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1. 12:21 AM - Re: Kitfox lll back presssure o stick (Michel Verheughe)
2. 06:00 AM - Re: Notice of Michigan Fly-in Breakfast (Lynn Matteson)
3. 07:39 AM - Biing Adjustment (Larry Martin)
4. 07:51 AM - (Napier, Mark)
5. 08:35 AM - Re: Kitfox lll back presssure o stick (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
6. 10:16 AM - Re: Kitfox lll back presssure o stick (flier)
7. 11:47 AM - Re: Kitfox lll back presssure o stick (Richard Rabbers)
8. 02:13 PM - Bent tube assy-Bing carb. (Donald STEVENSON)
9. 04:05 PM - Re: Bent tube assy-Bing carb. (Chuck & Deanna Schieffer)
10. 05:48 PM - Re: Re: Meeting Kitfoxers at Sun 'n Fun (Brett Walmsley)
11. 07:06 PM - Re: Warp Prop Angle malcolm (Malcolmbru@aol.com)
12. 07:18 PM - Re: Re: Meeting Kitfoxers at Sun 'n Fun michigan (Malcolmbru@aol.com)
13. 07:20 PM - Re: Warp Prop Angle malcolm (Malcolmbru@aol.com)
14. 08:30 PM - Re: (Guy Buchanan)
15. 09:18 PM - Re: Ham Publication Features Kitfox on Cover (Ted Palamarek)
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox lll back presssure o stick |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
On Apr 12, 2006, at 2:21 AM, Frank Miles wrote:
> I also wants to roll right. We have adjust the wing to try to correct
> this
My model 3 also wants to roll right. I haven't adjusted the wing but
put a little aluminium plate on the left flaperon, as a trim. It works
fine.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Notice of Michigan Fly-in Breakfast |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
The fly-in itself is only the EAA pancake breakfast, which last from
7am to 11am, and then the lunch which is listed at Noon to 3pm. The
breakfast is served in the EAA hangar, so it is a rain-or-shine event.
All the rest of the activities are part of the "Cruise-in" portion of
the weekends' events, which are all held right at the airport, but away
from the runways. There is a camping area a couple hundred yards away
from, and across the road from, all the activities. My only
participation in the event was last year (I joined the Chapter in '04,
after that year's fly-in), and planes were coming and going all
day...no runways are shut down for the event, and it's not a very busy
'port anyway...Class D....come enjoy and leave your transponders at
home!
If nothing else gets your juices flowing, just the sight of our 4' x 8'
semi-automatic four-drops-at-a-time pancake grille would be worth the
flight across country, Lowell! Our Chapter 304 members made the grille
just for this event a few years back (our next project is an English
wheel).
I'm thinking that if enough Kitfoxes announce their intentions, I could
get us a parking area that would put us all together. It would be nice
to out-number the RV's that showed up last year about 6-8
strong....they flew in pretty much together, had b'fast, hung around a
bit, then left for another fly-in further up-state.
Lynn
On Tuesday, April 11, 2006, at 03:25 PM, Lowell Fitt wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Just thinking, how long is this fly-in going to last. From the
> suggestions, it looks like it will be sevaral days long and
> unfortunately
> that will be out of my time budget.
>
> The Cameron Park fly-in is a one day affair and in seven years I have
> never
> even found time to count the airplanes. For me the opportunity to
> place
> faces with names and see some of the airplanes is enough. Maybe I,m
> just
> getting old, but just sitting around and talking is usually excitement
> enough for me.
>
> I do hope to be there if everything comes together here.
>
> Lowell
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 9:33 AM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Notice of Michigan Fly-in Breakfast
>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>>
>> Well, there's airplane rides (big deal, eh?), helicopter rides, model
>> airplane display, classic, custom, street machines, hot rods, trucks &
>> motorcycles to look at, Car Awards at 2PM, DJ music, food
>> available....Meijers chain store within 2 miles....help, I'm running
>> out of ideas!
>> I'm trying to recall if the Cascades Illuminated Falls are up and
>> running that early in the calendar...it may not open until July
>> 4...not
>> sure about that.
>> You can probably see some of the projects that the EAA chapter members
>> are working on.
>>
>> Or like it says on the flyer: for more information call: John @(517)
>> 750-4035 or Chuck @(517) 783-1066 (that'll teach 'em to put their
>> phone numbers on the flyer!)
>>
>> Lynn
>> p.s. (if you let me know in advance, I'll bring my
>> pretty-good-looking P-40 model out to the show)
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 11, 2006, at 01:05 PM, Mike Chaney wrote:
>>
>>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mike Chaney <mdps_mc@SWOCA.NET>
>>>
>>> Is there something to do all day or even something locally to see or
>>> do.
>>>
>>> Mike Chaney
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Lynn
>>> Matteson
>>> Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 4:38 AM
>>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Notice of Michigan Fly-in Breakfast
>>>
>>>
>>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>>>
>>> I have posted on Sportflight, a flyer announcing the 38th Annual All
>>> You Can Eat Pancake Breakfast Fly-In and Cruise-In, held at the
>>> hangar
>>> of the EAA Chapter 304, at Jackson County Airport, 3606 Wildwood
>>> Avenue, Jackson Michigan, on June 11, 7 am to 3 pm.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Lynn
>>> Kitfox IV...Jabiru 2200
>>>
>>>
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| Subject: | Biing Adjustment |
Cc: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <CrownLJ@verizon.net>
Marco,
It sounds to me that there is a possibility that the slides are not able to bottom
out. Try loosening the "slide adjuster" knob while looking into the carb
and ensure that it is flush with the wall of the carb so that it will not contact
the slide. Then, bring the throttle to idle and see if the slide is flush
with the bottom of the carb, or is there still a gap? It sounds like your
throttle cable may need to be adjusted to allow the slide to sit flush with the
bottom of the carb. Once you can do that, then the idle adjustment screw (knob)
can be turned in to achieve the desired rpm. As it may be now, the throttle
cable is lifting the slide up enough whereby the idle adjustment does not
even contact the slide, thus has no effect. I have been able to adjust mine
for a 1500 rpm idle, but I did have to adjust the cable at the top of the carb.
Hope this helps,
Larry
"Ok, so I've gone with leaner idle jets (50 from 55) and adjusted the air
slides down as far as they go and I still can't get idle rpms below 2500.
I've just installed a gearbox clutch so I'd like to get idle down to where
prop doesn't engage. Should I go to 45's with the idler jets or is there
something else I haven't tried?"
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Cc: "'algate@attglobal.net'" <algate@attglobal.net>
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Napier, Mark" <Mark.Napier@sciatl.com>
Hey Marco,
I went from 55 to 50 and down to 45 to get a reliable idle. Before that the
engine would load up and die if idled too long, say like when you're
landing. Turning out the air bypass screws only gets you so far. On the
ground I've loaded the plugs up so bad the engine wouldn't restart unless I
cleaned them. Now it will idle all the way down to 1800 on the ground or
~2400 in the air. Also I don't float down the runway on landing. I did
have to also change my needle jet from 272 to 274 to compensate on the lower
mid-range.
The iridium plugs seem to help as well. I very carefully gapped them to
0.018 (that fine wire is brittle). Ronny Smith claims the engine gets hard
to start if you don't gap them and I found that to be true after a few
hours.
About getting a lower idle, you might also have to file on the bottom of the
carb slides a bit. The slides are modified from the motorcycle versions by
adding in that rectangular window. It adds more air right over the idle
port. This adds fuel/air so the engine will idle with the added load of the
prop. Remove the prop load and you need to lower the slides more to lower
the idle.
BTW, have you seen a landing approach by an airplane equipped with a clutch?
When the clutch disengages the prop spools up to high RPM and the drag is
very high. You can land shorter but I don't like what that could mean in an
engine out situation.
FWIW,
Mark Napier
N246DR
KF III
Time: 10:16:20 AM PST US
From: "Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Bing 54s - idle adjustment
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
With two strokes if you go lean on idle it tends to increase RPM rather than
decrease - maybe you're going the wrong way? - Bob Robertson should be able
to add to this
GaryA
Lite2/582
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marco Menezes
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 12:55 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Bing 54s - idle adjustment
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com>
List:
Ok, so I've gone with leaner idle jets (50 from 55) and adjusted the air
slides down as far as they go and I still can't get idle rpms below 2500.
I've just installed a gearbox clutch so I'd like to get idle down to where
prop doesn't engage. Should I go to 45's with the idler jets or is there
something else I haven't tried?
Marco Menezes
Model 2 582 N99KX
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Hey Marco,
I went from 55 to 50 and down to 45 to get a reliable idle. Before that the engine
would load up and die if idled too long, say like when you're landing. Turning
out the air bypass screws only gets you so far. On the ground I've loaded
the plugs up so bad the engine wouldn't restart unless I cleaned them. Now it
will idle all the way down to 1800 on the ground or ~2400 in the air. Also I
don't float down the runway on landing. I did have to also change my needle jet
from 272 to 274 to compensate on the lower mid-range.
The iridium plugs seem to help as well. I very carefully gapped them to 0.018 (that
fine wire is brittle). Ronny Smith claims the engine gets hard to start if
you don't gap them and I found that to be true after a few hours.
About getting a lower idle, you might also have to file on the bottom of the carb
slides a bit. The slides are modified from the motorcycle versions by adding
in that rectangular window. It adds more air right over the idle port. This
adds fuel/air so the engine will idle with the added load of the prop. Remove
the prop load and you need to lower the slides more to lower the idle.
BTW, have you seen a landing approach by an airplane equipped with a clutch? When
the clutch disengages the prop spools up to high RPM and the drag is very high.
You can land shorter but I don't like what that could mean in an engine out
situation.
FWIW,
Mark Napier
N246DR
KF III
Time: 10:16:20 AM PST US
From: Algate algate@attglobal.net
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Bing 54s - idle adjustment
-- Kitfox-List message posted by: Algate algate@attglobal.net
With two strokes if you go lean on idle it tends to increase RPM rather than
decrease - maybe you're going the wrong way? - Bob Robertson should be able
to add to this
GaryA
Lite2/582
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marco Menezes
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 12:55 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Bing 54s - idle adjustment
-- Kitfox-List message posted by: Marco Menezes msm_9949@yahoo.com
List:
Ok, so I've gone with leaner idle jets (50 from 55) and adjusted the air
slides down as far as they go and I still can't get idle rpms below 2500.
I've just installed a gearbox clutch so I'd like to get idle down to where
prop doesn't engage. Should I go to 45's with the idler jets or is there
something else I haven't tried?
Marco Menezes
Model 2 582 N99KX
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| Subject: | Kitfox lll back presssure o stick |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net
both of "fliers" suggestions appear to make the nose pitch down as does holding
forward stick.
During the first year, well past the Phase One test period, I tweaked the rig of
the wings for dihedral and roll to obtain hands of stability.
With regard to pitch: an interaction between the angle of attack of the stabilizer
and the amount of rudder required for coordinated turns. Initially, we had
it set for less angle of attack to provide a "carving action in the turn". As
a result, measuring the angle of the flaperons upon landing showed that 11 degrees
flap was required for straight and level at cruise (90ish) speed. When
the stabilizer was raised to the top notch trim of the flaperon was zero at cruise
(now closer to 100mph). But a more conscious control input of rudder was
required, all of which we deemed to be preferred.
With the addition of fairings on the lift strut rod ends, joy struts, and stabilizer
struts, and the elimination of carb heat in favor of separate filters we
are now seeing 107mph/gps at 5200rpm.
The whole process of testing, thinking and adjusting, evaluating was very enjoyable.
John Kerr
Classic IV, 912UL
730 hours
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "flier" <flier@sbcglobal.net>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier"
>
> Ok, it's forward pressure :
> )
>
> The flaperons probably aren't gonna correct that. They pitch the nose down.
>
> You'll need to move your horiz stab up a notch or so. The roll may be
> corrected with the wing wash-out.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ted
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Frank Miles
> Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 7:21 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitfox lll back presssure o stick
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Frank Miles"
>
>
> To clarify, I have to push forward. The natural pressure is for it to push
> back and want to climb. I have not tried to correct with the flap control.
> May be the answer? I also wants to roll right. We have adjust the wing to
> try to correct this. Have not flown it since the adjustment so don't know if
> that worked.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of flier
> Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 2:35 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com; kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox lll back presssure o stick
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier"
>
> Frank,
>
> Are you saying you're having to hold back pressure to
> keep the nose up in level flight? If so, lower the
> leading edge of the horiz. stab a notch or feed in
> some flaperon to see if you can trim out the nosedown
> tendency.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ted
>
> --- Original Message ---
> From: "Frank Miles"
> To:
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox lll back presssure o
> stick
>
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Frank Miles"
>
> >
> >Last fall I purchased a mdl. three and we are now
> getting around to trying
> >to fly it. Among the problems that we have
> encountered is that in level
> >flight there is an extreme back pressure on the
> stick. What would be the
> >best guess of the group is the problem? I have read
> that on approach there
> >should be a natural forward pressure but we find it
> to be more neutral than
> >anything. Frank
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both of "fliers" suggestions appear to make the nose pitch down as does holding
forward stick.
During the first year, well past the Phase One test period, I tweaked the rig of
the wings for dihedral and roll to obtain hands of stability.
With regard to pitch: an interaction between the angle of attack of the stabilizer
and the amount of rudder required for coordinated turns. Initially, we had
it set for less angle of attack to provide a "carving action in the turn". As
a result, measuring the angle of the flaperons upon landing showed that 11 degrees
flap was required for straight and level at cruise (90ish) speed. When the
stabilizer was raised to the top notch trim of the flaperon was zero at cruise
(now closer to 100mph). But a more conscious control input of rudder was required,
all of which we deemed to be preferred.
With the addition of fairings on the lift strut rod ends, joy struts, and stabilizer
struts, and the elimination of carb heat in favor of separate filters we
are now seeing 107mph/gps at 5200rpm.
The whole process of testing, thinking and adjusting, evaluating was very enjoyable.
John Kerr
Classic IV, 912UL
730 hours
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "flier" flier@sbcglobal.net
-- Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" <FLIER@SBCGLOBAL.NET>
Ok, it's forward pressure :
)
The flaperons probably aren't gonna correct that. They pitch the nose down.
You'll need to move your horiz stab up a notch or so. The roll may be
corrected with the wing wash-out.
Regards,
Ted
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Frank Miles
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 7:21 PM
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitfox lll back presssure o stick
-- Kitfox-List message posted by
: "Frank Miles"
<F.MILES.TCP.833@CLEARWIRE.NET>
To clarify, I have to push forward. The natural pressure is for it to push
back and want to climb. I have not tried to correct with the flap control.
May be the answer? I also wants to roll right. We have adjust the wing to
try to correct this. Have not flown it since the adjustment so don't know if
that worked.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of flier
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 2:35 PM
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com; kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox lll back presssure o stick
-- Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" <FLIER@SBCGLOBAL.NET>
Frank,
Are you saying you're having to hold back pressure to
keep the nose up
in level flight? If so, lower the
leading edge of the horiz. stab a notch or feed in
some flaperon to see if you can trim out the nosedown
tendency.
Regards,
Ted
--- Original Message ---
From: "Frank Miles" <F.MILES.TCP.833@CLEARWIRE.NET>
To: <KITFOX-LIST@MATRONICS.COM>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox lll back presssure o
stick
-- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Frank Miles"
<F.MILES.TCP.833@CLEARWIRE.NET>
Last fall I purchased a mdl. three and we are now
getting around to trying
to fly it. Among the problems that we have
encountered is that in level
flight there is an extreme back pressure on the
stick. What would be the
best guess of the group is the problem? I have read
that on approach there
should be a natural for
ward pressure but we find it
to be more neutral than
anything. Frank
!
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| Subject: | Kitfox lll back presssure o stick |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" <FLIER@sbcglobal.net>
Woops! John just clearly pointed out my reversal
below.
Pulling flaperons causes a pitch DOWN. So, flaperons
should work as trim if you're holding forward
pressure.
Glad it's Wednesday... :
)
Ted
--- Original Message ---
From: kerrjohna@comcast.net
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitfox lll back presssure o
stick
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by:
kerrjohna@comcast.net
>
>both of "fliers" suggestions appear to make the nose
pitch down as does holding forward stick.
>
>During the first year, well past the Phase One test
period, I tweaked the rig of the wings for dihedral
and roll to obtain hands of stability.
>
>With regard to pitch: an interaction between the
angle of attack of the stabilizer and the amount of
rudder required for coordinated turns. Initially, we
had it set for less angle of attack to provide
a "carving action in the turn". As a result,
measuring the angle of the flaperons upon landing
showed that 11 degrees flap was required for straight
and level at cruise (90ish) speed. When the
stabilizer was raised to the top notch trim of the
flaperon was zero at cruise (now closer to 100mph).
But a more conscious control input of rudder was
required, all of which we deemed to be preferred.
>
>With the addition of fairings on the lift strut rod
ends, joy struts, and stabilizer struts, and the
elimination of carb heat in favor of separate filters
we are now seeing 107mph/gps at 5200rpm.
>
>The whole process of testing, thinking and
adjusting, evaluating was very enjoyable.
>
>John Kerr
>Classic IV, 912UL
>730 hours
>
>-------------- Original message --------------
>From: "flier" <flier@sbcglobal.net>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier"
>>
>> Ok, it's forward pressure :
>> )
>>
>> The flaperons probably aren't gonna correct that.
They pitch the nose down.
>>
>> You'll need to move your horiz stab up a notch or
so. The roll may be
>> corrected with the wing wash-out.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Ted
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On
Behalf Of Frank Miles
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 7:21 PM
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitfox lll back
presssure o stick
>>
>>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Frank Miles"
>>
>>
>> To clarify, I have to push forward. The natural
pressure is for it to push
>> back and want to climb. I have not tried to
correct with the flap control.
>> May be the answer? I also wants to roll right. We
have adjust the wing to
>> try to correct this. Have not flown it since the
adjustment so don't know if
>> that worked.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On
Behalf Of flier
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 2:35 PM
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com; kitfox-
list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox lll back
presssure o stick
>>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier"
>>
>> Frank,
>>
>> Are you saying you're having to hold back pressure
to
>> keep the nose up in level flight? If so, lower the
>> leading edge of the horiz. stab a notch or feed in
>> some flaperon to see if you can trim out the
nosedown
>> tendency.
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>> Regards,
>>
>> Ted
>>
>> --- Original Message ---
>> From: "Frank Miles"
>> To:
>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox lll back presssure o
>> stick
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>> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Frank Miles"
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>> >Last fall I purchased a mdl. three and we are now
>> getting around to trying
>> >to fly it. Among the problems that we have
>> encountered is that in level
>> >flight there is an extreme back pressure on the
>> stick. What would be the
>> >best guess of the group is the problem? I have
read
>> that on approach there
>> >should be a natural forward pressure but we find
it
>> to be more neutral than
>> >anything. Frank
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>both of "fliers" suggestions appear to make the nose
pitch down as does holding forward stick.
>
>During the first year, well past the Phase One test
period, I tweaked the rig of the wings for dihedral
and roll to obtain hands of stability.
>
>With regard to pitch: an interaction between the
angle of attack of the stabilizer and the amount of
rudder required for coordinated turns. Initially, we
had it set for less angle of attack to provide
a "carving action in the turn". As a result,
measuring the angle of the flaperons upon landing
showed that 11 degrees flap was required for straight
and level at cruise (90ish) speed. When the
stabilizer was raised to the top notch trim of the
flaperon was zero at cruise (now closer to 100mph).
But a more conscious control input of rudder was
required, all of which we deemed to be preferred.
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>With the addition of fairings on the lift strut rod
ends, joy struts, and stabilizer struts, and the
elimination of carb heat in favor of separate filters
we are now seeing 107mph/gps at 5200rpm.
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>The whole process of testing, thinking and
adjusting, evaluating was very enjoyable.
>
>John Kerr
>Classic IV, 912UL
>730 hours
>
>-------------- Original message --------------
>From: "flier" flier@sbcglobal.net
>
> -- Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier"
<FLIER@SBCGLOBAL.NET>
>
> Ok, it's forward pressure :
> )
>
> The flaperons probably aren't gonna correct that.
They pitch the nose down.
>
> You'll need to move your horiz stab up a notch or
so. The roll may be
> corrected with the wing wash-out.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ted
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On
Behalf Of Frank Miles
> Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 7:21 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitfox lll back presssure
o stick
>
>
> -- Kitfox-List message posted by
> : "Frank Miles"
> <F.MILES.TCP.833@CLEARWIRE.NET>
>
> To clarify, I have to push forward. The natural
pressure is for it to push
> back and want to climb. I have not tried to correct
with the flap control.
> May be the answer? I also wants to roll right. We
have adjust the wing to
> try to correct this. Have not flown it since the
adjustment so don't know if
> that worked.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On
Behalf Of flier
> Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 2:35 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com; kitfox-
list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox lll back presssure
o stick
>
> -- Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier"
<FLIER@SBCGLOBAL.NET>
>
> Frank,
>
> Are you saying you're having to hold back pressure
to
> keep the nose up
> in level flight? If so, lower the
> leading edge of the horiz. stab a notch or feed in
> some flaperon to see if you can trim out the
nosedown
> tendency.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ted
>
> --- Original Message ---
> From: "Frank Miles" <F.MILES.TCP.833@CLEARWIRE.NET>
> To: <KITFOX-LIST@MATRONICS.COM>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox lll back presssure o
> stick
>
> -- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Frank Miles"
> <F.MILES.TCP.833@CLEARWIRE.NET>
>
> Last fall I purchased a mdl. three and we are now
> getting around to trying
> to fly it. Among the problems that we have
> encountered is that in level
> flight there is an extreme back pressure on the
> stick. What would be the
> best guess of the group is the problem? I have read
> that on approach there
> should be a natural for
> ward pressure but we find it
> to be more neutral than
> anything. Frank
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox lll back presssure o stick |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Richard Rabbers" <rira1950@yahoo.com>
> Glad it's Wednesday... :
the best day of the week..... FLYday.
Hoping to get there one of these days.
do not archive
--------
Richard in SW Michigan
Model 1 / 618 - full-lotus floats (restoration)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=27916#27916
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| Subject: | Bent tube assy-Bing carb. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Donald STEVENSON <shericom@rogers.com>
Hi list, I am looking for the Bent tube assy, P/N 861 640 (for the choke cable)
on a Bing 64 carburetor on a Rotax 912. I managed to break one today while working
on the engine!! MADE MY DAY. If anyone has one I would like to hear from
you, Thanks, Don
Don Stevenson, Caledon, Ontario, Canada.
M4/1200 Speedster-912
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| Subject: | Re: Bent tube assy-Bing carb. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Chuck & Deanna Schieffer" <cdschieffer@starnetdial.net>
I got one from Lockwood Aviation in FL when I needed one.
Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: "Donald STEVENSON" <shericom@rogers.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 2:09 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Bent tube assy-Bing carb.
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Donald STEVENSON <shericom@rogers.com>
>
> Hi list, I am looking for the Bent tube assy, P/N 861 640 (for the choke
> cable) on a Bing 64 carburetor on a Rotax 912. I managed to break one
> today while working on the engine!! MADE MY DAY. If anyone has one I would
> like to hear from you, Thanks, Don
>
> Don Stevenson, Caledon, Ontario, Canada.
> M4/1200 Speedster-912
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Meeting Kitfoxers at Sun 'n Fun |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brett Walmsley" <n93hj@numail.org>
Andrew,
So, how was your trip to FL.
Did you pick a place to get things rolling?
I think your getting in at a good time to find a job.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew Matthaey" <spaghettiohead@hotmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 9:02 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Meeting Kitfoxers at Sun 'n Fun
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey"
> <spaghettiohead@hotmail.com>
>
> Brett said:
> Talked with the guys from up north for a minute. Nice
>>fellas considering they were Yankees.
>
>
> Hey buddy, them 'r fightin' words! LoL
>
> Andrew
>
>
> do not archive
>
>
>>From: "Brett Walmsley" <n93hj@numail.org>
>>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Meeting Kitfoxers at Sun 'n Fun
>>Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 20:49:43 -0400
>>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brett Walmsley" <n93hj@numail.org>
>>
>>I was walking around Wednesday only.
>>Saw two from Michigan, I think. They were with an Avid over int the
>>camping
>>area. Saw a yellow one on the flight line. Blue one in the UL area and the
>>one on the trailer. Talked with the guys from up north for a minute. Nice
>>fellas considering they were Yankees.
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "eccles" <eccles@Chartermi.net>
>>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 3:29 PM
>>Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Meeting Kitfoxers at Sun 'n Fun
>>
>>
>> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "eccles" <eccles@chartermi.net>
>> >
>> > speaking of sun n fun where were all the kitfox's ? I was there all
>> > week
>> > and
>> > i did not see one Kitfox, maybe they were hiding somewhere .
>> > Steve
>> > 642SE
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>> > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of kitfoxmike
>> > Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 11:53 AM
>> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Meeting Kitfoxers at Sun 'n Fun
>> >
>> >
>> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com>
>> >
>> > lockwood aviation
>> >
>> > --------
>> > kitfoxmike
>> > kitfox4 1200 912ul speedster
>> > http://www.frappr.com/kitfoxmike
>> >
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>> > Read this topic online here:
>> >
>> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=27600#27600
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| Subject: | Re: Warp Prop Angle malcolm |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Malcolmbru@aol.com
I am working on my prop now a 60 in should be around 14% take measurement
from center of hub to tip of blade to determine length try to get the blade
level first moor static rpm will give you more power/climb but less speed
malcolm
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| Subject: | Re: Meeting Kitfoxers at Sun 'n Fun michigan |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Malcolmbru@aol.com
I was riding around in a golf cart and was compelled to offer a guy a ride
only to find out he was a kit fox owner also he used Matronics user group and
recognized my name and promised to speak up the next time you guy, s made
fun of my grammar.
The blue KF4 powered by a HKS in UL field was owned buy the owner of a
company called green sky adventures. Maker of the micro mong kit.
Malcolm Michigan
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| Subject: | Re: Warp Prop Angle malcolm |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Malcolmbru@aol.com
I will make a correction the prop I use is a 66 in not 60 mal
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
At 01:38 AM 4/2/2005, you wrote:
>Does anybody use the flip lever? Does
>it work fine?
There was a Skystar SL regarding the flip lever, "#35 - Rotax 582 Choke
Control", which specified a modification to the little black plastic choke
lever. It didn't give more throw, but shortened the cable and prevented
pull-through. Let me know if you can't find it and I'll scan it in for you.
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Ham Publication Features Kitfox on Cover |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ted Palamarek" <temco@telusplanet.net>
Jim
N91KF was the Demo plane that Skystar demonstrated and also used as a test
bed. Don't know who may own it now. I have a real nice photo of it on Full
Lotus floats.
Ted
Edmonton
DO NOT ARCHIVE
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Crowder
Sent: April 11, 2006 6:37 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Ham Publication Features Kitfox on Cover
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Crowder <jimlc@att.net>
I was just looking through my April QST which is the ARRL Ham
publication and came upon a red Kitfox. It was a full page add for
an ARRL publication called "Amateur Radio on the Move." It is a "how
to" manual for using Ham radios in mobile installations. The front
cover features what I take to be a Model 4 red Kitfox with tail
number N91KF. The identification "Kitfox" is prominent on the side
of the aircraft. Looking good!
Jim Crowder
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