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     1. 04:29 AM - Post (Bob Unternaehrer)
     2. 05:03 AM - TOW-BAR (Kem Dunnebacke)
     3. 05:31 AM - Re: TOW-BAR (KFN102LG@aol.com)
     4. 05:52 AM - Re: 582 rubber donut  (Marco Menezes)
     5. 07:01 AM - Re: (lost posts) was Re: 912 needle valves (Lowell Fitt)
     6. 08:57 AM - Rotax 582 high EGT (Gill Levesque)
     7. 09:04 AM - (lost posts) was Re: 912 needle valves (kitfoxmike)
     8. 10:08 AM - Re: Rotax 582 high EGT (Aerobatics@aol.com)
     9. 10:26 AM - Re: Anybody using a Corvair Engine? (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
    10. 10:32 AM - Re: Rotax 582 high EGT (Bob Robertson)
    11. 10:34 AM - Re: Anybody using a Corvair Engine? (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
    12. 10:52 AM - Re: Anybody using a Corvair Engine? (Randy Daughenbaugh)
    13. 11:51 AM - First impressions of a Kitfox III, and a few questions. (Michael Laundy)
    14. 12:09 PM - Re: (lost posts) was Re: 912 needle valves (Lowell Fitt)
    15. 12:22 PM - Sportflight site (Don Smythe)
    16. 01:18 PM - Re: Sportflight site (Don Pearsall)
    17. 01:21 PM - Re: Sportflight site (Graeme Toft)
    18. 01:47 PM - Re: Sportflight site (Don Smythe)
    19. 02:18 PM - Re: Sportflight site (Glenn Horne)
    20. 03:28 PM - Re: Sportflight site (Don Pearsall)
    21. 03:28 PM - Re: Rotax 582 high EGT (Jim Burke)
    22. 11:23 PM - Re: Re: 912 needle valves (Kaufjm@aol.com)
 
 
 
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      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@mcmsys.com>
      
      Matte, could you check my subscription, I can't post either.
      
      <e original message was received at Fri, 24 Mar 2006 06:05:40 -0600
      from 24.brunw.mcmsys.com [12.105.158.224]
      
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      Blue Skies
      Bob Unternaehrer
      shilocom@mcmsys.com
      
      
      
      
      
      
       
       
       
      
      
      
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      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kem Dunnebacke" <jboatm16@netzero.com>
      
      Morning, could someone pass the plans,specs,or a couple of photo's on. of a tow-bar,
      if you have forsale will consider aswell. i would like to make one and it
      would be helpful to have somthing to work off of. thanks kem N492CLspeedster
      
      
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=23891#23891
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
       
       
       
      
      
      
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      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: KFN102LG@aol.com
      
      I have one from my Model IV.   It's long and heavy so finding one close to 
      you would be a plus, not cheap to ship. I'm in central Connecticut. I'll forward
      
      a picture over the weekend.
      
      Larry
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
       
       
       
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: 582 rubber donut  | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com>
      
      Exactly what I needed Bob. Thanks!
         
        do not archive
        
      
      aerocon1@telusplanet.net wrote:
        --> Kitfox-List message posted by: aerocon1@telusplanet.net
      
      Marco,
      Hopefully, you don't have thre rubber donut removed yet. There is a trick to 
      getting it off so that is is easily reinstallable.
      First, get a large hose clamp that goes around the outside of the donut.
      Tighten the clamp around the circumference of the donut. This will stop it 
      from expanding when the bolts are removed. It will lso make sure it keeps it 
      shape so the bolt holes line up when you reassemble. Don't remove the clamp 
      until the donut has been re-installed.
      
      Second, the proper was to lock the crank is by inserting a ROTAX locking pin 
      into the impulse port on the engine (this is the $200.00 tool that costs 
      $2.97). One of these pins should have been in the Rotax tool kit. You will 
      have to insert the pin into the impulse port and slowly turn the engine over 
      while lightly pushing on the pin.. There is a hole in the crankshaft that the 
      pin will slip into..This will lock the crankshaft in place. Do not use a 
      drill bit or any brittle metal rod. If it snaps you are looking at an engine 
      dissasembly to get the broken part out. On a 582 thats a 10 hour job as the 
      engine usually has to be completely broken down.
      There is another tool that bolts onto the flywheel that wil also lock the 
      flywheel. It's quite a bit more money, but its's also used to pull the 
      flywheel.
      
      Once you have the engine locked up you can easily remove the allen bolts.
      You should note the position of the washers under the bolts. One of the flat 
      sides should face the outer edge of the donut and the other flat should face 
      towards the center of the donut. This positioning is important so that the 
      washer does not contact the bodt of the gear drive.
      
      The allen bolts on the C & E drive rubber donuts are fairly shallow. You will 
      need a good quality allen wrench firmly pressed into the bolts in order to 
      safely ermove them. Get a new wrench if yours is any way sloppy.
      
      Hope this helps
      
      Bob Robertson
      
      
      
      
      
      Quoting Marco Menezes :
      
      > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Marco Menezes 
      > 
      > List:
      > 
      > Anybody know a trick for removing the 3 hex screws that hold the rubber
      > donut on the flywheel? Those puppies are loctited and torqued pretty good and
      > the whole crank wants to turn with them. Rotax probably has a $200 tool for
      > the job that I'd rather not buy for occasional use.
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      > Marco Menezes
      > Model 2 582 N99KX
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      Marco Menezes
      Model 2 582 N99KX
      		
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| Subject:  | Re: 912 needle valves | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
      
      Well, Don,  I  got 22 of the 46.  I'll check on my side, but I haven't done 
      anything here lately.
      
      Lowell
      
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
      Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 7:12 PM
      Subject: RE: (lost posts) was Kitfox-List: Re: 912 needle valves
      
      
      > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" 
      > <donpearsall@comcast.net>
      >
      > Lowell, yesterday there were 46 messages on the KF list. If you do not 
      > have
      > that many, then you are missing some. Check your spam folder. It could be
      > the old problem of ISPs not delivering messages they think is spam
      >
      > Don Pearsall
      >
      >
      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
      > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt
      > Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 4:06 PM
      > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
      > Subject: Re: (lost posts) was Kitfox-List: Re: 912 needle valves
      >
      > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
      >
      > Is anyone else losing the originals of some posts.  The list is pretty
      > sparse as of late and then I get a reply to a post I haven't seen yet.  It
      > makes me wonder what else is missing.
      >
      > Is anyone else experiencing this.  Is this a function of the new what ever
      > it is feature that Matt announced a few months back?
      >
      > Lowell
      >
      > ----- Original Message ----- 
      > From: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com>
      > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
      > Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 1:35 PM
      > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: 912 needle valves
      >
      >
      >> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com>
      >>
      >> My advice is to change them, you will get the black tips from aircraft
      >> spruce, also get new pins and arms.  Take some carb spray and inject into
      >> the different circuits while doing this, take the idle adjust screws out
      >> and spray in there also.  favor the lean side on the float adjustments,
      >> put the arms so they go level with the carbs upside down and the up
      >> slightly for the lean side.
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      >> kitfoxmike
      >> kitfox4 1200 912ul speedster
      >> http://www.frappr.com/kitfoxmike
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      >> Read this topic online here:
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| Subject:  | Rotax 582 high EGT | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Gill Levesque <canpilot03@yahoo.ca>
      
      Hi all!,
         
         Recently I had the EGT,s on my 582 spike up to 1300 +deg. I immediatly throttled
      back  from cruise (5800) and they came down ,as they should! OAT was about
      35 deg. Upon landing and removing the cowlings I noticed the exhaust manifold
      was leaking a bit and I tightened the bolts! I started to check all kinds of
      stuff and found the carb sockets were a bit weather checked! Could either of
      these cause high EGT,s ? Can any of you 582ers suggest other things I should check?
      
          Thanks 
                                           Gil Levesque 
                                           C-IGVL
      
      		
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| Subject:  | Re: (lost posts) was Re: 912 needle valves | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com>
      
      are you using the bbs forum interface.
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewforum.php?f=8&sid=eb719656c076946382934a085fff0acb
      
      --------
      kitfoxmike
      kitfox4 1200 912ul speedster
      http://www.frappr.com/kitfoxmike
      
      
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=23958#23958
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
       
       
       
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Rotax 582 high EGT | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Aerobatics@aol.com
      
       
      In a message dated 3/24/2006 10:58:40 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
      canpilot03@yahoo.ca writes:
      
      
      Hi  all!,
      
      Recently I had the EGT,s on my 582  spike up to 1300 +deg. I immediatly 
      throttled back  from cruise (5800)  and they came down ,as they should! OAT was
      
      about 35 deg. Upon landing and  removing the cowlings I noticed the exhaust 
      manifold was leaking a bit and I  tightened the bolts! I started to check all kinds
      
      of stuff and found the carb  sockets were a bit weather checked! Could either 
      of these cause high EGT,s ?  Can any of you 582ers suggest other things I 
      should check? 
      Thanks 
      Gil  Levesque 
      C-IGVL
      
      
      The colder the weather the higher the EGT.....  if there is ANY leak  in the 
      carb socket it will run leaner.... very bad.   Personally I  dont think a 
      small exhaust leak can cause you high egt, but could be  wrong.  But any exhaust
      
      leak is also bad...  Its common to raise the  needle in winter, lower in 
      summer...
       
      Dave  
       
      KF 2  582 BH  280 hours
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
       
       
       
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Anybody using a Corvair Engine? | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net
      
      firewall forward weights tend to be a little hazy, but....
      Clem has the weight his finished Fox and my Classic IV with every faring, speed
      mod known to man weighs about 150# with a 912UL.  Thats the missing passenger
      in his scenario.
      
      As has been offerred frequently on the list, the alternate engines may have a place
      on the later models but for the IV and earlier the sacrafice might well be
      too great.
      
      John Kerr
      
      -------------- Original message -------------- 
      From: "Clem Nichols" <cnichols@scrtc.com> 
      
      > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clem Nichols" 
      > 
      > One comment to anyone considering a Corvair engine in a Model IV 1200. My 
      > plane came equipped with a Subaru EA 81 engine. The installed weight of 
      > that engine is in the neighborhood of 230 pounds if memory serves me 
      > correctly, or almost 100 pounds heavier than a Rotax 912S. The plane's 
      > empty weight is 820 pounds, so with my 180 pounds and 26 gallons of fuel I'm
      
      > only about 50 pounds below gross weight. What I have, therefore, is a 
      > single place plane with an extra seat which is good for charts, etc., but 
      > little else. According to Mr. Wynn's info on his website the Corvair is in 
      > the neighborhood of 230 pounds also which would lead to a similar situation.
      
      > For a model V or up the Corvair engine sounds like an interesting choice, 
      > but for a Model IV, in my humble opinion the plane's gross weight makes it a
      
      > poor choice. 
      > 
      > Clem Nichols 
      > Do Not Archive 
      > ----- Original Message ----- 
      > From: "Don Pearsall" 
      > To: 
      > Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 10:55 AM 
      > Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Anybody using a Corvair Engine? 
      > 
      > 
      > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" 
      > > 
      > > 
      > > Thanks for the info, Mark. 
      > > I am not against using a Corvair engine at all. I like to see alternative 
      > > engines being used as that means builders are being innovative. But, 
      > > putting 
      > > a heavy engine in a KF has its major disadvantages. I used to build KR-2s 
      > > and know of builders putting Corvairs in those, so it can't be too 
      > > expensive 
      > > or difficult. 
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      > > As everyone here knows, anytime you deviate from the designed specs of the
      
      > > kit, you invite problems. One change means 100 other changes need to be 
      > > made. And in the end, you end up with a heavy engine that puts out about 
      > > the 
      > > same HP as a Rotax 912. But that being said, it would be cool to see the 
      > > Corvair in a KF. 
      > > 
      > > Don Pearsall 
      > > 
      > > 
      > > -----Original Message----- 
      > > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com 
      > > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of mark thomson 
      > > Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 4:28 AM 
      > > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com 
      > > Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Anybody using a Corvair Engine? 
      > > 
      > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: mark thomson 
      > > 
      > > Don I have to disagree with you on the corvair engines,I have been to 
      > > william wynnes corvair college here in florida and was so impressed with 
      > > what he and his staff have done with the corvair motor in comparison to a 
      > > certified engine..there is no comparison.1500hr TBO time,lowrpm cruise,and
      
      > > a 
      > > no power plant failure yet,plus $2500 to do a complete rebuild and 
      > > aircraft 
      > > conversion by william wynnes specs.I recommend looking at william wynnes 
      > > site and attending one of his colleges if anyone is serious about the 
      > > corvair engine,I feel that this is a very suitable aircraft engine with an
      
      > > excellent record of performance. 
      > > I also have a kitfox 4 model powered with a VW engine,but if and when I 
      > > have to change engines I would go with a corvair engine way before I would
      
      > > use a 912 or 914 rotax. 
      > > 
      > > Sincerely Mark Thomson 
      > > N61AC 
      > > 
      > > 
      > > -----Original Message----- 
      > >>From: Don Pearsall 
      > >>Sent: Mar 20, 2006 6:13 PM 
      > >>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com 
      > >>Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Anybody using a Corvair Engine? 
      > >> 
      > >>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" 
      > >> 
      > >> 
      > >>Matt, 
      > >>I don't have any numbers in front of me, but I think Corvair engines would
      
      > >>be way too big and heavy. Those are opposed 6 cylinders, and not built for
      
      > >>light weight. Add to that lack of parts availability, wide size, and the 
      > >>fact that they leak a quart of oil an hour. I don't think they make good 
      > >>airplane engines. 
      > >> 
      > >>Don Pearsall 
      > >> 
      > >> 
      > >>-----Original Message----- 
      > >>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com 
      > >>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Teixeira 
      > >>Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 2:59 PM 
      > >>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com 
      > >>Subject: Kitfox-List: Anybody using a Corvair Engine? 
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      > >>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Matt Teixeira" 
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      > >>Is anyone using a Corvair engine or seen one on a Kitfox? I saw one run 
      > >>on a test stand yesterday and I am very interested. 
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      > >>Thank you, 
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      > >>Matt K4-1200 
      > >>Fresno, CA 
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      firewall forward weights tend to be a little hazy, but....
      Clem has the weight his finished Fox and my Classic IV with every faring, speed
      mod known to man weighs about 150# with a 912UL. Thats the missing passenger
      in his scenario.
      
      As has been offerred frequently on the list, the alternate engines may have a place
      on the later models but for the IV and earlier the sacrafice might well be
      too great.
      
      John Kerr
      
      -------------- Original message -------------- 
      From: "Clem Nichols" cnichols@scrtc.com 
      
       -- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clem Nichols" <CNICHOLS@SCRTC.COM>
       
       One comment to anyone considering a Corvair engine in a Model IV 1200. My 
       plane came equipped with a Subaru EA 81 engine. The installed weight of 
       that engine is in the neighborhood of 230 pounds if memory serves me 
       correctly, or almost 100 pounds heavier than a Rotax 912S. The plane's 
       empty weight is 820 pounds, so with my 180 pounds and 26 gallons of fuel I'm 
       only about 50 pounds below gross weight. What I have, therefore, is a 
       single place plane with an extra seat which is good for charts, etc., but 
       little else. According to Mr. Wynn's info on his website the Corvair is in 
       the neighborhood of 230 pounds also which wou
       ld lead to a similar situation. 
       For a model V or up the Corvair engine sounds like an interesting choice, 
       but for a Model IV, in my humble opinion the plane's gross weight makes it a 
       poor choice. 
       
       Clem Nichols 
       Do Not Archive 
       ----- Original Message ----- 
       From: "Don Pearsall" <DONPEARSALL@COMCAST.NET>
       To: <KITFOX-LIST@MATRONICS.COM>
       Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 10:55 AM 
       Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Anybody using a Corvair Engine? 
       
       
        -- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" 
        <DONPEARSALL@COMCAST.NET>
        
        Thanks for the info, Mark. 
        I am not against using a Corvair engine at all. I like to see alternative 
        engines being used as that means builders are being innovative. But, 
        putting 
        a heavy engine in a KF has its major disadvantages. I used to build KR-2s <B
       R>  and know of builders putting Corvairs in those, so it can't be too 
        expensive 
        or difficult. 
        
        As everyone here knows, anytime you deviate from the designed specs of the 
        kit, you invite problems. One change means 100 other changes need to be 
        made. And in the end, you end up with a heavy engine that puts out about 
        the 
        same HP as a Rotax 912. But that being said, it would be cool to see the 
        Corvair in a KF. 
        
        Don Pearsall 
        
        
        -----Original Message----- 
        From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com 
        [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of mark thomson 
        Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 4:28 AM 
        To: kitfox-list@matronics.com 
        Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Anybody using a Corvair Engine? 
        
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       t;  -- Kitfox-List message posted by: mark thomson <KR2@EARTHLINK.NET>
        
        Don I have to disagree with you on the corvair engines,I have been to 
        william wynnes corvair college here in florida and was so impressed with 
        what he and his staff have done with the corvair motor in comparison to a 
        certified engine..there is no comparison.1500hr TBO time,lowrpm cruise,and 
        a 
        no power plant failure yet,plus $2500 to do a complete rebuild and 
        aircraft 
        conversion by william wynnes specs.I recommend looking at william wynnes 
        site and attending one of his colleges if anyone is serious about the 
        corvair engine,I feel that this is a very suitable aircraft engine with an 
        excellent record of performance. 
        I also have a kitfox 4 model powered with a VW engine,but if and when I 
        have to change engines
        I would go with a corvair engine way before I would 
        use a 912 or 914 rotax. 
        
        Sincerely Mark Thomson 
        N61AC 
        
        
        -----Original Message----- 
       From: Don Pearsall <DONPEARSALL@COMCAST.NET>
       Sent: Mar 20, 2006 6:13 PM 
       To: kitfox-list@matronics.com 
       Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Anybody using a Corvair Engine? 
        
       -- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" 
       <DONPEARSALL@COMCAST.NET> 
        
       Matt, 
       I don't have any numbers in front of me, but I think Corvair engines would 
       be way too big and heavy. Those are opposed 6 cylinders, and not built for 
       light weight. Add to that lack of parts availability, wide size, and the 
       fact that they leak a quart of oil an hour. I don't think they make 
       good 
       airplane engines. 
        
       Don Pearsall 
        
        
       -----Original Message----- 
       From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com 
       [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Teixeira 
       Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 2:59 PM 
       To: kitfox-list@matronics.com 
       Subject: Kitfox-List: Anybody using a Corvair Engine? 
        
       -- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Matt Teixeira" 
        <MTEIXEIRA@WMLYLESCO.COM>
        
        
        
       Is anyone using a Corvair engine or seen one on a Kitfox? I saw one run 
       on a test stand yesterday and I am very interested. 
        
       Thank you, 
        
       Matt K4-1200 
       Fresno, CA 
        
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| Subject:  | Re: Rotax 582 high EGT | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Robertson" <aerocontrols@clearwave.ca>
      
      Gil,
      Need a bit more info....
      
      What type of instrumentation do you have.... Analog, Digital etc?
      Unless your intake sockets are cracked all the way through they would not
      cause the spike in EGT
      (they should be replaced though)....
      The Exhaust leak also should not cause the problem unless it was "really"
      loose.
      Did the EGT consistently spike when you returned to cruise rpm?
      Did this happen on both cylinders or only one?
      What is your normal EGT at cruise?
      What is your peak RPM on take-off?
      It could be as simple as some water in the fuel or carb ice. or......?
      
      Let me know....
      
      
      regards
      Bob Robertson
      Light Engine Services Ltd.
      Rotax Service Center
      Aero Control Enterprises, Inc.
      St. Albert, Ab. T8N 1M8
      Ph: (Tech Support) 1-780-418-4164
      Ph: (Order Line) 1-866-418-4164 (TOLL FREE)
      www.rtx-av-engines.ca
      www.aerocontrols.net
      
      
      
      
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "Gill Levesque" <canpilot03@yahoo.ca>
      Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 8:53 AM
      Subject: Kitfox-List: Rotax 582 high EGT
      
      
      > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Gill Levesque <canpilot03@yahoo.ca>
      >
      > Hi all!,
      >
      >    Recently I had the EGT,s on my 582 spike up to 1300 +deg. I immediatly
      throttled back  from cruise (5800) and they came down ,as they should! OAT
      was about 35 deg. Upon landing and removing the cowlings I noticed the
      exhaust manifold was leaking a bit and I tightened the bolts! I started to
      check all kinds of stuff and found the carb sockets were a bit weather
      checked! Could either of these cause high EGT,s ? Can any of you 582ers
      suggest other things I should check?
      >     Thanks
      >                                      Gil Levesque
      >                                      C-IGVL
      >
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| Subject:  | Re: Anybody using a Corvair Engine? | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net
      
      Sorry, that was 150# less than Clem's.
      
      John
      
      -------------- Original message -------------- 
      From: kerrjohna@comcast.net 
      
      > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net 
      > 
      > firewall forward weights tend to be a little hazy, but.... 
      > Clem has the weight his finished Fox and my Classic IV with every faring, speed
      
      > mod known to man weighs about 150# with a 912UL. Thats the missing passenger
      in 
      > his scenario. 
      > 
      > As has been offerred frequently on the list, the alternate engines may have a
      
      > place on the later models but for the IV and earlier the sacrafice might well
      be 
      > too great. 
      > 
      > John Kerr 
      > 
      > -------------- Original message -------------- 
      > From: "Clem Nichols" 
      > 
      > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clem Nichols" 
      > > 
      > > One comment to anyone considering a Corvair engine in a Model IV 1200. My 
      > > plane came equipped with a Subaru EA 81 engine. The installed weight of 
      > > that engine is in the neighborhood of 230 pounds if memory serves me 
      > > correctly, or almost 100 pounds heavier than a Rotax 912S. The plane's 
      > > empty weight is 820 pounds, so with my 180 pounds and 26 gallons of fuel I'm
      
      > > only about 50 pounds below gross weight. What I have, therefore, is a 
      > > single place plane with an extra seat which is good for charts, etc., but 
      > > little else. According to Mr. Wynn's info on his website the Corvair is in
      
      > > the neighborhood of 230 pounds also which would lead to a similar situation.
      
      > > For a model V or up the Corvair engine sounds like an interesting choice, 
      > > but for a Model IV, in my humble opinion the plane's gross weight makes it
      a 
      > > poor choice. 
      > > 
      > > Clem Nichols 
      > > Do Not Archive 
      > > ----- Original Message ----- 
      > > From: "Don Pearsall" 
      > > To: 
      > > Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 10:55 AM 
      > > Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Anybody using a Corvair Engine? 
      > > 
      > > 
      > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" 
      > > > 
      > > > 
      > > > Thanks for the info, Mark. 
      > > > I am not against using a Corvair engine at all. I like to see alternative
      
      > > > engines being used as that means builders are being innovative. But, 
      > > > putting 
      > > > a heavy engine in a KF has its major disadvantages. I used to build KR-2s
      
      > > > and know of builders putting Corvairs in those, so it can't be too 
      > > > expensive 
      > > > or difficult. 
      > > > 
      > > > As everyone here knows, anytime you deviate from the designed specs of the
      
      > > > kit, you invite problems. One change means 100 other changes need to be 
      > > > made. And in the end, you end up with a heavy engine that puts out about
      
      > > > the 
      > > > same HP as a Rotax 912. But that being said, it would be cool to see the
      
      > > > Corvair in a KF. 
      > > > 
      > > > Don Pearsall 
      > > > 
      > > > 
      > > > -----Original Message----- 
      > > > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com 
      > > > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of mark thomson 
      > > > Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 4:28 AM 
      > > > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com 
      > > > Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Anybody using a Corvair Engine? 
      > > > 
      > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: mark thomson 
      > > > 
      > > > Don I have to disagree with you on the corvair engines,I have been to 
      > > > william wynnes corvair college here in florida and was so impressed with
      
      > > > what he and his staff have done with the corvair motor in comparison to a
      
      > > > certified engine..there is no comparison.1500hr TBO time,lowrpm cruise,and
      
      > > > a 
      > > > no power plant failure yet,plus $2500 to do a complete rebuild and 
      > > > aircraft 
      > > > conversion by william wynnes specs.I recommend looking at william wynnes
      
      > > > site and attending one of his colleges if anyone is serious about the 
      > > > corvair engine,I feel that this is a very suitable aircraft engine with an
      
      > > > excellent record of performance. 
      > > > I also have a kitfox 4 model powered with a VW engine,but if and when I 
      > > > have to change engines I would go with a corvair engine way before I would
      
      > > > use a 912 or 914 rotax. 
      > > > 
      > > > Sincerely Mark Thomson 
      > > > N61AC 
      > > > 
      > > > 
      > > > -----Original Message----- 
      > > >>From: Don Pearsall 
      > > >>Sent: Mar 20, 2006 6:13 PM 
      > > >>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com 
      > > >>Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Anybody using a Corvair Engine? 
      > > >> 
      > > >>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" 
      > > >> 
      > > >> 
      > > >>Matt, 
      > > >>I don't have any numbers in front of me, but I think Corvair engines would
      
      > > >>be way too big and heavy. Those are opposed 6 cylinders, and not built for
      
      > > >>light weight. Add to that lack of parts availability, wide size, and the
      
      > > >>fact that they leak a quart of oil an hour. I don't think they make good
      
      > > >>airplane engines. 
      > > >> 
      > > >>Don Pearsall 
      > > >> 
      > > >> 
      > > >>-----Original Message----- 
      > > >>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com 
      > > >>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Teixeira 
      > > >>Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 2:59 PM 
      > > >>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com 
      > > >>Subject: Kitfox-List: Anybody using a Corvair Engine? 
      > > >> 
      > > >>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Matt Teixeira" 
      > > > 
      > > >> 
      > > >> 
      > > >> 
      > > >>Is anyone using a Corvair engine or seen one on a Kitfox? I saw one run 
      > > >>on a test stand yesterday and I am very interested. 
      > > >> 
      > > >>Thank you, 
      > > >> 
      > > >>Matt K4-1200 
      > > >>Fresno, CA 
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      > firewall forward weights tend to be a little hazy, but.... 
      > Clem has the weight his finished Fox and my Classic IV with every faring, speed
      
      > mod known to man weighs about 150# with a 912UL. Thats the missing passenger
      in 
      > his scenario. 
      > 
      > As has been offerred frequently on the list, the alternate engines may have a
      
      > place on the later models but for the IV and earlier the sacrafice might well
      be 
      > too great. 
      > 
      > John Kerr 
      > 
      > -------------- Original message -------------- 
      > From: "Clem Nichols" cnichols@scrtc.com 
      > 
      > -- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clem Nichols" 
      > 
      > One comment to anyone considering a Corvair engine in a Model IV 1200. My 
      > plane came equipped with a Subaru EA 81 engine. The installed weight of 
      > that engine is in the neighborhood of 230 pounds if memory serves me 
      > correctly, or almost 100 pounds heavier than a Rotax 912S. The plane's 
      > empty weight is 820 pounds, so with my 180 pounds and 26 gallons of fuel I'm
      
      > only about 50 pounds below gross weight. What I have, therefore, is a 
      > single place plane with an extra seat which is good for charts, etc., but 
      > little else. According to Mr. Wynn's info on his website the Corvair is in 
      > the neighborhood of 230 pounds also which wou 
      > ld lead to a similar situation. 
      > For a model V or up the Corvair engine sounds like an interesting choice, 
      > but for a Model IV, in my humble opinion the plane's gross weight makes it a
      
      > poor choice. 
      > 
      > Clem Nichols 
      > Do Not Archive 
      > ----- Original Message ----- 
      > From: "Don Pearsall" 
      > To: 
      > Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 10:55 AM 
      > Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Anybody using a Corvair Engine? 
      > 
      > 
      > -- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" 
      > 
      > 
      > Thanks for the info, Mark. 
      > I am not against using a Corvair engine at all. I like to see alternative 
      > engines being used as that means builders are being innovative. But, 
      > putting 
      > a heavy engine in a KF has its major disadvantages. I used to build KR-2s > R>
      and know of builders putting Corvairs in those, so it can't be too 
      > expensive 
      > or difficult. 
      > 
      > As everyone here knows, anytime you deviate from the designed specs of the 
      > kit, you invite problems. One change means 100 other changes need to be 
      > made. And in the end, you end up with a heavy engine that puts out about 
      > the 
      > same HP as a Rotax 912. But that being said, it would be cool to see the 
      > Corvair in a KF. 
      > 
      > Don Pearsall 
      > 
      > 
      > -----Original Message----- 
      > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com 
      > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of mark thomson 
      > Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 4:28 AM 
      > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com 
      > Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Anybody using a Corvair Engine? 
      > 
      > &g 
      > t; -- Kitfox-List message posted by: mark thomson 
      > 
      > Don I have to disagree with you on the corvair engines,I have been to 
      > william wynnes corvair college here in florida and was so impressed with 
      > what he and his staff have done with the corvair motor in comparison to a 
      > certified engine..there is no comparison.1500hr TBO time,lowrpm cruise,and 
      > a 
      > no power plant failure yet,plus $2500 to do a complete rebuild and 
      > aircraft 
      > conversion by william wynnes specs.I recommend looking at william wynnes 
      > site and attending one of his colleges if anyone is serious about the 
      > corvair engine,I feel that this is a very suitable aircraft engine with an 
      > excellent record of performance. 
      > I also have a kitfox 4 model powered with a VW engine,but if and when I 
      > have to change engines 
      > I would go with a corvair engine way before I would 
      > use a 912 or 914 rotax. 
      > 
      > Sincerely Mark Thomson 
      > N61AC 
      > 
      > 
      > -----Original Message----- 
      > From: Don Pearsall 
      > Sent: Mar 20, 2006 6:13 PM 
      > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com 
      > Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Anybody using a Corvair Engine? 
      > 
      > -- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" 
      > 
      > 
      > Matt, 
      > I don't have any numbers in front of me, but I think Corvair engines would 
      > be way too big and heavy. Those are opposed 6 cylinders, and not built for 
      > light weight. Add to that lack of parts availability, wide size, and the 
      > fact that they leak a quart of oil an hour. I don't think they make 
      > good 
      > airplane engines. 
      > 
      > Don Pearsall 
      > 
      > 
      > -----Original Message----- 
      > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com 
      > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Teixeira 
      > Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 2:59 PM 
      > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com 
      > Subject: Kitfox-List: Anybody using a Corvair Engine? 
      > 
      > -- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Matt Teixeira" 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > Is anyone using a Corvair engine or seen one on a Kitfox? I saw one run 
      > on a test stand yesterday and I am very interested. 
      > 
      > Thank you, 
      > 
      > Matt K4-1200 
      > Fresno, CA 
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      Sorry, that was 150# less than Clem's.
      
      John
      
      -------------- Original message -------------- 
      From: kerrjohna@comcast.net 
      
       -- Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net 
       
       firewall forward weights tend to be a little hazy, but.... 
       Clem has the weight his finished Fox and my Classic IV with every faring, speed
      
       mod known to man weighs about 150# with a 912UL. Thats the missing passenger in
      
       his scenario. 
       
       As has been offerred frequently on the list, the alternate engines may have a
      
       place on the later models but for the IV and earlier the sacrafice might well
      be 
       too great. 
       
       John Kerr 
       
       -------------- Original message -------------- 
       From: "Clem Nichols" <CNICHOLS@SCRTC.COM>
       
        -- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clem Nichols" 
        
        One comment to anyo
       ne considering a Corvair engine in a Model IV 1200. My 
        plane came equipped with a Subaru EA 81 engine. The installed weight of 
        that engine is in the neighborhood of 230 pounds if memory serves me 
        correctly, or almost 100 pounds heavier than a Rotax 912S. The plane's 
        empty weight is 820 pounds, so with my 180 pounds and 26 gallons of fuel I'm
      
        only about 50 pounds below gross weight. What I have, therefore, is a 
        single place plane with an extra seat which is good for charts, etc., but 
        little else. According to Mr. Wynn's info on his website the Corvair is in 
        the neighborhood of 230 pounds also which would lead to a similar situation.
      
        For a model V or up the Corvair engine sounds like an interesting choice, 
        but for a Model IV, in my humble opinion the plane's gross weight makes it a
      
        poor choice. 
        
        Cle
       m Nichols 
        Do Not Archive 
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: "Don Pearsall" 
        To: 
        Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 10:55 AM 
        Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Anybody using a Corvair Engine? 
        
        
         -- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" 
         
         
         Thanks for the info, Mark. 
         I am not against using a Corvair engine at all. I like to see alternative 
         engines being used as that means builders are being innovative. But, 
         putting 
         a heavy engine in a KF has its major disadvantages. I used to build KR-2s 
         and know of builders putting Corvairs in those, so it can't be too 
         expensive 
         or difficult. 
         
         As everyone here knows, anytime you deviate from the desi
       gned specs of the 
         kit, you invite problems. One change means 100 other changes need to be 
         made. And in the end, you end up with a heavy engine that puts out about 
         the 
         same HP as a Rotax 912. But that being said, it would be cool to see the 
         Corvair in a KF. 
         
         Don Pearsall 
         
         
         -----Original Message----- 
         From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com 
         [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of mark thomson 
         Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 4:28 AM 
         To: kitfox-list@matronics.com 
         Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Anybody using a Corvair Engine? 
         
         -- Kitfox-List message posted by: mark thomson 
         
         Don I have to disagree with you on
        the corvair engines,I have been to 
         william wynnes corvair college here in florida and was so impressed with 
         what he and his staff have done with the corvair motor in comparison to a 
         certified engine..there is no comparison.1500hr TBO time,lowrpm cruise,and 
         a 
         no power plant failure yet,plus $2500 to do a complete rebuild and 
         aircraft 
         conversion by william wynnes specs.I recommend looking at william wynnes 
         site and attending one of his colleges if anyone is serious about the 
         corvair engine,I feel that this is a very suitable aircraft engine with an 
         excellent record of performance. 
         I also have a kitfox 4 model powered with a VW engine,but if and when I 
         have to change engines I would go with a corvair engine way before I would 
         use a 91
       2 or 914 rotax. 
         
         Sincerely Mark Thomson 
         N61AC 
         
         
         -----Original Message----- 
        From: Don Pearsall 
        Sent: Mar 20, 2006 6:13 PM 
        To: kitfox-list@matronics.com 
        Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Anybody using a Corvair Engine? 
         
        -- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" 
         
         
        Matt, 
        I don't have any numbers in front of me, but I think Corvair engines would 
        be way too big and heavy. Those are opposed 6 cylinders, and not built for 
        light weight. Add to that lack of parts availability, wide size, and the 
        fact that they leak a quart of oil an hour. I don't think they make good 
        air
       plane engines. 
         
        Don Pearsall 
         
         
        -----Original Message----- 
        From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com 
        [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Teixeira 
        Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 2:59 PM 
        To: kitfox-list@matronics.com 
        Subject: Kitfox-List: Anybody using a Corvair Engine? 
         
        -- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Matt Teixeira" 
         
         
         
         
        Is anyone using a Corvair engine or seen one on a Kitfox? I saw one run 
        on a test stand yesterday and I am very interested. 
         
        Thank you, 
         
        Matt K4-1200 <
       BR>  Fresno, CA 
         
         
         
         
         
         
         
         
         
         
         
         
         
         
         
         
         
         
         
         
         
         
         
         
         
         
         
         
         
         
         
         
         
         
         
         
         
         
         
         
         
         
         
         
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       firewall forward weights tend to be a little hazy, but.... 
       Clem has the weight his finished Fox and my Classic IV with every faring, speed
      
       mod known to man weighs about 150# with a 912UL. Thats the missing passenger in
      
       his scenario. 
       
       As has been offerred frequently on the list, the alternate engines may have a
      
       place on the later models but for the IV and earlier the sacrafice might well
      be 
       too great. 
       
       John Kerr 
       
       -------------- Original message -------------- 
       From: "Clem Nichols" cnichols@scrtc.com 
       
       -- Kitfox-List mes
       sage posted by: "Clem Nichols" <CNICHOLS@SCRTC.COM>
       
       One comment to anyone considering a Corvair engine in a Model IV 1200. My 
       plane came equipped with a Subaru EA 81 engine. The installed weight of 
       that engine is in the neighborhood of 230 pounds if memory serves me 
       correctly, or almost 100 pounds heavier than a Rotax 912S. The plane's 
       empty weight is 820 pounds, so with my 180 pounds and 26 gallons of fuel I'm 
       only about 50 pounds below gross weight. What I have, therefore, is a 
       single place plane with an extra seat which is good for charts, etc., but 
       little else. According to Mr. Wynn's info on his website the Corvair is in 
       the neighborhood of 230 pounds also which wou 
       ld lead to a similar situation. 
       For a model V or up the Corvair engine sounds like an interesting choice, 
       but for a Model IV, in my humble opinion the plane's gross weight makes it a 
       p
       oor choice. 
       
       Clem Nichols 
       Do Not Archive 
       ----- Original Message ----- 
       From: "Don Pearsall" <DONPEARSALL@COMCAST.NET>
       To: <KITFOX-LIST@MATRONICS.COM>
       Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 10:55 AM 
       Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Anybody using a Corvair Engine? 
       
       
       -- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" 
       <DONPEARSALL@COMCAST.NET>
       
       Thanks for the info, Mark. 
       I am not against using a Corvair engine at all. I like to see alternative 
       engines being used as that means builders are being innovative. But, 
       putting 
       a heavy engine in a KF has its major disadvantages. I used to build KR-2s <B 
       R and know of builders putting Corvairs in those, so it can't be too 
       expensive 
       or difficult. 
       
       As everyone here knows, anytime you deviate from the designed specs of the 
       kit, you invite problems. On
       e change means 100 other changes need to be 
       made. And in the end, you end up with a heavy engine that puts out about 
       the 
       same HP as a Rotax 912. But that being said, it would be cool to see the 
       Corvair in a KF. 
       
       Don Pearsall 
       
       
       -----Original Message----- 
       From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com 
       [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of mark thomson 
       Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 4:28 AM 
       To: kitfox-list@matronics.com 
       Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Anybody using a Corvair Engine? 
       
       g 
       t; -- Kitfox-List message posted by: mark thomson <KR2@EARTHLINK.NET>
       
       Don I have to disagree with you on the corvair engines,I have been to 
       william wynnes corvair college here in florida and was so impressed with 
       what he and his staff have done with the corvair motor in comparison to a 
       c
       ertified engine..there is no comparison.1500hr TBO time,lowrpm cruise,and 
       a 
       no power plant failure yet,plus $2500 to do a complete rebuild and 
       aircraft 
       conversion by william wynnes specs.I recommend looking at william wynnes 
       site and attending one of his colleges if anyone is serious about the 
       corvair engine,I feel that this is a very suitable aircraft engine with an 
       excellent record of performance. 
       I also have a kitfox 4 model powered with a VW engine,but if and when I 
       have to change engines 
       I would go with a corvair engine way before I would 
       use a 912 or 914 rotax. 
       
       Sincerely Mark Thomson 
       N61AC 
       
       
       -----Original Message----- 
       From: Don Pearsall <DONPEARSALL@COMCAST.NET>
       Sent: Mar 20, 2006 6:13 PM 
       To: kitfox-list@matronics.com 
       Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Anybody using a Corvair Engine? 
       <B
       R> -- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" 
       <DONPEARSALL@COMCAST.NET>
       
       Matt, 
       I don't have any numbers in front of me, but I think Corvair engines would 
       be way too big and heavy. Those are opposed 6 cylinders, and not built for 
       light weight. Add to that lack of parts availability, wide size, and the 
       fact that they leak a quart of oil an hour. I don't think they make 
       good 
       airplane engines. 
       
       Don Pearsall 
       
       
       -----Original Message----- 
       From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com 
       [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Teixeira 
       Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 2:59 PM 
       To: kitfox-list@matronics.com 
       Subject: Kitfox-List: Anybody using a Corvair Engine? 
       
       -- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Matt Teixeira" 
       <MTEIXEIRA@WMLYLESCO.COM>
       
       
       
      >
       ; Is anyone using a Corvair engine or seen one on a Kitfox? I saw one run 
       on a test stand yesterday and I am very interested. 
       
       Thank you, 
       
       Matt K4-1200 
       Fresno, CA 
       
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| Subject:  | Anybody using a Corvair Engine? | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy  Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
      
      
      "to bad we cant get a better gross weight on our kitfoxes."
      
      Mark,
      The Kitfox Series 7 (and 5 and 6) has a gross weight of 1550 lbs.  This
      gives close to 800 lbs useful load if you use the Rotax.   Still plenty if
      you use the corvair.
      
      Randy
      
      .           
      
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of mark thomson
      Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 8:44 PM
      Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Anybody using a Corvair Engine?
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: mark thomson <kr2@earthlink.net>
      
      Thanks guys for your input on the Corvair engine,I would agree that the
      engine is a heavier engine than the 912 and you are going to have to
      sacrifice alot  of your useful load,but the difference in cost is so
      significate that one must look at the corvair as an alternative
      engine......to bad we cant get a better gross weight on our kitfoxes.
      Maybe a good airboat engine?
       I am in need of a set of plans and or the owners manual to the kf4,would
      anyone possibly have a set they would copy for me ,or might know of where I
      could buy a set.
      
       Thanks for any help......Mark
      
      -----Original Message-----
      >From: Jeremy Casey <n79rt@kilocharlie.us>
      >Sent: Mar 23, 2006 9:34 AM
      >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
      >Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Anybody using a Corvair Engine?
      >
      >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeremy Casey" <n79rt@kilocharlie.us>
      >
      >
      >I recall talking to Frank Miller about the Corvair for the Kitfox IV, 
      >and he told me that it was way too heavy. Granted Wynne has done a nice 
      >job of making it into an aviation engine, but not for the IV.
      >  I seem to recall that I might have looked up applications for the 
      >Corvair engine on Wynne's site and that the Kitfox IV was not on the 
      >list, but I might be wrong in this case.
      >
      >Lynn
      >On Thursday, March 23, 2006, at 07:28  AM, mark thomson wrote:
      >
      ><snip>
      >
      >
      >Someone stated it already, but the Vair is in the O-200 weight
      >range...I've never heard of an O-200 on a IV... would probably be fine
      >on a 5-7 though.  
      >
      >Jeremy
      >
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| Subject:  | First impressions of a Kitfox III, and a few questions. | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Laundy <mikelaundy@yahoo.co.uk>
      
      Just got my Kitfox III, Unfortunately the vendor was unable to fly with me so I
      flew with a flying instructor who had a couple of hours in a Kitfox a couple
      of years back. Not ideal especially as we were using a farm strip with a 15 kt
      wind at 70deg off!
         
        My first inpressions were that it was no harder to fly than other taildraggers
      I have flown. Yaw damping below average and very little roll induced by rudder.
      Pitch control a little below average on the flare, but holding a bit of power
      seems to give better pitch control, I found 55 mph over the hedge (2 up)
      a little easier than 50 mph.
         
        I found it very easy to catch my size 11s on the brake pedals, I guess that's
      something I will have to get used to.
         
        I now have about 5 hours mainly ferrying the aircraft from London to Cornwall,
      just a couple of questions:
         
        What sort of RPM / IAS and fuel flow do you guys get in the cruise. I was flying
      at around 3000 ft temp 0c with 5500 RPM, That felt about right and gave me
      around 75 mph indicated.
         
        I had full tanks on departure from London but noticed the fuel rapidly decreasing
      on the left tank with no apparant decrease on the right.  I think I had not
      secured the right filler cap properly and fuel was feeding from the left tank
      and venting through the right tank.  
         
        Had major problems with the radio (brand new ICOM IC A24E). Very loud interference
      almost impossible to hear ground stations, and they told me after landing
      my transmissions were unreadable just a very loud buzz every time I transmitted.
      I am not sure if it is  aircraft interference or a fault on the radio. has
      anyone else had this problem?
         
        The aircraft has never been stored with its wings folded and there are no supporting
      brackets for the wings in the folded configuration  Does anyone have a
      drawing of the supporting brackets  as I will have to have a pair made up.
         
         I loved the aircraft, It is responsive especially in roll, has an acceptable
      rate of climb, and I really enjoyed flying it. I also have a brand new Garmin
      GPS map 296 which performed faultlessly, I am used to a GPS pilot III, I found
      the 296 very similar to programme but with a far superior display, overall very
      easy to use, and a great comfort when I had to make the unplanned diversion
      after loosing fuel.
         
        Mike 
         
         
         
         
      
      		
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| Subject:  | Re: (lost posts) was Re: 912 needle valves | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
      
      Hi, KitfoxMike,
      
      No - not using the bbs interface.  I guess I am showing my age.  The old 
      system was just fine - for thirteen years actually - until the new system 
      came along, I suppose.  I thought they were designed to play side by side.
      
      I looked at the bbs site and frankly, I don't like the format.  Maybe the 
      chat room guys do, but it's not for me.  Over the years I have learned a lot 
      about our airplanes and engines by reading nearly every post.  Also,  I like 
      to search a person's post history for the sake of understanding points of 
      view, expertise, etc and it's a one click effort to do that.  It looks like 
      I will need a tutorial to get going with the new format, We'll see.
      
      Anyway, It's just me and one old guy's opinion
      
      Lowell
      
      
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com>
      Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 9:03 AM
      Subject: Kitfox-List: (lost posts) was Re: 912 needle valves
      
      
      > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com>
      >
      > are you using the bbs forum interface.
      >
      > http://forums.matronics.com/viewforum.php?f=8&sid=eb719656c076946382934a085fff0acb
      >
      > --------
      > kitfoxmike
      > kitfox4 1200 912ul speedster
      > http://www.frappr.com/kitfoxmike
      >
      >
      > Read this topic online here:
      >
      > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=23958#23958
      >
      >
      > 
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
       
       
       
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Sportflight site | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
      
      Don P.
          Just tried to go to the Sportflight web site and big words pop up saying 
      "Hacked by two brothers".  What's happening?
      
      Don S. 
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
       
       
       
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Sportflight site | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
      
      It does look like some jerks did hack into it and replace the main page. I
      am trying to see what else they did. I don't know how they got into it, but
      I emailed my web provider and told them about it. I did notice that today
      some suspicious files were uploaded to the upload section and I deleted them
      immediately.
      
      I will keep you informed once I find out what I can do to solve this.
      Meanwhile nobody should try to download or upload anything to it.
      
      
      Don Pearsall
      Sound Appraisal
      Seattle, WA USA
      425-392.4627
      FAX 425-557-0107
      donpearsall@comcast.net
      http://www.soundappraisal.com
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Smythe
      Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 12:21 PM
      Subject: Kitfox-List: Sportflight site
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
      
      Don P.
          Just tried to go to the Sportflight web site and big words pop up saying
      
      "Hacked by two brothers".  What's happening?
      
      Don S. 
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
       
       
       
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
       
       
       
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Sportflight site | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
      
      Obviously Allah does fly a Kitfox
      Graeme
      Do not archive
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
      Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 6:21 AM
      Subject: Kitfox-List: Sportflight site
      
      
      > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
      >
      > Don P.
      >    Just tried to go to the Sportflight web site and big words pop up 
      > saying
      > "Hacked by two brothers".  What's happening?
      >
      > Don S.
      >
      >
      > -- 
      >
      > 
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
       
       
       
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Sportflight site | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
      
      I don't think you have to worry about uploading or downloading.  You can't 
      get past the front page.
      
      Do Not Archive
      Don S.
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      
      From: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
      Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:14 PM
      Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Sportflight site
      
      
      > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" 
      > <donpearsall@comcast.net>
      
      > Meanwhile nobody should try to download or upload anything to it.
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
       
       
       
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Sportflight site | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Glenn Horne" <glennflys@verizon.net>
      
      Don, Click on the web site at the bottom of the page.
      Looks like Arab to me.
      Glenn
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
      Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:46 PM
      Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Sportflight site
      
      
      > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
      >
      > I don't think you have to worry about uploading or downloading.  You can't
      > get past the front page.
      >
      > Do Not Archive
      > Don S.
      > ----- Original Message ----- 
      >
      > From: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
      > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
      > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:14 PM
      > Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Sportflight site
      >
      >
      >> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall"
      >> <donpearsall@comcast.net>
      >
      >> Meanwhile nobody should try to download or upload anything to it.
      >
      >
      > 
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
       
       
       
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Sportflight site | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
      
      OK, I had to restore the site from a back-up. Sorry for the problems. I
      guess Al Qaeda  wants to terrorize innocent Kitfox builders too. The way
      they got into the site was to upload a PHP script which they then ran from
      their computer. The controls on my web site should have prevented any
      scripts from running, but obviously they got around that.
      
      I have disabled free uploading to sportflight.com. If you would like to
      upload anything, please email it to me, and I can do it.
      
      Don Pearsall
      Admin
      
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Glenn Horne
      Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 2:14 PM
      Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Sportflight site
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Glenn Horne" <glennflys@verizon.net>
      
      Don, Click on the web site at the bottom of the page.
      Looks like Arab to me.
      Glenn
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
      Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:46 PM
      Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Sportflight site
      
      
      > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
      >
      > I don't think you have to worry about uploading or downloading.  You can't
      > get past the front page.
      >
      > Do Not Archive
      > Don S.
      > ----- Original Message ----- 
      >
      > From: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
      > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
      > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:14 PM
      > Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Sportflight site
      >
      >
      >> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall"
      >> <donpearsall@comcast.net>
      >
      >> Meanwhile nobody should try to download or upload anything to it.
      >
      >
      > 
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
       
       
       
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
       
       
       
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Rotax 582 high EGT | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Burke <jeburke94je@direcway.com>
      
      Gil, I had the same problem last summer. It would only happen on one carb. 
      and it would not happen on every flight. I had new carb. sockets, it was 
      jetted for the season and would fly normal (1100 deg) until it spiked. I 
      finely changed the float needle and adjusted the floats. Bingo the problem 
      has not returned. I now believe one of the float needles had stuck on 
      occasion, causing the fuel level in that carb. to run low. that making the 
      carb. run lean. Just something you may want to look at.
      
      Jim,N94JE
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: <Aerobatics@aol.com>
      Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 1:06 PM
      Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Rotax 582 high EGT
      
      
      > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Aerobatics@aol.com
      >
      >
      > In a message dated 3/24/2006 10:58:40 A.M. Central Standard Time,
      > canpilot03@yahoo.ca writes:
      >
      >
      > Hi  all!,
      >
      > Recently I had the EGT,s on my 582  spike up to 1300 +deg. I immediatly
      > throttled back  from cruise (5800)  and they came down ,as they should! 
      > OAT was
      > about 35 deg. Upon landing and  removing the cowlings I noticed the 
      > exhaust
      > manifold was leaking a bit and I  tightened the bolts! I started to check 
      > all kinds
      > of stuff and found the carb  sockets were a bit weather checked! Could 
      > either
      > of these cause high EGT,s ?  Can any of you 582ers suggest other things I
      > should check?
      > Thanks
      > Gil  Levesque
      > C-IGVL
      >
      >
      > The colder the weather the higher the EGT.....  if there is ANY leak  in 
      > the
      > carb socket it will run leaner.... very bad.   Personally I  dont think a
      > small exhaust leak can cause you high egt, but could be  wrong.  But any 
      > exhaust
      > leak is also bad...  Its common to raise the  needle in winter, lower in
      > summer...
      >
      > Dave
      >
      > KF 2  582 BH  280 hours
      >
      >
      > 
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
       
       
       
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: 912 needle valves | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Kaufjm@aol.com
      
       
      Kitfoxmike,
         I am not sure what, "the up slightly for the lean side"  means on the carb 
      adjustment.
      Also , the arms in the floats should be replace? 
       Thanks, 
       Jon   N153JK IV 1200
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
       
       
       
      
      
      
 
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