Kitfox-List Digest Archive

Tue 04/04/06


Total Messages Posted: 33



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     1. 04:21 AM - Re: Michigan fly-in possibility (FREDERICKSON, JOHN L [AG/2553])
     2. 05:18 AM - Re: Michigan fly-in possibility (Lynn Matteson)
     3. 06:19 AM - Re: Meeting Kitfoxers at Sun 'n Fun (Rex)
     4. 06:33 AM - Re: pressure filling tanks..... (Rex Hefferan)
     5. 07:11 AM - Re: Re: pressure filling tanks..... (Aerobatics@aol.com)
     6. 07:35 AM - Re: flaps (kitfoxmike)
     7. 07:35 AM - Re: flaps (kitfoxmike)
     8. 08:00 AM - Re: pressure filling tanks..... (Clint Bazzill)
     9. 09:00 AM - Re: flaps (Fox5flyer)
    10. 09:00 AM - More items found (wingsdown)
    11. 09:02 AM - Re: pressure filling tanks..... (wingsdown)
    12. 09:36 AM - Re: coolant recovery bottle (johnciolino@comcast.net)
    13. 10:55 AM - Please Post pics of your cowling. Re: Re: Corvair in a Fox V (Harris, Robert)
    14. 11:20 AM - Re: Meeting Kitfoxers at Sun 'n Fun (W Duke)
    15. 02:38 PM - Re: power to weight (markL)
    16. 02:41 PM - Re: power to weight (markL)
    17. 03:20 PM - Landing Lights on a Model 4? (wingnut)
    18. 03:24 PM - Re: More items found (tony fiacco)
    19. 04:07 PM - Re: Landing Lights on a Model 4? (Clint Bazzill)
    20. 04:38 PM - Re: Landing Lights on a Model 4? (kitfoxmike)
    21. 04:39 PM - Re: Landing Lights on a Model 4? (kitfoxmike)
    22. 04:46 PM - Re: Landing Lights on a Model 4? (wingnut)
    23. 04:46 PM - Re: Landing Lights on a Model 4? (kitfoxmike)
    24. 04:50 PM - Off topic PA28-140 for sale (Alan & Linda Daniels)
    25. 04:50 PM - Re: Landing Lights on a Model 4? (wingnut)
    26. 06:54 PM - Re: Top Gun Dave/Fueling the Kitfox (Rex Shaw)
    27. 07:11 PM - Re: Corvair in a Fox V (Norm Beauchamp)
    28. 07:11 PM - Re: Landing Lights on a Model 4? (jeff puls)
    29. 08:40 PM - Re: Re: power to weight (kurt schrader)
    30. 10:20 PM - Re: Re: Landing Lights on a Model 4? (kurt schrader)
    31. 10:20 PM - Re: off topic - Date time note (kurt schrader)
    32. 10:26 PM - Re: pressure filling tanks..... (kurt schrader)
    33. 10:43 PM - Re: What do I do if no part of my fule system is grounded? (kurt schrader)
 
 
 


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    Time: 04:21:09 AM PST US
    From: "FREDERICKSON, JOHN L [AG/2553]" <john.l.frederickson@monsanto.com>
    Subject: Michigan fly-in possibility
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "FREDERICKSON, JOHN L [AG/2553]" <john.l.frederickson@monsanto.com> How about Kalamazoo? They have the 'Air Zoo' there, which is a nice museum airplane museum.. -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fox5flyer Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 5:44 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Michigan fly-in possibility --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us> Hey guys, didn't somebody say something about centrally located? :-) Deke ----- Original Message ----- From: <wwillyard@aol.com> Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 3:56 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Michigan fly-in possibility > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: wwillyard@aol.com > > I like the Cadillac destination. > > Bill W. > > do not archive > > -----Original Message----- > From: Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Sent: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 06:11:27 -0800 (PST) > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Michigan fly-in possibility > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com> > > If there's interest in more of an "up-North" experience, Big Rapids and/or > Cadillac would be great locations. Cadillac has the added advantage of several > large nearby lakes for our float flyers. > > Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote: --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn > Matteson > > Three Rivers is centrally located? Better have another look at that > Chart, Malcolm. : ) > > Lynn > On Friday, March 31, 2006, at 07:49 PM, Malcolmbru@aol.com wrote: > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Malcolmbru@aol.com > > > > Mark Berpie in three rivers mi would be a good contact and more > > centrally > > located. our ultralite club is having its 12 annual fathers day fly > > in at > > St Johns mi 30 miles north of Lansing. Or even easier why done we > > have a > > contest to see who can have the most kit fox's in one place at a fly > > in in the > > month of June? mal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marco Menezes > Model 2 582 N99KX > > --------------------------------- > > This e-mail message may contain privileged and/or confidential information, and is intended to be received only by persons entitled to receive such information. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately. Please delete it and all attachments from any servers, hard drives or any other media. Other use of this e-mail by you is strictly prohibited. All e-mails and attachments sent and received are subject to monitoring, reading and archival by Monsanto. The recipient of this e-mail is solely responsible for checking for the presence of "Viruses" or other "Malware". Monsanto accepts no liability for any damage caused by any such code transmitted by or accompanying this e-mail or any attachment.


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    Time: 05:18:28 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Michigan fly-in possibility
    From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> I'd rather do Cadillac, and not have to look at that HORRIBLE pink P-40 at the Air Zoo Museum...: ) Lynn On Tuesday, April 4, 2006, at 07:17 AM, FREDERICKSON, JOHN L [AG/2553] wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "FREDERICKSON, JOHN L [AG/2553]" > <john.l.frederickson@monsanto.com> > > How about Kalamazoo? They have the 'Air Zoo' there, which is a nice > museum > airplane museum..


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    Time: 06:19:40 AM PST US
    From: Rex <gypsybee@copper.net>
    Subject: Re: Meeting Kitfoxers at Sun 'n Fun
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Rex <gypsybee@copper.net> Kurt and I are planning to meet each other while at Sun n Fun Thursday. I see on the SnF website that WiFi is available there. If anyone who may already be there should read this message please advise of an easily defined location or method you are aware of to use as a meeting point. At this time we are going to use cell phones to communicate and pick a location once we are there. It would be nice if all Kitfoxers had an idea where we might likely encounter each other. Like, will there be a Kitfox tiedown area? Is there a vendor there that is a KF enthusiast we could coordinate with? Any other ideas? Rex Hefferan (719) 651-9192 Kurt Schrader (502) 648-5484


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    Time: 06:33:38 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: pressure filling tanks.....
    From: "Rex Hefferan" <gypsybee@copper.net>
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex Hefferan" <gypsybee@copper.net> Would love to have it, not sure I can afford it. I have a KF 2. Where are you located? Rex Colorado (Currently: Orlando, FL) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=26413#26413


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    Time: 07:11:32 AM PST US
    From: Aerobatics@aol.com
    Subject: Re: pressure filling tanks.....
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Aerobatics@aol.com In a message dated 4/4/2006 8:34:35 A.M. Central Daylight Time, gypsybee@copper.net writes: Would love to have it, not sure I can afford it. I have a KF 2. Where are you located? Rex Colorado (Currently: Orlando, FL) I have a KF 2 as well, Love it. I am in east central Illinois. 100 Miles due south of Chicago. I will be in Lakeland April 22 to about April 30. Thanks, Dave my personal email is _aerobatics@aol.com_ (mailto:aerobatics@aol.com)


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    Time: 07:35:52 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: flaps
    From: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com>
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com> THe vg's are on the windscreen. -------- kitfoxmike kitfox4 1200 912ul speedster http://www.frappr.com/kitfoxmike Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=26430#26430


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    Time: 07:35:52 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: flaps
    From: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com>
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com> I installed the vg's just in front of the screws that held down the windscreen, just in front of the turdle deck. I spaced them 1.5 inches apart, will have to go to the plane and count them. -------- kitfoxmike kitfox4 1200 912ul speedster http://www.frappr.com/kitfoxmike Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=26429#26429


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    Time: 08:00:27 AM PST US
    From: "Clint Bazzill" <clint_bazzill@hotmail.com>
    Subject: pressure filling tanks.....
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clint Bazzill" <clint_bazzill@hotmail.com> Contact me off line and (650) 712-1802 for trailer Clint From: Aerobatics@aol.com Subject: Kitfox-List: pressure filling tanks..... --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Aerobatics@aol.com I bought a KF 2, beautifully built that came with a fantastic fully enclosed trailer.... I hanger the plane so I stored the trailer. The builder went all out with this trailer. Has a remote controlled winch to pull plane in, lights, alarm system, built in dehumidifier, tracks to guide plane safely in, carpeted, insulated, and even an internal air pump for tires and fuel ..... There are 3, 5 gallon jerry cans with fittings. What you do is, fill the cans, then when ready to fuel plane, simply add air pressure hook up hose and with can on ground, fuel plane. The hose has a valve, so its like going to a gas station. Very convenient! Much easier than holding a 5 gallon can over wing and hose is much lighter than at an airport..... PS since I dont use it.... for sale... Dave


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    Time: 09:00:09 AM PST US
    From: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
    Subject: Re: flaps
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us> This is a good report Mike. My turtle deck has always had a slight vibration at cruise and possibly the VGs would minimize that. Do you plan on placing pictures on Sportflight? I'm sure most of us would be interested in looking at them. Deke Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 1:38 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: flaps > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com> > > I went and saw a friend at spokane international yesterday and he helped me put some vg's on the back of the windscreen to help the effects of the air coming off and onto the turdledeck. Well I hardly ever use the flaps and to gain access to this area I pull full flaps on and went to work. We spaced the vg's 1.5 inches apart with the 15 degree angles. When I went to take off I was cleared for a 21@f departure with the winds at 120@13, I thought not a problem, then I called for departure and the tower asked if I wanted to take off 03 because the winds changed to 090@15, I said I'll take 21 anyway, noticing that the sock was pretty much going all over the place and the one at the beginning of 21 was still at a cross, which was closer to where I was. I pull on the runway and put full power and was amazed at how quick the tail came up and pulled back on the stick and shot up in the air. Soon, well very soon I was up higher than normal, then I had a hard down stick, so I put! > on up trim, thinking I did something with the vg's I called the tower to land on 07 and climbed up to 1000ft agl, turning was tough and then I thought, oh crap the flaps are on, I put the flaps back off and things normalized. What did I learn, the biggest, take off with full flaps is way cool. Next, do my check list with flaps off for take off, but then again having the flaps on full really make a nice cool take off, just don't forget to take them off. I did stick around and did a few touch and go's, kind of cool doing a landing on 07 at the same time a 737 is landing on 21. I did do a high speed run and one direction I got 105knts(gps). this was a down wind for 07 and on final I was doing 94knts, Which put me right over the approach for 07 @ 2000agl, way cool, slipped down to land, droped like a rock. Need to make more test on top speed, but I do believe there was an increase of at least 5mph by installing the vg's to the back of the windscreen to turdledeck. > > -------- > kitfoxmike > kitfox4 1200 912ul speedster > http://www.frappr.com/kitfoxmike > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=26277#26277 > >


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    Time: 09:00:10 AM PST US
    From: "wingsdown" <wingsdown@comcast.net>
    Subject: More items found
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingsdown" <wingsdown@comcast.net> Well I just sold the complete strobe and light setup and ran across a few other items someone might be interested in. I thought I would be moving sooner and had things boxed up, slow market right now. Contact me off list if you like. Full wingtip dual both sides landing light kit with all hardware never installed. Transponder antenna, the fin type. (2) E.I. digital egts less probes. Electric clock MD-90. Yaesu hand held with accessories, has VOR,altitude and DA. (2) custom air/oil separators very nice can be seen on sportflight on my NSI engine. Com/Nav antenna model VHF5-1 Digital volt amp gage by EI VA-1A. (1) left wheel skirt And yes I think there is more somewhere. Rick


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    Time: 09:02:06 AM PST US
    From: "wingsdown" <wingsdown@comcast.net>
    Subject: pressure filling tanks.....
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingsdown" <wingsdown@comcast.net> Wow sounds like a beautiful deal, any chance the plane would be inside if I bought it. :) Rick -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clint Bazzill Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 7:59 AM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: pressure filling tanks..... --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clint Bazzill" --> <clint_bazzill@hotmail.com> Contact me off line and (650) 712-1802 for trailer Clint From: Aerobatics@aol.com Subject: Kitfox-List: pressure filling tanks..... --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Aerobatics@aol.com I bought a KF 2, beautifully built that came with a fantastic fully enclosed trailer.... I hanger the plane so I stored the trailer. The builder went all out with this trailer. Has a remote controlled winch to pull plane in, lights, alarm system, built in dehumidifier, tracks to guide plane safely in, carpeted, insulated, and even an internal air pump for tires and fuel ..... There are 3, 5 gallon jerry cans with fittings. What you do is, fill the cans, then when ready to fuel plane, simply add air pressure hook up hose and with can on ground, fuel plane. The hose has a valve, so its like going to a gas station. Very convenient! Much easier than holding a 5 gallon can over wing and hose is much lighter than at an airport..... PS since I dont use it.... for sale... Dave


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    Time: 09:36:00 AM PST US
    From: johnciolino@comcast.net
    Subject: coolant recovery bottle
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: johnciolino@comcast.net I used a Pepto-Bismol bottle. (The triangular shape fit in the cubby hole next to the oil tank.) Drilled a hole in the plastic cap, added a gromet and installed a plastic tube. Has worked well for 10 years/600 hours. John Ciolino Model IV -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" > > Don, > Check with Lockwood Aviation Supply: www.lockwood-aviation.com > > They have a bottle, p/n 922 315 that is square, about 16 oz, with a tube > fitting at the bottom. > > Randy > > . > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Donald > STEVENSON > Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 3:31 PM > To: Kitfox List > Subject: Kitfox-List: coolant recovery bottle > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Donald STEVENSON > > Hi guys, I'm building a model M4 speedster (1992) I > just went to install the coolant recovery bottle only > to find that I don't have one, I have all the bracket > material but no bottle. Can anyone give me details on > the bottle as to size etc. I have no idea where to > purchase it, so if you know who would sell them that > would be a great help. Thanks once again for your > help, Don > > Don Stevenson Caledon Ontario Canada > M4/1200-912 Speedster > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I used a Pepto-Bismol bottle. (The triangular shape fit in the cubby hole next to the oil tank.) Drilled a hole in the plastic cap, added a gromet and installed a plastic tube. Has worked well for 10 years/600 hours. John Ciolino Model IV -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" rjdaugh@rapidnet.com -- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <RJDAUGH@RAPIDNET.COM> Don, Check with Lockwood Aviation Supply: www.lockwood-aviation.com They have a bottle, p/n 922 315 that is square, about 16 oz, with a tube fitting at the bottom. Randy . -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Donald STEVENSON Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 3:31 PM To: Kitfox List Subject: Kitfox-List: coolant recovery bottle -- Kitfox-List message posted by: Donald STEVENSON <SHERICOM@ROGERS.COM> &g t; Hi guys, I'm building a model M4 speedster (1992) I just went to install the coolant recovery bottle only to find that I don't have one, I have all the bracket material but no bottle. Can anyone give me details on the bottle as to size etc. I have no idea where to purchase it, so if you know who would sell them that would be a great help. Thanks once again for your help, Don Don Stevenson Caledon Ontario Canada M4/1200-912 Speedster


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    Time: 10:55:57 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Corvair in a Fox
    V
    From: "Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris@intuit.com> Hi Norm, I'd love to see pics of your cowling. By the way my Kitfox with the 100 hp Continental weighs 920lbs. How much does horse power does your Corvair engine have and how much do they cost? -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Norm Beauchamp Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 6:31 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Corvair in a Fox V --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Norm Beauchamp <nebchmp@wcc.net> I used the 0200 cowl that Skystar sold. I shortened the bottom half by about four inches where it attaches to the fuselage. Then cut the top cowl into about four inches in front of the firewall and removed four inches there. I glued the piece I removed to the bottom of the piece in front of the windscreen, just in front of the firewall. This gave me a place to fasten the rest of the cowl on with cam locks. Now I can remove the engine cover with out removing the part over the instruments. In other words a boot cowl. I can take a picture if anyone is interested. Norm wingnut wrote: >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com> > >Very cool. Will you be making your own cowl? > > > > >


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    Time: 11:20:22 AM PST US
    From: W Duke <n981ms@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Meeting Kitfoxers at Sun 'n Fun
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: W Duke <n981ms@yahoo.com> There is usually a Kitfox tie down area. I may be there on Sat or Sun. Maxwell Rex <gypsybee@copper.net> wrote: --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Rex Kurt and I are planning to meet each other while at Sun n Fun Thursday. I see on the SnF website that WiFi is available there. If anyone who may already be there should read this message please advise of an easily defined location or method you are aware of to use as a meeting point. At this time we are going to use cell phones to communicate and pick a location once we are there. It would be nice if all Kitfoxers had an idea where we might likely encounter each other. Like, will there be a Kitfox tiedown area? Is there a vendor there that is a KF enthusiast we could coordinate with? Any other ideas? Rex Hefferan (719) 651-9192 Kurt Schrader (502) 648-5484 Maxwell Duke S6/IO240/Phase II Flight Testing ---------------------------------


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    Time: 02:38:07 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: power to weight
    From: "markL" <mloos@pilbal.com>
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "markL" <mloos@pilbal.com> The company at Osh promoting lightweight turbine engines was Innodyn WWW.inndodyn.com And I dont believe they burn 11gph at idle, their website says the following: How much fuel do the Turbines burn? On development turbines our fuel flow, tested by measuring the amount of fuel used in the tanks, was comparable to, but slightly higher than internal combustion engines. Measured in all phases of operation with the RV4 and SuperCub, we found in general, our fuel usage to be approximately 7 gallons per 100 hp per hour. This is internal historical data and has not been independently tested or verified. We continue our efforts to gather additional fuel usage data from independent testing and evaluation. Until we have completed this detailed testing on our first full production engines, we cannot provide precise fuel flow rates. We will be conducting detailed integrated testing on fuel flow and associated hp ratings in the near future. Please check back frequently as we will make this further defined information available as soon as testing is completed. Definitely seems like the future of experimental will be turbine. Especially since they can burn Diesel, Bio-Diesel, Jet A or kerosene. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=26480#26480


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    Time: 02:41:21 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: power to weight
    From: "markL" <mloos@pilbal.com>
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "markL" <mloos@pilbal.com> ooops typed in the web address wrong its: http://www.innodyn.com/ Mark Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=26482#26482


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    Time: 03:20:00 PM PST US
    Subject: Landing Lights on a Model 4?
    From: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com> I'm nearing completion of my flight training and I still need to do a night cross country. Only problem is that my model 4 does not have landing lights. I've read that some people are installing landing lights in the cowling. Anyone have details or picture? Is there an easier way to do this? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=26484#26484


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    Time: 03:24:41 PM PST US
    From: tony fiacco <tony_fiacco@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: More items found
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: tony fiacco <tony_fiacco@yahoo.com> i am interested in the landing lights, please contact me with type price etc. thanks wingsdown <wingsdown@comcast.net> wrote: --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingsdown" Well I just sold the complete strobe and light setup and ran across a few other items someone might be interested in. I thought I would be moving sooner and had things boxed up, slow market right now. Contact me off list if you like. Full wingtip dual both sides landing light kit with all hardware never installed. Transponder antenna, the fin type. (2) E.I. digital egts less probes. Electric clock MD-90. Yaesu hand held with accessories, has VOR,altitude and DA. (2) custom air/oil separators very nice can be seen on sportflight on my NSI engine. Com/Nav antenna model VHF5-1 Digital volt amp gage by EI VA-1A. (1) left wheel skirt And yes I think there is more somewhere. Rick ---------------------------------


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    Time: 04:07:25 PM PST US
    From: "Clint Bazzill" <clint_bazzill@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Landing Lights on a Model 4?
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clint Bazzill" <clint_bazzill@hotmail.com> Check out my landing light and you can call me about light from J.C. Whitney Clint (650) 712-1802 http://www.msnusers.com/KitfoxLandingLight/shoebox.msnw From: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com> Subject: Kitfox-List: Landing Lights on a Model 4? --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com> I'm nearing completion of my flight training and I still need to do a night cross country. Only problem is that my model 4 does not have landing lights. I've read that some people are installing landing lights in the cowling. Anyone have details or picture? Is there an easier way to do this? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=26484#26484


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    Time: 04:38:55 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Landing Lights on a Model 4?
    From: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com>
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com> On my fox, the rotax only has 18amps for the charging system. I do have the wing tip set up for a landing light, but took it out because it took too much amps. The landing light could put you over. I never worry about the light. In fact when I went through training, the light never worked on the 172 I flew, so I got along without it. Now days I land all the time without it and do just fine. You sure learn to atripulate the runway between the runway lights. -------- kitfoxmike kitfox4 1200 912ul speedster http://www.frappr.com/kitfoxmike Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=26494#26494


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    Time: 04:39:49 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Landing Lights on a Model 4?
    From: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com>
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com> Oh, and when I want to see where I'm going on the ground I turn my strobes back on, I got the strongest whellon system and they shine up everything on the ground. -------- kitfoxmike kitfox4 1200 912ul speedster http://www.frappr.com/kitfoxmike Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=26495#26495


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    Time: 04:46:05 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Landing Lights on a Model 4?
    From: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com> Hey that's fantastic. Very smart looking setup. Thanks. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=26497#26497


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    Time: 04:46:11 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Landing Lights on a Model 4?
    From: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com>
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com> I suppose you can always go and get one of those spot lights and plug it into the accessory, open the door and shine it down at the runway, or better yet take a passenger and let them do it. Ha ha. :D -------- kitfoxmike kitfox4 1200 912ul speedster http://www.frappr.com/kitfoxmike Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=26496#26496


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    Time: 04:50:09 PM PST US
    From: Alan & Linda Daniels <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
    Subject: Off topic PA28-140 for sale
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels <aldaniels@fmtc.com> If anyone is in need of a 1967 PA28-140 with gap seals, performance wing tips, VG's, fresh annual, good nav/com, AT150, external power, auto fuel STC, Whelen strobes, and a new engine let me know off list. It is straight with no damage history, no liens but is butt ugly in need of paint and interior, and priced well below book because of it. Alan > >


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    Time: 04:50:09 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Landing Lights on a Model 4?
    From: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com> Hmm. Didn't occur to me that the stock Rotax setup wouldn't have enough juice. Does it hurt the alternator if you go a little over budget on the amps or will it just draw from the battery? > On my fox, the rotax only has 18amps for the charging system. I do have the wing tip set up for a landing light, but took it out because it took too much amps. The landing light could put you over. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=26498#26498


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    Time: 06:54:54 PM PST US
    From: "Rex Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
    Subject: Re: Top Gun Dave/Fueling the Kitfox
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com> Lynn, I think re measuring the conductivity of the funnel you will find no reading on an ordinary multimeter reading ohms. You will need an instrument called a megger. This actually measures the ohms resistance using about 500 volts whereas a multimeter is between 1.5 and 9 volts. The 500 volts needed to get your reading is OK as you are aren't going to get a spark at low voltage occuring in your filling situation. Also be prepared that the reading will probaly be fairly high ohms. Again this is ok as it only needs to bleed, fairly quickly, off the voltage. [ static build up ] I just thought I'd point this out before everyone meaured their conducting funnels with a multimeter and got no reading and worried about it. Rex Shaw


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    Time: 07:11:56 PM PST US
    From: Norm Beauchamp <nebchmp@wcc.net>
    Subject: Re: Corvair in a Fox V
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Norm Beauchamp <nebchmp@wcc.net> Harris, Robert wrote: >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris@intuit.com> > >Hi Norm, >----------------------------------------------------- >How much does horse power does your >Corvair engine have and how much do they cost? > > >------------------------------------------------------- > The Corviar 164cid is rated at 100hp. I won't swear that is. If you have never checked the site and are really interested go here. http://www.flycorvair.com/ <http://www.flycorvair.com/> This is where I started. There is a lot of information there. I can be of help with what I did to make mine fit the Fox. I am still doing some of those late minute things, but looking to be in the air again late this week or early next. Keep in touch. Norm.


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    Time: 07:11:56 PM PST US
    From: "jeff puls" <pulsair@mindspring.com>
    Subject: Re: Landing Lights on a Model 4?
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jeff puls" <pulsair@mindspring.com> Clint, How has the light held up? Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clint Bazzill" <clint_bazzill@hotmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 4:03 PM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Landing Lights on a Model 4? > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clint Bazzill" > <clint_bazzill@hotmail.com> > > Check out my landing light and you can call me about light from J.C. > Whitney > > Clint (650) 712-1802 > > http://www.msnusers.com/KitfoxLandingLight/shoebox.msnw > > > From: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Kitfox-List: Landing Lights on a Model 4? > Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 15:18:33 -0700 > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com> > > I'm nearing completion of my flight training and I still need to do a > night > cross country. Only problem is that my model 4 does not have landing > lights. > I've read that some people are installing landing lights in the cowling. > Anyone have details or picture? Is there an easier way to do this? > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=26484#26484 > > >


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    Time: 08:40:54 PM PST US
    From: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: power to weight
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com> The company I talked to used the Solar T-62 engine. Garrett also makes a small one. If you Google the Solar T-62, you will find a lot of talk about it. The company I spoke to said theirs burned from 11-17 GPH for up to 100 hp. Not what I wanted witht he short range it had. I think they gave up too much to save weight. The engine is capable of up to 150 hp and weighs less than 60 lbs without a GB, but the GB's applied can add up to 100 lbs more though, depending on who is building what. I think the BD-5 used a T-62 as a pure jet. Here are a couple of sites that talk about applications for small turbos as examples: http://www.zenithair.com/misc/turbine-power.html http://www.auctionaz.com/092305aircraft1947.htm Rotaway is also testing a 150 hp turbine, last I heard. Kurt S. S-5 --- markL <mloos@pilbal.com> wrote: > The company at Osh promoting lightweight turbine > engines was Innodyn WWW.inndodyn.com And I dont > believe they burn 11gph at idle, their website says > the following:........


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    Time: 10:20:36 PM PST US
    From: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Landing Lights on a Model 4?
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com> A friend of mine ran the battery on a C-182 dead in flight by having all the lights, bells and whistles on in the touch and go pattern. He had to land by light signals and run up the battery again before the radio would work for taxi back. You will probably be running off the battery for descent and landing with the light on, but turning it off after takeoff will allow a recharge, if you keep the average amps + , or you'll need a backup battery or hand held radio. Running the battery down is not a good thing to do with electronic ignition. Kurt S. --- wingnut <wingnut@spamarrest.com> wrote: > Hmm. Didn't occur to me that the stock Rotax setup > wouldn't have enough juice. Does it hurt the > alternator if you go a little over budget on the > amps or will it just draw from the battery?


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    Time: 10:20:36 PM PST US
    From: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: off topic - Date time note
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com> FYI, On Wednesday morning, at two minutes and three seconds after 1:00 AM, the time and date was: 01:02:03 04/05/06 or 1,2,3,4,5,6 :-) Kurt S. Do not archive


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    Time: 10:26:07 PM PST US
    From: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: pressure filling tanks.....
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com> Thanks Dave, If you can post a pic, that will still help with future plans. Kurt S. > S 5 wont, its tail is a bit too tall......... a > friend with a S5 wanted it > so he came over and we looked at it carefully... > > Dave


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    Time: 10:43:16 PM PST US
    From: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: What do I do if no part of my fule system is grounded?
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com> It is actually recommended to have some resistance from the tank to ground so that the electricity can "drain" rather than arc to ground. Some people add a resister in their tank to ground wire for this reason. The previous reply about the funnel having resistance correctly accomplishes that. I would think that grounding the funnel and touching the plane somewhere other than the tank neck first, or to the outside of the neck is better than just popping it in and pouring fuel. The point is to get the plane's tank, the funnel, the fuel and the filler tank to the same electric potential somewhere other than where fumes are present. Kurt S. --- wingnut <wingnut@spamarrest.com> wrote: > Here's a slightly different twist to all the recent > activity on safe refueling. I didn't build my > airplane. I don't know if the previous owner did > anything at all to facilitate a proper ground of the > fuel tank or the filler neck to any other part of > the plane. Someone wrote that this is not addressed > in the builders manual so I'm going to assume that > it's a stock setup (I'll verify this with an ohm > meter tonight). If this is the case, do I just > ground the metal funnel before I start fueling?




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