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1. 12:06 AM - Re: It Flew! Cooling. (Comp User)
2. 01:09 AM - Re: It Flew! Cooling. (John Anderson)
3. 05:05 AM - Re: It Flew! Cooling. (Bradley M Webb)
4. 07:47 AM - bounced messages (Lowell Fitt)
5. 08:27 AM - Re: bounced messages (Don Pearsall)
6. 08:42 AM - Re: bounced messages (Brett Walmsley)
7. 10:32 AM - Re: It Flew! Cooling. (Comp User)
8. 10:46 AM - Re: bounced messages (paul nightingale)
9. 11:56 AM - Re: bounced messages (Don Pearsall)
10. 01:57 PM - Re: bounced messages (Norm Beauchamp)
11. 02:44 PM - New member (debrun26@juno.com)
12. 03:24 PM - Re: Skystar? (Rex Shaw)
13. 03:38 PM - Re: New member (wingsdown)
14. 03:46 PM - Re: New member (Clint Bazzill)
15. 03:52 PM - Re: New Member (wingnut)
16. 03:54 PM - Re: Skystar? (jdmcbean)
17. 03:59 PM - Subject: Re: New member (wingsdown)
18. 03:59 PM - Re: Price of 912S (jdmcbean)
19. 04:01 PM - Re: New Member (wingnut)
20. 04:02 PM - Re: It Flew! (jdmcbean)
21. 04:06 PM - Skystar (Rex Shaw)
22. 04:07 PM - How much Polyfiber needed (Graeme Toft)
23. 04:34 PM - Covering wings (Graeme Toft)
24. 05:00 PM - Re: Re: New Member (Jimmie Blackwell)
25. 05:02 PM - Re: How much Polyfiber needed (Alan & Linda Daniels)
26. 05:32 PM - Re: It Flew! (John Anderson)
27. 05:33 PM - Re: Skystar? (John Anderson)
28. 05:40 PM - Re: It Flew! Cooling. (John Anderson)
29. 05:52 PM - Re: Skystar? (Clem Nichols)
30. 05:54 PM - Re: How much Polyfiber needed (Graeme Toft)
31. 05:54 PM - Doubling up (Graeme Toft)
32. 06:13 PM - Re: Re: New Member (kirk hull)
33. 06:25 PM - Ignition Modules (Kirk Martenson)
34. 06:29 PM - Re: Skystar? (Donna and Roger McConnell)
35. 06:40 PM - Re: New member (Lowell Fitt)
36. 06:50 PM - Re: Ignition Modules (Herbert R Gottelt)
37. 06:59 PM - Re: Re: New Member (Lowell Fitt)
38. 08:00 PM - Re: New member (ron schick)
39. 08:03 PM - Re: How much Polyfiber needed (ron schick)
40. 08:43 PM - Re: How much Polyfiber needed (Guy Buchanan)
41. 08:48 PM - Am I the Only One Who gets this Not Delivered Error (Matt Dralle)
42. 10:08 PM - Re: Am I the Only One Who gets this Not Delivered Error (Don Pearsall)
43. 10:31 PM - Re: How much Polyfiber needed (Graeme Toft)
44. 10:42 PM - Precoat (Alan & Linda Daniels)
45. 11:09 PM - Re: Precoat (Graeme Toft)
46. 11:17 PM - Rib stitching (Graeme Toft)
47. 11:32 PM - Re: Rib stitching (John Anderson)
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| Subject: | Re: It Flew! Cooling. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Comp User" <trebla@directinter.net>
I messed up the download and the pics are in add ons and mods. I built the
cowl out of aluminum and foam.
Albert Smith
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| Subject: | Re: It Flew! Cooling. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson" <janderson412@hotmail.com>
Thant's an aluminium radiator is it Albert? John
From: "Comp User" <trebla@directinter.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: It Flew! Cooling.
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Comp User" <trebla@directinter.net>
That one will not work. The aluminum one is twice as large. I like the way
you did your cowl. I was to far in by that time and the cooling was very big
problem. I just had to calc. frontal area and exit area and built some cowls
around the radiators. If I had to do it again and knew now what I do I would
put in what you did. You will need to move a lot of air and get rid of the
turbo and exhaust heat inside the cowl best you can. I will look around for
some pics of my mess that finally worked so far and put them on sportflight.
Albert
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| Subject: | It Flew! Cooling. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bradley M Webb" <bmwebb@cox.net>
Yeah, it'll work out. Keep spending those brain bytes. You'll get a solution
before you know it.
BTW, congratulations.
Bradley
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Anderson
Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 10:56 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: It Flew! Cooling.
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson"
<janderson412@hotmail.com>
Thanks Bradley, I like your last. ("You're never done: you just stop working
on it.") Yes, I'm getting the feeling I'm just at the beginning, altho going
on the numbers, nearly there (I hope) John
From: "Bradley M Webb" <bmwebb@cox.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: It Flew! Cooling.
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bradley M Webb" <bmwebb@cox.net>
Having just gone through this cooling thing myself, I'll relate what I
learned (and it's the same thing anyone else will tell you). This process
will take several iterations before you get what you like. Make absolutely
sure that there are no air leaks in the cowl. This got me, and I'm still
fighting it. You might try playing with different exit scoop shapes, and see
if that helps.
Basically, ensure that whatever air goes in the cowling, goes through your
rads, and then out the exits. No place else.
I made a system work that a few told me wouldn't. It can be done. It just
requires that you revisit it with new ideas and attention to detail to get
it right.
Mine works, but I'm in the SDS position right now. I feel I'm right on the
edge of acceptable, and it can be better. Still working it out, little by
little.
"You're never done: you just stop working on it."
Bradley
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Anderson
Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 7:35 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: It Flew! Cooling.
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson"
<janderson412@hotmail.com>
Well, here's the first one. Getting a wee bit hot. Any of you NSI chaps on
the list still? I have the std NSI radiator and also an Earls heater
radiator hooked to the heater circuit and goes through the water to oil
cooler and turbo. Oil temp is good around 90degs C but water's getting to
110+ and looses a bit of coolant and the pressure drops (I have a 10 psi
pressure switch and light).I have an intake in the lower cowl and a plnum
leading back to the radiator.
I've read on the SOOB list that some of the early NSI radiators were
defective? Anyone heard of this problem? John A.
From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: It Flew!
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
John,
Your last comment reminded me of my reaction during the early hours. I
couldn't believe how well it flew. I still have those feelings from time to
time and I am definitely on a bit of a high after every flight and that
after a lot of flights.
Keep the reports coming.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Anderson" <janderson412@hotmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 11:16 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: It Flew!
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson"
> <janderson412@hotmail.com>
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> Thank you Torgeir, now my request for info from the list will prob begin
> again as the flight mysteries manifest. Gob-smacked thus far on how nice
> it
> flies tho. John
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> From: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: It Flew!
> Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 15:46:58 +0100
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen
<torgemor@online.no>
>
> Congratulation with first flight John!
>
> Now the fun begin.
>
> Cheers
>
> Torgeir.
>
> do not archive
>
>
> On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 21:05:22 +1300, John Anderson
> <janderson412@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson"
>><janderson412@hotmail.com>
>>
>>Well, another Kitfox left the ground today for the first time. My Series
>>5
>>TD ZK-RJA took to the air just 2 hours back and it flew like a DREAM!!
I
>>had to do a second circuit as I was so over the world I didn't sort of
>>take
>>it in...The engine being a self modified EA 81 Turbo EFI with own made
>>PSRU
>>was the mysterious bit but it went well too. So big check over tomorrow.
>>John A.
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| Subject: | bounced messages |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Twice this past week I have received messages that indicated that the
Matronics KF list has bounced back my posts because they recognized them as
SPAM.
The list has been very quiet of late. Has anyone else goten rejection
notices?
Incidentally, both posts were actually posted to the list, so nothing was
lost - just curious.
Lowell
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| Subject: | bounced messages |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
Hi Lowell,
As far as I know, all messages have been getting through OK. Did the spam
message come from the Matronics software, or from your ISP or some other
ISP? It is strange that the messages were marked as spam, but made it to the
list.
I can try to investigate if you send me the message you got back.
Don Pearsall, List Admin.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt
Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 7:43 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: bounced messages
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Twice this past week I have received messages that indicated that the
Matronics KF list has bounced back my posts because they recognized them as
SPAM.
The list has been very quiet of late. Has anyone else goten rejection
notices?
Incidentally, both posts were actually posted to the list, so nothing was
lost - just curious.
Lowell
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| Subject: | Re: bounced messages |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brett Walmsley" <n93hj@numail.org>
I had the same thing happen.
Message bouced back, but was posted.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 11:24 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: bounced messages
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall"
> <donpearsall@comcast.net>
>
> Hi Lowell,
> As far as I know, all messages have been getting through OK. Did the spam
> message come from the Matronics software, or from your ISP or some other
> ISP? It is strange that the messages were marked as spam, but made it to
> the
> list.
>
> I can try to investigate if you send me the message you got back.
>
> Don Pearsall, List Admin.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt
> Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 7:43 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: bounced messages
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Twice this past week I have received messages that indicated that the
> Matronics KF list has bounced back my posts because they recognized them
> as
> SPAM.
>
> The list has been very quiet of late. Has anyone else goten rejection
> notices?
>
> Incidentally, both posts were actually posted to the list, so nothing was
> lost - just curious.
>
> Lowell
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: It Flew! Cooling. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Comp User" <trebla@directinter.net>
Yes it is. I was sent the standard one first, which I still have. Before I
installed the firewall forward NSI sent the much larger aluminum one. NSI
also failed to mention that it would need an oil cooler. That was added
later with a remote oilfilter, that also gets air flow over it. I have no
thermostate on the oil system. It runs through the radiator all the time.
Albert
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| Subject: | Re: bounced messages |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "paul nightingale" <paul.nightingale@ntlworld.com>
Lowell i got two rejection notices on the bankruptcy post i put up then ten
minutes after they appeared -- strange ??
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 3:43 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: bounced messages
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Twice this past week I have received messages that indicated that the
> Matronics KF list has bounced back my posts because they recognized them
as
> SPAM.
>
> The list has been very quiet of late. Has anyone else goten rejection
> notices?
>
> Incidentally, both posts were actually posted to the list, so nothing was
> lost - just curious.
>
> Lowell
>
>
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| Subject: | bounced messages |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
Actually I think that the spam messages are coming from someone's ISP on the
list. I don't think it is the Matronics email software doing it. When you
send an email to the KF list, the Matronics list software then re-emails the
message out to the list of members. Then some ISP (or junk email software on
your computer) processing the email for the person on the list sees the
email as spam or junk email and parses the sender's email address and sends
the "you are sending spam" message back to the sender.
Some of the ISPs are using really lame spam filters and see key words as
spam. Legitimate messages never get sent to the right recipient.
Anyway, I will try to find out who on the list is sending these messages.
Could everyone please look in their spam or junk email folders and see if
there are KF list messages in there. If there is, you need to contact your
ISP or configure your anti-spam software to accept messages from
matronics.com
Don Pearsall
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of paul
nightingale
Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 10:46 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: bounced messages
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "paul nightingale"
<paul.nightingale@ntlworld.com>
Lowell i got two rejection notices on the bankruptcy post i put up then ten
minutes after they appeared -- strange ??
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 3:43 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: bounced messages
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Twice this past week I have received messages that indicated that the
> Matronics KF list has bounced back my posts because they recognized them
as
> SPAM.
>
> The list has been very quiet of late. Has anyone else goten rejection
> notices?
>
> Incidentally, both posts were actually posted to the list, so nothing was
> lost - just curious.
>
> Lowell
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: bounced messages |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Norm Beauchamp <nebchmp@wcc.net>
Don,
I don't know if this has any thing to do with the spam messages. I had
noticed I wasn't receiving any of Lowells messages to the list. Last
weekend I sent a trouble report to Matt telling him of the problem.
I then sent a personnel message to Lowell to which Lowell responded.
I'm still not getting Lowells post to the list. The same thing was
happening to Kurt's messages for quite some time, but that has cleared up.
In all probability, not related to the spam problem. Just thought I'd
mention it. Norm.
Don Pearsall wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
>
>Actually I think that the spam messages are coming from someone's ISP on the
>list. I don't think it is the Matronics email software doing it. When you
>send an email to the KF list, the Matronics list software then re-emails the
>message out to the list of members. Then some ISP (or junk email software on
>your computer) processing the email for the person on the list sees the
>email as spam or junk email and parses the sender's email address and sends
>the "you are sending spam" message back to the sender.
>
>Some of the ISPs are using really lame spam filters and see key words as
>spam. Legitimate messages never get sent to the right recipient.
>
>Anyway, I will try to find out who on the list is sending these messages.
>
>Could everyone please look in their spam or junk email folders and see if
>there are KF list messages in there. If there is, you need to contact your
>ISP or configure your anti-spam software to accept messages from
>matronics.com
>
>Don Pearsall
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "debrun26@juno.com" <debrun26@juno.com>
I am still looking at possible options to buying a kitfox to learn to fly in as
a sport pilot and then a private pilot. What are the options of engines for
a KitfoxIV and aproximate cruising speeds of each. I have been looking at a KF4
hear in Alaska with a 912ul with cruise speed of 85mph. There are a couple
places I'd like to go on a regular basis that would be 400 air miles away and
I would prefer to be going 100-110 mph. What is the recomended top speed for
the KF frame or is there such a recomendation. Also is the KF strong enough
to do light aerobatics? I have a friend here in AK that would take a week off
and fly a KF back up here with me if I found one for sale in the lower 48 states.
How would I find one? Thanks, Layne in Alaska
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I am still looking at possible options to buying a kitfox to learn to fly in as
a sport pilot and then a private pilot. What are the options of engines for a
KitfoxIV and aproximate cruising speeds of each. I have been looking at a KF4
hear in Alaska with a 912ul with cruise speed of 85mph. There are a couple places
I'd like to go on a regular basis that would be 400 air miles away and I
would prefer to be going 100-110 mph. What is the recomended top speed for the
KF frame or is there such a recomendation. Also is the KF strong enough to do
light aerobatics?I have a friend here in AK that would take a week off and fly
a KF back up here with me if I found one for sale in the lower48 states. How
would I findone? Thanks,Layne in Alaska
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
Well I have no idea and did not want to mention it on list but I guess now it's
coming out. A few days ago I was looking on the Lazair site and it looked like
this was the case. Take a look.
Rex.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingsdown" <wingsdown@comcast.net>
I would suggest to learn and get your ticket in the same aircraft. Then
buy the kitfox and get some dual time and an endorsement.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
debrun26@juno.com
Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 2:40 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: New member
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "debrun26@juno.com"
--> <debrun26@juno.com>
I am still looking at possible options to buying a kitfox to learn to
fly in as a sport pilot and then a private pilot. What are the options
of engines for a KitfoxIV and aproximate cruising speeds of each. I
have been looking at a KF4 hear in Alaska with a 912ul with cruise speed
of 85mph. There are a couple places I'd like to go on a regular basis
that would be 400 air miles away and I would prefer to be going 100-110
mph. What is the recomended top speed for the KF frame or is there such
a recomendation. Also is the KF strong enough to do light aerobatics? I
have a friend here in AK that would take a week off and fly a KF back up
here with me if I found one for sale in the lower 48 states. How would
I find one? Thanks, Layne in Alaska
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I am still looking at possible options to buying a kitfox to learn to
fly in as a sport pilot and then a private pilot. What are the options
of engines for a KitfoxIV and aproximate cruising speeds of each. I have
been looking at a KF4 hear in Alaska with a 912ul with cruise speed of
85mph. There are a couple places I'd like to go on a regular basis that
would be 400 air miles away and I would prefer to be going 100-110 mph.
What is the recomended top speed for the KF frame or is there such a
recomendation. Also is the KF strong enough to do light aerobatics?I
have a friend here in AK that would take a week off and fly a KF back up
here with me if I found one for sale in the lower48 states. How would I
findone? Thanks,Layne in Alaska
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clint Bazzill" <clint_bazzill@hotmail.com>
The Model IV cruises faster then that. Clint
From: "debrun26@juno.com" <debrun26@juno.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: New member
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "debrun26@juno.com" <debrun26@juno.com>
I am still looking at possible options to buying a kitfox to learn to fly in
as a sport pilot and then a private pilot. What are the options of engines
for a KitfoxIV and aproximate cruising speeds of each. I have been looking
at a KF4 hear in Alaska with a 912ul with cruise speed of 85mph. There are
a couple places I'd like to go on a regular basis that would be 400 air
miles away and I would prefer to be going 100-110 mph. What is the
recomended top speed for the KF frame or is there such a recomendation.
Also is the KF strong enough to do light aerobatics? I have a friend here in
AK that would take a week off and fly a KF back up here with me if I found
one for sale in the lower 48 states. How would I find one? Thanks, Layne
in Alaska
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I am still looking at possible options to buying a kitfox to learn to fly in
as a sport pilot and then a private pilot. What are the options of engines
for a KitfoxIV and aproximate cruising speeds of each. I have been looking
at a KF4 hear in Alaska with a 912ul with cruise speed of 85mph. There are a
couple places I'd like to go on a regular basis that would be 400 air miles
away and I would prefer to be going 100-110 mph. What is the recomended top
speed for the KF frame or is there such a recomendation. Also is the KF
strong enough to do light aerobatics?I have a friend here in AK that would
take a week off and fly a KF back up here with me if I found one for sale in
the lower48 states. How would I findone? Thanks,Layne in Alaska
Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month!
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
110mph is attainable for a model IV with a 912UL. I have that very combination
and I can get 115. I do have an IVO prop but large draggy tundra tires with no
pants. I can still get better than 105 with the prop configured for 5400rpm at
takeoff (which gives me 95% peek takeoff power). If the one you're looking at
cruises at 85, I would guess that it's missing many or all of the common drag
reducing accessories.
Engine options include but are not limited to: Rotax 582, 912ul/s, VW and Subaru
E81 conversions. Perfomance wise, it's hard to top the 912s in terms of power
to weight with reasonable reliability. The Subaru EA81 seems be popular. It
puts out as much or more power but is heavier. The couple that I've seen performance
numbers for didn't do nearly as well as mine.
The KF is not rated for aerobatics but I understand that people do it. Seem crazy
to me but then I'm just a student pilot :-)
I found my Kitfox on barnstormers.com. I bought it sight unseen and the original
owner flew it across the country for the price of fuel and a return ticket home.
If I were single, I would have flown to Washington to fly back to Virginia
with him.
> What are the options of engines for a KitfoxIV and aproximate cruising speeds
of each. I have been looking at a KF4 hear in Alaska with a 912ul with cruise
speed of 85mph. There are a couple places I'd like to go on a regular basis that
would be 400 air miles away and I would prefer to be going 100-110 mph. What
is the recomended top speed for the KF frame or is there such a recomendation.
Also is the KF strong enough to do light aerobatics? I have a friend here
in AK that would take a week off and fly a KF back up here with me if I found
one for sale in the lower 48 states. How would I find one? Thanks, Layne in Alaska
>
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=22699#22699
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Good Morning,
OK guys... It's true. We placed a bid on the Kitfox assets and it has been
accepted. It's not done yet.. But we'll let you know.
If you have any questions please feel free to email us directly.
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
Flybradair@cs.com
Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 7:59 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Skystar?
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Flybradair@cs.com
Sure are some rumors out there.
If it is true that John and Debra McBean are in the running to purchase
Skystar---this could be the best news that we have heard in a while.
John, could you give us any info?
Say its true!
Brad Martin
Wichita
232WB
5-lyc o-235
41 hours
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingsdown" <wingsdown@comcast.net>
I would suggest to learn and get your ticket in the same aircraft. Then
buy the kitfox and get some dual time and an endorsement.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
debrun26@juno.com
Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 2:40 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: New member
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "debrun26@juno.com"
--> <debrun26@juno.com>
I am still looking at possible options to buying a kitfox to learn to
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
As an Rotax OEM and just ordered several 912 ULS engines I can assure you
that is not correct for the 912 ULS... The current 912 ULS pricing is
$14353.00
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Don McIntosh
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 9:00 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Price of 912S
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don McIntosh"
<don@contractorsnorthwest.com>
Did everyone notice in the latest KITPLANES that the price of the 912S is
now $24,000.00? WOW! They really DO love that engine. I first thought it
was a typo until I read the editors column and he mentioned it also with the
comment "What are they thinking?" I bet there are a lot of unhappy people
and manufacturers out there.
Don McIntosh
Contractors Northwest, Inc.
3731 Ramsey Road
Coeur d'Alene, ID 83815
t. 208-667-2456
f. 208-667-6388
don@contractorsnorthwest.com
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
At the risk of being ostracized, I just wanted to re-iterate that I think there
are better options than a Kitfox if you want to learn to fly on a budget. You
can get an old 152 for half the price. The sedate handeling will get you through
your training faster, insructors are easier to come by, insurance will not
burn a hole in your wallet and when you're done, you can sell it for about what
you paid. Then, you can transition to the Kitfox and you'll be proficient
in two airplanes. A win, win in my book.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=22705#22705
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
John,
Congrats !! It is a great feeling...
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John Anderson
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 1:05 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: It Flew!
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson"
<janderson412@hotmail.com>
Well, another Kitfox left the ground today for the first time. My Series 5
TD ZK-RJA took to the air just 2 hours back and it flew like a DREAM!! I
had to do a second circuit as I was so over the world I didn't sort of take
it in...The engine being a self modified EA 81 Turbo EFI with own made PSRU
was the mysterious bit but it went well too. So big check over tomorrow.
John A.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
Kitfox-List message posted by: Flybradair@cs.com
Sure are some rumors out there.
If it is true that John and Debra McBean are in the running to purchase
Skystar---this could be the best news that we have heard in a while.
John, could you give us any info?
Say its true!
Brad Martin
Wichita
232WB
5-lyc o-235
41 hours
Well I have no idea. I didn't like to comment on list before but a few days ago
I was reading on the Lazair site and it seemed to be the case to me.
Take a look. www.lazair.com and go to Skystar files etc then to forum.
Rex.
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| Subject: | How much Polyfiber needed |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
Hi Guys, I have just received the Polyfiber catalogue in the mail and am wading
through the things I will and wont need. As Im only recovering the wings can
I get some advise from those of you who have recovered yours as Im not sure how
much of each product I will need. The quantities that I have roughly estimated
are; 1 quart Poly-Tak, 1 gallon Poly-Brush, 1 quart Poly-Spray, 2 quarts Poly-Tone.
Also 3", 2" and 1" tape for leading and trailing edges and false ribs.
Someone mentioned on the list just recently that its a good idea to order 50%
more than estimated. Is this really necessary?.
Thanks guys
Graeme
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
Hi Guys, I have just received the Polyfiber catalogue in the mail and am wading
through the things I will and wont need. As Im only recovering the wings can
I get some advise from those of you who have recovered yours as Im not sure how
much of each product I will need. The quantities that I have roughly estimated
are; 1 quart Poly-Tak, 1 gallon Poly-Brush, 1 quart Poly-Spray, 2 quarts Poly-Tone.
Also 3", 2" and 1" tape for leading and trailing edges and false ribs.
Someone mentioned on the list just recently that its a good idea to order 50%
more than estimated. Is this really necessary?.
Thanks guys
Graeme
Graeme Toft
Queensland Safety Solutions
Ph: 07 49397011
Mob: 0411476527
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jimmie Blackwell <jimmieblackwell@sbcglobal.net>
I get 115 mph cruise from my Model IV Speedster with 912 UL and IVO ground adjustable
prop. Expecting to get more when I get the wheel pants installed.
Jimmie
wingnut <wingnut@spamarrest.com> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut"
110mph is attainable for a model IV with a 912UL. I have that very combination
and I can get 115. I do have an IVO prop but large draggy tundra tires with no
pants. I can still get better than 105 with the prop configured for 5400rpm at
takeoff (which gives me 95% peek takeoff power). If the one you're looking at
cruises at 85, I would guess that it's missing many or all of the common drag
reducing accessories.
Engine options include but are not limited to: Rotax 582, 912ul/s, VW and Subaru
E81 conversions. Perfomance wise, it's hard to top the 912s in terms of power
to weight with reasonable reliability. The Subaru EA81 seems be popular. It
puts out as much or more power but is heavier. The couple that I've seen performance
numbers for didn't do nearly as well as mine.
The KF is not rated for aerobatics but I understand that people do it. Seem crazy
to me but then I'm just a student pilot :-)
I found my Kitfox on barnstormers.com. I bought it sight unseen and the original
owner flew it across the country for the price of fuel and a return ticket home.
If I were single, I would have flown to Washington to fly back to Virginia
with him.
> What are the options of engines for a KitfoxIV and aproximate cruising speeds
of each. I have been looking at a KF4 hear in Alaska with a 912ul with cruise
speed of 85mph. There are a couple places I'd like to go on a regular basis that
would be 400 air miles away and I would prefer to be going 100-110 mph. What
is the recomended top speed for the KF frame or is there such a recomendation.
Also is the KF strong enough to do light aerobatics? I have a friend here
in AK that would take a week off and fly a KF back up here with me if I found
one for sale in the lower 48 states. How would I find one? Thanks, Layne in Alaska
>
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=22699#22699
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| Subject: | Re: How much Polyfiber needed |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
Your going to be short. I figure a gallon of brush, spray and paint per
wing, and a gallon of each for the fuselage. That will not fill the
weave but will give you good protection and a nice looking paint. You
might not use every last bit, but you will come close. Skystar used to
provide 5 gallons of Poly-spray for the entire plane, and I usually used
about 4. You will use a little less than a quart of Tak per wing if you
pre coat, which I believe in, but one for both will come up short. I
think that the most important part of a good paint job is the
poly-brush. You can iron out any brush marks on the first coat only,
after that you have to wipe out bad spots with MEK and start over. The
poly spray you can sand, and the paint shows everything under it. Brush
marks left in the poly brush will always show. The Polyfiber line is MEK
based. Take the precautions seriously. It is good stuff and safe if you
do, but it will do you all sorts of no good if you do not. I like
invisible glove, lots of ventilation and a good organic solvents mask
when spraying.
Try and find a local dealer for Polyfiber products. The hazardous
shipping expense is nuts. They get it truck shipped and a you don't have
to pay the add on expense.
Graeme Toft wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
>
>Hi Guys, I have just received the Polyfiber catalogue in the mail and am wading
through the things I will and wont need. As Im only recovering the wings can
I get some advise from those of you who have recovered yours as Im not sure how
much of each product I will need. The quantities that I have roughly estimated
are; 1 quart Poly-Tak, 1 gallon Poly-Brush, 1 quart Poly-Spray, 2 quarts
Poly-Tone. Also 3", 2" and 1" tape for leading and trailing edges and false ribs.
Someone mentioned on the list just recently that its a good idea to order
50% more than estimated. Is this really necessary?.
>
>Thanks guys
>
>Graeme
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson" <janderson412@hotmail.com>
Thank you kindly John and Lynda, yes it sure is that (great feeling) and
yes, after many years in aviation, one learns to keep the guard up and not
let the euphoria of such a wonderful experience cloud ones better judgment.
John A.
From: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: It Flew!
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
John,
Congrats !! It is a great feeling...
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John Anderson
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 1:05 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: It Flew!
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson"
<janderson412@hotmail.com>
Well, another Kitfox left the ground today for the first time. My Series 5
TD ZK-RJA took to the air just 2 hours back and it flew like a DREAM!! I
had to do a second circuit as I was so over the world I didn't sort of take
it in...The engine being a self modified EA 81 Turbo EFI with own made PSRU
was the mysterious bit but it went well too. So big check over tomorrow.
John A.
Check out the latest video @ http://xtra.co.nz/streaming
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson" <janderson412@hotmail.com>
WELL, that's the best news since sliced brea.......Good Luck with the deal
John.
From: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Skystar?
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Good Morning,
OK guys... It's true. We placed a bid on the Kitfox assets and it has been
accepted. It's not done yet.. But we'll let you know.
If you have any questions please feel free to email us directly.
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
Flybradair@cs.com
Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 7:59 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Skystar?
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Flybradair@cs.com
Sure are some rumors out there.
If it is true that John and Debra McBean are in the running to purchase
Skystar---this could be the best news that we have heard in a while.
John, could you give us any info?
Say its true!
Brad Martin
Wichita
232WB
5-lyc o-235
41 hours
Need more speed? Get Xtra Broadband @
http://jetstream.xtra.co.nz/chm/0,,202853-1000,00.html
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| Subject: | Re: It Flew! Cooling. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson" <janderson412@hotmail.com>
Albert, I have an oil to water cooler and an extra small cooling radiator
plus the oil sump has cooling pipes and fins and sees an airflow. Oil temp
is good, but I think I might need that larger main radiator. John
From: "Comp User" <trebla@directinter.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: It Flew! Cooling.
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Comp User" <trebla@directinter.net>
Yes it is. I was sent the standard one first, which I still have. Before I
installed the firewall forward NSI sent the much larger aluminum one. NSI
also failed to mention that it would need an oil cooler. That was added
later with a remote oilfilter, that also gets air flow over it. I have no
thermostate on the oil system. It runs through the radiator all the time.
Albert
Need more speed? Get Xtra Broadband @
http://jetstream.xtra.co.nz/chm/0,,202853-1000,00.html
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clem Nichols" <cnichols@scrtc.com>
John:
That's great news. Hopefully you'll be telling us soon that it's a done
deal.
Clem Nichols
Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 5:54 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Skystar?
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
>
> Good Morning,
>
> OK guys... It's true. We placed a bid on the Kitfox assets and it has
> been
> accepted. It's not done yet.. But we'll let you know.
>
> If you have any questions please feel free to email us directly.
>
>
> Fly Safe !!
> John & Debra McBean
> www.sportplanellc.com
> "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> Flybradair@cs.com
> Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 7:59 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Skystar?
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Flybradair@cs.com
>
> Sure are some rumors out there.
>
> If it is true that John and Debra McBean are in the running to purchase
> Skystar---this could be the best news that we have heard in a while.
>
> John, could you give us any info?
>
> Say its true!
>
> Brad Martin
> Wichita
> 232WB
> 5-lyc o-235
> 41 hours
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: How much Polyfiber needed |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
Great advise Allan, thats exactly the type of info I need at this point. I
really thought the paint would go further when diluted with Reducer. This
stuff is to expensive to make mistakes. Im not sure what you mean by
"pre-coat", before applying the Tak. Can you explain this point further?.
Regards
Graeme
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan & Linda Daniels" <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 11:01 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: How much Polyfiber needed
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels
> <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
>
> Your going to be short. I figure a gallon of brush, spray and paint per
> wing, and a gallon of each for the fuselage. That will not fill the
> weave but will give you good protection and a nice looking paint. You
> might not use every last bit, but you will come close. Skystar used to
> provide 5 gallons of Poly-spray for the entire plane, and I usually used
> about 4. You will use a little less than a quart of Tak per wing if you
> pre coat, which I believe in, but one for both will come up short. I
> think that the most important part of a good paint job is the
> poly-brush. You can iron out any brush marks on the first coat only,
> after that you have to wipe out bad spots with MEK and start over. The
> poly spray you can sand, and the paint shows everything under it. Brush
> marks left in the poly brush will always show. The Polyfiber line is MEK
> based. Take the precautions seriously. It is good stuff and safe if you
> do, but it will do you all sorts of no good if you do not. I like
> invisible glove, lots of ventilation and a good organic solvents mask
> when spraying.
>
> Try and find a local dealer for Polyfiber products. The hazardous
> shipping expense is nuts. They get it truck shipped and a you don't have
> to pay the add on expense.
>
> Graeme Toft wrote:
>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
>>
>>Hi Guys, I have just received the Polyfiber catalogue in the mail and am
>>wading through the things I will and wont need. As Im only recovering the
>>wings can I get some advise from those of you who have recovered yours as
>>Im not sure how much of each product I will need. The quantities that I
>>have roughly estimated are; 1 quart Poly-Tak, 1 gallon Poly-Brush, 1 quart
>>Poly-Spray, 2 quarts Poly-Tone. Also 3", 2" and 1" tape for leading and
>>trailing edges and false ribs. Someone mentioned on the list just recently
>>that its a good idea to order 50% more than estimated. Is this really
>>necessary?.
>>
>>Thanks guys
>>
>>Graeme
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
Sorry guys for doubling up with the email on Polyfiber but the first one came back
saying it had bounced. I changed the header thinking the server was looking
at the email as promotional material.
Cheers
Do not archive.
Graeme
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kirk hull" <kirkhull@sbcglobal.net>
I have just finished a IV with an ea81 installed. It should fly soon, I am
just waiting on the paperwork. I was wondering what the horse power was on
the 912 and the empty weight of a fox with one installed. N205AK is 730 lb
with 100 HP. I was hoping to get some prelim. # before the first flight
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jimmie
Blackwell
Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 6:59 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: New Member
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jimmie Blackwell
<jimmieblackwell@sbcglobal.net>
I get 115 mph cruise from my Model IV Speedster with 912 UL and IVO ground
adjustable prop. Expecting to get more when I get the wheel pants
installed.
Jimmie
wingnut <wingnut@spamarrest.com> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut"
110mph is attainable for a model IV with a 912UL. I have that very
combination and I can get 115. I do have an IVO prop but large draggy tundra
tires with no pants. I can still get better than 105 with the prop
configured for 5400rpm at takeoff (which gives me 95% peek takeoff power).
If the one you're looking at cruises at 85, I would guess that it's missing
many or all of the common drag reducing accessories.
Engine options include but are not limited to: Rotax 582, 912ul/s, VW and
Subaru E81 conversions. Perfomance wise, it's hard to top the 912s in terms
of power to weight with reasonable reliability. The Subaru EA81 seems be
popular. It puts out as much or more power but is heavier. The couple that
I've seen performance numbers for didn't do nearly as well as mine.
The KF is not rated for aerobatics but I understand that people do it. Seem
crazy to me but then I'm just a student pilot :-)
I found my Kitfox on barnstormers.com. I bought it sight unseen and the
original owner flew it across the country for the price of fuel and a return
ticket home. If I were single, I would have flown to Washington to fly back
to Virginia with him.
> What are the options of engines for a KitfoxIV and aproximate cruising
speeds of each. I have been looking at a KF4 hear in Alaska with a 912ul
with cruise speed of 85mph. There are a couple places I'd like to go on a
regular basis that would be 400 air miles away and I would prefer to be
going 100-110 mph. What is the recomended top speed for the KF frame or is
there such a recomendation. Also is the KF strong enough to do light
aerobatics? I have a friend here in AK that would take a week off and fly a
KF back up here with me if I found one for sale in the lower 48 states. How
would I find one? Thanks, Layne in Alaska
>
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=22699#22699
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| Subject: | Ignition Modules |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kirk Martenson" <kirk@mninter.net>
Hello:
I have a Rotax 912 UL that has a steadily dropping side B ignition. It has been
getting worse over two years, and now the B side drops about 250 to 300 rpm when
I shut off the A side. I did all the swapping of red wires from the stator
and the trigger wires were switched. All the tests point to the module. I have
heard from everyone that the module either works, or it doesn't. Is this the
case, or can a module slowly get worse?
I don't want to buy a module, and find that this is not the problem. This is a
non-returnable item.
Thanks,
Kirk Martenson
Classic IV 912 UL
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Donna and Roger McConnell" <rdmac@swbell.net>
John and Debra,
Congrats, I can't think of a better choice than you two guys owning
and selling the Kitfox line of aircraft. This is nothing but a win win for
everyone who owns a Kitfox or is contemplating ownership. OK I'll shut up
now. I'm starting to sound like a commercial. Again congratulations.
Roger Mac
N619RM
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jdmcbean
Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 5:55 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Skystar?
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Good Morning,
OK guys... It's true. We placed a bid on the Kitfox assets and it has been
accepted. It's not done yet.. But we'll let you know.
If you have any questions please feel free to email us directly.
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
Flybradair@cs.com
Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 7:59 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Skystar?
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Flybradair@cs.com
Sure are some rumors out there.
If it is true that John and Debra McBean are in the running to purchase
Skystar---this could be the best news that we have heard in a while.
John, could you give us any info?
Say its true!
Brad Martin
Wichita
232WB
5-lyc o-235
41 hours
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Layne,
I think it is a great idea, especially if you plan on saving a buck early
and go for the Sport Pilot initially. There were no Kitfoxes around when I
learned to fly, but I bought a half interest in a Cessna 170B and learned to
fly in that.
Others have commented on the performance and I agree with them. I can
cruise at close to 115, but have lots of fairings. I have put 5 or 6
hundered miles on it in a day several times.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: <debrun26@juno.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 2:40 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: New member
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "debrun26@juno.com" <debrun26@juno.com>
>
> I am still looking at possible options to buying a kitfox to learn to fly
> in as a sport pilot and then a private pilot. What are the options of
> engines for a KitfoxIV and aproximate cruising speeds of each. I have
> been looking at a KF4 hear in Alaska with a 912ul with cruise speed of
> 85mph. There are a couple places I'd like to go on a regular basis that
> would be 400 air miles away and I would prefer to be going 100-110 mph.
> What is the recomended top speed for the KF frame or is there such a
> recomendation. Also is the KF strong enough to do light aerobatics? I
> have a friend here in AK that would take a week off and fly a KF back up
> here with me if I found one for sale in the lower 48 states. How would I
> find one? Thanks, Layne in Alaska
>
>
> Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month!
>
>
> I am still looking at possible options to buying a kitfox to learn to fly
> in as a sport pilot and then a private pilot. What are the options of
> engines for a KitfoxIV and aproximate cruising speeds of each. I have been
> looking at a KF4 hear in Alaska with a 912ul with cruise speed of 85mph.
> There are a couple places I'd like to go on a regular basis that would be
> 400 air miles away and I would prefer to be going 100-110 mph. What is the
> recomended top speed for the KF frame or is there such a recomendation.
> Also is the KF strong enough to do light aerobatics?I have a friend here
> in AK that would take a week off and fly a KF back up here with me if I
> found one for sale in the lower48 states. How would I findone?
> Thanks,Layne in Alaska
>
>
> Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month!
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Ignition Modules |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Herbert R Gottelt <gofalke@sbcglobal.net>
Kirk,
the problem may be in your corresponding ignition wires from that module, as
the wires go into the angled sparkplug holders (forgot what they are called).
I had a similar problem. Unscrew the ignition wire from the angled plug holder.
Cut 3/16" off the end and screw it back together, using some die-electric grease.
I had a high resistance from corrosion at that junction. That cured my problem.
Herbert Gottelt, M4-1200, 912UL
Mt. Prospect, IL
Kirk Martenson <kirk@mninter.net> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kirk Martenson"
Hello:
I have a Rotax 912 UL that has a steadily dropping side B ignition. It has been
getting worse over two years, and now the B side drops about 250 to 300 rpm when
I shut off the A side. I did all the swapping of red wires from the stator
and the trigger wires were switched. All the tests point to the module. I have
heard from everyone that the module either works, or it doesn't. Is this the
case, or can a module slowly get worse?
I don't want to buy a module, and find that this is not the problem. This is a
non-returnable item.
Thanks,
Kirk Martenson
Classic IV 912 UL
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Kirk,
Mine came in at 704 lbs with the aluminum gear and lots of farinings. A
friend, Mark, has one that is exactly 100 lbs lighter than mine 604 with the
tube gear. Both with the 912 UL.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "kirk hull" <kirkhull@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 6:12 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: New Member
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kirk hull" <kirkhull@sbcglobal.net>
>
> I have just finished a IV with an ea81 installed. It should fly soon, I am
> just waiting on the paperwork. I was wondering what the horse power was
> on
> the 912 and the empty weight of a fox with one installed. N205AK is 730 lb
> with 100 HP. I was hoping to get some prelim. # before the first flight
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jimmie
> Blackwell
> Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 6:59 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: New Member
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jimmie Blackwell
> <jimmieblackwell@sbcglobal.net>
>
> I get 115 mph cruise from my Model IV Speedster with 912 UL and IVO ground
> adjustable prop. Expecting to get more when I get the wheel pants
> installed.
>
> Jimmie
>
> wingnut <wingnut@spamarrest.com> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut"
>
> 110mph is attainable for a model IV with a 912UL. I have that very
> combination and I can get 115. I do have an IVO prop but large draggy
> tundra
> tires with no pants. I can still get better than 105 with the prop
> configured for 5400rpm at takeoff (which gives me 95% peek takeoff power).
> If the one you're looking at cruises at 85, I would guess that it's
> missing
> many or all of the common drag reducing accessories.
>
> Engine options include but are not limited to: Rotax 582, 912ul/s, VW and
> Subaru E81 conversions. Perfomance wise, it's hard to top the 912s in
> terms
> of power to weight with reasonable reliability. The Subaru EA81 seems be
> popular. It puts out as much or more power but is heavier. The couple that
> I've seen performance numbers for didn't do nearly as well as mine.
>
> The KF is not rated for aerobatics but I understand that people do it.
> Seem
> crazy to me but then I'm just a student pilot :-)
>
> I found my Kitfox on barnstormers.com. I bought it sight unseen and the
> original owner flew it across the country for the price of fuel and a
> return
> ticket home. If I were single, I would have flown to Washington to fly
> back
> to Virginia with him.
>
>
>> What are the options of engines for a KitfoxIV and aproximate cruising
> speeds of each. I have been looking at a KF4 hear in Alaska with a 912ul
> with cruise speed of 85mph. There are a couple places I'd like to go on a
> regular basis that would be 400 air miles away and I would prefer to be
> going 100-110 mph. What is the recomended top speed for the KF frame or is
> there such a recomendation. Also is the KF strong enough to do light
> aerobatics? I have a friend here in AK that would take a week off and fly
> a
> KF back up here with me if I found one for sale in the lower 48 states.
> How
> would I find one? Thanks, Layne in Alaska
>>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=22699#22699
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
Layne you must not have seen the video by Jimmy Franklin to ask if the KF
can do aerobatics. On Lazair.com there is a video of the Skystar Speedster
doing everything I ever want to do. Some of the lighter models might not
take that though. Ron NB Ore
>From: "debrun26@juno.com" <debrun26@juno.com>
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kitfox-List: New member
>Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 22:40:26 GMT
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "debrun26@juno.com" <debrun26@juno.com>
>
>I am still looking at possible options to buying a kitfox to learn to fly
>in as a sport pilot and then a private pilot. What are the options of
>engines for a KitfoxIV and aproximate cruising speeds of each. I have been
>looking at a KF4 hear in Alaska with a 912ul with cruise speed of 85mph.
>There are a couple places I'd like to go on a regular basis that would be
>400 air miles away and I would prefer to be going 100-110 mph. What is the
>recomended top speed for the KF frame or is there such a recomendation.
>Also is the KF strong enough to do light aerobatics? I have a friend here
>in AK that would take a week off and fly a KF back up here with me if I
>found one for sale in the lower 48 states. How would I find one? Thanks,
>Layne in Alaska
>
>
>Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month!
>
>
>I am still looking at possible options to buying a kitfox to learn to fly
>in as a sport pilot and then a private pilot. What are the options of
>engines for a KitfoxIV and aproximate cruising speeds of each. I have been
>looking at a KF4 hear in Alaska with a 912ul with cruise speed of 85mph.
>There are a couple places I'd like to go on a regular basis that would be
>400 air miles away and I would prefer to be going 100-110 mph. What is the
>recomended top speed for the KF frame or is there such a recomendation.
>Also is the KF strong enough to do light aerobatics?I have a friend here in
>AK that would take a week off and fly a KF back up here with me if I found
>one for sale in the lower48 states. How would I findone? Thanks,Layne in
>Alaska
>
>
>Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month!
>
>
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| Subject: | How much Polyfiber needed |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
Depends Graeme. How many time are ya taking her swimming? Sorry...
Ron NB Ore do not archive
>From: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Kitfox-List: How much Polyfiber needed
>Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 10:07:35 +1000
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
>
>Hi Guys, I have just received the Polyfiber catalogue in the mail and am
>wading through the things I will and wont need. As Im only recovering the
>wings can I get some advise from those of you who have recovered yours as
>Im not sure how much of each product I will need. The quantities that I
>have roughly estimated are; 1 quart Poly-Tak, 1 gallon Poly-Brush, 1 quart
>Poly-Spray, 2 quarts Poly-Tone. Also 3", 2" and 1" tape for leading and
>trailing edges and false ribs. Someone mentioned on the list just recently
>that its a good idea to order 50% more than estimated. Is this really
>necessary?.
>
>Thanks guys
>
>Graeme
>
>
http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/
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| Subject: | How much Polyfiber needed |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
At 08:03 PM 3/19/2006, you wrote:
>Someone mentioned on the list just recently
> >that its a good idea to order 50% more than estimated. Is this really
> >necessary?.
> >
> >Thanks guys
> >
> >Graeme
Sorry Graeme! Just saw this. The 50% was sort of a joke. (See winky
face.) However in my experience you'd be surprised how often it's true. I
definitely wouldn't buy less than 25% more than I estimated.
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Am I the Only One Who gets this Not Delivered Error |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
All,
I am aware of this issue. These messages are *not* coming from Matronics. They
are coming from someone subscribed to the Pietenpol-List (and a number of others,
such as the Kitfox-list and Kolb-List) and who has some Spam filtering software
mis-configured. The problem I'm having is that my posts to the List don't
seem to cause me to get one of the bounces.
I need to dissect in detail the full headers of one of these messages to determine
(hopefully) where they are actually coming from. If someone that has received
one of these could forward me a complete copy of the message including all
of the headers (in Unix email format with all of the "Received: " lines intact),
hopefully I can get this guy removed from the List.
Sorry for the hassle,
Matt Dralle
Matronics List Admin
At 08:31 PM 3/19/2006 Sunday, Catdesign wrote:
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Catdesign" <catdesign@intergate.com>
>
>Yep that's the thing I keep getting. I'll send an email to Matt and see what's
going on.
>
>Chris Tracy
>Sacramento, Ca
>Do Not Archive
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Vought" <carbarvo@knology.net>
>To: "Pietenpol- List" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 5:27 PM
>Subject: Fw: NOT DELIVERED - To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> - Subject: Re:
Pietenpol-List: Am I the Only One Who gets this Not Delivered Error
>
>
>>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Carl Vought" <carbarvo@knology.net>
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: <carbarvo@knology.net>
>>To: <carbarvo@knology.net>
>>Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 3:26 PM
>>Subject: NOT DELIVERED - To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> - Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List:
Am I the Only One Who gets this Not Delivered Error
>>
>>
>>>The message you sent was regarded as junk e-mail by the recipient's email server.
>>>
>>>To help ensure delivery make sure you are on the recipient's known address list.
>>>
>>>Thank You.
>>>
>>>Original Message Contained:
>>>
>>>
>>>YEP...Happened to me a couple of days ago when I attached a picture of Lowell
Frank's Warner powered Piet to my posting. The posting made it, but I got the
"no delivery" notice..Carl Vought
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: Catdesign
>>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 2:54 PM
>>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Am I the Only One Who gets this Not Delivered Error
>>>
>>>
>>> Lately, when I post to the list I get a NOT DELIVERED email message saying
the message I just sent was undeliverable but I know it is making it to the list.
Anyone else have this happening?
>>>
>>> Chris Tracy
>>> Sacramento, Ca
>>>
>>> Do not archive
>>>
>>>[[HTML Version removed]]
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| Subject: | Am I the Only One Who gets this Not Delivered Error |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
I sent Matt some of the bounced messages already.
Don Pearsall
List Admin.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle
Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 8:48 PM
kolb-list@matronics.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: Am I the Only One Who gets this Not Delivered Error
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
All,
I am aware of this issue. These messages are *not* coming from Matronics.
They are coming from someone subscribed to the Pietenpol-List (and a number
of others, such as the Kitfox-list and Kolb-List) and who has some Spam
filtering software mis-configured. The problem I'm having is that my posts
to the List don't seem to cause me to get one of the bounces.
I need to dissect in detail the full headers of one of these messages to
determine (hopefully) where they are actually coming from. If someone that
has received one of these could forward me a complete copy of the message
including all of the headers (in Unix email format with all of the
"Received: " lines intact), hopefully I can get this guy removed from the
List.
Sorry for the hassle,
Matt Dralle
Matronics List Admin
At 08:31 PM 3/19/2006 Sunday, Catdesign wrote:
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Catdesign" <catdesign@intergate.com>
>
>Yep that's the thing I keep getting. I'll send an email to Matt and see
what's going on.
>
>Chris Tracy
>Sacramento, Ca
>Do Not Archive
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Vought" <carbarvo@knology.net>
>To: "Pietenpol- List" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 5:27 PM
>Subject: Fw: NOT DELIVERED - To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> - Subject:
Re: Pietenpol-List: Am I the Only One Who gets this Not Delivered Error
>
>
>>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Carl Vought" <carbarvo@knology.net>
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: <carbarvo@knology.net>
>>To: <carbarvo@knology.net>
>>Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 3:26 PM
>>Subject: NOT DELIVERED - To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> - Subject: Re:
Pietenpol-List: Am I the Only One Who gets this Not Delivered Error
>>
>>
>>>The message you sent was regarded as junk e-mail by the recipient's email
server.
>>>
>>>To help ensure delivery make sure you are on the recipient's known
address list.
>>>
>>>Thank You.
>>>
>>>Original Message Contained:
>>>
>>>
>>>YEP...Happened to me a couple of days ago when I attached a picture of
Lowell Frank's Warner powered Piet to my posting. The posting made it, but I
got the "no delivery" notice..Carl Vought
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: Catdesign
>>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 2:54 PM
>>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Am I the Only One Who gets this Not Delivered
Error
>>>
>>>
>>> Lately, when I post to the list I get a NOT DELIVERED email message
saying the message I just sent was undeliverable but I know it is making it
to the list. Anyone else have this happening?
>>>
>>> Chris Tracy
>>> Sacramento, Ca
>>>
>>> Do not archive
>>>
>>>[[HTML Version removed]]
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| Subject: | Re: How much Polyfiber needed |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
Thanks Guy, you had me worried for a while there.
Cheers
Graeme
----- Original Message -----
From: "Guy Buchanan" <bnn@nethere.com>
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 2:40 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: How much Polyfiber needed
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
>
> At 08:03 PM 3/19/2006, you wrote:
>>Someone mentioned on the list just recently
>> >that its a good idea to order 50% more than estimated. Is this really
>> >necessary?.
>> >
>> >Thanks guys
>> >
>> >Graeme
>
>
> Sorry Graeme! Just saw this. The 50% was sort of a joke. (See winky
> face.) However in my experience you'd be surprised how often it's true. I
> definitely wouldn't buy less than 25% more than I estimated.
>
>
> Guy Buchanan
> K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
>
>
> --
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
I like to pre coat all surfaces that I will be gluing to with Tak. I
clean the attaching surface with MEK, then sand the wood and scotch
bright the aluminum and air blow and then clean again with MEK.
Depending on how I am going to attach the fabric I use one or two coats
of Tak and let dry before I ever bring the fabric to the wing. I like to
glue the top of the leading edge down first, then rotate the wing so the
cloth lays over the ribs and down past he trailing edge. I can then glue
the trailing edge down by using 50/50 Tak and MEK the top glue the
trailing edge. With the two coats of Tak already on the metal the 50/50
goes through the fabric and activates the Tak under it. Then turn the
wing up and use an iron at about 250 or so and turn the fabric around
the trailing edge and onto the other side. On the bottom you can just
glue it down and then cut the excess with a razor. When you do the top
use something to hold your pencil the inch in to mark you cut. This is a
straight cut, not a pinked cut, and it cuts better if you use some
thinned poly bush were you are going to cut to keep the cut clean and
neat. I use sharp scissors partially open and just run the cut--Caution
do not attempt to work straight Tak through the fabric. It will not go
and will look good but will not give a good bond. --- I then glue the
outside of the outer ribs. That way there is no glue holding the fabric
to the wing except the outer edge. I then shrink the fabric at about 250
or just until it is good and snug. This has the advantage of not giving
uneven strain on the ribs when you shrink. Now the fabric is pulling
down against the ribs and the leading edge with no wrinkles. Simply us
50/50 and brush the places you want to glue. The tension on the fabric
will force the fabric into the pre coat Tak and you will see the glue
ooze up through the fabric making a perfect bond. Do not soften the
fabric around the edges while you are doing this as it will pull away,
but that is easy to do. Remember to coat the fuel tank with several
coats of poly brush to keep it from wicking the poly brush out of the
fabric and causing pin holes. It makes covering a wing very fast and
easy. I wish I could be there to show people the tricks that make it so
easy. Fabric is a lot of fun.
Graeme Toft wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
>
>Great advise Allan, thats exactly the type of info I need at this point. I
>really thought the paint would go further when diluted with Reducer. This
>stuff is to expensive to make mistakes. Im not sure what you mean by
>"pre-coat", before applying the Tak. Can you explain this point further?.
>
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
Thanks for your time and advise Allan, its greatly appreciated.
Regards
Graeme ----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan & Linda Daniels" <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 4:41 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Precoat
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels
> <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
>
> I like to pre coat all surfaces that I will be gluing to with Tak. I
> clean the attaching surface with MEK, then sand the wood and scotch
> bright the aluminum and air blow and then clean again with MEK.
> Depending on how I am going to attach the fabric I use one or two coats
> of Tak and let dry before I ever bring the fabric to the wing. I like to
> glue the top of the leading edge down first, then rotate the wing so the
> cloth lays over the ribs and down past he trailing edge. I can then glue
> the trailing edge down by using 50/50 Tak and MEK the top glue the
> trailing edge. With the two coats of Tak already on the metal the 50/50
> goes through the fabric and activates the Tak under it. Then turn the
> wing up and use an iron at about 250 or so and turn the fabric around
> the trailing edge and onto the other side. On the bottom you can just
> glue it down and then cut the excess with a razor. When you do the top
> use something to hold your pencil the inch in to mark you cut. This is a
> straight cut, not a pinked cut, and it cuts better if you use some
> thinned poly bush were you are going to cut to keep the cut clean and
> neat. I use sharp scissors partially open and just run the cut--Caution
> do not attempt to work straight Tak through the fabric. It will not go
> and will look good but will not give a good bond. --- I then glue the
> outside of the outer ribs. That way there is no glue holding the fabric
> to the wing except the outer edge. I then shrink the fabric at about 250
> or just until it is good and snug. This has the advantage of not giving
> uneven strain on the ribs when you shrink. Now the fabric is pulling
> down against the ribs and the leading edge with no wrinkles. Simply us
> 50/50 and brush the places you want to glue. The tension on the fabric
> will force the fabric into the pre coat Tak and you will see the glue
> ooze up through the fabric making a perfect bond. Do not soften the
> fabric around the edges while you are doing this as it will pull away,
> but that is easy to do. Remember to coat the fuel tank with several
> coats of poly brush to keep it from wicking the poly brush out of the
> fabric and causing pin holes. It makes covering a wing very fast and
> easy. I wish I could be there to show people the tricks that make it so
> easy. Fabric is a lot of fun.
>
> Graeme Toft wrote:
>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
>>
>>Great advise Allan, thats exactly the type of info I need at this point. I
>>really thought the paint would go further when diluted with Reducer. This
>>stuff is to expensive to make mistakes. Im not sure what you mean by
>>"pre-coat", before applying the Tak. Can you explain this point further?.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
OK, I know Im be a pest but I have one last question about covering my wings. Is
rib stitching overkill for the Kitfox 1V 1200 classic or a sensible precaution
?
Cheers
Graeme
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson" <janderson412@hotmail.com>
Very sensible precaution and fun to do in the end. If you're lucky enough to
have a wife that likes sewing like I do, make out you can't do it and get
her to show you. In the end she was doing two ribs to my one so I let her
go, cost me a few domestic chores but she's (rightfully) now so proud of the
end result. J.
From: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Rib stitching
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
OK, I know Im be a pest but I have one last question about covering my
wings. Is rib stitching overkill for the Kitfox 1V 1200 classic or a
sensible precaution ?
Cheers
Graeme
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