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1. 04:01 AM - Re: tail spring (Clifford Begnaud)
2. 04:03 AM - Re: selling my 912 powered Model IV (Rob Stapleton)
3. 06:03 AM - Re: tail spring (Ben Baltrusaitis)
4. 08:35 AM - Wanted: 8.50x6 Tires and Tubes... (darinh)
5. 08:47 AM - Re: selling my 912 powered Model IV (Randy Daughenbaugh)
6. 10:13 AM - Re: Kitfox Aircraft (Rueb, Duane)
7. 10:37 AM - Re: Wanted: 8.50x6 Tires and Tubes... (Alan Daniels)
8. 10:47 AM - (kenneth schooley)
9. 10:56 AM - Re: Wanted: 8.50x6 Tires and Tubes... (Michel Verheughe)
10. 11:23 AM - Re: Wanted: 8.50x6 Tires and Tubes... (Richard Rabbers)
11. 11:50 AM - Re: tail spring (John Anderson)
12. 11:54 AM - Re: Wanted: 8.50x6 Tires and Tubes... (Alan Daniels)
13. 12:04 PM - transport (Alan Daniels)
14. 12:58 PM - Re: Houston-area Kitfoxers? (AMuller589@aol.com)
15. 12:58 PM - Re: transport (Larry Huntley)
16. 01:05 PM - Re: Wanted: 8.50x6 Tires and Tubes... (Larry Huntley)
17. 01:18 PM - Re: tail spring (Clifford Begnaud)
18. 01:25 PM - Re: tail spring (Clifford Begnaud)
19. 02:29 PM - Re: tail spring (Rueb, Duane)
20. 02:59 PM - Aluminum Tail Wheel Spring (Peter Graichen)
21. 03:41 PM - Re: Aluminum Tail Wheel Spring (Rueb, Duane)
22. 03:52 PM - Re: Aluminum Tail Wheel Spring (John Anderson)
23. 06:19 PM - Kitfox aircraft LLC (Lowell Fitt)
24. 06:24 PM - Fw: Google Alert - Kitfox aircraft (Clem Nichols)
25. 06:37 PM - Wheel Question?? (RAY Gignac)
26. 07:10 PM - Re: MATCO PART NEEDED (Ron Liebmann)
27. 07:32 PM - Re: MATCO PART NEEDED (Dave and Diane)
28. 07:52 PM - Re: Wanted: 8.50x6 Tires and Tubes... (david yeamans)
29. 07:59 PM - Re: MATCO PART NEEDED (Donald STEVENSON)
30. 08:22 PM - Re: Wanted: 8.50x6 Tires and Tubes... (Dee Young)
31. 08:22 PM - Re: Wanted: 8.50x6 Tires and Tubes... (Dee Young)
32. 11:33 PM - Official Kitfox-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
33. 11:33 PM - Official Kitfox-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
Contact John McBean at http://www.sportplanellc.com/
I helped him with the dimensions for a steel tailwheel spring last year and
I'm flying with the prototype, it's purrrfect. I know that he had made a
small batch of them and might have some left.
Stay away from the aluminum springs! I broke two of them.
Cliff
-----Original Message-----
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: dwight purdy
I have finally experienced the rudder stopping power of the dreaded
broken
tail spring.
Is anyone selling them for the model II? Have a fly-in this weekend I
hate to miss.
dwight
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| Subject: | selling my 912 powered Model IV |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rob Stapleton" <foto@alaska.net>
There is a Kitfox for sale here in Anchorage at a car lot off of the Old
Seward Highway. Painted Yellow with silver trim. Not sure about the engine.
RS
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sid Hausding
Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 1:32 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: selling my 912 powered Model IV
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Sid Hausding <avidsid@yahoo.com>
buying in Houston, trailering to Seattle and barging or ferrying north is
not out of the question and not that expensive considering the distance and
getting the trailer with the plane too.........time is the only deciding
factor and then that wouldn't take all that lone either......
IMO
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flier <flier@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier"
Hi Layne,
I appreciate the inquiry but Houston to Anchorage would be quite a move! If
I find the right buyer I'd also be looking to let it go as a package since
the trailer is built specifically for it.
Thanks again,
Ted
www.foxflier.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
debrun26@juno.com
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 11:56 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Considering selling my 912 powered Model IV
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "debrun26@juno.com"
Hi Ted, I'm looking for a kitfox just like yours so I was glad to se=
e the foto's of your plane. I showed my wife the one with the smoke on =
and told her you were having engine problems. She didn't think that was=
a good sign. I told her I thought I could adjust it to not smoke. I'v=
e actually been looking for 6 months... there is one for sale close by b=
ut I'd muce rather have yours with the ferrings and 27gal of fuel instea=
d of 18. The only problem is transporting it here. Any ideas? do you =
deliver. Oh, by the way... I live in Anchorage, Alaska. Would you cons=
ider taking a vacation of a life time and I would buy you a plane ticket=
back. I don't think I could drive it up here on the Al/Can highway w/o=
it needing a new paint job due to the flying rock damage. Let me know =
your thoughts and if you would sell it w/o the trailer. I am getting re=
ady to learn to fly and would like to learn in my own taildragger which =
I've heard is the most supid idea... but other cfi's have said it could =
work. One friend told me he could teach me and then I could get a cfi t=
o check me out. Another friend said if I found a plane in the lower 48 =
I could hire a cfi to fly it up with me and I'd know how to fly by the t=
ime I got home. I guess you could say I'm going through mid life crisis=
at age 52 and need a new challenge. E-mail back with any ideas, L=
ayne Cropper e-mail: debrun26@juno.com ph; 907-569-2767 =
=
"Why can't we all just get along?"
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ben Baltrusaitis" <ben@gmpexpress.net>
That's interesting, Cliff. I went to a spring maker here to get a steel =
spring and he told me that aluminum is better than steel for springs and =
that the big trucks are using aluminum.
Ben
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Clifford Begnaud=20
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com=20
Sent: 05/01/2006 6:57 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: tail spring
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" =
<shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
Contact John McBean at http://www.sportplanellc.com/
I helped him with the dimensions for a steel tailwheel spring last =
year and=20
I'm flying with the prototype, it's purrrfect. I know that he had made =
a=20
small batch of them and might have some left.
Stay away from the aluminum springs! I broke two of them.
Cliff
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| Subject: | Wanted: 8.50x6 Tires and Tubes... |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net>
Anyone out there have a set of tires and tubes laying around they would part with?
I am looking for some 8.50x6...preferably McCreary but would look at any
of this size. Thought I would check before ordering a set.
Thanks,
Darin
Series 7
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=32045#32045
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| Subject: | selling my 912 powered Model IV |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Rob,
I like the Ben Franklin quote! Very appropriate today!
Randy
Do not archive
.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Stapleton
Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 5:03 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: selling my 912 powered Model IV
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rob Stapleton" <foto@alaska.net>
There is a Kitfox for sale here in Anchorage at a car lot off of the Old
Seward Highway. Painted Yellow with silver trim. Not sure about the engine.
RS
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sid Hausding
Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 1:32 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: selling my 912 powered Model IV
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Sid Hausding <avidsid@yahoo.com>
buying in Houston, trailering to Seattle and barging or ferrying north is
not out of the question and not that expensive considering the distance and
getting the trailer with the plane too.........time is the only deciding
factor and then that wouldn't take all that lone either......
IMO
-------------------
flier <flier@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier"
Hi Layne,
I appreciate the inquiry but Houston to Anchorage would be quite a move! If
I find the right buyer I'd also be looking to let it go as a package since
the trailer is built specifically for it.
Thanks again,
Ted
www.foxflier.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
debrun26@juno.com
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 11:56 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Considering selling my 912 powered Model IV
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "debrun26@juno.com"
Hi Ted, I'm looking for a kitfox just like yours so I was glad to se=
e the foto's of your plane. I showed my wife the one with the smoke on =
and told her you were having engine problems. She didn't think that was=
a good sign. I told her I thought I could adjust it to not smoke. I'v=
e actually been looking for 6 months... there is one for sale close by b=
ut I'd muce rather have yours with the ferrings and 27gal of fuel instea=
d of 18. The only problem is transporting it here. Any ideas? do you =
deliver. Oh, by the way... I live in Anchorage, Alaska. Would you cons=
ider taking a vacation of a life time and I would buy you a plane ticket=
back. I don't think I could drive it up here on the Al/Can highway w/o=
it needing a new paint job due to the flying rock damage. Let me know =
your thoughts and if you would sell it w/o the trailer. I am getting re=
ady to learn to fly and would like to learn in my own taildragger which =
I've heard is the most supid idea... but other cfi's have said it could =
work. One friend told me he could teach me and then I could get a cfi t=
o check me out. Another friend said if I found a plane in the lower 48 =
I could hire a cfi to fly it up with me and I'd know how to fly by the t=
ime I got home. I guess you could say I'm going through mid life crisis=
at age 52 and need a new challenge. E-mail back with any ideas, L=
ayne Cropper e-mail: debrun26@juno.com ph; 907-569-2767 =
=
"Why can't we all just get along?"
---------------------------------
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rueb, Duane" <ruebd@skymail.csus.edu>
John and Debra
Sounds right to me! The name is good and sensible. Are there
any longer control sticks for the V than the ones in mine (N24ZM)? Are
there any augmentation kits for the seats to raise the bottom and to
bring forward the back? I have rigged some cushions which work well, but
a more permanent solution would be nice. I find that the visibility is
much improved by adding something to the seat, both bottom and back (I
am fairly normal sized at 5'10", 190lb). My instructor thinks that the
control stick should be longer to de-sensitize and to help with the high
forces. (I haven't yet installed the "help me Joe" kit that I purchased
from you, but he thinks that this is an issue beyond what the
spring/flap coupling kit will address. I want to see what I think after
installing it.
But now that I have some experience with the airplane, I am
thinking that the elevator could have benefited from the classic forward
of hinge line portion on the outer extremity, as is done on so many
airplanes to act as servo. I realize that this is not just a matter of
changing the elevator, but the stabilizer plan profile also. My
instructor and I are very impressed with the aileron response and the
very nimble roll rate, and neither he nor I feel any concern about
rudder force, and after all, our legs are pretty strong. (My point
there is that rudder servo isn't something that is needed.) Now, I do
realize that my machine has a 'heavy' engine relative to design spec,
and I have read on the list that some folks claim much improvement by
the addition of say, 10lb in the tail. If that would be a good
solution, I would consider the idea of a tool locker back there
(something useful, not just total dead weight).
Answer me only at your convenience, working these things in as
can be gracefully done on your end, and after you have had a chance to
think about and process these issues. Please do not feel burdened by
any of these questions and comments, I lodge them with you because you
are the major source of knowledge about Kitfoxes, and my first source
for things I need to support mine. And now that you are the factory,
this is good for all of us as owner/pilots, and I, for one, want it to
be a good thing for you all there too.
Duane Rueb
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jdmcbean
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 7:30 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Aircraft
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
OK Guys It has been a very busy last couple of weeks and we felt that it
was time for a brief update.
1st.. I would really like to thank everyone for the incredible support
and
offers of assistance. What a great feeling !
Our primary focus is to support the Kitfox builders with the
manufactured
parts needed. While the cleanup and organization is on going, we are
starting to produce parts.
We have secured a lease using the existing facility at the Caldwell
airport.
We are actively working towards our new facility.
We will be producing full kits in the fall.
Airshows We are going to be at Oshkosh.. North Aircraft Display space
426.
We are working on a parking area for Kitfoxs in the custom built area
just
to the East of space 426.
And last but not least.. The name..
KITFOX Aircraft LLC
We are working on a web now In the mean time visit www.sportplanellc.com
<http://www.sportplanellc.com/> for updated info.. There will be a link
from there to the new site when it is up and running.
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com <http://www.sportplanellc.com/>
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
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| Subject: | Re: Wanted: 8.50x6 Tires and Tubes... |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan Daniels <aldaniels@fmtcblue.com>
Good luck on tubes. If anyone knows were to get some I need two. Most
everyone has been out of stock for three months or so.
Alan
darinh wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net>
>
> Anyone out there have a set of tires and tubes laying around they would part
with? I am looking for some 8.50x6...preferably McCreary but would look at any
of this size. Thought I would check before ordering a set.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Darin
> Series 7
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> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=32045#32045
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kenneth schooley" <klschooley@hotmail.com>
I have decided to sell my new Kitfox model 7-A. It can be sold with or
without a low time Lyc. 0-234L2C it is over 50% built and comes with some
nice accessories. Please phone Ken @760-728-2450. I will price it to sell.
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| Subject: | Re: Wanted: 8.50x6 Tires and Tubes... |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Talking about tyres, I was wondering: Why must our tundra tyres be
smooth? When I look at other aircraft, I see that they all have tyres
with longitudinal grooves. The reason I ask, I am considering buying
new tyres. But I don't know what to look for because smooth ones are
not easy to find.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Wanted: 8.50x6 Tires and Tubes... |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Richard Rabbers" <rira1950@yahoo.com>
> Michel > Why must our tundra tyres be smooth?
I have a wild guess.
I'm curious if this is 'correct' - or 'reasonable'
- Could it be that... we don't need tread and tread adds weight we don't want ?????
--------
Richard in SW Michigan
Model 1 / 618 - full-lotus floats (restoration)
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson" <janderson412@hotmail.com>
Cliff, did your springs break due to normal flexing or was it because a weak
point was created from the spring rubbing on the steel mount/bolts? Heat
treated aluminum alloy is being used very successfully in many arenas now
days (spring main gear) but must be softly mounted to stop any chance
abrasion. John A.
From: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: tail spring
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud"
<shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
Contact John McBean at http://www.sportplanellc.com/
I helped him with the dimensions for a steel tailwheel spring last year and
I'm flying with the prototype, it's purrrfect. I know that he had made a
small batch of them and might have some left.
Stay away from the aluminum springs! I broke two of them.
Cliff
-----Original Message-----
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: dwight purdy
I have finally experienced the rudder stopping power of the dreaded
broken
tail spring.
Is anyone selling them for the model II? Have a fly-in this weekend I
hate to miss.
dwight
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| Subject: | Re: Wanted: 8.50x6 Tires and Tubes... |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan Daniels <aldaniels@fmtcblue.com>
They don't have to be smooth, but groves pick up rocks and mud and sling
it up on the wing. I use both and don't see a lot of difference. If you
land on pavement much and in the rain or snow go with normal tires.
Michel Verheughe wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
> Talking about tyres, I was wondering: Why must our tundra tyres be
> smooth? When I look at other aircraft, I see that they all have tyres
> with longitudinal grooves. The reason I ask, I am considering buying
> new tyres. But I don't know what to look for because smooth ones are
> not easy to find.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan Daniels <aldaniels@fmtcblue.com>
I sent one of my son's to the Chicago area on short notice with a Van's
aircraft kit in a 16 foot enclosed trailer. He will be there tomorrow,
and then down to the Burlington Iowa area until Thursday then back ( 50
miles west of Boise Idaho) . At the price of gas he is looking for
something to haul back this way. It would be ideal for an airplane kit.
I know its a long shot, but what the heck.
Alan
>
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| Subject: | Re: Houston-area Kitfoxers? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AMuller589@aol.com
My friend Robert Harms has a series V in the Houston area. He has no e-mail
but his phone is 713-944-9898 at home and 713-269-4578 car. he keeps it at
LaPorte and liives near Hobby Airport. He is retired but busy finishing some
work on his KF V so give him a call. I am available at home 281-480-4461 and car
281-639-1031. I am fairly familiar with his plane and we also had another
EAA member that has a KF 2 but don't have his number right now.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Larry Huntley" <asq1@adelphia.net>
How about a pickup in Aurora,NB? And where is home? Larry Huntley
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Daniels" <aldaniels@fmtcblue.com>
Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 3:03 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: transport
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Alan Daniels <aldaniels@fmtcblue.com>
>
> I sent one of my son's to the Chicago area on short notice with a Van's
> aircraft kit in a 16 foot enclosed trailer. He will be there tomorrow,
> and then down to the Burlington Iowa area until Thursday then back ( 50
> miles west of Boise Idaho) . At the price of gas he is looking for
> something to haul back this way. It would be ideal for an airplane kit.
> I know its a long shot, but what the heck.
>
> Alan
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| Subject: | Re: Wanted: 8.50x6 Tires and Tubes... |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Larry Huntley" <asq1@adelphia.net>
Michel,
If these are the "tundra tires" from the old Model 4, they were a three
wheeler? tire w/ the knobs cut off. Actually they are just a fat little
tire,hardly a tundra tire. Probably easier and cheaper not to cut grooves or
else there wasn't enough rubber left. I guess the rubber was pretty thin. I
have heard of people burning the rubber off them in 25 hrs,but I think you
would have to do a lot of screaming wheel landings to do that. Surprised
someone hasn't found a simple way to do this. I would like another set.
Larry Huntley
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel Verheughe" <michel@online.no>
Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 1:55 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wanted: 8.50x6 Tires and Tubes...
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
> Talking about tyres, I was wondering: Why must our tundra tyres be
> smooth? When I look at other aircraft, I see that they all have tyres
> with longitudinal grooves. The reason I ask, I am considering buying
> new tyres. But I don't know what to look for because smooth ones are
> not easy to find.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
I think that the problem with using aluminum for a tailwheel spring is the
way it concentrates the bending force in a small area. I think that the
aluminum there gets work hardened and brittle. In our main landing gear the
bending forces are spread out so there is no hardening. I'm not the only
person to break these aluminum tailwheel springs, beware!
Cliff
That's interesting, Cliff. I went to a spring maker here to get a steel =
spring and he told me that aluminum is better than steel for springs and =
that the big trucks are using aluminum.
Ben
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
John,
See my other post. The flexing occurs at the bend, this is where it breaks.
Keep in mind that this happened on two model 5's that I've owned. The
heavier kitfoxes put more load on the spring than do the earlier models.
Also, the aluminum spring is very stiff, I never did like the damned thing.
The 3 leaf steel spring that John McBean made for me is so much nicer. It's
heavier, but I needed some weight back there anyway. Models 2,3 and 4 could
probably work fine with only a 2 leaf steel spring.
Cliff
Cliff, did your springs break due to normal flexing or was it because a weak
point was created from the spring rubbing on the steel mount/bolts? Heat
treated aluminum alloy is being used very successfully in many arenas now
days (spring main gear) but must be softly mounted to stop any chance
abrasion. John A.
From: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: tail spring
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud"
<shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
Contact John McBean at http://www.sportplanellc.com/
I helped him with the dimensions for a steel tailwheel spring last year and
I'm flying with the prototype, it's purrrfect. I know that he had made a
small batch of them and might have some left.
Stay away from the aluminum springs! I broke two of them.
Cliff
-----Original Message-----
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: dwight purdy
I have finally experienced the rudder stopping power of the dreaded
broken
tail spring.
Is anyone selling them for the model II? Have a fly-in this weekend I
hate to miss.
dwight
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rueb, Duane" <ruebd@skymail.csus.edu>
Dear fellow Kitfoxers:
It strikes me as absurd to use aluminum for a multi leaf spring.
I suppose the motivation for doing this is weight savings, but the metal
cannot be a good choice due to it's natural characteristic to work
harden when flexed to that extent. Those of us who are flying Foxes
with heavier power plants actually need some weight back there, so we
certainly wouldn't want to trade high modulus, spring steel for work
hardening aluminum, cause the result is tail dragging to an extent we
really do not want, not to mention the clutter that we would distribute
on the runway when it breaks.
Did Skystar actually supply aluminum springs with the kits, and
if so on what models?
Duane Rueb
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clifford
Begnaud
Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: tail spring
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud"
<shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
John,
See my other post. The flexing occurs at the bend, this is where it
breaks.
Keep in mind that this happened on two model 5's that I've owned. The
heavier kitfoxes put more load on the spring than do the earlier models.
Also, the aluminum spring is very stiff, I never did like the damned
thing.
The 3 leaf steel spring that John McBean made for me is so much nicer.
It's
heavier, but I needed some weight back there anyway. Models 2,3 and 4
could
probably work fine with only a 2 leaf steel spring.
Cliff
Cliff, did your springs break due to normal flexing or was it because a
weak
point was created from the spring rubbing on the steel mount/bolts? Heat
treated aluminum alloy is being used very successfully in many arenas
now
days (spring main gear) but must be softly mounted to stop any chance
abrasion. John A.
From: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: tail spring
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud"
<shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
Contact John McBean at http://www.sportplanellc.com/
I helped him with the dimensions for a steel tailwheel spring last year
and
I'm flying with the prototype, it's purrrfect. I know that he had made a
small batch of them and might have some left.
Stay away from the aluminum springs! I broke two of them.
Cliff
-----Original Message-----
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: dwight purdy
I have finally experienced the rudder stopping power of the dreaded
broken
tail spring.
Is anyone selling them for the model II? Have a fly-in this weekend I
hate to miss.
dwight
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| Subject: | Aluminum Tail Wheel Spring |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Peter Graichen" <n10pg@neo.rr.com>
I have been flying my model 5 for eight years, i.e. 800 hrs (1600 landings)
on the same aluminum tail wheel spring, and my kitfox is VERY heavy.
In the first two years of operation, i.e. 200 hrs, I went thru rwo steel
leaf springs and one composit spring. Neither one was any good. The aluminum
one, if made of the proper alloy, proper dimensions and proper heat treating
is the best choice you can make.
Peter Graichen
http:/home.neo.rr.com/n10pg/kitfox.htm
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| Subject: | Aluminum Tail Wheel Spring |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rueb, Duane" <ruebd@skymail.csus.edu>
Peter:
Is your spring configured as a single or a multi leaf?
Duane Rueb
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter
Graichen
Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 2:58 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Aluminum Tail Wheel Spring
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Peter Graichen" <n10pg@neo.rr.com>
I have been flying my model 5 for eight years, i.e. 800 hrs (1600
landings)
on the same aluminum tail wheel spring, and my kitfox is VERY heavy.
In the first two years of operation, i.e. 200 hrs, I went thru rwo steel
leaf springs and one composit spring. Neither one was any good. The
aluminum
one, if made of the proper alloy, proper dimensions and proper heat
treating
is the best choice you can make.
Peter Graichen
http:/home.neo.rr.com/n10pg/kitfox.htm
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| Subject: | Aluminum Tail Wheel Spring |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson" <janderson412@hotmail.com>
Early days but pleased with mine too, although I soft mounted it. See
http://www.sportflight.com/cgi-bin/uploader.pl?action=view&epoch=1072508647
John A.
From: "Peter Graichen" <n10pg@neo.rr.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Aluminum Tail Wheel Spring
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Peter Graichen" <n10pg@neo.rr.com>
I have been flying my model 5 for eight years, i.e. 800 hrs (1600 landings)
on the same aluminum tail wheel spring, and my kitfox is VERY heavy.
In the first two years of operation, i.e. 200 hrs, I went thru rwo steel
leaf springs and one composit spring. Neither one was any good. The aluminum
one, if made of the proper alloy, proper dimensions and proper heat treating
is the best choice you can make.
Peter Graichen
http:/home.neo.rr.com/n10pg/kitfox.htm
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| Subject: | Kitfox aircraft LLC |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Good news, John,
I think the start is in the right direction - with the existing fleet. Hope
to see you soon - June.
Lowell
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| Subject: | Fw: Google Alert - Kitfox aircraft |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clem Nichols" <cnichols@scrtc.com>
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Google Alerts=20
Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 6:38 PM
Subject: Google Alert - Kitfox aircraft
Google Alert for: Kitfox aircraft=20
Aero-News Featured Aero-Casts For Monday 05.01.06
Aero-News Network - FL,USA
... challenges... and the excitement of keeping a well-respected =
homebuilt aircraft alive. So, what are McBean's plans for the Kitfox =
line... ...
-------------------------------------------------------------------------=
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This once a day Google Alert is brought to you by Google.=20
Remove this alert.=20
Create another alert.=20
Manage your alerts.=20
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| Subject: | Wheel Question?? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RAY Gignac" <KITFOXPILOT@msn.com>
I have recently upgraded my tire and wheel setup! I installed the =
upgraded grove axle to fit the Matco W62 split wheel. My problem is =
this, TIRES!!!! I purchased the tires from Matco, carlisle turf glide =
8.00x6/7. I was told by Matco they would work on the W62 wheel. Well =
they do fit, but they are not true! So I took them off and tried a set =
of air trac tires with 15x600-6 tubes from the local lawn and garden =
shop. I have destroyed two inner tubes by pinching them between the =
wheels. HELP!! is anyone using the Matco W62 wheel on there Kitfoxes =
and if so, what tire and tube.
Ray
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox-List:MATCO PART NEEDED |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron Liebmann" <rliebmann@comcast.net>
Hey there List Folks,
I lost the small metal cap off my Matco tailwheel. Does anyone know where
to get a replacement?
Thanks Ron, N55KF
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox-List:MATCO PART NEEDED |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dave and Diane <ddsyverson@comcast.net>
Ron,
You can try MATCO mfg
550W 3615 South
Salt Lake City, UT 84115
Specifically,
George R. Happ
MATCO mfg
801-486-7574 801-486-7581 (F)
www.matcomfg.com
Dave S
St Paul, MN
On Monday 01 May 2006 9:08 pm, Ron Liebmann wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron Liebmann" <rliebmann@comcast.net>
>
> Hey there List Folks,
>
> I lost the small metal cap off my Matco tailwheel. Does anyone know where
> to get a replacement?
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| Subject: | Re: Wanted: 8.50x6 Tires and Tubes... |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "david yeamans" <dafox@ckt.net>
Michel,
I just ordered two smooth ( skinned ) tires from John McBean, =
however, the size is different than
yours. 20 X 7.00 - 8 is the size that I ordered, and that is what fits =
my 4-1200 Here's the telephone
number to call. 1-734-377-2670. The reason for the =
smooth tyres on a tail wheel airplane,
is that they are more forgiving, especially on a grass strip.
=
david
=20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Michel Verheughe=20
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com=20
Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wanted: 8.50x6 Tires and Tubes...
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Talking about tyres, I was wondering: Why must our tundra tyres be=20
smooth? When I look at other aircraft, I see that they all have tyres=20
with longitudinal grooves. The reason I ask, I am considering buying=20
new tyres. But I don't know what to look for because smooth ones are=20
not easy to find.
Cheers,
Michel
=
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox-List:MATCO PART NEEDED |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Donald STEVENSON <shericom@rogers.com>
I belive Aircraft Spruce Catalog show all the Matco parts, Don Stevenson
Ron Liebmann <rliebmann@comcast.net> wrote: --> Kitfox-List message posted by:
"Ron Liebmann"
Hey there List Folks,
I lost the small metal cap off my Matco tailwheel. Does anyone know where
to get a replacement?
Thanks Ron, N55KF
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| Subject: | Re: Wanted: 8.50x6 Tires and Tubes... |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" <henrysfork1@msn.com>
>From: "david yeamans" <dafox@ckt.net>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wanted: 8.50x6 Tires and Tubes...
>Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 21:51:21 -0500
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "david yeamans" <dafox@ckt.net>
>
>Michel,
>
> I just ordered two smooth ( skinned ) tires from John McBean, =
>however, the size is different than
>yours. 20 X 7.00 - 8 is the size that I ordered, and that is what fits =
>my 4-1200 Here's the telephone
>number to call. 1-734-377-2670. The reason for the =
>smooth tyres on a tail wheel airplane,
>is that they are more forgiving, especially on a grass strip.
>
> =
> david
>=20
>
> ----- Original Message -----=20
> From: Michel Verheughe=20
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com=20
> Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 12:55 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wanted: 8.50x6 Tires and Tubes...
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
> Talking about tyres, I was wondering: Why must our tundra tyres be=20
> smooth? When I look at other aircraft, I see that they all have tyres=20
> with longitudinal grooves. The reason I ask, I am considering buying=20
> new tyres. But I don't know what to look for because smooth ones are=20
> not easy to find.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
>
> =
>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
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> =
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>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wanted: 8.50x6 Tires and Tubes... |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" <henrysfork1@msn.com>
Thatis the correct size for the model II also
Dee
>From: "david yeamans" <dafox@ckt.net>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wanted: 8.50x6 Tires and Tubes...
>Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 21:51:21 -0500
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "david yeamans" <dafox@ckt.net>
>
>Michel,
>
> I just ordered two smooth ( skinned ) tires from John McBean, =
>however, the size is different than
>yours. 20 X 7.00 - 8 is the size that I ordered, and that is what fits =
>my 4-1200 Here's the telephone
>number to call. 1-734-377-2670. The reason for the =
>smooth tyres on a tail wheel airplane,
>is that they are more forgiving, especially on a grass strip.
>
> =
> david
>=20
>
> ----- Original Message -----=20
> From: Michel Verheughe=20
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com=20
> Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 12:55 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wanted: 8.50x6 Tires and Tubes...
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
> Talking about tyres, I was wondering: Why must our tundra tyres be=20
> smooth? When I look at other aircraft, I see that they all have tyres=20
> with longitudinal grooves. The reason I ask, I am considering buying=20
> new tyres. But I don't know what to look for because smooth ones are=20
> not easy to find.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
>
> =
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| Subject: | Official Kitfox-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Kitfox-List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) below. The
complete Kitfox-List FAQ including the Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Kitfox-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
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is dumped. This serves to very effectively thwart 99% of the SPAM that
gets posted to the Lists.
Remember, however, that the syntax of your email address is very important
with regard to the configuration of your email application such as Outlook
or Eudora. For example, the following two email addresses may be
functionally equivalent, but only one would pass the Matronics Email SPAM
test depending on which was syntax was subscribed to the given List:
smith@machine.domain.com
smith@domain.com
Either email address syntax is alright, just be sure that you configure
your email application to match *exactly* the address you've subscibed to
the List.
*****************************************************************
*** Enclosures Stripped Out - Can't Get a Virus From the List ***
*****************************************************************
Any enclosures that are posted to the List will automatically be
stripped off, and ONLY the plain/text portion of the message will be
forwarded to the List.
Please configure your Email application to send Plain Text Only, and
disable any "Quoted Printable" or "HTML" encoding whenever possible.
Because enclosures are stripped out of incoming posts to the List,
the likelihood of getting a virus from the List is extremely small.
If you do receive a message that appears to be from the List, and it
does include a virus, it is very likely that it was sent *directly*
to you from someone on the List who has a virus. This is a specific
kind of virus, and you should try to inform the sender, if possible.
The best protection against viruses is a good virus protection program
such as Norton Antivirus. State of the art in virus protection today's
world gives maximum protection with little or no negative impact on
the computer system. You can't afford to be without a good virus
protection program these days.
Note that some limited enclosure posting is now enabled on a number
of Lists. Allowed types include .jpg, .gif, .txt, .pdf, .xls, and
a few other similar types.
*******************
*** Digest Mode ***
*******************
Each day, starting at 12 midnight PST US, a new 'digest' will be started.
This digest will contain the same information that is currently appended
to the archive file. It has all of the headers except for the "From:"
and "Subject:" lines removed, and includes a message separator consisting
of a line of underscores.
Each day at 23:55 PST US, the day's messages as described above will be
combined and sent as a single message to everyone on the digest email list.
To subscribe to the digest list, use the same subscription web form
described above, and just select the Digest version of the List.
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Note that you *can* be subscribed to both the realtime and digest versions
of the List at the same time. This is perfectly acceptable.
Now some caveats:
* Messages sent to "kitfox-list-digest" will be forwarded to the standard
email list. In other words, you cannot post messages only to the
digest List.
* If you are subscribed to both the regular List and the digest List, you
will receive the realtime postings as well as the digest at the end of
the day.
* If you reply to the digest email, your message will be forwarded to the
normal list associated with the digest. Important Note: Please change
the subject line to reflect the topic of your response! Also, please
*do not include all or most of the digest in your reply*.
****************************
*** List Digest Browser ***
****************************
An archive of all the List Digests can be found online in either plain text
or HTML format. These archives contain the exact Digest that was posted to
the Digest email list on the given day. The Digest Archives can be found
at the following location:
http://www.matronics.com/digest
*****************************************
*** The "DO NOT ARCHIVE" Message Flag ***
*****************************************
At times, your message may concern something that is revelent only to a very
small number of persons or to a limited area, and you may not wish to archive
it. In such a case, simply put the following phrase anywhere in the
message:
do not archive
Your message will not be appended to the archive, but will be sent to List
email distribution as normal.
**********************************************
***** READ THIS - Automatic Unsubscribes *****
**********************************************
Note that if your email address begins to cause problems such as bounced
email, mailbox is filled, or any other errors, your address will be promptly
removed from the List. If you discover that you are no longer receiving
messages from the Kitfox-List, go to the following Web page, and look
for your email address and a possible reason for your removal.
The Matronics Email List uses utility called the "Email Weasel" that
automatically looks though the day's bounced email for addresses that
caused problems due to common things like "user is unknown", "mailbox
full", etc. If the Email Weasel removes your email address from the
Lists you will find record of it at the following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/unsubscribed
If the problem listed on the web site above has been resolved, please feel
free to resubscribe to the Lists of your choice.
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*** List Member Information ***
*******************************
If you have not done so already, please email me your phone numbers and
paper mail address in the following format:
smith@somehost.com
Joe Smith
123 Airport Lane
Tower, CA 91234-1234
098-765-1234 w
123-456-7890 h
Please forward this information to the following email address:
requests@matronics.com
I have a file of such things, that I typically use to contact you when
there are problems with your email address. The information will NOT
be used for any other commercial purpose.
****************************************
*** Realtime Web Email List Browsing ***
****************************************
Recent messages posted to the Kitfox-List are also made available on
the Web for realtime browsing. Seven days worth of back postings are
available with this feature. The messages can be sorted by Subject,
Author, Date, or Message Thread. The Realtime List Browser indexes are
updated twice per hour at xx:15 and xx:45. You can also reply to a message
or start a new message directly from the List Browser Interface (coming soon).
You do not have to be subscribed to the given list to use the List
Browser Interface in view-mode.
http://www.matronics.com/browselist/kitfox-list
*******************************************
*** Web Forums Bulletin Board Interface ***
*******************************************
A phpBB BBS web Forums front end is available for all Kitfox-List content.
content. The Forums contain all of the same content available via the email
distribution and found on the various archive viewing formats such as the
List Browse, etc. Any posts on the web Forums will be cross posted to the
respective email List, and posts to the Email List will be cross posted to
the web Forums.
You may view all List content on the Forums without any special login.
If you wish to post a message via the Web Forum interface, however, you
will need to Register. This is a simple process that takes only a few
minutes. A link to the Registration page can be found at the top of the
main web Forums page. Note that registering on the Forum web site also
enables you to send email posts to the Lists as well. You will also need to
Subscribe to the respective Email List as described above to receive the
Email Distribution of the List, however.
The Matroincs Email List Web BBS Forums can be found at the following URL:
http://forums.matronics.com
*********************************
*** Matronics Email List Wiki ***
*********************************
In an attempt to make it easy to store and find structured and often accessed
information, Matronics has installed a Wiki at:
http://wiki.matronics.com
The Wiki allows individuals to create web pages to contain useful information
for other users of the mailing lists and web site. Unlike an ordinary web page
where the content needs to be submitted to Matronics for inclusion, the Wiki
permits the users to construct their own pages and have them visible immediately.
While constructing pages for the Wiki is not difficult, some may not be
comfortable building pages. In that case, simply prepare the text and any
images and email it to:
wiki-support@matronics.com
One of the volunteers on that list will take your submission and construct
a Wiki page for you.
Often someone produces a particularly useful posting in email one one of the
Lists that would be of general interest. In that case Matronics may take that
post and convert it into a Wiki page.
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*** List Archives ***
*********************
A file containing of all of the previous postings to the Kitfox-List is
available on line. The archive file information is available via the
Web and FTP in a number of forms. Each are briefly described below:
* Kitfox-List.FAQ
- Latest version of the Kitfox-List Frequently Asked Question
page (this document).
* Kitfox-Archive.digest.complete
- Complete file with most of the email header info removed and
page breaks inserted between messages.
* Kitfox-Archive.digest.vol-??
- Same as the file above, but broken up into small sections that
can more easily handled.
* Kitfox-Archive.digest.complete.zip
- Same as the Kitfox-Archive.digest.complete file above, but
in PKZIP format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
* Kitfox-Archive.digest.complete.Z
- Same as the Kitfox-Archive.digest.complete file above, but in
UNIX compress format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
Download Via FTP
----------------
The archive file is available via anonymous FTP from ftp.matronics.com
in the "/pub/Archives" directory. It is updated daily and can be found in
a number of formats as described above. (All filenames are case sensitive.)
ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives
Download Via Web
----------------
The archives are also available via a web listing. These can be found
toward the bottom of the following web page:
http://www.matronics.com/archives
******************************************
*** Complete List Web Archive Browsing ***
******************************************
All messages posted to the Kitfox-List are also available using the
Email List Archive Browsing feature. With this utility, all messages
in the List are indexed, and individual sub-archives can be browsed.
http://www.matronics.com/archive/archive-index.cgi?Kitfox
*****************************************
**** High-Speed Archive Search Engine ***
*****************************************
You can use the custom, high-performance Matronics Email List Search Engine
to quickly locate and browse any messages that have been posted to the
List. The Engine allows the user to easily search any of the currently
available List archives.
http://www.matronics.com/search
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*** File and Photo Share ***
****************************
With the Matronics Email List File and Photo Share you can share pictures
and other data with members of the List without having to forward a
copy of it to everyone. To share your Files and Photos, simply email
them to:
pictures@matronics.com
!! ==> Please including the following information with each submission:
1) Email Lists that they are related to.
2) Your Full Name.
3) Your Email Address.
4) One line Subject description.
5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic.
6-x) One-line Description of each photo or file
Prior to public availability of the files and photos, each will be scanned
for viruses. Please also note that the process of making the files and
photos available on the web site is a pseudo-manual process, and I try to
process them every few days.
Following the availability of the new Photoshare, an email message will be
sent to the Email Lists enumerated in 1) above indicating that the new
Share is available and what the direct URL to it is.
For a current list of available Photoshares, have a look at the Main
Index Page:
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
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*** List Archive CDROM ***
**************************
A complete Matronics Email List Archive CD is available that contains
all of the archives since the beginning of each of the Lists. The archives
for all of the Lists are included on the CD along with a freeware search
engine written by a list member. The CD is burned the day you order it
and will contain archive received up to the last minute. They make
great gifts!
http://www.matronics.com/ArchiveCDROM
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*** List Support Contributions ***
**********************************
The Matronics Lists are run *completely* through the support of it members.
You won't find any PopUpAds, flashing Banner ads, or any other form of
annoying commercialism on either the Email Messages or the List web pages
associated with the Matronics Email Lists. Every year during November
I run a low-key, low-pressure "Fund Raiser" where, throughout the month,
I ask List members to make a Contribution in any amount with which they
are comfortable.
I will often offer free gifts with certain contribution levels during the
Fund Raiser to increase the participation. The gifts are usually donated
by companies that are themselves List members.
Your Contributions go directly to supporting the operation of the Lists
including the high-speed, business-class Internet connection, server
system hardware and software upgrades, and to partially offset the many
many hours I spend running, maintaining, upgrading, and developing the
variety of services found here.
Generally Contributions range from $20 to $100 and are completely voluntary
and non-compulsory. I ask only that if person enjoys the Lists and obtains
value from them, that they make a Contribution of equal magnitude.
Contributions are accepted throughout the year, and if you've just
subscribed, feel free to make a Contribution when you've settled in.
The website for making SSL Secure Contributions is listed below. There are
a variety of payment methods including Visa and MasterCard, PayPal, and
sending a personal check.
If you enjoy and value the List, won't you make a Contribution today to
support its continued operation?
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Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
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Kitfox-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Kitfox-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Kitfox-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Kitfox-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Kitfox-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Kitfox-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Kitfox-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Kitfox-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Kitfox-List Usage Guidelines
******************************************************************************
The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Kitfox-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Kitfox-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Kitfox-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Kitfox-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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