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1. 01:40 AM - Re: Aussie Ex-Pat Kitfox pilot (Allan Aaron)
2. 04:24 AM - I'm that guy - 912 won't start (davyken@comcast.net)
3. 04:54 AM - Re: I'm that guy - 912 won't start (kurt schrader)
4. 04:57 AM - Re: Grounding of fuel tanks (kurt schrader)
5. 05:08 AM - Fuel tank grounding (Larry Martin)
6. 05:18 AM - Re: Overheating (kurt schrader)
7. 05:33 AM - Re: Grounding of fuel tanks (kurt schrader)
8. 05:34 AM - Re: Model 2 Fiberglass wing tanks - what resin? (Don Smythe)
9. 05:39 AM - Re: Overheating (kurt schrader)
10. 06:19 AM - Re: Kitfox Aircraft (Donna and Roger McConnell)
11. 07:32 AM - Re: Looking for list member - AWO Arlington, WA area (Richard Rabbers)
12. 08:22 AM - Re: Grounding of fuel tanks (PWilson)
13. 08:52 AM - Re: Kitfox Aircraft (Bruce Harrington)
14. 09:59 AM - Re: Dynon Horizon (Joel Mapes)
15. 10:07 AM - Re: Looking for list member - AWO Arlington, WA area (Joel Mapes)
16. 12:23 PM - KY-97a (Alan Daniels)
17. 04:11 PM - Re: KY-97a (kurt schrader)
18. 04:17 PM - Re: Looking for list member - AWO Arlington, WA area (Richard Rabbers)
19. 04:33 PM - Re: Dynon Horizon (kurt schrader)
20. 04:41 PM - Re: Grounding of fuel tanks (kurt schrader)
21. 04:41 PM - Re: Overheating (John Anderson)
22. 04:46 PM - Re: Overheating (John Anderson)
23. 04:48 PM - Horizon (Sid Hausding)
24. 04:49 PM - Re: Re: Looking for list member - AWO Arlington, WA area (kurt schrader)
25. 05:17 PM - Re: Horizon (kurt schrader)
26. 05:17 PM - Arctic Sparrow modification (Jim Burke)
27. 05:19 PM - Re: Looking for list member - AWO Arlington, WA area (Richard Rabbers)
28. 05:24 PM - Re: Overheating (kurt schrader)
29. 05:44 PM - Re: KY-97a (Alan Daniels)
30. 06:56 PM - Re: Arctic Sparrow modification (Rob Stapleton)
31. 06:56 PM - Re: KY-97a (Sid Hausding)
32. 07:01 PM - Re: Horizon (Sid Hausding)
33. 07:27 PM - Re: Horizon (kurt schrader)
34. 07:59 PM - Re: Overheating (John Anderson)
35. 10:38 PM - Re: KY-97a (James Shumaker)
36. 11:42 PM - Re: Grounding of fuel tanks (Guy Buchanan)
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| Subject: | Aussie Ex-Pat Kitfox pilot |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Allan Aaron" <aaaron@tvp.com.au>
Hi Gary
I'll echo Graeme comments. Its easy to get the plane registered here.
The key thing is to deregister the plane in Canada/US. You can register
in Australia as either an UL or in VH (mine is VH ... But on reflection
I should have done UL to reduce maintenance compliance costs ... But I
was not the original builder).Check with SAAA for designated technical
officers who can lead you through it. I had Steve Dines in Sydney help
me. I had no problems with customs, etc at either end. I had to remove
the wings and tailplane to fit inside the container. Feel free to email
me privately if you want some specific help.
Allan
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of QSS
Sent: Saturday, 29 April 2006 06:09
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Aussie Ex-Pat Kitfox pilot
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "QSS" <msm@byterocky.net>
There are a number of option now available to you Gary. Its no longer a
single choice should you decide to register in an ultralight catagory.
Do some research on the Recreation Aviation Australia site to see which
will suit your needs. For instance the 19 catagory allows you to perform
all work on the aircraft yourself where as the 25 catagory wont. You may
even want to consider GA registration to allow you greater flexibility
in the use of primary airports. The rego is the easy bit and only takes
a matter of 2 weeks. I would however suggest deregistering your plane
while your there as the paper work will be required for proof of
degistration. It could take some time if your corresponding from here to
Canada, particularly if you decide to go with GA rego and have to deal
with CASA.
Regards
Graeme Toft
----- Original Message -----
From: "Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 10:39 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Aussie Ex-Pat Kitfox pilot
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
>
> Colin
>
> I am an Australian Ex-Pat living in Canada and am considering
returning
> home
> to Adelaide after 13 years in Canada. Can you help me re registration
and
> operation of my Kitfox in Australia.
>
> Are there any issues that you are aware of that would present problems
in
> registering/operating a Model 4 under the Ultralight rules?
>
> Please contact me off list if you can assist me algate@attglobal.net
>
>
> Best regards
> Gary Algate
> President
> SDS Canada Inc
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Colin
Durey
> Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 7:06 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Windscreen fitting - Thanks!
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Colin Durey" <colin@ptclhk.com>
>
> Thanks to all for your responses re fitting the windscreen. I have put
it
> to the side for a few days while I attend to a few other bits. Re the
warm
> days suggestions... Sydney is in the Southern Hemisphere (much
further
> south than Gaeme who can go swimming with his Fox at any time of year)
and
> the warm days are behind us for a while so, the heat gun looks like
the
> only option at the moment.
>
> Thanks again.. This list is the greatest.
>
> Regards
>
> Colin Durey
> Sydney
> +61-418-677073 (M)
> +61-2-945466162 (F)
>
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| Subject: | I'm that guy - 912 won't start |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: davyken@comcast.net
Ken
I wondered what happened to you. If I remember correctly your paint job has the
large arrows on the wings?
Mike Chaney
Yes, I remember you and your wife Leatha very well. Yes, my plane has the arrows
on the wings.
I have this last big problem and then I can go flying. I cant seem to get the
engine started. A couple of other builders have looked at it. Im getting fuel
through the carbs. Everything else looks good. The prop turns but I dont think
Im getting a spark.
Ive only made one change. I replaced the key Skystar sent with a regular aircraft
key. Just to make sure I tried swapping it with the original key again.
Ive checked the wiring and tested all of the wires for conductivity. Ive replaced
the battery. Ive tried starting the engine with the dual ignition switches
in both positions and tired taking them completely out of the circuit. Ive
checked all of the grounds I know about. Is it possible that both of the ignition
packs are bad? Theyre kind of expensive to replace on a hunch.
Ken Davy
Kitfox IV 912
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<DIV>Ken<BR><BR>I wondered what happened to you. If I remember correctly your paint
job has the large arrows on the wings?<BR><BR>Mike Chaney<BR></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">Yes, I remember you and your wife
Leatha very well.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Yes, my plane
has the arrows on the wings.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></P>
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"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">I have this last big problem and
then I can go flying.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I cant seem
to get the engine started.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>A couple
of other builders have looked at it.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Im getting fuel through the carbs.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Everything else looks good.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The
prop turns but I dont think Im getting a spark.</P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">Ive only made one change.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun:
yes"> </SPAN>I replaced the key Skystar sent with a
regular aircraft key.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Just to make
sure I tried swapping it with the original key again.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun:
yes"> </SPAN>Ive checked the wiring and tested all of the wires for
conductivity.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Ive replaced the battery.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Ive tried starting the engine
with the dual ignition switches in both positions and tired taking them completely
out of the circuit.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Ive
checked all of the grounds I know about.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Is it possible that both of the ignition packs are bad?<SPAN style="mso-spacerun:
yes"> </SPAN>Theyre kind of expensive to replace on a hunch.</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">Ken Davy</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">Kitfox IV <SPAN style="mso-spacerun:
yes"> </SPAN>912</P></DIV></body></html>
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| Subject: | Re: I'm that guy - 912 won't start |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Hi Ken,
One nice piece of equipment to have for this is a
timing strobe light. Wally World should have one for
around $30, or you might be able to borrow one. (My
local AutoZone loans tools out for repairs.)
It will allow you to trace your spark, or see if you
dont have one, check timing, look for bad plugs, etc.
If you arent producing a spark, it will keep you
from looking everywhere else and wasting time and $.
If you really dont have a spark, that narrows it down
and you can address that here for sure.
Kurt S.
............
> I have this last big problem and then I can go
> flying. I cant seem to get the engine started. A
> couple of other builders have looked at it. Im
> getting fuel through the carbs. Everything else
> looks good. The prop turns but I dont think Im
> getting a spark..........
Ken
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| Subject: | Re: Grounding of fuel tanks |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Good one Michel,
Not only is the tape more easily hidden under fabric,
but it mounts firmly too. Can even be used for making
cheap antennas inside fabric airplanes where they
dont add drag.
Kurt S.
--- Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> wrote:
> On Apr 28, 2006, at 11:50 PM, kurt schrader wrote:
> > Where are our electrical experts on this?
>
> I am certainly not an expert but I can tell what I
> did to ground my ham radio in my sailboat.
>
> Don, I used a tape that is used to ground computer
> racks. I don't know
> how easy it is to find them,>
> Cheers,
> Michel
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| Subject: | Fuel tank grounding |
Cc: <bnn@nethere.com>
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <CrownLJ@verizon.net>
That seem to be a good way to handle the possible static. I don't =
understand why go from the axle to the ground? Could you not go from =
the chain in the tank, to the filler, right to a ground in the ground =
without using the axle/ground cable? My plane is finished and the tank =
probably is not grounded to the spar? An additional thought, =
could/should you also ground the portable fuel tank to the same cable =
that is in the fuel tank? I usually fly local and only pour in 21/2 gal =
from a container. Ifigure that with that small amount, it should produce =
less static?
Thanks for clarifying,
Larry
Time: 09:16:12 PM PST US
From: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Grounding of fuel tanks
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
> I didn't have the neck grounded, but recognized the=20
requirement. I now have a couple of electrical clamps with 15' of 14ga =
test=20
lead wire between them. On each clamp I've attached about a foot of =
light=20
chain. One chain goes in the tank during fill with the clamp on the =
filler=20
neck. The other clamp goes on the axle with the chain on the ground. I =
pour=20
a little water on the ground chain for additional contact. I'm hoping =
this=20
will get any static buildup on the gasoline surface to ground.
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. =20
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
John,
Dont know how many times I wish I had an EFI Soob
with dual plug heads. Wish Rick ran a Soob upgrade
business here in the U.S. since he knows how to turn
straw into gold.
Whenever I get the time Ill:
Put in Dual plug heads,
Install EFI
Install a larger capacity oil pump
Install SS valves
Install better pistons and parts from Rick
Improve my fuel system for better service and
reliability
Add cowl louvers
Finish my VG testing and installation
Add more drag reducing devices
on and on...
At least I dont need to build another Fox right now
to stay in the builders circle. ha ha ;-)
kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo
--- John Anderson <janderson412@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Well, no carb icing problems for me being EFI. But
> the louvers sure are
> effective at getting rid of the residual heat, plus
> they aid the intercooler
> too. John
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| Subject: | Re: Grounding of fuel tanks |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Hi Guy,
I was once working on my old RV (Rec Vehicle) and
happened to have the power supply plugged in. While
rolling under the vehicle I grabbed the step and got a
buzz. I took my volt meter and stuck one end in the
dirt gap between the concrete slabs and put the other
end on the RV. 40 volts AC! It was enough to go thru
me to the concrete. (Bad RV wiring somewhere)
Remembering that fuel trucks use chains, other trucks
use grounding straps, and planes have static wicks, I
think that they do work.
I bet your system is working too Guy.
The longest spark I saw from an aircraft, other than
lightening, was from a hovering helo. It was about 3
feet long and struck a man on the ground. Got his
attention and mine! I saw it from 200 yards away!
Kurt S.
--- Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com> wrote:
> Somewhat off topic. I didn't have the neck grounded,
> but recognized the
> requirement. I now have a couple of electrical
> clamps with 15' of 14ga test
> lead wire between them. On each clamp I've attached
> about a foot of light
> chain. One chain goes in the tank during fill with
> the clamp on the filler
> neck. The other clamp goes on the axle with the
> chain on the ground. I pour
> a little water on the ground chain for additional
> contact. I'm hoping this
> will get any static buildup on the gasoline surface
> to ground.
>
> If I were going to go to the trouble of grounding
> the filler neck, I'd
> attach a conductive chain from the filler neck long
> enough to reach the
> bottom of the tank.
>
> Guy Buchanan
> K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob
> Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: Model 2 Fiberglass wing tanks - what resin? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
I used "West Systems Epoxy" when I ripped up and modified my tanks. It
adheres good to other glass products. However, I'm not so sure about it's
release of toxic stuff. I developed a sensitivity to epoxy during my
process and almost had to go to the hospital. My face will blow up and turn
round if I even get near mixed epoxy anymore. Once you are sensitized, you
are sensitized for life. I recommend full face mask with external air and
all exposed skin covered when working with epoxy. I used West Systems for
years with no effects then one day, boom it was over.
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel Verheughe" <michel@online.no>
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 10:03 AM
Subject: SV: Kitfox-List: Model 2 Fiberglass wing tanks - what resin?
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
>> From: Bradley M Webb [bmwebb@cox.net]
>> Why do you recommend epoxy?
>
> Well ... all the GRP (glass reinforced plastic) yachts are built in
> glassfiber and polyester. And all GRP hull repair kits are ... epoxy. The
> latter is much more pleasant to work with since it is odourless and
> doesnt't release toxic styren gas as polyester does. But epoxy is more
> expensive than polyester. I guess if price was not an issue, yachts would
> be built in epoxy and ... carbon fiber!
> Epoxy is also more watertight. That's why many yacht owners coat their
> hull, under the waterline, with epoxy. When I was designing yachts, we
> used to add about 2% of the weight as "water absorbtion" of the hull, to
> find the final displacement, or total mass of the vessel.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Rick,
I thought of having a sliding grate on the underside
of the louvers controlled by a thermostat using the
temp above the intake filter. Still a dream, not a
plan yet.
Yes, I can make my plane more complex.... After all,
what can go wrong, go wrong, go wrong.....
Kurt S.
--- wingsdown <wingsdown@comcast.net> wrote:
> Not sure if I posted my vents shots, but was not to
> hard. Now to shut
> them on and off now that's a bigger deal for sure.
>
> Rick
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Donna and Roger McConnell" <rdmac@swbell.net>
The new name makes perfect sense. I never understood where the name Sky Star
came from. Besides, it's not a SkyStar aircraft, it's a KITFOX. This is more
great news John, can't wait to check out the new web site.
Roger Mac
12 hours, and loving it
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jdmcbean
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 9:30 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Aircraft
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
OK Guys It has been a very busy last couple of weeks and we felt that it
was time for a brief update.
1st.. I would really like to thank everyone for the incredible support and
offers of assistance. What a great feeling !
Our primary focus is to support the Kitfox builders with the manufactured
parts needed. While the cleanup and organization is on going, we are
starting to produce parts.
We have secured a lease using the existing facility at the Caldwell airport.
We are actively working towards our new facility.
We will be producing full kits in the fall.
Airshows We are going to be at Oshkosh.. North Aircraft Display space 426.
We are working on a parking area for Kitfoxs in the custom built area just
to the East of space 426.
And last but not least.. The name..
KITFOX Aircraft LLC
We are working on a web now In the mean time visit www.sportplanellc.com
<http://www.sportplanellc.com/> for updated info.. There will be a link
from there to the new site when it is up and running.
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com <http://www.sportplanellc.com/>
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for list member - AWO Arlington, WA area |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Richard Rabbers" <rira1950@yahoo.com>
> UV light is a problem for them.
First
- Sorry for my misspelling of Seattle!
Next
- Kurt, Thanks for your thoughts. Yes, UV exposure eventually causes the float
shell material to become brittle.
These floats are reported to be new/never installed/flown - no significant UV exposure.
They've been stored in a hanger. I expect "new smell" or at least new
look. Hopefully no hanger rash. I understand they're unpacked and partially
inflated (rather than folded) and there should be indications of zero use.
I'm hoping a quick visual would confirm new, unpacked but unused condition.
Richard
Do not achive
--------
Richard in SW Michigan
Model 1 / 618 - full-lotus floats (restoration)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=31620#31620
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| Subject: | Re: Grounding of fuel tanks |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: PWilson <pwmac@sisna.com>
Kurt, good point Always ground the plane before starting the fueling
process. A built up charge may be present. One thing to remember is
that the first line of defense from static discharge during fueling
is that the fuel nozzle always be in contact with the tank inlet
during fueling. This practice is the reason that the planes that do
not have the filler neck grounded to the airframe have not had an
incident. This likewise applies to funnels whether conductive or not.
Never let the gasoline squirt into a vessel without contact between
the vessel and the source of the fuel. Example: do not pour fuel into
a funnel unless the Jerry can spout is in contact with the funnel.
Not sure the chain from the filler neck to bottom of the tank has
merit. This is because the static charge buildup is the result of the
liquid flowing thru the vapor above the liquid surface. Thus if there
is a ground path from the source (say a fill nozzle) to the flowing
stream there will not be arcing.
Regards, Paul
=====================
At 06:31 AM 4/29/2006, you wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>
>Hi Guy,
>
>I was once working on my old RV (Rec Vehicle) and
>happened to have the power supply plugged in. While
>rolling under the vehicle I grabbed the step and got a
>buzz. I took my volt meter and stuck one end in the
>dirt gap between the concrete slabs and put the other
>end on the RV. 40 volts AC! It was enough to go thru
>me to the concrete. (Bad RV wiring somewhere)
>
>Remembering that fuel trucks use chains, other trucks
>use grounding straps, and planes have static wicks, I
>think that they do work.
>
>I bet your system is working too Guy.
>
>The longest spark I saw from an aircraft, other than
>lightening, was from a hovering helo. It was about 3
>feet long and struck a man on the ground. Got his
>attention and mine! I saw it from 200 yards away!
>
>Kurt S.
>
>--- Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com> wrote:
>
> > Somewhat off topic. I didn't have the neck grounded,
> > but recognized the
> > requirement. I now have a couple of electrical
> > clamps with 15' of 14ga test
> > lead wire between them. On each clamp I've attached
> > about a foot of light
> > chain. One chain goes in the tank during fill with
> > the clamp on the filler
> > neck. The other clamp goes on the axle with the
> > chain on the ground. I pour
> > a little water on the ground chain for additional
> > contact. I'm hoping this
> > will get any static buildup on the gasoline surface
> > to ground.
> >
> > If I were going to go to the trouble of grounding
> > the filler neck, I'd
> > attach a conductive chain from the filler neck long
> > enough to reach the
> > bottom of the tank.
> >
> > Guy Buchanan
> > K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob
> > Ducar.
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Hi Roger,
The original Kitfox company was Denney Aerocraft. This left room for other
projects besides the Kitfox kit. SkyStar continued in this vein, and for a
while had the Pulsar kits.
Cheers,
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> The new name makes perfect sense. I never understood where the name Sky
> Star
> came from. Besides, it's not a SkyStar aircraft, it's a KITFOX. This is
> more
> great news John, can't wait to check out the new web site.
> Roger Mac
> 12 hours, and loving it
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Joel Mapes" <foxfloatflyer@hotmail.com>
Hi Kurt,
According to the original schedule I should have a hundred hours or more
experience to report on the Dynon. Sadly, I have it in the panel but am
about a month (I know, you've heard THAT one before) from flying. Sitting in
the cockpit on the ground, the Dynon looks great. The only steam gauge I
have is backup airspeed but I do have the internal battery backup in the
Dynon.
Randy, thanks for posting your hanger door picks. I plan to begin
construction on my lakefront property next summer. I hope to be living the
dream of a hangered floatplane in the basement in a few years.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Joel Mapes" <foxfloatflyer@hotmail.com>
Hi Richard,
I based at PWT, but am working with the NWEAA and WSPA, organizing a
splash-in for float planes in conjunction with the Arlington Airshow. I will
be flying to Arlington May 8 for a work party. If that is soon enough for
your needs I would be happy to take a look at the floats for you. Kurt's
suggestion to contact Lotus is an excellent idea and if you do, just forward
their inspection recommendations to me by May 7.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan Daniels <aldaniels@fmtcblue.com>
I have a KY-97a installed in my Fox. It has been working great, but
today it was stuck on TX. Not solid to start with, just flickering and
then off and them on full all the time. I thought it was a bad mic
button so wanting to fly I cut one of the wires and was just going to
use the passenger side PTT, but it made no difference. I pulled the seat
and undid a connection and it made no difference. I could not find
anything wrong with the wire and it indicated 0 ohms with the power off,
and 5.45 volts with the power on. Any ideas. Bad radio.
Thanks
Alan
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Hi Alan,
Did you install it and do you have the wiring diagram?
Not sure on that model, but the TX switch is usually
grounded thru your TX buttons to cause the radio to
transmit. If so, it should have the wire running from
the radio to your TX buttons and then to a ground.
With the switches not activated and the radio off, it
should have some resistance at the point it comes out
of the radio to the TX switches.
Second thing to check is to disconnect the wire to
your transmit buttons right at the radio and see if it
stops transmitting when turned on. Also check the
resistance between that wire to the buttons and
ground. It should show open and not shorted to
ground. Both checks are for a grounded TX wire.
If it still TXs with this wire disconnected, it is
most likely in the radio. Bad do do and $ to repair
uness you have a friend or someone else here knows
what they are doing with it.
Of course if your radio is not triggered by "pulling
to ground" then you need to get into that diagram to
go further anyway.
Kurt S. S-5
--- Alan Daniels <aldaniels@fmtcblue.com> wrote:
> I have a KY-97a installed in my Fox. It has been
> working great, but
> today it was stuck on TX. Not solid to start with,
> just flickering and
> then off and them on full all the time. I thought it
> was a bad mic
> button so wanting to fly I cut one of the wires and
> was just going to
> use the passenger side PTT, but it made no
> difference. I pulled the seat
> and undid a connection and it made no difference. I
> could not find
> anything wrong with the wire and it indicated 0 ohms
> with the power off,
> and 5.45 volts with the power on. Any ideas. Bad
> radio.
>
> Thanks
>
> Alan
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Richard Rabbers" <rira1950@yahoo.com>
Joel,
Thanks for your offer.
I've checked with the seller with hopes to coordinate with your 5/8 visit at Arlington.
The seller is in Nevada and has had health some problems .... It sounds
like he will miss the 8th by a few days so a miss on your generous offer ....
though thank you very much.
He's reiterated that the floats have not seen service or UV exposer.
I'll pursue the folks at F-L to see if they have any suggested test method. I'd
say 'feel' or 'sound' would be used to judge relative stiffness. A fabric reference
sample would help.... I have some 'new' fabric and may be able to obtain
some 'used/aged' fabric also. I'll send samples to the seller so it will be
available if/when I get lucky enough to match up a list volunteer to be my eyes
and hands.
Thanks again!
Richard
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Oh, I forgot. Grounded yet. Sorry. I was distracted
by hangar door dreams too.
Where is this lake front property anyway?
My ideal plan is to have a runway on one side and a
hangar on the other, somewhere in the Rockies.
Somewhere that I can afford.... With fish and birds
and wildlife. Animals too. ;-)
Second question: How are the aerocomp floats? At
least weight wise and apparent toughness?
I am 20 miles from the AeroComp factory now and some
floats are in the future. I havent committed to
plastic, metal or rubber yet, but like the amphib
idea.
Kurt S.
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--- Joel Mapes <foxfloatflyer@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Kurt,
> According to the original schedule I should have a
> hundred hours or more
> experience to report on the Dynon. Sadly, I have it
> in the panel but am
> about a month (I know, you've heard THAT one before)
> from flying. Sitting in
> the cockpit on the ground, the Dynon looks great.
> The only steam gauge I
> have is backup airspeed but I do have the internal
> battery backup in the
> Dynon.
>
> Randy, thanks for posting your hanger door picks. I
> plan to begin
> construction on my lakefront property next summer. I
> hope to be living the
> dream of a hangered floatplane in the basement in a
> few years.
>
>
> Joel
> Model 5 912 GTA CS prop Aerocomp amphibs
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Glad you are keeping us straight Paul.
Without everything grounded, it probably is a good
idea to touch the can or hose to the unopened cap
first, then open the cap to fuel.
But I am counting on good looks and luck right now
myself. Too many things to make right and not enough
time to do them all, darn. Glad others learn this
stuff here before they build too far. I got here to
late to run the filler neck wire under the fabric.
Got to do make shift corrections until to-dos and
time come together.
Kurt S.
--- PWilson <pwmac@sisna.com> wrote:
> Kurt, good point Always ground the plane before
> starting the fueling
> process. A built up charge may be present. One
> thing to remember is
> that the first line of defense from static discharge
> during fueling
> is that the fuel nozzle always be in contact with
> the tank inlet
> during fueling. This practice is the reason that the
> planes that do
> not have the filler neck grounded to the airframe
> have not had an
> incident. This likewise applies to funnels whether
> conductive or not.
> Never let the gasoline squirt into a vessel without
> contact between
> the vessel and the source of the fuel. Example: do
> not pour fuel into
> a funnel unless the Jerry can spout is in contact
> with the funnel.
> Not sure the chain from the filler neck to bottom of
> the tank has
> merit. This is because the static charge buildup is
> the result of the
> liquid flowing thru the vapor above the liquid
> surface. Thus if there
> is a ground path from the source (say a fill nozzle)
> to the flowing
> stream there will not be arcing.
> Regards, Paul
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson" <janderson412@hotmail.com>
Easy to make a manual shut off perhaps caps?
From: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Overheating
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
<smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Rick,
I thought of having a sliding grate on the underside
of the louvers controlled by a thermostat using the
temp above the intake filter. Still a dream, not a
plan yet.
Yes, I can make my plane more complex.... After all,
what can go wrong, go wrong, go wrong.....
Kurt S.
--- wingsdown <wingsdown@comcast.net> wrote:
>Not sure if I posted my vents shots, but was not to
>hard. Now to shut
>them on and off now that's a bigger deal for sure.
>
>Rick
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson" <janderson412@hotmail.com>
Ha ha when does it end. My good lady jibes me about finishing my plane. She
just smiles when I tell her, now that it's flying it's a new beginning...
From: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Overheating
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
<smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
John,
Dont know how many times I wish I had an EFI Soob
with dual plug heads. Wish Rick ran a Soob upgrade
business here in the U.S. since he knows how to turn
straw into gold.
Whenever I get the time Ill:
Put in Dual plug heads,
Install EFI
Install a larger capacity oil pump
Install SS valves
Install better pistons and parts from Rick
Improve my fuel system for better service and
reliability
Add cowl louvers
Finish my VG testing and installation
Add more drag reducing devices
on and on...
At least I dont need to build another Fox right now
to stay in the builders circle. ha ha ;-)
kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo
--- John Anderson <janderson412@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Well, no carb icing problems for me being EFI. But
> the louvers sure are
> effective at getting rid of the residual heat, plus
> they aid the intercooler
> too. John
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Sid Hausding <avidsid@yahoo.com>
Kurt,
I'm coming down to live with you and work at the Comp Air factory.....I'll make
your floats for ya...........seems to me they are the lightest and toughest
going right now. Using carbon stuff..........pricey, but they all are now.
And they will make the amphibs too.............
Sid
do you really live that close to Merritt Island? I'm not going to work for them,
but would......love that "Monster Comp" four place.
---------------------
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
Oh, I forgot. Grounded yet. Sorry. I was distracted
by hangar door dreams too.
Where is this lake front property anyway?
My ideal plan is to have a runway on one side and a
hangar on the other, somewhere in the Rockies.
Somewhere that I can afford.... With fish and birds
and wildlife. Animals too. ;-)
Second question: How are the aerocomp floats? At
least weight wise and apparent toughness?
I am 20 miles from the AeroComp factory now and some
floats are in the future. I havent committed to
plastic, metal or rubber yet, but like the amphib
idea.
Kurt S.
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--- Joel Mapes wrote:
> Hi Kurt,
> According to the original schedule I should have a
> hundred hours or more
> experience to report on the Dynon. Sadly, I have it
> in the panel but am
> about a month (I know, you've heard THAT one before)
> from flying. Sitting in
> the cockpit on the ground, the Dynon looks great.
> The only steam gauge I
> have is backup airspeed but I do have the internal
> battery backup in the
> Dynon.
>
> Randy, thanks for posting your hanger door picks. I
> plan to begin
> construction on my lakefront property next summer. I
> hope to be living the
> dream of a hangered floatplane in the basement in a
> few years.
>
>
> Joel
> Model 5 912 GTA CS prop Aerocomp amphibs
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Sounds like you found a good deal. If they havent
been creased too badly where folded and no critters
eating them, you probably got good ones.
Kurt S.
--- Richard Rabbers <rira1950@yahoo.com> wrote:
> - Kurt, Thanks for your thoughts. Yes, UV exposure
> eventually causes the float shell material to become
> brittle.
>
> These floats are reported to be new/never
> installed/flown - no significant UV exposure.
> They've been stored in a hanger. I expect "new
> smell" or at least new look. Hopefully no hanger
> rash. I understand they're unpacked and partially
> inflated (rather than folded) and there should be
> indications of zero use.
>
> I'm hoping a quick visual would confirm new,
> unpacked but unused condition.
>
> Richard
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
I am just a hop, skip and a gelendishsprung away from
Merrit Island myself. Nice bunch at CompAir with a
wide range of products now. Even a jet or turboprop
powered fast glass coming along for those with mucho
deneros. I favor the -6 or -7 for sleeping quarters
for 2 in the wild. My bank favors a kite.
I wonder about the carbon fiber. According to ACS,
that is not good impact resistance (Hello NASA) so
when I used it on my wing strut fairings, I covered it
with S glass. Thin Kevlar over carbon would be better
for bullet proof floats. Not cheap anyway you do it.
Kurt S.
--- Sid Hausding <avidsid@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Kurt,
> I'm coming down to live with you and work at the
> Comp Air factory.....I'll make your floats for
> ya...........seems to me they are the lightest and
> toughest going right now. Using carbon
> stuff..........pricey, but they all are now. And
> they will make the amphibs too.............
> Sid
> do you really live that close to Merritt Island?
> I'm not going to work for them, but would......love
> that "Monster Comp" four place.
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| Subject: | Arctic Sparrow modification |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Burke <jeburke94je@direcway.com>
Hi Guys, I'm looking for the Arctic Sparrow modified documents so I can make the
mod. to my new bing carbs, or someone interested in doing the mods for $$. I
currently have the HAC manual but would be more interested in changing the needle
jet in flight and changing the jetting as needed for seasonal use.
Thanks in advance,
Jim N94JE
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Richard Rabbers" <rira1950@yahoo.com>
> Kurt > ~... sounds like you got a good deal.. if .. no creases / no critters
> ~
hope so / hope not...
I learned that the seller is also a sailor and that we've covered alot of the same
ground by air and / or sea.
He's still concerned that all is checked out and the transaction is clean.
A conciencious seller is always welcome!
The gray color - traditional and matching my plane caps it all off.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
John,
Manual cockpit controlled louvers are something else
to disconnect before you can remove the cowl, but
simple and reliable otherwise. A consideration.
I have 2 side openings on my lower cowl for cooling
that I can fix closed or open after cowl removal.
Ground adjustable?
I find the best answer is the simple one that is
totally obvious after 100s of hours of planning and
final completion....
Kurt S.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan Daniels <aldaniels@fmtcblue.com>
It is a ground to TX with a PTT to each stick. With the wires
disconnected it is still on TX. The pilot button has no effect, but the
co-pilot side clicks when pushed which leads me to believe that it is in
the radio, but as with all things like this there is someone that knows
more than me. It is almost new but out of warranty due to shop time. I
will call the avionics shop on Monday to see what they say, but their
solution will be expensive.
Thanks Kurt.
Alan
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>
> Hi Alan,
>
> Did you install it and do you have the wiring diagram?
>
> Not sure on that model, but the TX switch is usually
> grounded thru your TX buttons to cause the radio to
> transmit. If so, it should have the wire running from
> the radio to your TX buttons and then to a ground.
>
> With the switches not activated and the radio off, it
> should have some resistance at the point it comes out
> of the radio to the TX switches.
>
> Second thing to check is to disconnect the wire to
> your transmit buttons right at the radio and see if it
> stops transmitting when turned on. Also check the
> resistance between that wire to the buttons and
> ground. It should show open and not shorted to
> ground. Both checks are for a grounded TX wire.
>
> If it still TXs with this wire disconnected, it is
> most likely in the radio. Bad do do and $ to repair
> uness you have a friend or someone else here knows
> what they are doing with it.
>
> Of course if your radio is not triggered by "pulling
> to ground" then you need to get into that diagram to
> go further anyway.
>
> Kurt S. S-5
>
> --- Alan Daniels <aldaniels@fmtcblue.com> wrote:
>
>
>> I have a KY-97a installed in my Fox. It has been
>> working great, but
>> today it was stuck on TX. Not solid to start with,
>> just flickering and
>> then off and them on full all the time. I thought it
>> was a bad mic
>> button so wanting to fly I cut one of the wires and
>> was just going to
>> use the passenger side PTT, but it made no
>> difference. I pulled the seat
>> and undid a connection and it made no difference. I
>> could not find
>> anything wrong with the wire and it indicated 0 ohms
>> with the power off,
>> and 5.45 volts with the power on. Any ideas. Bad
>> radio.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Alan
>>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rob Stapleton" <foto@alaska.net>
Jim,
Lanse Welsh here in Anchorage took over doing the Bing Carb mixture control.
Send me your phone and I will have him call you. He is doing some Coast
Guard training in California right now. So it might be a few days before I
can round him up.
Rob
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Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2006 4:17 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Arctic Sparrow modification
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Burke <jeburke94je@direcway.com>
Hi Guys, I'm looking for the Arctic Sparrow modified documents so I can make
the mod. to my new bing carbs, or someone interested in doing the mods for
$$. I currently have the HAC manual but would be more interested in changing
the needle jet in flight and changing the jetting as needed for seasonal
use.
Thanks in advance,
Jim N94JE
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Sid Hausding <avidsid@yahoo.com>
aeroelectric site has the schematic is that might help chase down a shorted or
bare wire...........not complicated.
Sid
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Alan Daniels <aldaniels@fmtcblue.com> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan Daniels
It is a ground to TX with a PTT to each stick. With the wires
disconnected it is still on TX. The pilot button has no effect, but the
co-pilot side clicks when pushed which leads me to believe that it is in
the radio, but as with all things like this there is someone that knows
more than me. It is almost new but out of warranty due to shop time. I
will call the avionics shop on Monday to see what they say, but their
solution will be expensive.
Thanks Kurt.
Alan
kurt schrader wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
>
> Hi Alan,
>
> Did you install it and do you have the wiring diagram?
>
> Not sure on that model, but the TX switch is usually
> grounded thru your TX buttons to cause the radio to
> transmit. If so, it should have the wire running from
> the radio to your TX buttons and then to a ground.
>
> With the switches not activated and the radio off, it
> should have some resistance at the point it comes out
> of the radio to the TX switches.
>
> Second thing to check is to disconnect the wire to
> your transmit buttons right at the radio and see if it
> stops transmitting when turned on. Also check the
> resistance between that wire to the buttons and
> ground. It should show open and not shorted to
> ground. Both checks are for a grounded TX wire.
>
> If it still TXs with this wire disconnected, it is
> most likely in the radio. Bad do do and $ to repair
> uness you have a friend or someone else here knows
> what they are doing with it.
>
> Of course if your radio is not triggered by "pulling
> to ground" then you need to get into that diagram to
> go further anyway.
>
> Kurt S. S-5
>
> --- Alan Daniels wrote:
>
>
>> I have a KY-97a installed in my Fox. It has been
>> working great, but
>> today it was stuck on TX. Not solid to start with,
>> just flickering and
>> then off and them on full all the time. I thought it
>> was a bad mic
>> button so wanting to fly I cut one of the wires and
>> was just going to
>> use the passenger side PTT, but it made no
>> difference. I pulled the seat
>> and undid a connection and it made no difference. I
>> could not find
>> anything wrong with the wire and it indicated 0 ohms
>> with the power off,
>> and 5.45 volts with the power on. Any ideas. Bad
>> radio.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Alan
>>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Sid Hausding <avidsid@yahoo.com>
your Austrian is atrotious, but seems you may also have some alpine sking in your
background...........?
Not sure of the floats, have seen them at Oshkosh, but nothing really to compare
to. Ah money, the root of all desires..........
Sid
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kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
I am just a hop, skip and a gelendishsprung away from
Merrit Island myself. Nice bunch at CompAir with a
wide range of products now. Even a jet or turboprop
powered fast glass coming along for those with mucho
deneros. I favor the -6 or -7 for sleeping quarters
for 2 in the wild. My bank favors a kite.
I wonder about the carbon fiber. According to ACS,
that is not good impact resistance (Hello NASA) so
when I used it on my wing strut fairings, I covered it
with S glass. Thin Kevlar over carbon would be better
for bullet proof floats. Not cheap anyway you do it.
Kurt S.
--- Sid Hausding wrote:
> Kurt,
> I'm coming down to live with you and work at the
> Comp Air factory.....I'll make your floats for
> ya...........seems to me they are the lightest and
> toughest going right now. Using carbon
> stuff..........pricey, but they all are now. And
> they will make the amphibs too.............
> Sid
> do you really live that close to Merritt Island?
> I'm not going to work for them, but would......love
> that "Monster Comp" four place.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Yes Sid, try to find that in your spellcheck,
especially here in Brazil where I am for the night.
Skiing? Is that where you strap 2 boards to your feet
and go down hill on your butt? I claim more desire
than experiese. Looking for that alpine homestead in
the Rockies though.
Kurt S.
Do not archive
--- Sid Hausding <avidsid@yahoo.com> wrote:
> your Austrian is atrotious, but seems you may also
> have some alpine sking in your
background...........?
> Not sure of the floats, have seen them at Oshkosh,
> but nothing really to compare to. Ah money, the
> root of all desires..........
> Sid
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson" <janderson412@hotmail.com>
I was thinking REAL simple Kurt....have an externally hand operated, after
shutdown and cool down slide closed. I'm thinking more of summer/winter use
and to keep water out when standing (if it has to stand out) Feeling
frustrated, nice day but 20kt easterly and I need to fly...ha ha
From: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Overheating
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
<smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
John,
Manual cockpit controlled louvers are something else
to disconnect before you can remove the cowl, but
simple and reliable otherwise. A consideration.
I have 2 side openings on my lower cowl for cooling
that I can fix closed or open after cowl removal.
Ground adjustable?
I find the best answer is the simple one that is
totally obvious after 100s of hours of planning and
final completion....
Kurt S.
--- John Anderson <janderson412@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Easy to make a manual shut off perhaps caps?
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: James Shumaker <jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net>
Alan
The 5.45 volts...is that the voltage into the radio? If the voltage into the
radio is too low you will get all sorts of strange symptoms. Like it may say
transmit when it is not. That would mean a loose power connection.
Jim Shumaker
Alan Daniels <aldaniels@fmtcblue.com> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan Daniels
I have a KY-97a installed in my Fox. It has been working great, but
today it was stuck on TX. Not solid to start with, just flickering and
then off and them on full all the time. I thought it was a bad mic
button so wanting to fly I cut one of the wires and was just going to
use the passenger side PTT, but it made no difference. I pulled the seat
and undid a connection and it made no difference. I could not find
anything wrong with the wire and it indicated 0 ohms with the power off,
and 5.45 volts with the power on. Any ideas. Bad radio.
Thanks
Alan
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
At 05:31 AM 4/29/2006, you wrote:
>The longest spark I saw from an aircraft, other than
>lightening, was from a hovering helo. It was about 3
>feet long and struck a man on the ground. Got his
>attention and mine! I saw it from 200 yards away!
Before Navy helicopters land on ship, they are first discharged with an 8'
wand connected via a huge cable to the ship. I've seen it.
Guy
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