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1. 12:58 AM - SV: Interesting day at the airstrip (Michel Verheughe)
2. 04:20 AM - Re: Safety Wire (Bradley M Webb)
3. 04:20 AM - Kitfox price (Larry Huntley)
4. 04:30 AM - Re: SV: Interesting day at the airstrip (Lynn Matteson)
5. 05:39 AM - Re: NSI Ignition Isolation Unit (matt msg.04.10.06.23:59:45.13974 msg.04.24.06.00:58:47.28924 msg.04.24.06.04:20:32.17799 msg.04.24.06.04:20:32.17920 msg.04.24.06.04:30:59.31238 msg.04.24.06.05:39:18.14511 msg.04.24.06.05:52:00.31021 msg.04.24.06.06:12:15.23887 msg.04.24.06.06:24:40.7263 msg.04.24.06.08:15:16.26067 msg.04.24.06.08:44:23.32692 msg.04.24.06.09:26:28.16725 msg.04.24.06.10:52:16.26021 msg.04.24.06.10:53:26.28813 msg.04.24.06.12:07:34.30927 msg.04.24.06.12:18:20.16777 msg.04.24.06.12:26:45.27166 msg.04.24.06.12:46:51.21918 msg.04.24.06.14:53:05.12321 msg.04.24.06.15:31:53.28608 msg.04.24.06.16:55:35.1838 msg.04.24.06.17:26:42.18210 msg.04.24.06.17:56:23.27671 msg.04.24.06.17:57:09.28933 msg.04.24.06.18:39:48.18511 msg.04.24.06.18:40:12.20751 msg.04.24.06.20:46:20.29887 msg.05.23.05.04:21:08.26754 msg.05.23.05.04:21:08.26790 msg.05.23.05.06:30:00.19402 msg.05.23.05.07:05:35.29938 msg.05.23.05.08:42:28.21575 msg.05.23.05.08:42:28.21582 msg.05.23.05.08:57:10.6698 msg.05.23.05.10:00:04.32377 msg.05.23.05.11:00:42.31353 msg.05.23.05.11:21:06.24674 msg.05.23.05.11:23:26.28832 msg.05.23.05.12:11:57.25083 msg.05.23.05.12:28:45.16902 msg.05.23.05.12:30:46.1343 msg.05.23.05.15:43:11.15724 msg.05.23.05.15:51:21.28004 msg.05.23.05.16:50:42.4473 msg.05.23.05.20:16:01.11220 msg.05.23.05.21:41:19.17147 msg.05.23.05.21:56:05.11810 msg.05.23.05.22:11:26.1600 msg.05.23.05.22:11:29.2888 msg.05.23.05.22:16:47.12967 msg.09.11.05.23:59:51.9550 msg.10.21.05.23:59:54.30931 msg.10.26.05.23:59:24.19170 old_messages web_browse.day.0 web_browse.day.1 web_browse.day.2 web_browse.day.3 web_browse.day.4 web_browse.day.5 web_browse.day.6)
6. 05:52 AM - Re: Odyssey Battery (wingnut)
7. 06:12 AM - Re: NSI Ignition Isolation Unit (Peter Graichen)
8. 06:24 AM - PKG/NSI Ignition Isolation Units (Peter Graichen)
9. 08:15 AM - Re: Interesting day at the airstrip (Fox5flyer)
10. 08:44 AM - Re: Safety Wire (Marty Marks)
11. 09:26 AM - Re: Interesting day at the airstrip (Lynn Matteson)
12. 10:52 AM - Jabiru muffler. WAS: Interesting day at the airstrip (Michel Verheughe)
13. 10:53 AM - PVC strut fairings? (Margaret Hastedt)
14. 12:07 PM - Re: PVC strut fairings? (Paul Wilson)
15. 12:18 PM - Re: PVC strut fairings? (Randy Daughenbaugh)
16. 12:26 PM - Re: PVC strut fairings? (Algate)
17. 12:46 PM - Re: PVC strut fairings? (Larry Huntley)
18. 02:53 PM - tires (DeWayne Clifford)
19. 03:31 PM - Re: off topic - Date time note (kurt schrader)
20. 04:55 PM - Tires (Jimmie Blackwell)
21. 05:26 PM - Re: Safety Wire (Guy Buchanan)
22. 05:56 PM - Re: Safety Wire (Marty Marks)
23. 05:57 PM - Re: off topic - Date time note (Marty Marks)
24. 06:39 PM - SB 29 (Larry Martin)
25. 06:40 PM - Re: SB 29 DISREGARD REQUEST (Larry Martin)
26. 08:46 PM - Re: Tires (Lynn Matteson)
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| Subject: | Interesting day at the airstrip |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
I am sorry to hear about your misfortune, Lynn, but I'd like to make sure I understood
correctly: One of the two SS exhaust pipes that leave the muffler broke
and felt, leaving a hole in the muffler, is that right?
That must certainly be a very badly welded exhaust system and be covered by a warantee,
wouldn't it?
Cheers,
Michel
do not archive
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bradley M Webb" <bmwebb@cox.net>
On my 582, I safety wire the gearbox oil drain plug, as well as the exhaust
bolts at the head, and most hose clamps.
Basically, if it vibrates, safety it. You can buy jigs to drill bolt heads
and nuts. On a Lycoming, almost every bolt is safety wired, even inside the
engine.
These motors have a lot of hose clamps. Run some wire around them, and
tighten it so that the wire runs in the screwdriver slot. This will prevent
the screw from backing out.
Try looking at it and deciding how the loss of the item would effect your
butt at 5000' (virtually everything!). If it could come out and kill the
motor, you should safety wire it.
Once again, Rotax is pretty poor at ensuring your safety. Almost nothing on
my 582 is locked down from the factory. Lycoming states that all bolts and
nuts will have a locking device. Sound advice.
Maybe someone has better direction?
Bradley
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Guy Buchanan
Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 9:28 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Safety Wire
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
All,
I'm trying to find out what needs to be safety wired. I'm running
a KIV-1200 with 582 C box. Right now the only things safety wired are the
prop and the gearbox fills and drains. I remember seeing race cars with
literally everything safety wired. I checked AC 43-13 and though it told me
how to safety wire, it didn't say what. (It does, though, show how to
safety AN fittings. Should I safety all fuel connections?)
Thanks,
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Larry Huntley" <asq1@adelphia.net>
Hi Folks,
I just returned to the group after being away for some time. Looked
through the membership list and was happy to see a few of the old names.
I am trying to establish the price of a Kitfox mod 4-1200 NSI engine.
Plane is in quite good condition,probably an 8, low hours 200(+/-).
Anyone have a suggestion? I am interested in what they are selling for,not
what someone is asking.
Thank you very much. I appreciate any input.
No,I am not selling mine. I am looking for info to buy another one.
Larry Huntley,
Kitfox 4-1200,Subaru,450 hrs
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| Subject: | Re: Interesting day at the airstrip |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
You're correct, Michel. Each pipe is fed through the muffler, then
welded on each side of the muffler, then the one side of the pipe is
closed off. The exhaust gasses enter the pipe through a bunch of holes
drilled into each pipe, inside the muffler. My pipe broke off partly
next to the weld, and partly about a quarter-inch away from the weld.
I'll be checking with the dealer regarding the warranty. I searched the
entire field for the lost pipe, but found nothing...it could have
fallen off anywhere else of course.
And yes, the hole in the muffler is one-and-one-quarter inch in
diameter, and pointed right at the lower firewall area, where my fuel
supply line enters the engine compartment from the cabin. I've already
"imagineered" a deflecting baffle to divert any future exhaust
problems, as well as a pipe support and retainer, should another pipe
break off. And by the way, the other pipe is cracked about halfway
around the pipe, right next to the weld....a normal place for such
cracks to appear, as we have all seen.
Lynn
Kitfox IV...Jabiru 2200
On Monday, April 24, 2006, at 03:55 AM, Michel Verheughe wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
> I am sorry to hear about your misfortune, Lynn, but I'd like to make
> sure I understood correctly: One of the two SS exhaust pipes that
> leave the muffler broke and felt, leaving a hole in the muffler, is
> that right?
>
> That must certainly be a very badly welded exhaust system and be
> covered by a warantee, wouldn't it?
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: NSI Ignition Isolation Unit |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "*" <caseclosed66@hotmail.com>
Hi Guys,
If it would help I an founder / President of an electronics manufacturing
facility. My facility could bang out as many as you need, I would be
willing to build, stock and ship any units you need.
If you are interested Peter, let me know.
greg@case-assembly.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Zakreski" <szakreski@shaw.ca>
Cc: "Steve Zakreski" <sszakreski@trane.com>
Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 9:13 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: NSI Ignition Isolation Unit
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
>
> Peter
>
> Here's a thought:
> Would you consider organizing a cooperative effort whereby we get some
> number of people (say 20 people) to send you $200, and you make as many as
> you can for the $4000 and hold them in stock. You could then sell them
> for
> $450 to the stakeholders for as long as they lasted. In other words, the
> $200 gives the stakeholders the peace of mind they have access to the
> modules if needed.
>
> If you sell all the modules, you have the money to go out and make a bunch
> more.
> If you or nobody else wanted to, I would volunteer to hold them in my
> companies Parts Store as parts inventory if you didn't want to.
>
> Some details still to figure out, but you get my drift.
>
> SteveZ
> Calgary
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter
> Graichen
> Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 5:41 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: NSI Ignition Isolation Unit
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Peter Graichen" <n10pg@neo.rr.com>
>
> Hello Mike:
> No, each.
> Peter
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Logan
> Sent: Thursday, 20 April, 2006 19:18
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: NSI Ignition Isolation Unit
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Michael Logan"
> --> <michael.logan@cox.net>
>
> Peter,
>
> As you have discovered, the isolation units are the weak single point
> failure in the dual ignition system. I wish there was a better way. I
> have
> not heard of anyone having a failure of any other part of the ignition.
>
> By the way, is that $450 for the set?
>
> Mike Logan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter
> Graichen
> Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 4:07 PM
> To: Kitfox List
> Subject: Kitfox-List: NSI Ignition Isolation Unit
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Peter Graichen" <n10pg@neo.rr.com>
>
> Hello NSI Subaru Drivers:
>
> You may recall my e-mail post of 17 Feb. 06, in which I advised that
> subject
> ignition isolation units are no longer available from NSI. Since then I
> have
> been unable to find anybody that could make such a unit.
> Therefore I was forced to research and develop such a unit on my own. The
> attached picture shows the result. Dimensionally my unit is identical to
> NSI's. I use the same plastics and composits as used by NSI. The brass
> posts
> in my unit are Mil-spec Nickel-Tin plated for corrosion resistance and
> improved conductivity. My unit also has a composit bottom plate for better
> isolation of the internal high voltage electrical components from the
> grounded metal mounting plate. I have made two units and installed them in
> N10PG. They perform flawlessly. It may be of interest that each unit
> consists of 24 purchased components plus 15 machined components.
> I am prepared to manufacture one batch of additional units at a cost of $
> 450.00 each. Please let me know via e-mail by no later than 30 April '06
> if
> you want me to build one or more units for you Please keep in mind that
> there is no alternative to having two properly functioning ignition
> isolation modules when flying the NSI Subaru with two independent
> electronic
> ignition systems. My experience to date: I have replaced four failed
> NSI-manufactured isolation units in 1,000 hrs of operation in N10PG.
> Peter Graichen
> http:/home.neo.rr.com/n10pg/kitfox.htm
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Odyssey Battery |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
I use the 535 in the stock M4 battery box but I had to cut down the plastic fins
sticking out of the side of the battery to make it fit. When I asked around
about the wisdom of cuttin the fins down I got different responses. The guy at
the battery store believes that the fins are for cooling because the typical
installation (right next to a hot motorcycle motor) is very hot and has very little
air space. If I were to do it again, I'd go with the 625 and ditch the stock
box.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=30315#30315
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| Subject: | NSI Ignition Isolation Unit |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Peter Graichen" <n10pg@neo.rr.com>
Hello Greg:
Where were you when I was crying for help? Too late now. I have spent
hundreds if not thousands of dollars to research and made my own and am
willing to make more for anybody that needs them.
Peter
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of *
Sent: Monday, 24 April, 2006 08:36
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: NSI Ignition Isolation Unit
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "*" <caseclosed66@hotmail.com>
Hi Guys,
If it would help I an founder / President of an electronics manufacturing
facility. My facility could bang out as many as you need, I would be
willing to build, stock and ship any units you need.
If you are interested Peter, let me know.
greg@case-assembly.com
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| Subject: | PKG/NSI Ignition Isolation Units |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Peter Graichen" <n10pg@neo.rr.com>
Hello NSI Subaru drivers:
In my e-mail post of 20 April I advised that I have developed and am
offering for sale brand new and improved replicas of NSI's ignition
isolation units. I had attached photos of the unit, but I guess attachments
are not permitted under the Matronics rules. I received several messages
saying that there were no attachments.
I have added a photo of the unit on my web site under Photo Gallery in the
last row of pictures. Have a look.
Sincerely,
Peter Graichen
http:/home.neo.rr.com/n10pg/kitfox.htm
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| Subject: | Re: Interesting day at the airstrip |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
That could have had some disastrous results Lynn, especially if you hadn't
used fire sleeve on the fuel line. This is one of those "I learned from
that..." things. Thanks for sharing with us and good luck with future
testing.
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 12:05 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Interesting day at the airstrip
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>
> My test pilot had an interesting day flying today, and was lucky enough
> to bring it home safely. He encountered a smell, like heated rubber, or
> paint burning, while flying at about 2000' over the airfield. He
> landed, we looked, and found nothing amiss. Thinking it was probably
> the muffler losing its' "virginity" after 18 hours, he went up again,
> flew some more and landed...no problem, we thought. Later on, he
> noticed lack of power on takeoff, and aborted. I saw that the EGT span
> was over 600 degrees F, and rising. This related to a lost cylinder in
> my book. I switched the EIS to read all four exhaust gas temps, and
> found that cyl. #4 on my Jabiru 2200 was the low one. Removing the cowl
> we found 3 spark plug wires had come out of the distributor caps...2
> wires to #4, and one wire to another plug on the other cap (2
> distributor caps on the Jabiru). We plugged them back in, and all was
> well again. He took off, and flew for another little while, then put
> the plane away. Sitting back and thinking things over, I noticed one
> "tail" pipe out of the muffler was missing. Pulling the upper and lower
> cowling revealed that the exhaust heat was hitting the lower tubes of
> the engine mount, cooking the paint off, and also had burned the outer
> layer of rubber off the fire sleeve protecting the fuel supply to the
> engine's mechanical fuel pump...this was at the firewall pass-through
> fitting. When the new muffler is replaced, I will build a protective
> shield to protect any future exhaust failures, as well as reinforced
> tubing junctures, and a better hanging system to support any weight
> that might be subject to vibration and subsequent failures.
>
> I don't think that either incident had any bearing on the other, but in
> retrospect, we should have pulled both cowls and given it a closer
> going over...I damn sure will next time, and I'm happy to report that
> there will be a next time.
>
> This could have been a "bad day at Black Rock"
>
> Lynn
> Kitfox IV...Jabiru 2200
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Marty Marks" <mmarks@sentex.net>
Guy, make sure your check and safety wire the fuel line feed nuts to your
carbs. I had the misfortion, just after having the carbs rebuilt by a dealer
by the way, that one of the nuts backed out, luckily I was still on the
ground. The engine obviously started missing and backfired badly, the next
thing I saw was a river of fuel running down the floorboards, all in about 4
seconds. I shut down and got out of the plane as it could have gone up at
any second.
I returned about 10 minutes later, after the fuel had stopped dripping from
the floorboards and upon investigation found the gas line feed nut had
backed out of the carb.
My lucky day for sure.
Marty
----- Original Message -----
From: "Guy Buchanan" <bnn@nethere.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 9:27 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Safety Wire
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
>
> All,
> I'm trying to find out what needs to be safety wired. I'm running
> a KIV-1200 with 582 C box. Right now the only things safety wired are the
> prop and the gearbox fills and drains. I remember seeing race cars with
> literally everything safety wired. I checked AC 43-13 and though it told
> me
> how to safety wire, it didn't say what. (It does, though, show how to
> safety AN fittings. Should I safety all fuel connections?)
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Guy Buchanan
> K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Interesting day at the airstrip |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Thanks, Deke...hey, I could use some more pilots, so if you're
interested, there's still more hours to fly off. Of course, after
yesterday's problems, I may not get any takers on the offer to "come
here and fly free" : ) The muffler is going back to the Jab dealer and
he's sending me a new one today, so it will be ready for more flying in
about a week or less....with more safety/securing methods in place.
Lynn
On Monday, April 24, 2006, at 11:10 AM, Fox5flyer wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer"
> <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>
> That could have had some disastrous results Lynn, especially if you
> hadn't
> used fire sleeve on the fuel line. This is one of those "I learned
> from
> that..." things. Thanks for sharing with us and good luck with future
> testing.
> Deke
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 12:05 AM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Interesting day at the airstrip
>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>>
>> My test pilot had an interesting day flying today, and was lucky
>> enough
>> to bring it home safely. He encountered a smell, like heated rubber,
>> or
>> paint burning, while flying at about 2000' over the airfield. He
>> landed, we looked, and found nothing amiss. Thinking it was probably
>> the muffler losing its' "virginity" after 18 hours, he went up again,
>> flew some more and landed...no problem, we thought. Later on, he
>> noticed lack of power on takeoff, and aborted. I saw that the EGT span
>> was over 600 degrees F, and rising. This related to a lost cylinder in
>> my book. I switched the EIS to read all four exhaust gas temps, and
>> found that cyl. #4 on my Jabiru 2200 was the low one. Removing the
>> cowl
>> we found 3 spark plug wires had come out of the distributor caps...2
>> wires to #4, and one wire to another plug on the other cap (2
>> distributor caps on the Jabiru). We plugged them back in, and all was
>> well again. He took off, and flew for another little while, then put
>> the plane away. Sitting back and thinking things over, I noticed one
>> "tail" pipe out of the muffler was missing. Pulling the upper and
>> lower
>> cowling revealed that the exhaust heat was hitting the lower tubes of
>> the engine mount, cooking the paint off, and also had burned the outer
>> layer of rubber off the fire sleeve protecting the fuel supply to the
>> engine's mechanical fuel pump...this was at the firewall pass-through
>> fitting. When the new muffler is replaced, I will build a protective
>> shield to protect any future exhaust failures, as well as reinforced
>> tubing junctures, and a better hanging system to support any weight
>> that might be subject to vibration and subsequent failures.
>>
>> I don't think that either incident had any bearing on the other, but
>> in
>> retrospect, we should have pulled both cowls and given it a closer
>> going over...I damn sure will next time, and I'm happy to report that
>> there will be a next time.
>>
>> This could have been a "bad day at Black Rock"
>>
>> Lynn
>> Kitfox IV...Jabiru 2200
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Jabiru muffler. WAS: Interesting day at the airstrip |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
On Apr 24, 2006, at 1:30 PM, Lynn Matteson wrote:
> And by the way, the other pipe is cracked about halfway
> around the pipe, right next to the weld
Wow! That sounds scary, Lynn! I am glad your Jabiru dealer is sending
you an new muffler set.
When I installed my Jabiru, I noticed the contrast between the well
finished, precision tooled engine and the rather ... so-and-so muffler.
In my case, the welding is holding but I had to shorten two of the
retaining springs because their attaching points were at different
placement. It doesn't look like a professional job.
Is your muffler hanging freely or is it touching something like the
cowling? Could such a thing have created a harmonic in the vibrations
that started the crack? Just wondering, I don't know much about that
stuff.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | PVC strut fairings? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Margaret Hastedt" <hastedt@iodp.tamu.edu>
Hi gang,
Does anyone know where I could buy some of the PVC lift strut fairings? I've got
some aluminum ones already, but they're quite heavy and I sure don't need more
weight. Or are there alternatives to PVC/aluminum out there?
Thanks!
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| Subject: | Re: PVC strut fairings? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Paul Wilson <pwmac@sisna.com>
HI,
The originals were made out of wood. The PVC ones replaced the wood for
more weight and ease of installation. They did not require all the bondo
like the wood ones to make them smooth.
Several builders have made their own wood ones using moulding from the
home supply store. I suspect more bondo would be required.
Several builders have made small ribs from plywood and used thin (>016 or
less) aluminum just wrapped around the strut and riveted them like the
flapreons. Much more work.
Regards, Paul
=================
At 10:53 AM 4/24/2006, you wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Margaret Hastedt" <hastedt@iodp.tamu.edu>
>
>Hi gang,
>
>Does anyone know where I could buy some of the PVC lift strut
>fairings? I've got some aluminum ones already, but they're quite heavy
>and I sure don't need more weight. Or are there alternatives to
>PVC/aluminum out there?
>
>Thanks!
>
>
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| Subject: | PVC strut fairings? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Margaret,
I have a complete fairing kit I will sell you for $20 plus shipping. It
includes instructions and metal for blending in the lower end where the
struts meet.
I didn't use the kit because the PVC is heavy! I used plastic door trim and
covered it with fabric. I would have saved lots of time using the PVC
though.
Let me know if you are interested.
Randy - Black Hills of South Dakota
.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Margaret
Hastedt
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 11:53 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: PVC strut fairings?
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Margaret Hastedt"
<hastedt@iodp.tamu.edu>
Hi gang,
Does anyone know where I could buy some of the PVC lift strut fairings?
I've got some aluminum ones already, but they're quite heavy and I sure
don't need more weight. Or are there alternatives to PVC/aluminum out
there?
Thanks!
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| Subject: | PVC strut fairings? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
I have the same PVC kit installed on my plane and can say that it has worked
fine for me - not only did I get an immediate increase in speed the
installation was a breeze and I had them installed in a couple of hrs.
I had mine painted with auto Urethane -(mixed with the softener used for
plastic trim) 3 years now with no problems.
I paid a lot more than $20.......
GaryA
Lite2
Margaret,
I have a complete fairing kit I will sell you for $20 plus shipping. It
includes instructions and metal for blending in the lower end where the
struts meet.
I didn't use the kit because the PVC is heavy! I used plastic door trim and
covered it with fabric. I would have saved lots of time using the PVC
though.
Let me know if you are interested.
Randy - Black Hills of South Dakota
.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Margaret
Hastedt
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 11:53 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: PVC strut fairings?
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Margaret Hastedt"
<hastedt@iodp.tamu.edu>
Hi gang,
Does anyone know where I could buy some of the PVC lift strut fairings?
I've got some aluminum ones already, but they're quite heavy and I sure
don't need more weight. Or are there alternatives to PVC/aluminum out
there?
Thanks!
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| Subject: | Re: PVC strut fairings? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Larry Huntley" <asq1@adelphia.net>
Mine are made of wood like the originals and wrapped w/ fabric. No Bondo.
Would bet PVC would be lighter,but mine are made of Basswood ,so fairly
light. Larry Huntley
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Wilson" <pwmac@sisna.com>
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 2:59 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: PVC strut fairings?
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Paul Wilson <pwmac@sisna.com>
>
> HI,
> The originals were made out of wood. The PVC ones replaced the wood for
> more weight and ease of installation. They did not require all the bondo
> like the wood ones to make them smooth.
> Several builders have made their own wood ones using moulding from the
> home supply store. I suspect more bondo would be required.
> Several builders have made small ribs from plywood and used thin (>016 or
> less) aluminum just wrapped around the strut and riveted them like the
> flapreons. Much more work.
> Regards, Paul
> =================
>
> At 10:53 AM 4/24/2006, you wrote:
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Margaret Hastedt"
>><hastedt@iodp.tamu.edu>
>>
>>Hi gang,
>>
>>Does anyone know where I could buy some of the PVC lift strut
>>fairings? I've got some aluminum ones already, but they're quite heavy
>>and I sure don't need more weight. Or are there alternatives to
>>PVC/aluminum out there?
>>
>>Thanks!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "DeWayne Clifford" <kitfox@bresnan.net>
There is a kitfoxer on the list that has an orange fox , with black cowel bumps
and black leading edges.
The fox has lawn tires or golf cart tires that look like what I have been trying
to find. I sure would like
find the size and/or supplyer if possible.
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| Subject: | Re: off topic - Date time note |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
We have a saying now where I work: "Like 2 pigs
studying a wristwatch" .... :-) (It referes to us
Boeing pilots trying to figure out our aircraft
computers.)
Good news and bad news: I studied Einstein's stuff in
the 10th grade before the U.S. decided that dumbing
down would win more Democratic voters. That is the
bad news. I haven't gotten any smarter since the 10th
grade.
The good news is that now I am old, lost my hair,
hearing and eyesight, and can't remember what else.
Given that, I am more tolerant of others whom I can't
see or hear, and I am left with sun burn, and only BS
for answers. So you all shouldn't feel too bad.
Like Al said, there was some truth in there somewhere,
but like "Hitchhiker's Guide..." it was far out and a
spoof on theoritical science. We don't really know
S---, but have heard the theories and know that
theoritical physicists don't know either. We are now
positively, absolutely certain that we were definately
wrong the last time we knew for sure.
So it was just for fun to fill in the off topic hour
until we got back to the real business of KitFox life.
It is better to get high on Avgas, IMHO.
Kurt S.
Do not archive
--- david yeamans <dafox@ckt.net> wrote:
> You Guys remind me of the two philosophing Monkeys
> that got overwhelmed by eating to many
> bananas impregnated with himp dust, they were OK
> because they lived in the jungle social circle
> with other monkeys that ate the same kind of Bananas
> that spoke the same language. concequently,
> their language out side the monkey jungle had no
> value.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jimmie Blackwell <jimmieblackwell@sbcglobal.net>
DeWayne
I think you are looking for Lynn Matteson. Anyway, I got the tires for him down
here in Texas as he was not able to find them in Michigan.
I use the same tires on my Kitfox IV which are 6.50 x 16.00 x 8. They were bought
from a Goodyear dealer. If you want I will get the stock number in the
next couple of days when I go to my hangar or if you wish I can get them locally
and ship them to you. They are 4 ply tires and only cost about $20.00 per
tire.
Jimmie
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
At 08:42 AM 4/24/2006, you wrote:
>Guy, make sure your check and safety wire the fuel line feed nuts to your
>carbs.
Marty,
What are these? Are you talking 912 or 582?
Thanks,
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Marty Marks" <mmarks@sentex.net>
Sorry Guy, I am talking 912U
Marty
----- Original Message -----
From: "Guy Buchanan" <bnn@nethere.com>
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 8:20 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Safety Wire
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
>
> At 08:42 AM 4/24/2006, you wrote:
>>Guy, make sure your check and safety wire the fuel line feed nuts to your
>>carbs.
>
> Marty,
> What are these? Are you talking 912 or 582?
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Guy Buchanan
> K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Marty Marks" <mmarks@sentex.net>
Hey Kert, does this mean that democratic votes would be good now, from far
away I would think (r) has missed the boat completely.
----- Original Message -----
From: "kurt schrader" <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 6:29 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: off topic - Date time note
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
> <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>
> We have a saying now where I work: "Like 2 pigs
> studying a wristwatch" .... :-) (It referes to us
> Boeing pilots trying to figure out our aircraft
> computers.)
>
> Good news and bad news: I studied Einstein's stuff in
> the 10th grade before the U.S. decided that dumbing
> down would win more Democratic voters. That is the
> bad news. I haven't gotten any smarter since the 10th
> grade.
>
> The good news is that now I am old, lost my hair,
> hearing and eyesight, and can't remember what else.
> Given that, I am more tolerant of others whom I can't
> see or hear, and I am left with sun burn, and only BS
> for answers. So you all shouldn't feel too bad.
>
> Like Al said, there was some truth in there somewhere,
> but like "Hitchhiker's Guide..." it was far out and a
> spoof on theoritical science. We don't really know
> S---, but have heard the theories and know that
> theoritical physicists don't know either. We are now
> positively, absolutely certain that we were definately
> wrong the last time we knew for sure.
>
> So it was just for fun to fill in the off topic hour
> until we got back to the real business of KitFox life.
> It is better to get high on Avgas, IMHO.
>
> Kurt S.
>
> Do not archive
>
> --- david yeamans <dafox@ckt.net> wrote:
>
>> You Guys remind me of the two philosophing Monkeys
>> that got overwhelmed by eating to many
>> bananas impregnated with himp dust, they were OK
>> because they lived in the jungle social circle
>> with other monkeys that ate the same kind of Bananas
>> that spoke the same language. concequently,
>> their language out side the monkey jungle had no
>> value.
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <CrownLJ@verizon.net>
Hi,
I'm looking for SB 29 dealing with the header tank. Could someone point me the
way or email it to me, along with the picture.
Thanks,
Larry
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| Subject: | Re: SB 29 DISREGARD REQUEST |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <CrownLJ@verizon.net>
Thanks, I finally found where it was located and no longer need the info.
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Martin
To: Kitfox-List@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 8:37 PM
Subject: SB 29
Hi,
I'm looking for SB 29 dealing with the header tank. Could someone point me
the way or email it to me, along with the picture.
Thanks,
Larry
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
I at first thought that was me too, Jimmie, but I don't have the black
cowl bumps, (or any bumps for that matter, having the Skyfox cowl
presently in white primer), but of course as you and I know I have the
tires that you graciously sent from Texas.
Get the tires from Jimmie, DeWayne....he'll take good care of you.
Lynn
On Monday, April 24, 2006, at 07:52 PM, Jimmie Blackwell wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jimmie Blackwell
> <jimmieblackwell@sbcglobal.net>
>
> DeWayne
>
> I think you are looking for Lynn Matteson. Anyway, I got the tires
> for him down here in Texas as he was not able to find them in > Michigan.
>
> I use the same tires on my Kitfox IV which are 6.50 x 16.00 x 8.
> They were bought from a Goodyear dealer. If you want I will get the
> stock number in the next couple of days when I go to my hangar or if
> you wish I can get them locally and ship them to you. They are 4 ply
> tires and only cost about $20.00 per tire.
>
> Jimmie
>
>
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