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Fri 03/24/06


Total Messages Posted: 22



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     1. 04:29 AM - Post (Bob Unternaehrer)
     2. 05:03 AM - TOW-BAR (Kem Dunnebacke)
     3. 05:31 AM - Re: TOW-BAR (KFN102LG@aol.com)
     4. 05:52 AM - Re: 582 rubber donut  (Marco Menezes)
     5. 07:01 AM - Re: (lost posts) was Re: 912 needle valves (Lowell Fitt)
     6. 08:57 AM - Rotax 582 high EGT (Gill Levesque)
     7. 09:04 AM - (lost posts) was Re: 912 needle valves (kitfoxmike)
     8. 10:08 AM - Re: Rotax 582 high EGT (Aerobatics@aol.com)
     9. 10:26 AM - Re: Anybody using a Corvair Engine? (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
    10. 10:32 AM - Re: Rotax 582 high EGT (Bob Robertson)
    11. 10:34 AM - Re: Anybody using a Corvair Engine? (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
    12. 10:52 AM - Re: Anybody using a Corvair Engine? (Randy Daughenbaugh)
    13. 11:51 AM - First impressions of a Kitfox III, and a few questions. (Michael Laundy)
    14. 12:09 PM - Re: (lost posts) was Re: 912 needle valves (Lowell Fitt)
    15. 12:22 PM - Sportflight site (Don Smythe)
    16. 01:18 PM - Re: Sportflight site (Don Pearsall)
    17. 01:21 PM - Re: Sportflight site (Graeme Toft)
    18. 01:47 PM - Re: Sportflight site (Don Smythe)
    19. 02:18 PM - Re: Sportflight site (Glenn Horne)
    20. 03:28 PM - Re: Sportflight site (Don Pearsall)
    21. 03:28 PM - Re: Rotax 582 high EGT (Jim Burke)
    22. 11:23 PM - Re: Re: 912 needle valves (Kaufjm@aol.com)
 
 
 


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    Time: 04:29:11 AM PST US
    From: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@mcmsys.com>
    Subject: Post
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@mcmsys.com> Matte, could you check my subscription, I can't post either. <e original message was received at Fri, 24 Mar 2006 06:05:40 -0600 from 24.brunw.mcmsys.com [12.105.158.224] ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- <kitfox-list@matronics.com> (reason: 553 sorry, relaying denied from your location [207.140.115.8] (#5.7.1)) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- ... while talking to mx2.speakeasy.net.: >>> RCPT To:<kitfox-list@matronics.com> <<< 553 sorry, relaying denied from your location [207.140.115.8] (#5.7.1) 550 5.1.1 <kitfox-list@matronics.com>... User unknown 451 4.4.1 reply: read error from mx2.speakeasy.net.>>> Blue Skies Bob Unternaehrer shilocom@mcmsys.com


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    Time: 05:03:59 AM PST US
    Subject: TOW-BAR
    From: "Kem Dunnebacke" <jboatm16@netzero.com>
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kem Dunnebacke" <jboatm16@netzero.com> Morning, could someone pass the plans,specs,or a couple of photo's on. of a tow-bar, if you have forsale will consider aswell. i would like to make one and it would be helpful to have somthing to work off of. thanks kem N492CLspeedster Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=23891#23891


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    Time: 05:31:22 AM PST US
    From: KFN102LG@aol.com
    Subject: Re: TOW-BAR
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: KFN102LG@aol.com I have one from my Model IV. It's long and heavy so finding one close to you would be a plus, not cheap to ship. I'm in central Connecticut. I'll forward a picture over the weekend. Larry


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    Time: 05:52:52 AM PST US
    From: Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: 582 rubber donut
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com> Exactly what I needed Bob. Thanks! do not archive aerocon1@telusplanet.net wrote: --> Kitfox-List message posted by: aerocon1@telusplanet.net Marco, Hopefully, you don't have thre rubber donut removed yet. There is a trick to getting it off so that is is easily reinstallable. First, get a large hose clamp that goes around the outside of the donut. Tighten the clamp around the circumference of the donut. This will stop it from expanding when the bolts are removed. It will lso make sure it keeps it shape so the bolt holes line up when you reassemble. Don't remove the clamp until the donut has been re-installed. Second, the proper was to lock the crank is by inserting a ROTAX locking pin into the impulse port on the engine (this is the $200.00 tool that costs $2.97). One of these pins should have been in the Rotax tool kit. You will have to insert the pin into the impulse port and slowly turn the engine over while lightly pushing on the pin.. There is a hole in the crankshaft that the pin will slip into..This will lock the crankshaft in place. Do not use a drill bit or any brittle metal rod. If it snaps you are looking at an engine dissasembly to get the broken part out. On a 582 thats a 10 hour job as the engine usually has to be completely broken down. There is another tool that bolts onto the flywheel that wil also lock the flywheel. It's quite a bit more money, but its's also used to pull the flywheel. Once you have the engine locked up you can easily remove the allen bolts. You should note the position of the washers under the bolts. One of the flat sides should face the outer edge of the donut and the other flat should face towards the center of the donut. This positioning is important so that the washer does not contact the bodt of the gear drive. The allen bolts on the C & E drive rubber donuts are fairly shallow. You will need a good quality allen wrench firmly pressed into the bolts in order to safely ermove them. Get a new wrench if yours is any way sloppy. Hope this helps Bob Robertson Quoting Marco Menezes : > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Marco Menezes > > List: > > Anybody know a trick for removing the 3 hex screws that hold the rubber > donut on the flywheel? Those puppies are loctited and torqued pretty good and > the whole crank wants to turn with them. Rotax probably has a $200 tool for > the job that I'd rather not buy for occasional use. > > > > > Marco Menezes > Model 2 582 N99KX > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marco Menezes Model 2 582 N99KX ---------------------------------


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    Time: 07:01:39 AM PST US
    From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Re: 912 needle valves
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net> Well, Don, I got 22 of the 46. I'll check on my side, but I haven't done anything here lately. Lowell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net> Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 7:12 PM Subject: RE: (lost posts) was Kitfox-List: Re: 912 needle valves > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" > <donpearsall@comcast.net> > > Lowell, yesterday there were 46 messages on the KF list. If you do not > have > that many, then you are missing some. Check your spam folder. It could be > the old problem of ISPs not delivering messages they think is spam > > Don Pearsall > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt > Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 4:06 PM > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: (lost posts) was Kitfox-List: Re: 912 needle valves > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net> > > Is anyone else losing the originals of some posts. The list is pretty > sparse as of late and then I get a reply to a post I haven't seen yet. It > makes me wonder what else is missing. > > Is anyone else experiencing this. Is this a function of the new what ever > it is feature that Matt announced a few months back? > > Lowell > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com> > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 1:35 PM > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: 912 needle valves > > >> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com> >> >> My advice is to change them, you will get the black tips from aircraft >> spruce, also get new pins and arms. Take some carb spray and inject into >> the different circuits while doing this, take the idle adjust screws out >> and spray in there also. favor the lean side on the float adjustments, >> put the arms so they go level with the carbs upside down and the up >> slightly for the lean side. >> >> -------- >> kitfoxmike >> kitfox4 1200 912ul speedster >> http://www.frappr.com/kitfoxmike >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=23779#23779 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >


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    Time: 08:57:36 AM PST US
    From: Gill Levesque <canpilot03@yahoo.ca>
    Subject: Rotax 582 high EGT
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Gill Levesque <canpilot03@yahoo.ca> Hi all!, Recently I had the EGT,s on my 582 spike up to 1300 +deg. I immediatly throttled back from cruise (5800) and they came down ,as they should! OAT was about 35 deg. Upon landing and removing the cowlings I noticed the exhaust manifold was leaking a bit and I tightened the bolts! I started to check all kinds of stuff and found the carb sockets were a bit weather checked! Could either of these cause high EGT,s ? Can any of you 582ers suggest other things I should check? Thanks Gil Levesque C-IGVL ---------------------------------


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    Time: 09:04:00 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: (lost posts) was Re: 912 needle valves
    From: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com>
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com> are you using the bbs forum interface. http://forums.matronics.com/viewforum.php?f=8&sid=eb719656c076946382934a085fff0acb -------- kitfoxmike kitfox4 1200 912ul speedster http://www.frappr.com/kitfoxmike Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=23958#23958


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    Time: 10:08:25 AM PST US
    From: Aerobatics@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Rotax 582 high EGT
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Aerobatics@aol.com In a message dated 3/24/2006 10:58:40 A.M. Central Standard Time, canpilot03@yahoo.ca writes: Hi all!, Recently I had the EGT,s on my 582 spike up to 1300 +deg. I immediatly throttled back from cruise (5800) and they came down ,as they should! OAT was about 35 deg. Upon landing and removing the cowlings I noticed the exhaust manifold was leaking a bit and I tightened the bolts! I started to check all kinds of stuff and found the carb sockets were a bit weather checked! Could either of these cause high EGT,s ? Can any of you 582ers suggest other things I should check? Thanks Gil Levesque C-IGVL The colder the weather the higher the EGT..... if there is ANY leak in the carb socket it will run leaner.... very bad. Personally I dont think a small exhaust leak can cause you high egt, but could be wrong. But any exhaust leak is also bad... Its common to raise the needle in winter, lower in summer... Dave KF 2 582 BH 280 hours


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    Time: 10:26:19 AM PST US
    From: kerrjohna@comcast.net
    Subject: Re: Anybody using a Corvair Engine?
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net firewall forward weights tend to be a little hazy, but.... Clem has the weight his finished Fox and my Classic IV with every faring, speed mod known to man weighs about 150# with a 912UL. Thats the missing passenger in his scenario. As has been offerred frequently on the list, the alternate engines may have a place on the later models but for the IV and earlier the sacrafice might well be too great. John Kerr -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Clem Nichols" <cnichols@scrtc.com> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clem Nichols" > > One comment to anyone considering a Corvair engine in a Model IV 1200. My > plane came equipped with a Subaru EA 81 engine. The installed weight of > that engine is in the neighborhood of 230 pounds if memory serves me > correctly, or almost 100 pounds heavier than a Rotax 912S. The plane's > empty weight is 820 pounds, so with my 180 pounds and 26 gallons of fuel I'm > only about 50 pounds below gross weight. What I have, therefore, is a > single place plane with an extra seat which is good for charts, etc., but > little else. According to Mr. Wynn's info on his website the Corvair is in > the neighborhood of 230 pounds also which would lead to a similar situation. > For a model V or up the Corvair engine sounds like an interesting choice, > but for a Model IV, in my humble opinion the plane's gross weight makes it a > poor choice. > > Clem Nichols > Do Not Archive > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Don Pearsall" > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 10:55 AM > Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Anybody using a Corvair Engine? > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" > > > > > > Thanks for the info, Mark. > > I am not against using a Corvair engine at all. I like to see alternative > > engines being used as that means builders are being innovative. But, > > putting > > a heavy engine in a KF has its major disadvantages. I used to build KR-2s > > and know of builders putting Corvairs in those, so it can't be too > > expensive > > or difficult. > > > > As everyone here knows, anytime you deviate from the designed specs of the > > kit, you invite problems. One change means 100 other changes need to be > > made. And in the end, you end up with a heavy engine that puts out about > > the > > same HP as a Rotax 912. But that being said, it would be cool to see the > > Corvair in a KF. > > > > Don Pearsall > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of mark thomson > > Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 4:28 AM > > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > > Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Anybody using a Corvair Engine? > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: mark thomson > > > > Don I have to disagree with you on the corvair engines,I have been to > > william wynnes corvair college here in florida and was so impressed with > > what he and his staff have done with the corvair motor in comparison to a > > certified engine..there is no comparison.1500hr TBO time,lowrpm cruise,and > > a > > no power plant failure yet,plus $2500 to do a complete rebuild and > > aircraft > > conversion by william wynnes specs.I recommend looking at william wynnes > > site and attending one of his colleges if anyone is serious about the > > corvair engine,I feel that this is a very suitable aircraft engine with an > > excellent record of performance. > > I also have a kitfox 4 model powered with a VW engine,but if and when I > > have to change engines I would go with a corvair engine way before I would > > use a 912 or 914 rotax. > > > > Sincerely Mark Thomson > > N61AC > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > >>From: Don Pearsall > >>Sent: Mar 20, 2006 6:13 PM > >>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > >>Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Anybody using a Corvair Engine? > >> > >>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" > >> > >> > >>Matt, > >>I don't have any numbers in front of me, but I think Corvair engines would > >>be way too big and heavy. Those are opposed 6 cylinders, and not built for > >>light weight. Add to that lack of parts availability, wide size, and the > >>fact that they leak a quart of oil an hour. I don't think they make good > >>airplane engines. > >> > >>Don Pearsall > >> > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > >>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Teixeira > >>Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 2:59 PM > >>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > >>Subject: Kitfox-List: Anybody using a Corvair Engine? > >> > >>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Matt Teixeira" > > > >> > >> > >> > >>Is anyone using a Corvair engine or seen one on a Kitfox? I saw one run > >>on a test stand yesterday and I am very interested. > >> > >>Thank you, > >> > >>Matt K4-1200 > >>Fresno, CA > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > firewall forward weights tend to be a little hazy, but.... Clem has the weight his finished Fox and my Classic IV with every faring, speed mod known to man weighs about 150# with a 912UL. Thats the missing passenger in his scenario. As has been offerred frequently on the list, the alternate engines may have a place on the later models but for the IV and earlier the sacrafice might well be too great. John Kerr -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Clem Nichols" cnichols@scrtc.com -- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clem Nichols" <CNICHOLS@SCRTC.COM> One comment to anyone considering a Corvair engine in a Model IV 1200. My plane came equipped with a Subaru EA 81 engine. The installed weight of that engine is in the neighborhood of 230 pounds if memory serves me correctly, or almost 100 pounds heavier than a Rotax 912S. The plane's empty weight is 820 pounds, so with my 180 pounds and 26 gallons of fuel I'm only about 50 pounds below gross weight. What I have, therefore, is a single place plane with an extra seat which is good for charts, etc., but little else. According to Mr. Wynn's info on his website the Corvair is in the neighborhood of 230 pounds also which wou ld lead to a similar situation. For a model V or up the Corvair engine sounds like an interesting choice, but for a Model IV, in my humble opinion the plane's gross weight makes it a poor choice. Clem Nichols Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Pearsall" <DONPEARSALL@COMCAST.NET> To: <KITFOX-LIST@MATRONICS.COM> Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 10:55 AM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Anybody using a Corvair Engine? -- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <DONPEARSALL@COMCAST.NET> Thanks for the info, Mark. I am not against using a Corvair engine at all. I like to see alternative engines being used as that means builders are being innovative. But, putting a heavy engine in a KF has its major disadvantages. I used to build KR-2s <B R> and know of builders putting Corvairs in those, so it can't be too expensive or difficult. As everyone here knows, anytime you deviate from the designed specs of the kit, you invite problems. One change means 100 other changes need to be made. And in the end, you end up with a heavy engine that puts out about the same HP as a Rotax 912. But that being said, it would be cool to see the Corvair in a KF. Don Pearsall -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of mark thomson Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 4:28 AM To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Anybody using a Corvair Engine? &g t; -- Kitfox-List message posted by: mark thomson <KR2@EARTHLINK.NET> Don I have to disagree with you on the corvair engines,I have been to william wynnes corvair college here in florida and was so impressed with what he and his staff have done with the corvair motor in comparison to a certified engine..there is no comparison.1500hr TBO time,lowrpm cruise,and a no power plant failure yet,plus $2500 to do a complete rebuild and aircraft conversion by william wynnes specs.I recommend looking at william wynnes site and attending one of his colleges if anyone is serious about the corvair engine,I feel that this is a very suitable aircraft engine with an excellent record of performance. I also have a kitfox 4 model powered with a VW engine,but if and when I have to change engines I would go with a corvair engine way before I would use a 912 or 914 rotax. Sincerely Mark Thomson N61AC -----Original Message----- From: Don Pearsall <DONPEARSALL@COMCAST.NET> Sent: Mar 20, 2006 6:13 PM To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Anybody using a Corvair Engine? -- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <DONPEARSALL@COMCAST.NET> Matt, I don't have any numbers in front of me, but I think Corvair engines would be way too big and heavy. Those are opposed 6 cylinders, and not built for light weight. Add to that lack of parts availability, wide size, and the fact that they leak a quart of oil an hour. I don't think they make good airplane engines. Don Pearsall -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Teixeira Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 2:59 PM To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Subject: Kitfox-List: Anybody using a Corvair Engine? -- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Matt Teixeira" <MTEIXEIRA@WMLYLESCO.COM> Is anyone using a Corvair engine or seen one on a Kitfox? I saw one run on a test stand yesterday and I am very interested. Thank you, Matt K4-1200 Fresno, CA &g t; ist Features Navigator to browse


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    Time: 10:32:47 AM PST US
    From: "Bob Robertson" <aerocontrols@clearwave.ca>
    Subject: Re: Rotax 582 high EGT
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Robertson" <aerocontrols@clearwave.ca> Gil, Need a bit more info.... What type of instrumentation do you have.... Analog, Digital etc? Unless your intake sockets are cracked all the way through they would not cause the spike in EGT (they should be replaced though).... The Exhaust leak also should not cause the problem unless it was "really" loose. Did the EGT consistently spike when you returned to cruise rpm? Did this happen on both cylinders or only one? What is your normal EGT at cruise? What is your peak RPM on take-off? It could be as simple as some water in the fuel or carb ice. or......? Let me know.... regards Bob Robertson Light Engine Services Ltd. Rotax Service Center Aero Control Enterprises, Inc. St. Albert, Ab. T8N 1M8 Ph: (Tech Support) 1-780-418-4164 Ph: (Order Line) 1-866-418-4164 (TOLL FREE) www.rtx-av-engines.ca www.aerocontrols.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gill Levesque" <canpilot03@yahoo.ca> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 8:53 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Rotax 582 high EGT > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Gill Levesque <canpilot03@yahoo.ca> > > Hi all!, > > Recently I had the EGT,s on my 582 spike up to 1300 +deg. I immediatly throttled back from cruise (5800) and they came down ,as they should! OAT was about 35 deg. Upon landing and removing the cowlings I noticed the exhaust manifold was leaking a bit and I tightened the bolts! I started to check all kinds of stuff and found the carb sockets were a bit weather checked! Could either of these cause high EGT,s ? Can any of you 582ers suggest other things I should check? > Thanks > Gil Levesque > C-IGVL > > > --------------------------------- > >


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    Time: 10:34:11 AM PST US
    From: kerrjohna@comcast.net
    Subject: Re: Anybody using a Corvair Engine?
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net Sorry, that was 150# less than Clem's. John -------------- Original message -------------- From: kerrjohna@comcast.net > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net > > firewall forward weights tend to be a little hazy, but.... > Clem has the weight his finished Fox and my Classic IV with every faring, speed > mod known to man weighs about 150# with a 912UL. Thats the missing passenger in > his scenario. > > As has been offerred frequently on the list, the alternate engines may have a > place on the later models but for the IV and earlier the sacrafice might well be > too great. > > John Kerr > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "Clem Nichols" > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clem Nichols" > > > > One comment to anyone considering a Corvair engine in a Model IV 1200. My > > plane came equipped with a Subaru EA 81 engine. The installed weight of > > that engine is in the neighborhood of 230 pounds if memory serves me > > correctly, or almost 100 pounds heavier than a Rotax 912S. The plane's > > empty weight is 820 pounds, so with my 180 pounds and 26 gallons of fuel I'm > > only about 50 pounds below gross weight. What I have, therefore, is a > > single place plane with an extra seat which is good for charts, etc., but > > little else. According to Mr. Wynn's info on his website the Corvair is in > > the neighborhood of 230 pounds also which would lead to a similar situation. > > For a model V or up the Corvair engine sounds like an interesting choice, > > but for a Model IV, in my humble opinion the plane's gross weight makes it a > > poor choice. > > > > Clem Nichols > > Do Not Archive > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Don Pearsall" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 10:55 AM > > Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Anybody using a Corvair Engine? > > > > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the info, Mark. > > > I am not against using a Corvair engine at all. I like to see alternative > > > engines being used as that means builders are being innovative. But, > > > putting > > > a heavy engine in a KF has its major disadvantages. I used to build KR-2s > > > and know of builders putting Corvairs in those, so it can't be too > > > expensive > > > or difficult. > > > > > > As everyone here knows, anytime you deviate from the designed specs of the > > > kit, you invite problems. One change means 100 other changes need to be > > > made. And in the end, you end up with a heavy engine that puts out about > > > the > > > same HP as a Rotax 912. But that being said, it would be cool to see the > > > Corvair in a KF. > > > > > > Don Pearsall > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > > > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of mark thomson > > > Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 4:28 AM > > > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > > > Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Anybody using a Corvair Engine? > > > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: mark thomson > > > > > > Don I have to disagree with you on the corvair engines,I have been to > > > william wynnes corvair college here in florida and was so impressed with > > > what he and his staff have done with the corvair motor in comparison to a > > > certified engine..there is no comparison.1500hr TBO time,lowrpm cruise,and > > > a > > > no power plant failure yet,plus $2500 to do a complete rebuild and > > > aircraft > > > conversion by william wynnes specs.I recommend looking at william wynnes > > > site and attending one of his colleges if anyone is serious about the > > > corvair engine,I feel that this is a very suitable aircraft engine with an > > > excellent record of performance. > > > I also have a kitfox 4 model powered with a VW engine,but if and when I > > > have to change engines I would go with a corvair engine way before I would > > > use a 912 or 914 rotax. > > > > > > Sincerely Mark Thomson > > > N61AC > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > >>From: Don Pearsall > > >>Sent: Mar 20, 2006 6:13 PM > > >>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > > >>Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Anybody using a Corvair Engine? > > >> > > >>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" > > >> > > >> > > >>Matt, > > >>I don't have any numbers in front of me, but I think Corvair engines would > > >>be way too big and heavy. Those are opposed 6 cylinders, and not built for > > >>light weight. Add to that lack of parts availability, wide size, and the > > >>fact that they leak a quart of oil an hour. I don't think they make good > > >>airplane engines. > > >> > > >>Don Pearsall > > >> > > >> > > >>-----Original Message----- > > >>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > > >>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Teixeira > > >>Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 2:59 PM > > >>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > > >>Subject: Kitfox-List: Anybody using a Corvair Engine? > > >> > > >>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Matt Teixeira" > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>Is anyone using a Corvair engine or seen one on a Kitfox? I saw one run > > >>on a test stand yesterday and I am very interested. > > >> > > >>Thank you, > > >> > > >>Matt K4-1200 > > >>Fresno, CA > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > firewall forward weights tend to be a little hazy, but.... > Clem has the weight his finished Fox and my Classic IV with every faring, speed > mod known to man weighs about 150# with a 912UL. Thats the missing passenger in > his scenario. > > As has been offerred frequently on the list, the alternate engines may have a > place on the later models but for the IV and earlier the sacrafice might well be > too great. > > John Kerr > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "Clem Nichols" cnichols@scrtc.com > > -- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clem Nichols" > > One comment to anyone considering a Corvair engine in a Model IV 1200. My > plane came equipped with a Subaru EA 81 engine. The installed weight of > that engine is in the neighborhood of 230 pounds if memory serves me > correctly, or almost 100 pounds heavier than a Rotax 912S. The plane's > empty weight is 820 pounds, so with my 180 pounds and 26 gallons of fuel I'm > only about 50 pounds below gross weight. What I have, therefore, is a > single place plane with an extra seat which is good for charts, etc., but > little else. According to Mr. Wynn's info on his website the Corvair is in > the neighborhood of 230 pounds also which wou > ld lead to a similar situation. > For a model V or up the Corvair engine sounds like an interesting choice, > but for a Model IV, in my humble opinion the plane's gross weight makes it a > poor choice. > > Clem Nichols > Do Not Archive > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Don Pearsall" > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 10:55 AM > Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Anybody using a Corvair Engine? > > > -- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" > > > Thanks for the info, Mark. > I am not against using a Corvair engine at all. I like to see alternative > engines being used as that means builders are being innovative. But, > putting > a heavy engine in a KF has its major disadvantages. I used to build KR-2s > R> and know of builders putting Corvairs in those, so it can't be too > expensive > or difficult. > > As everyone here knows, anytime you deviate from the designed specs of the > kit, you invite problems. One change means 100 other changes need to be > made. And in the end, you end up with a heavy engine that puts out about > the > same HP as a Rotax 912. But that being said, it would be cool to see the > Corvair in a KF. > > Don Pearsall > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of mark thomson > Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 4:28 AM > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Anybody using a Corvair Engine? > > &g > t; -- Kitfox-List message posted by: mark thomson > > Don I have to disagree with you on the corvair engines,I have been to > william wynnes corvair college here in florida and was so impressed with > what he and his staff have done with the corvair motor in comparison to a > certified engine..there is no comparison.1500hr TBO time,lowrpm cruise,and > a > no power plant failure yet,plus $2500 to do a complete rebuild and > aircraft > conversion by william wynnes specs.I recommend looking at william wynnes > site and attending one of his colleges if anyone is serious about the > corvair engine,I feel that this is a very suitable aircraft engine with an > excellent record of performance. > I also have a kitfox 4 model powered with a VW engine,but if and when I > have to change engines > I would go with a corvair engine way before I would > use a 912 or 914 rotax. > > Sincerely Mark Thomson > N61AC > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Don Pearsall > Sent: Mar 20, 2006 6:13 PM > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Anybody using a Corvair Engine? > > -- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" > > > Matt, > I don't have any numbers in front of me, but I think Corvair engines would > be way too big and heavy. Those are opposed 6 cylinders, and not built for > light weight. Add to that lack of parts availability, wide size, and the > fact that they leak a quart of oil an hour. I don't think they make > good > airplane engines. > > Don Pearsall > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Teixeira > Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 2:59 PM > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Kitfox-List: Anybody using a Corvair Engine? > > -- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Matt Teixeira" > > > > > Is anyone using a Corvair engine or seen one on a Kitfox? I saw one run > on a test stand yesterday and I am very interested. > > Thank you, > > Matt K4-1200 > Fresno, CA > > &g > t; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ist Features Navigator to browse > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry, that was 150# less than Clem's. John -------------- Original message -------------- From: kerrjohna@comcast.net -- Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net firewall forward weights tend to be a little hazy, but.... Clem has the weight his finished Fox and my Classic IV with every faring, speed mod known to man weighs about 150# with a 912UL. Thats the missing passenger in his scenario. As has been offerred frequently on the list, the alternate engines may have a place on the later models but for the IV and earlier the sacrafice might well be too great. John Kerr -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Clem Nichols" <CNICHOLS@SCRTC.COM> -- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clem Nichols" One comment to anyo ne considering a Corvair engine in a Model IV 1200. My plane came equipped with a Subaru EA 81 engine. The installed weight of that engine is in the neighborhood of 230 pounds if memory serves me correctly, or almost 100 pounds heavier than a Rotax 912S. The plane's empty weight is 820 pounds, so with my 180 pounds and 26 gallons of fuel I'm only about 50 pounds below gross weight. What I have, therefore, is a single place plane with an extra seat which is good for charts, etc., but little else. According to Mr. Wynn's info on his website the Corvair is in the neighborhood of 230 pounds also which would lead to a similar situation. For a model V or up the Corvair engine sounds like an interesting choice, but for a Model IV, in my humble opinion the plane's gross weight makes it a poor choice. Cle m Nichols Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Pearsall" To: Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 10:55 AM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Anybody using a Corvair Engine? -- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" Thanks for the info, Mark. I am not against using a Corvair engine at all. I like to see alternative engines being used as that means builders are being innovative. But, putting a heavy engine in a KF has its major disadvantages. I used to build KR-2s and know of builders putting Corvairs in those, so it can't be too expensive or difficult. As everyone here knows, anytime you deviate from the desi gned specs of the kit, you invite problems. One change means 100 other changes need to be made. And in the end, you end up with a heavy engine that puts out about the same HP as a Rotax 912. But that being said, it would be cool to see the Corvair in a KF. Don Pearsall -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of mark thomson Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 4:28 AM To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Anybody using a Corvair Engine? -- Kitfox-List message posted by: mark thomson Don I have to disagree with you on the corvair engines,I have been to william wynnes corvair college here in florida and was so impressed with what he and his staff have done with the corvair motor in comparison to a certified engine..there is no comparison.1500hr TBO time,lowrpm cruise,and a no power plant failure yet,plus $2500 to do a complete rebuild and aircraft conversion by william wynnes specs.I recommend looking at william wynnes site and attending one of his colleges if anyone is serious about the corvair engine,I feel that this is a very suitable aircraft engine with an excellent record of performance. I also have a kitfox 4 model powered with a VW engine,but if and when I have to change engines I would go with a corvair engine way before I would use a 91 2 or 914 rotax. Sincerely Mark Thomson N61AC -----Original Message----- From: Don Pearsall Sent: Mar 20, 2006 6:13 PM To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Anybody using a Corvair Engine? -- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" Matt, I don't have any numbers in front of me, but I think Corvair engines would be way too big and heavy. Those are opposed 6 cylinders, and not built for light weight. Add to that lack of parts availability, wide size, and the fact that they leak a quart of oil an hour. I don't think they make good air plane engines. Don Pearsall -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Teixeira Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 2:59 PM To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Subject: Kitfox-List: Anybody using a Corvair Engine? -- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Matt Teixeira" Is anyone using a Corvair engine or seen one on a Kitfox? I saw one run on a test stand yesterday and I am very interested. Thank you, Matt K4-1200 < BR> Fresno, CA <B R> firewall forward weights tend to be a little hazy, but.... Clem has the weight his finished Fox and my Classic IV with every faring, speed mod known to man weighs about 150# with a 912UL. Thats the missing passenger in his scenario. As has been offerred frequently on the list, the alternate engines may have a place on the later models but for the IV and earlier the sacrafice might well be too great. John Kerr -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Clem Nichols" cnichols@scrtc.com -- Kitfox-List mes sage posted by: "Clem Nichols" <CNICHOLS@SCRTC.COM> One comment to anyone considering a Corvair engine in a Model IV 1200. My plane came equipped with a Subaru EA 81 engine. The installed weight of that engine is in the neighborhood of 230 pounds if memory serves me correctly, or almost 100 pounds heavier than a Rotax 912S. The plane's empty weight is 820 pounds, so with my 180 pounds and 26 gallons of fuel I'm only about 50 pounds below gross weight. What I have, therefore, is a single place plane with an extra seat which is good for charts, etc., but little else. According to Mr. Wynn's info on his website the Corvair is in the neighborhood of 230 pounds also which wou ld lead to a similar situation. For a model V or up the Corvair engine sounds like an interesting choice, but for a Model IV, in my humble opinion the plane's gross weight makes it a p oor choice. Clem Nichols Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Pearsall" <DONPEARSALL@COMCAST.NET> To: <KITFOX-LIST@MATRONICS.COM> Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 10:55 AM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Anybody using a Corvair Engine? -- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <DONPEARSALL@COMCAST.NET> Thanks for the info, Mark. I am not against using a Corvair engine at all. I like to see alternative engines being used as that means builders are being innovative. But, putting a heavy engine in a KF has its major disadvantages. I used to build KR-2s <B R and know of builders putting Corvairs in those, so it can't be too expensive or difficult. As everyone here knows, anytime you deviate from the designed specs of the kit, you invite problems. On e change means 100 other changes need to be made. And in the end, you end up with a heavy engine that puts out about the same HP as a Rotax 912. But that being said, it would be cool to see the Corvair in a KF. Don Pearsall -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of mark thomson Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 4:28 AM To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Anybody using a Corvair Engine? g t; -- Kitfox-List message posted by: mark thomson <KR2@EARTHLINK.NET> Don I have to disagree with you on the corvair engines,I have been to william wynnes corvair college here in florida and was so impressed with what he and his staff have done with the corvair motor in comparison to a c ertified engine..there is no comparison.1500hr TBO time,lowrpm cruise,and a no power plant failure yet,plus $2500 to do a complete rebuild and aircraft conversion by william wynnes specs.I recommend looking at william wynnes site and attending one of his colleges if anyone is serious about the corvair engine,I feel that this is a very suitable aircraft engine with an excellent record of performance. I also have a kitfox 4 model powered with a VW engine,but if and when I have to change engines I would go with a corvair engine way before I would use a 912 or 914 rotax. Sincerely Mark Thomson N61AC -----Original Message----- From: Don Pearsall <DONPEARSALL@COMCAST.NET> Sent: Mar 20, 2006 6:13 PM To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Anybody using a Corvair Engine? <B R> -- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <DONPEARSALL@COMCAST.NET> Matt, I don't have any numbers in front of me, but I think Corvair engines would be way too big and heavy. Those are opposed 6 cylinders, and not built for light weight. Add to that lack of parts availability, wide size, and the fact that they leak a quart of oil an hour. I don't think they make good airplane engines. Don Pearsall -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Teixeira Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 2:59 PM To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Subject: Kitfox-List: Anybody using a Corvair Engine? -- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Matt Teixeira" <MTEIXEIRA@WMLYLESCO.COM> &gt ; Is anyone using a Corvair engine or seen one on a Kitfox? I saw one run on a test stand yesterday and I am very interested. Thank you, Matt K4-1200 Fresno, CA g t; ist Features Navigator to browse _- = - The Kitfox-List Email Forum -


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    Time: 10:52:39 AM PST US
    From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
    Subject: Anybody using a Corvair Engine?
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com> "to bad we cant get a better gross weight on our kitfoxes." Mark, The Kitfox Series 7 (and 5 and 6) has a gross weight of 1550 lbs. This gives close to 800 lbs useful load if you use the Rotax. Still plenty if you use the corvair. Randy . -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of mark thomson Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 8:44 PM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Anybody using a Corvair Engine? --> Kitfox-List message posted by: mark thomson <kr2@earthlink.net> Thanks guys for your input on the Corvair engine,I would agree that the engine is a heavier engine than the 912 and you are going to have to sacrifice alot of your useful load,but the difference in cost is so significate that one must look at the corvair as an alternative engine......to bad we cant get a better gross weight on our kitfoxes. Maybe a good airboat engine? I am in need of a set of plans and or the owners manual to the kf4,would anyone possibly have a set they would copy for me ,or might know of where I could buy a set. Thanks for any help......Mark -----Original Message----- >From: Jeremy Casey <n79rt@kilocharlie.us> >Sent: Mar 23, 2006 9:34 AM >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Anybody using a Corvair Engine? > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeremy Casey" <n79rt@kilocharlie.us> > > >I recall talking to Frank Miller about the Corvair for the Kitfox IV, >and he told me that it was way too heavy. Granted Wynne has done a nice >job of making it into an aviation engine, but not for the IV. > I seem to recall that I might have looked up applications for the >Corvair engine on Wynne's site and that the Kitfox IV was not on the >list, but I might be wrong in this case. > >Lynn >On Thursday, March 23, 2006, at 07:28 AM, mark thomson wrote: > ><snip> > > >Someone stated it already, but the Vair is in the O-200 weight >range...I've never heard of an O-200 on a IV... would probably be fine >on a 5-7 though. > >Jeremy > > > > > > >


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    Time: 11:51:53 AM PST US
    From: Michael Laundy <mikelaundy@yahoo.co.uk>
    Subject: First impressions of a Kitfox III, and a few questions.
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Laundy <mikelaundy@yahoo.co.uk> Just got my Kitfox III, Unfortunately the vendor was unable to fly with me so I flew with a flying instructor who had a couple of hours in a Kitfox a couple of years back. Not ideal especially as we were using a farm strip with a 15 kt wind at 70deg off! My first inpressions were that it was no harder to fly than other taildraggers I have flown. Yaw damping below average and very little roll induced by rudder. Pitch control a little below average on the flare, but holding a bit of power seems to give better pitch control, I found 55 mph over the hedge (2 up) a little easier than 50 mph. I found it very easy to catch my size 11s on the brake pedals, I guess that's something I will have to get used to. I now have about 5 hours mainly ferrying the aircraft from London to Cornwall, just a couple of questions: What sort of RPM / IAS and fuel flow do you guys get in the cruise. I was flying at around 3000 ft temp 0c with 5500 RPM, That felt about right and gave me around 75 mph indicated. I had full tanks on departure from London but noticed the fuel rapidly decreasing on the left tank with no apparant decrease on the right. I think I had not secured the right filler cap properly and fuel was feeding from the left tank and venting through the right tank. Had major problems with the radio (brand new ICOM IC A24E). Very loud interference almost impossible to hear ground stations, and they told me after landing my transmissions were unreadable just a very loud buzz every time I transmitted. I am not sure if it is aircraft interference or a fault on the radio. has anyone else had this problem? The aircraft has never been stored with its wings folded and there are no supporting brackets for the wings in the folded configuration Does anyone have a drawing of the supporting brackets as I will have to have a pair made up. I loved the aircraft, It is responsive especially in roll, has an acceptable rate of climb, and I really enjoyed flying it. I also have a brand new Garmin GPS map 296 which performed faultlessly, I am used to a GPS pilot III, I found the 296 very similar to programme but with a far superior display, overall very easy to use, and a great comfort when I had to make the unplanned diversion after loosing fuel. Mike ---------------------------------


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    Time: 12:09:57 PM PST US
    From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Re: (lost posts) was Re: 912 needle valves
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net> Hi, KitfoxMike, No - not using the bbs interface. I guess I am showing my age. The old system was just fine - for thirteen years actually - until the new system came along, I suppose. I thought they were designed to play side by side. I looked at the bbs site and frankly, I don't like the format. Maybe the chat room guys do, but it's not for me. Over the years I have learned a lot about our airplanes and engines by reading nearly every post. Also, I like to search a person's post history for the sake of understanding points of view, expertise, etc and it's a one click effort to do that. It looks like I will need a tutorial to get going with the new format, We'll see. Anyway, It's just me and one old guy's opinion Lowell ----- Original Message ----- From: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 9:03 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: (lost posts) was Re: 912 needle valves > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com> > > are you using the bbs forum interface. > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewforum.php?f=8&sid=eb719656c076946382934a085fff0acb > > -------- > kitfoxmike > kitfox4 1200 912ul speedster > http://www.frappr.com/kitfoxmike > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=23958#23958 > > >


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    Time: 12:22:36 PM PST US
    From: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
    Subject: Sportflight site
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net> Don P. Just tried to go to the Sportflight web site and big words pop up saying "Hacked by two brothers". What's happening? Don S.


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    Time: 01:18:02 PM PST US
    From: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
    Subject: Sportflight site
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net> It does look like some jerks did hack into it and replace the main page. I am trying to see what else they did. I don't know how they got into it, but I emailed my web provider and told them about it. I did notice that today some suspicious files were uploaded to the upload section and I deleted them immediately. I will keep you informed once I find out what I can do to solve this. Meanwhile nobody should try to download or upload anything to it. Don Pearsall Sound Appraisal Seattle, WA USA 425-392.4627 FAX 425-557-0107 donpearsall@comcast.net http://www.soundappraisal.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Smythe Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 12:21 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Sportflight site --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net> Don P. Just tried to go to the Sportflight web site and big words pop up saying "Hacked by two brothers". What's happening? Don S.


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    Time: 01:21:58 PM PST US
    From: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
    Subject: Re: Sportflight site
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net> Obviously Allah does fly a Kitfox Graeme Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net> Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 6:21 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Sportflight site > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net> > > Don P. > Just tried to go to the Sportflight web site and big words pop up > saying > "Hacked by two brothers". What's happening? > > Don S. > > > -- > >


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    Time: 01:47:27 PM PST US
    From: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: Sportflight site
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net> I don't think you have to worry about uploading or downloading. You can't get past the front page. Do Not Archive Don S. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:14 PM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Sportflight site > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" > <donpearsall@comcast.net> > Meanwhile nobody should try to download or upload anything to it.


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    Time: 02:18:51 PM PST US
    From: "Glenn Horne" <glennflys@verizon.net>
    Subject: Re: Sportflight site
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Glenn Horne" <glennflys@verizon.net> Don, Click on the web site at the bottom of the page. Looks like Arab to me. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:46 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Sportflight site > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net> > > I don't think you have to worry about uploading or downloading. You can't > get past the front page. > > Do Not Archive > Don S. > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net> > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:14 PM > Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Sportflight site > > >> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" >> <donpearsall@comcast.net> > >> Meanwhile nobody should try to download or upload anything to it. > > >


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    Time: 03:28:15 PM PST US
    From: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
    Subject: Sportflight site
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net> OK, I had to restore the site from a back-up. Sorry for the problems. I guess Al Qaeda wants to terrorize innocent Kitfox builders too. The way they got into the site was to upload a PHP script which they then ran from their computer. The controls on my web site should have prevented any scripts from running, but obviously they got around that. I have disabled free uploading to sportflight.com. If you would like to upload anything, please email it to me, and I can do it. Don Pearsall Admin -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Glenn Horne Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 2:14 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Sportflight site --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Glenn Horne" <glennflys@verizon.net> Don, Click on the web site at the bottom of the page. Looks like Arab to me. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:46 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Sportflight site > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net> > > I don't think you have to worry about uploading or downloading. You can't > get past the front page. > > Do Not Archive > Don S. > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net> > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:14 PM > Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Sportflight site > > >> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" >> <donpearsall@comcast.net> > >> Meanwhile nobody should try to download or upload anything to it. > > >


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    Time: 03:28:16 PM PST US
    From: Jim Burke <jeburke94je@direcway.com>
    Subject: Re: Rotax 582 high EGT
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Burke <jeburke94je@direcway.com> Gil, I had the same problem last summer. It would only happen on one carb. and it would not happen on every flight. I had new carb. sockets, it was jetted for the season and would fly normal (1100 deg) until it spiked. I finely changed the float needle and adjusted the floats. Bingo the problem has not returned. I now believe one of the float needles had stuck on occasion, causing the fuel level in that carb. to run low. that making the carb. run lean. Just something you may want to look at. Jim,N94JE ----- Original Message ----- From: <Aerobatics@aol.com> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 1:06 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Rotax 582 high EGT > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Aerobatics@aol.com > > > In a message dated 3/24/2006 10:58:40 A.M. Central Standard Time, > canpilot03@yahoo.ca writes: > > > Hi all!, > > Recently I had the EGT,s on my 582 spike up to 1300 +deg. I immediatly > throttled back from cruise (5800) and they came down ,as they should! > OAT was > about 35 deg. Upon landing and removing the cowlings I noticed the > exhaust > manifold was leaking a bit and I tightened the bolts! I started to check > all kinds > of stuff and found the carb sockets were a bit weather checked! Could > either > of these cause high EGT,s ? Can any of you 582ers suggest other things I > should check? > Thanks > Gil Levesque > C-IGVL > > > The colder the weather the higher the EGT..... if there is ANY leak in > the > carb socket it will run leaner.... very bad. Personally I dont think a > small exhaust leak can cause you high egt, but could be wrong. But any > exhaust > leak is also bad... Its common to raise the needle in winter, lower in > summer... > > Dave > > KF 2 582 BH 280 hours > > >


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    Time: 11:23:11 PM PST US
    From: Kaufjm@aol.com
    Subject: Re: 912 needle valves
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Kaufjm@aol.com Kitfoxmike, I am not sure what, "the up slightly for the lean side" means on the carb adjustment. Also , the arms in the floats should be replace? Thanks, Jon N153JK IV 1200




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