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1. 12:47 AM - Re: altimeter (kurt schrader)
2. 01:33 AM - Re: Tundra tyres (John Anderson)
3. 02:25 AM - snow skis (tony fiacco)
4. 07:24 AM - Re: altimeter (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
5. 07:24 AM - Don Peasall (Lowell Fitt)
6. 08:01 AM - Re: Don Peasall (Don Pearsall)
7. 09:26 AM - Re: altimeter (Bradley M Webb)
8. 09:26 AM - Re: VW redrive thrust results (ron schick)
9. 11:46 AM - Poor-man's Dyno (Lowell Fitt)
10. 12:16 PM - Re: Tundra tyres. (Michel Verheughe)
11. 12:33 PM - Re: altimeter (Michel Verheughe)
12. 04:04 PM - Re: Elevator hinge tab question?? (Lynn Matteson)
13. 06:58 PM - Re: Re: Ontario Canada Fly-inn (DPREMGOOD@aol.com)
14. 08:25 PM - Re: Elevator hinge tab question?? (Lynn Matteson)
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Great question Michel,
And a serious one my company and others are struggling
with right now.
When you fly an IFR approach, you have a certain
descent point at which you can go no lower until you
see something. There is a long list of what you have
to be able to see first before you descend to land,
but basically enough to land on the runway and not
highway 65 or the baskin robbins by mistake, etc.
On nonprecesion approaches you descend to an altitude,
then fly to a point and take a missed approach, if you
don't see enough to land.
On a precision approach you descend to an altitude on
a glidepath and then must do the missed approach
immediately at that altitude, if you don't see enough
to land.
In either case you set that bug to the altitude for
the approach and stop descent there - no lower unless
you can land.
The problem is that there are different transition
altitudes, inches of mercury and millibar settings,
QNE, QFE and QNH settings and different missed
approach altitudes for every runway. One missed
setting and you get "skidmarks in the sky" or a
surprise landing where you shouldn't.
And for some approaches you don't look at that
altimeter, but at the radio altimeter instead.
I have missed altimeter settings 3 times since
starting flying in 1966 with maybe 14,000 hrs since
then. Two of them were this year!
In reporting this I learned that it is a major trend
right now for pilots. We have no transition altitude
bug, just the missed approach bug we are talking about
here. It is mostly the transition altitude that is
the current problem and the reason "why now" and what
to do about it are in discussion.
Add in the different altitudes and altimeter settings,
a Costa Rican pilot with a Boston accent, an
Equidorian controller trying to speak English,
mountains, weather, other pilots trying to speak
english, spanish or portugese, an approach checklist
you do at 25,000 feet that has the altimeter setting
on it, but you don't actually change the altimeter
until 6,000 feet, today only, because of the weather,
and you go trouble.
If using QFE, you land at zero. Otherwise you land at
the airport elevation above sea level. That bug has
to be set to, say 200 feet if landing at zero, or 200
feet above the airport elevation, which may be 8370
feet, like in Bogata Columbia. And you don't change
the other bug, the altimeter setting, until 18,000',
or 6000', or 3000' or whatever the contoller or ATIS
says happens to be right day.
Basically this is an accident waiting to happen. You
have to make an important change out of sequence in
the checklist, at a different point each day, during
the busiest part of the flight, without a reminder.
I have gone to sticky note pads on my altimeter as a
fix for the present.
One simple gauge and we have to make it so complex to
apply! And in the computer age.
We suggested the computer should remind us. It has
the info built in for all airports, just not used.
Another thing would be for us all to be consistant as
to when to change and milibars or hectopascals. Not
happening even if lives depend on it.
So one knob changes the altimeter to current pressure,
the other remindes you of how low you can go, and the
third is missing.
Kurt S.
--- Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> wrote:
> On May 6, 2006, at 7:03 AM, kurt schrader wrote:
>
> > It is a reminder bug for the minimums on IFR
> approachs. I use it
> > every time at work.
>
> My licence being VFR only, but for the sake of my
> general interest for
> aviation, please could you, please, explain "minimum
> IFR approach,"
> Kurt?
> Since the bug moves are one adjusts the pressure, I
> guess this is only
> valid under transition altitude, when on QNH
> setting. Does the bug
> shows transition level (a variable) ? But that
> changes from AD to AD,
> doesn't it? I am sure I am completely on the wrong
> track and I look forward to your answer.
> PS: Springtime has finally come to Norway: 18 C and
> sunshine. Got my oil cooler re-installed on the
> Kitfox and I am ready for a nice flying summer!
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson" <janderson412@hotmail.com>
Yes, and you get the big icy cloud for around you feet too. Ses the heart
going...
From: "Bradley M Webb" <bmwebb@cox.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Tundra tyres
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bradley M Webb" <bmwebb@cox.net>
I bet that's fun to watch!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Anderson
Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 11:53 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Tundra tyres
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson"
<janderson412@hotmail.com>
Ane fly high (10G) in a helicopter with pop out floats and the nitrogen
bottle vents on a hot day, being high in a heli is bad for nerves anyway,
then the hapens!!
From: "Bradley M Webb" <bmwebb@cox.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Tundra tyres
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bradley M Webb" <bmwebb@cox.net>
I once had a Coke explode in a Herc at about 25,000ft. Scared crap outa us,
until we realized what it was. Sounded like a AAA shell going off.
BTW, all the tires in the military that I know of are filled with nitrogen.
Bradley
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ron schick
Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tundra tyres
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
I wonder how the pressure change going to altitude affects them. I once
near exploded a candy bar wrapper at 12500 msl. Not a problem with 6 ply,
but a thought on lawn tractor tires such as ours. Ron NB Ore
>From: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tundra tyres
>Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 19:17:39 +0200
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>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>But, talking about pressure, my ChengShin tyres have "7 PSI OPERATING
>PRESSURE" written on them. I think that's very little. I usually put 11
>psi in them. I think they'll tolerate up to 20 psi, though.
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>Cheers,
>Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: tony fiacco <tony_fiacco@yahoo.com>
i have a set of skis that flew on a 152, they are manufactured, serial numbered
etc, i dont know the company name off hand, but can get it, they are aluminum
about four feet long and about 4 inches wide, they seem to be in good shape,
anyone interested? give me a shout off list i can send pics, and we can work
up a price. i need money to re-buy some kitfox parts.
later gater
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net
Kurt, Thanks, I think. But it can not be adjusted independently of the the altimeter
setting.
John
-------------- Original message --------------
From: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
>
> It is a reminder bug for the minimums on IFR
> approachs. I use it every time at work.
>
> Kurt S.
>
> --- Bradley M Webb wrote:
>
> > Dunno. Possibly pressure altitude?
> >
> > Bradley
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by:
> > kerrjohna@comcast.net
> >
> > Okay guys, I have aquired an older altimeter with
> > Kolzman window, and this
> > is what has me wondering, when the barometer is
> > adjusted there is a bug that
> > moves around the perimeter of the altimeter. The
> > bug moves faster than
> > either of the needles. What purpose does the bug
> > serve?
> >
> > John
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<DIV>Kurt, Thanks, I think. But it can not be adjusted independently of the the
altimeter setting.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>John</DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px
solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR>From: kurt schrader
<smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com> <BR><BR>> --> Kitfox-List message
posted by: kurt schrader <SMOKEY_BEAR_40220@YAHOO.COM><BR>> <BR>> It is
a reminder bug for the minimums on IFR <BR>> approachs. I use it every time
at work. <BR>> <BR>> Kurt S. <BR>> <BR>> --- Bradley M Webb <BMWEBB@COX.NET>wrote:
<BR>> <BR>> > Dunno. Possibly pressure altitude? <BR>>
> <BR>> > Bradley <BR>> > <BR>> > -----Original Message-----
<BR>> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: <BR>> > kerrjohna@comcast.net
<BR>> > <BR>> > Okay guys, I have aquired an older
altimeter with <BR>> > Kolzman window, and this <BR>> > is what
has me wondering, when the barometer is <BR>> > adjusted there is a bug
that <BR>> > moves around the perimeter of t
he alt
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Don, In regard to the Volks powered airplane, the Lancair list had a post
for a "Poor-man's dyno" that might help determine HP at the prop in our
airplanes. It is in PDF format and I want to upload it to the Sportflight
dot com image base. How do I do that. I went to the old site and it
doesn't work for me.
Lowell
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
Lowell,
Just send the PDF to me and I will post it under your name.
Don
Don Pearsall
Sound Appraisal
Seattle, WA USA
425-392.4627
FAX 425-557-0107
donpearsall@comcast.net
http://www.soundappraisal.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt
Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2006 7:23 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Don Peasall
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Don, In regard to the Volks powered airplane, the Lancair list had a post
for a "Poor-man's dyno" that might help determine HP at the prop in our
airplanes. It is in PDF format and I want to upload it to the Sportflight
dot com image base. How do I do that. I went to the old site and it
doesn't work for me.
Lowell
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bradley M Webb" <bmwebb@cox.net>
John,
Put your baro setting at 29.92. Now read the altitude at the needles. Now
set it to local QNH. Read what the bug says. I'd bet they're the same
reading.
Bradley
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
kerrjohna@comcast.net
Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2006 10:22 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: altimeter
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net
Kurt, Thanks, I think. But it can not be adjusted independently of the the
altimeter setting.
John
-------------- Original message --------------
From: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
>
> It is a reminder bug for the minimums on IFR
> approachs. I use it every time at work.
>
> Kurt S.
>
> --- Bradley M Webb wrote:
>
> > Dunno. Possibly pressure altitude?
> >
> > Bradley
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by:
> > kerrjohna@comcast.net
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> > Okay guys, I have aquired an older altimeter with
> > Kolzman window, and this
> > is what has me wondering, when the barometer is
> > adjusted there is a bug that
> > moves around the perimeter of the altimeter. The
> > bug moves faster than
> > either of the needles. What purpose does the bug
> > serve?
> >
> > John
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<DIV>Kurt, Thanks, I think. But it can not be adjusted independently of the
the altimeter setting.</DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff
2px solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR>From: kurt
schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com> <BR><BR>> --> Kitfox-List
message posted by: kurt schrader <SMOKEY_BEAR_40220@YAHOO.COM><BR>>
<BR>> It is a reminder bug for the minimums on IFR <BR>> approachs. I
use it every time at work. <BR>> <BR>> Kurt S. <BR>> <BR>> ---
Bradley M Webb <BMWEBB@COX.NET>wrote: <BR>> <BR>> > Dunno. Possibly
pressure altitude? <BR>> > <BR>> > Bradley <BR>> >
<BR>> > -----Original Message----- <BR>> >--> Kitfox-List
message posted by: <BR>> > kerrjohna@comcast.net <BR>> >
<BR>> > Okay guys, I have aquired an older altimeter with <BR>>
> Kolzman window, and this <BR>> > is what has me wondering, when
the barometer is <BR>> > adjusted there is a bug that <BR>> >
moves around the perimeter of t
he alt
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| Subject: | Re: VW redrive thrust results |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
Kurt I have heard on another list that a direct drive 1835cc put out 275 lbs
thrust. I'm way over that and think I can do better with shorter prop and
more ppitch. I will try my 64" GSC to see what that does before cutting the
72" IVO. I have many other thing in the building stage so I'll post as I
get results. Ron NB Ore
>From: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: VW redrive thrust results
>Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 22:45:33 -0700 (PDT)
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
><smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>
>Ron,
>
>Any answers yet?
>
>Going by memory, that is about 70 hp worth of thrust.
>I drove VW's for many years, but they have not had a
>lot of good results in most planes. Some do OK and
>they are cheap, but most of the ones I heard from
>thought they were underpowered.
>
>Keep working on the tuneup and see what happens. The
>potential is there somewhere.
>
>Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo
>
>--- ron schick <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I made the first thrust test with my 1200 MK IV.
> > The engine is a 1915cc VW
> > with a 1.6:1 redrive and 72" three blade Ivoprop. I
> > was disapointed at 2500
> > rpm's static wot, but got 345- 370 lbs thrust at
> > that combination. The
> > advertised potential for the redrive is 475 lbs with
> > a 2180cc VW.
> > I need to tinker and get my rpms up into the more
> > productive hp range, but
> > don't want to just start taking inches off the prop.
> > First I need to verify
> > my tack, fuel mixture, etc.
> > What do the other engines produce for thrust?
> > Anyone have numbers?
> > Suggestions?
> > Thanks Ron NB Ore N541KF
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
I have sent a PDF file of a poor man's dyno that was submitted by a member
of the Lancair email group (LML). It should be on
http://www.sportflight.com/ soon. It is pretty sophisticated, but doable
for those interested in finding out what they are getting from their engines
and various RPM prop pitch combinations.
Lowell
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| Subject: | Re: Tundra tyres. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
On May 6, 2006, at 8:10 AM, kurt schrader wrote:
> Do your tires pick up flats spots from
> sitting in one place while parked in the cold?
Well ... not exactly, Kurt. It looks like they were deformed in place
because moving on an edge. First, I thought they might have locked
themselves in the wheel penetration skis when e.g. landing. But then, I
should see wear marks on the skis and I don't. Then there is a metal
rail to cross when I exit the hangar. The rail is used to support the
sliding doors. But I have never seen that before, it only came this
winter. Strange. The tyres are working fine only that you can see that
they are not any longer even, there are kind of hollows areas in them.
Difficult to explain, I should take a picture.
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
On May 6, 2006, at 9:42 AM, kurt schrader wrote:
> That bug has to be set to, say 200 feet if landing at zero, or 200
> feet above the airport elevation,
Thanks Kurt, I understand now the use of your "bug setting" in
consideration to minima. But John means that his instrument has only
one knob, the one for the "Q" setting and the same knob turns that bug
too.
Talking about "Qs" there is also QFF, which is only relevant to
meteorology.
> Another thing would be for us all to be consistant as
> to when to change and milibars or hectopascals.
As a life-time pilot, are you ready to make the jump, Kurt? Mind you,
officially, the US has gone metric. Time Magazine, the trend setter,
writes in meters for some years now. But I guess old habits are
difficult to quit. Nothing is better with the hectopascals, it's just
that we must standardise on something and it looks like the French with
their meter have won the war of the measures. Mind you, the lost it a
century ago, with Greenwich as the prime meridian, but they got a half
victory recently when they got GMT renamed UTC. Ah, the damn froggies!
Zut! ze damn roastbeef, remember Joan of Arc! :-) Sorry guys, I have
been at sea with Brits and French on the same boat. I am still laughing
at it! :-)
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator hinge tab question?? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
I had the same misalignment and solved it by putting the part in a jig
of sorts on my workbench and using a large pipe clamp, bent the parts
back into alignment. I just put some pressure on the tube that holds
the hinge tubes in place, until the tube was straight. I had to really
go beyond the point where it was straight, before I released pressure
on it due to spring-back. Mine is a Model IV.
Lynn
Kitfox IV...Jabiru 2200...40.2 hrs and counting!
On Friday, May 5, 2006, at 01:15 PM, darinh wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net>
>
> I mounted my elevator last night, or should I say tried to mount the
> elevator. The problem I am having is that the welded tabs are not
> exactly in line. Does anyone have any experience with this and what
> did you do? Oh, this is on my Series 7.
>
> I could ream the bushing another .01 or.001 but I don't want
> unneccessary slop in the elevator. I sighted down the hinge line and
> the problem hinge looks to be about 1/16" out of line. Do you simply
> flex the elevator leading edge to get the fit? I guess I am used to
> the RV where everything fit like a glove! Any ideas or help are
> appreciated.
>
> Darin
>
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| Subject: | Re: Ontario Canada Fly-inn |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: DPREMGOOD@aol.com
Gill,
I too missed the follow up post. Where and when?
Doug Remoundos
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator hinge tab question?? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
After thinking about your mention of reaming, I recalled the reamer
that I built for removing the powdercoating from the inside of the
elevator hinge tabs. The method might work for you. I got an 8-foot
length of 1/4" cold-rolled steel and butt-welded a reamer to the end of
it. I then fed the back end of the reamer through all the hinge tabs,
attached a drill motor and pulled the reamer back through the tabs,
cleaning them out to the required diameter for the nylon inserts. It
won't align all the tabs to each other, like an align-borer, but it
will get them closer. Maybe something along these lines will work for
you. I don't know if the 7 uses exactly the same hinging as the 4.
Lynn
On Friday, May 5, 2006, at 01:15 PM, darinh wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net>
>
> I mounted my elevator last night, or should I say tried to mount the
> elevator. The problem I am having is that the welded tabs are not
> exactly in line. Does anyone have any experience with this and what
> did you do? Oh, this is on my Series 7.
>
> I could ream the bushing another .01 or.001 but I don't want
> unneccessary slop in the elevator. I sighted down the hinge line and
> the problem hinge looks to be about 1/16" out of line. Do you simply
> flex the elevator leading edge to get the fit? I guess I am used to
> the RV where everything fit like a glove! Any ideas or help are
> appreciated.
>
> Darin
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=33023#33023
>
>
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