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1. 01:54 AM - Re: Off topic: Agents! (kurt schrader)
2. 03:48 AM - Re: Another 'fox flies! (wwillyard@aol.com)
3. 04:55 AM - Re: Doors open (W Duke)
4. 05:28 AM - Re: Spammer (Rex)
5. 05:47 AM - Re: Another 'fox flies! (Lynn Matteson)
6. 05:58 AM - Re: Doors open (Jose M. Toro)
7. 06:06 AM - Re: Another 'fox flies! (Lynn Matteson)
8. 06:11 AM - Re: Off topic: Agents! (mscotter@comcast.net)
9. 06:15 AM - How do you refuel your kitfox? (wingnut)
10. 06:38 AM - First flight pictures...N369LM (Lynn Matteson)
11. 07:41 AM - Re: How do you refuel your kitfox? (Lowell Fitt)
12. 07:57 AM - Re: Restoration: Covering and Painting (Jose M. Toro)
13. 07:59 AM - Re: How do you refuel your kitfox? (Roger Standley)
14. 08:01 AM - Re: How do you refuel your kitfox? (Ben Baltrusaitis)
15. 08:04 AM - Re: How do you refuel your kitfox? (Bob Unternaehrer)
16. 08:23 AM - pictures... (Sid Hausding)
17. 08:24 AM - Re: Lift strut ends. (Guy Buchanan)
18. 08:32 AM - Avgas in 582 (Guy Buchanan)
19. 08:38 AM - Re: pictures... (Lynn Matteson)
20. 08:51 AM - Re: pictures... (ron schick)
21. 09:12 AM - Re: pictures... (Rex)
22. 09:17 AM - Re: Doors open (Michael Gibbs)
23. 09:45 AM - Re: Doors open (jdmcbean)
24. 09:48 AM - Re: Doors open (Clifford Begnaud)
25. 09:55 AM - Kitfox-List Cold weather flying (JeffFowler@aol.com)
26. 10:15 AM - Re: Re: Doors open Mike Gibbs (Jose M. Toro)
27. 10:15 AM - Re: Avgas in 582 (Harris, Robert)
28. 10:15 AM - Re: Kitfox-List Cold weather flying (Algate)
29. 10:47 AM - Re: How do you refuel your kitfox? (Fox5flyer)
30. 10:56 AM - Re: Re: Doors open Mike Gibbs (Lynn Matteson)
31. 11:18 AM - Re: How do you refuel your kitfox? (kitfoxmike)
32. 11:18 AM - Re: How do you refuel your kitfox? (wingnut)
33. 11:25 AM - Re: Kitfox-List Cold weather flying (kitfoxmike)
34. 11:26 AM - Re: Re: Doors open Mike Gibbs (Jose M. Toro)
35. 11:46 AM - Re: How do you refuel your kitfox? (kitfoxmike)
36. 11:48 AM - Re: Re: How do you refuel your kitfox? (Floran Higgins)
37. 11:59 AM - Re: How do you refuel your kitfox? (wingnut)
38. 12:03 PM - Michigan fly-in possibility (Lynn Matteson)
39. 12:08 PM - Re: How do you refuel your kitfox? (kitfoxmike)
40. 12:09 PM - Re: Michigan fly-in possibility (kitfoxmike)
41. 12:21 PM - Re: Doors open (Lowell Fitt)
42. 12:51 PM - Re: How do you refuel your kitfox? (wwillyard@aol.com)
43. 12:58 PM - Re: Michigan fly-in possibility (jeff puls)
44. 01:38 PM - Re: Lift strut ends. (Graeme Toft)
45. 01:43 PM - Re: Re: Michigan fly-in possibility (ron schick)
46. 02:09 PM - Re: How do you refuel your kitfox? (wingnut)
47. 02:31 PM - Re: Re: How do you refuel your kitfox? (Alan & Linda Daniels)
48. 03:27 PM - Press release hacked (Bruce Harrington)
49. 03:46 PM - Re: Avgas in 582 (Guy Buchanan)
50. 03:48 PM - Re: How do you refuel your kitfox? (kitfoxmike)
51. 04:10 PM - Re: Re: How do you refuel your kitfox? (Lowell Fitt)
52. 04:52 PM - Re: Michigan fly-in possibility (Malcolmbru@aol.com)
53. 05:05 PM - Re: Press release hacked (Lowell Fitt)
54. 06:02 PM - Re: Press release hacked (Don Pearsall)
55. 06:15 PM - Re: Re: How do you refuel your kitfox? (Floran Higgins)
56. 06:33 PM - Re: Press release hacked (neflyer48)
57. 06:37 PM - Re: Michigan fly-in possibility (Lynn Matteson)
58. 07:06 PM - Re: Michigan fly-in possibility (Lynn Matteson)
59. 08:02 PM - Re: Re: How do you refuel your kitfox? (Lynn Matteson)
60. 08:08 PM - Re: How do you refuel your kitfox? (Lynn Matteson)
61. 10:00 PM - Re: How do you refuel your kitfox? (Bob Unternaehrer)
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| Subject: | Off topic: Agents! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Hi Mark,
I was in Bogata Columbia at the time and these
"newbees" were at the computer terminals openly
talking and planning their Columbian drug and arms
busts. You could just "read" them. The one with his
own computer obviously had the data to steal. The 2
"off duty Marines" looked like they were ready for
inspection. The guy in the loafers was a desk jock
and not a "field" agent. Can't run in those shoes and
laces can come in handy for other things. The one (1)
who was all nervous and tried to blend in was
obviously on point.....under cover, except to a 5 year
old.... With this group behind him, he had reason to
be nervous. :-(
Saw maybe 10 in a group out for dinner the night
before, another group at the bar, and then this bunch
at the hotel computer terminals. Few showed any
attempt to blend in at all.
We felt a little too close to the "target" for those
who would like to stop these agents. I mean Amatures!
You'd think they could at least try to blend in and
keep their mouths shut in public.... Watch "Clear and
Present Danger" to see which vehicles they drove too.
Guess I am just grumpy in my old age, but it sure was
not an impressive show. I felt like asking the group
at the bar if they had ever been to Quantico, or did
they just take the correspondence course?
I wish our enemies were this obvious.
Do you know what I mean, Mark from MD?
Sorry for the off topic point y'all, but it was funny
to watch, in a way.
Kurt S.
--- mscotter@comcast.net wrote:
> Kurt, what type of 'agents' are you referring to and
> why are you surrounded by them?
> Mark Scott
> Elkton, MD USA
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| Subject: | Re: Another 'fox flies! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: wwillyard@aol.com
Lynn,
I have vacation time scheduled starting in May. I'll make a point of stopping in
for a visit.
Bill W.
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Hey Bill...long time, no see...dial up 3NP on your GPS, then go 2.4 NM
on a 137 magnetic heading, and you'll be at the field where my plane
lives... geez, it almost sounds like I know what I'm talking
about....that can be scary : )
Lynn
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: W Duke <n981ms@yahoo.com>
My first door open flight was unplanned. My latch failed with about 10 hours on
the plane. Of course the door opened unexpectedly. I slowed down. Landed.
Opened the other door and made a slow cruise back to my home airport. Many
subsequent flights with doors open. I keep the speed down to less than 80 to
avoid flutter.
Maxwell
Lowell Fitt <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt"
I have been flying a bit with the doors open and am curious of the
experienced others have had. I replaced the gas struts as I was haveing
some vibration - flutter in the pilot side door. The new gas struts solved
the problem with the door flutter.
As I recall, in previous posts on the subject, some said they open the doors
at a reduced speed and then will accellerate after opening to cruise. Am I
correct in this. And if so what speeds for opening and what top speeds have
been flown with open doors.
Has anyone experienced any pucker factor moments while flying this way and
if so what was the situation.
The main purpose for flying with the open doors is to get some photos
without having to contend with the lexan side windows.
Lowell
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Rex <gypsybee@copper.net>
Randy, Examine your filter settings for moving the Kitfox messages and
then look at the message that is not being filtered. I'm sure you will
learn why the filter is only doing what it is defined to do. If you wish
you can also add a rule to Delete any message that contains characters
such as "m_yasir" (or rather his full email address).
Rex
Colorado
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Randy Daughenbaugh wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
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>A question for you computer jockeys: How come this Sabri's emails stay in
>my personal box? I have a rule in my computer that moves all
>the Kitfox List mail to a separate box. (It keeps my wife happier...) But
>even though kitfox-list is in the title of his emails they don't get moved
>to the fox file. ???
>
>I think I have gotten 5 from him so far.
>
>Randy
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| Subject: | Re: Another 'fox flies! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Lay Jewett was driving a dragster at Stanton-McBride Dragway (now known
as the Mid-Michigan Motor Complex, I think) back in the early 60's and
was killed during a bad flip. (His family ran the Jewett Funeral Home
in Mason) I was just getting into drag racing and his death was a shock
to the local racing community.
Yes, please drop in...I'm spending more and more time there these days.
In fact, one of the RC guys at the other end of the field was out
yesterday to begin their season. He was flying a float plane off a
small pond adjacent to the far end of the runway. High winds (10-14,
gusts to 18mph) would have kept all but my biggest models parked, but
this guy could really fly that thing. On his 2nd flight, he used part
of the shore to finish his lift-off, then we heard the sound of the
prop hitting the corn stubble beyond that, and finally it lifted off,
flew around a few circuits then landed as sweet as could be in the
water. Upon further inspection, there were 3 or 4 holes ripped in the
wings by the corn stubble...but I digress...
Sorry to all for getting off topic...
Lynn
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On Thursday, March 30, 2006, at 10:24 PM, Kevin Cozik wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kevin Cozik"
> <Kcozik@cablespeed.com>
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> Lynn
> I guess I'm not old enough to remember Mr. Jewett. I know napoleon
> well
> because of the skydive operation there. I'll have to stop in at
> Howland
> field and look you up.
> I had a IV on aerocet amphibs at Mason Jewett for a few years.
> Kevin
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
Lowell:
I always fly my Kitfox with the doors open. Since the
cruising speed is 70, it is not a problem. Here in
the caribbean, cabin gets too warm if you close the
doors. Beside that, I come from the ultralights
world!
Jose
--- W Duke <n981ms@yahoo.com> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: W Duke
> <n981ms@yahoo.com>
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> My first door open flight was unplanned. My latch
> failed with about 10 hours on the plane. Of course
> the door opened unexpectedly. I slowed down.
> Landed. Opened the other door and made a slow
> cruise back to my home airport. Many subsequent
> flights with doors open. I keep the speed down to
> less than 80 to avoid flutter.
>
> Maxwell
>
> Lowell Fitt <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt"
>
> I have been flying a bit with the doors open and am
> curious of the
> experienced others have had. I replaced the gas
> struts as I was haveing
> some vibration - flutter in the pilot side door. The
> new gas struts solved
> the problem with the door flutter.
>
> As I recall, in previous posts on the subject, some
> said they open the doors
> at a reduced speed and then will accellerate after
> opening to cruise. Am I
> correct in this. And if so what speeds for opening
> and what top speeds have
> been flown with open doors.
>
> Has anyone experienced any pucker factor moments
> while flying this way and
> if so what was the situation.
>
> The main purpose for flying with the open doors is
> to get some photos
> without having to contend with the lexan side
> windows.
>
> Lowell
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Kitfox II/582->Jabiru 2200
"A slow flight in the Caribbean..."
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| Subject: | Re: Another 'fox flies! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Thanks, Bill...I look forward to that. Maybe I'll be flying by then, or
you can take mine up and see what you think.
Lynn
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On Friday, March 31, 2006, at 06:45 AM, wwillyard@aol.com wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: wwillyard@aol.com
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> Lynn,
> I have vacation time scheduled starting in May. I'll make a point of
> stopping in for a visit.
>
> Bill W.
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| Subject: | Off topic: Agents! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: mscotter@comcast.net
So much for covert ops, huh Kurt?!
Maybe they were just tryin' to impress the chicks at the bar...
My brother flys full time on C-130's with the Air Guard. They regularly do a rotation
down in Columbia, and according to him it's like being in a war zone down
there with all the drug interdiction stuff going on.
-Mark
So much for covert ops, huh Kurt?!
Maybe they were just tryin' to impress the chicks at the bar...
My brother flys full time on C-130's with the Air Guard. They regularly do a rotation
down in Columbia, and according to him it's like being in a war zone down
there with all the drug interdiction stuff going on.
-Mark
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| Subject: | How do you refuel your kitfox? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
My local airport will no longer be offering mogas so I have to figure out how to
get fuel to my airplane. A have a couple of 5 gallon plastic fuel tanks that
will do in a pinch but I was hoping to find something more convinient for the
long term. I looked at some fuel transfer tank solutions for my truck but they're
expensive. Just a smal dot approved tank is $500. What are other kitfox owners
doing?
Luis R.
824KF
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=25540#25540
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| Subject: | First flight pictures...N369LM |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Don Pearsall just let me know that he has posted my 1st flight photos
on Sportflight, under First Flights. I had submitted them to him, then
added a retouched (Photoshop) version of the liftoff shot. That one is
huge! (I was having fun making the plane "move" by using the bottom
cursor, and supplying my own "airplane sounds" ...Jabiru, that is...you
Rotax guys have another sound. : ) )
I was lamenting the fact that when I shot the liftoff, the ground-level
wind indicator was right in the way of the rear fuselage, so I called
on my experiences with Photoshop, and took out the offending sock and
pole. I couldn't recall how to decrease the size of the file so sent it
out as a JPEG file of 328 KB. The others are smaller, and sent out as
Kodak EasyShare files of about 31 KB, although these numbers are not
reflected as such on the Sportflight site. If anybody knows how to make
a smaller file from a JPEG, let me know. I tried saving as a PICT, and
a TIFF, but the size did not apparently change.
Lynn
Kitfox IV...Jabiru 2200
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| Subject: | Re: How do you refuel your kitfox? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Luis,
I use the gas cans. Mine are plastic, but that might move the topic to
static electricity. I was taught to put a towel on the wing - inboard where
the tank top is - and lift the can to the towel and pour. I use one of the
large filtering funnels.
I too have done a bit of looking at the possibilities of a hose from a pump
or suspended tank and none have grabbed me as better for the buck.
I know guys that will use the plastic water cans - the collapsable type with
the spigot on the bottom side. These you just heft to the wing and open the
spigot - no funnel.
I will usually keep at least one of my plastic cans full, so I can fill and
fly when I want and not worry about going to get the cans filled all the
time.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 6:15 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: How do you refuel your kitfox?
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
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> My local airport will no longer be offering mogas so I have to figure out
> how to get fuel to my airplane. A have a couple of 5 gallon plastic fuel
> tanks that will do in a pinch but I was hoping to find something more
> convinient for the long term. I looked at some fuel transfer tank
> solutions for my truck but they're expensive. Just a smal dot approved
> tank is $500. What are other kitfox owners doing?
>
> Luis R.
> 824KF
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=25540#25540
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| Subject: | Restoration: Covering and Painting |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
Thanks both Bradley and Ted for this valuable
information. Its about time to contact Aircraft
Spruce!
Jose
--- Bradley M Webb <bmwebb@cox.net> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bradley M Webb"
> <bmwebb@cox.net>
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> Thanks Ted. That's what I thought, but not too sure.
> Bradley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On
> Behalf Of flier
> Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 5:04 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com;
> kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Restoration: Covering and
> Painting
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> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier"
> <FLIER@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Sure Bradley. It's all polyester. It's the
> coatings
> that matter.
>
> I'd recommend 1.7/1.8oz as opposed to the heavier
> fabric. The heavier adds weight in coatings and is
> also more prone to move tubes when heat shrunk.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ted
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>
> --- Original Message ---
> From: "Bradley M Webb" <bmwebb@cox.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Restoration: Covering and
> Painting
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> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bradley M Webb"
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> <bmwebb@cox.net>
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> >Jose,
> >Stand by, and I'll look up the figures for you. Ok,
>
> the Kitfox requires: 26
> >yards, 70" wide, and 300 yards of 2" tape. I
> believe
> my Model 2 Denney
> >packing list said 32 yards of fabric in their kit,
> but that's the light
> >weight stuff. You might call P-Fiber or Aircraft
> Spruce to confirm. CPS says
> >you need 1 roll (?) reinforcing tape, 2 quarts
> Poly-
> tak, 2 Gallons Reducer,
> >3 gallons Poly-Brush, 4 gallons Poly-spray, 4
> gallons Major color, and 1
> >quart trim color. Of course, YMMV.
> >
> >Why are you using the med weight fabric?
> >
> >I have some literature from Poly-Fiber, I'll see
> what it says. Ok, Poly-tone
> >is satin gloss, fire-retardant, and the standard
> paint for the Poly-Fiber
> >process. Aero-Thane is Polyurethane paint that is
> glossy finish. It is more
> >expensive, too. No idea how they handle.
> >
> >Another question for the group: I need to
> repair/recover some parts of my
> >Model 2. I know the builder used Poly-brush (and I
> assume Poly-tak,
> >Poly-Spray and Aerothane), but I have no idea what
> fabric he used.
> >
> >He ordered 32 yds of 1.8 oz Dacron from Denney, and
>
> I assume he used it.
> >Does it matter which brand of fabric I use, as long
>
> as I use the same finish
> >and glue? If I have Ceconite on it now, can I mix
> Poly-Fiber for the patches
> >and such, while still using Poly-tak? I think so,
> but I need to confirm.
> >
> >Bradley
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> >[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On
> Behalf Of Jose M. Toro
> >Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 12:05 PM
> >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: Kitfox-List: Restoration: Covering and
> Painting
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> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro"
> <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
> >
> >Hi KF Guys:
> >
> >I will be shortly re-covering my Kitfox II. I
> intend
> >to use the complete polyfiber process including
> medium
> >polyfiber and poly fiber paints.
> >
> >I have no idea how much fabric, and what products I
> >should order. Do any of you have this information
> >readily available or can tell me where to find it?
> >
> >I understand that there are two different polyfiber
> >paints: Aerothane and Polytone. Which one do you
> >recommend? How many gallons should I order of
> paint,
> >polyspary, polybrush, etc. for the complete plane
> >including both the fuselage and the fabric?
> >
> >Thanks for your patience with this rookie!!!
> >
> >Jos
> >
> >Jose M. Toro, P.E.
> >Kitfox II/582->Jabiru 2200
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Kitfox II/582->Jabiru 2200
"A slow flight in the Caribbean..."
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| Subject: | Re: How do you refuel your kitfox? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Roger Standley" <taildragon@msn.com>
Luis,
You can use this link to search for airports that have mogas. But still, I would
also call the airport to confirm.
http://www.airnav.com/airports/search.html<http://www.airnav.com/airports/search.html>
Roger
----- Original Message -----
From: Lowell Fitt<mailto:lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 7:38 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: How do you refuel your kitfox?
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net<mailto:lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>>
Luis,
I use the gas cans. Mine are plastic, but that might move the topic to
static electricity. I was taught to put a towel on the wing - inboard where
the tank top is - and lift the can to the towel and pour. I use one of the
large filtering funnels.
I too have done a bit of looking at the possibilities of a hose from a pump
or suspended tank and none have grabbed me as better for the buck.
I know guys that will use the plastic water cans - the collapsable type with
the spigot on the bottom side. These you just heft to the wing and open the
spigot - no funnel.
I will usually keep at least one of my plastic cans full, so I can fill and
fly when I want and not worry about going to get the cans filled all the
time.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com<mailto:wingnut@spamarrest.com>>
To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>>
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 6:15 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: How do you refuel your kitfox?
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com<mailto:wingnut@spamarrest.com>>
>
> My local airport will no longer be offering mogas so I have to figure out
> how to get fuel to my airplane. A have a couple of 5 gallon plastic fuel
> tanks that will do in a pinch but I was hoping to find something more
> convinient for the long term. I looked at some fuel transfer tank
> solutions for my truck but they're expensive. Just a smal dot approved
> tank is $500. What are other kitfox owners doing?
>
> Luis R.
> 824KF
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> Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: How do you refuel your kitfox? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ben Baltrusaitis" <ben@gmpexpress.net>
I use 3 six-gallon plastic cans that I only put four gallons in so I can use the
built in spout without spilling on my wing.
Ben
----- Original Message -----
From: Lowell Fitt
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: 03/31/2006 10:38 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: How do you refuel your kitfox?
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Luis,
I use the gas cans. Mine are plastic, but that might move the topic to
static electricity. I was taught to put a towel on the wing - inboard where
the tank top is - and lift the can to the towel and pour. I use one of the
large filtering funnels.
I too have done a bit of looking at the possibilities of a hose from a pump
or suspended tank and none have grabbed me as better for the buck.
I know guys that will use the plastic water cans - the collapsable type with
the spigot on the bottom side. These you just heft to the wing and open the
spigot - no funnel.
I will usually keep at least one of my plastic cans full, so I can fill and
fly when I want and not worry about going to get the cans filled all the
time.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 6:15 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: How do you refuel your kitfox?
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
>
> My local airport will no longer be offering mogas so I have to figure out
> how to get fuel to my airplane. A have a couple of 5 gallon plastic fuel
> tanks that will do in a pinch but I was hoping to find something more
> convinient for the long term. I looked at some fuel transfer tank
> solutions for my truck but they're expensive. Just a smal dot approved
> tank is $500. What are other kitfox owners doing?
>
> Luis R.
> 824KF
>
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>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=3D25540#25540
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| Subject: | Re: How do you refuel your kitfox? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@mcmsys.com>
Go to the farm store like ORSCHELN, FARM & FLEET, TRACTOR SUPPLY etc and you
can buy a tank, pump and maybe a tool box on top for $500. Consider one
that is flush or nearly flush with the top of the bed, the others block the
view backing up, but other than that are OK. I'll send this direct also and
attach a pic of my fuel truck. Bob U.
----- Original Message -----
From: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 8:15 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: How do you refuel your kitfox?
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
>
> My local airport will no longer be offering mogas so I have to figure out
how to get fuel to my airplane. A have a couple of 5 gallon plastic fuel
tanks that will do in a pinch but I was hoping to find something more
convinient for the long term. I looked at some fuel transfer tank solutions
for my truck but they're expensive. Just a smal dot approved tank is $500.
What are other kitfox owners doing?
>
> Luis R.
> 824KF
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=25540#25540
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Sid Hausding <avidsid@yahoo.com>
Lynn,
Its too late for the aforementioned photos, but check now to see if you digital
camera has the "thumbnail" photo feature..........one that lets your camera
create and store a smaller, email sized copy of the original high mb and pixel
photo. Most digital cameras have the feature built in, but you need to chose
it...........sometimes they will look blurry on your computer as you view them,
but will come out okay to the end user and much smaller in megabyte size for
quick internet exchanging and uploading.
Sid
-----------amateur everything
Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson
Don Pearsall just let me know that he has posted my 1st flight photos
on Sportflight, under First Flights. I had submitted them to him, then
added a retouched (Photoshop) version of the liftoff shot. That one is
huge! (I was having fun making the plane "move" by using the bottom
cursor, and supplying my own "airplane sounds" ...Jabiru, that is...you
Rotax guys have another sound. : ) )
I was lamenting the fact that when I shot the liftoff, the ground-level
wind indicator was right in the way of the rear fuselage, so I called
on my experiences with Photoshop, and took out the offending sock and
pole. I couldn't recall how to decrease the size of the file so sent it
out as a JPEG file of 328 KB. The others are smaller, and sent out as
Kodak EasyShare files of about 31 KB, although these numbers are not
reflected as such on the Sportflight site. If anybody knows how to make
a smaller file from a JPEG, let me know. I tried saving as a PICT, and
a TIFF, but the size did not apparently change.
Lynn
Kitfox IV...Jabiru 2200
"Why can't we all just get along?"
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| Subject: | Re: Lift strut ends. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
At 07:54 PM 3/29/2006, you wrote:
>Hi Guys, I thought it might be a good idea to replace the lift strut
>ends
Hi Graeme,
I call them "rod ends". I have Aurora brand. If you look on the
rod end housing you may see a code like MW-4H-12. This indicates a MW
series, (general purpose - precision, right hand,) bearing with a 1/4 ball
bore and a 5/16 housing. I couldn't find what the "H" stood for.
A good source for these kinds of fittings is McMaster-Carr.
(www.mcmaster.com) Put "rod end" into the search box and then select "ball
joint rod end" on the left, then follow the pictures. I'd buy the highest
strength available in the size you want because some calculations on mine
indicated there was no excess of reserve factor.
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
I saw the thread on re-fueling and thought I'd ask if anyone thought using
100LL avgas with TCP in a 582 was a bad idea. I don't think I have the
patience for gas cans or to pursue non-alcohol auto fuel when on the road.
What do you think? Bad idea?
Thanks,
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Thanks, Sid.
I'll look into that info. When I use EasyShare, as I mentioned, they
leave here at 31KB, and take about a minute or so each to send out on
my phone line, and are very viewable on the receiving end. I'll have a
look at the thumbnail option.
Lynn
do not archive
On Friday, March 31, 2006, at 11:22 AM, Sid Hausding wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Sid Hausding <avidsid@yahoo.com>
>
> Lynn,
>
> Its too late for the aforementioned photos, but check now to see if
> you digital camera has the "thumbnail" photo feature..........one that
> lets your camera create and store a smaller, email sized copy of the
> original high mb and pixel photo. Most digital cameras have the
> feature built in, but you need to chose it...........sometimes they
> will look blurry on your computer as you view them, but will come out
> okay to the end user and much smaller in megabyte size for quick
> internet exchanging and uploading.
>
> Sid
> -----------amateur everything
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
I think hotmail accounts resize them automatically. Ron NB Ore
>From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: pictures...
>Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 11:38:11 -0500
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>
>Thanks, Sid.
>I'll look into that info. When I use EasyShare, as I mentioned, they
>leave here at 31KB, and take about a minute or so each to send out on
>my phone line, and are very viewable on the receiving end. I'll have a
>look at the thumbnail option.
>
>Lynn
>do not archive
>
>On Friday, March 31, 2006, at 11:22 AM, Sid Hausding wrote:
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Sid Hausding <avidsid@yahoo.com>
> >
> > Lynn,
> >
> > Its too late for the aforementioned photos, but check now to see if
> > you digital camera has the "thumbnail" photo feature..........one that
> > lets your camera create and store a smaller, email sized copy of the
> > original high mb and pixel photo. Most digital cameras have the
> > feature built in, but you need to chose it...........sometimes they
> > will look blurry on your computer as you view them, but will come out
> > okay to the end user and much smaller in megabyte size for quick
> > internet exchanging and uploading.
> >
> > Sid
> > -----------amateur everything
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Rex <gypsybee@copper.net>
Lynn,
If Sid's tip doesn't work for you try this. You mentioned using
Photoshop. Save a copy of the picture with a different name. Open the
new file in Photoshop. Check the Actual pixels display size in the View
menu and use the Image menu to adjust the size using "Image size". Once
you have the actual pixel size fitted on the screen for full viewing
look for "Save for Web" in the File menu. That will optimize the image
for web use. You can't do much better than that, but sometimes using the
Filter menu with Sharpen can improve the resulting image a little. Good
Luck. Contact me off list if you have any other questions.
Rex
Colorado
do not archive
Sid Hausding wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Sid Hausding <avidsid@yahoo.com>
>
>Lynn,
>
> Its too late for the aforementioned photos, but check now to see if you digital
camera has the "thumbnail" photo feature..........one that lets your camera
create and store a smaller, email sized copy of the original high mb and pixel
photo. Most digital cameras have the feature built in, but you need to chose
it...........sometimes they will look blurry on your computer as you view them,
but will come out okay to the end user and much smaller in megabyte size
for quick internet exchanging and uploading.
>
> Sid
> -----------amateur everything
>
>
>
>Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson
>
>Don Pearsall just let me know that he has posted my 1st flight photos
>on Sportflight, under First Flights. I had submitted them to him, then
>added a retouched (Photoshop) version of the liftoff shot. That one is
>huge! (I was having fun making the plane "move" by using the bottom
>cursor, and supplying my own "airplane sounds" ...Jabiru, that is...you
>Rotax guys have another sound. : ) )
>
>I was lamenting the fact that when I shot the liftoff, the ground-level
>wind indicator was right in the way of the rear fuselage, so I called
>on my experiences with Photoshop, and took out the offending sock and
>pole. I couldn't recall how to decrease the size of the file so sent it
>out as a JPEG file of 328 KB. The others are smaller, and sent out as
>Kodak EasyShare files of about 31 KB, although these numbers are not
>reflected as such on the Sportflight site. If anybody knows how to make
>a smaller file from a JPEG, let me know. I tried saving as a PICT, and
>a TIFF, but the size did not apparently change.
>
>
>Lynn
>Kitfox IV...Jabiru 2200
>
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
Lowell had asked:
>...some said they open the doors at a reduced speed and then will
>accellerate after opening to cruise. Am I correct in this. And if so
>what speeds for opening and what top speeds have been flown with
>open doors.
On my IV, I could fly at up to 80 KIAS with the doors open. Any
faster and they would close on their own. I don't think this is
typical because Murle Williams had modified my fuselage to give me an
extra 5 inches of width at the hip/shoulder area and that resulted in
having to modify the door shape to fit properly--they were more
curved than the stock door. I believe Murle told me that he could
leave the doors open on his series 5 throughout the speed envelope.
>Has anyone experienced any pucker factor moments while flying this
>way and if so what was the situation.
The only real puckering I had was getting used to the notion that
there was nothing between me and the ground! I habitually would
cinch my shoulder and lap belts down each time I opened the door even
though I told myself that there was no way I could fall out. :-)
Dan sez:
>Mike Gibbs might be able to tell you of a pucker factor that
>happened w/ the doors open...Mike isn't that how you were flying? Of
>course a few other factors were involved ;)
Well, OK, there was some pucker happening towards the end there, but
it wasn't because the doors were open! :-)
Mike G.
N728KF
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
When flying several demo flights I would open the doors on a regular basis..
I would also fly with them open regularly on long cross country's
(Sun-n-Fun, Oshkosh) nothing better then flying low over some of the
country's landscape with the doors open.... I have had them open at a
little over 120 MPH IAS with no adverse effects... hard to shut though. As a
general rule I stick with the flap operating speed.. just seems to make
sense. But I am not opposed to opening them at cruise either.
Be careful of one thing though... There is a nice grey upholstered side
panel somewhere over Middleton ID
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
> Lowell Fitt <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt"
>
> I have been flying a bit with the doors open and am
> curious of the
> experienced others have had. I replaced the gas
> struts as I was haveing
> some vibration - flutter in the pilot side door. The
> new gas struts solved
> the problem with the door flutter.
>
> As I recall, in previous posts on the subject, some
> said they open the doors
> at a reduced speed and then will accellerate after
> opening to cruise. Am I
> correct in this. And if so what speeds for opening
> and what top speeds have
> been flown with open doors.
>
> Has anyone experienced any pucker factor moments
> while flying this way and
> if so what was the situation.
>
> The main purpose for flying with the open doors is
> to get some photos
> without having to contend with the lexan side
> windows.
>
> Lowell
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
One of the most enjoyable things I have done in our kitfox is to fly over
the Grand Canyon with the door open... WOW!
cliff
When flying several demo flights I would open the doors on a regular basis..
I would also fly with them open regularly on long cross country's
(Sun-n-Fun, Oshkosh) nothing better then flying low over some of the
country's landscape with the doors open.... I have had them open at a
little over 120 MPH IAS with no adverse effects... hard to shut though. As a
general rule I stick with the flap operating speed.. just seems to make
sense. But I am not opposed to opening them at cruise either.
Be careful of one thing though... There is a nice grey upholstered side
panel somewhere over Middleton ID
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
> Lowell Fitt <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt"
>
> I have been flying a bit with the doors open and am
> curious of the
> experienced others have had. I replaced the gas
> struts as I was haveing
> some vibration - flutter in the pilot side door. The
> new gas struts solved
> the problem with the door flutter.
>
> As I recall, in previous posts on the subject, some
> said they open the doors
> at a reduced speed and then will accellerate after
> opening to cruise. Am I
> correct in this. And if so what speeds for opening
> and what top speeds have
> been flown with open doors.
>
> Has anyone experienced any pucker factor moments
> while flying this way and
> if so what was the situation.
>
> The main purpose for flying with the open doors is
> to get some photos
> without having to contend with the lexan side
> windows.
>
> Lowell
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| Subject: | Kitfox-List Cold weather flying |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: JeffFowler@aol.com
Hello List,
Recently I was looking at KitFox pics and noticed a few pictures of winter
operation. I know that cabin heat is optional on the plane so how have you
people on the list handled that? What, if you have no cabin heat do you do when
flying in winter? Do any of you wear electric heated cloths fo this? Would
your electrical system handle the drain from a heated suit?
Thanks,
Jeff Fowler
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| Subject: | Re: Doors open Mike Gibbs |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
> Mike Gibbs wrote:
> The only real puckering I had was getting used to
> the notion that
> there was nothing between me and the ground! I
> habitually would
> cinch my shoulder and lap belts down each time I
> opened the door even
> though I told myself that there was no way I could
> fall out. :-)
>
Michael:
Have you ever flown in an ultralight? Its Awesome!!!
Jose
Jose M. Toro, P.E.
Kitfox II/582->Jabiru 2200
"A slow flight in the Caribbean..."
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
Don't use TCP with your 582.
California Power Supply carries two cycle oil that works great with
100LL. For a 1-1/2 years I only used 100LL with CPS two cycle oil had
very little carbon/lead build up.
Robert San Diego
Former Model II KF 582(That I really, really miss)
Now Model V KF 0200
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Guy
Buchanan
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 8:32 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Avgas in 582
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
I saw the thread on re-fueling and thought I'd ask if anyone thought
using
100LL avgas with TCP in a 582 was a bad idea. I don't think I have the
patience for gas cans or to pursue non-alcohol auto fuel when on the
road.
What do you think? Bad idea?
Thanks,
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Kitfox-List Cold weather flying |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
Jeff
I have cabin heat but have friends who do not have this option. Even at -25
deg C they are quite comfortable in a skidoo suit and boots.
Gary
Lite2/582
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
JeffFowler@aol.com
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 12:55 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox-List Cold weather flying
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: JeffFowler@aol.com
Hello List,
Recently I was looking at KitFox pics and noticed a few pictures of winter
operation. I know that cabin heat is optional on the plane so how have you
people on the list handled that? What, if you have no cabin heat do you do
when
flying in winter? Do any of you wear electric heated cloths fo this? Would
your electrical system handle the drain from a heated suit?
Thanks,
Jeff Fowler
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| Subject: | Re: How do you refuel your kitfox? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Gas cans work ok, but can be a pain sometimes. Something you might want to
consider is using a 55gal drum with one of those lever pumps that Harbor
Freight sells for about $80. Comes with hose and nozzle. I had a small
utility trailer that I semi-permanently mounted the drum to and all I have
to do is drive to the gas station, fill up, and drive home. The trailer
with full gas drum is still light enough to wheel up to the airplane and
fill up. Saves using the 5gal cans.
The trailer was only about $125 used so I don't have much invested. The
drum was $10. Been using it for years and no problems so far. When I need
to fill up I borrow the plate from the boat trailer. :-)
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 10:38 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: How do you refuel your kitfox?
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Luis,
>
> I use the gas cans. Mine are plastic, but that might move the topic to
> static electricity. I was taught to put a towel on the wing - inboard
where
> the tank top is - and lift the can to the towel and pour. I use one of
the
> large filtering funnels.
>
> I too have done a bit of looking at the possibilities of a hose from a
pump
> or suspended tank and none have grabbed me as better for the buck.
>
> I know guys that will use the plastic water cans - the collapsable type
with
> the spigot on the bottom side. These you just heft to the wing and open
the
> spigot - no funnel.
>
> I will usually keep at least one of my plastic cans full, so I can fill
and
> fly when I want and not worry about going to get the cans filled all the
> time.
>
> Lowell
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 6:15 AM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: How do you refuel your kitfox?
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
> >
> > My local airport will no longer be offering mogas so I have to figure
out
> > how to get fuel to my airplane. A have a couple of 5 gallon plastic fuel
> > tanks that will do in a pinch but I was hoping to find something more
> > convinient for the long term. I looked at some fuel transfer tank
> > solutions for my truck but they're expensive. Just a smal dot approved
> > tank is $500. What are other kitfox owners doing?
> >
> > Luis R.
> > 824KF
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=25540#25540
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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| Subject: | Re: Doors open Mike Gibbs |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
You're right, Jose...I took a few lessons in an ultralight and it was
fun, but when landing with your butt just inches off the grass, 30kts
seems like 130kts.
Lynn
do not archive
On Friday, March 31, 2006, at 01:15 PM, Jose M. Toro wrote:
>
> Michael:
>
> Have you ever flown in an ultralight? Its Awesome!!!
>
> Jose
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| Subject: | Re: How do you refuel your kitfox? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com>
This is what I do and can be done very fast. I went to Shucks and bought the 5
gallon metal cans that have the drain spout that you hook on seperately and uses
a latch for sealing the can. I have two of them and fill them at the gas
pump and throw them in the back of the pick-up. Then I have a 5 gallon plastic
fill bucket that is used for 4wheelers, sold at the motorcycle dealers, has
a long hose on the end about 2 feet long. When I get to the hanger I pour in
as much fuel as I can handle on a ladder. I climb up on the ladder and put the
hose in the airplane and then seal off the vent on the plastic tank(mine is
clear), when the tank is up side down, I release the vent and in goes the fuel.
Takes about 3 minutes if that for each 5 gallons. The other day I removed
all the shrouds on the engine, replaced all spark plugs and put in 5 gallons of
gas in 30 minutes.
--------
kitfoxmike
kitfox4 1200 912ul speedster
http://www.frappr.com/kitfoxmike
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| Subject: | Re: How do you refuel your kitfox? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
Looks like the cheapest DOT approved transfer tank with a decent pump is going
to be in the $700 range. There are many cheaper solutions that are approved for
diesel but apparently, gasoline is more volitile. I guess I'll stick to the
platic cans for now with some kind of hand operated pump.
I gather that static electricity is a concern with this kind of scenario. How are
you guys dealing with this?
Luis R.
824KF
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox-List Cold weather flying |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com>
Most of the winter I flew with the shivers. Then I figured out a great way for
heat. I took an oil funnel and strapped it to the back of the radiator cooler
and then took some of that hose with metal wire inside for aircraft(about 1.5
inches diameter) and pop rivited it to the funnel, I cut the opening to the
funnel for good flow. Then I put this hose up through the floor and pointed it
to the front. Works fantastic, will raise the temp inside at least 20 degrees
f. Under 45 degrees outside I add 3 inches of 2inch duck tape to the front
of the cooler, puts the temp right at 180 degrees. below 35 outside temp I put
on 6 inches of tape. above 60 degrees you will be opening vents. Took me
15 minutes to hook this up.
--------
kitfoxmike
kitfox4 1200 912ul speedster
http://www.frappr.com/kitfoxmike
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| Subject: | Re: Doors open Mike Gibbs |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
Would that feeling turn you into a virtual fighter
pilot?
--- Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson
> <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>
> You're right, Jose...I took a few lessons in an
> ultralight and it was
> fun, but when landing with your butt just inches off
> the grass, 30kts
> seems like 130kts.
>
> Lynn
> do not archive
>
> On Friday, March 31, 2006, at 01:15 PM, Jose M.
> Toro wrote:
> >
>
> > Michael:
> >
> > Have you ever flown in an ultralight? Its
> Awesome!!!
> >
> > Jose
>
>
>
>
>
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List
>
> Admin.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Jose M. Toro, P.E.
Kitfox II/582->Jabiru 2200
"A slow flight in the Caribbean..."
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| Subject: | Re: How do you refuel your kitfox? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com>
those of you interested in the plastic container this is one simular to the one I have. http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/item.aspx?style=16745&department=633&division=6
--------
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kitfox4 1200 912ul speedster
http://www.frappr.com/kitfoxmike
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| Subject: | Re: How do you refuel your kitfox? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Floran Higgins" <cliffh@outdrs.net>
I use two wires to ground the airplane. One is clipped to the funnel in the
tank, and the other end, to the landing gear. The other is clipped to the
landind gear, the other end is clipped to the metal frame of the hanger.
Floran H.
----- Original Message -----
From: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 12:16 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: How do you refuel your kitfox?
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
>
> Looks like the cheapest DOT approved transfer tank with a decent pump is
> going to be in the $700 range. There are many cheaper solutions that are
> approved for diesel but apparently, gasoline is more volitile. I guess
> I'll stick to the platic cans for now with some kind of hand operated
> pump.
>
> I gather that static electricity is a concern with this kind of scenario.
> How are you guys dealing with this?
>
> Luis R.
> 824KF
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=25611#25611
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: How do you refuel your kitfox? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
cliffh(at)outdrs.net wrote:
> I use two wires to ground the airplane. One is clipped to the funnel in the
> tank, and the other end, to the landing gear. The other is clipped to the
> landind gear, the other end is clipped to the metal frame of the hanger.
> ---
Hmm. What if eveything I'm using is plastic (can, spout, funnel, etc). Is there
still a static issue? There's no point in grounding a plastic funnel right?
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| Subject: | Michigan fly-in possibility |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
The date for the Jackson Chapter (304) of EAA, pancake breakfast is
June 11. This would be a perfect time to gather and discuss where we
could have an actual
Kitfox/Michigan/Ohio/Indiana/Illinois/Hawaii/Caribbean/Norway, etc.
fly-in. : ) They always have hot rods, street cars, motorcycles, etc.
on display at the airport (JXN), as well as all the planes that fly in.
I'll post more details when the details are known.
Lynn
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| Subject: | Re: How do you refuel your kitfox? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com>
I don't mess with it.
--------
kitfoxmike
kitfox4 1200 912ul speedster
http://www.frappr.com/kitfoxmike
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| Subject: | Re: Michigan fly-in possibility |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com>
how about one in the northwest?
--------
kitfoxmike
kitfox4 1200 912ul speedster
http://www.frappr.com/kitfoxmike
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Thanks to all for the open door comments. And John, when I had my demo ride
in the Model IV Speedster, it was the open door at 100 ft. that sold me.
Pilot was Ed Downs.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 9:43 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Doors open
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
>
> When flying several demo flights I would open the doors on a regular
> basis..
> I would also fly with them open regularly on long cross country's
> (Sun-n-Fun, Oshkosh) nothing better then flying low over some of the
> country's landscape with the doors open.... I have had them open at a
> little over 120 MPH IAS with no adverse effects... hard to shut though. As
> a
> general rule I stick with the flap operating speed.. just seems to make
> sense. But I am not opposed to opening them at cruise either.
>
> Be careful of one thing though... There is a nice grey upholstered side
> panel somewhere over Middleton ID
>
> Fly Safe !!
> John & Debra McBean
> www.sportplanellc.com
> "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
>
>> Lowell Fitt <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt"
>>
>> I have been flying a bit with the doors open and am
>> curious of the
>> experienced others have had. I replaced the gas
>> struts as I was haveing
>> some vibration - flutter in the pilot side door. The
>> new gas struts solved
>> the problem with the door flutter.
>>
>> As I recall, in previous posts on the subject, some
>> said they open the doors
>> at a reduced speed and then will accellerate after
>> opening to cruise. Am I
>> correct in this. And if so what speeds for opening
>> and what top speeds have
>> been flown with open doors.
>>
>> Has anyone experienced any pucker factor moments
>> while flying this way and
>> if so what was the situation.
>>
>> The main purpose for flying with the open doors is
>> to get some photos
>> without having to contend with the lexan side
>> windows.
>>
>> Lowell
>
>
> --
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: How do you refuel your kitfox? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: wwillyard@aol.com
I also used a 55 gal. drum and applied 5 psi of air pressure to dispense fuel.
That way I could see when the tank was full and close the valve on the supply
hose.
Bill W.
-----Original Message-----
From: Fox5flyer <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Sent: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 13:45:29 -0500
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: How do you refuel your kitfox?
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Gas cans work ok, but can be a pain sometimes. Something you might want to
consider is using a 55gal drum with one of those lever pumps that Harbor
Freight sells for about $80. Comes with hose and nozzle. I had a small
utility trailer that I semi-permanently mounted the drum to and all I have
to do is drive to the gas station, fill up, and drive home. The trailer
with full gas drum is still light enough to wheel up to the airplane and
fill up. Saves using the 5gal cans.
The trailer was only about $125 used so I don't have much invested. The
drum was $10. Been using it for years and no problems so far. When I need
to fill up I borrow the plate from the boat trailer. :-)
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 10:38 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: How do you refuel your kitfox?
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Luis,
>
> I use the gas cans. Mine are plastic, but that might move the topic to
> static electricity. I was taught to put a towel on the wing - inboard
where
> the tank top is - and lift the can to the towel and pour. I use one of
the
> large filtering funnels.
>
> I too have done a bit of looking at the possibilities of a hose from a
pump
> or suspended tank and none have grabbed me as better for the buck.
>
> I know guys that will use the plastic water cans - the collapsable type
with
> the spigot on the bottom side. These you just heft to the wing and open
the
> spigot - no funnel.
>
> I will usually keep at least one of my plastic cans full, so I can fill
and
> fly when I want and not worry about going to get the cans filled all the
> time.
>
> Lowell
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 6:15 AM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: How do you refuel your kitfox?
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
> >
> > My local airport will no longer be offering mogas so I have to figure
out
> > how to get fuel to my airplane. A have a couple of 5 gallon plastic fuel
> > tanks that will do in a pinch but I was hoping to find something more
> > convinient for the long term. I looked at some fuel transfer tank
> > solutions for my truck but they're expensive. Just a smal dot approved
> > tank is $500. What are other kitfox owners doing?
> >
> > Luis R.
> > 824KF
> >
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| Subject: | Re: Michigan fly-in possibility |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jeff puls" <pulsair@mindspring.com>
Count me in. Will you post a reminder about a week out? Jeff Classic IV
Columbus, Ohio
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 12:03 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Michigan fly-in possibility
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>
> The date for the Jackson Chapter (304) of EAA, pancake breakfast is
> June 11. This would be a perfect time to gather and discuss where we
> could have an actual
> Kitfox/Michigan/Ohio/Indiana/Illinois/Hawaii/Caribbean/Norway, etc.
> fly-in. : ) They always have hot rods, street cars, motorcycles, etc.
> on display at the airport (JXN), as well as all the planes that fly in.
> I'll post more details when the details are known.
>
> Lynn
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Lift strut ends. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
Thanks Guy and all others who have helped me out here.
Cheers
Graeme
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Guy Buchanan" <bnn@nethere.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 2:22 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Lift strut ends.
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
>
> At 07:54 PM 3/29/2006, you wrote:
>>Hi Guys, I thought it might be a good idea to replace the lift strut
>>ends
>
> Hi Graeme,
> I call them "rod ends". I have Aurora brand. If you look on the
> rod end housing you may see a code like MW-4H-12. This indicates a MW
> series, (general purpose - precision, right hand,) bearing with a 1/4 ball
> bore and a 5/16 housing. I couldn't find what the "H" stood for.
> A good source for these kinds of fittings is McMaster-Carr.
> (www.mcmaster.com) Put "rod end" into the search box and then select "ball
> joint rod end" on the left, then follow the pictures. I'd buy the highest
> strength available in the size you want because some calculations on mine
> indicated there was no excess of reserve factor.
>
>
> Guy Buchanan
> K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
>
>
> --
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Michigan fly-in possibility |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
If I can get off work for it I'm in. Might be in something other than My
fox if not done in time. Ron NB Ore.
>From: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com>
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Michigan fly-in possibility
>Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 12:09:10 -0800
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com>
>
>how about one in the northwest?
>
>--------
>kitfoxmike
>kitfox4 1200 912ul speedster
>http://www.frappr.com/kitfoxmike
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=25621#25621
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: How do you refuel your kitfox? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
You use air pressure to pump the gas? That sounds like a winner. What is your air
presure source and how do you hook it up? Maybe I can use this technique with
this tank that I found on ebay. Anyone know of a downside to this approach?
> I also used a 55 gal. drum and applied 5 psi of air pressure to dispense fuel.
That way I could see when the tank was full and close the valve on the supply
hose.
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| Subject: | Re: How do you refuel your kitfox? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
Plastic is the worst for static. Ground the plane. Kill the static with
Static Guard like for computers or woman's dresses. Don't touch the gas
cap on the plane first. Put the gas jug on the ground. Spray can,
funnel, and plane with static guard. Then touch the plane with the can
away from the gas cap. They you can fuel. We had a horrible disaster up
this way a month or so ago fueling from static that killed the 17 year
old that was fueling and the father that tried to save him is still
critical. And that was from a certified fueling truck.
wingnut wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
>
>
>cliffh(at)outdrs.net wrote:
>
>
>>I use two wires to ground the airplane. One is clipped to the funnel in the
>>tank, and the other end, to the landing gear. The other is clipped to the
>>landind gear, the other end is clipped to the metal frame of the hanger.
>>---
>>
>>
>
>
>Hmm. What if eveything I'm using is plastic (can, spout, funnel, etc). Is there
still a static issue? There's no point in grounding a plastic funnel right?
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=25617#25617
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Press release hacked |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" <sonex321@msn.com>
Hot off the internet!
bh
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Cunningham" <jlcunni6@yahoo.com>
Hey everyone... just hacked this off the NetNewsAero server...it's
going out in tomorrow's edition. This is indeed exciting news and
explains the "Cub" sightings around Sonex of late.
Jim
________________
Sonex Acquires Rights to Kitfox
Oshkosh, WI-Sonex Aircraft, until recently Sonex Ltd., announced
today that they have acquired the rights to the popular Kitfox
aircraft line. The Kitfox was produced for over 20 years in various
models, most recently by the Skystar Corporation. Skystar filed for
Chapter 11 protection and ceased operations in October, 2005. Sonex
Aircraft has purchased the rights to the Series 4-7 designs of the
Kitfox as well as existing kit and part inventories with the
exception of engine mounts and related engine components. Although no
official announcement has been made, popular speculation in the
homebuilt community is that the company will power the Kitfox with
the AeroVee engine, made by Aero Conversions, which is also owned by
Sonex Aircraft.
"I've always loved tube and fabric airplanes," says Sonex President
John Monnett. "The first plane I ever restored was an old Aeronca
defender back in the late 1960s, and before launching the Sonex I
restored a bunch of Cubs and other vintage machines. So acquiring the
Kitfox design was a very natural thing."
Vice President and General Manager Jeremy Monnett agrees. "The Kitfox
is a perfect complement to our product line. Now we'll have a wider
range of products for the homebuilder and be able to bring the same
quality, price, and value to the tube and fabric builder that we have
for those who build metal airplanes."
Sonex Aircraft reports that they should have parts ready for shipping
very soon. Observers in Oshkosh report seeing large trucks unloading
large quantities of what appeared to be aircraft components in the
middle of the night, in some cases steel cage fuselage components
such as those used in the Kitfox design. Truck after truck was
unloaded for hours on end. Those doing the unloading were obviously
exhausted by the process, but whenever activity slowed down much a
powerful male voice boomed "Faster, you lazy slugs! We fired people
at Elgin who were half as slow as you are! MOVE IT!!!"
When asked about the possibility of adding a composite aircraft to
their product line, John Monnett was adamant. "It'll be a cold day in
hell when we do that," said John. His son wasn't so sure. "That's
exactly what you said about designing another trigear airplane," he
said to his dad while pointing to the trigear Sonex Sport Trainer.
"That's it," said John, visibly angered. "Go to your office, without
lunch. Right now." Jeremy then stomped over to the company's "cold
storage" hangar and, to this reporter's amazement, took a piece of
colored chalk and drew a long line on the edge of the building's
concrete aircraft ramp.
Family aircraft business stalwart Betty Monnett just shrugged. "This
is a typical cycle. Jeremy actually owns the `cold storage' building,
so it's his personal property. His dad can't go in there unless he
approves; eventually he'll need to get something and negotiations
will begin with Jeremy calling out his demands from the window of the
tower there using a bullhorn. Eventually they'll reach a settlement."
This reporter wondered if this sort of work cycle interfered with
company business. "Not at all," responded Betty. "They're just
figureheads for public consumption.... actors and models who look
good to the average EAA member. They don't have any real
responsibilities with the company. Surely you know who really runs
this business, don't you? I just try to keep a low profile. Besides,
my husband and son's behaviors are real entertainment for Heather and
me."
_____________________
Wasn't going to post my annual April post early, but since Mark
started the party early (always a fun thing to do) I thought I'd jump
in.
Jim
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
Thanks Robert.
At 10:14 AM 3/31/2006, you wrote:
>Don't use TCP with your 582.
Why?
>California Power Supply carries two cycle oil that works great with
>100LL. For a 1-1/2 years I only used 100LL with CPS two cycle oil had
>very little carbon/lead build up.
So now I have to find someone to buy the case of Pennzoil Air-cooled I just
bought? Just kidding, but did you ever run Pennzoil? If so, how did it do
by comparison?
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: How do you refuel your kitfox? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com>
What I specifically do is when I get fuel from the truck(100ll) I hook the ground
wire to the rim of the tank filler. If I use the gas can I transfer the fuel
from the steel tank to the plastic tank on cement. I like the idea of spraying
with the static guard. But I do have a 20ft. 16guage wire that I have eligator
clips on each end and I hook up from the neck of the tank on the plane
to the hanger.
--------
kitfoxmike
kitfox4 1200 912ul speedster
http://www.frappr.com/kitfoxmike
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=25647#25647
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
The Mr. Funnels are supposed to be conductive. My guess the balxk color is
from Carbon in the plastic mix.
One piece of advice that makes sense to me is to avoid wiping with a dry rag
any spills - a sure way to generate static electricity. Another piece of
advice I heard is to wipe the area of the filler cap, the plastic funnel and
the outside of the gs can with a wet rag. It will dissipate a static
charge.
I also like to fuel in the cool of the morning when the humidity is a bit
higher.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 11:58 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: How do you refuel your kitfox?
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
>
>
> cliffh(at)outdrs.net wrote:
>> I use two wires to ground the airplane. One is clipped to the funnel in
>> the
>> tank, and the other end, to the landing gear. The other is clipped to the
>> landind gear, the other end is clipped to the metal frame of the hanger.
>> ---
>
>
> Hmm. What if eveything I'm using is plastic (can, spout, funnel, etc). Is
> there still a static issue? There's no point in grounding a plastic funnel
> right?
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=25617#25617
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Malcolmbru@aol.com
Mark Berpie in three rivers mi would be a good contact and more centrally
located. our ultralite club is having its 12 annual fathers day fly in at
St Johns mi 30 miles north of Lansing. Or even easier why done we have a
contest to see who can have the most kit fox's in one place at a fly in in the
month of June? mal
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Hi Bruce,
There is a lot of speculation on this and I must say at this point that this
announcement is in the same catagory or maybe a sick joke.
I have in front of me a letter from Kimbell Gourley, Attorney from the law
firm of Jones, Hess, Fuhrman & Eiden, P.A., announcing that the bankruptcy
court was proceeding forward to seek court approval of the bid submitted by
Sport Plane Inc. [sp]. The letter then gives the names of the other bidders
and the date for the hearing on the motion which is April 5, 2006 at 9:30
a.m.
The letter states further that the "the Honorable Jim Pappas will entertain
or conduct an auction at that time as to any interested purchasers who are
willing to pay in excess of the" amount bid by Sport Palne LLC.
My guess is that someone is playing a huge joke.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Harrington" <sonex321@msn.com>
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 3:25 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Press release hacked
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" <sonex321@msn.com>
>
> Hot off the internet!
> bh
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Cunningham" <jlcunni6@yahoo.com>
>
>
> Hey everyone... just hacked this off the NetNewsAero server...it's
> going out in tomorrow's edition. This is indeed exciting news and
> explains the "Cub" sightings around Sonex of late.
>
> Jim
>
> ________________
> Sonex Acquires Rights to Kitfox
>
>
> Oshkosh, WI-Sonex Aircraft, until recently Sonex Ltd., announced
> today that they have acquired the rights to the popular Kitfox
> aircraft line. The Kitfox was produced for over 20 years in various
> models, most recently by the Skystar Corporation. Skystar filed for
> Chapter 11 protection and ceased operations in October, 2005. Sonex
> Aircraft has purchased the rights to the Series 4-7 designs of the
> Kitfox as well as existing kit and part inventories with the
> exception of engine mounts and related engine components. Although no
> official announcement has been made, popular speculation in the
> homebuilt community is that the company will power the Kitfox with
> the AeroVee engine, made by Aero Conversions, which is also owned by
> Sonex Aircraft.
>
> "I've always loved tube and fabric airplanes," says Sonex President
> John Monnett. "The first plane I ever restored was an old Aeronca
> defender back in the late 1960s, and before launching the Sonex I
> restored a bunch of Cubs and other vintage machines. So acquiring the
> Kitfox design was a very natural thing."
>
> Vice President and General Manager Jeremy Monnett agrees. "The Kitfox
> is a perfect complement to our product line. Now we'll have a wider
> range of products for the homebuilder and be able to bring the same
> quality, price, and value to the tube and fabric builder that we have
> for those who build metal airplanes."
>
> Sonex Aircraft reports that they should have parts ready for shipping
> very soon. Observers in Oshkosh report seeing large trucks unloading
> large quantities of what appeared to be aircraft components in the
> middle of the night, in some cases steel cage fuselage components
> such as those used in the Kitfox design. Truck after truck was
> unloaded for hours on end. Those doing the unloading were obviously
> exhausted by the process, but whenever activity slowed down much a
> powerful male voice boomed "Faster, you lazy slugs! We fired people
> at Elgin who were half as slow as you are! MOVE IT!!!"
>
> When asked about the possibility of adding a composite aircraft to
> their product line, John Monnett was adamant. "It'll be a cold day in
> hell when we do that," said John. His son wasn't so sure. "That's
> exactly what you said about designing another trigear airplane," he
> said to his dad while pointing to the trigear Sonex Sport Trainer.
>
> "That's it," said John, visibly angered. "Go to your office, without
> lunch. Right now." Jeremy then stomped over to the company's "cold
> storage" hangar and, to this reporter's amazement, took a piece of
> colored chalk and drew a long line on the edge of the building's
> concrete aircraft ramp.
>
> Family aircraft business stalwart Betty Monnett just shrugged. "This
> is a typical cycle. Jeremy actually owns the `cold storage' building,
> so it's his personal property. His dad can't go in there unless he
> approves; eventually he'll need to get something and negotiations
> will begin with Jeremy calling out his demands from the window of the
> tower there using a bullhorn. Eventually they'll reach a settlement."
> This reporter wondered if this sort of work cycle interfered with
> company business. "Not at all," responded Betty. "They're just
> figureheads for public consumption.... actors and models who look
> good to the average EAA member. They don't have any real
> responsibilities with the company. Surely you know who really runs
> this business, don't you? I just try to keep a low profile. Besides,
> my husband and son's behaviors are real entertainment for Heather and
> me."
>
>
> _____________________
>
> Wasn't going to post my annual April post early, but since Mark
> started the party early (always a fun thing to do) I thought I'd jump
> in.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
C'mon, consider the SOURCE of this press release (Jim Campbell). And the
fact that tomorrow is April 1st.
Don Pearsall
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 5:03 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Press release hacked
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Hi Bruce,
There is a lot of speculation on this and I must say at this point that this
announcement is in the same catagory or maybe a sick joke.
I have in front of me a letter from Kimbell Gourley, Attorney from the law
firm of Jones, Hess, Fuhrman & Eiden, P.A., announcing that the bankruptcy
court was proceeding forward to seek court approval of the bid submitted by
Sport Plane Inc. [sp]. The letter then gives the names of the other bidders
and the date for the hearing on the motion which is April 5, 2006 at 9:30
a.m.
The letter states further that the "the Honorable Jim Pappas will entertain
or conduct an auction at that time as to any interested purchasers who are
willing to pay in excess of the" amount bid by Sport Palne LLC.
My guess is that someone is playing a huge joke.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Harrington" <sonex321@msn.com>
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 3:25 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Press release hacked
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" <sonex321@msn.com>
>
> Hot off the internet!
> bh
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Cunningham" <jlcunni6@yahoo.com>
>
>
> Hey everyone... just hacked this off the NetNewsAero server...it's
> going out in tomorrow's edition. This is indeed exciting news and
> explains the "Cub" sightings around Sonex of late.
>
> Jim
>
> ________________
> Sonex Acquires Rights to Kitfox
>
>
> Oshkosh, WI-Sonex Aircraft, until recently Sonex Ltd., announced
> today that they have acquired the rights to the popular Kitfox
> aircraft line. The Kitfox was produced for over 20 years in various
> models, most recently by the Skystar Corporation. Skystar filed for
> Chapter 11 protection and ceased operations in October, 2005. Sonex
> Aircraft has purchased the rights to the Series 4-7 designs of the
> Kitfox as well as existing kit and part inventories with the
> exception of engine mounts and related engine components. Although no
> official announcement has been made, popular speculation in the
> homebuilt community is that the company will power the Kitfox with
> the AeroVee engine, made by Aero Conversions, which is also owned by
> Sonex Aircraft.
>
> "I've always loved tube and fabric airplanes," says Sonex President
> John Monnett. "The first plane I ever restored was an old Aeronca
> defender back in the late 1960s, and before launching the Sonex I
> restored a bunch of Cubs and other vintage machines. So acquiring the
> Kitfox design was a very natural thing."
>
> Vice President and General Manager Jeremy Monnett agrees. "The Kitfox
> is a perfect complement to our product line. Now we'll have a wider
> range of products for the homebuilder and be able to bring the same
> quality, price, and value to the tube and fabric builder that we have
> for those who build metal airplanes."
>
> Sonex Aircraft reports that they should have parts ready for shipping
> very soon. Observers in Oshkosh report seeing large trucks unloading
> large quantities of what appeared to be aircraft components in the
> middle of the night, in some cases steel cage fuselage components
> such as those used in the Kitfox design. Truck after truck was
> unloaded for hours on end. Those doing the unloading were obviously
> exhausted by the process, but whenever activity slowed down much a
> powerful male voice boomed "Faster, you lazy slugs! We fired people
> at Elgin who were half as slow as you are! MOVE IT!!!"
>
> When asked about the possibility of adding a composite aircraft to
> their product line, John Monnett was adamant. "It'll be a cold day in
> hell when we do that," said John. His son wasn't so sure. "That's
> exactly what you said about designing another trigear airplane," he
> said to his dad while pointing to the trigear Sonex Sport Trainer.
>
> "That's it," said John, visibly angered. "Go to your office, without
> lunch. Right now." Jeremy then stomped over to the company's "cold
> storage" hangar and, to this reporter's amazement, took a piece of
> colored chalk and drew a long line on the edge of the building's
> concrete aircraft ramp.
>
> Family aircraft business stalwart Betty Monnett just shrugged. "This
> is a typical cycle. Jeremy actually owns the `cold storage' building,
> so it's his personal property. His dad can't go in there unless he
> approves; eventually he'll need to get something and negotiations
> will begin with Jeremy calling out his demands from the window of the
> tower there using a bullhorn. Eventually they'll reach a settlement."
> This reporter wondered if this sort of work cycle interfered with
> company business. "Not at all," responded Betty. "They're just
> figureheads for public consumption.... actors and models who look
> good to the average EAA member. They don't have any real
> responsibilities with the company. Surely you know who really runs
> this business, don't you? I just try to keep a low profile. Besides,
> my husband and son's behaviors are real entertainment for Heather and
> me."
>
>
> _____________________
>
> Wasn't going to post my annual April post early, but since Mark
> started the party early (always a fun thing to do) I thought I'd jump
> in.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: How do you refuel your kitfox? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Floran Higgins" <cliffh@outdrs.net>
I use a metal funnel that I have bolted an eye-bolt into it that I attach
the ground wire to. This funnel also has two layers of felt in it to catch
anything that may be in the fuel.
My gas cans are plastic.
Floran H.
----- Original Message -----
From: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 12:58 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: How do you refuel your kitfox?
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
>
>
> cliffh(at)outdrs.net wrote:
>> I use two wires to ground the airplane. One is clipped to the funnel in
>> the
>> tank, and the other end, to the landing gear. The other is clipped to the
>> landind gear, the other end is clipped to the metal frame of the hanger.
>> ---
>
>
> Hmm. What if eveything I'm using is plastic (can, spout, funnel, etc). Is
> there still a static issue? There's no point in grounding a plastic funnel
> right?
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=25617#25617
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "neflyer48" <neflyer48@cableone.net>
Aero News is well known for writing a lot of April Fool articles.
Jerry Kohles
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Harrington" <sonex321@msn.com>
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 5:25 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Press release hacked
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" <sonex321@msn.com>
>
> Hot off the internet!
> bh
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Cunningham" <jlcunni6@yahoo.com>
>
>
> Hey everyone... just hacked this off the NetNewsAero server...it's
> going out in tomorrow's edition. This is indeed exciting news and
> explains the "Cub" sightings around Sonex of late.
>
> Jim
>
> ________________
> Sonex Acquires Rights to Kitfox
>
>
> Oshkosh, WI-Sonex Aircraft, until recently Sonex Ltd., announced
> today that they have acquired the rights to the popular Kitfox
> aircraft line. The Kitfox was produced for over 20 years in various
> models, most recently by the Skystar Corporation. Skystar filed for
> Chapter 11 protection and ceased operations in October, 2005. Sonex
> Aircraft has purchased the rights to the Series 4-7 designs of the
> Kitfox as well as existing kit and part inventories with the
> exception of engine mounts and related engine components. Although no
> official announcement has been made, popular speculation in the
> homebuilt community is that the company will power the Kitfox with
> the AeroVee engine, made by Aero Conversions, which is also owned by
> Sonex Aircraft.
>
> "I've always loved tube and fabric airplanes," says Sonex President
> John Monnett. "The first plane I ever restored was an old Aeronca
> defender back in the late 1960s, and before launching the Sonex I
> restored a bunch of Cubs and other vintage machines. So acquiring the
> Kitfox design was a very natural thing."
>
> Vice President and General Manager Jeremy Monnett agrees. "The Kitfox
> is a perfect complement to our product line. Now we'll have a wider
> range of products for the homebuilder and be able to bring the same
> quality, price, and value to the tube and fabric builder that we have
> for those who build metal airplanes."
>
> Sonex Aircraft reports that they should have parts ready for shipping
> very soon. Observers in Oshkosh report seeing large trucks unloading
> large quantities of what appeared to be aircraft components in the
> middle of the night, in some cases steel cage fuselage components
> such as those used in the Kitfox design. Truck after truck was
> unloaded for hours on end. Those doing the unloading were obviously
> exhausted by the process, but whenever activity slowed down much a
> powerful male voice boomed "Faster, you lazy slugs! We fired people
> at Elgin who were half as slow as you are! MOVE IT!!!"
>
> When asked about the possibility of adding a composite aircraft to
> their product line, John Monnett was adamant. "It'll be a cold day in
> hell when we do that," said John. His son wasn't so sure. "That's
> exactly what you said about designing another trigear airplane," he
> said to his dad while pointing to the trigear Sonex Sport Trainer.
>
> "That's it," said John, visibly angered. "Go to your office, without
> lunch. Right now." Jeremy then stomped over to the company's "cold
> storage" hangar and, to this reporter's amazement, took a piece of
> colored chalk and drew a long line on the edge of the building's
> concrete aircraft ramp.
>
> Family aircraft business stalwart Betty Monnett just shrugged. "This
> is a typical cycle. Jeremy actually owns the `cold storage' building,
> so it's his personal property. His dad can't go in there unless he
> approves; eventually he'll need to get something and negotiations
> will begin with Jeremy calling out his demands from the window of the
> tower there using a bullhorn. Eventually they'll reach a settlement."
> This reporter wondered if this sort of work cycle interfered with
> company business. "Not at all," responded Betty. "They're just
> figureheads for public consumption.... actors and models who look
> good to the average EAA member. They don't have any real
> responsibilities with the company. Surely you know who really runs
> this business, don't you? I just try to keep a low profile. Besides,
> my husband and son's behaviors are real entertainment for Heather and
> me."
>
>
> _____________________
>
> Wasn't going to post my annual April post early, but since Mark
> started the party early (always a fun thing to do) I thought I'd jump
> in.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Michigan fly-in possibility |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Will do, Jeff.
Lynn
do not archive
On Friday, March 31, 2006, at 06:57 PM, jeff puls wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jeff puls" <pulsair@mindspring.com>
>
> Count me in. Will you post a reminder about a week out? Jeff Classic IV
> Columbus, Ohio
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 12:03 PM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Michigan fly-in possibility
>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>>
>> The date for the Jackson Chapter (304) of EAA, pancake breakfast is
>> June 11. This would be a perfect time to gather and discuss where we
>> could have an actual
>> Kitfox/Michigan/Ohio/Indiana/Illinois/Hawaii/Caribbean/Norway, etc.
>> fly-in. : ) They always have hot rods, street cars, motorcycles, etc.
>> on display at the airport (JXN), as well as all the planes that fly
>> in.
>> I'll post more details when the details are known.
>>
>> Lynn
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Three Rivers is centrally located? Better have another look at that
Chart, Malcolm. : )
Lynn
On Friday, March 31, 2006, at 07:49 PM, Malcolmbru@aol.com wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Malcolmbru@aol.com
>
> Mark Berpie in three rivers mi would be a good contact and more
> centrally
> located. our ultralite club is having its 12 annual fathers day fly
> in at
> St Johns mi 30 miles north of Lansing. Or even easier why done we
> have a
> contest to see who can have the most kit fox's in one place at a fly
> in in the
> month of June? mal
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
I just started using a Mr. Funnel. Their literature says that, yes,
they use carbon in the plastic mix. They are model number xxxxC..."C"
for conductive. They also produce a xxxxNC "NC" for, you guessed it,
non-conductive. Interestingly, Home Depot sells the NC version, but I
had to go to an aircraft supplier to buy mine, the "C" version.
When this subject was brought up last year, I had both wings in the
"pink" stage...Poly-brush...and decided to solder a 1/4" braided copper
bonding wire to the tank necks, routed the wire across the fuel tank
and terminated the wire at the rear strut attaching bolt. Through the
metal airframe and various bonding straps, the current (or whatever the
nasty electrical stuff that starts fires is called...I'm no
electrician) finds its' way to the exhaust pipe where I connect it to a
pipe driven in the ground inside my hangar...WHEW! what a journey!
This gives me a thought...maybe I ought to do a continuity check and
see if I really DO have continuity, and am therefore safe.
Lynn
Kitfox IV...Jabiru 2200
On Friday, March 31, 2006, at 07:09 PM, Lowell Fitt wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>
> The Mr. Funnels are supposed to be conductive. My guess the balxk
> color is
> from Carbon in the plastic mix.
>
> One piece of advice that makes sense to me is to avoid wiping with a
> dry rag
> any spills - a sure way to generate static electricity. Another piece
> of
> advice I heard is to wipe the area of the filler cap, the plastic
> funnel and
> the outside of the gs can with a wet rag. It will dissipate a static
> charge.
>
> I also like to fuel in the cool of the morning when the humidity is a
> bit
> higher.
>
> Lowell
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Are you denying Jennifer the pleasure that she would get from selling
you another plate, Deke? :) Oh, right, you meant the plate that you set
the gas can on....sorry....
Lynn
do not archive
> When I need
> to fill up I borrow the plate from the boat trailer. :-)
> Deke
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@mcmsys.com>
Go to the farm store like ORSCHELN, FARM & FLEET, TRACTOR SUPPLY etc and you
can buy a tank, pump and maybe a tool box on top for $500. Consider one
that is flush or nearly flush with the top of the bed, the others block the
view backing up, but other than that are OK. I'll send this direct also and
attach a pic of my fuel truck. Bob U.
----- Original Message -----
From: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 8:15 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: How do you refuel your kitfox?
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
>
> My local airport will no longer be offering mogas so I have to figure out
how to get fuel to my airplane. A have a couple of 5 gallon plastic fuel
tanks that will do in a pinch but I was hoping to find something more
convinient for the long term. I looked at some fuel transfer tank solutions
for my truck but they're expensive. Just a smal dot approved tank is $500.
What are other kitfox owners doing?
>
> Luis R.
> 824KF
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=25540#25540
>
>
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