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1. 03:48 AM - Re: 912 UL Hard to Start (Ceashman@aol.com)
2. 05:39 AM - Re: 912 UL Hard to Start (Mike Ford)
3. 05:59 AM - Re: 912 UL Hard to Start (neflyer48)
4. 06:18 AM - Re: Threaded rod (flier)
5. 07:16 AM - Re: Kitfox emerges with NEW owners (Rueb, Duane)
6. 07:47 AM - off-topic: Another Kitfox discovered in Michigan (Lynn Matteson)
7. 07:47 AM - Re: 912 UL Hard to Start (kitfoxmike)
8. 08:49 AM - Re: off-topic: Another Kitfox discovered in Michigan (jdmcbean)
9. 09:19 AM - Re: off-topic: Another Kitfox discovered in Michigan (Alan & Linda Daniels)
10. 12:03 PM - The NEW Skystar! (Andrew Matthaey)
11. 12:07 PM - noise (Jeff Scovill)
12. 12:18 PM - Re: noise (ron schick)
13. 01:41 PM - Re: The NEW Skystar! (Alan & Linda Daniels)
14. 01:41 PM - Re: noise (skyflyte@comcast.net)
15. 02:52 PM - Re: Kitfox emerges with NEW owners (Torgeir Mortensen)
16. 05:28 PM - Re: kitfox items for sale (RichWill)
17. 05:29 PM - Seeking Interior Cover.. KF3 (RichWill)
18. 05:34 PM - Re: Meeting Kitfoxers at Sun 'n Fun (RichWill)
19. 08:28 PM - Re: Threaded rod (QSS)
20. 08:33 PM - Re: Re: Meeting Kitfoxers at Sun 'n Fun (kurt schrader)
21. 09:04 PM - Re: Meeting Kitfoxers at Sun 'n Fun (kurt schrader)
22. 09:32 PM - Re: Off-List: Kitfox emerges with NEW owners (kurt schrader)
23. 09:48 PM - Re: off topic - Date time note (kurt schrader)
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| Subject: | Re: 912 UL Hard to Start |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Ceashman@aol.com
Hi Jimmie.
Do you have a primer in your fuel line system? This really helps when
starting, cold.
Do you hand prop about six to eight swings. Actually these are not swings
they are rotating the crank a couple of times. (normal rotation direction and all
electric off)? Do this with the fuel valve/s open, to draw fuel to the pump..
Do you have a glass/transparent fuel filter right before the mechanical pump?
This way, when hand propping you can see if the fuel is on it's way to the
mechanical pump.
With the 912, close the throttle and pull the choke. I understand if you use
the throttle,the choke will not function.
Eric Ashman
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| Subject: | Re: 912 UL Hard to Start |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mike Ford <fordm2003@yahoo.com>
Hi Jimmie,
This sounds like what my 912 did before I started pre-heating it on cold days.
(<40 F)
My problem was that the battery installed on tha plane was not able to turn the
prop fast enough for the mags to fire the plugs. Jumping the plane with a car
battery did the trick.
Since then I've been pre-heating the engine with a 10 heater on a stand from fleet
farm. That does the trick nicely!
With the engine pre-heated the plane battery is able to start the engine with ease.
If it was a cold day I highly recommend pre-heating. It's easier on the engine,
the frame, everything.
I don't recommend pre-heating the engine at all times though, only a few hours
before planned use. I'm told that if you pre-heat all the time, then whole engine
might not be the same temp and you can get moisture forming.
Hope that helps,
Mike
Jimmie Blackwell <jimmieblackwell@sbcglobal.net> wrote: --> Kitfox-List message
posted by: Jimmie Blackwell
My plane sat for a little over three weeks without being started. I charged the
battery overnight before even attempting to start it. The engine would not
start and eventually had to charge the battery a second time. I vertified that
fuel was flowing to the engine fuel pump.
On the second day after a second recharge of the battery on a trickle charger
the engine finally cranked after about 30 turns of the prop and ran fine. Shut
the engine down and restarted several times with no problem.
I have been accustomed to my engine starting after turning only two or three
blades, but this time it just turned and turned without even firing.
I checked the plugs and they look clean for the most part. The lower plugs
were a little wet, but not excessive. Plugs have only 25 hous on them.
Would appreciate any ideas as to why this happened.
Jimmie
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| Subject: | Re: 912 UL Hard to Start |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "neflyer48" <neflyer48@cableone.net>
It takes a fast starter RPM to start my 912. If I have a weak battery, I
start it with my 10 amp charger connected. It always starts quickly this
way, but after warming the engine for a minute, I need to shut down and
disconnect the charger. My understanding is that when the starter doesn't
turn fast enough, there is a slight kickback between compression strokes
that is not visible and that will keep it from starting. Usually a new
battery about every two years keeps it starting OK.
Starting by pulling the prop works good too. It's best to have it tied down
or someone to hold the brakes. It will not usually start by pulling through
just one compression stroke. Pull through two quick compression strokes
(about 1/3 prop circle). Wear gloves, pulling the back edge of the prop is
hard on the hands.
Jerry kohles
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jimmie Blackwell" <jimmieblackwell@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 8:06 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: 912 UL Hard to Start
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jimmie Blackwell
> <jimmieblackwell@sbcglobal.net>
>
> My plane sat for a little over three weeks without being started. I
> charged the battery overnight before even attempting to start it. The
> engine would not start and eventually had to charge the battery a second
> time. I vertified that fuel was flowing to the engine fuel pump.
>
> On the second day after a second recharge of the battery on a trickle
> charger the engine finally cranked after about 30 turns of the prop and
> ran fine. Shut the engine down and restarted several times with no
> problem.
>
> I have been accustomed to my engine starting after turning only two or
> three blades, but this time it just turned and turned without even firing.
>
> I checked the plugs and they look clean for the most part. The lower
> plugs were a little wet, but not excessive. Plugs have only 25 hous on
> them.
>
> Would appreciate any ideas as to why this happened.
>
> Jimmie
>
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| Subject: | Re: Threaded rod |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" <FLIER@sbcglobal.net>
Graeme,
That's an AN part that's rosette welded into the end
of the lift strut. That a really critical part and I
don't know the AN part number. Someone (named
John...) :
) with access to the Skystar liftstrut
fabrication drawings might be able to help.
Regards,
Ted
--- Original Message ---
From: "QSS" <msm@byterocky.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Threaded rod
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "QSS"
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>Hi Guys, I have found the wing strut rod end with
out problems but now
>find that the threaded bolt that comes out of the
wing strut end and
>screws into to the rod end appears to be welded in
place. Can anyone
>confirm that this is a fixture and if it is how it
can be replaced? This
>bolt has broken off about 3/16th from the end of the
strut and all
>attempts to remove it the strut so far have failed.
>Thanks guys
>
>Regards
>Graeme
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| Subject: | Kitfox emerges with NEW owners |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rueb, Duane" <ruebd@skymail.csus.edu>
John and Debra:
I am so happy for you and for Kitfox. I know, I already gave
you my congrats when I heard your bid was accepted and it wasn't yet a
final thing, but now that it is official, congrats, and all the best.
This is the best outcome that we all could hope for. I know you will
let us know when you want us to say whatever to the community of
interested owner/builders, so we will be ready when you are to help with
whatever you want said.
All the best to you both in this, Duane Rueb
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jdmcbean
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 8:56 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox emerges with NEW owners
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Well guys.. its official ! as of 12:00 pm MST today. Interesting week
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com <http://www.sportplanellc.com/>
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
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| Subject: | off-topic: Another Kitfox discovered in Michigan |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
A friend and I were headed to my hangar yesterday, when I spotted 3
planes sitting at Napoleon Airport (3NP). The Napoleon Cafe nearby is a
lure for the "$100 hamburger" or breakfast, and I wanted to see what
that red airplane was that was sitting furthest from the road...the
lead sleds in front of it didn't interest me. When I got closer, I saw
the distinctive flaperons, then took closer notice of the tail....sure
enough, it was a Kitfox Model 7 (I had guessed it was a 5, because I'm
not that aware yet of the differences) I was sure that it was
Rotax-powered because of the way the pilot was propping it over to
check the oil, and the strange sound as the prop was turned....I'm not
ripping on Rotax's mind you...not THIS time anyway. What I found really
interesting was the fact that the pilot, Don Zimmerman, told me that
this plane was one of the group of 12 kits bought by an Idaho group,
and that he had bought it out there and it now lives in Plymouth, MI. I
told him that I had seen an article in a magazine (maybe Kitplanes?)
relating to that group.
He was elated when I told him of the news about John and Debra taking
over the reins of Skystar, and hollered to his flying buddies to tell
them about the news.
Just another day in the continuing Kitfox history....
Lynn
Kitfox IV...Jabiru 2200
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: 912 UL Hard to Start |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com>
When starting my engine I always had trouble with the carb on the right side falling
off. Since I've gone to this way of starting, I haven't had no trouble
with the carb and it starts with no troubles. I agree with the engine heat, but
I can start mine down to 25 degrees f. Without any trouble. what I do is
first, turn the prop over at least once to make sure that it isn't hydrolic locked.
Second, make sure you have a choke hooked up for both carbs. Now this
is very important, keep the mags OFF, and crank the engine to a count of 11 if
it's colder than 35, about a count of 8 if it's warmer than35, and normal starting
in the summer a count of 4(the counts are about 1 second intervals). Also
make sure the throttle is as closed off as possible, grab the control and pull
on it to make sure, lock it in place. Next, wait a few seconds and turn the
mags on, push the throttle in slightly to have an Rpm of 2000 to 2200(questimate)
Lock the throttle down good, and start the engine, be ready on the choke(that's
why you lock down the throttle), if the engine is a little rough, quickly
pull out the choke, as soon as it smooths out release the choke.
Also very important to have a good battery, mine is an oddesy.
Also make sure the carbs are good and clean and adjusted proper.
--------
kitfoxmike
kitfox4 1200 912ul speedster
http://www.frappr.com/kitfoxmike
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=27327#27327
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| Subject: | off-topic: Another Kitfox discovered in Michigan |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Funny.. How small the world can be.. While this was posted.. I was just
talking with another Kitfoxer Cliff Olsen who is friends with Don Zimmerman.
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 8:45 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: off-topic: Another Kitfox discovered in Michigan
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
A friend and I were headed to my hangar yesterday, when I spotted 3
planes sitting at Napoleon Airport (3NP). The Napoleon Cafe nearby is a
lure for the "$100 hamburger" or breakfast, and I wanted to see what
that red airplane was that was sitting furthest from the road...the
lead sleds in front of it didn't interest me. When I got closer, I saw
the distinctive flaperons, then took closer notice of the tail....sure
enough, it was a Kitfox Model 7 (I had guessed it was a 5, because I'm
not that aware yet of the differences) I was sure that it was
Rotax-powered because of the way the pilot was propping it over to
check the oil, and the strange sound as the prop was turned....I'm not
ripping on Rotax's mind you...not THIS time anyway. What I found really
interesting was the fact that the pilot, Don Zimmerman, told me that
this plane was one of the group of 12 kits bought by an Idaho group,
and that he had bought it out there and it now lives in Plymouth, MI. I
told him that I had seen an article in a magazine (maybe Kitplanes?)
relating to that group.
He was elated when I told him of the news about John and Debra taking
over the reins of Skystar, and hollered to his flying buddies to tell
them about the news.
Just another day in the continuing Kitfox history....
Lynn
Kitfox IV...Jabiru 2200
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: off-topic: Another Kitfox discovered in Michigan |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
I was one of the pilots that took the plane to Don Zimmerman, and the
one that took him to some back country airstrips while he was out here
before we delivered his plane. It was the first plane our group built.
There were enough experienced builders in the group that it did not have
the learning curve areas on it. It is a really nice plane. Don is a
great guy. We see a lot of Kitfox's out here, but back there it is a
real attraction.
jdmcbean wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
>
>Funny.. How small the world can be.. While this was posted.. I was just
>talking with another Kitfoxer Cliff Olsen who is friends with Don Zimmerman.
>
>Fly Safe !!
>John & Debra McBean
>www.sportplanellc.com
>"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson
>Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 8:45 AM
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kitfox-List: off-topic: Another Kitfox discovered in Michigan
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>
>A friend and I were headed to my hangar yesterday, when I spotted 3
>planes sitting at Napoleon Airport (3NP). The Napoleon Cafe nearby is a
>lure for the "$100 hamburger" or breakfast, and I wanted to see what
>that red airplane was that was sitting furthest from the road...the
>lead sleds in front of it didn't interest me. When I got closer, I saw
>the distinctive flaperons, then took closer notice of the tail....sure
>enough, it was a Kitfox Model 7 (I had guessed it was a 5, because I'm
>not that aware yet of the differences) I was sure that it was
>Rotax-powered because of the way the pilot was propping it over to
>check the oil, and the strange sound as the prop was turned....I'm not
>ripping on Rotax's mind you...not THIS time anyway. What I found really
>interesting was the fact that the pilot, Don Zimmerman, told me that
>this plane was one of the group of 12 kits bought by an Idaho group,
>and that he had bought it out there and it now lives in Plymouth, MI. I
>told him that I had seen an article in a magazine (maybe Kitplanes?)
>relating to that group.
>
>He was elated when I told him of the news about John and Debra taking
>over the reins of Skystar, and hollered to his flying buddies to tell
>them about the news.
>
>Just another day in the continuing Kitfox history....
>
>Lynn
>Kitfox IV...Jabiru 2200
>
>do not archive
>
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| Subject: | The NEW Skystar! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey" <spaghettiohead@hotmail.com>
So I've heard that the Skystar assets now have new owners :-)
Congratulations John and Debra...This is certainly the best news I've heard
in a long time, and Thank You for keeping the keeping the Kitfox family
alive!
Andrew
KF3
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeff Scovill" <cliffsofinsanity1@comcast.net>
Hello All
Just bought a Kitfox model 1 #23.
Had to put new engine in it, 503/ with Hegar cog belt drive,GCS 68" prop,set at
8 degrees. When we did the test flight it makes a noise like a helicopter wah,
wah, wah, wah.
Was wondering if anyone had experienced this , and if so could tell me what it
might be.
Thanks
Jeff Scovill
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
Prop blast hitting the fabric? I hear that on ocassion when the wind is
right. Ron NB Ore
>From: "Jeff Scovill" <cliffsofinsanity1@comcast.net>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Kitfox-List: noise
>Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 12:59:58 -0600
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeff Scovill"
><cliffsofinsanity1@comcast.net>
>
>Hello All
>Just bought a Kitfox model 1 #23.
>Had to put new engine in it, 503/ with Hegar cog belt drive,GCS 68"
>prop,set at 8 degrees. When we did the test flight it makes a noise like a
>helicopter wah, wah, wah, wah.
>Was wondering if anyone had experienced this , and if so could tell me what
>it might be.
>
>Thanks
>Jeff Scovill
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: The NEW Skystar! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
John. What company name are you going to use so we can start using it.
Skystar is history. Kitfox is forever.
Andrew Matthaey wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey" <spaghettiohead@hotmail.com>
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>So I've heard that the Skystar assets now have new owners :-)
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: skyflyte@comcast.net
That's the typical noise a belt drive makes, especially if the reduction ratio
is anywhere near 2:1; what's yours? Some of the Hegar redrives had serious problems,
like the belt tension adjustment letting go leaving the pilot without
a fan to keep him cool.
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Jeff Scovill" <cliffsofinsanity1@comcast.net>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeff Scovill"
>
>
> Hello All
> Just bought a Kitfox model 1 #23.
> Had to put new engine in it, 503/ with Hegar cog belt drive,GCS 68" prop,set
at
> 8 degrees. When we did the test flight it makes a noise like a helicopter wah,
> wah, wah, wah.
> Was wondering if anyone had experienced this , and if so could tell me what it
> might be.
>
> Thanks
> Jeff Scovill
>
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That's the typical noise a belt drive makes, especially if the reduction ratio
is anywhere near 2:1; what's yours? Some of the Hegar redrives had serious problems,
like the belt tension adjustment letting go leaving the pilot without a
fan to keep him cool.
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Jeff Scovill" cliffsofinsanity1@comcast.net
-- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeff Scovill"
<CLIFFSOFINSANITY1@COMCAST.NET>
Hello All
Just bought a Kitfox model 1 #23.
Had to put new engine in it, 503/ with Hegar cog belt drive,GCS 68" prop,set at
8 degrees. When we did the test flight it makes a noise like a helicopter wah,
wah, wah, wah.
Was wondering if anyone had experienced this , and if so could tell me what it
might be.
Thanks
Jeff Scovill
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox emerges with NEW owners |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
This is a something I've been waiting for a long time....
The Kitfox "family" got a new home, Sport Plane LLC.
Congratulation to both of you, Debra and John.
A real good news.
Cheers
Torgeir.
On Fri, 7 Apr 2006 21:56:03 -0600, jdmcbean <jdmcbean@cableone.net> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
>
> Well guys.. its official ! as of 12:00 pm MST today. Interesting week
>
>
> Fly Safe !!
> John & Debra McBean
> www.sportplanellc.com <http://www.sportplanellc.com/>
> "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
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| Subject: | Re: kitfox items for sale |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RichWill" <rwill1@adelphia.net>
John,
Are you willing to split up the wheels...sell just the tires not hubs? What are
the Tundra Tires..make , size , condition, ect..
thanks
Richard
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| Subject: | Seeking Interior Cover.. KF3 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RichWill" <rwill1@adelphia.net>
List,
I am seeking the cordura cover right behind the pilot... has the certificate holder
and two access panels.. covers the area right behind the seat - in RED...
Does anyone have this for sale or know where I can obtain...?
Richard
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| Subject: | Re: Meeting Kitfoxers at Sun 'n Fun |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RichWill" <rwill1@adelphia.net>
Hey guys,
Just got back fronm SnF sunday... Very disappointing on the KF front... I too did
see the older KF sitting on the trailer and saw one fly off... But, other than
that, I saw no older kitfoxes as I searched the whole flyin..
What gives??
Next year, I will bring mine..we need a much better turn out!!
Rich
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "QSS" <msm@byterocky.net>
Thanks Ted and Shorty. If I decide to replace the bolt rather than use a
threaded tube, is there a particular strength that I need to replace it
with and do I simply cut the end off the lift strut and weld the new
bolt on?. Does anyone have a preference for the way of doing this task?
I can see how critical it is and how precise the fitting will need to
be. The load on the bolt is obviously significant so has anyone done the
calculations for the model 1V to see how much load is on each bolt? As
always, thanks guys
Regards
Graeme
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" <FLIER@sbcglobal.net>
Graeme,
That's an AN part that's rosette welded into the end
of the lift strut. That a really critical part and I
don't know the AN part number. Someone (named
John...) :
) with access to the Skystar liftstrut
fabrication drawings might be able to help.
Regards,
Ted
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>Hi Guys, I have found the wing strut rod end with
out problems but now
>find that the threaded bolt that comes out of the
wing strut end and
>screws into to the rod end appears to be welded in
place. Can anyone
>confirm that this is a fixture and if it is how it
can be replaced? This
>bolt has broken off about 3/16th from the end of the
strut and all
>attempts to remove it the strut so far have failed.
>Thanks guys
>
>Regards
>Graeme
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| Subject: | Re: Meeting Kitfoxers at Sun 'n Fun |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Semper Fi Rich,
Hope to have mine there next year too.
In keeping with our subject on math, that would be a
200% increase over this year!
Papers can announce, "Huge Increase in KitFox
Attendance this year!"
Kurt S. USMC (ret)
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--- RichWill <rwill1@adelphia.net> wrote:
> Hey guys,
> Just got back from SnF sunday... Very disappointing
> on the KF front... I too did see the older KF
> sitting on the trailer and saw one fly off... But,
> other than that, I saw no older kitfoxes as I
> searched the whole flyin..
> What gives??
>
> Next year, I will bring mine..we need a much better
> turn out!!
> Rich
>
> --------
> Semper Fi
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| Subject: | Re: Meeting Kitfoxers at Sun 'n Fun |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
I'm back now too. Must have packed 2 years worth of
reading materials back with me. :-) Picked up an oil
thermostat from Lockwood and Rex effectively talked me
into a battery minder too. Guess this means I'll need
AC power to my hangar now.
Rex and I got a good look at the EuroFox and saw some
interesting details. The wing tank caps are almost
flush with the cap having only a raised ridge where
the vent pipe comes out of. The ridge is fore and
aft, so streamlined, but gives a good grip for opening
like a large wingnut. It would require a new tank
filler neck with the cap, so it is not easily
retrofitted.
The flapperons are solid with no entry or drains, so
no problem with gas desolving the foam or rain water
getting in. The flapperon spar looked to be attached
with adel clamps on bearings with the area around the
holes completely sealed. Not sure if the adel clamp
is a good idea, but the rest looked good.
Flapperon weights were in a round pipe sticking
forward and down instead of our weights at the end.
The turtledeck formed a straight line to the tail
instead of a down and then aft line like on my S-5.
Looked less draggy.
The rest looked very Fox like with an S-4 type stab
and trim tabs.
RLSA said they would not provide a source for parts to
our Fox's, but ideas are free.
The yellow Fox that came and went was a S-4 with 912,
I believe. I didn't copy more info than that.
There were 4 planes with Corvair engines parked near
the Yellow Fox. The KR-2 had the cowl off and I got a
couple of pics, if anyone was interested in a corvair
installation. I think the builder told me it was
about 210 lbs installed. Seems heavy for a KR-2.
It was very dry there this year. A parked car set
fire to the grass and burned up 23 cars total. For
once the smoke and major damage was ground
transportation and not planes.
Kurt S.
--- Rex <gypsybee@copper.net> wrote:
> Yes I too have returned from Lakeland.
Disappointing for me that there was only 1 Kitfox that
arrived today around noon. I was hoping to meet and
see other Kitfoxers. I never made it over where he
parked before the airshow, but Kurt did after the
airshow. Kurt may offer a report when he gets back on
the list.
There was a Model 1 (I think) on static display and
that was all for actual Kitfoxes. I did't see any
Avids either, but there was a company named RLSA which
is importing the EuroFox. They had one on diplay.
www.fly-rlsa.com or www.eurofox-usa.com Nice plane.
I met Don from South Carolina who called my cell
number. It looks like that will be the best way to
find others Kitfoxers there. So if anyone else is
going to be there Saturday they should call
> Kurt Schrader (502)
> 648-5484.
> Rex Hefferan
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| Subject: | Re: Off-List: Kitfox emerges with NEW owners |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Let's see. Could it get any better than this?
tap tap tap.
Hummmmmmm
NOPE! This as good as it gets! :-)
\\\\\\0////// Fox tail wagging :-)
So as KitFox's rise from the ashes, when will the
Phoenix model come out? :-)
Post a list of how we can help as soon as you are
breathing again John. You already know where some of
the best tallent is, if you can get them all formed up
again. The best sales guy is the one who sold me mine
and, gosh, he's the owner, so you'll need to find a
couple more to relieve you.
Still in Denny's hangar?
We know you will need time, but while we fly low and
slow, right now we all have A.D.D! So could your
hurry it up.... :-) Ha ha Well, maybe next year's
S&F.
At least you are making old people dance. Best wishes
to the 2 of you,
Kurt S. :-))))))
--- jdmcbean <jdmcbean@cableone.net> wrote:
> Thanks Lowell,
> Very interesting week.. I'm not fond of court
rooms or lawyers....
>
> You know how Debra & I feel... The builder base is
> the most important asset
> Kitfox has... and we are going to need all the help
> we can get... Fun times ahead !!!
>
> Fly Safe !!
> John & Debra McBean
> www.sportplanellc.com
> "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Since you are all filling time and space.... consider
this:
Einstein figured that as you approach the speed of
light, time slows down. At the speed of light, time
stops. Therefore a light beam travels its complete
distance, even if all the way across the universe, in
no time, ie, from the light's point of view, it is
everywhere at once.
Kinda' God-like. Or, "Let there be light" wasn't too
far off of being very important to our understanding
of the universe. We should consider more about what
the universe looks like at the speed of light to get a
better understanding in my opinion.
Einstein also figured that the amount of energy needed
to approach the speed of light goes up dramatically
and reaches infinity at light speed. To go faster
would require infinite energy, plus a little more.
The again, my double D flashlight doesn't have that
much of a kick when I turn it on, so there may be some
loopholes in the theory?
Kurt S.
Totally do not archive.
--- Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote:
> When they get you all calmed down, Michel, try this
> one on for
> size.....I've always had the notion that our
> universe, instead of going
> on forever out into space, came to a stop, and that
> our universe was
> just a big transparent sphere that hung in another
> larger space, along
> with other universes, and that all these universes
> were watched over by
> some guy sitting on a giant stool and he would watch
> each universe and
> see how they did things, and wrote them down on a
> large clip-board and
> perhaps made reports to some other similar "universe
> watchers".
> I just couldn't imagine that the universe went on
> forever, so this is
> what I came up with....then I got busy living life
> and not worrying
> about where the boundaries were. Maybe that's why I
> built the
> Kitfox....so maybe I could fly out to where our
> transparent sphere ends
> and watch the "watchers".....Nurse, I'll have what
> Michel's having,
> thank you....: )
>
> Lynn
> definitely,
> do not archive
> On Friday, April 7, 2006, at 11:44 AM, Michel
> Verheughe wrote:
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel
> Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> >
> > Hello Eric and Kurt,
> >
> > Indeed math is a marvellous thing but I also like
> to read about the
> > history of mathematics. Why is the circle divided
> in 360 degrees? And
> > the year in 12 months? And the week in 7 days?
> Why, from our calendar,
> > was Jesus one year old when he was born? Does the
> number zero really
> > exist? Why can't a computer divide a number by
> zero and how comes the
> > big bang results in an ever expending universe?
> What are the true
> > meanings of the words "never" and "always?" Do
> they exist or is the
> > universe one giant loop? ... Oops, sorry guys, I
> forgot to take my
> > medicine! ... sorry Nurse, I'm coming now! ...
> What? The straight
> > jacket? Noooo, please!!! :-)
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Michel
> >
> > Do not archive
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