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1. 12:11 AM - Re: Re: First impressions of a Kitfox III, and a few questions. (Michael Laundy)
2. 03:13 AM - Re: First impressions of a Kitfox III, and a few questions. (HLJacoby1@aol.com)
3. 06:15 AM - FW: Model II leading edge (James C. Hartford)
4. 06:53 AM - Re: First impressions of a Kitfox III, and a few questions. (kitfoxmike)
5. 07:45 AM - Model II tail & 3 questions (Grant Bright)
6. 07:54 AM - Re: FW: Model II leading edge (Jerry Liles)
7. 08:10 AM - Re: Model II tail & 3 questions (Jerry Liles)
8. 08:19 AM - Re: FW: Model II leading edge (Lowell Fitt)
9. 10:29 AM - Re: Trutrak (Michel Verheughe)
10. 12:14 PM - Re: Model II tail & 3 questions (Michel Verheughe)
11. 01:42 PM - Re: First impressions of a Kitfox III, and a few questions. (Michael Laundy)
12. 01:48 PM - Oil type for Rotax 582 (Michael Laundy)
13. 02:31 PM - first flight classic VI (kirk hull)
14. 03:31 PM - Re: FW: Model II leading edge (James C. Hartford)
15. 04:12 PM - Re: Oil type for Rotax 582 (Don Smythe)
16. 04:30 PM - Re: FW: Model II leading edge (Bradley M Webb)
17. 04:33 PM - Re: Model II tail & 3 questions (Bradley M Webb)
18. 05:29 PM - Re: Oil type for Rotax 582 (USArmy)
19. 05:36 PM - Radio Noise (Rex Shaw)
20. 06:08 PM - few questions. raido noise (Malcolmbru@aol.com)
21. 07:38 PM - Re: few questions. raido noise (Clem Nichols)
22. 08:22 PM - ZK-RJA Cooling (John Anderson)
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| Subject: | Re: First impressions of a Kitfox III, and a few questions. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Laundy <mikelaundy@yahoo.co.uk>
Yes I am using a portable radio. I tried linking to the antenna mounted on the
aircraft and that line was dead. I tried using an extension lead with the antenna
that fixes to the radio, and as soon as I moved the antenna 2 ft from the
radio it started making a loud feedback sound (without transmitting).
I plan to meet up with a buddy with a similar radio to do a comparison and try
to find where the fault is.
Mike
kitfoxmike <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kitfoxmike"
Is that the portable radio? if so, what are you using for an entenna? If it's the
portable radio I use the same one for a secondary, but I have yet to use it
in the airplane, I have it set up to just use the units own entenna. If you are
using an external entenna, you might have the entenna hooked up wrong. If your
using the units entenna, you may need to hook up an external.
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kitfoxmike
kitfox4 1200 912ul speedster
http://www.frappr.com/kitfoxmike
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=24144#24144
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| Subject: | Re: First impressions of a Kitfox III, and a few questions. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: HLJacoby1@aol.com
Hi Michael,
I too have an IC-A24 radio in my plane. I had the same problem
and found it was the 12 Volt power adapter causing a low
frequency "growl" when I transmitted. I pulled the power adapter,
and the "growl" went away. I have not contacted Eastern Avionics
about this problem yet. I have been running on the internal
battery with no problems.
I have a Rotax 582 in my KF-II, and I also have a significant
amount of ignition noise on receive with the engine running.
I am hoping a set of resistor plugs will ameliorate the problem.
I am using an external antenna on the radio.
Best of luck to you.
Jake Jacoby
Kitfox Model - II N7183H
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| Subject: | Model II leading edge |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "James C. Hartford" <jhartford@hartford-engineering.com>
Thanks for the photo and the information Ron. Is there anyone that can
provide additional information on the use of the leading edge on a Model
II Wing?
Thanks
Jim Hartford
-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Liebmann [mailto:rliebmann@comcast.net]
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 8:23 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Model II leading edge
Hi Jim,
I built Model 2 #336 back in 1991 with the Model 2 wing which did not
include the plastic leading edge which was standard on the Model 4 and
higher wings. BUT......There have been some Model 2 owners who did put
the
plastic leading edge on their wings and said that there was improved
performance.
That was back in 1993 or 94 and I don't know if there is a record of it
to
be found. Ask the List if anyone knows of that being done. I would have
done
it if I had the leading edge material back then.
Ron N55KF Chicago area
> I just ran into another point of confusion. I purchased the Fuselage
and
> wing Kit from Denny's in 1990, but never was able to get to work on it
> until 2000. Purchased the remainder of the kits at that time, but
again
> had to differ work on the plane.
>
> Sky Star provided the products necessary to complete kit based on
using
> the original wing and filled in with Model IV parts where appropriate.
I
> am working on the wings and can find no reference to the 24019 leading
> edge in the Model II manual.
>
> The packing list for both the original and 2000 purchase show no
> reference to the leading edges. The Wing sections on the Model II and
> the Model IV are quite different and I am not sure that I should be
> installing the leading edge on the Model II wing.
>
> Can any of you provide some experience on this subject. I would like
to
> confirm the installation of the leading edge before moving forward.
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Jim Hartford
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: First impressions of a Kitfox III, and a few questions. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com>
I had a bunch of problems with my 912. If I had the strobes on and at an idle,
my transmissions were bad. I also had problems with a noise in the headsets.
I installed the recommended 24000mf capacitor into the system and it helped
a little, then I went and put a ground buss on and put all grounds to this.
That helped even more. Then I found my stereo was putting out noise and put a
gound loop interface on the speaker outputs to the intercom and that took care
of the rest. Now i can have everything on at idle and tower isn't complaining
because they can't here me.
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kitfoxmike
kitfox4 1200 912ul speedster
http://www.frappr.com/kitfoxmike
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=24351#24351
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| Subject: | Model II tail & 3 questions |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Grant Bright" <gbright@bellsouth.net>
Hello All,
Been reading the list for a while now and really appreciate
how great this Kitfox list is. The help and good nature of
everyone is very enjoyable and informative.
I've got the bug to get a Kitfox, but don't have the $$ to
get a model IV with a 912.
Am looking at a model II that has had a model III tail
installed (several years back) to improve handling.
1) Is out of the ballpark (Braves fan) to even think about
exchanging the wings and building series IV wings?
2) How many hours, with good care, can the 582 run?
3) Is pulling the head and de-carbonizing the pistons a
regular event? Or is a motor that needs this running too
rich/too much oil injected?
Not sure if there are many Kitfoxes in the Atlanta area (?).
If there are...we ought to have a fly in or a get together.
Many thanks for all help.
Thanks,
Grant
Atlanta, GA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Liles" <wliles@bayou.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 10:26 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Model II leading edge
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jerry Liles
> <wliles@bayou.com>
>
> Glad I could help.
>
> James C. Hartford wrote:
>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "James C. Hartford"
>><jhartford@hartford-engineering.com>
>>
>>Thanks Jerry this is what I suspected but it is good to
>>get a
>>conformation.
>>
>>Jim H
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf
>>Of Jerry Liles
>>Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 7:04 PM
>>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Model II leading edge
>>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jerry Liles
>><wliles@bayou.com>
>>
>>The Model II had an undercamber wing design by Dean
>>Wilson. It used the
>>
>>front spar as the leading edge and did not require the
>>leading edge
>>cuff. The cuff was for the Model IV and later wings that
>>used a new
>>design airfoil without the undercamber. The undercambered
>>wing is an
>>excellent STOL airfoil and nicely complements the
>>lightweight Model II.
>>
>>Jerry Liles
>>
>>James C. Hartford wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> page,
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Model II leading edge |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jerry Liles <wliles@bayou.com>
There were some who did use the leading edge cuff and claimed better
performance. Perhaps they did get a bit better top speed, but maybe
not. Personally I'm skeptical. The undercamber wing is designed for
STOL performance, a broad leading edge allows for a bit higher angle of
attack. If the leading edge cuff is installed as a droop type then it
will accentuate the effects of the undercamber and it may improve STOL a
bit, but maybe not. I think it adds weight and complexity to a design
noted for light weight, simplicity, good STOL performance, and
tremendous fun. It is an airplane designed to go out and "commit
aviation" just for the heck of it. It is a pasture airplane, not a high
speed go somewhere airplane unless you have lots of time and enjoy
seeing the countryside from low and slow (which I highly recommend).
Keep it simple, keep it light, and you'll keep it fun. Add all the
bells and whistles and it'll be a Kitpig and it still won't be fast.
Jerry Liles
James C. Hartford wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "James C. Hartford" <jhartford@hartford-engineering.com>
>
>Thanks for the photo and the information Ron. Is there anyone that can
>provide additional information on the use of the leading edge on a Model
>II Wing?
>
>Thanks
>Jim Hartford
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Ron Liebmann [mailto:rliebmann@comcast.net]
>Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 8:23 PM
>To: James C. Hartford
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Model II leading edge
>
>
>Hi Jim,
>
>I built Model 2 #336 back in 1991 with the Model 2 wing which did not
>include the plastic leading edge which was standard on the Model 4 and
>higher wings. BUT......There have been some Model 2 owners who did put
>the
>plastic leading edge on their wings and said that there was improved
>performance.
>That was back in 1993 or 94 and I don't know if there is a record of it
>to
>be found. Ask the List if anyone knows of that being done. I would have
>done
>it if I had the leading edge material back then.
>
>Ron N55KF Chicago area
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Model II tail & 3 questions |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jerry Liles <wliles@bayou.com>
Personally I don't see why you would want to go to all the trouble of
changing wings. The Wilson undercamber airfoil works wonderfully for
the Model II but it is possible to make a new set. The larger
tailfeathers are good for better longitudinal stability . The 582 is
recommended to be a 300hr TBO. Follow the maintenance schedule. There
are those who run them a lot longer but the succesful ones fly
frequently, don't abuse the engine and keep a close eye on performance.
Perhaps Mr Robertson will chime in on maintenance. The Model II is a
good, fun, low and slow, and cozy kind of airplane. If built
lightweight the shortfield performance will astonish you but you will be
very intimate with any passenger and you shouldn't be in a hurry to get
anywhere
Jerry Liles
Grant Bright wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Grant Bright" <gbright@bellsouth.net>
>
>Hello All,
>
>Been reading the list for a while now and really appreciate
>how great this Kitfox list is. The help and good nature of
>everyone is very enjoyable and informative.
>
>I've got the bug to get a Kitfox, but don't have the $$ to
>get a model IV with a 912.
>
>Am looking at a model II that has had a model III tail
>installed (several years back) to improve handling.
>
>1) Is out of the ballpark (Braves fan) to even think about
>exchanging the wings and building series IV wings?
>
>2) How many hours, with good care, can the 582 run?
>
>3) Is pulling the head and de-carbonizing the pistons a
>regular event? Or is a motor that needs this running too
>rich/too much oil injected?
>
>Not sure if there are many Kitfoxes in the Atlanta area (?).
>If there are...we ought to have a fly in or a get together.
>
>Many thanks for all help.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Grant
>
>Atlanta, GA
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Model II leading edge |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Jerry - Great post, I like the Kitpig part best. I guess that describes a
lot of our airplanes pretty well.
:-)
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Liles" <wliles@bayou.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 7:53 AM
Subject: Re: FW: Kitfox-List: Model II leading edge
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jerry Liles <wliles@bayou.com>
>
> There were some who did use the leading edge cuff and claimed better
> performance. Perhaps they did get a bit better top speed, but maybe
> not. Personally I'm skeptical. The undercamber wing is designed for
> STOL performance, a broad leading edge allows for a bit higher angle of
> attack. If the leading edge cuff is installed as a droop type then it
> will accentuate the effects of the undercamber and it may improve STOL a
> bit, but maybe not. I think it adds weight and complexity to a design
> noted for light weight, simplicity, good STOL performance, and
> tremendous fun. It is an airplane designed to go out and "commit
> aviation" just for the heck of it. It is a pasture airplane, not a high
> speed go somewhere airplane unless you have lots of time and enjoy
> seeing the countryside from low and slow (which I highly recommend).
> Keep it simple, keep it light, and you'll keep it fun. Add all the
> bells and whistles and it'll be a Kitpig and it still won't be fast.
> Jerry Liles
>
> James C. Hartford wrote:
>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "James C. Hartford"
>><jhartford@hartford-engineering.com>
>>
>>Thanks for the photo and the information Ron. Is there anyone that can
>>provide additional information on the use of the leading edge on a Model
>>II Wing?
>>
>>Thanks
>>Jim Hartford
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Ron Liebmann [mailto:rliebmann@comcast.net]
>>Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 8:23 PM
>>To: James C. Hartford
>>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Model II leading edge
>>
>>
>>Hi Jim,
>>
>>I built Model 2 #336 back in 1991 with the Model 2 wing which did not
>>include the plastic leading edge which was standard on the Model 4 and
>>higher wings. BUT......There have been some Model 2 owners who did put
>>the
>>plastic leading edge on their wings and said that there was improved
>>performance.
>>That was back in 1993 or 94 and I don't know if there is a record of it
>>to
>>be found. Ask the List if anyone knows of that being done. I would have
>>done
>>it if I had the leading edge material back then.
>>
>>Ron N55KF Chicago area
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
On Mar 22, 2006, at 1:17 AM, alnanarthur wrote:
> Now that you have been using the Trutrak Turn and Bank for a while,
> how do you like it?
Hello Allan, sorry for the late answer, I was in Poland for business,
and couldn't check my email before now.
I am very pleased with my TruTrak Pictorial turn coordinator. It's the
small one (2 1/4") as it is what fitted my panel. Like they say, the
moving sky (vs. the moving plane in a traditional turn coordinator) is
easier to interpret (in reality your plane is the instrument and
doesn't move). I have tried it with a hood and it is very easy to keep
the plane on a straight level as the instrument is very, very sensitive
to roll. It has no moving part (solid state) and only a step motor that
moves the background blue (sky) half circle. At US$ 445, it is worth
it.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Model II tail & 3 questions |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
On Mar 26, 2006, at 6:09 PM, Jerry Liles wrote:
> Personally I don't see why you would want to go to all the trouble of
> changing wings.
I have to agree with Jerry, Grant. I have a beautiful model 3 and I
don't see why I should need anything else. Why would you want the
model IV wings? To fly faster? But then you'll have to look at the
angle of attack and thickness of the windshield. How about the
flaperons? Do you intend to change them too? I think you should keep
things as they are and spend time flying this fun plane, instead of
building something new.
I had a 582 engine on my Kitfox, until I changed it for a Jabiru last
winter. The 582 (and Jabiru!) are great engines. The former requires
probably more care, as Jerry says. I used to open the engine and
de-carbonise every 50 hours. But I don't think it was really necessary.
I sold the engine at 270 hours and it went in our club's Rans and flew
another 200 hours, I think.
The engine can run more than the 300 TBO but you should have someone
who knows about the Rotax to have a look at it. If the engine has the
old crankshaft (before 1993, I think) you may need to change it at 300
hours. Or, you can try to get hold an engine block from a new "blue
top" 582, as I know of a friend who did it. As an extra measure of
safety, I also purchased the Conrod Clearance measuring tool. A simple
device that can measure the slack you have in your engine, crankshaft,
conrod and piston. I used to measure it every 10 hours and plot the
clearance. As long as it is constantly well under the tolerance, there
is nothing that will happen dramatically to you engine so fast. Give it
a good maintenance and you will love it. I am sure Bob Robertson, our
Rotax specialist will confirm that.
... this being said, the Jabiru is a very good engine too! :-)
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: First impressions of a Kitfox III, and a few questions. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Laundy <mikelaundy@yahoo.co.uk>
Thanks for the info Jake, I will try a remote antenna and see if that improves
things.
Mike
HLJacoby1@aol.com wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: HLJacoby1@aol.com
Hi Michael,
I too have an IC-A24 radio in my plane. I had the same problem
and found it was the 12 Volt power adapter causing a low
frequency "growl" when I transmitted. I pulled the power adapter,
and the "growl" went away. I have not contacted Eastern Avionics
about this problem yet. I have been running on the internal
battery with no problems.
I have a Rotax 582 in my KF-II, and I also have a significant
amount of ignition noise on receive with the engine running.
I am hoping a set of resistor plugs will ameliorate the problem.
I am using an external antenna on the radio.
Best of luck to you.
Jake Jacoby
Kitfox Model - II N7183H
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| Subject: | Oil type for Rotax 582 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Laundy <mikelaundy@yahoo.co.uk>
Any thoughts as to the best 2 stroke oil to use in the 582. Local motorcycle shop
has straight mineral, mineral / synthetic mix, and straight synthetic. They
suggested I found out what most other people used.
Thanks
Mike
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| Subject: | first flight classic VI |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kirk hull" <kirkhull@sbcglobal.net>
I am getting ready to to the first flight in a classic VI with a 100 HP
subaru and was wandering if anyone could give me some prelimanary # for
lift off
Clime speed
Approach
landing
stall clean
Stall with full Flaps
I am just looking for a baseline to start with from another classic VI with
similar HP
Thanks Kirk
classic VI N205AK
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| Subject: | Model II leading edge |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "James C. Hartford" <jhartford@hartford-engineering.com>
Thanks for all of the input. My objective is a light plane with almost
no bells and whistles. I am looking for good short field performance and
do not much care about speed. If the original design worked well I plan
to leave the leading edge on the rack and continue with the original
Model II design.
Jim H Western ND
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt
Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: FW: Kitfox-List: Model II leading edge
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Jerry - Great post, I like the Kitpig part best. I guess that
describes a
lot of our airplanes pretty well.
:-)
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Liles" <wliles@bayou.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 7:53 AM
Subject: Re: FW: Kitfox-List: Model II leading edge
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jerry Liles <wliles@bayou.com>
>
> There were some who did use the leading edge cuff and claimed better
> performance. Perhaps they did get a bit better top speed, but maybe
> not. Personally I'm skeptical. The undercamber wing is designed for
> STOL performance, a broad leading edge allows for a bit higher angle
of
> attack. If the leading edge cuff is installed as a droop type then it
> will accentuate the effects of the undercamber and it may improve STOL
a
> bit, but maybe not. I think it adds weight and complexity to a design
> noted for light weight, simplicity, good STOL performance, and
> tremendous fun. It is an airplane designed to go out and "commit
> aviation" just for the heck of it. It is a pasture airplane, not a
high
> speed go somewhere airplane unless you have lots of time and enjoy
> seeing the countryside from low and slow (which I highly recommend).
> Keep it simple, keep it light, and you'll keep it fun. Add all the
> bells and whistles and it'll be a Kitpig and it still won't be fast.
> Jerry Liles
>
> James C. Hartford wrote:
>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "James C. Hartford"
>><jhartford@hartford-engineering.com>
>>
>>Thanks for the photo and the information Ron. Is there anyone that can
>>provide additional information on the use of the leading edge on a
Model
>>II Wing?
>>
>>Thanks
>>Jim Hartford
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Ron Liebmann [mailto:rliebmann@comcast.net]
>>Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 8:23 PM
>>To: James C. Hartford
>>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Model II leading edge
>>
>>
>>Hi Jim,
>>
>>I built Model 2 #336 back in 1991 with the Model 2 wing which did not
>>include the plastic leading edge which was standard on the Model 4 and
>>higher wings. BUT......There have been some Model 2 owners who did put
>>the
>>plastic leading edge on their wings and said that there was improved
>>performance.
>>That was back in 1993 or 94 and I don't know if there is a record of
it
>>to
>>be found. Ask the List if anyone knows of that being done. I would
have
>>done
>>it if I had the leading edge material back then.
>>
>>Ron N55KF Chicago area
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Oil type for Rotax 582 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
Pennzoil for "AIR" cooled engines is widely used in the 582 and recommended
by many...
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Laundy" <mikelaundy@yahoo.co.uk>
Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 4:47 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Oil type for Rotax 582
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Laundy <mikelaundy@yahoo.co.uk>
>
> Any thoughts as to the best 2 stroke oil to use in the 582. Local
> motorcycle shop has straight mineral, mineral / synthetic mix, and
> straight synthetic. They suggested I found out what most other people
> used.
>
> Thanks
>
> Mike
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Model II leading edge |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bradley M Webb" <bmwebb@cox.net>
Absolutely awesome post! I'm still chuckling.
Bradley
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Liles
Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 10:54 AM
Subject: Re: FW: Kitfox-List: Model II leading edge
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jerry Liles <wliles@bayou.com>
There were some who did use the leading edge cuff and claimed better
performance. Perhaps they did get a bit better top speed, but maybe
not. Personally I'm skeptical. The undercamber wing is designed for
STOL performance, a broad leading edge allows for a bit higher angle of
attack. If the leading edge cuff is installed as a droop type then it
will accentuate the effects of the undercamber and it may improve STOL a
bit, but maybe not. I think it adds weight and complexity to a design
noted for light weight, simplicity, good STOL performance, and
tremendous fun. It is an airplane designed to go out and "commit
aviation" just for the heck of it. It is a pasture airplane, not a high
speed go somewhere airplane unless you have lots of time and enjoy
seeing the countryside from low and slow (which I highly recommend).
Keep it simple, keep it light, and you'll keep it fun. Add all the
bells and whistles and it'll be a Kitpig and it still won't be fast.
Jerry Liles
James C. Hartford wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "James C. Hartford"
<jhartford@hartford-engineering.com>
>
>Thanks for the photo and the information Ron. Is there anyone that can
>provide additional information on the use of the leading edge on a Model
>II Wing?
>
>Thanks
>Jim Hartford
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Ron Liebmann [mailto:rliebmann@comcast.net]
>Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 8:23 PM
>To: James C. Hartford
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Model II leading edge
>
>
>Hi Jim,
>
>I built Model 2 #336 back in 1991 with the Model 2 wing which did not
>include the plastic leading edge which was standard on the Model 4 and
>higher wings. BUT......There have been some Model 2 owners who did put
>the
>plastic leading edge on their wings and said that there was improved
>performance.
>That was back in 1993 or 94 and I don't know if there is a record of it
>to
>be found. Ask the List if anyone knows of that being done. I would have
>done
>it if I had the leading edge material back then.
>
>Ron N55KF Chicago area
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Model II tail & 3 questions |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bradley M Webb" <bmwebb@cox.net>
Grant,
I'm in Warner Robins with a Model 2/582. Come on down and I'll give you a
ride, and we can talk about it. Email me off-list, and I'll shoot you my
phone number.
Bradley
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Grant Bright
Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 10:44 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Model II tail & 3 questions
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Grant Bright" <gbright@bellsouth.net>
Hello All,
Been reading the list for a while now and really appreciate
how great this Kitfox list is. The help and good nature of
everyone is very enjoyable and informative.
I've got the bug to get a Kitfox, but don't have the $$ to
get a model IV with a 912.
Am looking at a model II that has had a model III tail
installed (several years back) to improve handling.
1) Is out of the ballpark (Braves fan) to even think about
exchanging the wings and building series IV wings?
2) How many hours, with good care, can the 582 run?
3) Is pulling the head and de-carbonizing the pistons a
regular event? Or is a motor that needs this running too
rich/too much oil injected?
Not sure if there are many Kitfoxes in the Atlanta area (?).
If there are...we ought to have a fly in or a get together.
Many thanks for all help.
Thanks,
Grant
Atlanta, GA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Liles" <wliles@bayou.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 10:26 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Model II leading edge
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jerry Liles
> <wliles@bayou.com>
>
> Glad I could help.
>
> James C. Hartford wrote:
>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "James C. Hartford"
>><jhartford@hartford-engineering.com>
>>
>>Thanks Jerry this is what I suspected but it is good to
>>get a
>>conformation.
>>
>>Jim H
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf
>>Of Jerry Liles
>>Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 7:04 PM
>>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Model II leading edge
>>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jerry Liles
>><wliles@bayou.com>
>>
>>The Model II had an undercamber wing design by Dean
>>Wilson. It used the
>>
>>front spar as the leading edge and did not require the
>>leading edge
>>cuff. The cuff was for the Model IV and later wings that
>>used a new
>>design airfoil without the undercamber. The undercambered
>>wing is an
>>excellent STOL airfoil and nicely complements the
>>lightweight Model II.
>>
>>Jerry Liles
>>
>>James C. Hartford wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> page,
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Oil type for Rotax 582 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "USArmy" <douglasarmy@lycos.com>
I have had very good results with penzoil
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=24461#24461
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
Michael Laundy <mikelaundy@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
...............
> Had major problems with the radio (brand new ICOM
> IC A24E). Very loud interference almost impossible
> to hear ground stations, and they told me after
> landing my transmissions were unreadable just a very
> loud buzz every time I transmitted. I am not sure if
> it is aircraft interference or a fault on the
> radio. has anyone else had this problem?
Hi ! Michael,
I am a retired electronics tech but sometimes that still doesn't
help. Anyway I have an Icom A20 mounted on my panel. It works fine now !
It is fed power from the plane and has an external antenna. It is connected through
the intercomm. I bought the plane secondhand and it came with lot's of noise
in the radio and intercomm. I made up a filter cicuit to feed the power to
the radio and the intercomm. This solved all my problems. The circuit is very
simple and anyone with very basic electronics skills could make it. If you would
like the circuit contact me direct and I'll send it to you with a few comments.
Now another instance we just sorted for a friend with a Rotax 277 in a 95-10
Ultralight. He uses a Delcom AIR960 handheld radio in the plane. He has a headset
on it and that's it. With the engine stopped or at low RPM it was fine but
by the time you got up to arond 5,000 RPM or more no one had a hope of deciphering
his transmissions. He could recieve fine. We tried lot's of things with
no luck. His radio was fine in my plane and my radio was fine in his. Just his
radio in his plane and only on transmit at higher RPM was a problem. I have David
Clark HD10-30 headsets and we tried one of mine in his plane with his radio
and that cured the problem. Don't ask me why because I can't explain that but
it did. Anyway in the end we just changed his microphone for a David Clark
M-1 and it's fine. We tried many other headsets and none were any good. Some worse
than others. As I say I can't explain this but I am passing it on in case
it helps.
Rex.
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| Subject: | few questions. raido noise |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Malcolmbru@aol.com
I have a model 2 582 and have no radio noise because of a radio shake
noise suppresser the price is under $10
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| Subject: | Re: few questions. raido noise |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clem Nichols" <cnichols@scrtc.com>
Malcolm:
What is a radio shake noise suppresser, and where can they be purchased?
Clem Nichols
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----- Original Message -----
From: <Malcolmbru@aol.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 8:06 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: few questions. raido noise
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Malcolmbru@aol.com
>
> I have a model 2 582 and have no radio noise because of a radio shake
> noise suppresser the price is under $10
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson" <janderson412@hotmail.com>
Did another 3 circuits after changing the heater feed line to radiator
return pipe and temp dropped approx 10deg. I also added another exit vent in
the top cowl so this may have contributed also.Seem I might be heading in
the right track.
Just can't get over how nice the Kitfox flies too!! Taxiing out and the
tower informed me that the grass was closed!!! So seal it was, planned to to
leave it for a while until I was more at home but it tracked as straight as
a die, very pleased indeed after all the discussion re toe in etc. John A.
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