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1. 12:30 AM - Re: Rib stitching (Graeme Toft)
2. 12:32 AM - Re: New Member (Michael Gibbs)
3. 04:18 AM - Re: Rib stitching (Lynn Matteson)
4. 05:54 AM - VNE on a mod 4 1200 (was New Member) (wingnut)
5. 06:03 AM - Checking the oil on a 912UL (wingnut)
6. 06:29 AM - Re: Checking the oil on a 912UL (Mike Ford)
7. 06:46 AM - Re: Checking the oil on a 912UL (wingnut)
8. 07:24 AM - Re: VNE on a mod 4 1200 (was New Member) (Guy Buchanan)
9. 07:40 AM - Re: VNE on a mod 4 1200 (was New Member) (kitfoxmike)
10. 07:43 AM - Re: Rib stitching (kitfoxmike)
11. 07:44 AM - Re: Rib stitching (Alan & Linda Daniels)
12. 07:47 AM - Re: VNE on a mod 4 1200 (was New Member) (wingnut)
13. 07:51 AM - Skystar Is www.sportplanellc.com (Harris, Robert)
14. 07:58 AM - Re: VNE on a mod 4 1200 (was New Member) (wingnut)
15. 08:26 AM - sharing some air time (Kem Dunnebacke)
16. 08:30 AM - Re: VNE on a mod 4 1200 (was New Member) (kitfoxmike)
17. 12:17 PM - 912UL install help on a classic IV (Brett Walmsley)
18. 12:31 PM - Re: Re: New Member (kirk hull)
19. 12:38 PM - Re: 912UL install help on a classic IV (kirk hull)
20. 12:46 PM - Re: 912UL install help on a classic IV (wingnut)
21. 01:19 PM - Re: 912UL install help on a classic IV (Lowell Fitt)
22. 02:06 PM - Re: 912UL install help on a classic IV (kurt schrader)
23. 02:09 PM - Re: 912UL install help on a classic IV (Mike Ford)
24. 02:09 PM - Re: Re: VNE on a mod 4 1200 (was New Member) (kurt schrader)
25. 02:12 PM - Re: Skystar? (kurt schrader)
26. 02:17 PM - Kitfox Drivers in Spain (Clint Bazzill)
27. 02:17 PM - Re: Re: looking for a CFI in michigan (bruce)
28. 03:00 PM - Anybody using a Corvair Engine? (Matt Teixeira)
29. 03:14 PM - Re: Anybody using a Corvair Engine? (Don Pearsall)
30. 03:17 PM - Re: Kitfox Drivers in Spain (Thomas Lee)
31. 04:37 PM - Re: Kitfox Drivers in Spain (Clint Bazzill)
32. 04:59 PM - Re: Anybody using a Corvair Engine? (Alan & Linda Daniels)
33. 05:54 PM - Corvair Engine? (Malcolmbru@aol.com)
34. 06:29 PM - Re: It Flew! Cooling. (kurt schrader)
35. 06:31 PM - Re: Anybody using a Corvair Engine? (kurt schrader)
36. 07:32 PM - Re: It Flew! Cooling. (Comp User)
37. 08:25 PM - Re: It Flew! Cooling. (John Anderson)
38. 08:30 PM - Re: It Flew! Cooling. (John Anderson)
39. 09:33 PM - Re: Anybody using a Corvair Engine? (Norm Beauchamp)
40. 10:00 PM - Re: looking for a CFI in michigan (Richard Rabbers)
41. 11:44 PM - Re: It Flew! Cooling. (John Anderson)
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| Subject: | Re: Rib stitching |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
Good onya John, a few domestic chores sounds like a good deal to me. I have
to admit I like the idea of something other than glue holding the fabric on.
I was surprised how easily I was able to strip the wing. The fabric came
away using very little force.
Cheers
Graeme Toft
Queensland Safety Solutions
Ph: 07 49397011
Mob: 0411476527
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Anderson" <janderson412@hotmail.com>
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 5:31 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Rib stitching
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson"
> <janderson412@hotmail.com>
>
> Very sensible precaution and fun to do in the end. If you're lucky enough
> to
> have a wife that likes sewing like I do, make out you can't do it and get
> her to show you. In the end she was doing two ribs to my one so I let her
> go, cost me a few domestic chores but she's (rightfully) now so proud of
> the
> end result. J.
>
>
> From: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Rib stitching
> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 17:16:28 +1000
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
>
> OK, I know Im be a pest but I have one last question about covering my
> wings. Is rib stitching overkill for the Kitfox 1V 1200 classic or a
> sensible precaution ?
>
>
> Cheers
> Graeme
>
>
> Need more speed? Get Xtra Broadband @
> http://jetstream.xtra.co.nz/chm/0,,202853-1000,00.html
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>
> --
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
Kirk sez:
>...I was wondering what the horse power was on the 912 and the empty
>weight of a fox with one installed. N205AK is 730 lb with 100 HP. I
>was hoping to get some prelim. # before the first flight
Your numbers seem fine, Kirk. My Model IV-1200 Speedster weighed in
at 660 pounds with a 100 HP Rotax 912ULS and Ivo medium prop. After
I installed the wheel pants she could hit Vne (140 mph) in level
flight with full power. High speed cruise was around 125 mph at 5.5
gph or a more sedate 115 mph at 5 gph or a bit less. She'd fly on
3.5 gph, too, doing about 75 to 80 mph.
My 'fox was FAR from stock--we had even changed the shape of the
empanage with extra tubing--and she had nearly every kind of speed
fairing known to man, so your mileage (and performance!) will vary.
Mike G.
N728KF
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| Subject: | Re: Rib stitching |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
My manual suggests that it is strongly suggested by both Poly-fiber and
Skystar (remember them?). I like the look, as I'm old enough to
remember the older rag and tube planes, and it's fun to get the wax on
your wing (from the rib lacing). Besides, I figured that by rib-lacing,
I'd have a little more drag on my wings and that would slow my Jabiru
2200-powered IV down to where you 912'ers fly. : ) : )
Lynn
Kitfox IV...Jabiru 2200
(flame-proof underwear on)
On Monday, March 20, 2006, at 02:16 AM, Graeme Toft wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
>
> OK, I know Im be a pest but I have one last question about covering my
> wings. Is rib stitching overkill for the Kitfox 1V 1200 classic or a
> sensible precaution ?
>
>
> Cheers
> Graeme
>
>
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| Subject: | VNE on a mod 4 1200 (was New Member) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
Why is your VNE so much higher than mine? The red on my speedo starts at 125. I
always found it kinda scary to have a cruise speed that is only 10mph slower
than VNE. If I get any kind of updraft, I have to ride it out and let her climb.
If I try to hold altitude without working the trottle she'll blow right by
VNE in a jiffy.
> Your numbers seem fine, Kirk. My Model IV-1200 Speedster weighed in at 660 pounds
with a 100 HP Rotax 912ULS and Ivo medium prop. After I installed the wheel
pants she could hit Vne (140 mph) in level flight with full power. High speed
cruise was around 125 mph at 5.5
> gph or a more sedate 115 mph at 5 gph or a bit less. She'd fly on 3.5 gph, too,
doing about 75 to 80 mph.
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| Subject: | Checking the oil on a 912UL |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
The procedure for checking the oil that is detailed in the operators manual involves
hand proping for a few minutes to pump the oil from the engine into the
oil tank. This is a pain in the neck and I was wondering if anyone out there knows
of an alternate procedure.
The previous owner suggested that I just check the oil after shutting down at the
end of the flight. Does that sound reasonable?
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| Subject: | Re: Checking the oil on a 912UL |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mike Ford <fordm2003@yahoo.com>
What I've always heard is that you should check the oil after a minute or two of
having the engine run.
It is much easier on the engine to pre-heat it, if it is below 35 F.
Checking after the flight is okay also, but you then have to check for puddling
(on the ground, in the cowl, etc). Personally I've been checking after engine
1-2 minute warmup.
This summer, I am going to modify my cowl so that I won't have to remove it when
I check oil. That *my* only complaint.
Mike
IV speedster 912ul
wingnut <wingnut@spamarrest.com> wrote: --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut"
The procedure for checking the oil that is detailed in the operators manual involves
hand proping for a few minutes to pump the oil from the engine into the
oil tank. This is a pain in the neck and I was wondering if anyone out there knows
of an alternate procedure.
The previous owner suggested that I just check the oil after shutting down at the
end of the flight. Does that sound reasonable?
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| Subject: | Re: Checking the oil on a 912UL |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
> This summer, I am going to modify my cowl so that I won't have to remove it when
I check oil. That *my* only complaint.
Ouch. I guess I'm lucky that the builder of this airplane put in a access door
over the oil tank. Thanks for the tip. I think I'll switch to checking after warmup.
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| Subject: | Re: VNE on a mod 4 1200 (was New Member) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
At 05:52 AM 3/20/2006, you wrote:
>Why is your VNE so much higher than mine? The red on my speedo starts at
>125. I always found it kinda scary to have a cruise speed that is only
>10mph slower than VNE.
Do you guys really fly around so close to Vne? (I.e. well into the yellow
arc?) I guess you've got more guts than I do. Or do you have some
information that says it's safe?
Thanks,
Guy
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| Subject: | Re: VNE on a mod 4 1200 (was New Member) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com>
I can't figure out what you are trying to say here. You say you get an updraft
and then your all of the sudden over VNE? What is your cruise speed? Are you
just getting extra reading on your speed indicator that isn't reflecting on
the whole airplane? My VNE is 135 as per the short wings, medium fabric(stitched),
120 windscreen, and two weights on each aileron. I cruise at 110 at 5200rpm
IAC. When I land I go up to 135 IAC until about 1/8 out all the time. I
don't think I've seen my airspeed jump up in turbulance, I don't stare at the
guages, I'll watch the next time I get an updraft.
--------
kitfoxmike
kitfox4 1200 912ul speedster
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| Subject: | Re: Rib stitching |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com>
When I did mine it was a pain to do the continueous stitch. I ended up doing the
starting stitch and cut off and do the next, got real fast at doing it that
way. All I can say about stiching is, you can do it now, but not later.
--------
kitfoxmike
kitfox4 1200 912ul speedster
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| Subject: | Re: Rib stitching |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
I have 750 hours on a 5 without rib stitching and no problems, I have
rib stitched and used big head rivets. If glued correctly to the ribs it
should be on really well. I used rivets on the last planes I have done
and like it the best, but rib stitching is fun, provided of course that
you do not rip the fabric.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: VNE on a mod 4 1200 (was New Member) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
> Do you guys really fly around so close to Vne? (I.e. well into the yellow arc?)
I guess you've got more guts than I do. Or do you have some information that
says it's safe?
It's my understanding that, as long as you're flying in smooth air and you don't
make any abrupt control movements, there's no danger in flying near Vne. That
said, for me reach 115, I have to ajust the IVO prop for best cruise. While
I can do that with a switch, I still don't bother unless it's perfectly smooth
air and I'm actually going somewhere instead of just having fun.
Also, don't these numbers come with a certain amount of safety factor built in?
While you don't want to excede it on purpose, Vne isn't a hard limit at which
point you will abruptly loose your wings. I would not be here if that were the
case.
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| Subject: | Skystar Is www.sportplanellc.com |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
Dear John and Debra!
Congratulations on the acceptance of your bid for the Kitfox assets. I
have always appreciated doing business with you, and expect to enjoy it
even more now that you can offer factory Kitfox parts.
Best wishes for happiness and success to all of you at
www.sportplanellc.com
Sincerely,
Robert Harris
San Diego, CA
N200KF
5 Cont 0200
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Good Morning,
OK guys... It's true. We placed a bid on theand it has been
accepted. It's not done yet.. But we'll let you know.
If you have any questions please feel free to email us directly.
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
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| Subject: | Re: VNE on a mod 4 1200 (was New Member) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
> I can't figure out what you are trying to say here. You say you get an updraft
and then your all of the sudden over VNE?
I'm mainly thinking of a cross country I did this weekend. Being a student pilot,
I was probably being a bit too aggressive in my attempt to maintain the planed
altitude (won't the examiner ding you if you blow it by more than 100 ft?).
At one point, I entered a moderate updraft and I responded by pitching down
ever so slightly to maintain altitude. Even though I was still climbing, it only
took a couple of seconds for that little bit of pitch correction to add the
10 mph I needed to hit VNE. Naturally, I throttled back at that point and gave
myself some breathing room but it was still scary.
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| Subject: | sharing some air time |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kem Dunnebacke" <jboatm16@netzero.com>
Ok guys looking for anyone some what near n.c. to share a little air time befor
test flight in same type. i could go rent it wouldnt be the same!i havent flown
in a couple of yrs and need to fly some rust off, whats better then a k.f.
as im about to make some test flights on a speedster.if you are going to sun
n fun with a k.f. i could meet you there. or i would be glad to pay for fuel if
i could meet you at your airport? thanks kem
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| Subject: | Re: VNE on a mod 4 1200 (was New Member) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com>
Ah! the days of flight training.
When I started out I did it with both the cessna and the fox. I remember my flight
instructor telling me to throttle back in the fox because I was going over
5800 rpm all the time. Now days 350 hours later in the fox. I know what it's
doing without looking at the guage and do things without thinking. I guess you
can always go into a slip and lower the altitude and still stay on track.
--------
kitfoxmike
kitfox4 1200 912ul speedster
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| Subject: | 912UL install help on a classic IV |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brett Walmsley" <n93hj@numail.org>
Who in the Southeast US has a Classic IV that will let me come and take some pictures
of the engine install? I am just getting rolling and the manual is not
really that much help. I know there are a couple in the Carolinas. What do you
say? Road trip?
Eric, I need more pictures of yours as well.
Thanks
--------
Brett
Model IV 1200/912UL
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kirk hull" <kirkhull@sbcglobal.net>
thanks . I will let every one know as soon a the FAA gets me the paper work.
They sent back the registration becouse Skystay did not sign it.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Michael
Gibbs
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 2:32 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: New Member
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
Kirk sez:
>...I was wondering what the horse power was on the 912 and the empty
>weight of a fox with one installed. N205AK is 730 lb with 100 HP. I
>was hoping to get some prelim. # before the first flight
Your numbers seem fine, Kirk. My Model IV-1200 Speedster weighed in
at 660 pounds with a 100 HP Rotax 912ULS and Ivo medium prop. After
I installed the wheel pants she could hit Vne (140 mph) in level
flight with full power. High speed cruise was around 125 mph at 5.5
gph or a more sedate 115 mph at 5 gph or a bit less. She'd fly on
3.5 gph, too, doing about 75 to 80 mph.
My 'fox was FAR from stock--we had even changed the shape of the
empanage with extra tubing--and she had nearly every kind of speed
fairing known to man, so your mileage (and performance!) will vary.
Mike G.
N728KF
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| Subject: | 912UL install help on a classic IV |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kirk hull" <kirkhull@sbcglobal.net>
I am in kansas City MO. if you want to make a little trip. I have a Stratus
Ea81 installed . If you would like I can send you some pics off list
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Brett
Walmsley
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 2:14 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: 912UL install help on a classic IV
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brett Walmsley" <n93hj@numail.org>
Who in the Southeast US has a Classic IV that will let me come and take some
pictures of the engine install? I am just getting rolling and the manual is
not really that much help. I know there are a couple in the Carolinas. What
do you say? Road trip?
Eric, I need more pictures of yours as well.
Thanks
--------
Brett
Model IV 1200/912UL
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| Subject: | Re: 912UL install help on a classic IV |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
Laurens, SC here. You're welcome to stop by. She's based at 34A. If you like, I
can snap a couple my self email it to you.. Hoever, I'm going out of tow this
Wed for a week so next weekend is the best I can do.
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| Subject: | Re: 912UL install help on a classic IV |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Brett. If it is a 912 install in the Model IV, I have some photos I took
for another builder. Not knowing exactly what you want to see, I don't know
if they would be that helpful, but if you would like to see them drop a
note.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brett Walmsley" <n93hj@numail.org>
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 12:13 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: 912UL install help on a classic IV
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brett Walmsley" <n93hj@numail.org>
>
> Who in the Southeast US has a Classic IV that will let me come and take
> some pictures of the engine install? I am just getting rolling and the
> manual is not really that much help. I know there are a couple in the
> Carolinas. What do you say? Road trip?
> Eric, I need more pictures of yours as well.
> Thanks
>
> --------
> Brett
> Model IV 1200/912UL
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=22939#22939
>
>
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| Subject: | 912UL install help on a classic IV |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Kirk,
If you have the time, some of us would like to hear
how your Stratus powered Fox performs and how you like
it. Any problems?
Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo
--- kirk hull <kirkhull@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> I am in kansas City MO. if you want to make a little
> trip. I have a Stratus
> Ea81 installed . If you would like I can send you
> some pics off list
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| Subject: | Re: 912UL install help on a classic IV |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mike Ford <fordm2003@yahoo.com>
I am not a builder (yet), but I picked this up to become more familiar with the
kitfox I purchased. I have found the video to be extreamly helpful to me. I
would highly recommend it.
Actually, I believe I got it as part of the donation to this news group.
http://www.homebuilthelp.com/912.htm
Mike
Brett Walmsley <n93hj@numail.org> wrote: --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brett
Walmsley"
Who in the Southeast US has a Classic IV that will let me come and take some pictures
of the engine install? I am just getting rolling and the manual is not
really that much help. I know there are a couple in the Carolinas. What do you
say? Road trip?
Eric, I need more pictures of yours as well.
Thanks
--------
Brett
Model IV 1200/912UL
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=22939#22939
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| Subject: | Re: VNE on a mod 4 1200 (was New Member) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
On cross countries, I find that if I want to get
better milage in my Fox, I can ride the thermals down
low and get an extra 10 mph or so. If I get tired of
the bumps, I climb out of them. Makes it better to
read the map. I usually cruise at 100 mph in my S-5
in smooth or rough air. It just rides more
comfortably at that speed.
Kurt S. S-5
--- wingnut <wingnut@spamarrest.com> wrote:
> > I can't figure out what you are trying to say
> here. You say you get an updraft and then your all
> of the sudden over VNE?
>
>
> I'm mainly thinking of a cross country I did this
> weekend. Being a student pilot, I was probably being
> a bit too aggressive in my attempt to maintain the
> planed altitude (won't the examiner ding you if you
> blow it by more than 100 ft?). At one point, I
> entered a moderate updraft and I responded by
> pitching down ever so slightly to maintain altitude.
> Even though I was still climbing, it only took a
> couple of seconds for that little bit of pitch
> correction to add the 10 mph I needed to hit VNE.
> Naturally, I throttled back at that point and gave
> myself some breathing room but it was still scary.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
What's that I see? The sun rising out to the West
where the Fox's nest?
Kurt S. :-)))
--- Donna and Roger McConnell <rdmac@swbell.net>
wrote:
> John and Debra,
> Congrats, I can't think of a better choice than you
two guys owning
> and selling the Kitfox line of aircraft. This is
> nothing but a win win for
> everyone who owns a Kitfox or is contemplating
> ownership. OK I'll shut up
> now. I'm starting to sound like a commercial. Again
> congratulations.
> Roger Mac
> N619RM
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On
> Behalf Of jdmcbean
> Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 5:55 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Skystar?
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean"
> <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
>
> Good Morning,
>
> OK guys... It's true. We placed a bid on the
> Kitfox assets and it has been
> accepted. It's not done yet.. But we'll let you
> know.
>
> If you have any questions please feel free to email
> us directly.
>
>
> Fly Safe !!
> John & Debra McBean
> www.sportplanellc.com
> "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
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| Subject: | Kitfox Drivers in Spain |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clint Bazzill" <clint_bazzill@hotmail.com>
Heading for Malaga, Spain for 10 days. Any Kitfox drivers around. Clint
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| Subject: | Re: looking for a CFI in michigan |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "bruce" <bruce@globaltrucktraders.com>
Richard
Do to personal reasons, I am selling the Model 1 I bought on eBay in MI. It is
still in the enclosed trailer that I picked it up with in January (including the
amphibious floats). I paid 17100 and I am not looking to make a profit. Do
you have interest or do you know someone who has interest? Last annual was 6/5/05.
Pic is attached. I can deliver.
Bruce Knight
888 265 2114
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Richard Rabbers" <rira1950@yahoo.com>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Richard Rabbers" <rira1950@yahoo.com>
>
>Malcolm,
>
>The FBO in Allegan in SW Michigan has an Aeronca Camp and 2 tailwheel instructors.
I got my tailwheel training there.
>
>They are hoping to get another champ at some point in the future and add float
training.
>
> >>Where in Michigan are you? There's a CFI in Cadillac who is TG proficient.
He teaches floats too. Contact me off list if you'd like his number.
>
>--------
>Richard in SW Michigan
>Model 1 / 618 lotus floats (restoration)
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=20884#20884
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Sent via the WebMail system at globaltrucktraders.com
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| Subject: | Anybody using a Corvair Engine? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Matt Teixeira" <mteixeira@wmlylesco.com>
Is anyone using a Corvair engine or seen one on a Kitfox? I saw one run
on a test stand yesterday and I am very interested.
Thank you,
Matt K4-1200
Fresno, CA
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| Subject: | Anybody using a Corvair Engine? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
Matt,
I don't have any numbers in front of me, but I think Corvair engines would
be way too big and heavy. Those are opposed 6 cylinders, and not built for
light weight. Add to that lack of parts availability, wide size, and the
fact that they leak a quart of oil an hour. I don't think they make good
airplane engines.
Don Pearsall
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Teixeira
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 2:59 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Anybody using a Corvair Engine?
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Matt Teixeira" <mteixeira@wmlylesco.com>
Is anyone using a Corvair engine or seen one on a Kitfox? I saw one run
on a test stand yesterday and I am very interested.
Thank you,
Matt K4-1200
Fresno, CA
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Drivers in Spain |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Thomas Lee <thomasleekf@comcast.net>
You fly there in your Kitfox ?
thomas.
Clint Bazzill wrote:
>Heading for Malaga, Spain for 10 days. Any Kitfox drivers around. Clint
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Drivers in Spain |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clint Bazzill" <clint_bazzill@hotmail.com>
That would be a first for me. Not this time Thomas.
From: Thomas Lee <thomasleekf@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Drivers in Spain
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Thomas Lee <thomasleekf@comcast.net>
You fly there in your Kitfox ?
thomas.
Clint Bazzill wrote:
>Heading for Malaga, Spain for 10 days. Any Kitfox drivers around. Clint
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Anybody using a Corvair Engine? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
From what I have found out is that they weigh somewhere between an
O-200 and and O-235, and make a little better than 100 HP. It will fit
inside the large cowl on a 5,6,7 series plane. It is an interesting
option. They are getting some flight hours and it appears they have
promise. With the cost of Rotax and others getting out of reason it is
worth considering. Remember thought that anything other than factory
supported engines will cause you problems in insurance and will really
hurt resale.
They have a lot of information on their web site www.flycorvair.com
Matt Teixeira wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Matt Teixeira" <mteixeira@wmlylesco.com>
>
>
>Is anyone using a Corvair engine or seen one on a Kitfox? I saw one run
>on a test stand yesterday and I am very interested.
>
>Thank you,
>
>Matt K4-1200
>Fresno, CA
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Malcolmbru@aol.com
William Wynne is the man to ask at _www.flycovair.com_
(http://www.flycovair.com) malcolm from michigan
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| Subject: | Re: It Flew! Cooling. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Hi John,
What out side temps are you commonly flying in now?
What engine temps are you seeing in flight?
What will be the highest temp you would want to fly
in?
Those are needed to know whaty to design for.
One of the problems with the smiley face opening is
that it is in a very low pressure area of the cowl.
The ram air effect is hardly able to overcome the low
pressure outside due to the curve of the cowl. This
area is like the upper surface of the wing, except
inverted, and made worse by the side curve of the cowl
too. Very low pressure results. The air inside of the
cowl is usually under higher pressure from the front
inlets. This allows the lower outlet to work. It may
not be so with your inlet to outlet pressure for your
radiator.
With a smiley face inlet, the pressure at the back of
the cowl where you want the air to go out is actually
at higher pressure, so the air almost wants to reverse
flow in and come out the smiley face! The smiley face
is not the best inlet air location we can get.
When I first flew my NSI powered S-5 it was just cool
enough outside to handle it. That was in the 60's F
range. I have the big alum. radiator but a slightly
smaller oil cooler than standard. My initial problem
was oil temps going high (235F), so I added more
airflow and can now handle into the low 90's to keep
the oil below 220F or so. I did this by enlarging the
smiley face to 1.5" and directing all the flow to the
oil cooler, which is below the firewall. It works
pretty good in flight, but gets hot taxiing a long
time.
My radiator temp was the next problem. It was OK into
the 70's, but draggy hanging out by itself. I added a
scoop and gained 9 mph, but still have to work on
making it run comfortably above 90F and while on a
long taxi. The exhaust size from my scoop is critical
in keeping the temps down, but I am looking at adding
VG`s in front of the scoop to see if that will help
too. The scoop takes in boundry layer air and that is
messed up quite a bit.
Your scoop inlet up front looks pretty good, but as I
said, that is a low pressure area. The outlet should
ideally be in a lower pressure area than the inlet.
Neither of us have the ideal. You might want to make
up 3 VG sets and tape them in front of your inlet
about half way up to the prop to see if that helps.
It is a very easy fix that need not be perminent until
you know that it works.
After that, you may need to add an outlet door that
increases the opening when needed. That will be my
next step after the VG's too.
I learned about using the VG's from a canard with NACA
scoops to the engine that was overheating. VG's saved
the day for him.
Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo
--- John Anderson <janderson412@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Here is a shot of my air inlet and the radiator can
> just be seen. John
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| Subject: | Re: Anybody using a Corvair Engine? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
There is a KitFox-6 with a corvair engine being built
in KY by a Barry Bannon (sp). He had the engine
running last I heard, but was a long way from flying
yet. I don't have further info, but he should show up
on the Corvair list.
Kurt S.
--- Matt Teixeira <mteixeira@wmlylesco.com> wrote:
>
> Is anyone using a Corvair engine or seen one on a
> Kitfox? I saw one run
> on a test stand yesterday and I am very interested.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Matt K4-1200
> Fresno, CA
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| Subject: | Re: It Flew! Cooling. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Comp User" <trebla@directinter.net>
That is a good explaination on the smiley face. I tapped mine up because it
just took air in and back out. Flowed over and around nothing. So to improve
the inlet to outlet ratio blocking it was the logical solution. I tested my
cowling flows with a water hose behind the prop and infront of the
radiators. That is when I saw the airflow going around the radiators and
some going in the back. That is when I put the cowlings on. That made a big
difference. There are actually bugs hitting the radiator now.
Albert Smith
5TD NSI turbo
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| Subject: | Re: It Flew! Cooling. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson" <janderson412@hotmail.com>
Hmm Kurt, I thought that area is still pretty high pressure still where I
have the inlet and where the radiator is is low pressure. If you look at the
cowel around that area, thats were all the bugs hit and that's usually hight
pressure. The plenum area to the radiator is seperate from the engine air
except for the lower part of the sump (cooling piped and finned) and this
sees the radiator air also. My temps are oil, around 190 F approx (we all
C here) and water water 210F approx 110C. I also have an Earls heater
cooler also in the heater circ which is hooked to the water/oli cooler and
turbo. I've opened the exit area to the main cowl a bit so hope this will
enhance the airflow to this radiator and help the intercooler as it exhausts
into this area. The OAT is around 23c. John
From: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: It Flew! Cooling.
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
<smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Hi John,
What out side temps are you commonly flying in now?
What engine temps are you seeing in flight?
What will be the highest temp you would want to fly
in?
Those are needed to know whaty to design for.
One of the problems with the smiley face opening is
that it is in a very low pressure area of the cowl.
The ram air effect is hardly able to overcome the low
pressure outside due to the curve of the cowl. This
area is like the upper surface of the wing, except
inverted, and made worse by the side curve of the cowl
too. Very low pressure results. The air inside of the
cowl is usually under higher pressure from the front
inlets. This allows the lower outlet to work. It may
not be so with your inlet to outlet pressure for your
radiator.
With a smiley face inlet, the pressure at the back of
the cowl where you want the air to go out is actually
at higher pressure, so the air almost wants to reverse
flow in and come out the smiley face! The smiley face
is not the best inlet air location we can get.
When I first flew my NSI powered S-5 it was just cool
enough outside to handle it. That was in the 60's F
range. I have the big alum. radiator but a slightly
smaller oil cooler than standard. My initial problem
was oil temps going high (235F), so I added more
airflow and can now handle into the low 90's to keep
the oil below 220F or so. I did this by enlarging the
smiley face to 1.5" and directing all the flow to the
oil cooler, which is below the firewall. It works
pretty good in flight, but gets hot taxiing a long
time.
My radiator temp was the next problem. It was OK into
the 70's, but draggy hanging out by itself. I added a
scoop and gained 9 mph, but still have to work on
making it run comfortably above 90F and while on a
long taxi. The exhaust size from my scoop is critical
in keeping the temps down, but I am looking at adding
VG`s in front of the scoop to see if that will help
too. The scoop takes in boundry layer air and that is
messed up quite a bit.
Your scoop inlet up front looks pretty good, but as I
said, that is a low pressure area. The outlet should
ideally be in a lower pressure area than the inlet.
Neither of us have the ideal. You might want to make
up 3 VG sets and tape them in front of your inlet
about half way up to the prop to see if that helps.
It is a very easy fix that need not be perminent until
you know that it works.
After that, you may need to add an outlet door that
increases the opening when needed. That will be my
next step after the VG's too.
I learned about using the VG's from a canard with NACA
scoops to the engine that was overheating. VG's saved
the day for him.
Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo
--- John Anderson <janderson412@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Here is a shot of my air inlet and the radiator can
>just be seen. John
Become a fitness fanatic @ http://xtramsn.co.nz/health
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| Subject: | Re: It Flew! Cooling. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson" <janderson412@hotmail.com>
Yes, smiley face....My inlet area is about one third of the radiator area
which I read is about the right ratio?? And bugs sure do hit the inlet area
and the radiator gets full of grass on the front so I'm pratty sure the flow
is there but I'll try your hose trick Albert. I'll put so shots on
Sportflight tonight. John A.
From: "Comp User" <trebla@directinter.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: It Flew! Cooling.
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Comp User" <trebla@directinter.net>
That is a good explaination on the smiley face. I tapped mine up because it
just took air in and back out. Flowed over and around nothing. So to improve
the inlet to outlet ratio blocking it was the logical solution. I tested my
cowling flows with a water hose behind the prop and infront of the
radiators. That is when I saw the airflow going around the radiators and
some going in the back. That is when I put the cowlings on. That made a big
difference. There are actually bugs hitting the radiator now.
Albert Smith
5TD NSI turbo
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| Subject: | Re: Anybody using a Corvair Engine? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Norm Beauchamp <nebchmp@wcc.net>
I'll soon be able to give more on this subject to those who are
interested in the Corvair Fox combination. Hopefully before the end of
next month. I'm not sure of the "total" weight yet, but feel positive it
will be near the 0200. Parts are readily available from two parts
houses that specialize only in Corvair parts. One is on the East Coast
and one on the West Coast. Hear is a good place to start looking if
you are interested in all that has been done to perfect the Corvair
engine. http://www.flycorvair.com/ <http://www.flycorvair.com/>
http://www.corvair.com/user-cgi/pages.cgi?category=home East Coast Parts
http://www.corvairunderground.com/
<http://www.corvairunderground.com/%20%20West%20Coast%20parts>
West Coast Parts.
There are several more interesting sites you can find, or I can send
them to anyone who is interested.
I guess you probably should contact me off list. I'm not affiliated in
any way with any product pertaining to Corvair engines or otherwise.
Don Pearsall wrote:-->
>Matt,
>I don't have any numbers in front of me, but I think Corvair engines would
>be way too big and heavy. Those are opposed 6 cylinders, and not built for
>light weight. Add to that lack of parts availability, wide size, and the
>fact that they leak a quart of oil an hour. I don't think they make good
>airplane engines.
>
>Don Pearsall
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: looking for a CFI in michigan |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Richard Rabbers" <rira1950@yahoo.com>
Bruce >> I am selling the Model 1
Bruce - Sorry to here your selling that beauty. Tempting since mine is still pretty
far from flight ... but ... personal reasons require me to be a one plane
man. Someone here may have interest. This list strips attachments including
photos. Someone may have a suggestion for how to share your pics. If you have
any extra parts... like a header tank I'd looking for one.
BTW - I got lucky and now have a construction manual for my model 1 - the prevouis
owner came across it and relayed it recently.
Do not archive.
--------
Richard in SW Michigan
Model 1 / 618 - full-lotus floats (restoration)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=23080#23080
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| Subject: | Re: It Flew! Cooling. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson" <janderson412@hotmail.com>
Sorry Kurt, I wrote this below in a rush but I think you'll get my gist. I
uploaded so shots at
http://www.sportflight.com/cgi-bin/uploader.pl?action=view&epoch=1142915948.
John
From: "John Anderson" <janderson412@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: It Flew! Cooling.
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson"
<janderson412@hotmail.com>
Hmm Kurt, I thought that area is still pretty high pressure still where I
have the inlet and where the radiator is is low pressure. If you look at the
cowel around that area, thats were all the bugs hit and that's usually hight
pressure. The plenum area to the radiator is seperate from the engine air
except for the lower part of the sump (cooling piped and finned) and this
sees the radiator air also. My temps are oil, around 190 F approx (we all
C here) and water water 210F approx 110C. I also have an Earls heater
cooler also in the heater circ which is hooked to the water/oli cooler and
turbo. I've opened the exit area to the main cowl a bit so hope this will
enhance the airflow to this radiator and help the intercooler as it exhausts
into this area. The OAT is around 23c. John
From: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: It Flew! Cooling.
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
<smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Hi John,
What out side temps are you commonly flying in now?
What engine temps are you seeing in flight?
What will be the highest temp you would want to fly
in?
Those are needed to know whaty to design for.
One of the problems with the smiley face opening is
that it is in a very low pressure area of the cowl.
The ram air effect is hardly able to overcome the low
pressure outside due to the curve of the cowl. This
area is like the upper surface of the wing, except
inverted, and made worse by the side curve of the cowl
too. Very low pressure results. The air inside of the
cowl is usually under higher pressure from the front
inlets. This allows the lower outlet to work. It may
not be so with your inlet to outlet pressure for your
radiator.
With a smiley face inlet, the pressure at the back of
the cowl where you want the air to go out is actually
at higher pressure, so the air almost wants to reverse
flow in and come out the smiley face! The smiley face
is not the best inlet air location we can get.
When I first flew my NSI powered S-5 it was just cool
enough outside to handle it. That was in the 60's F
range. I have the big alum. radiator but a slightly
smaller oil cooler than standard. My initial problem
was oil temps going high (235F), so I added more
airflow and can now handle into the low 90's to keep
the oil below 220F or so. I did this by enlarging the
smiley face to 1.5" and directing all the flow to the
oil cooler, which is below the firewall. It works
pretty good in flight, but gets hot taxiing a long
time.
My radiator temp was the next problem. It was OK into
the 70's, but draggy hanging out by itself. I added a
scoop and gained 9 mph, but still have to work on
making it run comfortably above 90F and while on a
long taxi. The exhaust size from my scoop is critical
in keeping the temps down, but I am looking at adding
VG`s in front of the scoop to see if that will help
too. The scoop takes in boundry layer air and that is
messed up quite a bit.
Your scoop inlet up front looks pretty good, but as I
said, that is a low pressure area. The outlet should
ideally be in a lower pressure area than the inlet.
Neither of us have the ideal. You might want to make
up 3 VG sets and tape them in front of your inlet
about half way up to the prop to see if that helps.
It is a very easy fix that need not be perminent until
you know that it works.
After that, you may need to add an outlet door that
increases the opening when needed. That will be my
next step after the VG's too.
I learned about using the VG's from a canard with NACA
scoops to the engine that was overheating. VG's saved
the day for him.
Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo
--- John Anderson <janderson412@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Here is a shot of my air inlet and the radiator can
>just be seen. John
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