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1. 02:33 AM - Exhaust pipe seal (Brett Walmsley)
2. 03:52 AM - Re: Firewall Sound insulation kit (Lynn Matteson)
3. 04:00 AM - Re: Re: Firewall Sound insulation kit (Lynn Matteson)
4. 07:04 AM - Re: Exhaust pipe seal (Ceashman@aol.com)
5. 08:39 AM - Re: Re: Firewall Sound insulation kit (Alan & Linda Daniels)
6. 08:58 AM - Re: Kitfoxers...Alcohol and Gasoline!!! (flier)
7. 09:21 AM - Re: off topic - Date time note (alnanarthur)
8. 10:01 AM - Re: Re: Firewall Sound insulation kit (Lowell Fitt)
9. 10:07 AM - Re: Kitfoxers...Alcohol and Gasoline!!! (Lowell Fitt)
10. 10:40 AM - Cameron Park Fly-in (Lowell Fitt)
11. 12:41 PM - Re: Cameron Park Fly-in (Lowell Fitt)
12. 02:10 PM - Re: off topic: Languages (Clem Nichols)
13. 02:52 PM - Re: Re: Firewall Sound insulation kit (Bradley M Webb)
14. 03:58 PM - O-235 (Alan & Linda Daniels)
15. 09:08 PM - Ethanol Fuel (Rex Shaw)
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| Subject: | Exhaust pipe seal |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brett Walmsley" <n93hj@numail.org>
I do not see reference anywhere to a gasket for sealing the exhaust pipe to the
head.
Have I just missed it or is there just no gasket?
Oh yea, I am referring to a 912UL.
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall Sound insulation kit |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
I had the same question regarding the firewall insulation, called Frank
Miller and he said that they don't (didn't) even use it anymore. He
suggested that if I wanted to use it, mount it on the back side (cabin
side) of the firewall. That is what I did. I cut the thread that held
the front and back halves together, removed the upper half ( the side
that would normally cover the cabin side of the firewall), fitted the
remaining full piece to the back side of the firewall, and trimmed to
fit. Because I have a Jabiru engine and Skyfox cowl, my firewall is a
little shorter height-wise, so I had to trim some off the insulating
blanket to fit. I then used a U-shaped rubber cowl seal (Aircraft
Spruce) to dress up the edge of the firewall-blanket transition.
Lynn
Kitfox IV...Jabiru 2200
(12+ hours in Phase I, and counting)
On Saturday, April 15, 2006, at 10:21 PM, Donald STEVENSON wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Donald STEVENSON
> <shericom@rogers.com>
>
> Hi Rick, It's pre-sewn and is shaped to fit on the engine side except
> for the top half which covers both the eng. side and the cabin side
> like an envelope, Don
>
> wingsdown <wingsdown@comcast.net> wrote: --> Kitfox-List message
> posted by: "wingsdown"
>
> Why cant it be put on the cabin side of the firewall?
> Rick
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall Sound insulation kit |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
I had no interference problems with the rudder/brake pedals, because I
used some type B metal screws, large area washers, and Tinnerman nuts
in the areas where the blanket wanted to not lay right up against the
firewall, such as the inside corners of the firewall. It wanted to
droop there, and the screw/washer/nut combo took care of that.
Lynn
Kitfox IV...Jabiru 2200
On Sunday, April 16, 2006, at 12:03 AM, Dan Billingsley wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dan Billingsley
> <dan@azshowersolutions.com>
>
> Richard, I have heard the same thing concerning oil accumulation and
> then becoming a fire hazard if the blanket is mounted on the engine
> side. Has anyone here mounted it to the inside? Is there enough room
> without interfering with the rudder/brake pedals?
> Dan B
> Mesa, AZ
> www.azshowersolutions.com/Kitfox1.html
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| Subject: | Re: Exhaust pipe seal |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Ceashman@aol.com
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brett Walmsley" n93hj@numail.org
-->I do not see reference anywhere to a gasket for sealing the exhaust pipe
to the head.
-->Have I just missed it or is there just no gasket?
-->Oh yea, I am referring to a 912UL.
Hi Brett.
No gasket. A little shuffling of the pipe as you slowly tighten the nuts
should seat in the pipes. Of course, make sure all is in place (the whole exhaust
system)
Eric.
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall Sound insulation kit |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
How much does the blanket weigh. Is it worth it to drag it to altitude
every flight. I find most of the noise comes from the prop on the
windshield and other air noise. Some installations need it for heat, but
I am not sure it makes much difference for noise. I used one on my first
project, not on the rest. Just something to think about.
Dan Billingsley wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dan Billingsley <dan@azshowersolutions.com>
>
>Richard, I have heard the same thing concerning oil accumulation and then becoming
a fire hazard if the blanket is mounted on the engine side. Has anyone here
mounted it to the inside? Is there enough room without interfering with the
rudder/brake pedals?
> Dan B
> Mesa, AZ
> www.azshowersolutions.com/Kitfox1.html
>
>Richard Rabbers <rira1950@yahoo.com> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Richard Rabbers"
>
>My model 1 had sound insulation glued to the engine side of the firewall.
>An A&P commented regarding the hazard of oil or other flammable accumulation (also
hard to clean) and suggested it would be better to mount on the rear(passenger)side.
>
>The 'sandwich' method would work but add the weight of the second aluminum skin.
>
>I plan to mount insulation on the back side of my firewall.
>
>--------
>Richard in SW Michigan
>Model 1 / 618 - full-lotus floats (restoration)
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=28667#28667
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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| Subject: | Kitfoxers...Alcohol and Gasoline!!! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" <flier@sbcglobal.net>
Personally I'm pretty concerned. I've never had issues getting alcohol free
gas in the past but nearly every pump has already been labeled with the 'up
to 10% ethanol' notice. There's still MTBE based fuel at the pumps
(although I'm testing now) but won't be long before we'll all have to do
something with our tanks and engines. Has anyone spoken with the Rotax
service folks? I'm wondering what they have to say about our 912's?
This could end up being pretty extensive & expensive!
Regards,
Ted
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of kurt
schrader
Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2006 9:36 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitfoxers...Alcohol and Gasoline!!!
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
<smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
There are alcohol resistant slosh materials out now
and I used one when doing my tanks a few years back.
Changed out my fuel hoses too. But I still have a
carb that will corrode from alcohol use, and probably
a few other components like "O" rings to watch too.
Wonder about the aluminum fuel lines with alcohol...
Corrosion? I understand it is because of how much
water alcohol can hold?
It was the Brizialian government that tried to convert
the country to alcohol expecting to lead the U.S. and
sell products to us that way. But we didn't change
and the Brazilian government dropped the program
stranding motorists with alcohol only cars to be
converted back to dual use. They are unhappy about it
because they had to pay for it.
But then FedEx started Zip mail and went bust with it
years ago. Now known as e-mail, it seems to work OK.
Some just get ahead of their time...
Kurt S.
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| Subject: | Re: off topic - Date time note |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: alnanarthur <alnanarthur@sbcglobal.net>
Hi Kurt, Thanks for the reply.
I think that I will take my towel and cogitate upon your most lucid
trilogy of conjectures.
I'm sure if I search deep enough, that I will find a kernel of truth
buried in there somewhere.
Yes, I have read about slowing light to a standstill and I don't
understand it.
Bell theorem proves quantum (spooky) action at a distance, but sadly
it also proves that it is not possible to use it to communicate
instantly . The receiver doesn't have the code needed to decode the
message, it would have to be sent by the "slow speed of light"
method. So you might just as well send the message via the speed of
light. Maybe wormholes would work!
As to your second point, I'm not getting in that box.
Thirdly, in a universe with 4 spatial dimensions, the effects of
gravity are unstable. And even gravitational waves are effected by
gravity. There would therefore clearly be Chaos in the Cosmos.
I think that only you and I seem to be playing this game. The other
listers seem to be underwhelmed with our deep. philosophical
ramblings. If the rain stops soon here in "sunny" CA, I'm going
flying.
BEAM ME UP SCOTTY
Al Arthur do not archive
On Apr 14, 2006, at 8:41 PM, kurt schrader wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
> <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>
> I love it Big Al!
>
> You immediately got the answer.
>
> Given that my physics is better than my spelling, I
> think I'll stick it out here while the list is quiet.
>
> We are way out of Popular Science and into Scientific
> American territory mow. Theory that is changed by the
> act of looking for the proof..... Uncertainity
> principle? Chaos and anti-chaos theory?
>
> You probably liked the origional Hitch Hiker's Guide
> to the Galaxy too? I got the books and movie both.
>
> 42???
>
> Hubble's constant?
>
> I like to use flouresent lights as my "simple" and
> every day quantum physics application. Jumpin'
> electrons, orbits and wavelenghts. Absorbtion and
> re-emmition..... It's a start.
>
> The example I gave is an older experiment where the
> light was then shined on a second pair of polarized
> lenses as detectors and you could determine that
> changing the polarity of 1/2 of the beam meant that
> the second beam would no longer penetrate its
> polarized lense until it was also turned. Messy as
> you said, but an interesting experiment.
>
> You are exactly right that if we view things in light
> speed and "no time" the answer is much more obvious.
> What we may see as light beams split and miles or
> light years apart is really still connected to the
> source, or everywhere at once.
>
> This leads me to 3 points.
>
> Have you heard of the recent success in entraping
> light or "stopping" it? A photon you say....
>
> Suppose that you split the beam (or entangled photons)
> in 2 and polarized each half, then entrapped them.
> Now if you carry the case for each half to any remote
> location, you can still (?) change the polarity of the
> other half by changing yours.
>
> Take 40 or so such paired split beams and make a
> "typewriter" from them that changes the orientation of
> each 1/2 beam for characters and symbols selected as a
> transmitter, or reads the polarity of those you have
> as a reciever. Perhaps an unjammable and undetectable
> communications device with no range limits? Beats
> VHF! I'll let you build the detector.
>
> Second point: If we replace the cat in the box with a
> scientist and give the outside observer scientist a
> gun, I bet we can determine if the scientist in the
> box is alive or dead within a shot or 2 without
> opening the box..... The boxed scientist will either
> scream, or not..... I just like cats... ;-) And not
> uncertainty.....
>
> Third, if gravity is such a problem to the unified
> field theory.... Do you notice that we don't really
> need any gravity in 4 dimensional space? Inertia will
> explain the observed effects, if time is considered.
> Accelleration requires a time component.
>
> All except you can still have "gravity waves" as in
> the unfolding of space-time, if mass is converted to
> energy. But I think the 3 remaining forces can do the
> whole job by themselves if we just recognize that we
> have time enertia too.
>
> Or am I just pulling your strings? :-) After all, I
> am just a KitFox driver. ;-)
>
> OK, everybody got that? There will be a test....
>
> Kurt S.
>
> Do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall Sound insulation kit |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
This is a good point, I think.
I attended an EAA meeting in Livermore, CA when I was building there and
they had a sound engineer come for a discussion on noise control. What came
out of it is that the only thing that will significantly attenuate noise is
mass. for example the firewall will absorb noise, begin to vibrate and then
become a radiator of noise into the cockpit. A light weight blanket or what
ever on the firewall will just add one more layer of vibrating material.
His suggestion, tongue in cheek, was to make the firewall out of lead or
maybe concrete if you really want to reduce noise.
The value of the blanket is there, however, as it will absorbe some of the
higher frequency noise that tends to be reflected around inside the
cockpit - something like the effect of carpet and upholstered furnature in a
room.
In a light weight sound absorbing material he said the best was foam similar
to Temperfoam, found in expensive seat cushions. It has a syrupy
consistency which doesn't transmit sound as well. He suggested it have a
thin aluminum barrier on one side. At the time I found ACS had such a
product and I put it on my forewall. How does it work? It went on fine -
it is self adhesive, but I don't have a clue if it does any good as my
experience in other Kitfoxes is minimal at best.
It would probably be great lining an aluminum airplane such as a Vans which
it seems could be like sitting in an old Victrola horn.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan & Linda Daniels" <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 8:36 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Firewall Sound insulation kit
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels
> <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
>
> How much does the blanket weigh. Is it worth it to drag it to altitude
> every flight. I find most of the noise comes from the prop on the
> windshield and other air noise. Some installations need it for heat, but
> I am not sure it makes much difference for noise. I used one on my first
> project, not on the rest. Just something to think about.
>
> Dan Billingsley wrote:
>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dan Billingsley
>><dan@azshowersolutions.com>
>>
>>Richard, I have heard the same thing concerning oil accumulation and then
>>becoming a fire hazard if the blanket is mounted on the engine side. Has
>>anyone here mounted it to the inside? Is there enough room without
>>interfering with the rudder/brake pedals?
>> Dan B
>> Mesa, AZ
>> www.azshowersolutions.com/Kitfox1.html
>>
>>Richard Rabbers <rira1950@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Richard Rabbers"
>>
>>My model 1 had sound insulation glued to the engine side of the firewall.
>>An A&P commented regarding the hazard of oil or other flammable
>>accumulation (also hard to clean) and suggested it would be better to
>>mount on the rear(passenger)side.
>>
>>The 'sandwich' method would work but add the weight of the second aluminum
>>skin.
>>
>>I plan to mount insulation on the back side of my firewall.
>>
>>--------
>>Richard in SW Michigan
>>Model 1 / 618 - full-lotus floats (restoration)
>>
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>>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=28667#28667
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfoxers...Alcohol and Gasoline!!! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Ted,
Unless something is new at Rotax, the only thing they have addressed is the
alcohol in the two stroke engines - something about the affects of the
ethanol on the oil in fuel/oil mixture and degradation of engine
lubrication.
I resloshed one tank because of pinhole leaks that developed after 4 years
of flying, but that was before the ethanol issue surfaced. I don't really
want to do that again, but am vigilant about the tell tale signs.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "flier" <flier@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 8:56 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitfoxers...Alcohol and Gasoline!!!
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" <flier@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Personally I'm pretty concerned. I've never had issues getting alcohol
> free
> gas in the past but nearly every pump has already been labeled with the
> 'up
> to 10% ethanol' notice. There's still MTBE based fuel at the pumps
> (although I'm testing now) but won't be long before we'll all have to do
> something with our tanks and engines. Has anyone spoken with the Rotax
> service folks? I'm wondering what they have to say about our 912's?
>
> This could end up being pretty extensive & expensive!
>
> Regards,
>
> Ted
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of kurt
> schrader
> Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2006 9:36 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitfoxers...Alcohol and Gasoline!!!
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
> <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>
> There are alcohol resistant slosh materials out now
> and I used one when doing my tanks a few years back.
> Changed out my fuel hoses too. But I still have a
> carb that will corrode from alcohol use, and probably
> a few other components like "O" rings to watch too.
> Wonder about the aluminum fuel lines with alcohol...
> Corrosion? I understand it is because of how much
> water alcohol can hold?
>
> It was the Brizialian government that tried to convert
> the country to alcohol expecting to lead the U.S. and
> sell products to us that way. But we didn't change
> and the Brazilian government dropped the program
> stranding motorists with alcohol only cars to be
> converted back to dual use. They are unhappy about it
> because they had to pay for it.
>
> But then FedEx started Zip mail and went bust with it
> years ago. Now known as e-mail, it seems to work OK.
>
> Some just get ahead of their time...
>
> Kurt S.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Cameron Park Fly-in |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Hi, John,
Your acquisition of Kitfox was the final push I needed to have at least one
more Cameron Park fly-in and I have just about convinced Kay to go along
with it one more time. Traditionally I have had ours on the second Saturday
in June which this year would be on the 10th. I was wondering what your
plans are for the Golden State EAA fly-in. It is scheduled for June 9 to
11. It would be nice to have you here also, sort of like a one on one with
the existing fleet.
Golden West has never contacted me personally, but have sent message round
about that they would like my help in steering Kitfoxes there way. The
thought occurred to me to offer a place to stay for those wanting to
participate in a group flight to Golden West on Sunday the 11th. The
accommodations would be meager consisting of sleeping bag space either in
the hangar, the house or the back yard (I'll even turn off the sprinklers)
with shower facilities in the morning and a light breakfast. If it fits
your plans, would you be interested in leading such a flight?
Hope things are progressing as you have planned. I can only imagine the
things you have on your mind.
Lowell
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| Subject: | Re: Cameron Park Fly-in |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Sorry John and folks, this was supposed to be direct to John.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 10:38 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Cameron Park Fly-in
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Hi, John,
>
> Your acquisition of Kitfox was the final push I needed to have at least
> one
> more Cameron Park fly-in and I have just about convinced Kay to go along
> with it one more time. Traditionally I have had ours on the second
> Saturday
> in June which this year would be on the 10th. I was wondering what your
> plans are for the Golden State EAA fly-in. It is scheduled for June 9 to
> 11. It would be nice to have you here also, sort of like a one on one
> with
> the existing fleet.
>
> Golden West has never contacted me personally, but have sent message round
> about that they would like my help in steering Kitfoxes there way. The
> thought occurred to me to offer a place to stay for those wanting to
> participate in a group flight to Golden West on Sunday the 11th. The
> accommodations would be meager consisting of sleeping bag space either in
> the hangar, the house or the back yard (I'll even turn off the sprinklers)
> with shower facilities in the morning and a light breakfast. If it fits
> your plans, would you be interested in leading such a flight?
>
> Hope things are progressing as you have planned. I can only imagine the
> things you have on your mind.
>
> Lowell
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: off topic: Languages |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clem Nichols" <cnichols@scrtc.com>
Yes, and that porcine creature from which is made prosciutto is also a hawg.
Clem Nichols
Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "kurt schrader" <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2006 9:20 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: off topic: Languages
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
> <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>
> Oh I see Michel,
>
> I too must have missed something between the two of
> us, but your reference to WW II cleared it up. ;-)
>
> Continuing with this fun, off topic, language
> trivia....
>
> One of our New York papers did a check of how many
> different words they used in the publication of a
> daily paper and came up with only about 600. A lot
> could be said about that! However, reporters
> apparently are the ones least likely to say it.
>
> In the U.S., as you referred to when talking about how
> we write, (right?) we use a much more limited
> vocabulary then was common in the past. (Except for
> technology words) For example, I was just looking the
> word "rhythm" up to check my spelling and had to type
> "cadence" and cross check it because the computer had
> no idea of what I was spelling? Nor did I apparently.
> So then....
>
> Sentence structure, rhythm and tone were better taught
> years ago in my opinion. Discipline in school was
> important then and stressed as the "three R's". Did
> Reading wRighting and aRithmatic as R's mess with our
> spelling?
>
> If you read "Lost Horizons" you get a much better use
> of the English language than you see in most books and
> every newspaper today. It is a joy to read, even
> though it is a story of perfection only for those who
> lived at the top of the food chain in a class society.
> There is a mastery of language in that book.
>
> Of course, that is a British book and not U.S. We
> remain "two countries divided by a common language",
> as Churchill said.
>
> "When in the course of human events...." signed back
> on July 4th, 1776, was written in only three days. It
> showed that some people could write a declarative
> document of such importance, starting with one phrase
> of so few that said so much, and kept it all to one
> page. Who could write so effectively today?
>
> Did you know that Daniel Webster learned 22 languages
> while writing the first U.S. English dictionary?
> Before that, you spelled words according to how they
> sounded when you spoke them. Your regional dialect
> was evident, such as when Daniel Boone wrote about his
> dawg! (That is Kentucky talk for dog)
>
> Next?
>
> Kurt S.
>
> Do not archive
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall Sound insulation kit |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bradley M Webb" <bmwebb@cox.net>
Amen to that! A friend's Mustang 2 vibrates like crazy, especially during
taxi. That "horn" behind you really acts like a trumpet.
On my bird, a sheet of stainless steel (thin), with a crushed wool pad
(1/4)" on the backside and fireproof paint on the front would be about as
good as anything. Great fire protection, some noise help, and lightweight.
I think the best investment would be a set of good ANR headsets.
Surprisingly, my problem is not the motor, rather the brake calipers
chattering on landing rollout with the knobby tires. The FBO mgr said it
sounds like the thing is coming apart when I land.
Great excuse to only use grass, eh?
Bradley
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt
Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Firewall Sound insulation kit
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
<snip>
It would probably be great lining an aluminum airplane such as a Vans which
it seems could be like sitting in an old Victrola horn.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan & Linda Daniels" <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 8:36 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Firewall Sound insulation kit
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels
> <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
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> How much does the blanket weigh. Is it worth it to drag it to altitude
> every flight. I find most of the noise comes from the prop on the
> windshield and other air noise. Some installations need it for heat, but
> I am not sure it makes much difference for noise. I used one on my first
> project, not on the rest. Just something to think about.
>
> Dan Billingsley wrote:
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>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dan Billingsley
>><dan@azshowersolutions.com>
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>>Richard, I have heard the same thing concerning oil accumulation and then
>>becoming a fire hazard if the blanket is mounted on the engine side. Has
>>anyone here mounted it to the inside? Is there enough room without
>>interfering with the rudder/brake pedals?
>> Dan B
>> Mesa, AZ
>> www.azshowersolutions.com/Kitfox1.html
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>>Richard Rabbers <rira1950@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Richard Rabbers"
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>>My model 1 had sound insulation glued to the engine side of the firewall.
>>An A&P commented regarding the hazard of oil or other flammable
>>accumulation (also hard to clean) and suggested it would be better to
>>mount on the rear(passenger)side.
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>>The 'sandwich' method would work but add the weight of the second aluminum
>>skin.
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>>I plan to mount insulation on the back side of my firewall.
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>>Richard in SW Michigan
>>Model 1 / 618 - full-lotus floats (restoration)
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>>Read this topic online here:
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>>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=28667#28667
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan & Linda Daniels <aldaniels@fmtc.com>
I am looking for an O-235 engine and firewall forward kit for a model 5
for a friend. If anyone has a spare please contact me off list. New or
used. I have the cowls, I just need the rest, but would buy the cowls as
part of the package.
Thanks
Alan
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
Well Herbert re your posting on Ethanol in our fuel. I also have a Blue Head 582.
I used to race Karts and we used Methanol in some classes of racing and I know
the result in a 2 stroke. I also used 10% alchohol in petrol in in a 5 litre
Chevy in my Hydroplane at one stage when racing fuel was not available for
a short period here in Australia.
In the Hydro the only trouble was a hell of a white mess to constantly clean
out of the Holley carb but in a 2 stroke it is very bad news indeed. It absobs
moisture and causes pin spots of rust on the needle bearings so that they soon
fail. A big improvement was able to be made by runnining our motors for 5 minutes
on straight petrol and mineral oil after the race meeting. Synthetic oil
although a very good lubricant also absorbs moisture. While it is in a warm motor
the moisture just evaporates and all is fine but left standing it is a problem.
This is why you can buy a mineral/synthetic mix.
Also note to run our motors after the meeting on petrol we had to screw in our
adjustable carby jets as a motor needs 3 times the flow on alchohol as petrol.
I wasn't really aware of the problem with the alchohol and fibreglass tanks but
obviously this is another aspect that is a problem. Also the aluminium fuel
lines and seals.
Trying to run Avgas in our 2 strokes is not good news either due to the lead.
It seems to me that our 2 strokes days are numbered and there will be the other
issues as well that apply even with a 4 stroke replacing our 2 strokes like
the aluminium fuel lines. I guess there will be some answer re that white corrosion
build up in the carby if we are all going to get this junk fuel in our
cars [ perhaps plastic carbs like on some lawn mowers ] but I for one find it
all a very big worry and my 582 is still only about 100 hours.
Perhaps with more discussion we can solve some problems but I can't see we can
solve them all. We used to run our Kart motors on petrol at the end of a meeting
to clear the alchohol and synthetic oil but we won't even have this option
with our planes because where will we get the straight petrol to do it.
The last thing we want is problems with our engine in the air. It's bad enough
on the ground. It would be nice if avgas without the lead came on the market
to solve the problem but the 4 stroke guys want it and there is not enough fuel
used by us 2 strokers to warrant it.
Rex
Australia
MKIV Kitfox
582
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