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1. 04:22 AM - Re: MATCO PART NEEDED (Jose M. Toro)
2. 04:46 AM - 2" finish tapes (Don Smythe)
3. 05:25 AM - Re: Aluminum Tail Wheel Spring (Peter Graichen)
4. 05:46 AM - Full-Lotus Floats with Nitrogen Gas (Mich L.)
5. 06:27 AM - Re: Aluminum Tail Wheel Spring (Fox5flyer)
6. 06:46 AM - Re: 2" finish tapes (kurt schrader)
7. 07:01 AM - Cameron Park Fly-in and BBQ (Lowell Fitt)
8. 07:29 AM - Re: Aluminum Tail Wheel Spring (Clifford Begnaud)
9. 08:09 AM - Re: Wanted: 8.50x6 Tires and Tubes... (kitfoxmike)
10. 08:39 AM - Re: Cameron Park Fly-in and BBQ (Guy Buchanan)
11. 08:39 AM - Re: Full-Lotus Floats with Nitrogen Gas (Guy Buchanan)
12. 09:15 AM - Re: 2" finish tapes (flier)
13. 09:47 AM - Re: Full-Lotus Floats with Nitrogen Gas (clemwehner)
14. 10:43 AM - Re: Cameron Park Fly-in and BBQ (Lynn Matteson)
15. 11:53 AM - Re: Cameron Park Fly-in and BBQ (Richard Rabbers)
16. 12:09 PM - KIt Fox and other items for sale (wingsdown)
17. 12:16 PM - Tundra tyres. WAS: Wanted: 8.50x6 Tires and Tubes... (Michel Verheughe)
18. 12:24 PM - Re: Cameron Park Fly-in and BBQ (Guy Buchanan)
19. 01:21 PM - Re: 2" finish tapes (Don Smythe)
20. 02:10 PM - Re: Kitfox-List Model II trailer (Dieflyer@aol.com)
21. 04:05 PM - Re: Cameron Park Fly-in and BBQ (Lowell Fitt)
22. 04:24 PM - Re: tail spring (Jerry Liles)
23. 04:28 PM - Re: Wheel Question?? (Jerry Liles)
24. 04:28 PM - Re: Re: Cameron Park Fly-in and BBQ (Lynn Matteson)
25. 05:06 PM - Re: Cameron Park Fly-in and BBQ (Lowell Fitt)
26. 05:06 PM - Re: Cameron Park Fly-in and BBQ (Guy Buchanan)
27. 05:25 PM - Tire wear and Norway off topic (ron schick)
28. 05:36 PM - 2001 Kitfox 4 - 1200 with 912 UL For sale (Jay Fabian)
29. 06:23 PM - Re: Wanted: 8.50x6 Tires and Tubes... (Rex Shaw)
30. 07:16 PM - Re: Wheel Question?? (david yeamans)
31. 07:32 PM - Re: Cameron Park Fly-in and BBQ (Lynn Matteson)
32. 07:32 PM - Re: Aluminum Tail Wheel Spring (david yeamans)
33. 09:25 PM - Re: Aluminum Tail Wheel Spring (John Anderson)
34. 10:02 PM - VW redrive thrust results (ron schick)
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox-List:MATCO PART NEEDED |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
Check www.matcomfg.com
--- Donald STEVENSON <shericom@rogers.com> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Donald STEVENSON
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> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron Liebmann"
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> Hey there List Folks,
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Kitfox II/582->Jabiru 2200
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
As some of you may remember, I had my 2" tapes come loose on the wing tops
due to slight shrinkage in high OAT's. Anyway, I'm finally tackling the job
to correct the proplem. My question: Is there a reliable method to simply
cut the tapes at the trailing edge, pull back the existing tapes to the
leading edge and reglue (Poly Brush)? After reglueing, can you iron the
tapes down through the existing Poly Tone paint? The other option is to
completely replace the tapes and that will get messy. I'm stuck on the best
repair method. Either way, once complete I will paint white stripes along
the tapes to prevent shrinkage in the future.
Don Smythe
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| Subject: | Aluminum Tail Wheel Spring |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Peter Graichen" <n10pg@neo.rr.com>
Single!
Peter Graichen
http:/home.neo.rr.com/n10pg/kitfox.htm
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rueb, Duane
Sent: Monday, 01 May, 2006 18:39
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Aluminum Tail Wheel Spring
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rueb, Duane"
--> <ruebd@skymail.csus.edu>
Peter:
Is your spring configured as a single or a multi leaf?
Duane Rueb
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter Graichen
Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 2:58 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Aluminum Tail Wheel Spring
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Peter Graichen" <n10pg@neo.rr.com>
I have been flying my model 5 for eight years, i.e. 800 hrs (1600
landings)
on the same aluminum tail wheel spring, and my kitfox is VERY heavy.
In the first two years of operation, i.e. 200 hrs, I went thru rwo steel
leaf springs and one composit spring. Neither one was any good. The aluminum
one, if made of the proper alloy, proper dimensions and proper heat treating
is the best choice you can make.
Peter Graichen
http:/home.neo.rr.com/n10pg/kitfox.htm
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| Subject: | Full-Lotus Floats with Nitrogen Gas |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Mich L." <mlariv2421@yahoo.ca>
Hi to all
Does anyone have any experience (or know someone who
has) with these floats being filled with nitrogen gas
instead of compressed air.
Removing the bladders every season to drain the
condensation water can be a pain in the neck in the
long run.
Regards
Mich
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum Tail Wheel Spring |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
My single leaf aluminum tw spring by Grove has survived 315 hours of use
with about 98 percent landings on a rough farm strip (mine). Actually, the
word "leaf" is a misnomer because it's more of a bar than a leaf. About
1.25X1.00. So far so good, but I'll keep an eye on it.
Does anybody know if Grove is still producing these springs?
Deke
S5
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Graichen" <n10pg@neo.rr.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 8:23 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Aluminum Tail Wheel Spring
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Peter Graichen" <n10pg@neo.rr.com>
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> Single!
> Peter Graichen
> http:/home.neo.rr.com/n10pg/kitfox.htm
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rueb, Duane
> Sent: Monday, 01 May, 2006 18:39
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Aluminum Tail Wheel Spring
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> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rueb, Duane"
> --> <ruebd@skymail.csus.edu>
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> Peter:
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> Is your spring configured as a single or a multi leaf?
>
> Duane Rueb
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter
Graichen
> Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 2:58 PM
> To: Kitfox List
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Aluminum Tail Wheel Spring
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> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Peter Graichen" <n10pg@neo.rr.com>
>
> I have been flying my model 5 for eight years, i.e. 800 hrs (1600
> landings)
> on the same aluminum tail wheel spring, and my kitfox is VERY heavy.
> In the first two years of operation, i.e. 200 hrs, I went thru rwo steel
> leaf springs and one composit spring. Neither one was any good. The
aluminum
> one, if made of the proper alloy, proper dimensions and proper heat
treating
> is the best choice you can make.
> Peter Graichen
> http:/home.neo.rr.com/n10pg/kitfox.htm
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| Subject: | Re: 2" finish tapes |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Hi Don!
Still in the little helo business?
I am afraid that there is no way not to be messy
replacing the tapes. Maybe the Poly people know of
one, but last I knew you can't iron poly-anything,
except polytack, without it making ruts. I tried it
on my rudder and ended up replacing the whole fabric
back there due to ruts from ironing.
I was told that you need to clean it down to the
fabric, replace the tapes, then build it back up to
the surrounding surface, UV coats and all. Dont know
how you would get the old tapes off without stripping
down to them anyway.
Sorry. Maybe the Poly People have a better idea.
Kurt S.
--- Don Smythe <dosmythe@cox.net> wrote:
> As some of you may remember, I had my 2" tapes come
> loose on the wing tops
> due to slight shrinkage in high OAT's. Anyway, I'm
> finally tackling the job
> to correct the proplem. My question: Is there a
> reliable method to simply
> cut the tapes at the trailing edge, pull back the
> existing tapes to the
> leading edge and reglue (Poly Brush)? After
> reglueing, can you iron the
> tapes down through the existing Poly Tone paint?
> The other option is to
> completely replace the tapes and that will get
> messy. I'm stuck on the best
> repair method. Either way, once complete I will
> paint white stripes along
> the tapes to prevent shrinkage in the future.
>
> Don Smythe
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| Subject: | Cameron Park Fly-in and BBQ |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
I guess time's a wasting and it is really past time to formally announce the
8th annual Cameron Park Kitfox Fly-in and BBQ.
Our traditional date has been the second Saturday in June. This year we
found that the Golden West fly-in is on the same weekend but decided to go
forward with our event as scheduled and planned. If you plan on going to
Golden West also, please try to avoid a mid day arrival or departure here.
We share the taxiways - streets with pedestrians and local traffic and
safety is a major concern.
Check http://cameronparkkitfox.com for details.
Hope to see you here.
Lowell
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum Tail Wheel Spring |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
A problem with the Grove tw spring is that it gives you NO WARNING of
impending failure. With a steel spring there is PLENTY of warning before it
breaks.
Cliff
My single leaf aluminum tw spring by Grove has survived 315 hours of use
with about 98 percent landings on a rough farm strip (mine). Actually, the
word "leaf" is a misnomer because it's more of a bar than a leaf. About
1.25X1.00. So far so good, but I'll keep an eye on it.
Does anybody know if Grove is still producing these springs?
Deke
S5
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| Subject: | Re: Wanted: 8.50x6 Tires and Tubes... |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com>
I too have the tundra tires(smooth), currently I have about 200 hrs. on them and
still look great and I land on asphalt all the time. My opinion on tire wear
is if you don't land square and sqeak the tires, then you are wearing the tires(I
think 25 hrs is way to low of time). Most the time when doing touch and
goes I hold off the runway about a foot and run the center line, great practice
and keeps the wear down. Still I know that I will be needing tires soon, so
I'm also watching for a great location for tires.
--------
kitfoxmike
kitfox4 1200 912ul speedster
http://www.frappr.com/kitfoxmike
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| Subject: | Re: Cameron Park Fly-in and BBQ |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
At 07:00 AM 5/2/2006, you wrote:
>I guess time's a wasting and it is really past time to formally announce the
>8th annual Cameron Park Kitfox Fly-in and BBQ.
I'm going to try really hard, but I doubt I'll be able to get my 40 hours
by then. Otherwise I'll be up in the Bonanza.
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: Full-Lotus Floats with Nitrogen Gas |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
At 05:44 AM 5/2/2006, you wrote:
>Removing the bladders every season to drain the
>condensation water can be a pain in the neck in the
>long run.
It might be easier to use a paint spray setup when you fill. My compressor
has a air dryer that would probably remove enough moisture to prevent
condensation.
Guy
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| Subject: | Re: 2" finish tapes |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" <FLIER@sbcglobal.net>
Agree with Kurt. Take it as close to the fabric as
you can then you'll be able to blend in the coatings
as you come back up.
Regards,
Ted
--- Original Message ---
From: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 2" finish tapes
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
<smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>
>Hi Don!
>
>Still in the little helo business?
>
>I am afraid that there is no way not to be messy
>replacing the tapes. Maybe the Poly people know of
>one, but last I knew you can't iron poly-anything,
>except polytack, without it making ruts. I tried it
>on my rudder and ended up replacing the whole fabric
>back there due to ruts from ironing.
>
>I was told that you need to clean it down to the
>fabric, replace the tapes, then build it back up to
>the surrounding surface, UV coats and all. Dont know
>how you would get the old tapes off without stripping
>down to them anyway.
>
>Sorry. Maybe the Poly People have a better idea.
>
>Kurt S.
>
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| Subject: | Full-Lotus Floats with Nitrogen Gas |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "clemwehner" <clemwehner@sbcglobal.net>
I once needed really dry air from my paint compressor. I ran 50 feet of
air hose coiled up in an ice chest filled with ice, then to a painting
air dryer (water separator), then to my hose going to the sprayer. The
cold air hose really forced out all the moisture so when it got to the
water separator it collected a lot of water that I probably would not
have gotten out without cooling the air coming out of the compressor. It
worked great.
Clem
Lawton, OK
KFIV-912
you wrote:
>Removing the bladders every season to drain the
>condensation water can be a pain in the neck in the
>long run.
It might be easier to use a paint spray setup when you fill. My
compressor
has a air dryer that would probably remove enough moisture to prevent
condensation.
Guy
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| Subject: | Re: Cameron Park Fly-in and BBQ |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Then when ya'll are done with Lowell's Saturday event, just fill 'em up
and head to the 1st annual Kitfox/38th annual "all you can eat pancake
breakfast fly-in" at the Jackson County Airport, Jackson Michigan (JXN)
and have another fun day on Sunday. I'd almost be willing to guarantee
some kind of prize for anybody that can attend Lowell's gathering, and
ours here in Michigan the next day. Let's see....if you got to Lowell's
just after midnight on Saturday morning, "got your wrist stamped", then
headed here, and arrived by 11:59 pm Sunday night, I, and several
others would probably be up for making some kind of award. Any takers?.
Gotta be flying a Kitfox though, and no fair hitching a ride with a
727. : )
Lynn
On Tuesday, May 2, 2006, at 10:00 AM, Lowell Fitt wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>
> I guess time's a wasting and it is really past time to formally
> announce the
> 8th annual Cameron Park Kitfox Fly-in and BBQ.
>
> Our traditional date has been the second Saturday in June. This year
> we
> found that the Golden West fly-in is on the same weekend but decided
> to go
> forward with our event as scheduled and planned. If you plan on going
> to
> Golden West also, please try to avoid a mid day arrival or departure
> here.
> We share the taxiways - streets with pedestrians and local traffic and
> safety is a major concern.
>
> Check http://cameronparkkitfox.com for details.
>
> Hope to see you here.
>
> Lowell
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cameron Park Fly-in and BBQ |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Richard Rabbers" <rira1950@yahoo.com>
> Lynn> leave O61.... "just after midnight on Saturday morning, "got your wrist
stamped", then
> headed here, and arrived by 11:59 pm Sunday night
1668 nautical miles - 071 true 69 knots 24 hours / large fuel tank!
I'd help come up with an award !
Lynn - I plan on coming over - a bit shorter trip - and look forward to meeting
you and others there.
Richard - Benton Harbor, MI
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| Subject: | KIt Fox and other items for sale |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingsdown" <wingsdown@comcast.net>
Model 5 Kitfox and other parts Remaining for sale:
Custom air oil separators as seen on sportflight pic post $150.00 each
CAP 140 complete hub assembly for NSI redrive, may fit others, no blades
$1,500 OBO
E.I digital EGT instrument, no probe $180 each or both for $300.00
Hand held radio Yaesu VXA-200. This was there top of the line model and
should be compared to same now, has altitude, density altitude, pressure
alt. Temp, VOR heading plus extra Nmhi battery and programming software
and cable, list was over $600.00 sell for $350.00
COM/nav antenna model VHF5-1 by AAE thin flat composite style list $125
sell for $85.00
E.I. Electronics International Digital Volt/Amp gage with over and under
voltage indication internal shunt model VA-1A list $285 sell for %200.00
Carb ice gage with sending probe $45.00
Intercom by PS Engineering model PM1000II with digital cockpit record
option $300.00
Electric clock model MD-90 $60.00
Turtle deck with smoke grey lexan, has scratch in glass 150.00 if you do
a pick up I have material for replacement.
Electric servo/ jack screw assembly $500.00 OBO
Wheel pant left side only painted ready to mount or repaint $50.00
Rudder $300.00
Elevator $225.00
VDO gages:
2 1/8 tack , water temp,oil pressure, boost, large RPM 3 1/8 maybe 1/4,
EGT make offer.
Cargo bay bag with aluminum custom fit bottom, no sagging.
Left long wing, moderate damage pick up only, $1,500.00
Right long wing major tip damage , $750.00
Lift struts, pair, faired $600.00 pick up only
Horizontal Stabilator faired strut braces pair $100.00
Trim assist attached to mixer $80.00
Low level fuel indicator, SS PN 10116.000 with factory drawing and
install instruction $125.00
Custom super trapp exhaust system. Will require the welding of a 3 bolt
flange to exhaust down pipe. $300.00 Pics on request.
EA-81 turbo engine parts, blocks, cranks, rods, push rods, heads, cams,
open price to be set, accepting offers.
NSI alternator pulley New $60.00
Stock small NSI oil cooler $50.00
NSI redrive new set of gears. I believe these are 2.34:1 set but can
check and verfy $75.00
NSI redrive gear puller $45.00
SS flight controls all factory parts available in excellent condition.
Strut end farings. These go at the top of the strus for less drag.
$60.00 for the complete set never installed.
Carbon monoxide by coguardian. Plugs into lighter socket audible plus
digital level indicator. They have a web site. $99.00
I will try to keep this up to date and delete and add as necessary.
Once I receive a commitment to purchase I will remove the item from the
list.
Thanks so much
Rick
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| Subject: | Tundra tyres. WAS: Wanted: 8.50x6 Tires and Tubes... |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Thanks everyone for your answers and yes, I sinned against my first
command: Change the title when the subject changes! :-)
I just hanged on Darin's thread and wrote: "By the way ..." but he
wanted 8.50 by 6 while I have the good ol' ChengShin shaved 20 by 7 -
8. They flew about 300 hours when I noticed that the rubber was gone to
the cord, in places. No problem, I had already bought, previously, from
someone on this list, a new pair of tyres of the same type. I flew with
them since last summer. But, this winter, I noticed that the rubber was
deformed in places, like bumps or rather, depressions. I don't know
where it comes from but I don't like it. So, I am thinking to change
them again.
Richard, yes, I expect the grooved tyres to be slightly heavier and
Alan, yes, I expect the grooves will pick up dirt. I was wondering if
they could pick a small stone that could make a hole in the fabric of
my wings?
Larry, I wouldn't think to cut grooves in existing tyres, I am only
looking for an alternative to the ChenShin ones. David, yes, I could
order them from John McBean, but here is the catch: I think they are a
bit weak for the mostly asphalt use I make of them and, buying in the
US, when we pay 25% Value Added Tax on both goods and shipping ... make
us, Norwegians, try to find local providers. That is, if the equivalent
goods can be found here, which is not always the case, especially in
aviation. But my guess is that those tyres are not really aviation
related, right?
I got an offer from a local tyre shop, for smooth tyres but of a
slightly different width and diameter. I was thinking to buy them but
then ... my home-made wheel penetration skis won't accept anything much
different. Or, I'll have to modify them too. So, I am not sure what to
do. I'd like first to understand why my present tyres are deformed.
Could it be from the skis I had this winter? But there is no wear on
the skis. I don't know. But if I decide to buy another pair of
ChenShin, I'll ask John McBean, of course. I'd rather take my business
to him, who had the courage to take over the Kitfox business, than
anyone else.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Cameron Park Fly-in and BBQ |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
At 10:41 AM 5/2/2006, you wrote:
>Gotta be flying a Kitfox though, and no fair hitching a ride with a
>727. : )
Guess I'd better finish work on the Walter turbine conversion John's been
askin' about...
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: 2" finish tapes |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
Thanks Kurt.
I played with a test rig today and decided it would be just as easy to
replace the old tapes with new. The old tapes peel off easily so no problem
getting the old ones off. When they shrank, the bond was broken.
BTW, no more helo work for me. That outfit was just too shaky.
Don Smythe
----- Original Message ----- > Hi Don!
>
> Still in the little helo business?
>
> I am afraid that there is no way not to be messy
> replacing the tapes. Maybe the Poly people know of
> one, but last I knew you can't iron poly-anything,
> except polytack, without it making ruts. I tried it
> on my rudder and ended up replacing the whole fabric
> back there due to ruts from ironing.
>
> I was told that you need to clean it down to the
> fabric, replace the tapes, then build it back up to
> the surrounding surface, UV coats and all. Dont know
> how you would get the old tapes off without stripping
> down to them anyway.
>
> Sorry. Maybe the Poly People have a better idea.
>
> Kurt S.
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox-List Model II trailer |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dieflyer@aol.com
I am interested in the enclosed trailer I read about on this list.Is it
still for sale, and how do I find out the details?....................Sincerely
Mark S. Travis
_flyferfun@aol.com_ (mailto:flyferfun@aol.com)
517-645-0389
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| Subject: | Re: Cameron Park Fly-in and BBQ |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Guy, Kitfoxes are preferred, but actually the builders, pilots and
wannabees are the most important in my mind, so Bonanzas are also welcome.
One of the local Kitfox pilots also has a Bonanza - so I can guarentee at
least one guy here will talk to you :-).
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Guy Buchanan" <bnn@nethere.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 8:33 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Cameron Park Fly-in and BBQ
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
>
> At 07:00 AM 5/2/2006, you wrote:
>>I guess time's a wasting and it is really past time to formally announce
>>the
>>8th annual Cameron Park Kitfox Fly-in and BBQ.
>
> I'm going to try really hard, but I doubt I'll be able to get my 40 hours
> by then. Otherwise I'll be up in the Bonanza.
>
>
> Guy Buchanan
> K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
>
> Do not archive
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jerry Liles <wliles@bayou.com>
I think the aluminum springs were aftermarket.
The earlier steel springs also had a bit of a problem. The bend in the
spring was not gradual, but very sharp, a perfect stress riser and
guaranteed to eventually break.
Jerry Liles
Rueb, Duane wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rueb, Duane" <ruebd@skymail.csus.edu>
>
>
>Dear fellow Kitfoxers:
>
> It strikes me as absurd to use aluminum for a multi leaf spring.
>I suppose the motivation for doing this is weight savings, but the metal
>cannot be a good choice due to it's natural characteristic to work
>harden when flexed to that extent. Those of us who are flying Foxes
>with heavier power plants actually need some weight back there, so we
>certainly wouldn't want to trade high modulus, spring steel for work
>hardening aluminum, cause the result is tail dragging to an extent we
>really do not want, not to mention the clutter that we would distribute
>on the runway when it breaks.
> Did Skystar actually supply aluminum springs with the kits, and
>if so on what models?
>
>Duane Rueb
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wheel Question?? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jerry Liles <wliles@bayou.com>
The way to prevent pinching of the tube is to make a collar of paper
wrapped around the inside of the wheel to cover the split. Keeps the
tube from getting pinched.
By the way the Carlisle Turf Glides really do work well on an Avid or
Kitfox. I've been using them on Tootie Mae since she first flew.
Jerry Liles
RAY Gignac wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RAY Gignac" <KITFOXPILOT@msn.com>
>
>I have recently upgraded my tire and wheel setup! I installed the =
>upgraded grove axle to fit the Matco W62 split wheel. My problem is =
>this, TIRES!!!! I purchased the tires from Matco, carlisle turf glide =
>8.00x6/7. I was told by Matco they would work on the W62 wheel. Well =
>they do fit, but they are not true! So I took them off and tried a set =
>of air trac tires with 15x600-6 tubes from the local lawn and garden =
>shop. I have destroyed two inner tubes by pinching them between the =
>wheels. HELP!! is anyone using the Matco W62 wheel on there Kitfoxes =
>and if so, what tire and tube.
>
>Ray
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cameron Park Fly-in and BBQ |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Actually, it would be about 48 hours, wouldn't it? Midnight Fri (Sat.
morning) to Midnight Sunday...yeah, almost 48 hours. Maybe that "award"
isn't so safe after all...let's see, how far did Lindy fly?
Maybe I'll have to bribe Lowell to keep an outbound runway closed at
Cameron Park just to insure that the prize is safe. What? Noise
abatements after 10 pm? Now you're talkin'...
Oh what the heck, I'd love to see somebody do it.
If I really wanted to hedge the bet, I'd say it had to be a Sport Pilot
as PIC the whole way...that would almost insure that the prize would be
safe. : )
Lynn
do not archive
On Tuesday, May 2, 2006, at 02:50 PM, Richard Rabbers wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Richard Rabbers"
> <rira1950@yahoo.com>
>
>
>> Lynn> leave O61.... "just after midnight on Saturday morning, "got
>> your wrist stamped", then
>> headed here, and arrived by 11:59 pm Sunday night
>
>
> 1668 nautical miles - 071 true 69 knots 24 hours / large fuel tank!
>
> I'd help come up with an award !
>
> Lynn - I plan on coming over - a bit shorter trip - and look forward
> to meeting you and others there.
>
> Richard - Benton Harbor, MI
> Do not archive
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=32355#32355
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cameron Park Fly-in and BBQ |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Lynn,
You had me going for an instant. We have a Jackson airport about 30 minutes
South of here. Actually I was hoping your event would be later in the
Summer as I was hoping to arrange my travel plans to be there - flying in
the big bird. I need to meet some of the long time list members from the
Midwest. My wife is from Ohio.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 10:41 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Cameron Park Fly-in and BBQ
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>
> Then when ya'll are done with Lowell's Saturday event, just fill 'em up
> and head to the 1st annual Kitfox/38th annual "all you can eat pancake
> breakfast fly-in" at the Jackson County Airport, Jackson Michigan (JXN)
> and have another fun day on Sunday. I'd almost be willing to guarantee
> some kind of prize for anybody that can attend Lowell's gathering, and
> ours here in Michigan the next day. Let's see....if you got to Lowell's
> just after midnight on Saturday morning, "got your wrist stamped", then
> headed here, and arrived by 11:59 pm Sunday night, I, and several
> others would probably be up for making some kind of award. Any takers?.
> Gotta be flying a Kitfox though, and no fair hitching a ride with a
> 727. : )
>
> Lynn
>
> On Tuesday, May 2, 2006, at 10:00 AM, Lowell Fitt wrote:
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>>
>> I guess time's a wasting and it is really past time to formally
>> announce the
>> 8th annual Cameron Park Kitfox Fly-in and BBQ.
>>
>> Our traditional date has been the second Saturday in June. This year
>> we
>> found that the Golden West fly-in is on the same weekend but decided
>> to go
>> forward with our event as scheduled and planned. If you plan on going
>> to
>> Golden West also, please try to avoid a mid day arrival or departure
>> here.
>> We share the taxiways - streets with pedestrians and local traffic and
>> safety is a major concern.
>>
>> Check http://cameronparkkitfox.com for details.
>>
>> Hope to see you here.
>>
>> Lowell
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Cameron Park Fly-in and BBQ |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
At 04:01 PM 5/2/2006, you wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>
>Guy, Kitfoxes are preferred, but actually the builders, pilots and
>wannabees are the most important in my mind, so Bonanzas are also welcome.
>One of the local Kitfox pilots also has a Bonanza - so I can guarentee at
>least one guy here will talk to you :-).
Well, if my Kitfox isn't done in time I'll bring plenty of proud papa pictures.
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Tire wear and Norway off topic |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
Michel your flat spots probably correspond to the skid marks on the runways
you use. I love the sound of the tires just as they hit the asphalt, unless
they are mine. Sorry to say my wife left for Norway this morning or your
tires could have been delivered by a beauty of Norwegian decent. Ron NB
Ore
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| Subject: | 2001 Kitfox 4 - 1200 with 912 UL For sale |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jay Fabian" <experimental208nd@comcast.net>
Hi List,
I have my Kitfox 4 - 1200 for sale .
2001 Kitfox 4-1200 , Rotax 912 UL , 135 Hrs TTA+E, Long wings with droop =
tips, Bungee gear, Blue and White ,Starburst wings, 3-Blade Warp Drive=20
prop,BRS Parachute, Folding wings, MicroAir Radio, Magellan GPS, King =
Mode-C=20
Transponder, NAT Intercom, ELT, Whelen Wingtip Strobes, and Nav lights, =
26=20
gallons fuel capacity, LP Bubble doors, Turtledeck, and Windsheild, =
Tundra=20
tires, Oil Cooler, Matco Brakes, New tailwheel, and Grove aluminum=20
tailspring, Poly fiber, poly tone paint, Speed fairings, 669 LBS Empty=20
weight, cabin heat.
Flies great. $35,000.
Thats the basics anyways.
Let me know if you have more questions.
Contact me off list for details, pics.
Thanks,
I am in Mass.
Jay
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| Subject: | Re: Wanted: 8.50x6 Tires and Tubes... |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
Hi ! Michel,
I have lawn mower come golf cart tyres on my plane. =
Kitfox IV/1200 They are Goodyear 4 ply. The originals were buffed down =
2 ply ATV tyres and got a puncture anytime within 1/2 mile of a prickle. =
I think my tyres are 16.50 x 7 x8 but that's from memory. They have =
Softrack wriiten on them and have a very mild tread pattern. I love them =
and they were cheap. =20
I think the reason for favouring smooth tyres is because they don't =
throw up rubbish and I guess also don't accelerate quite as fast when =
you touch down. I first fitted my tyres tubeless but was getting slow =
leaking where there was slight distortion on the inside of the rim where =
the brake disc mounting lugs were welded. I then fitted tubes and had =
good results for 18 months when one went flat as the tube had turned and =
cracked around the valve. Originally we ran 9lbs in those buffed down =
ATV tyres and on that basis we went with 14lbs in the lawnmower tyres as =
they were smaller. Since the incident with the tube turning I am running =
18 lbs and I think this will stop the turning. I was worried that at 18 =
lbs I may bounce on landings but that is not the case. Remember it's =
not really a bounce but we fly again if the tail wheel does not touch =
down at the same times as the mains or perhaps a little before. Actually =
the plane rolls easier and truer with 18lbs and i like it.=20
I guess the tread around aircraft tyres is to shed water without the =
tread across the tyre. Just my guess ! Anyway I think in a taildragger =
we are better off without them as the tyre can move a little helping if =
we are not dead lined up or moving sideways. This will be a bit more =
foregiving re ground looping. Never the less I am not having trouble =
with the slight tread on my tyres although I must admit I do take care =
on bitumen. I also have wheel pants stopping anything thrown up.
=
Rex Shaw
=
Australia.
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| Subject: | Re: Wheel Question?? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "david yeamans" <dafox@ckt.net>
Jerry,
another way to keep from pinching the tube is to inflate the =
tube slightly to keep it spanding the
split.=20
David
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Jerry Liles=20
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wheel Question??
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jerry Liles <wliles@bayou.com>
The way to prevent pinching of the tube is to make a collar of paper=20
wrapped around the inside of the wheel to cover the split. Keeps the=20
tube from getting pinched.
By the way the Carlisle Turf Glides really do work well on an Avid or=20
Kitfox. I've been using them on Tootie Mae since she first flew.
Jerry Liles
RAY Gignac wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RAY Gignac" <KITFOXPILOT@msn.com>
>
>I have recently upgraded my tire and wheel setup! I installed the =
=3D
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=3D
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glide =3D
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set =3D
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>Ray
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| Subject: | Re: Cameron Park Fly-in and BBQ |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Yes, I'm familiar with the Jackson in California, having lived in San
Fran ("don't call it 'frisco") and Davis/Dixon/Esparto for 22 years.
I only hoped to tag the Kitfox thing onto an existing fly-in, the
Jackson, MI thing, hoping to get some folks together and actually plan
for our own Kitfox get-together, some time later. When are you visiting
Ohio?
Lynn
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On Tuesday, May 2, 2006, at 07:04 PM, Lowell Fitt wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Lynn,
>
> You had me going for an instant. We have a Jackson airport about 30
> minutes
> South of here. Actually I was hoping your event would be later in the
> Summer as I was hoping to arrange my travel plans to be there - flying
> in
> the big bird. I need to meet some of the long time list members from
> the
> Midwest. My wife is from Ohio.
>
> Lowell
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum Tail Wheel Spring |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "david yeamans" <dafox@ckt.net>
Deke,
I also have an aluminum tail spring 1 1/4" X 1 " and like =
you said, its more a bar than a
leaf. After 300 plus hours and 700 landings, I think it will last =
indeffinately. To make for a more smooth
taxi, I Installed an eight " neuphmatic tail wheel.
=
Kitfox 4-1200 N317DY
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Fox5flyer=20
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 8:24 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Aluminum Tail Wheel Spring
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" =
<morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
My single leaf aluminum tw spring by Grove has survived 315 hours of =
use
with about 98 percent landings on a rough farm strip (mine). =
Actually, the
word "leaf" is a misnomer because it's more of a bar than a leaf. =
About
1.25X1.00. So far so good, but I'll keep an eye on it.
Does anybody know if Grove is still producing these springs?
Deke
S5
----- Original Message -----=20
From: "Peter Graichen" <n10pg@neo.rr.com>
To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 8:23 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Aluminum Tail Wheel Spring
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Peter Graichen" =
<n10pg@neo.rr.com>
>
> Single!
> Peter Graichen
> http:/home.neo.rr.com/n10pg/kitfox.htm
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rueb, =
Duane
> Sent: Monday, 01 May, 2006 18:39
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Aluminum Tail Wheel Spring
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rueb, Duane"
> --> <ruebd@skymail.csus.edu>
>
> Peter:
>
> Is your spring configured as a single or a multi leaf?
>
> Duane Rueb
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter
Graichen
> Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 2:58 PM
> To: Kitfox List
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Aluminum Tail Wheel Spring
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Peter Graichen" =
<n10pg@neo.rr.com>
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> I have been flying my model 5 for eight years, i.e. 800 hrs (1600
> landings)
> on the same aluminum tail wheel spring, and my kitfox is VERY heavy.
> In the first two years of operation, i.e. 200 hrs, I went thru rwo =
steel
> leaf springs and one composit spring. Neither one was any good. The
aluminum
> one, if made of the proper alloy, proper dimensions and proper heat
treating
> is the best choice you can make.
> Peter Graichen
> http:/home.neo.rr.com/n10pg/kitfox.htm
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum Tail Wheel Spring |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson" <janderson412@hotmail.com>
Yes, I fitted a Homebuilders soft tail wheel and for the money that's the
greatest addition one could make I think. John A.
From: "david yeamans" <dafox@ckt.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Aluminum Tail Wheel Spring
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "david yeamans" <dafox@ckt.net>
Deke,
I also have an aluminum tail spring 1 1/4" X 1 " and like =
you said, its more a bar than a
leaf. After 300 plus hours and 700 landings, I think it will last =
indeffinately. To make for a more smooth
taxi, I Installed an eight " neuphmatic tail wheel.
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Kitfox 4-1200 N317DY
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Fox5flyer=20
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 8:24 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Aluminum Tail Wheel Spring
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" =
<morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
My single leaf aluminum tw spring by Grove has survived 315 hours of =
use
with about 98 percent landings on a rough farm strip (mine). =
Actually, the
word "leaf" is a misnomer because it's more of a bar than a leaf. =
About
1.25X1.00. So far so good, but I'll keep an eye on it.
Does anybody know if Grove is still producing these springs?
Deke
S5
----- Original Message -----=20
From: "Peter Graichen" <n10pg@neo.rr.com>
To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 8:23 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Aluminum Tail Wheel Spring
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Peter Graichen" =
<n10pg@neo.rr.com>
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> Single!
> Peter Graichen
> http:/home.neo.rr.com/n10pg/kitfox.htm
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rueb, =
Duane
> Sent: Monday, 01 May, 2006 18:39
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Aluminum Tail Wheel Spring
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> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rueb, Duane"
> --> <ruebd@skymail.csus.edu>
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> Peter:
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> Is your spring configured as a single or a multi leaf?
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> Duane Rueb
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter
Graichen
> Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 2:58 PM
> To: Kitfox List
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Aluminum Tail Wheel Spring
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> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Peter Graichen" =
<n10pg@neo.rr.com>
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> I have been flying my model 5 for eight years, i.e. 800 hrs (1600
> landings)
> on the same aluminum tail wheel spring, and my kitfox is VERY heavy.
> In the first two years of operation, i.e. 200 hrs, I went thru rwo =
steel
> leaf springs and one composit spring. Neither one was any good. The
aluminum
> one, if made of the proper alloy, proper dimensions and proper heat
treating
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> Peter Graichen
> http:/home.neo.rr.com/n10pg/kitfox.htm
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| Subject: | VW redrive thrust results |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
I made the first thrust test with my 1200 MK IV. The engine is a 1915cc VW
with a 1.6:1 redrive and 72" three blade Ivoprop. I was disapointed at 2500
rpm's static wot, but got 345- 370 lbs thrust at that combination. The
advertised potential for the redrive is 475 lbs with a 2180cc VW.
I need to tinker and get my rpms up into the more productive hp range, but
don't want to just start taking inches off the prop. First I need to verify
my tack, fuel mixture, etc.
What do the other engines produce for thrust? Anyone have numbers?
Suggestions?
Thanks Ron NB Ore N541KF
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