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1. 02:44 AM - Re: Budget hangar door ideas? (Ceashman@aol.com)
2. 02:59 AM - Re: Wing strut (Ceashman@aol.com)
3. 03:44 AM - Re: Re: Budget hangar door ideas? (Jim Burke)
4. 03:55 AM - Re: 582 EGT Survey (Jim Burke)
5. 04:05 AM - Re: Re: Budget hangar door ideas? (Fox5flyer)
6. 04:12 AM - Re: 582 EGT Survey (Bradley M Webb)
7. 04:12 AM - Re: Budget hangar door ideas? (Bradley M Webb)
8. 04:17 AM - Re: Data Plate (Bradley M Webb)
9. 04:25 AM - Re: 582 EGT Survey (Fox5flyer)
10. 05:42 AM - Re: 582 EGT Survey (Algate)
11. 05:47 AM - Re: Low speed setting 582 (Algate)
12. 06:51 AM - Re: Data Plate (Wayne @ Engravers.net)
13. 07:17 AM - Re: 582 EGT Survey (Napier, Mark)
14. 08:42 AM - Re: Wing strut (clemwehner)
15. 08:52 AM - Re: Low speed setting 582 (Fox5flyer)
16. 08:53 AM - Re: Data Plate (Fox5flyer)
17. 08:56 AM - Re: Wing strut (ron schick)
18. 09:10 AM - Re: Wing strut (Richard Rabbers)
19. 09:19 AM - Re: Data Plate (Lynn Matteson)
20. 10:35 AM - Re: Wing strut (flier)
21. 01:26 PM - Re: 582 EGT Survey (Fox5flyer)
22. 03:13 PM - Re: Re: Budget hangar door ideas? (Grant Fluent)
23. 04:22 PM - Re: Re: Budget hangar door ideas? (Fox5flyer)
24. 06:31 PM - Re: Data Plate (Guy Buchanan)
25. 07:41 PM - 532 header tank ask deke (Malcolmbru@aol.com)
26. 11:42 PM - Re: Wing strut (QSS)
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| Subject: | Re: Budget hangar door ideas? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Ceashman@aol.com
message from; Jeremy Casey
>Food for thought...the translucent wavy panels let more light in...which
>means more UV exposure for the fabric. Heck it might decrease the life
>of your fabric by .7 minutes.
Hi Jeremy.
Who knows, the translucent panels may filter the UV radiation from entering
the hangar interior. But if not, there still are three walls and a roof to
protect from UV and that means there will be shadow/shade on the aircraft for most
of the day. Most clear roofing material has UV blockers to allow longevity of
the roof material. Otherwise the panel would degrade after a very short time.
If you consider building a hangar and you have the freedom to position it at
the airport, I think it best to have the opening facing north, north/east, for
us folks in the hot South. That way you will not get the full effect of the
afternoon sun warming the hanger contents even higher with Infra Red and sun
tanning you and the aircraft fabric with Ultra Violet
>I'm just thinking out loud so don't call me bad names...I also once read
>that florescent lights were as bad as sunlight as far as UV goes...don't
>have any reference to back that up either.
There is no UV radiation emitted from normal florescent lamps. Of course, you
can buy florescent lamps that do emit UV. These are used in tanning salons.
Cheers Eric, Atlanta
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Ceashman@aol.com
Hi Guys, I need some help with info about the welded threaded bolt attached
to the wing strut end. I need to replace them and Im not sure how to go about
it. As there such a critical part Im not prepared to just weld a bolt on and
hope for the best. Can anyone share their thoughts as to how to do this please.
Thanks
Graeme
My thought is; as this is one of your two sky hooks, I would make sure that
it is hooked firmly.
1/ maybe contact the new Kitfox and find out what the waiting time is for a
new strut. Do not worry about the cost, your life depends on it!
2/ find a licensed weldor, someone who knows the fine art of welding and
understands metals. But then again, if he asks what this triangular thing is for
and you answer "it holds my plane to the wing in the sky" He could be reluctant
to do the job unless he is a darn good qualified licensed professional or an
idiot.
The good thing is, if you ask him for his qualifications, there is no diploma
that shows him as an idiot.
Cheers Eric.
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| Subject: | Re: Budget hangar door ideas? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Burke <jeburke94je@direcway.com>
Grant, I am building hanger doors this summer and would be interested in
your plans.
Thanks in advance,
Jim
jeburke94je@direcway.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Grant Fluent" <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 8:24 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Budget hangar door ideas?
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
>
> Hi,
> I have some bi-fold door info if you're interested.
> My local EAA Chapter had planned at one time to build
> a hanger and since I do mechanical
> designing/engineering for a living, I did the plans
> for the building and the door. I looked at about half
> a dozen different doors at a few airports and drew
> what I needed on the computer.
> Grant Fluent
> Newcastle, NE
> Classic IV 912ULS
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 582 EGT Survey |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Burke <jeburke94je@direcway.com>
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From: "Larry Martin" <CrownLJ@verizon.net>
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 11:14 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: 582 EGT Survey
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <CrownLJ@verizon.net>
>
> 1. What egt do you like to see at cruise? 1100-1125
>
> 2. Do you tolerate seeing an occasional transitory increase to or
> beyond 1200? NO
>
> 3. What is your max acceptable egt at anytime/duration? 1175
>
> 4. How low of a temp do you accept? 1050
>
> 5. What temperature variation (range) do you accept? 50
>
> Have you personally seen, or have evidence to support your comfort
> levels? Over 2 years I useed the automatic and manual High altitude
> adjustment system. Very low carbon build up in 100 hours.
>
> Jim, N94JE
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Budget hangar door ideas? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Grant, I think it would be ideal if you could upload these plans to
Sportflight.com for the archives. Everyone can benefit, even if it might be
years later. Just send them to Don Pearsall <donpearsall@comcast.net>,
Kitfox List co-administrator, and he'll take care of the rest. Might be
best to contact him first with instructions.
Deke Morisse
List administrator
----- Original Message -----
From: "Grant Fluent" <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 8:24 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Budget hangar door ideas?
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
>
> Hi,
> I have some bi-fold door info if you're interested.
> My local EAA Chapter had planned at one time to build
> a hanger and since I do mechanical
> designing/engineering for a living, I did the plans
> for the building and the door. I looked at about half
> a dozen different doors at a few airports and drew
> what I needed on the computer.
> Grant Fluent
> Newcastle, NE
> Classic IV 912ULS
>
>
> --- wingnut <wingnut@spamarrest.com> wrote:
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut"
> > <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
> >
> > I might be interested in attempting to duplicate the
> > bifold idea with a good set of plans or even an
> > example to copy. Anyone in the Greenville, SC
> > vicinity with a bifold that I can examine?
> >
> > That UltimateDoor looks like it might be a good
> > option as well. Looks like it's made of wood which
> > is a plus since I've never done any welding. I guess
> > $35 for a set of plans is a safe bet just to see
> > some details of the lift mechanism.
> >
> > Thanks for the help guys.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> >
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=29250#29250
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > browse
> > Subscriptions page,
> > FAQ,
> > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List
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> > Admin.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bradley M Webb" <bmwebb@cox.net>
Here's mine: 582 Grey head, B-box, IVO 66. 6250 Max rpm, pod filters, Rotax
exhaust.
1> 1120-1150
2> Yes, but only on throttle back to ~4000rpm
3> ~1250 for a minute or so
4> cruise? 1000
5> Mine varies from 0 to 60. Suspect carbs not synch'd very well. Varies
with throttle setting. Cruise seems very close most of the time.
Bradley
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Burke
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 6:55 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 582 EGT Survey
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Burke <jeburke94je@direcway.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Martin" <CrownLJ@verizon.net>
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 11:14 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: 582 EGT Survey
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <CrownLJ@verizon.net>
>
> 1. What egt do you like to see at cruise? 1100-1125
>
> 2. Do you tolerate seeing an occasional transitory increase to or
> beyond 1200? NO
>
> 3. What is your max acceptable egt at anytime/duration? 1175
>
> 4. How low of a temp do you accept? 1050
>
> 5. What temperature variation (range) do you accept? 50
>
> Have you personally seen, or have evidence to support your comfort
> levels? Over 2 years I useed the automatic and manual High altitude
> adjustment system. Very low carbon build up in 100 hours.
>
> Jim, N94JE
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Budget hangar door ideas? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bradley M Webb" <bmwebb@cox.net>
LOL
Bradley
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Casey
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 10:24 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Budget hangar door ideas?
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeremy Casey" <n79rt@kilocharlie.us>
Better yet, sheet it with those wavy plastic panels, use for roofing, at
the
builders supply. It would be lighter, easy to repair, and let light in.
<snip>
Food for thought...the translucent wavy panels let more light in...which
means more UV exposure for the fabric. Heck it might decrease the life
of your fabric by .7 minutes.
I'm just thinking out loud so don't call me bad names...I also once read
that florescent lights were as bad as sunlight as far as UV goes...don't
have any reference to back that up either.
I keep my plane in a blacked out box and use night vision goggles to
move around it (big ;-)
Jeremy Casey
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bradley M Webb" <bmwebb@cox.net>
We just went through this on our Lancair. Personnaly, I'd fill out as much
as you can, simply because the next owner(s) might need the info years down
the road. EAA is correct, but if I bought your airplane, it would help to
have it all documented on the plate, and in the aircraft records.
IMHO, not keeping good records screws the next guy. It's screwed me on my M2
more than once. There's a lot he didn't write down.
But, the minimums per EAA are ok. I believe the data plate is mostly there
for wreck identification, in case of total loss.
Bradley
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Guy Buchanan
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 12:45 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Data Plate
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
All,
I've got a data plate from ACS which has all sorts of "extra"
information on it, such as Date of Mfg. Engine, H.P. Empty and Gross Wt.
Name and address of builder. I can fill it all out, excepting, of course,
the date of manufacture, but EAA thinks I only need the builder's name, the
model designation, and the serial number. Any reason I should or shouldn't
fill it all out?
Thanks,
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: 582 EGT Survey |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
You'll get lots of opinions on this one Larry. Egt gauges, thermocouple,
and wiring will mean temps are only approximate. My numbers below.
Deke
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <CrownLJ@verizon.net>
>
> 1. What egt do you like to see at cruise?
1200
>
> 2. Do you tolerate seeing an occasional transitory increase to or
> beyond 1200?
Yes, 1300 for very short duration
>
> 3. What is your max acceptable egt at anytime/duration?
1300
>
> 4. How low of a temp do you accept?
1100
>
> 5. What temperature variation (range) do you accept?
1100-1200
>
> Have you personally seen, or have evidence to support your comfort
> levels?
400 hours using those figures and engine went on to over 600 hours with new
owner before overhaul
582 B-box
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
Like others have noted EGT's really are only an indication due to
Inaccuracies and wiring variations. I still check my plugs to make sure
EGT's and plug color are in harmony.
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <CrownLJ@verizon.net>
>
> 1. What egt do you like to see at cruise?
1100 - 1150 (I Have in-flight adjustable prop so my EGT's vary with pitch)
>
> 2. Do you tolerate seeing an occasional transitory increase to or
> beyond 1200?
No - if I see the EGT's climb to 1200 when retarding the throttle I change
the throttle setting immediately or increase pitch to reduce EGT's
I have seen a friend seize his engine in flight on a long approach with
EGT's reading 1300. It all depends on accuracy of the gauges.
>
> 3. What is your max acceptable egt at anytime/duration?
1200
>
> 4. How low of a temp do you accept?
1050 - Once again when in coarse pitch this will lower EGT's - Even at this
rich setting I have never had to replace a plug due to carbon build up and
when my engine was re-built at 325 hrs there was no unusual build up in
cylinders or rings.
>
> 5. What temperature variation (range) do you accept?
Not sure what you mean here - do you mean between cylinders or average High
to low. My cylinder EGT's vary at WOT by up to 60 degrees depending on
ambient but in cruise they are pretty much in synch. Standard operating
range is normally 1100 - 1175
>
> Have you personally seen, or have evidence to support your comfort
> levels?
As stated above seeing my friend make a forced landing due to high EGT
reinforced my feelings as I have yet to see an engine stop suddenly due to
running below 1200. It's really not rocket science as Aluminum has a
pre-determined melting point and if you go beyond it you will have problems.
I really don't think the EGT's are remarkably accurate so I would prefer to
stay within the manufacturers recommended range. In another life I used to
tune Go-Kart engines and the biggest cause of engine failure was High EGT's
and piston seizure (They didn't run EGT gauges!)
My thoughts only - total time on Aircraft 2 stroke engines is 1000 hrs and
maximum interval between total overhaul has been 350 hrs. At overhaul time
there was no imminent failure problems noted but crank bearings were notably
loose and their was minor discoloration around little end of con-rod. Bob
Robertson (Light Engine Services) has carried out the last couple of
re-builds.
Gary Algate
Lite2/582
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| Subject: | Low speed setting 582 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
Gill
I have mine at around 1-1/4 but varying to 1 turn really doesn't make a lot
of difference. Carb synch helps a lot but even so mine still runs fairly
rough below 2,800 also (always has).
I have my throttle set so that I can reduce to max 1600 on the ground but
never do - I always warm up around 2800 and only really cut the throttle
fully when on approach. Then it idles up to around 2,000 due to airflow over
the prop. I never let it run below 2,000 as it is just too rough and puts
too much strain on things.
Gary A
Lite2/582
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gill Levesque
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 9:35 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Low speed setting 582
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Gill Levesque <canpilot03@yahoo.ca>
Hi All,
For the 582 pilots , Where have you got your low speed mix set? 1 Turn? 1
1/4 turn? Mine is set to 1 turn and seems ruff under 3000 rpm!
Gil Levesque
C-IGVL
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| From: | "Wayne @ Engravers.net" <wayne@engravers.net> |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Wayne @ Engravers.net" <wayne@engravers.net>
I've been marking data plates for years and have noticed two camps. One
group goes with the easiest flow, using the larger more readily available
data plate, while the other are minimalist going with the EAA data plate.
I've had a lot of questions about the legality of the smaller plates since
the larger ones are sold by everyone and the smaller ones are only through
the EAA to my knowledge. While at Sun N' Fun we asked the question to the
FAA and he* said the smaller EAA ones are all the information that was
needed.
* Remember that the FAA doesn't speak with one voice. Even when things are
written down they can and will be interpreted differently.
If there were a crash bad enough that the FAA needed that data plate to
identify your aircraft you won't have to be worry about it.
Wayne Cahoon
Aircraft Engravers
(860) 653-2780
(860) 653-7324 Fax
http://www.engravers.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bradley M Webb" <bmwebb@cox.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 7:16 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Data Plate
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bradley M Webb" <bmwebb@cox.net>
>
> We just went through this on our Lancair. Personnaly, I'd fill out as much
> as you can, simply because the next owner(s) might need the info years
> down
> the road. EAA is correct, but if I bought your airplane, it would help to
> have it all documented on the plate, and in the aircraft records.
>
> IMHO, not keeping good records screws the next guy. It's screwed me on my
> M2
> more than once. There's a lot he didn't write down.
>
> But, the minimums per EAA are ok. I believe the data plate is mostly there
> for wreck identification, in case of total loss.
>
> Bradley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Guy Buchanan
> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 12:45 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Data Plate
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
>
> All,
> I've got a data plate from ACS which has all sorts of "extra"
> information on it, such as Date of Mfg. Engine, H.P. Empty and Gross Wt.
> Name and address of builder. I can fill it all out, excepting, of course,
> the date of manufacture, but EAA thinks I only need the builder's name,
> the
> model designation, and the serial number. Any reason I should or shouldn't
> fill it all out?
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Guy Buchanan
> K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | RE: 582 EGT Survey |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Napier, Mark" <Mark.Napier@sciatl.com>
Hey Larry,
Keep the EGT's between 1050 and 1150. 1200 is red-line. Now with
alcohol in the fuel the risk of detonation with stale fuel is very real.
Higher EGT esp. at full throttle raise that risk.
After flying for a while I bought the HacMan mixture control. It does
work and I routinely climb up to 9 or 10 thousand if the winds favor it
for a cross country and still keep the EGT's around 1100. Better still
you can twist it to richen the mixture to descend with power. Before I
had to pull power way back and bring the airspeed down to around 60 mph
to keep the EGT's low.
Only change I made to the HacMan was to put a 1/16" orifice in the line
coming from the air-cleaner. That made the adjustment more sensitive
but more effective. I do have to keep a close eye on the EGT and err on
the rich side esp. on take off. Detonation will cause the pistons to
expand in the bores and lock up just like a cold seizure.
I've had more trouble keeping the EGT's high enough on the ground at low
power settings so that the plugs wouldn't foul. I'm now running 45's
for idle jets with a couple of turns out on the mixture screws. That
meant going to the next larger size of needle jet to compensate for the
lower mid range mixture. The idle is very smooth now and low enough
that the plane doesn't "float" so much on landing. Even so, I still can
foul the plugs if I have to do a lot of taxing at a big airport.
FWIW,
Mark Napier
Time: 08:17:18 PM PST US
From: "Larry Martin" <CrownLJ@verizon.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: 582 EGT Survey
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <CrownLJ@verizon.net>
1. What egt do you like to see at cruise?
2. Do you tolerate seeing an occasional transitory increase to or
beyond 1200?
3. What is your max acceptable egt at anytime/duration?
4. How low of a temp do you accept?
5. What temperature variation (range) do you accept?
Have you personally seen, or have evidence to support your comfort
levels?
Thanks,
Larry
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "clemwehner" <clemwehner@sbcglobal.net>
Graeme,
My answer won't help you much, but I had new bolts welded into my lift
struts. I discovered two of them bent during the construction of the
airplane. I sent the struts back to Skystar and they welded new bolts
in. The welded job was beautiful and barely even damaged the wooden
fairing around it. I've showed the welded repair to my son who races pro
race cars and is also a welder. He says the racing community use many
similar parts with welded rod ends. He said he has never seen them fail
and that they are extremely strong if welded properly. He was impressed
by the welding of the Skystar guy.
I haven't flown with them yet, so I have no actual data to offer you. I
thought about new lift struts but realized that rod ends would be welded
into the tubes on a new one also, no different from the repaired one.
If I were you, I'd get an aircraft welder to do it and get a second
opinion about the finished work. That's really about all you can do. I
don't think it's any different than new lift struts with welded rod
ends.
Like with everything else in the airplane you have to weigh the risk vs.
the benefit.
Clem
KF-IV
Lawton, OK
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Ceashman@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 4:58 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wing strut
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Ceashman@aol.com
Hi Guys, I need some help with info about the welded threaded bolt
attached
to the wing strut end. I need to replace them and Im not sure how to go
about
it. As there such a critical part Im not prepared to just weld a bolt on
and
hope for the best. Can anyone share their thoughts as to how to do this
please.
Thanks
Graeme
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| Subject: | Re: Low speed setting 582 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Often a new set of idle jets will fix the problem. They generally run too
rich with the originals. They're a bit pricey, but effective.
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: "Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 8:49 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Low speed setting 582
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
>
> Gill
>
> I have mine at around 1-1/4 but varying to 1 turn really doesn't make a
lot
> of difference. Carb synch helps a lot but even so mine still runs fairly
> rough below 2,800 also (always has).
>
> I have my throttle set so that I can reduce to max 1600 on the ground but
> never do - I always warm up around 2800 and only really cut the throttle
> fully when on approach. Then it idles up to around 2,000 due to airflow
over
> the prop. I never let it run below 2,000 as it is just too rough and puts
> too much strain on things.
>
> Gary A
> Lite2/582
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gill Levesque
> Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 9:35 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Low speed setting 582
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Gill Levesque <canpilot03@yahoo.ca>
>
> Hi All,
>
> For the 582 pilots , Where have you got your low speed mix set? 1 Turn?
1
> 1/4 turn? Mine is set to 1 turn and seems ruff under 3000 rpm!
> Gil Levesque
> C-IGVL
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
The DEA likes lots of information on them so after they shoot you out of the
sky they can figure out who you are (were).
:-)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne @ Engravers.net" <wayne@engravers.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 9:48 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Data Plate
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Wayne @ Engravers.net"
<wayne@engravers.net>
>
> I've been marking data plates for years and have noticed two camps. One
> group goes with the easiest flow, using the larger more readily available
> data plate, while the other are minimalist going with the EAA data plate.
> I've had a lot of questions about the legality of the smaller plates since
> the larger ones are sold by everyone and the smaller ones are only through
> the EAA to my knowledge. While at Sun N' Fun we asked the question to the
> FAA and he* said the smaller EAA ones are all the information that was
> needed.
>
> * Remember that the FAA doesn't speak with one voice. Even when things are
> written down they can and will be interpreted differently.
>
> If there were a crash bad enough that the FAA needed that data plate to
> identify your aircraft you won't have to be worry about it.
>
>
> Wayne Cahoon
> Aircraft Engravers
> (860) 653-2780
> (860) 653-7324 Fax
> http://www.engravers.net
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bradley M Webb" <bmwebb@cox.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 7:16 AM
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Data Plate
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bradley M Webb" <bmwebb@cox.net>
> >
> > We just went through this on our Lancair. Personnaly, I'd fill out as
much
> > as you can, simply because the next owner(s) might need the info years
> > down
> > the road. EAA is correct, but if I bought your airplane, it would help
to
> > have it all documented on the plate, and in the aircraft records.
> >
> > IMHO, not keeping good records screws the next guy. It's screwed me on
my
> > M2
> > more than once. There's a lot he didn't write down.
> >
> > But, the minimums per EAA are ok. I believe the data plate is mostly
there
> > for wreck identification, in case of total loss.
> >
> > Bradley
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Guy
Buchanan
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 12:45 AM
> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Kitfox-List: Data Plate
> >
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
> >
> > All,
> > I've got a data plate from ACS which has all sorts of "extra"
> > information on it, such as Date of Mfg. Engine, H.P. Empty and Gross Wt.
> > Name and address of builder. I can fill it all out, excepting, of
course,
> > the date of manufacture, but EAA thinks I only need the builder's name,
> > the
> > model designation, and the serial number. Any reason I should or
shouldn't
> > fill it all out?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> >
> > Guy Buchanan
> > K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
> >
> >
> >
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
Hi Graeme. The threaded portion is factory welded so I'm sure it can be
replaced. To avoid a lot of headache I would buy the end from the
manufacurer and have it welded according to their proccess. John Mcbean
should have the parts available under sportplane llc or whatever the new
Kitfox will be called. Ron NB Ore
>From: "QSS" <msm@byterocky.net>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Wing strut
>Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 14:19:18 +1000
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "QSS" <msm@byterocky.net>
>
>Hi Guys, I need some help with info about the welded threaded bolt attached
>to the wing strut end. I need to replace them and Im not sure how to go
>about it. As there such a critical part Im not prepared to just weld a bolt
>on and hope for the best. Can anyone share their thoughts as to how to do
>this please.
>
>Thanks
>Graeme
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Richard Rabbers" <rira1950@yahoo.com>
> such a critical part
I don't know the 'exact process of attachement beyond rosette weld... If I was
to design this critical part, I might consider mechanical AND weld connection.
If it is possible maybe a combination of 'thread' and weld or 'pin' and weld.
My factory welds look good - I believe this topic has come up before. If I recall
correctly.... there is no major history of failure. I hope that's correct.
--------
Richard in SW Michigan
Model 1 / 618 - full-lotus floats (restoration)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=29430#29430
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Hey Deke, that's the second (at least) reference that you've made to
the DEA...folks are gonna begin to wonder what goes on in the upper
half of the lower... : )
Lynn
Kitfox IV...Jabiru 2200
On Wednesday, April 19, 2006, at 11:52 AM, Fox5flyer wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer"
> <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>
> The DEA likes lots of information on them so after they shoot you out
> of the
> sky they can figure out who you are (were).
> :-)
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" <FLIER@sbcglobal.net>
Those 'bolts' are actually AN fittings that slide
into the end of the liftstrut and are rosette welded.
The rosette weld allows the load to be properly
transmitted to the strut tube as opposed to the weld
alone.
My advice would be to find out the AN part number of
the fitting, have the old one carefully removed
(which may require shortening the strut), have the
new one competently welded, then do a die penetrant
test to the end of the strut.
Regards,
Ted
--- Original Message ---
From: "clemwehner" <clemwehner@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Wing strut
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "clemwehner"
<clemwehner@sbcglobal.net>
>
>
>Graeme,
>
>My answer won't help you much, but I had new bolts
welded into my lift
>struts. I discovered two of them bent during the
construction of the
>airplane. I sent the struts back to Skystar and they
welded new bolts
>in. The welded job was beautiful and barely even
damaged the wooden
>fairing around it. I've showed the welded repair to
my son who races pro
>race cars and is also a welder. He says the racing
community use many
>similar parts with welded rod ends. He said he has
never seen them fail
>and that they are extremely strong if welded
properly. He was impressed
>by the welding of the Skystar guy.
>
>I haven't flown with them yet, so I have no actual
data to offer you. I
>thought about new lift struts but realized that rod
ends would be welded
>into the tubes on a new one also, no different from
the repaired one.
>
>If I were you, I'd get an aircraft welder to do it
and get a second
>opinion about the finished work. That's really about
all you can do. I
>don't think it's any different than new lift struts
with welded rod
>ends.
>
>Like with everything else in the airplane you have
to weigh the risk vs.
>the benefit.
>
>Clem
>KF-IV
>Lawton, OK
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On
Behalf Of
>Ceashman@aol.com
>Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 4:58 AM
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wing strut
>
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Ceashman@aol.com
>
>Hi Guys, I need some help with info about the welded
threaded bolt
>attached
>to the wing strut end. I need to replace them and Im
not sure how to go
>about
>it. As there such a critical part Im not prepared to
just weld a bolt on
>and
>hope for the best. Can anyone share their thoughts
as to how to do this
>please.
>
>Thanks
>Graeme
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 582 EGT Survey |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Aha! Another one that may generate some different techniques. Good question.
Generally accepted is to look for a medium tan to light brown color at the plug.
This is when the mixture is burning most efficiently. A shade either way is
acceptable, but be careful with lighter shades as it can get too lean and possibly
cause damage to the piston or cylinder walls. Now, how do we accomplish
this? Well, some folks just go flying for awhile, land, taxi back, pull the
cowls, plugs, then read 'em. The problem with this is that by the time you get
taxiied back the reading is corrupted because what you were looking for was
cruise color and by the time you get back to the hangar it'll be all changed.
Back when I used to race motocross we would go out and ride the crap out of it
then suddenly pull the clutch while hitting the kill switch. Then right there
on the spot we'd pull the plug for a look.
You can do this in the airplane too, but be careful. A good way is to fly at cruise
power for about 30+ minutes then fly back to the airport and right over
the runway (still at cruise power) chop it. I mean kill the engine. Then just
dead stick it in, pull over to the side of the runway and pull your plugs.
This all sounds pretty drastic and a bit risky, but if you want to know what your
plugs are really looking like, I can't think of any other way of doing it.
Let the flames begin. :-)
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Martin
To: Fox5flyer
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 12:57 PM
Subject: Re: 582 EGT Survey
Thanks for the quick reply. I just tried to reread my message to you. I had
so many typing mistakes, that I'm surprised that you knew what I was talking
about.
I live in Chicago area, so have the varying temps as well. I have a fixed
pitch prop so it is perfect 1 or 3 times a year. What method do you use to "read"
the plug? How long at a given EGT does it need to run to be valid, etc?
I certain appreciate and experience that you can pass on. At times I tend to
be an the anal side; if it says 1200, then it has to be 1200 and not 1225 or
what ever. I need to get over that sort of thing, and replace it with experience
and knowledge.
Thanks again,
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: Fox5flyer
To: Larry Martin
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 10:46 AM
Subject: Re: 582 EGT Survey
You're welcome Larry. My numbers were just what came from the EGT gauge with
no corrections. EGT readings can be so variable that it wasn't worth trying
to calibrate. 95 percent of my setup for the jets and adjustments came from
plug readings which IMHO are the most important. Here in NE MI temps vary widely
throughout the year and I had to change jetting and prop pitch about 3 times
a year to maintain good efficient mixture. The EGTs only gave me someting
to watch during flight.
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Martin
To: morid@northland.lib.mi.us
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 8:43 AM
Subject: Re: 582 EGT Survey
Thanks Deke,
Quite true. I have not found anything consistant expect that the range
is anywhere from 1050 and above. Are your ststed temps corrected to the limitations
of the EGT system. (Westach is only valid at 70F without a correction)?
You seem to be the armest of anyone yet.
Thanks for sharing,
Larry
You'll get lots of opinions on this one Larry. Egt gauges, thermocouple,
and wiring will mean temps are only approximate. My numbers below.
Deke
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <CrownLJ@verizon.net>
>
> 1. What egt do you like to see at cruise?
1200
>
> 2. Do you tolerate seeing an occasional transitory increase to or
> beyond 1200?
Yes, 1300 for very short duration
>
> 3. What is your max acceptable egt at anytime/duration?
1300
>
> 4. How low of a temp do you accept?
1100
>
> 5. What temperature variation (range) do you accept?
1100-1200
>
> Have you personally seen, or have evidence to support your comfort
> levels?
400 hours using those figures and engine went on to over 600 hours with new
owner before overhaul
582 B-box
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| Subject: | Re: Budget hangar door ideas? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
Deke,
Posting the bi-fold door info on Sportflight sounds
like a good idea. After sending the message I realized
that the door was drawn in Autocad but that I hadn't
made the drawings for the door - just the building.
That really isn't a big deal because the drawings
wouldn't take long to do.
What I could do is take what I have and make a
generic example that would work for most planes with a
36' wingspan or less. I could also include a little
writeup so that a person can calculate the amount of
counterweight needed and safety things such as not to
use cable clamps on plastic coated cable, etc...
Grant Fluent
Newcastle, NE
Classic IV 912ULS
--- Fox5flyer <morid@northland.lib.mi.us> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer"
> <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>
> Grant, I think it would be ideal if you could upload
> these plans to
> Sportflight.com for the archives. Everyone can
> benefit, even if it might be
> years later. Just send them to Don Pearsall
> <donpearsall@comcast.net>,
> Kitfox List co-administrator, and he'll take care of
> the rest. Might be
> best to contact him first with instructions.
> Deke Morisse
> List administrator
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Grant Fluent" <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 8:24 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Budget hangar door
> ideas?
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent
> <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
> >
> > Hi,
> > I have some bi-fold door info if you're
> interested.
> > My local EAA Chapter had planned at one time to
> build
> > a hanger and since I do mechanical
> > designing/engineering for a living, I did the
> plans
> > for the building and the door. I looked at about
> half
> > a dozen different doors at a few airports and drew
> > what I needed on the computer.
> > Grant Fluent
> > Newcastle, NE
> > Classic IV 912ULS
> >
> >
> > --- wingnut <wingnut@spamarrest.com> wrote:
> >
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut"
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> > >
> > > I might be interested in attempting to duplicate
> the
> > > bifold idea with a good set of plans or even an
> > > example to copy. Anyone in the Greenville, SC
> > > vicinity with a bifold that I can examine?
> > >
> > > That UltimateDoor looks like it might be a good
> > > option as well. Looks like it's made of wood
> which
> > > is a plus since I've never done any welding. I
> guess
> > > $35 for a set of plans is a safe bet just to see
> > > some details of the lift mechanism.
> > >
> > > Thanks for the help guys.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Read this topic online here:
> > >
> > >
> >
>
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| Subject: | Re: Budget hangar door ideas? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
That would be great Grant. I'm sure many of us would like to have a look at
it and by being in the archives future hangar builders can benefit.
Deke
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
>
> Deke,
> Posting the bi-fold door info on Sportflight sounds
> like a good idea. After sending the message I realized
> that the door was drawn in Autocad but that I hadn't
> made the drawings for the door - just the building.
> That really isn't a big deal because the drawings
> wouldn't take long to do.
> What I could do is take what I have and make a
> generic example that would work for most planes with a
> 36' wingspan or less. I could also include a little
> writeup so that a person can calculate the amount of
> counterweight needed and safety things such as not to
> use cable clamps on plastic coated cable, etc...
>
> Grant Fluent
> Newcastle, NE
> Classic IV 912ULS
>
>
> --- Fox5flyer <morid@northland.lib.mi.us> wrote:
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer"
> > <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
> >
> > Grant, I think it would be ideal if you could upload
> > these plans to
> > Sportflight.com for the archives. Everyone can
> > benefit, even if it might be
> > years later. Just send them to Don Pearsall
> > <donpearsall@comcast.net>,
> > Kitfox List co-administrator, and he'll take care of
> > the rest. Might be
> > best to contact him first with instructions.
> > Deke Morisse
> > List administrator
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Grant Fluent" <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
> > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 8:24 PM
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Budget hangar door
> > ideas?
> >
> >
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent
> > <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > > I have some bi-fold door info if you're
> > interested.
> > > My local EAA Chapter had planned at one time to
> > build
> > > a hanger and since I do mechanical
> > > designing/engineering for a living, I did the
> > plans
> > > for the building and the door. I looked at about
> > half
> > > a dozen different doors at a few airports and drew
> > > what I needed on the computer.
> > > Grant Fluent
> > > Newcastle, NE
> > > Classic IV 912ULS
> > >
> > >
> > > --- wingnut <wingnut@spamarrest.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut"
> > > > <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
> > > >
> > > > I might be interested in attempting to duplicate
> > the
> > > > bifold idea with a good set of plans or even an
> > > > example to copy. Anyone in the Greenville, SC
> > > > vicinity with a bifold that I can examine?
> > > >
> > > > That UltimateDoor looks like it might be a good
> > > > option as well. Looks like it's made of wood
> > which
> > > > is a plus since I've never done any welding. I
> > guess
> > > > $35 for a set of plans is a safe bet just to see
> > > > some details of the lift mechanism.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for the help guys.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Read this topic online here:
> > > >
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
At 06:48 AM 4/19/2006, you wrote:
>If there were a crash bad enough that the FAA needed that data plate to
>identify your aircraft you won't have to be worry about it.
Thanks Bradley, Wayne,
Being an ex-law student, and suspicious by nature, ( ;-) ) I
sometimes think that I should withhold as much information as possible.
That would lead me to drop all the "unnecessary" information in case some
enterprising lawyer finds a way to use it against me. As the plane's
currently set up to use the larger plate, though, I think I'll give
humanity the benefit of the doubt and fill it out.
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
Do not archive
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| Subject: | 532 header tank ask deke |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Malcolmbru@aol.com
my header tank sets below the top of the head and has no fettling for the
head to vent how could this ever work? now I have a 582 do I need to put a
new tank on it? and were? malcolm
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "QSS" <msm@byterocky.net>
Thanks for everyones help AGAIN. I have contacted John and he seems
optamistic about a repair so after advice from his welder he is going to
contact me again.
Cheers Guys
Regards
Graeme
----- Original Message -----
From: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 1:56 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Wing strut
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick"
> <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
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> Hi Graeme. The threaded portion is factory welded so I'm sure it can be
> replaced. To avoid a lot of headache I would buy the end from the
> manufacurer and have it welded according to their proccess. John Mcbean
> should have the parts available under sportplane llc or whatever the new
> Kitfox will be called. Ron NB Ore
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>>From: "QSS" <msm@byterocky.net>
>>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>Subject: Kitfox-List: Wing strut
>>Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 14:19:18 +1000
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>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "QSS" <msm@byterocky.net>
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>>Hi Guys, I need some help with info about the welded threaded bolt
>>attached
>>to the wing strut end. I need to replace them and Im not sure how to go
>>about it. As there such a critical part Im not prepared to just weld a
>>bolt
>>on and hope for the best. Can anyone share their thoughts as to how to do
>>this please.
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>>Thanks
>>Graeme
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