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1. 04:29 AM - Re: Thrust...Overrated? (Rex)
2. 05:26 AM - Hanger (Algate)
3. 05:39 AM - Re: Hanger (Algate)
4. 06:23 AM - Re: Thrust...Overrated? (wingsdown)
5. 07:32 AM - Re: Hanger (Larry Huntley)
6. 07:51 AM - Thrust...Or fun with numbers! (Randy Daughenbaugh)
7. 08:02 AM - Re: Hanger (Fox5flyer)
8. 08:13 AM - Re: Thrust...Or fun with numbers! (wingsdown)
9. 08:32 AM - KITFOX PARTS AND OTHER AIRCRAFT PARTS FOR SALE UPDATE: (wingsdown)
10. 11:20 AM - Re: Hanger (Larry Huntley)
11. 02:14 PM - Re: Hanger (Randy Daughenbaugh)
12. 03:13 PM - Fiberglass tanks (Don McIntosh)
13. 03:25 PM - Re: Hanger (Larry Huntley)
14. 04:39 PM - Re: Fiberglass tanks (Brett Walmsley)
15. 06:41 PM - NSI CAP system for sale (QSS)
16. 07:07 PM - Re: Thrust...Overrated? (Jerry Liles)
17. 08:07 PM - Re: Thrust...Or fun with numbers! (kurt schrader)
18. 08:07 PM - Re: 912S/ oil cooler efficiency (John King)
19. 09:09 PM - Re: Thrust, props and parts (kurt schrader)
20. 09:46 PM - Re: Thrust...Overrated? (kurt schrader)
21. 09:53 PM - Re: Fiberglass tanks (kurt schrader)
22. 10:32 PM - Re: Posts (kurt schrader)
23. 11:14 PM - Re: Fiberglass tanks (Rexster)
24. 11:44 PM - Re: Re: Posts (Michel Verheughe)
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| Subject: | Re: Thrust...Overrated? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Rex <gypsybee@copper.net>
There's your clue - Marketing language being what it is I suspect it's
25% more than something, but not the 80%+ of most props best numbers.
Picking the best numbers regardless of what they really mean in the real
world is of course more Marketing Hype. I hadn't thought about the flex
and they're using composite blades which usually mean omni-directional
flex properties. I guess they could have some special design with
uni-directional properties.
Anyway, speculation can be fun plus it's different and looks kinda
cool. Some people will buy stuff that looks cool regardless of it's
practical purpose. Just look at 22" rims and tires for a Hummer. :-)
Rex (contemplating the round bump cowl on my M2)
kurt schrader wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>
>Neat idea. Glad someone is studying it, but I wonder
>about their claims. Most props are better than 80%
>efficient. Even the first flight was done with props
>over 80%. So how can you get a 25% improvement?
>
>I think they are measuring static thrust and, as we
>discussed earlier, that is, ahhhh "Overrated" as a
>factor. But prop efficiency is usually low
>statically, so there they could make the claim.
>
>The other problem is that counter rotation means
>cautious rotation. Props flex in flight. You could
>be risking a prop collision if doing acro with this.
>The props would gyroscopic precess in opposite
>directions and bend opposite. Spacing between hubs is
>important.
>
>Lots to consider, but if we could really make it
>better, I am all for it.
>
>Kurt S. S-5
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
I posted some photos of my hanger on the Kitfox download site (under OTHER )
and had a lot of enquiries re pricing etc. I have nothing to do with this
venture but thought I would just post the following details for anyone
interested (hope I'm not breaking any List rules) :
The hanger is manufactured by Funcamp Company owned by a gentleman by the
name of Bill St.Pierre in Barrie , Ontario. I have my plane parked at his
property (his brother flies a Lake Amhib) and convinced him to build me the
hanger as his company has been manufacturing large covered structures used
on campgrounds etc. He ahs since built a number of hangers for local Airpark
(Edenvale etc).
He has a website but nothing posted on the hangers as yet as he is still
putting this together.
Price is Canadian $16,500 (Includes wooden foundations and rebar etc that is
spiked into the ground to secure the wooden perimeter foundation.
Door opening is 36ft x 8ft and depth is 24ft (I can't remember the actual
width of the structure but it must be approx 32 ft. Frame is powder coated
steel and covering is a 1-yr warranted poly something. If you contact Bill
he will be happy to give you more info.
The one I am using has been up all winter and seen winds gusting 100 km and
it is amazing. It is also quite warm in winter and the high rake ceiling
ensures there is no snow build up. The roll up door is raised and lowered by
a single hand operated winch and it works fine in Winter and summer.
Bill St.Pierre 1-800-888-297-5551 or 1-705-487-7821
www.funcampco.ca
Best regards
Gary Algate
Lite2/582
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
OOPS
In my email I said the Hanger cover was 1 year warranted - Should read 20
year!!
Sorry
Gary
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Algate
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 8:28 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Hanger
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
I posted some photos of my hanger on the Kitfox download site (under OTHER )
and had a lot of enquiries re pricing etc. I have nothing to do with this
venture but thought I would just post the following details for anyone
interested (hope I'm not breaking any List rules) :
The hanger is manufactured by Funcamp Company owned by a gentleman by the
name of Bill St.Pierre in Barrie , Ontario. I have my plane parked at his
property (his brother flies a Lake Amhib) and convinced him to build me the
hanger as his company has been manufacturing large covered structures used
on campgrounds etc. He ahs since built a number of hangers for local Airpark
(Edenvale etc).
He has a website but nothing posted on the hangers as yet as he is still
putting this together.
Price is Canadian $16,500 (Includes wooden foundations and rebar etc that is
spiked into the ground to secure the wooden perimeter foundation.
Door opening is 36ft x 8ft and depth is 24ft (I can't remember the actual
width of the structure but it must be approx 32 ft. Frame is powder coated
steel and covering is a 1-yr warranted poly something. If you contact Bill
he will be happy to give you more info.
The one I am using has been up all winter and seen winds gusting 100 km and
it is amazing. It is also quite warm in winter and the high rake ceiling
ensures there is no snow build up. The roll up door is raised and lowered by
a single hand operated winch and it works fine in Winter and summer.
Bill St.Pierre 1-800-888-297-5551 or 1-705-487-7821
www.funcampco.ca
Best regards
Gary Algate
Lite2/582
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| Subject: | Thrust...Overrated? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingsdown" <wingsdown@comcast.net>
Exactly. Static thrust only gives that relationship to other props at
that static RPM. It does not tell you what the overall efficiency will
be at a dynamic airspeed and RPM. Even the Wright Brothers used a wind
tunnel. Without some real number thought the RPM and airspeed range no
one can know except by careful trials and testing on their own aircraft.
Even then the numbers may be skewed for a bunch of reasons. This list
most likely provides more real un-hyped numbers than any company will
ever supply particular to the aircraft we fly. 22s on a Hummer. That
gives me a great idea. Spinners for aircraft rims...I think they are 100
percent efficient and minimal flex under static loads.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rex
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 4:27 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Thrust...Overrated?
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Rex <gypsybee@copper.net>
There's your clue - Marketing language being what it is I suspect it's
25% more than something, but not the 80%+ of most props best numbers.
Picking the best numbers regardless of what they really mean in the real
world is of course more Marketing Hype. I hadn't thought about the flex
and they're using composite blades which usually mean omni-directional
flex properties. I guess they could have some special design with
uni-directional properties.
Anyway, speculation can be fun plus it's different and looks kinda
cool. Some people will buy stuff that looks cool regardless of it's
practical purpose. Just look at 22" rims and tires for a Hummer. :-)
Rex (contemplating the round bump cowl on my M2)
kurt schrader wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
>--> <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>
>Neat idea. Glad someone is studying it, but I wonder
>about their claims. Most props are better than 80%
>efficient. Even the first flight was done with props
>over 80%. So how can you get a 25% improvement?
>
>I think they are measuring static thrust and, as we
>discussed earlier, that is, ahhhh "Overrated" as a
>factor. But prop efficiency is usually low
>statically, so there they could make the claim.
>
>The other problem is that counter rotation means
>cautious rotation. Props flex in flight. You could
>be risking a prop collision if doing acro with this.
>The props would gyroscopic precess in opposite
>directions and bend opposite. Spacing between hubs is
>important.
>
>Lots to consider, but if we could really make it
>better, I am all for it.
>
>Kurt S. S-5
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Larry Huntley" <asq1@adelphia.net>
Gary,
I need an 11' X 42' hangar door. I have been wanting to try something like
this. I can't find your pix as I am not very familiar w/ the system. Could
you send me a pic or explain how to get to them? Thanx,Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 8:27 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Hanger
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
>
>
> I posted some photos of my hanger on the Kitfox download site (under
> OTHER )
> and had a lot of enquiries re pricing etc. I have nothing to do with this
> venture but thought I would just post the following details for anyone
> interested (hope I'm not breaking any List rules) :
>
> The hanger is manufactured by Funcamp Company owned by a gentleman by the
> name of Bill St.Pierre in Barrie , Ontario. I have my plane parked at his
> property (his brother flies a Lake Amhib) and convinced him to build me
> the
> hanger as his company has been manufacturing large covered structures used
> on campgrounds etc. He ahs since built a number of hangers for local
> Airpark
> (Edenvale etc).
>
> He has a website but nothing posted on the hangers as yet as he is still
> putting this together.
>
> Price is Canadian $16,500 (Includes wooden foundations and rebar etc that
> is
> spiked into the ground to secure the wooden perimeter foundation.
>
> Door opening is 36ft x 8ft and depth is 24ft (I can't remember the actual
> width of the structure but it must be approx 32 ft. Frame is powder coated
> steel and covering is a 1-yr warranted poly something. If you contact Bill
> he will be happy to give you more info.
>
> The one I am using has been up all winter and seen winds gusting 100 km
> and
> it is amazing. It is also quite warm in winter and the high rake ceiling
> ensures there is no snow build up. The roll up door is raised and lowered
> by
> a single hand operated winch and it works fine in Winter and summer.
>
> Bill St.Pierre 1-800-888-297-5551 or 1-705-487-7821
> www.funcampco.ca
>
> Best regards
>
> Gary Algate
> Lite2/582
>
>
> --
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/337 - Release Date: 5/11/2006
>
>
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| Subject: | Thrust...Or fun with numbers! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Kurt sez:
Even the first flight was done with props
over 80%. So how can you get a 25% improvement?
How about 25% of 80 is 20. - Add to 80 and you get 100% !! ;-)
We all can calculate "effective pitch" from our airspeed and prop RPM. I am
amazed at how close this often is to what the prop designers claim for their
props.
And Kurt don't stop. I learn a lot from your long posts. (short ones too.)
Nice flight last night with my wife. Buzzed the field to scare the deer off
and touched down about the same time the sunset.
Randy
.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Larry, just go to www.sportflight.com then click on "uploads" and follow
prompts to "Other/Misc". Lots of Kitfox stuff in there that has been
accumulating for years.
Deke
List Admin
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Huntley" <asq1@adelphia.net>
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Hanger
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Larry Huntley" <asq1@adelphia.net>
>
> Gary,
> I need an 11' X 42' hangar door. I have been wanting to try something
like
> this. I can't find your pix as I am not very familiar w/ the system. Could
> you send me a pic or explain how to get to them? Thanx,Larry
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 8:27 AM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Hanger
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
> >
> >
> > I posted some photos of my hanger on the Kitfox download site (under
> > OTHER )
> > and had a lot of enquiries re pricing etc. I have nothing to do with
this
> > venture but thought I would just post the following details for anyone
> > interested (hope I'm not breaking any List rules) :
> >
> > The hanger is manufactured by Funcamp Company owned by a gentleman by
the
> > name of Bill St.Pierre in Barrie , Ontario. I have my plane parked at
his
> > property (his brother flies a Lake Amhib) and convinced him to build me
> > the
> > hanger as his company has been manufacturing large covered structures
used
> > on campgrounds etc. He ahs since built a number of hangers for local
> > Airpark
> > (Edenvale etc).
> >
> > He has a website but nothing posted on the hangers as yet as he is still
> > putting this together.
> >
> > Price is Canadian $16,500 (Includes wooden foundations and rebar etc
that
> > is
> > spiked into the ground to secure the wooden perimeter foundation.
> >
> > Door opening is 36ft x 8ft and depth is 24ft (I can't remember the
actual
> > width of the structure but it must be approx 32 ft. Frame is powder
coated
> > steel and covering is a 1-yr warranted poly something. If you contact
Bill
> > he will be happy to give you more info.
> >
> > The one I am using has been up all winter and seen winds gusting 100 km
> > and
> > it is amazing. It is also quite warm in winter and the high rake ceiling
> > ensures there is no snow build up. The roll up door is raised and
lowered
> > by
> > a single hand operated winch and it works fine in Winter and summer.
> >
> > Bill St.Pierre 1-800-888-297-5551 or 1-705-487-7821
> > www.funcampco.ca
> >
> > Best regards
> >
> > Gary Algate
> > Lite2/582
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > No virus found in this incoming message.
> > Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/337 - Release Date: 5/11/2006
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Thrust...Or fun with numbers! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingsdown" <wingsdown@comcast.net>
Also if you land on the taxi way to the left and then to the right on
average you were right down the center line.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy
Daughenbaugh
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 7:50 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Thrust...Or fun with numbers!
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh"
--> <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Kurt sez:
Even the first flight was done with props
over 80%. So how can you get a 25% improvement?
How about 25% of 80 is 20. - Add to 80 and you get 100% !! ;-)
We all can calculate "effective pitch" from our airspeed and prop RPM.
I am amazed at how close this often is to what the prop designers claim
for their props.
And Kurt don't stop. I learn a lot from your long posts. (short ones
too.)
Nice flight last night with my wife. Buzzed the field to scare the deer
off and touched down about the same time the sunset.
Randy
.
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| Subject: | KITFOX PARTS AND OTHER AIRCRAFT PARTS FOR SALE UPDATE: |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingsdown" <wingsdown@comcast.net>
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of wingsdown
Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 12:02 PM
Subject: FW: Kitfox-List: KITFOX PARTS AND OTHER AIRCRAFT PARTS FOR SALE
UPDATE:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingsdown" <wingsdown@comcast.net>
KITFOX PARTS AND OTHER AIRCRAFT PARTS FOR SALE UPDATE:
Custom air oil separators as seen on sportflight pic post $150.00
each......................
CAP 140 complete hub assembly for NSI redrive, may fit others, no blades
$1,500 OBO.............
E.I digital EGT instrument, no probe $180 each or both for
$300.00....................
Hand held radio Yaesu VXA-200. This was there top of the line model and
should be compared to same now, has altitude,density altitude,pressure
alt. Temp, VOR heading plus extra Nmhi battery and programming software
and cable, list was over $600.00 sell for $350.00....................
COM/nav antenna model VHF5-1 by AAE thin flat composite style list $125
sell for $85.00..................
E.I. Electronics International Digital Volt/Amp gage with over and under
voltage indication internal shunt model VA-1A list $285 sell for
%200.00.........................SOLD
Carb ice gage Westach with sending probe $45.00.................SOLD
Intercom by PS Engineering model PM1000II with digital cockpit record
option $300.00..................
Electric clock model MD-90 $60.00.....................
Turtle deck with smoke grey lexan, has scratch in glass 150.00 if you do
a pick up I have material for replacement......
Electric servo/ jack screw assembly $500.00 OBO..................
Wheel pant left side only painted ready to mount or repaint
$50.00............
Rudder $300.00..............
Elevator $225.00..............
VDO gages:
2 1/8 tack , water temp,oil pressure, boost, large RPM 3 1/8 maybe 1/4,
EGT make offer..............
Cargo bay bag with aluminum custom fit bottom, no sagging. $95.00
.........................
Left long wing, moderate damage pick up only,
$1,500.00....................
Right long wing major tip damage , $750.00................
Lift struts, pair, faired $600.00 pick up only................
Horizontal Stabilator faired strut braces pair $100.00.................
Trim assist attached to mixer $80.00................
Low level fuel indicator, SS PN 10116.000 with factory drawing and
install instruction $125.00......SOLD
Custom super trapp exhaust system. Will require the welding of a 3 bolt
flange to exhaust down pipe. $300.00 Pics on request....................
EA-81 turbo engine parts, blocks, engine mounts left and right, cranks,
rods, push rods, heads, cams, open price to be set, accepting
offers................
NSI alternator pulley New $60.00.......................
Stock small NSI oil cooler $50.00..................
NSI redrive new set of gears. Confirmed 2:23:1$75.00..............SOLD
NSI redrive gear puller $45.00....................SOLD
SS flight controls all factory parts available in excellent
condition....................
Strut end farings. These go at the top of the strus for less drag.
$60.00 for the complete set never installed.....SOLD
Carbon monoxide by coguardian. Plugs into lighter socket audible plus
digital level indicator. They have a web site. $99.00 ...............
Bendix/King fin type transponder antenna with ground plane plate
$50.00.....................
Airborne vacuum regulator valve model 2H3-23 #9AK FAA PMA list $728.00
in ACS catalog make offer..................
Airborne filter mount with filter best offer.............
Seat belt set both sides , with shoulder harness black
$75.00..............(SOLD)
Wood pistol grips modified one short on passenger PIC side regularl
length with PTTs $50.00 both..................
Mr. Funnel large for water seperation funnel filling of fuel
$20.00...............
Remote PTT $5.00 with other purchse..............
Fuel caps SS powder coated red nice $50.00 for the set..................
Cessna dual vacuume gage with pop up no vac indicators can be used on
single system PN C668519-0101 $35.00............
Tire or tyre front Aero classic 11X4.00-5 8ply with new tube
$40.00......................
Thanks so much
Rick
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Larry Huntley" <asq1@adelphia.net>
That worked. Thank you. Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Hanger
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>
> Larry, just go to www.sportflight.com then click on "uploads" and follow
> prompts to "Other/Misc". Lots of Kitfox stuff in there that has been
> accumulating for years.
> Deke
> List Admin
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Larry Huntley" <asq1@adelphia.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 10:27 AM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Hanger
>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Larry Huntley" <asq1@adelphia.net>
>>
>> Gary,
>> I need an 11' X 42' hangar door. I have been wanting to try something
> like
>> this. I can't find your pix as I am not very familiar w/ the system.
>> Could
>> you send me a pic or explain how to get to them? Thanx,Larry
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 8:27 AM
>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Hanger
>>
>>
>> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
>> >
>> >
>> > I posted some photos of my hanger on the Kitfox download site (under
>> > OTHER )
>> > and had a lot of enquiries re pricing etc. I have nothing to do with
> this
>> > venture but thought I would just post the following details for anyone
>> > interested (hope I'm not breaking any List rules) :
>> >
>> > The hanger is manufactured by Funcamp Company owned by a gentleman by
> the
>> > name of Bill St.Pierre in Barrie , Ontario. I have my plane parked at
> his
>> > property (his brother flies a Lake Amhib) and convinced him to build
>> > me
>> > the
>> > hanger as his company has been manufacturing large covered structures
> used
>> > on campgrounds etc. He ahs since built a number of hangers for local
>> > Airpark
>> > (Edenvale etc).
>> >
>> > He has a website but nothing posted on the hangers as yet as he is
>> > still
>> > putting this together.
>> >
>> > Price is Canadian $16,500 (Includes wooden foundations and rebar etc
> that
>> > is
>> > spiked into the ground to secure the wooden perimeter foundation.
>> >
>> > Door opening is 36ft x 8ft and depth is 24ft (I can't remember the
> actual
>> > width of the structure but it must be approx 32 ft. Frame is powder
> coated
>> > steel and covering is a 1-yr warranted poly something. If you contact
> Bill
>> > he will be happy to give you more info.
>> >
>> > The one I am using has been up all winter and seen winds gusting 100 km
>> > and
>> > it is amazing. It is also quite warm in winter and the high rake
>> > ceiling
>> > ensures there is no snow build up. The roll up door is raised and
> lowered
>> > by
>> > a single hand operated winch and it works fine in Winter and summer.
>> >
>> > Bill St.Pierre 1-800-888-297-5551 or 1-705-487-7821
>> > www.funcampco.ca
>> >
>> > Best regards
>> >
>> > Gary Algate
>> > Lite2/582
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > No virus found in this incoming message.
>> > Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/337 - Release Date:
>> > 5/11/2006
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>>
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> No virus found in this incoming message.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Larry,
There are pictures of my "Ultimate Door" under "Gotta-haves". This is a 10'
by 36' door. I think they make kits for up to 14 by 48'.
If you want to spend more like $3000 than $13,000 this is a good way to go.
Randy
.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Huntley
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 12:17 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Hanger
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Larry Huntley" <asq1@adelphia.net>
That worked. Thank you. Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Hanger
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>
> Larry, just go to www.sportflight.com then click on "uploads" and follow
> prompts to "Other/Misc". Lots of Kitfox stuff in there that has been
> accumulating for years.
> Deke
> List Admin
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Larry Huntley" <asq1@adelphia.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 10:27 AM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Hanger
>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Larry Huntley" <asq1@adelphia.net>
>>
>> Gary,
>> I need an 11' X 42' hangar door. I have been wanting to try something
> like
>> this. I can't find your pix as I am not very familiar w/ the system.
>> Could
>> you send me a pic or explain how to get to them? Thanx,Larry
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 8:27 AM
>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Hanger
>>
>>
>> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
>> >
>> >
>> > I posted some photos of my hanger on the Kitfox download site (under
>> > OTHER )
>> > and had a lot of enquiries re pricing etc. I have nothing to do with
> this
>> > venture but thought I would just post the following details for anyone
>> > interested (hope I'm not breaking any List rules) :
>> >
>> > The hanger is manufactured by Funcamp Company owned by a gentleman by
> the
>> > name of Bill St.Pierre in Barrie , Ontario. I have my plane parked at
> his
>> > property (his brother flies a Lake Amhib) and convinced him to build
>> > me
>> > the
>> > hanger as his company has been manufacturing large covered structures
> used
>> > on campgrounds etc. He ahs since built a number of hangers for local
>> > Airpark
>> > (Edenvale etc).
>> >
>> > He has a website but nothing posted on the hangers as yet as he is
>> > still
>> > putting this together.
>> >
>> > Price is Canadian $16,500 (Includes wooden foundations and rebar etc
> that
>> > is
>> > spiked into the ground to secure the wooden perimeter foundation.
>> >
>> > Door opening is 36ft x 8ft and depth is 24ft (I can't remember the
> actual
>> > width of the structure but it must be approx 32 ft. Frame is powder
> coated
>> > steel and covering is a 1-yr warranted poly something. If you contact
> Bill
>> > he will be happy to give you more info.
>> >
>> > The one I am using has been up all winter and seen winds gusting 100 km
>> > and
>> > it is amazing. It is also quite warm in winter and the high rake
>> > ceiling
>> > ensures there is no snow build up. The roll up door is raised and
> lowered
>> > by
>> > a single hand operated winch and it works fine in Winter and summer.
>> >
>> > Bill St.Pierre 1-800-888-297-5551 or 1-705-487-7821
>> > www.funcampco.ca
>> >
>> > Best regards
>> >
>> > Gary Algate
>> > Lite2/582
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > No virus found in this incoming message.
>> > Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/337 - Release Date:
>> > 5/11/2006
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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> No virus found in this incoming message.
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| Subject: | Fiberglass tanks |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don McIntosh" <don@contractorsnorthwest.com>
I am in the process of installing my main tanks in my Series 7, but they
won't lay down hard against the spars. The outer back corner of both is up
above the adjacent rib by 1/8 to 3/16" like the mold had too much outwash in
it. I sanded the inside corner a little where the tank bears on the spar and
gained some but I am leery of sanding any more and it appears I would not
get enough anyway. I can pull the corner down but I don't really want to
put stress into the fiberglass tanks or the spars by doing that. Can heat be
applied to tweak the tanks or something? The curve over the top doesn't
exactly match the adjacent ribs either.
Don McIntosh
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Larry Huntley" <asq1@adelphia.net>
Randy,
On the main hangar(32'X42') I have a 11'X40' Ultimate door. I fabricated
the iron and used their plans and ended up w/ a really inexpensive door. I
added 43" on the back a year ago and think I would like to try some type of
"roll up". Haven't made up my mind yet. Thanx for the input. The "ultimate
Door" is certainly a fine product.
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 5:10 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Hanger
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh"
> <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
>
> Larry,
> There are pictures of my "Ultimate Door" under "Gotta-haves". This is a
> 10'
> by 36' door. I think they make kits for up to 14 by 48'.
>
> If you want to spend more like $3000 than $13,000 this is a good way to
> go.
>
> Randy
>
> .
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Huntley
> Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 12:17 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Hanger
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Larry Huntley" <asq1@adelphia.net>
>
> That worked. Thank you. Larry
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 11:00 AM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Hanger
>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer"
>> <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>>
>> Larry, just go to www.sportflight.com then click on "uploads" and follow
>> prompts to "Other/Misc". Lots of Kitfox stuff in there that has been
>> accumulating for years.
>> Deke
>> List Admin
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Larry Huntley" <asq1@adelphia.net>
>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 10:27 AM
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Hanger
>>
>>
>>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Larry Huntley" <asq1@adelphia.net>
>>>
>>> Gary,
>>> I need an 11' X 42' hangar door. I have been wanting to try something
>> like
>>> this. I can't find your pix as I am not very familiar w/ the system.
>>> Could
>>> you send me a pic or explain how to get to them? Thanx,Larry
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
>>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>> Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 8:27 AM
>>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Hanger
>>>
>>>
>>> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > I posted some photos of my hanger on the Kitfox download site (under
>>> > OTHER )
>>> > and had a lot of enquiries re pricing etc. I have nothing to do with
>> this
>>> > venture but thought I would just post the following details for anyone
>>> > interested (hope I'm not breaking any List rules) :
>>> >
>>> > The hanger is manufactured by Funcamp Company owned by a gentleman by
>> the
>>> > name of Bill St.Pierre in Barrie , Ontario. I have my plane parked at
>> his
>>> > property (his brother flies a Lake Amhib) and convinced him to build
>>> > me
>>> > the
>>> > hanger as his company has been manufacturing large covered structures
>> used
>>> > on campgrounds etc. He ahs since built a number of hangers for local
>>> > Airpark
>>> > (Edenvale etc).
>>> >
>>> > He has a website but nothing posted on the hangers as yet as he is
>>> > still
>>> > putting this together.
>>> >
>>> > Price is Canadian $16,500 (Includes wooden foundations and rebar etc
>> that
>>> > is
>>> > spiked into the ground to secure the wooden perimeter foundation.
>>> >
>>> > Door opening is 36ft x 8ft and depth is 24ft (I can't remember the
>> actual
>>> > width of the structure but it must be approx 32 ft. Frame is powder
>> coated
>>> > steel and covering is a 1-yr warranted poly something. If you contact
>> Bill
>>> > he will be happy to give you more info.
>>> >
>>> > The one I am using has been up all winter and seen winds gusting 100
>>> > km
>>> > and
>>> > it is amazing. It is also quite warm in winter and the high rake
>>> > ceiling
>>> > ensures there is no snow build up. The roll up door is raised and
>> lowered
>>> > by
>>> > a single hand operated winch and it works fine in Winter and summer.
>>> >
>>> > Bill St.Pierre 1-800-888-297-5551 or 1-705-487-7821
>>> > www.funcampco.ca
>>> >
>>> > Best regards
>>> >
>>> > Gary Algate
>>> > Lite2/582
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > No virus found in this incoming message.
>>> > Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/337 - Release Date:
>>> > 5/11/2006
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass tanks |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brett Walmsley" <n93hj@numail.org>
Sounds like mine.
Sand a little.
Tweek a little.
Bondo the rest.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don McIntosh" <don@contractorsnorthwest.com>
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 6:10 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Fiberglass tanks
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don McIntosh"
> <don@contractorsnorthwest.com>
>
> I am in the process of installing my main tanks in my Series 7, but they
> won't lay down hard against the spars. The outer back corner of both is up
> above the adjacent rib by 1/8 to 3/16" like the mold had too much outwash
> in
> it. I sanded the inside corner a little where the tank bears on the spar
> and
> gained some but I am leery of sanding any more and it appears I would not
> get enough anyway. I can pull the corner down but I don't really want to
> put stress into the fiberglass tanks or the spars by doing that. Can heat
> be
> applied to tweak the tanks or something? The curve over the top doesn't
> exactly match the adjacent ribs either.
>
>
> Don McIntosh
>
>
>
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| Subject: | NSI CAP system for sale |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "QSS" <msm@byterocky.net>
Hi Guys, I have decided to sell the CAP system I have. It has been =
checked out by Colin Drury who is on the list and is an electronics =
engineer. I will include the prop collars also as they are no longer =
available through NSI. The cost not including freight is $US900.00. =
Please contact me off list if your interested.
Regards
Graeme
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| Subject: | Re: Thrust...Overrated? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jerry Liles <wliles@bayou.com>
Well lets see. A 25% improvement on an 80% efficient prop? I suspect
it would be 25% of 20% . In other words maybe a whooping actual 5%
improvement. Not to be sneared at if true but hardly what the
advertisement would have you believe.
Jerry Liles
Rex wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Rex <gypsybee@copper.net>
>
>There's your clue - Marketing language being what it is I suspect it's
>25% more than something, but not the 80%+ of most props best numbers.
>Picking the best numbers regardless of what they really mean in the real
>world is of course more Marketing Hype. I hadn't thought about the flex
>and they're using composite blades which usually mean omni-directional
>flex properties. I guess they could have some special design with
>uni-directional properties.
>
> Anyway, speculation can be fun plus it's different and looks kinda
>cool. Some people will buy stuff that looks cool regardless of it's
>practical purpose. Just look at 22" rims and tires for a Hummer. :-)
>Rex (contemplating the round bump cowl on my M2)
>
>kurt schrader wrote:
>
>
>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>>
>>Neat idea. Glad someone is studying it, but I wonder
>>about their claims. Most props are better than 80%
>>efficient. Even the first flight was done with props
>>over 80%. So how can you get a 25% improvement?
>>
>>I think they are measuring static thrust and, as we
>>discussed earlier, that is, ahhhh "Overrated" as a
>>factor. But prop efficiency is usually low
>>statically, so there they could make the claim.
>>
>>The other problem is that counter rotation means
>>cautious rotation. Props flex in flight. You could
>>be risking a prop collision if doing acro with this.
>>The props would gyroscopic precess in opposite
>>directions and bend opposite. Spacing between hubs is
>>important.
>>
>>Lots to consider, but if we could really make it
>>better, I am all for it.
>>
>>Kurt S. S-5
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Thrust...Or fun with numbers! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Three statisticians went deer hunting one day. After
being in the blind for awhile, a fantastic 10 pointer
came by. The first statistician took a shot and
missed to the left. The second took a shot and missed
to the right. The third jumped up and down yelling,
"We got him! We got him!"
kurt S.
Do not archive
--- wingsdown <wingsdown@comcast.net> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingsdown"
> <wingsdown@comcast.net>
>
> Also if you land on the taxi way to the left and
> then to the right on
> average you were right down the center line.
>
> Rick
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| Subject: | Re: 912S/ oil cooler efficiency |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: John King <kingjohne@adelphia.net>
Fred,
Your e-mail included no pictures. I am not at the airport now, so I
cannot verify the measurements you provided, however, they look very
similar. Included are two pictures of my installation. In the second
picture the adjustable doors are not fully open. The prop is my old
PowerFin blades, before I installed the Proplink system that I still
use. If your installation is the same as mine, I cannot explain the
differences in performance. I calibrated my temperature sensors in
heated cooking oil through the entire range of the sensor using a good
reference thermometer. My initial sensor was bad at the high end, so I
replaced it.
--
John King
Warrenton, VA
Fred Shiple wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Fred Shiple <fredshiple@sbcglobal.net>
>
>John,
> The cooler measures 3"x6 1/2" by 2" deep. The inlet is 2"x6 1/2". I calibrated
the sensor and cooler in a boiling water bath as I had no other sensor available.
Have included the photos of the installation.
> We're visiting our adult children in San Francisco this week-end so my internet
access may be limited.
> I hope you're flying well. We met about 4 years ago at Oshkosh and you were
gratious enough to answer a lot of my installation questions. Thanks for your
help now.
> Fred
>
> I have a Series 6 powered by a 912S and haven't had excessively high oil
>temperatures in hot weather. Have y
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Thrust, props and parts |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Hey Rick,
Several things:
First, for prop efficiency, what gearing did you
change to from the 2.23 : 1 you had? Did that help?
I know I am running my prop way under the most
efficient rpm, takeoff and cruise. Did you try a 2:1
ratio?
I often takeoff at 5000 RPM or less to save the
engine, but that last 10% rpm makes a real difference
in performance, especially the last 300 rpm. I know
the turbo helps there, but I think that the prop is
just getting into its element at the engine RPM limit.
Wish I had a set of 2:1 gears, if that is what you had
and they worked for you. I'd like to fly the prop in
a more efficient range. I assume the Soob torque can
handle it, though it is mostly more rpm and less
pitch.
Second, put me down for your gas caps, trim assist and
oil cooler. Still considering some of the rest
available. I'll have to finalize soon as I can get
time with the Fox and think about it. I'll try to
keep it to one more shippment, unless you need the
space or $ now.
Third, spinners. Who was it that was flying along and
heard a bang and the engine smoothed out? After
landing found the spinner was gone? Usually we add
parts to make things better, but sometimes "divorce"
helps.
Kurt S. S-5
--- wingsdown <wingsdown@comcast.net> wrote:
> Exactly. Static thrust only gives that relationship
> to other props at that static RPM..............
> This list most likely provides more real un-hyped
> numbers than any company will ever supply
> particular to the aircraft we fly. 22s on a Hummer.
> That gives me a great idea. Spinners for aircraft
> rims...I think they are 100 percent efficient and
> minimal flex under static loads.
>
> Rick
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| Subject: | Re: Thrust...Overrated? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Rick, Rex, Jerry and the list,
I was once in the operational testing branch of the
Marine Corps. Our job was to be the "truth tellers"
for procurement decisions. We took real Marines and
gave them the production articles and training
programs, then simulated the part of war they were to
operate the item in. The test was to see what
actually happened "in the mud under fire". I mostly
did aviation projects, but one of my projects was the
M-16A-2 rifle you may have heard about.
We would test all the candidates for a job and report
the results to Congress. The idea was to pick the
best and tell what needed fixing before buying. The
reality was, it depended upon who's district an item
came from and whether he was up for reelection,
whether the thing worked or not......
In the case of the M-16A-2, the manufacturer said it
was 50% more accurate at 100 yards than the old one.
A 2" group instead of a 4" group from the bench mount,
as if we all fought from a bench.
We expected that it would mean something like a 12"
group instead of a 14" group in the hands of Marines,
a substantially smaller improvement. (I created a
test that I am proud of for this gun too. Interesting
results in many ways.)
The accuracy results were that if a Marine could hit
the target, the weapon mattered little. Marines
either adjusted for inaccuracies, or they couldn't hit
a barn.
The job was a real education in what works, what was
said to work, and politics, which doesn't work. Since
Federal $ are bottomless in some hands, the price was
really how many Marines lost per vote.
We are the truth tellers here. We experiment and this
list is where we tell each other the truth as best as
we know it. (I trust no one is up for election?) If
we are wrong, we pay, so we are motivated to get it
right.
And now the right guy owns the company too! :-)
What a contrast.....
Kurt S.
Do not archive
--- Jerry Liles <wliles@bayou.com> wrote:
> Well lets see. A 25% improvement on an 80%
> efficient prop? I suspect it would be 25% of
> 20% . In other words maybe a whooping actual 5%
> improvement. Not to be sneared at if true but
> hardly what the advertisement would have you
> believe.
>
> Jerry Liles
>
> Rex wrote:
> >
> >There's your clue - Marketing language being what
> it is.......
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass tanks |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Me too. I also contoured the ribs in to meet the tank
where it still didn't fit and tied to make this a
smooth area of the wing. I filled it all in from rib
across the tank to rib leveled with a straight edge.
A little harder to replace later, but it looks good.
To the spars, just fill with the right, non corrosive
silicone.
Some made false ribs over and under the tank for the
look. That may cover a few faults too.
SuperFill is better than Bondo, I was told after I did
mine. :-(
Kurt S.
--- Brett Walmsley <n93hj@numail.org> wrote:
> Sounds like mine.
> Sand a little.
> Tweek a little.
> Bondo the rest.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Don McIntosh" <don@contractorsnorthwest.com>
> > I am in the process of installing my main tanks in
> my Series 7, but they won't lay down hard against
> the spars.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Thanks Randy,
I did a lot of reading in my lifetime about this
technical stuff. Mostly a generalist myself, not
quite an expert in any one area. Never know if it
helps, but I do know that there are experts out here
who can correct me if I am wrong, and we all gain form
the end result. Beats sitting here wondering....
So I write with my Nomex flame suit on and a lump in
my throat hoping that it helps, or at least makes
someone laugh. Having been a Marine, I can take the
fire and it is a small price to pay for friends.
Thanks for the affirmation and motivation. Maybe now
I won't have to marry Michel and move to Norway. ;-)
(Not a gay thing but an old joke for those who are new
here. Michel has a wife and I think she can take me,
ha ha He just likes to keep me in my place.)
Kurt S.
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--- Randy Daughenbaugh <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com> wrote:
.............
> And Kurt don't stop. I learn a lot from your long
> posts. (short ones too.) ............
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rexster" <runwayrex@juno.com>
Hi Friends,
Just my two cents........ I fly a model three, purchased as kit in 1=
990, finished in 1999. Back then, Denney Aircraft changed the amount of =
twist recommended several times from somewhere around 1/2 inch to around=
1". My buddy put almost no twist or dihedral in his Fox, going for a "f=
ast roll, aerobatic" plane. I put the maximum amount of twist and dihedr=
al into mine, hoping for a stable hands off type of flying. Both of us w=
ere rewarded with planes that met our goals. Those fiberglass tanks were=
designed around a certain amount of twist in the wing. Your wings proba=
bly don't match the amount of twist in your fuel tanks which is causing =
the slight misfit. I don't have any new solutions for you, but thought I=
'd give you some background info as I see it.
Rex Phelps / Michigan
-- kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yaho=
o.com>
Me too. I also contoured the ribs in to meet the tank
where it still didn't fit and tied to make this a
smooth area of the wing. I filled it all in from rib
across the tank to rib leveled with a straight edge. =
A little harder to replace later, but it looks good.
To the spars, just fill with the right, non corrosive
silicone.
Some made false ribs over and under the tank for the
look. That may cover a few faults too.
SuperFill is better than Bondo, I was told after I did
mine. :-(
Kurt S.
--- Brett Walmsley <n93hj@numail.org> wrote:
> Sounds like mine.
> Sand a little.
> Tweek a little.
> Bondo the rest.
> =
> =
> ----- Original Message ----- =
> From: "Don McIntosh" <don@contractorsnorthwest.com>
> > I am in the process of installing my main tanks in
> my Series 7, but they won't lay down hard against
> the spars.
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<P> Just my two cents........ I fly a model three, purchased=
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1/2 inch to around 1". My buddy put almost no twist or dihedral in his F=
ox, going for a "fast roll, aerobatic" plane. I put the maximum amount o=
f twist and dihedral into mine, hoping for a stable hands off type of fl=
ying. Both of us were rewarded with planes that met our goals. Those fib=
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which is causing the slight misfit. I don't have any new solutions for =
you, but thought I'd give you some background info as I see it.</P>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
On May 13, 2006, at 7:29 AM, kurt schrader wrote:
> Maybe now I won't have to marry Michel and move to Norway. ;-)
Really? And I had already our honeymoon, in a Kitfox over the Norwegian
fjords, all prepared, honey!
All, as Kurt says, it's only an old joke! First you write something
funny and add a smiley. Then, you start omitting the smiley, and the
humour goes to the second level: You answer as if you "go with it."
Soon it gets quite complicated and you may try the third level, i.e.
you understood the joke, went with it but decide to pretend you don't.
Last, a new member joints the list and think: What the heck is this
place? :-)
I am a very serious person, have a beautiful wife, a fantastic son and
an adorable grand-daughter. But ... I like extreme sports and ...
marrying an ex-Marine sounds like fun! :-)
Cheers,
Michel
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