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1. 05:39 AM - Re: off topic: Languages (Peter Graichen)
2. 06:52 AM - Kitfoxers...Alcohol and Gasoline (Hm Doud)
3. 07:12 AM - Re: off topic: Languages (kurt schrader)
4. 02:13 PM - Re: Kitfoxers...Alcohol and Gasoline!!! (flier)
5. 02:15 PM - Ham Cover Picture (Ross Neffenegger)
6. 02:42 PM - Re: Ham Cover Picture (ron schick)
7. 03:53 PM - Re: off topic: Languages (Michel Verheughe)
8. 06:18 PM - Firewall Sound insulation kit (Donald STEVENSON)
9. 06:18 PM - Firewall Sound insulation kit (Donald STEVENSON)
10. 06:38 PM - Re: Firewall Sound insulation kit (wingsdown)
11. 06:57 PM - Re: off topic: Languages malcolm (Malcolmbru@aol.com)
12. 07:23 PM - Re: Firewall Sound insulation kit (Donald STEVENSON)
13. 07:23 PM - Re: off topic: Languages (kurt schrader)
14. 07:37 PM - Re: Kitfoxers...Alcohol and Gasoline!!! (kurt schrader)
15. 07:42 PM - Re: Oil cooler thermostats (kurt schrader)
16. 08:06 PM - Re: Firewall Sound insulation kit (James Shumaker)
17. 08:18 PM - Re: Firewall Sound insulation kit (Richard Rabbers)
18. 08:25 PM - Re: Re: off topic - Date time note (kurt schrader)
19. 09:05 PM - Re: Re: Firewall Sound insulation kit (Dan Billingsley)
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| Subject: | off topic: Languages |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Peter Graichen" <n10pg@neo.rr.com>
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kurt schrader
Sent: Friday, 14 April, 2006 22:35
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: off topic: Languages
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
--> <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Right Dave!
I learned that it was hard to explain in German how you can chop a tree
down, and then chop it up.
Kurt S.
Ich habe den Baum abgeschlagen und dann klein gehackt.
Nothing hard about that!
Peter Graichen
http:/home.neo.rr.com/n10pg/kitfox.htm
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| Subject: | Kitfoxers...Alcohol and Gasoline |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Hm Doud" <hmdoud@ev1.net>
I was listening to a program the other night concerning the additives that are
in the gasoline that we all use. The guests were several "Big Oil Petroleum
Experts" discussing the present day high gas prices and the recent 25 cent or
more, price hike.
According to the experts, the Federal Government has recently ordered that the
chemical MTBE (I think that's right) must replaced with ethol alcohol. It seems
that MTBE is showing up in water supplies all over the country......Lakes,
rivers, wells, drinking water, etc.
The chemical was introduced a number of years ago, to reduce emissions and make
the fuel cleaner burning. It, according to the experts, was a big mistake.
Another big government surprise.
Because the producers of gasoline must make the conversion to replace MTBE with
alcohol, the cost of gasoline has increased dramatically in the past few weeks.
This alcohol replacement in gas can adversely effect the seals and rubber components
in gasloine engines, which were not designed to operate with alcohol.
I think I remember a discussion, awhile back, on the list concerning the engines
in our aircraft and that some pilots were having trouble locating gas that did
not have alcohol as an additive. I think this is true particularly in the
midwest, corn country.
Now that alcohol is going to be a manditory additive in all gasoline, I wonder
how that will effect our Rotax and other gasoline engines in our Kitfoxes?
It was mentioned that a couple of South American countries are already using straight
alcohol in their automobile, with modification. Either Agentina or Brazil
(can't remember which), has switched to alcohol, according to the experts.
Herbert Doud
Kitfox 4
Rotax 582 Blue Head
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| Subject: | Re: off topic: Languages |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Nothing better than "sudden" progress.
Well, except releasing a KitFox from captivity.
Kurt S.
Do not archive
--- Mo <mo44d@comcast.net> wrote:
> Maurice Fitzgerald, N831MF, S7 912S whose kit was
> released from Skyscrew
> last Friday and is now in John McBean's hangar.
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| Subject: | Kitfoxers...Alcohol and Gasoline!!! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" <flier@sbcglobal.net>
I was just getting ready to send the same email! This is a big issue.
The fiberglass tanks in our 'Foxes are quite sensitive to the ethanol if I
recall. What's everyone planning to do?? De-fuel after each flight?
I'd sooner do that than go 100LL.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Hm Doud
Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2006 8:50 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfoxers...Alcohol and Gasoline
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Hm Doud" <hmdoud@ev1.net>
I was listening to a program the other night concerning the additives that
are in the gasoline that we all use. The guests were several "Big Oil
Petroleum Experts" discussing the present day high gas prices and the recent
25 cent or more, price hike.
According to the experts, the Federal Government has recently ordered that
the chemical MTBE (I think that's right) must replaced with ethol alcohol.
It seems that MTBE is showing up in water supplies all over the
country......Lakes, rivers, wells, drinking water, etc.
The chemical was introduced a number of years ago, to reduce emissions and
make the fuel cleaner burning. It, according to the experts, was a big
mistake. Another big government surprise.
Because the producers of gasoline must make the conversion to replace MTBE
with alcohol, the cost of gasoline has increased dramatically in the past
few weeks.
This alcohol replacement in gas can adversely effect the seals and rubber
components in gasloine engines, which were not designed to operate with
alcohol.
I think I remember a discussion, awhile back, on the list concerning the
engines in our aircraft and that some pilots were having trouble locating
gas that did not have alcohol as an additive. I think this is true
particularly in the midwest, corn country.
Now that alcohol is going to be a manditory additive in all gasoline, I
wonder how that will effect our Rotax and other gasoline engines in our
Kitfoxes?
It was mentioned that a couple of South American countries are already using
straight alcohol in their automobile, with modification. Either Agentina or
Brazil (can't remember which), has switched to alcohol, according to the
experts.
Herbert Doud
Kitfox 4
Rotax 582 Blue Head
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| Subject: | Ham Cover Picture |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ross Neffenegger" <ros@starband.net>
Jim:
You are right, it probably is an old file photo. At least ten yr.
I obtained the 91KF number several years ago. The number had become
avaible because the previous aircraft had been exported out of the U.S.
I think, but not sure the aircraft was a kit fox and had belonged to Dan
Denney.
Ross
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| Subject: | Ham Cover Picture |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
Ross I have seen your records with the faa and under the N number it shows
the former owner as well as the reason for deregistration. Google N91kf
and look at faa registery. You can keep scrolling down after it looks like
the end. Ron NB Ore
>From: "Ross Neffenegger" <ros@starband.net>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Ham Cover Picture
>Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 14:22:48 -0700
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ross Neffenegger" <ros@starband.net>
>
>Jim:
>You are right, it probably is an old file photo. At least ten yr.
>I obtained the 91KF number several years ago. The number had become
>avaible because the previous aircraft had been exported out of the U.S.
>I think, but not sure the aircraft was a kit fox and had belonged to Dan
>Denney.
>
>Ross
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: off topic: Languages |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
What I meant to say, Kurt, Rex and Dave, is that English uses words
from both Germanic and Latin origins. Like snake and serpent, or trip
and voyage. This makes a hell of a lot of words to learn for a student.
However, it is possible to learn a simple English, as my father was
taught when he came to England during WW II. An Englishman will shut
the gate. A foreigner will close the door, the latter being "poor man's
English."
But "to seven zero" being understood as "two seven zero" is the fault
of the ATC controller. When a word can be misunderstood, it is
pronounced differently. E.g "nine" is "niner." In French, "un" (one) is
pronounced "unite." And that's probably the reason, Kurt, your
Brazilian controller said "half a dozen" for "six."
On another off-topic subject, I agree, Kurt, that the answer is
forty-two. Mind you, it could also be forty-three, but I know that the
answer is very simple. Let me give you an example:
As he sat for his long westward journey, Columbus had three
alternatives:
1) The earth could be flat and ends somewhere, then there is only the
big void.
2) The earth could be flat and infinite, always new lands, new seas, to
the end of times.
3) The earth could be volumetric. Given enough time, you'll eventually
come back to your point of departure.
Now, consider the universe. Strangely enough most people envision only
one alternative. Why is that?
On a more down to earth note, here is a small video of my flight today
(1.7 Mb):
http://home.online.no/~michel/tmp/Fyresdal.mov
Unfortunately it was a bit turbulent and the camera wasn't very steady.
Note the strange pattern in the ice.
Cheers,
Michel
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Firewall Sound insulation kit |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Donald STEVENSON <shericom@rogers.com>
Hi everyone, I'm building a M4/1200 Speedster with a 912 engine (1992) The kit
came with a P/N 69013 pre-sewn sound insulation kit for the firewall, I have seen
a service letter re heat damage to areas near the exhaust pipes and muffler,
it recommends an aluminum heat shield be riveted to sandwich the insulation
between it and the firewall. Has anyone done this and does it work, or has anyone
in fact used the sound insulation kit at all? Any comments welcome, Thanks,
Don
Don Stevenson, Caledon Ontario Canada
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| Subject: | Firewall Sound insulation kit |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Donald STEVENSON <shericom@rogers.com>
Hi everyone, I'm building a M4/1200 Speedster with a 912 engine (1992) The kit
came with a P/N 69013 pre-sewn sound insulation kit for the firewall, I have seen
a service letter re heat damage to areas near the exhaust pipes and muffler,
it recommends an aluminum heat shield be riveted to sandwich the insulation
between it and the firewall. Has anyone done this and does it work, or has anyone
in fact used the sound insulation kit at all? Any comments welcome, Thanks,
Don
Don Stevenson, Caledon Ontario Canada
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| Subject: | Firewall Sound insulation kit |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingsdown" <wingsdown@comcast.net>
Why cant it be put on the cabin side of the firewall?
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Donald
STEVENSON
Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2006 6:11 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Firewall Sound insulation kit
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Donald STEVENSON
--> <shericom@rogers.com>
Hi everyone, I'm building a M4/1200 Speedster with a 912 engine (1992)
The kit came with a P/N 69013 pre-sewn sound insulation kit for the
firewall, I have seen a service letter re heat damage to areas near the
exhaust pipes and muffler, it recommends an aluminum heat shield be
riveted to sandwich the insulation between it and the firewall. Has
anyone done this and does it work, or has anyone in fact used the sound
insulation kit at all? Any comments welcome, Thanks, Don
Don Stevenson, Caledon Ontario Canada
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| Subject: | Re: off topic: Languages malcolm |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Malcolmbru@aol.com
that utter guy was rite it always feels good to associate with smarter guys
cuz some people ant got no class Happy Easter Malcolm do not archive
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| Subject: | Firewall Sound insulation kit |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Donald STEVENSON <shericom@rogers.com>
Hi Rick, It's pre-sewn and is shaped to fit on the engine side except for the top
half which covers both the eng. side and the cabin side like an envelope, Don
wingsdown <wingsdown@comcast.net> wrote: --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingsdown"
Why cant it be put on the cabin side of the firewall?
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Donald
STEVENSON
Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2006 6:11 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Firewall Sound insulation kit
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Donald STEVENSON
-->
Hi everyone, I'm building a M4/1200 Speedster with a 912 engine (1992)
The kit came with a P/N 69013 pre-sewn sound insulation kit for the
firewall, I have seen a service letter re heat damage to areas near the
exhaust pipes and muffler, it recommends an aluminum heat shield be
riveted to sandwich the insulation between it and the firewall. Has
anyone done this and does it work, or has anyone in fact used the sound
insulation kit at all? Any comments welcome, Thanks, Don
Don Stevenson, Caledon Ontario Canada
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| Subject: | Re: off topic: Languages |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Oh I see Michel,
I too must have missed something between the two of
us, but your reference to WW II cleared it up. ;-)
Continuing with this fun, off topic, language
trivia....
One of our New York papers did a check of how many
different words they used in the publication of a
daily paper and came up with only about 600. A lot
could be said about that! However, reporters
apparently are the ones least likely to say it.
In the U.S., as you referred to when talking about how
we write, (right?) we use a much more limited
vocabulary then was common in the past. (Except for
technology words) For example, I was just looking the
word "rhythm" up to check my spelling and had to type
"cadence" and cross check it because the computer had
no idea of what I was spelling? Nor did I apparently.
So then....
Sentence structure, rhythm and tone were better taught
years ago in my opinion. Discipline in school was
important then and stressed as the "three R's". Did
Reading wRighting and aRithmatic as R's mess with our
spelling?
If you read "Lost Horizons" you get a much better use
of the English language than you see in most books and
every newspaper today. It is a joy to read, even
though it is a story of perfection only for those who
lived at the top of the food chain in a class society.
There is a mastery of language in that book.
Of course, that is a British book and not U.S. We
remain "two countries divided by a common language",
as Churchill said.
"When in the course of human events...." signed back
on July 4th, 1776, was written in only three days. It
showed that some people could write a declarative
document of such importance, starting with one phrase
of so few that said so much, and kept it all to one
page. Who could write so effectively today?
Did you know that Daniel Webster learned 22 languages
while writing the first U.S. English dictionary?
Before that, you spelled words according to how they
sounded when you spoke them. Your regional dialect
was evident, such as when Daniel Boone wrote about his
dawg! (That is Kentucky talk for dog)
Next?
Kurt S.
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Kitfoxers...Alcohol and Gasoline!!! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
There are alcohol resistant slosh materials out now
and I used one when doing my tanks a few years back.
Changed out my fuel hoses too. But I still have a
carb that will corrode from alcohol use, and probably
a few other components like "O" rings to watch too.
Wonder about the aluminum fuel lines with alcohol...
Corrosion? I understand it is because of how much
water alcohol can hold?
It was the Brizialian government that tried to convert
the country to alcohol expecting to lead the U.S. and
sell products to us that way. But we didn't change
and the Brazilian government dropped the program
stranding motorists with alcohol only cars to be
converted back to dual use. They are unhappy about it
because they had to pay for it.
But then FedEx started Zip mail and went bust with it
years ago. Now known as e-mail, it seems to work OK.
Some just get ahead of their time...
Kurt S.
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| Subject: | Re: Oil cooler thermostats |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Alan,
--- Alan & Linda Daniels <aldaniels@fmtc.com> wrote:
> Pay close attention to the in and out. It is not
> well marked on the thermostat and it does matter.
I have been worried about that very thing.
Kurt S.
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall Sound insulation kit |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: James Shumaker <jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net>
The aluminum heat shield works very well. I got a roll aluminum from the lumber
yard. It is used for flashing in roofing jobs. It works very well for shielding.
If you have a gascolator in the engine compartment it should also have
aluminum shielding to protect it from the radiated heat from the muffler.
Jim Shumaker
Donald STEVENSON <shericom@rogers.com> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Donald STEVENSON
Hi everyone, I'm building a M4/1200 Speedster with a 912 engine (1992) The kit
came with a P/N 69013 pre-sewn sound insulation kit for the firewall, I have seen
a service letter re heat damage to areas near the exhaust pipes and muffler,
it recommends an aluminum heat shield be riveted to sandwich the insulation
between it and the firewall. Has anyone done this and does it work, or has anyone
in fact used the sound insulation kit at all? Any comments welcome, Thanks,
Don
Don Stevenson, Caledon Ontario Canada
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall Sound insulation kit |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Richard Rabbers" <rira1950@yahoo.com>
My model 1 had sound insulation glued to the engine side of the firewall.
An A&P commented regarding the hazard of oil or other flammable accumulation (also
hard to clean) and suggested it would be better to mount on the rear(passenger)side.
The 'sandwich' method would work but add the weight of the second aluminum skin.
I plan to mount insulation on the back side of my firewall.
--------
Richard in SW Michigan
Model 1 / 618 - full-lotus floats (restoration)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=28667#28667
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| Subject: | Re: off topic - Date time note |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Michael G,
--------------------------------
> Kurt sez:
>
> >The horizontal beam going off in a completely
> different direction will immediately turn verticle!
> >
> >How does it know?
--------------------------------
> --- Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net> wrote:
> First it was general relativity, now quantum
> mechanics! Who knew
> that Kitfox drivers were so knowledgeable about
> modern physics? :-)
--------------------------------
One person can only do so much.
Helps to have attention deficite deslyxia and is that
how you spell fysics?
Well, what do you think about while you are building a
plane anyway??? :-)
kurt S.
Do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall Sound insulation kit |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dan Billingsley <dan@azshowersolutions.com>
Richard, I have heard the same thing concerning oil accumulation and then becoming
a fire hazard if the blanket is mounted on the engine side. Has anyone here
mounted it to the inside? Is there enough room without interfering with the
rudder/brake pedals?
Dan B
Mesa, AZ
www.azshowersolutions.com/Kitfox1.html
Richard Rabbers <rira1950@yahoo.com> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Richard Rabbers"
My model 1 had sound insulation glued to the engine side of the firewall.
An A&P commented regarding the hazard of oil or other flammable accumulation (also
hard to clean) and suggested it would be better to mount on the rear(passenger)side.
The 'sandwich' method would work but add the weight of the second aluminum skin.
I plan to mount insulation on the back side of my firewall.
--------
Richard in SW Michigan
Model 1 / 618 - full-lotus floats (restoration)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=28667#28667
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