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1. 12:32 AM - Re: Press release hacked (Lowell Fitt)
2. 03:57 AM - Test Msg (Norm Beauchamp)
3. 04:55 AM - Corvair in a Fox V (Norm Beauchamp)
4. 05:09 AM - Re: Re: How do you refuel your kitfox? (mscotter)
5. 06:13 AM - Re: Michigan fly-in possibility (Marco Menezes)
6. 06:59 AM - Re: Doors open Mike Gibbs (Michael Gibbs)
7. 06:59 AM - Re: First flight pictures...N369LM (Michael Gibbs)
8. 07:55 AM - Re: Re: First flight pictures...N369LM (Lynn Matteson)
9. 08:08 AM - static fire (Alan & Linda Daniels)
10. 08:27 AM - Re: static fire (Dave and Diane)
11. 09:14 AM - Re: Re: How do you refuel your kitfox? (Randy Daughenbaugh)
12. 09:14 AM - Re: Re: How do you refuel your kitfox? (Randy Daughenbaugh)
13. 09:24 AM - Re: static fire (kurt schrader)
14. 09:53 AM - Re: Press release hacked (ron schick)
15. 10:39 AM - Re: Press release hacked (Bob Robertson)
16. 11:04 AM - Re: Re: How do you refuel your kitfox? (Paul Wilson)
17. 01:12 PM - Re: How do you refuel your kitfox? (Richard Rabbers)
18. 01:45 PM - Matronics Email List Wiki! (Matt Dralle)
19. 03:29 PM - Pressurized fuel filling tanks? (James Shumaker)
20. 04:07 PM - cabin heat (kitfoxmike)
21. 05:01 PM - Re: pictures... (Lynn Matteson)
22. 05:46 PM - Re: Press release hacked (Bruce Harrington)
23. 08:17 PM - Kitfox 4-1200 912 UL 125 hrs TT For Sale (Jay Fabian)
24. 11:33 PM - Official Kitfox-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
25. 11:33 PM - Official Kitfox-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | Re: Press release hacked |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Well, I guess ol' Jim got me this time. It was the NetNewsAero server that
threw me off.
Thanks Bruce :-)
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Harrington" <sonex321@msn.com>
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 3:25 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Press release hacked
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" <sonex321@msn.com>
>
> Hot off the internet!
> bh
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Cunningham" <jlcunni6@yahoo.com>
>
>
> Hey everyone... just hacked this off the NetNewsAero server...it's
> going out in tomorrow's edition. This is indeed exciting news and
> explains the "Cub" sightings around Sonex of late.
>
> Jim
>
> ________________
> Sonex Acquires Rights to Kitfox
>
>
> Oshkosh, WI-Sonex Aircraft, until recently Sonex Ltd., announced
> today that they have acquired the rights to the popular Kitfox
> aircraft line. The Kitfox was produced for over 20 years in various
> models, most recently by the Skystar Corporation. Skystar filed for
> Chapter 11 protection and ceased operations in October, 2005. Sonex
> Aircraft has purchased the rights to the Series 4-7 designs of the
> Kitfox as well as existing kit and part inventories with the
> exception of engine mounts and related engine components. Although no
> official announcement has been made, popular speculation in the
> homebuilt community is that the company will power the Kitfox with
> the AeroVee engine, made by Aero Conversions, which is also owned by
> Sonex Aircraft.
>
> "I've always loved tube and fabric airplanes," says Sonex President
> John Monnett. "The first plane I ever restored was an old Aeronca
> defender back in the late 1960s, and before launching the Sonex I
> restored a bunch of Cubs and other vintage machines. So acquiring the
> Kitfox design was a very natural thing."
>
> Vice President and General Manager Jeremy Monnett agrees. "The Kitfox
> is a perfect complement to our product line. Now we'll have a wider
> range of products for the homebuilder and be able to bring the same
> quality, price, and value to the tube and fabric builder that we have
> for those who build metal airplanes."
>
> Sonex Aircraft reports that they should have parts ready for shipping
> very soon. Observers in Oshkosh report seeing large trucks unloading
> large quantities of what appeared to be aircraft components in the
> middle of the night, in some cases steel cage fuselage components
> such as those used in the Kitfox design. Truck after truck was
> unloaded for hours on end. Those doing the unloading were obviously
> exhausted by the process, but whenever activity slowed down much a
> powerful male voice boomed "Faster, you lazy slugs! We fired people
> at Elgin who were half as slow as you are! MOVE IT!!!"
>
> When asked about the possibility of adding a composite aircraft to
> their product line, John Monnett was adamant. "It'll be a cold day in
> hell when we do that," said John. His son wasn't so sure. "That's
> exactly what you said about designing another trigear airplane," he
> said to his dad while pointing to the trigear Sonex Sport Trainer.
>
> "That's it," said John, visibly angered. "Go to your office, without
> lunch. Right now." Jeremy then stomped over to the company's "cold
> storage" hangar and, to this reporter's amazement, took a piece of
> colored chalk and drew a long line on the edge of the building's
> concrete aircraft ramp.
>
> Family aircraft business stalwart Betty Monnett just shrugged. "This
> is a typical cycle. Jeremy actually owns the `cold storage' building,
> so it's his personal property. His dad can't go in there unless he
> approves; eventually he'll need to get something and negotiations
> will begin with Jeremy calling out his demands from the window of the
> tower there using a bullhorn. Eventually they'll reach a settlement."
> This reporter wondered if this sort of work cycle interfered with
> company business. "Not at all," responded Betty. "They're just
> figureheads for public consumption.... actors and models who look
> good to the average EAA member. They don't have any real
> responsibilities with the company. Surely you know who really runs
> this business, don't you? I just try to keep a low profile. Besides,
> my husband and son's behaviors are real entertainment for Heather and
> me."
>
>
> _____________________
>
> Wasn't going to post my annual April post early, but since Mark
> started the party early (always a fun thing to do) I thought I'd jump
> in.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Norm Beauchamp <nebchmp@wcc.net>
1 2 3 4 5 5 4 3 2 1 test out
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| Subject: | Corvair in a Fox V |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Norm Beauchamp <nebchmp@wcc.net>
Thanks to Don there are some photos of my engine posted at Sport
Flight. Look at the engines section at what is now titled First flight
of my Model IV by 220 East Beck. (There may have been a syber moment at
sometime.) I finally finished the install on thursday, did the w/b
first thing friday morning . The total empty weight is 23# lighter than
the EA81 installed was. It took a while to get start procedures
perfected using the Revmaster Carb. However a friend of mine who is
darn good at these things figured it out. The procedure is, batt
switches on, ignition switches on, throttle a little less than half,
mixture idlel cutoff. Hit the start switch and start pushing the
mixture to rich. Varoom. This was the first engine completion by
myself and those who have done it, know the feeling. Not everything
was perfect though. I have a couple fuel weeps and a slight oil lead.
At this point thats minor. Now to finish the ground run peroid and get
airbone again. I believe I have a good combination. Later Norm
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| Subject: | Re: How do you refuel your kitfox? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "mscotter" <mscotter@comcast.net>
I think a continuity check would be well advised to confirm your ground path
Lynn. I work around solvents quite often in my work and we often have to go
to extensive lengths to ground and bond everything, but it is better than
the alternative. And yes, more than once I have had someone check with a
meter to make sure we had good continuity rather than just assuming.
Someone mentioned earlier pressurizing a gas can with 5psi for transfer. I
would consider this a definite no-no, at least not without some significant
safety precautions. If I had no other choice but to do that at work, I
would be surely be pressurizing with nitrogen (not air!), and I would make
sure my transfer line was well grounded and bonded to whatever container I
was transferring to. Additionally, I would probably put a rod down into the
gasoline in the receiving end, and I would make sure I had a way to vent the
pressure off carefully, away from me.
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
I just started using a Mr. Funnel. Their literature says that, yes,
they use carbon in the plastic mix. They are model number xxxxC..."C"
for conductive. They also produce a xxxxNC "NC" for, you guessed it,
non-conductive. Interestingly, Home Depot sells the NC version, but I
had to go to an aircraft supplier to buy mine, the "C" version.
When this subject was brought up last year, I had both wings in the
"pink" stage...Poly-brush...and decided to solder a 1/4" braided copper
bonding wire to the tank necks, routed the wire across the fuel tank
and terminated the wire at the rear strut attaching bolt. Through the
metal airframe and various bonding straps, the current (or whatever the
nasty electrical stuff that starts fires is called...I'm no
electrician) finds its' way to the exhaust pipe where I connect it to a
pipe driven in the ground inside my hangar...WHEW! what a journey!
This gives me a thought...maybe I ought to do a continuity check and
see if I really DO have continuity, and am therefore safe.
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| Subject: | Re: Michigan fly-in possibility |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com>
If there's interest in more of an "up-North" experience, Big Rapids and/or Cadillac
would be great locations. Cadillac has the added advantage of several large
nearby lakes for our float flyers.
Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote: --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn
Matteson
Three Rivers is centrally located? Better have another look at that
Chart, Malcolm. : )
Lynn
On Friday, March 31, 2006, at 07:49 PM, Malcolmbru@aol.com wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Malcolmbru@aol.com
>
> Mark Berpie in three rivers mi would be a good contact and more
> centrally
> located. our ultralite club is having its 12 annual fathers day fly
> in at
> St Johns mi 30 miles north of Lansing. Or even easier why done we
> have a
> contest to see who can have the most kit fox's in one place at a fly
> in in the
> month of June? mal
>
>
Marco Menezes
Model 2 582 N99KX
---------------------------------
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| Subject: | Re: Doors open Mike Gibbs |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
Jose asks:
>Have you ever flown in an ultralight? Its Awesome!!!
Yes, I have. But then it wasn't as unnerving because I think my
brain was already used to the idea that there were no doors! :-)
Mike G.
N728KF
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| Subject: | Re: First flight pictures...N369LM |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
Lynn sez:
>Don Pearsall just let me know that he has posted my 1st flight
>photos on Sportflight, under First Flights.
We have to be short some pictures, guys. The first flight photos
listed before Lynn's are mine--from 2004! Surely others have flown
for the first time between then and now... :-)
Mike G.
N728KF
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| Subject: | Re: First flight pictures...N369LM |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
That's what I was thinking too, Mike...maybe others fly their own 1st
flights, and don't have a cameraperson standing by. Whatever the
reason, there should be more than what I saw there.
Lynn
do not archive
On Saturday, April 1, 2006, at 09:57 AM, Michael Gibbs wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
>
> Lynn sez:
>
>> Don Pearsall just let me know that he has posted my 1st flight
>> photos on Sportflight, under First Flights.
>
> We have to be short some pictures, guys. The first flight photos
> listed before Lynn's are mine--from 2004! Surely others have flown
> for the first time between then and now... :-)
>
> Mike G.
> N728KF
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
Someone at I think Caldwell was power buffing their Lancair 4p and for
some reason removed the gas caps. When an almost empty gas tank explodes
and gets hot in a plastic plane the results are interesting, and very
very expensive.
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dave and Diane <ddsyverson@comcast.net>
Yup, good lesson for all of us - empty gas tanks aren't empty - they can
contain precisely the correct air/fuel mixture to make a complete ash of
ourselves and our machines.
It does give me a sense of satisfaction knowing that most airplane guys I am
around are thinking about what can go wrong with fuel and fueling - what
really scares me is some of the things I see going on at the local car
fueling stations - most people fueling cars, or filling gas cans, don't even
think of what can happen.
Keep those brain cells exercised, Fly Safe and Fuel safe.
Dave S
St Paul
Do Not Archive
On Saturday 01 April 2006 10:06 am, Alan & Linda Daniels wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels
> <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
>
>
> Someone at I think Caldwell was power buffing their Lancair 4p and for
> some reason removed the gas caps.
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| Subject: | Re: How do you refuel your kitfox? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
I have had solvent handling safety experts tell me that you can not get
static discharge when using plastic cans and tanks because the plastic
doesn't conduct well enough to cause the discharge. I suspect that this is
true when humidity is in the double digits, but I have seen methanol ignited
going into a 500 gallon polyethylene tank. Humidity was about 7% at the
time.
I would caution against grounding plastic tanks. It can be done, but if not
done right, you can increase the hazard by creating more opportunity for
sparks than existed before.
I like Alan's Static Guard and then let the plastic gas can sit on the wing
for a few minutes prior to pouring. I also ground my body by touching metal
on the frame immediately prior to pouring.
Randy - Series 5/7 - 912S
.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan & Linda
Daniels
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: How do you refuel your kitfox?
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
Plastic is the worst for static. Ground the plane. Kill the static with
Static Guard like for computers or woman's dresses. Don't touch the gas
cap on the plane first. Put the gas jug on the ground. Spray can,
funnel, and plane with static guard. Then touch the plane with the can
away from the gas cap. They you can fuel. We had a horrible disaster up
this way a month or so ago fueling from static that killed the 17 year
old that was fueling and the father that tried to save him is still
critical. And that was from a certified fueling truck.
wingnut wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
>
>
>cliffh(at)outdrs.net wrote:
>
>
>>I use two wires to ground the airplane. One is clipped to the funnel in
the
>>tank, and the other end, to the landing gear. The other is clipped to the
>>landind gear, the other end is clipped to the metal frame of the hanger.
>>---
>>
>>
>
>
>Hmm. What if eveything I'm using is plastic (can, spout, funnel, etc). Is
there still a static issue? There's no point in grounding a plastic funnel
right?
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=25617#25617
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: How do you refuel your kitfox? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Thanks Mike. Also thanks for the heating idea. I have trouble keeping my
engine temperatures up so cover a lot of the radiator.
Randy
Do not archive.
.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kitfoxmike
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 12:45 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: How do you refuel your kitfox?
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com>
those of you interested in the plastic container this is one simular to the
one I have.
http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/item.aspx?style=16745&department=633&di
vision=6
--------
kitfoxmike
kitfox4 1200 912ul speedster
http://www.frappr.com/kitfoxmike
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=25615#25615
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
It isn't just the cars... I have an RV that has a
propane fired fridge. The fridge burner is about 4
feet from where you fill the gas tank. Easy to forget
to turn off the fridge before filling with gas.
Really gets your attention, if you know about the
risk, when the fridge lights off as you are gassing
the RV. If you are around an RV being gassed, watch
out. The owner may not know the risks.
Who designs these things?
Kurt S.
--- Dave and Diane <ddsyverson@comcast.net> wrote:
- what really scares me is some of the things I see
> going on at the local car
> fueling stations - most people fueling cars, or
> filling gas cans, don't even think of what can
> happen.
>
> Keep those brain cells exercised, Fly Safe and Fuel
> safe.
>
> Dave S
> St Paul
>
> Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Press release hacked |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
Would have been a good source for us VW Kitfox builders. Ron NB Ore
do not archive
>From: "Bruce Harrington" <sonex321@msn.com>
>To: "Kitfox List" <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Press release hacked
>Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 15:25:28 -0800
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" <sonex321@msn.com>
>
>Hot off the internet!
>bh
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jim Cunningham" <jlcunni6@yahoo.com>
>
>
>Hey everyone... just hacked this off the NetNewsAero server...it's
>going out in tomorrow's edition. This is indeed exciting news and
>explains the "Cub" sightings around Sonex of late.
>
>Jim
>
>________________
>Sonex Acquires Rights to Kitfox
>
>
>Oshkosh, WI-Sonex Aircraft, until recently Sonex Ltd., announced
>today that they have acquired the rights to the popular Kitfox
>aircraft line. The Kitfox was produced for over 20 years in various
>models, most recently by the Skystar Corporation. Skystar filed for
>Chapter 11 protection and ceased operations in October, 2005. Sonex
>Aircraft has purchased the rights to the Series 4-7 designs of the
>Kitfox as well as existing kit and part inventories with the
>exception of engine mounts and related engine components. Although no
>official announcement has been made, popular speculation in the
>homebuilt community is that the company will power the Kitfox with
>the AeroVee engine, made by Aero Conversions, which is also owned by
>Sonex Aircraft.
>
>"I've always loved tube and fabric airplanes," says Sonex President
>John Monnett. "The first plane I ever restored was an old Aeronca
>defender back in the late 1960s, and before launching the Sonex I
>restored a bunch of Cubs and other vintage machines. So acquiring the
>Kitfox design was a very natural thing."
>
>Vice President and General Manager Jeremy Monnett agrees. "The Kitfox
>is a perfect complement to our product line. Now we'll have a wider
>range of products for the homebuilder and be able to bring the same
>quality, price, and value to the tube and fabric builder that we have
>for those who build metal airplanes."
>
>Sonex Aircraft reports that they should have parts ready for shipping
>very soon. Observers in Oshkosh report seeing large trucks unloading
>large quantities of what appeared to be aircraft components in the
>middle of the night, in some cases steel cage fuselage components
>such as those used in the Kitfox design. Truck after truck was
>unloaded for hours on end. Those doing the unloading were obviously
>exhausted by the process, but whenever activity slowed down much a
>powerful male voice boomed "Faster, you lazy slugs! We fired people
>at Elgin who were half as slow as you are! MOVE IT!!!"
>
>When asked about the possibility of adding a composite aircraft to
>their product line, John Monnett was adamant. "It'll be a cold day in
>hell when we do that," said John. His son wasn't so sure. "That's
>exactly what you said about designing another trigear airplane," he
>said to his dad while pointing to the trigear Sonex Sport Trainer.
>
>"That's it," said John, visibly angered. "Go to your office, without
>lunch. Right now." Jeremy then stomped over to the company's "cold
>storage" hangar and, to this reporter's amazement, took a piece of
>colored chalk and drew a long line on the edge of the building's
>concrete aircraft ramp.
>
>Family aircraft business stalwart Betty Monnett just shrugged. "This
>is a typical cycle. Jeremy actually owns the `cold storage' building,
>so it's his personal property. His dad can't go in there unless he
>approves; eventually he'll need to get something and negotiations
>will begin with Jeremy calling out his demands from the window of the
>tower there using a bullhorn. Eventually they'll reach a settlement."
>This reporter wondered if this sort of work cycle interfered with
>company business. "Not at all," responded Betty. "They're just
>figureheads for public consumption.... actors and models who look
>good to the average EAA member. They don't have any real
>responsibilities with the company. Surely you know who really runs
>this business, don't you? I just try to keep a low profile. Besides,
>my husband and son's behaviors are real entertainment for Heather and
>me."
>
>
>_____________________
>
>Wasn't going to post my annual April post early, but since Mark
>started the party early (always a fun thing to do) I thought I'd jump
>in.
>
>Jim
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Press release hacked |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Robertson" <aerocontrols@clearwave.ca>
Uhhhhhhh, one should remember tody's date, eh!
Have a great day everyone!
Bob Robertson
----- Original Message -----
From: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 9:51 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Press release hacked
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick"
<roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
>
> Would have been a good source for us VW Kitfox builders. Ron NB Ore
> do not archive
>
> >From: "Bruce Harrington" <sonex321@msn.com>
> >To: "Kitfox List" <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: Kitfox-List: Press release hacked
> >Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 15:25:28 -0800
> >
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" <sonex321@msn.com>
> >
> >Hot off the internet!
> >bh
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Jim Cunningham" <jlcunni6@yahoo.com>
> >
> >
> >Hey everyone... just hacked this off the NetNewsAero server...it's
> >going out in tomorrow's edition. This is indeed exciting news and
> >explains the "Cub" sightings around Sonex of late.
> >
> >Jim
> >
> >________________
> >Sonex Acquires Rights to Kitfox
> >
> >
> >Oshkosh, WI-Sonex Aircraft, until recently Sonex Ltd., announced
> >today that they have acquired the rights to the popular Kitfox
> >aircraft line. The Kitfox was produced for over 20 years in various
> >models, most recently by the Skystar Corporation. Skystar filed for
> >Chapter 11 protection and ceased operations in October, 2005. Sonex
> >Aircraft has purchased the rights to the Series 4-7 designs of the
> >Kitfox as well as existing kit and part inventories with the
> >exception of engine mounts and related engine components. Although no
> >official announcement has been made, popular speculation in the
> >homebuilt community is that the company will power the Kitfox with
> >the AeroVee engine, made by Aero Conversions, which is also owned by
> >Sonex Aircraft.
> >
> >"I've always loved tube and fabric airplanes," says Sonex President
> >John Monnett. "The first plane I ever restored was an old Aeronca
> >defender back in the late 1960s, and before launching the Sonex I
> >restored a bunch of Cubs and other vintage machines. So acquiring the
> >Kitfox design was a very natural thing."
> >
> >Vice President and General Manager Jeremy Monnett agrees. "The Kitfox
> >is a perfect complement to our product line. Now we'll have a wider
> >range of products for the homebuilder and be able to bring the same
> >quality, price, and value to the tube and fabric builder that we have
> >for those who build metal airplanes."
> >
> >Sonex Aircraft reports that they should have parts ready for shipping
> >very soon. Observers in Oshkosh report seeing large trucks unloading
> >large quantities of what appeared to be aircraft components in the
> >middle of the night, in some cases steel cage fuselage components
> >such as those used in the Kitfox design. Truck after truck was
> >unloaded for hours on end. Those doing the unloading were obviously
> >exhausted by the process, but whenever activity slowed down much a
> >powerful male voice boomed "Faster, you lazy slugs! We fired people
> >at Elgin who were half as slow as you are! MOVE IT!!!"
> >
> >When asked about the possibility of adding a composite aircraft to
> >their product line, John Monnett was adamant. "It'll be a cold day in
> >hell when we do that," said John. His son wasn't so sure. "That's
> >exactly what you said about designing another trigear airplane," he
> >said to his dad while pointing to the trigear Sonex Sport Trainer.
> >
> >"That's it," said John, visibly angered. "Go to your office, without
> >lunch. Right now." Jeremy then stomped over to the company's "cold
> >storage" hangar and, to this reporter's amazement, took a piece of
> >colored chalk and drew a long line on the edge of the building's
> >concrete aircraft ramp.
> >
> >Family aircraft business stalwart Betty Monnett just shrugged. "This
> >is a typical cycle. Jeremy actually owns the `cold storage' building,
> >so it's his personal property. His dad can't go in there unless he
> >approves; eventually he'll need to get something and negotiations
> >will begin with Jeremy calling out his demands from the window of the
> >tower there using a bullhorn. Eventually they'll reach a settlement."
> >This reporter wondered if this sort of work cycle interfered with
> >company business. "Not at all," responded Betty. "They're just
> >figureheads for public consumption.... actors and models who look
> >good to the average EAA member. They don't have any real
> >responsibilities with the company. Surely you know who really runs
> >this business, don't you? I just try to keep a low profile. Besides,
> >my husband and son's behaviors are real entertainment for Heather and
> >me."
> >
> >
> >_____________________
> >
> >Wasn't going to post my annual April post early, but since Mark
> >started the party early (always a fun thing to do) I thought I'd jump
> >in.
> >
> >Jim
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: How do you refuel your kitfox? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Paul Wilson <pwmac@sisna.com>
I read that the static discharge comes from the liquid flowing into the
tank. The composition of the can does not matter. The static charge
collects on the surface of the container which is why one should always
fill the container on the concrete at the gas station. Filling the
container in the back of the truck or trailer is high risk. Plenty of
anecdotal stories of plastic tanks going off when filled in somebodies pickup.
If the container/spout is in contact with the fill port of the plane tank
then the risk is lower compared to non contact. For lower risk using a
funnel make sure funnel contacts the fuel tank and the container contacts
the funnel. Risk is even lower if the plane tank opening is grounded along
with the fill container. I was surprised that Skystar did not recommend
grounding the tank opening.
Lots of info on the web on this subject. Lots of variables control the risk
so good practice is always wise.
Regards, Paul
======================
At 09:12 AM 4/1/2006, you wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh"
><rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
>
>I have had solvent handling safety experts tell me that you can not get
>static discharge when using plastic cans and tanks because the plastic
>doesn't conduct well enough to cause the discharge. I suspect that this is
>true when humidity is in the double digits, but I have seen methanol ignited
>going into a 500 gallon polyethylene tank. Humidity was about 7% at the
>time.
>
>I would caution against grounding plastic tanks. It can be done, but if not
>done right, you can increase the hazard by creating more opportunity for
>sparks than existed before.
>
>I like Alan's Static Guard and then let the plastic gas can sit on the wing
>for a few minutes prior to pouring. I also ground my body by touching metal
>on the frame immediately prior to pouring.
>
>Randy - Series 5/7 - 912S
>
>.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan & Linda
>Daniels
>Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 3:30 PM
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: How do you refuel your kitfox?
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
>
>Plastic is the worst for static. Ground the plane. Kill the static with
>Static Guard like for computers or woman's dresses. Don't touch the gas
>cap on the plane first. Put the gas jug on the ground. Spray can,
>funnel, and plane with static guard. Then touch the plane with the can
>away from the gas cap. They you can fuel. We had a horrible disaster up
>this way a month or so ago fueling from static that killed the 17 year
>old that was fueling and the father that tried to save him is still
>critical. And that was from a certified fueling truck.
>
>wingnut wrote:
>
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
> >
> >
> >cliffh(at)outdrs.net wrote:
> >
> >
> >>I use two wires to ground the airplane. One is clipped to the funnel in
>the
> >>tank, and the other end, to the landing gear. The other is clipped to the
> >>landind gear, the other end is clipped to the metal frame of the hanger.
> >>---
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >Hmm. What if eveything I'm using is plastic (can, spout, funnel, etc). Is
>there still a static issue? There's no point in grounding a plastic funnel
>right?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Read this topic online here:
> >
> >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=25617#25617
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: How do you refuel your kitfox? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Richard Rabbers" <rira1950@yahoo.com>
This topic is important to all - If there are any experts that could propose the
ultimate fueling method and precautions - please help.
I believe that all of us understand transfering and handling fuel is hazardous.
Let's continue to find the safest way to carryout this repetative task.
I work with plastic films - carbon black is the cheapest way to make plastic conductive.
Another method is additive that blooms to the surface and draws moisture
out of the atmosphere to the surface of the plastic (not effective at low
humidity) Understanding what causes static then minimizing static generation,
dissapating any result and all other other precations should be pursued.
Here's some collected info that speaks to a few recent postings
http://www.aclstaticide.com/01/ (go to 'static eductation page /a good overview of EDS)
.Excerpt from fueling related pages
http://www.purgit.com/static.html (Static Electric Discharge Hazard)
..Static electricity is generated when liquids move in contact with other materials.
This is a common occurrence when liquid is being moved through pipes, mixed,
poured, pumped, filtered, or otherwise agitated
http://www.environmental.usace.army.mil/library/faq/faqproeng/faqproeng.html (What are safe practices for handling recovered flammable liquids, especially JP-4 and JP-8? )
. When liquids flow through closed metal pipes, static electricity is not a hazard.
It may become a hazard, however, when liquids are pumped into tanks. Charges
produced in the liquid during pumping can accumulate on the surface of the
liquid and cause sparking between the liquid surface and the tank or a projection
in the tank..
..Filters in pipelines greatly increase the generation of static electricity.
In one in aircraft fueling test it was reported that the charge development was
10 to 200 times more with a filter than without one
In addition, all sampling probes and containers should preferably be non-conductive;
a lost conductive object floating in a tank could cause sparking when it
approaches the tank wall
Some vendors may claim to have intrinsically safe air-operated pumps on the market
that are in fact not appropriate for handling flammable liquids. Pumps that
use compressed air to directly contact and "push" the fluid from the pump should
not be used for transferring flammable liquids. However, there are a number
of pumps on the market that are capable of transferring combustible liquids
without using compressed air as the means of transfer. Also, some companies
offer a bellows or bladder pump that isolates the compressed air from the fluid
pumped.
--------
Richard in SW Michigan
Model 1 / 618 - full-lotus floats (restoration)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=25806#25806
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| Subject: | Matronics Email List Wiki! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
I have added a new feature to the Email List Forums at Matronics called a Wiki. What's "Wiki" you ask? A Wiki is a website. You go to it and browse just like you would any other web site. The difference is, you can change it. You can put anything you want on this web site without having to be a web designer or even being the owner. You can write a new page just like writing an email message on the BBS. You don't need to send it off to anyone to install on the site. It is kind of like a Blog (weblog) in which anyone can post. Here is a great page on where the term Wiki came from and what it means in the context of a website: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki
So on to the new Matronics Email List Wiki... I've created this site for anyone
from any of the Email Lists to use. I envision that there are a great many
things that can be added to this new Wiki since there are always new and interesting
tidbits of useful information traversing the Lists.
Off the main Matronics Email List Wiki page, you will find a link called "Community
Portal". Here you will find more links to stubs for all the various Lists
found at Matronics (and a few other links). Brian Lloyd and others from the
Yak-List have already begun adding content in a number of areas. Bob Nuckolls
of AeroElectric fame has added a great article on "Ageing Aircraft".
I have discussed the new Matronics Email List Wiki with Tedd McHenry and Dwight Frye of the RV Wiki Site and they have decided to merge their site over onto the new Matronics Wiki server giving everyone a single source for information on RV building and flying! This migration will begin today and you should be able to find all of the content currently found at www.rvwiki.org moved over to the Matronics Wiki within a few days.
To make edits to the Matronics Wiki, you will need to have a login account on the
Matronics Wiki and I have disabled anonymous edits. This protects the Wiki
site from automated spam engines and other nuisances that could compromise the
data at the site.
Signing up for an account is fast and easy and begins by clicking on the "create
an account or log in" link in the upper right hand corner of any page. Note
that you do not have to have a login or be logged in to view any of the content.
The Matronics Email List Wiki is YOUR Wiki! It is only as useful as the content
found within. The concept of the Wiki is that the people the use it and update
it. If you've got an interesting procedure for doing something, MAKE A WIKI
PAGE ON IT! You can even upload pictures. Saw something interesting at a
flyin? MAKE A WIKI PAGE ON IT! Don't be shy, this is YOUR site to share information
with others with similar interests.
Here is a users guide on using the Wiki implemented at Matronics: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Contents This gives a lot of great information on how to get started editing pages.
And finally, here is the URL for the Matronics Email List Wiki:
http://wiki.matronics.com
Brian Lloyd has written an excellent introduction to Wikis on the front page.
I encourage you to read it over, then drill into the "Community Portal" and HAVE
FUN!!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| Subject: | Pressurized fuel filling tanks? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: James Shumaker <jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net>
DOES ANYBODY SEE A PROBLEM WITH PRESSURIZING A GAS TANK TO FORCE FUEL INTO AN AIRCRAFT????!!!
I certainly have several problems with this method and none of them have good
outcomes.
1) Any leak in the container will force out fuel and/or volatile mixtures of
gas air until the pressure is relieved. That could be the whole 55 gallons or
whatever.
2) The leak will not manifest itself when you are actually at the tank and can
take care of it.
3) No mention of relieving the pressure was mentioned. If there were such
a relief the air gas mixture would probably be at an ignitable ratio and of a
much larger volume than normal unpressurized venting.
4) How do you monitor the pressure in the tank. Without a fail-safe system
the potential for overpressure is great. The risk of an overpressure include,
leaks, rupture and explosion.
5) In the case of an overpressure without rupture there is a real possibility
of spontaneous combustion. Worst case is a shop air compressor connected to
the tank to add a couple pounds of pressure. The cell phone rings and a minutes
distraction allows the nearly full tank to reach compressor tank pressure.
That is about 125 psi right? 10 to 1 compression in a cylinder would mean 147
pounds of pressure so we are close to a pressure where diesel engines operate
without spark plugs. Phone call means the flight is canceled. Turn off the
compressor and leave. Now the tank is going to bake in the sun during the day
and raise the pressure a little higher. It won't take much to touch this off.
Did I mention this is a 55 gallon non certified barrel. The lid didn't quite
seal so a gasket was added to keep in that little 5 pound pressure. But now
the lid is not well grounded to the barrel and the little spark that jumps
from the spout handle finds an easy path to jump INSI
DE the
barrel...and we have ignition!!!
Has that actually happened? well...maybe not the cell phone part....but it is
fun to think about and the dangers are very real. Pretty unrealistic anyways
because a 55 gallon barrel would probably burst from that much pressure....and
then ignite.
And yes I AM an Electrician and Yes THIS STUFF ABOUT TANKS CERTIFIED FOR HAZARDOUS
ATMOSPHERES, PRESSURIZED FUEL TANKS AND PROPER GROUNDING IS IN THE CODES
BECAUSE IT IS DANGEROUS.
Jim Shumaker
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com>
I wanted to post this again. It was a response to winter flying.
Most of the winter I flew with the shivers. Then I figured out a great way for
heat. I took an oil funnel and strapped it to the back of the radiator cooler(wire
ties) and then took some of that hose with metal wire inside for aircraft(about
1.5 inches diameter) and pop rivited it to the funnel, I cut the opening
to the funnel for good flow. Then I put this hose up through the floor and pointed
it to the front. Works fantastic, will raise the temp inside at least 20
degrees f. Under 45 degrees outside I add 3 inches of 2inch duck tape to the
front of the cooler, puts the temp right at 180 degrees. below 35 outside temp
I put on 6 inches of tape. above 60 degrees you will be opening vents. Took
me 15 minutes to hook this up.
The best thing about this setup is no electrical usage, and no taping into the
water system. You get heat on the ground and the amount of heat is like you have
the heater on high in your pickup.
--------
kitfoxmike
kitfox4 1200 912ul speedster
http://www.frappr.com/kitfoxmike
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Thanks for the tip, Rex....I got the size down with "image size" but
under File in the menu, "save for web" is not highlighted...it is
dimmed. I will off-list you if I can't figure it out.
Lynn
do not archive
On Friday, March 31, 2006, at 12:10 PM, Rex wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Rex <gypsybee@copper.net>
>
> Lynn,
> If Sid's tip doesn't work for you try this. You mentioned using
> Photoshop. Save a copy of the picture with a different name. Open the
> new file in Photoshop. Check the Actual pixels display size in the View
> menu and use the Image menu to adjust the size using "Image size". Once
> you have the actual pixel size fitted on the screen for full viewing
> look for "Save for Web" in the File menu. That will optimize the image
> for web use. You can't do much better than that, but sometimes using
> the
> Filter menu with Sharpen can improve the resulting image a little. Good
> Luck. Contact me off list if you have any other questions.
>
> Rex
> Colorado
> do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Press release hacked |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" <sonex321@msn.com>
Hi Lowell,
The comment at the end from Jim Cunningham should have been a dead give away
that it was an April 1st event!
Cheers,
bh
> Well, I guess ol' Jim got me this time. It was the NetNewsAero server
> that
> threw me off.
>
> Thanks Bruce :-)
>
> Lowell
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| Subject: | Kitfox 4-1200 912 UL 125 hrs TT For Sale |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jay Fabian" <experimental208nd@comcast.net>
Hi List,
No excuses, just might be the time to sell the Fox.
I have it on Barnstormers also.
I have pics if needed and more info too.
Contact me off line,
Kitfox 4-1200 912 UL 125 hrs TT For Sale 2001 built., Brs, 3 bld prop, long wing,
bungee gear, full thick bubble windows, doors and turtle deck. Blue and white
stripe scheme. $35,000 BRO.
Give me a shout for details
Thanks
Jay
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| Subject: | Official Kitfox-List Usage Guidelines |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Kitfox-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Kitfox-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Kitfox-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
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things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
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- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
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- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
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- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
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- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
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- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
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- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
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Please read over the Kitfox-List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) below. The
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or Eudora. For example, the following two email addresses may be
functionally equivalent, but only one would pass the Matronics Email SPAM
test depending on which was syntax was subscribed to the given List:
smith@machine.domain.com
smith@domain.com
Either email address syntax is alright, just be sure that you configure
your email application to match *exactly* the address you've subscibed to
the List.
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*** Enclosures Stripped Out - Can't Get a Virus From the List ***
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Any enclosures that are posted to the List will automatically be
stripped off, and ONLY the plain/text portion of the message will be
forwarded to the List.
Please configure your Email application to send Plain Text Only, and
disable any "Quoted Printable" or "HTML" encoding whenever possible.
Because enclosures are stripped out of incoming posts to the List,
the likelihood of getting a virus from the List is extremely small.
If you do receive a message that appears to be from the List, and it
does include a virus, it is very likely that it was sent *directly*
to you from someone on the List who has a virus. This is a specific
kind of virus, and you should try to inform the sender, if possible.
The best protection against viruses is a good virus protection program
such as Norton Antivirus. State of the art in virus protection today's
world gives maximum protection with little or no negative impact on
the computer system. You can't afford to be without a good virus
protection program these days.
Note that some limited enclosure posting is now enabled on a number
of Lists. Allowed types include .jpg, .gif, .txt, .pdf, .xls, and
a few other similar types.
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*** Digest Mode ***
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Each day, starting at 12 midnight PST US, a new 'digest' will be started.
This digest will contain the same information that is currently appended
to the archive file. It has all of the headers except for the "From:"
and "Subject:" lines removed, and includes a message separator consisting
of a line of underscores.
Each day at 23:55 PST US, the day's messages as described above will be
combined and sent as a single message to everyone on the digest email list.
To subscribe to the digest list, use the same subscription web form
described above, and just select the Digest version of the List.
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Note that you *can* be subscribed to both the realtime and digest versions
of the List at the same time. This is perfectly acceptable.
Now some caveats:
* Messages sent to "kitfox-list-digest" will be forwarded to the standard
email list. In other words, you cannot post messages only to the
digest List.
* If you are subscribed to both the regular List and the digest List, you
will receive the realtime postings as well as the digest at the end of
the day.
* If you reply to the digest email, your message will be forwarded to the
normal list associated with the digest. Important Note: Please change
the subject line to reflect the topic of your response! Also, please
*do not include all or most of the digest in your reply*.
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*** List Digest Browser ***
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An archive of all the List Digests can be found online in either plain text
or HTML format. These archives contain the exact Digest that was posted to
the Digest email list on the given day. The Digest Archives can be found
at the following location:
http://www.matronics.com/digest
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*** The "DO NOT ARCHIVE" Message Flag ***
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At times, your message may concern something that is revelent only to a very
small number of persons or to a limited area, and you may not wish to archive
it. In such a case, simply put the following phrase anywhere in the
message:
do not archive
Your message will not be appended to the archive, but will be sent to List
email distribution as normal.
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***** READ THIS - Automatic Unsubscribes *****
**********************************************
Note that if your email address begins to cause problems such as bounced
email, mailbox is filled, or any other errors, your address will be promptly
removed from the List. If you discover that you are no longer receiving
messages from the Kitfox-List, go to the following Web page, and look
for your email address and a possible reason for your removal.
The Matronics Email List uses utility called the "Email Weasel" that
automatically looks though the day's bounced email for addresses that
caused problems due to common things like "user is unknown", "mailbox
full", etc. If the Email Weasel removes your email address from the
Lists you will find record of it at the following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/unsubscribed
If the problem listed on the web site above has been resolved, please feel
free to resubscribe to the Lists of your choice.
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*** List Member Information ***
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If you have not done so already, please email me your phone numbers and
paper mail address in the following format:
smith@somehost.com
Joe Smith
123 Airport Lane
Tower, CA 91234-1234
098-765-1234 w
123-456-7890 h
Please forward this information to the following email address:
requests@matronics.com
I have a file of such things, that I typically use to contact you when
there are problems with your email address. The information will NOT
be used for any other commercial purpose.
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*** Realtime Web Email List Browsing ***
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Recent messages posted to the Kitfox-List are also made available on
the Web for realtime browsing. Seven days worth of back postings are
available with this feature. The messages can be sorted by Subject,
Author, Date, or Message Thread. The Realtime List Browser indexes are
updated twice per hour at xx:15 and xx:45. You can also reply to a message
or start a new message directly from the List Browser Interface (coming soon).
You do not have to be subscribed to the given list to use the List
Browser Interface in view-mode.
http://www.matronics.com/browselist/kitfox-list
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*** Web Forums Bulletin Board Interface ***
*******************************************
A phpBB BBS web Forums front end is available for all Kitfox-List content.
content. The Forums contain all of the same content available via the email
distribution and found on the various archive viewing formats such as the
List Browse, etc. Any posts on the web Forums will be cross posted to the
respective email List, and posts to the Email List will be cross posted to
the web Forums.
You may view all List content on the Forums without any special login.
If you wish to post a message via the Web Forum interface, however, you
will need to Register. This is a simple process that takes only a few
minutes. A link to the Registration page can be found at the top of the
main web Forums page. Note that registering on the Forum web site also
enables you to send email posts to the Lists as well. You will also need to
Subscribe to the respective Email List as described above to receive the
Email Distribution of the List, however.
The Matroincs Email List Web BBS Forums can be found at the following URL:
http://forums.matronics.com
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*** Matronics Email List Wiki ***
*********************************
In an attempt to make it easy to store and find structured and often accessed
information, Matronics has installed a Wiki at:
http://wiki.matronics.com
The Wiki allows individuals to create web pages to contain useful information
for other users of the mailing lists and web site. Unlike an ordinary web page
where the content needs to be submitted to Matronics for inclusion, the Wiki
permits the users to construct their own pages and have them visible immediately.
While constructing pages for the Wiki is not difficult, some may not be
comfortable building pages. In that case, simply prepare the text and any
images and email it to:
wiki-support@matronics.com
One of the volunteers on that list will take your submission and construct
a Wiki page for you.
Often someone produces a particularly useful posting in email one one of the
Lists that would be of general interest. In that case Matronics may take that
post and convert it into a Wiki page.
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*** List Archives ***
*********************
A file containing of all of the previous postings to the Kitfox-List is
available on line. The archive file information is available via the
Web and FTP in a number of forms. Each are briefly described below:
* Kitfox-List.FAQ
- Latest version of the Kitfox-List Frequently Asked Question
page (this document).
* Kitfox-Archive.digest.complete
- Complete file with most of the email header info removed and
page breaks inserted between messages.
* Kitfox-Archive.digest.vol-??
- Same as the file above, but broken up into small sections that
can more easily handled.
* Kitfox-Archive.digest.complete.zip
- Same as the Kitfox-Archive.digest.complete file above, but
in PKZIP format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
* Kitfox-Archive.digest.complete.Z
- Same as the Kitfox-Archive.digest.complete file above, but in
UNIX compress format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
Download Via FTP
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The archive file is available via anonymous FTP from ftp.matronics.com
in the "/pub/Archives" directory. It is updated daily and can be found in
a number of formats as described above. (All filenames are case sensitive.)
ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives
Download Via Web
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The archives are also available via a web listing. These can be found
toward the bottom of the following web page:
http://www.matronics.com/archives
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*** Complete List Web Archive Browsing ***
******************************************
All messages posted to the Kitfox-List are also available using the
Email List Archive Browsing feature. With this utility, all messages
in the List are indexed, and individual sub-archives can be browsed.
http://www.matronics.com/archive/archive-index.cgi?Kitfox
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**** High-Speed Archive Search Engine ***
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You can use the custom, high-performance Matronics Email List Search Engine
to quickly locate and browse any messages that have been posted to the
List. The Engine allows the user to easily search any of the currently
available List archives.
http://www.matronics.com/search
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*** File and Photo Share ***
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With the Matronics Email List File and Photo Share you can share pictures
and other data with members of the List without having to forward a
copy of it to everyone. To share your Files and Photos, simply email
them to:
pictures@matronics.com
!! ==> Please including the following information with each submission:
1) Email Lists that they are related to.
2) Your Full Name.
3) Your Email Address.
4) One line Subject description.
5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic.
6-x) One-line Description of each photo or file
Prior to public availability of the files and photos, each will be scanned
for viruses. Please also note that the process of making the files and
photos available on the web site is a pseudo-manual process, and I try to
process them every few days.
Following the availability of the new Photoshare, an email message will be
sent to the Email Lists enumerated in 1) above indicating that the new
Share is available and what the direct URL to it is.
For a current list of available Photoshares, have a look at the Main
Index Page:
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
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*** List Archive CDROM ***
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A complete Matronics Email List Archive CD is available that contains
all of the archives since the beginning of each of the Lists. The archives
for all of the Lists are included on the CD along with a freeware search
engine written by a list member. The CD is burned the day you order it
and will contain archive received up to the last minute. They make
great gifts!
http://www.matronics.com/ArchiveCDROM
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*** List Support Contributions ***
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The Matronics Lists are run *completely* through the support of it members.
You won't find any PopUpAds, flashing Banner ads, or any other form of
annoying commercialism on either the Email Messages or the List web pages
associated with the Matronics Email Lists. Every year during November
I run a low-key, low-pressure "Fund Raiser" where, throughout the month,
I ask List members to make a Contribution in any amount with which they
are comfortable.
I will often offer free gifts with certain contribution levels during the
Fund Raiser to increase the participation. The gifts are usually donated
by companies that are themselves List members.
Your Contributions go directly to supporting the operation of the Lists
including the high-speed, business-class Internet connection, server
system hardware and software upgrades, and to partially offset the many
many hours I spend running, maintaining, upgrading, and developing the
variety of services found here.
Generally Contributions range from $20 to $100 and are completely voluntary
and non-compulsory. I ask only that if person enjoys the Lists and obtains
value from them, that they make a Contribution of equal magnitude.
Contributions are accepted throughout the year, and if you've just
subscribed, feel free to make a Contribution when you've settled in.
The website for making SSL Secure Contributions is listed below. There are
a variety of payment methods including Visa and MasterCard, PayPal, and
sending a personal check.
If you enjoy and value the List, won't you make a Contribution today to
support its continued operation?
http://www.matronics.com/contributions
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
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Kitfox-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Kitfox-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Kitfox-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Kitfox-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Kitfox-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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