---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 05/15/06: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:58 AM - Wing Extensions (Dwayne) 2. 05:16 AM - Re: Wing Extensions (Hank) 3. 07:02 AM - Re: Hanger (wingnut) 4. 07:09 AM - Re: Re: Hanger (Clifford Begnaud) 5. 08:27 AM - Re: Re: Hanger door cost and brain-based inflation (Randy Daughenbaugh) 6. 08:36 AM - Re: Fuel backflow valve? (Rupert Tinker) 7. 09:49 AM - Re: Hanger door cost and brain-based inflation (wingnut) 8. 10:17 AM - Re: Re: Hanger door cost and brain-based inflation (DPREMGOOD@AOL.COM) 9. 11:13 AM - Re: Re: Hanger door cost and brain-based inflation (Randy Daughenbaugh) 10. 12:32 PM - Re: Re: Hanger door cost and brain-based inflation (Lowell Fitt) 11. 12:34 PM - Please Help. Redline EGT for Continental 0200? (Harris, Robert) 12. 12:55 PM - Re: Re: Hanger door cost and brain-based inflation (Larry Huntley) 13. 03:49 PM - EGT probe and temp probes (Brett Walmsley) 14. 05:38 PM - Re: EGT probe and temp probes (Tony /Butch) 15. 05:45 PM - Re: Fuel backflow valve? (Colin Durey) 16. 07:37 PM - Re: Re: Hanger door cost and brain-based inflation (Randy Daughenbaugh) 17. 07:37 PM - Re: Re: Hanger door cost and brain-based inflation (Randy Daughenbaugh) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:58:38 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Wing Extensions From: "Dwayne" --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dwayne" Does anyone know of a source for wing extensions and STOL tips for the Model IV Speedster? I would like to locate the extensions and/or talk with someone that uses this option on the Speedster. Thanks, Dwayne 304-847-7765[/b] Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=34654#34654 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:16:26 AM PST US From: Hank Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wing Extensions --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Hank Hi, I built my speedster with the extensions. The wing (quick build) was delivered with the speedster length wing build but the spars uncut and the extensions were built "in place" on the spar ends and matched to the last speedster rib. It was a lot of work and has to be done in the building process. Mine are done and covered. If you have any more questions, just ask. BTW, I am building a IV, although introduced with the 5, the extension kit could be ordered with the IV. I don't know what "STOL tips" are as I have speedster tips. Hank On May 15, 2006, at 6:54 AM, Dwayne wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dwayne" > > Does anyone know of a source for wing extensions and STOL tips for > the Model IV Speedster? I would like to locate the extensions and/ > or talk with someone that uses this option on the Speedster. > > Thanks, > Dwayne > > 304-847-7765[/b] > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=34654#34654 > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:02:39 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Hanger From: "wingnut" --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" Building an "Ultimate Door" costs $3k? Why so much? I got a quote from Schweiss for a motorized bifold door at $3600.. Not as big a difference as I would have expected for a 'do it yourself' door. What am I missing? -LuisF > Larry, > There are pictures of my "Ultimate Door" under "Gotta-haves". This is a 10' > by 36' door. I think they make kits for up to 14 by 48'. > > If you want to spend more like $3000 than $13,000 this is a good way to go. > > Randy Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=34677#34677 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:09:29 AM PST US From: "Clifford Begnaud" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Hanger --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" I found that strange also, I put in a 45'X14' bifold door for $3500 a few years ago. Cliff Building an "Ultimate Door" costs $3k? Why so much? I got a quote from Schweiss for a motorized bifold door at $3600.. Not as big a difference as I would have expected for a 'do it yourself' door. What am I missing? -LuisF > Larry, > There are pictures of my "Ultimate Door" under "Gotta-haves". This is a > 10' > by 36' door. I think they make kits for up to 14 by 48'. > > If you want to spend more like $3000 than $13,000 this is a good way to > go. > > Randy Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=34677#34677 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:27:55 AM PST US From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Hanger door cost and brain-based inflation --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" You guys are right. I had to dig out my records, but the cost was more like $1400. The kit was $797. the skin - translucent fiberglass - was $329, a winch was $97, and another $120 for wood. My apologies to all and especially to the Ultimate door people. It is a great door. Randy . -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clifford Begnaud Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 8:09 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Hanger --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" I found that strange also, I put in a 45'X14' bifold door for $3500 a few years ago. Cliff Building an "Ultimate Door" costs $3k? Why so much? I got a quote from Schweiss for a motorized bifold door at $3600.. Not as big a difference as I would have expected for a 'do it yourself' door. What am I missing? -LuisF > Larry, > There are pictures of my "Ultimate Door" under "Gotta-haves". This is a > 10' > by 36' door. I think they make kits for up to 14 by 48'. > > If you want to spend more like $3000 than $13,000 this is a good way to > go. > > Randy Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=34677#34677 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:36:07 AM PST US From: "Rupert Tinker" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fuel backflow valve? --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rupert Tinker" Hi Rex: Where can I find more info on the electronic Gem 205300 sensor for the top of the header tank (spec's, where can it be purchased, price, etc.)? Thanks Rupert Tinker, Kitfox 2, under construction, Paradise, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rex Shaw" Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 11:31 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fuel backflow valve? > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex Shaw" > > Hi ! Ron, > not sure if this is the exact answer you are looking for = > but what I'm in the process of doing is a bit similar. I am using a = > Facet 40171 pump from Aircraft Spruce. It has check valves that stop = > flow in either direction when the pump is turned off or failed. I have a = > Rotax 582 with the dual outlet DF52 pulse pump. I also am changing that = > for a triple outlet pump. I am taking two outlets from the header tank. = > One as is now through a filter to the pulse pump the second outlet = > through the Facet 40171 and another filter to the 3rd outlet on the new = > triple outlet pulse pump. What will be happening is the outlet chamber = > in the new pulse pump will be acting as a "T" piece so either or both = > pumps can feed the carbies. Also pressure from the Facet pump won't be = > able to feed back due to the outlet valve in the pulse pump. > So long as the outlet chamber diaphram and outlet valve remain OK, and I = > will change this pump every two yearswhich is already a service = > requirement. I will be able to run with both pumps or just the pulse = > pump. If the pulse pump fails other than the outlet diaphram and outlet = > valve then I can run on just the Facet pump. The usual failure in the = > pulse pumps is the pulse diaphram. > This setup will also give me two filters either one of which can block = > and I am still OK. > Further I am adding an in the top of the = > Header tank so if the fuel starts to run out in the header tank I will = > know that I only have that volume of 3 litres left and about 10 minutes = > power to land somewhere. The sensor will activate a flashing LED on the = > panel plus a beeper in my intercomm to warn me. I will be able to switch = > this off so as to get rid of the distraction. > Perhaps you can glean some info or ideas from this. > = > Rex Shaw. > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:49:53 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Hanger door cost and brain-based inflation From: "wingnut" --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" That's more like it :-). I'd like to bounce a few more questions off you if I may: Would you say that the $800 for the kit is a good investment? Is there anything included in it that would be difficult to fabricate from scratch? What is the purpose of the pronounced dip at the end of the overhead track? Could the door be build with a flat track like they use for garage doors? Does the door use a counterweight or some kind of spring to help lift it? Thanks, Luis R > > You guys are right. I had to dig out my records, but the cost was more like > $1400. > > The kit was $797. the skin - translucent fiberglass - was $329, a winch was > $97, and another $120 for wood. > > My apologies to all and especially to the Ultimate door people. It is a > great door. > > Randy > Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=34719#34719 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:17:55 AM PST US From: DPREMGOOD@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Hanger door cost and brain-based inflation --> Kitfox-List message posted by: DPREMGOOD@aol.com Randy, Do you have an idea of how much the door weighs? Doug Remoundos ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:13:03 AM PST US From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Hanger door cost and brain-based inflation --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" Luis, I am happy to try to answer your questions. See below. Indented. Randy . -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of wingnut Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 10:47 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Hanger door cost and brain-based inflation --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" That's more like it :-). I'd like to bounce a few more questions off you if I may: Would you say that the $800 for the kit is a good investment? Is there anything included in it that would be difficult to fabricate from scratch? This is a tough one. The rails are the pieces that would be hard to build from scratch. You could probably make them by splicing pieces of common rails together. It would take sometime to collect the pulleys, cable, cable clamps, corner gussets, etc. I mean you could save a considerable amount by building a kitfox from scratch, but it would take a lot of time and some engineering in selection of parts. What is the purpose of the pronounced dip at the end of the overhead track? Could the door be build with a flat track like they use for garage doors? The cables are in the vertical center of the door and just lift the center of the door straight up. The purpose of the overhead track is to tip the door as the center moves straight up. The first movement of the door is straight up. Snow would not prevent you from opening the door. Then the door is angled out until the "dip" at the end positions the door pointing straight out at the top of the opening. This way you only lose a few inches of clearance and don't need a really tall opening. Does the door use a counterweight or some kind of spring to help lift it? The plans call for counterbalancing all but 200 lbs. The 200 lbs weight on the door keep the door down so the initial vertical part of the rails hold the door against the wind. The door built with the materials that I used is rated to withstand a 90 mph wind. My counter balance weights can be seen in the third picture under "gotta-haves" at the Sportfllight site. http://www.sportflight.com/cgi-bin/uploader.pl?action=view&epoch=1146116979 Randy Thanks, Luis R > > You guys are right. I had to dig out my records, but the cost was more like > $1400. > > The kit was $797. the skin - translucent fiberglass - was $329, a winch was > $97, and another $120 for wood. > > My apologies to all and especially to the Ultimate door people. It is a > great door. > > Randy > Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=34719#34719 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:32:07 PM PST US From: "Lowell Fitt" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Hanger door cost and brain-based inflation --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" Randy, I like you hangar, your hangar door and especially your location. Remind me where you are based. I'm counting on you at the Cameron Park fly-in this year ;-). Lowell Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 11:10 AM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Hanger door cost and brain-based inflation > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" > > > Luis, > I am happy to try to answer your questions. See below. Indented. > > Randy > > . > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of wingnut > Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 10:47 AM > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Hanger door cost and brain-based inflation > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" > > That's more like it :-). I'd like to bounce a few more questions off you > if > I may: > > Would you say that the $800 for the kit is a good investment? Is there > anything included in it that would be difficult to fabricate from scratch? > > This is a tough one. The rails are the pieces that would be hard to > build from > scratch. You could probably make them by splicing pieces of common rails > together. It would take sometime to collect the pulleys, cable, cable > clamps, corner gussets, etc. I mean you could save a considerable amount > by > building a kitfox from scratch, but it would take a lot of time and some > engineering in selection of parts. > > > What is the purpose of the pronounced dip at the end of the overhead > track? > Could the door be build with a flat track like they use for garage doors? > > The cables are in the vertical center of the door and just lift the > center of the door straight up. The purpose of the overhead track is to > tip > the door as the center moves straight up. The first movement of the door > is > straight up. Snow would not prevent you from opening the door. Then the > door is angled out until the "dip" at the end positions the door pointing > straight out at the top of the opening. This way you only lose a few > inches > of clearance and don't need a really tall opening. > > > Does the door use a counterweight or some kind of spring to help lift it? > > The plans call for counterbalancing all but 200 lbs. The 200 lbs > weight on the door keep the door down so the initial vertical part of the > rails hold the door against the wind. The door built with the materials > that I used is rated to withstand a 90 mph wind. My counter balance > weights can be seen in the third picture under "gotta-haves" at the > Sportfllight site. > > http://www.sportflight.com/cgi-bin/uploader.pl?action=view&epoch=1146116979 > > Randy > > Thanks, > Luis R > > >> >> You guys are right. I had to dig out my records, but the cost was more > like >> $1400. >> >> The kit was $797. the skin - translucent fiberglass - was $329, a winch > was >> $97, and another $120 for wood. >> >> My apologies to all and especially to the Ultimate door people. It is a >> great door. >> >> Randy >> > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=34719#34719 > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:34:23 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Please Help. Redline EGT for Continental 0200? From: "Harris, Robert" --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" What is the redline EGT for a Continental 0200 and what is the recommended EGT during cruise? (On my model II Rotax 582 my EGT's were 1,100 but my 0200 is running 1,400+ with full throttle and full rich. Robert Model V 0200 San Diego ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:55:43 PM PST US From: "Larry Huntley" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Hanger door cost and brain-based inflation --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Larry Huntley" FWIIW, I built an Ultimate Door about 15 yrs ago. I used their plans and fabricated my own metal. The top tracks are just standard garage door tracks with 10" cut off the curved end and welded back in near the middle of the track as per UD plans. A friend did the welding with a MIG. Didn't take long. I found an individual who installs doors in our area and bought all the door hardware used ,track,pulleys brackets,etc. We have a local Mennonite friend who sells metal siding and such for a very reasonable price. I bought all translucent sheets to cover the door. They are very light.The door faces East. In the AM it heats up in a hurry and besides I don't have to have any lights on to work inside. I built mine such that I the outside slopes down just slightly When it is raised so the rain runs off when it is up so if I want more area to work in I open the door for an extra 6" of roof. They call for 1/8" cables to cross in each panel ,,as I remember. I live on a farm and use hi-tensile fence. I used this wire and nicropressed it onto the brackets and turnbuckles. It is at least as strong in this configuration and the wire is 2-3 cents per foot. I didn't use a winch. I found a (30" ? probably weighs 40-50# )flywheel off some old hand crank farm machine and made a small drum for a winch. (You need something for a bit of weight to smooth out the cranking)It takes 18 turns to raise a 12" door( remember in reality you are only raising it 6', you are lifting from the center.) My wife can crank it up with one hand. I think the door came out at about 400# and I used a 280#? counterweight. Counterweight works fine ,but I like the sound of the concrete weights better. I would do that next time. I have a fairly complicated pulley system above. Another time I would use a 2" pipe all the way across at the top of the door riding in lubricated oak blocks. Remember, This was 15 yrs ago,but I have less than $500 in the whole door and I use it a lot. It is an excellent unit. Larry Huntley ----- Original Message ----- From: "wingnut" Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 12:46 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Hanger door cost and brain-based inflation > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" > > That's more like it :-). I'd like to bounce a few more questions off you > if I may: > > Would you say that the $800 for the kit is a good investment? Is there > anything included in it that would be difficult to fabricate from scratch? > > What is the purpose of the pronounced dip at the end of the overhead > track? Could the door be build with a flat track like they use for garage > doors? > > Does the door use a counterweight or some kind of spring to help lift it? > > Thanks, > Luis R > > >> >> You guys are right. I had to dig out my records, but the cost was more >> like >> $1400. >> >> The kit was $797. the skin - translucent fiberglass - was $329, a winch >> was >> $97, and another $120 for wood. >> >> My apologies to all and especially to the Ultimate door people. It is a >> great door. >> >> Randy >> > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=34719#34719 > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/339 - Release Date: 5/14/2006 > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:49:44 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: EGT probe and temp probes From: "Brett Walmsley" --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brett Walmsley" I am installing a Westach quad guage. Can anyone suggest which cylinder would most likely be the hottest? Secondly, there are two temp probes. One long and one short. It appears the short is water and the long is oil. Can anyone confirm? Oh yea, this is on a 912UL in a Classic IV. Thanks, Brett -------- Brett Model IV 1200/912UL Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=34773#34773 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:38:51 PM PST US From: "Tony /Butch" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: EGT probe and temp probes --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Tony /Butch" I would try a repair center for rotax engines , like ... info@rtx-av-engines.ca I'am sure they'll know .. BUTCH av8tor@xsthe.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brett Walmsley" Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 5:45 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: EGT probe and temp probes > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brett Walmsley" > > I am installing a Westach quad guage. Can anyone suggest which cylinder > would most likely be the hottest? Secondly, there are two temp probes. One > long and one short. It appears the short is water and the long is oil. Can > anyone confirm? Oh yea, this is on a 912UL in a Classic IV. > Thanks, Brett > > -------- > Brett > Model IV 1200/912UL > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=34773#34773 > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/339 - Release Date: 5/14/2006 > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:45:35 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fuel backflow valve? From: "Colin Durey" --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Colin Durey" Rupert, Go to www.gemssensors.com . Search by the part number and voila!. Regards Colin Durey Pacific Technology Corporation Ltd +61-418-677073 (M) +61-2-945466162 (F) > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rupert Tinker" > > Hi Rex: > > Where can I find more info on the electronic Gem 205300 sensor for the top > of the header tank (spec's, where can it be purchased, price, etc.)? > > Thanks > > Rupert Tinker, Kitfox 2, under construction, Paradise, CA > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rex Shaw" > To: > Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 11:31 AM > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fuel backflow valve? > > >> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex Shaw" >> >> Hi ! Ron, >> not sure if this is the exact answer you are looking for >> = >> but what I'm in the process of doing is a bit similar. I am using a = >> Facet 40171 pump from Aircraft Spruce. It has check valves that stop = >> flow in either direction when the pump is turned off or failed. I have a >> = >> Rotax 582 with the dual outlet DF52 pulse pump. I also am changing that >> = >> for a triple outlet pump. I am taking two outlets from the header tank. >> = >> One as is now through a filter to the pulse pump the second outlet = >> through the Facet 40171 and another filter to the 3rd outlet on the new >> = >> triple outlet pulse pump. What will be happening is the outlet chamber >> = >> in the new pulse pump will be acting as a "T" piece so either or both = >> pumps can feed the carbies. Also pressure from the Facet pump won't be = >> able to feed back due to the outlet valve in the pulse pump. >> So long as the outlet chamber diaphram and outlet valve remain OK, and I >> = >> will change this pump every two yearswhich is already a service = >> requirement. I will be able to run with both pumps or just the pulse = >> pump. If the pulse pump fails other than the outlet diaphram and outlet >> = >> valve then I can run on just the Facet pump. The usual failure in the = >> pulse pumps is the pulse diaphram. >> This setup will also give me two filters either one of which can block = >> and I am still OK. >> Further I am adding an > in the top of the = >> Header tank so if the fuel starts to run out in the header tank I will = >> know that I only have that volume of 3 litres left and about 10 minutes >> = >> power to land somewhere. The sensor will activate a flashing LED on the >> = >> panel plus a beeper in my intercomm to warn me. I will be able to switch >> = >> this off so as to get rid of the distraction. >> Perhaps you can glean some info or ideas from this. >> = >> Rex Shaw. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:37:12 PM PST US From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Hanger door cost and brain-based inflation --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" Doug, I think my counter balance weight is 160 lbs and the door has 210 lbs with the counter balance weight in place. This makes the door 370 lbs. I can't find any notes on this so I hope it is more accurate than my cost data was. Randy . -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DPREMGOOD@aol.com Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 11:17 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Hanger door cost and brain-based inflation --> Kitfox-List message posted by: DPREMGOOD@aol.com Randy, Do you have an idea of how much the door weighs? Doug Remoundos ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 07:37:12 PM PST US From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Hanger door cost and brain-based inflation --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" Thanks Lowell. I fly from a strip on my ranch. We are about 4 - 5 miles north of Mount Rushmore in the Black Hills of South Dakota. With Crazy Horse, Devils Tower and the Badlands all close by, this is a great place to fly. I am trying to break my tether, but so far have stayed in a 150 mile radius. Hoping to visit Longmont, Colorado, Sioux Center, Iowa, and Bozeman, Montana this summer. I would sure like to make it to Cameron Park, but my wife and I are still stretching our wings..... Randy . -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 1:27 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Hanger door cost and brain-based inflation --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" Randy, I like you hangar, your hangar door and especially your location. Remind me where you are based. I'm counting on you at the Cameron Park fly-in this year ;-). Lowell Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 11:10 AM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Hanger door cost and brain-based inflation > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" > > > Luis, > I am happy to try to answer your questions. See below. Indented. > > Randy > > . > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of wingnut > Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 10:47 AM > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Hanger door cost and brain-based inflation > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" > > That's more like it :-). I'd like to bounce a few more questions off you > if > I may: > > Would you say that the $800 for the kit is a good investment? Is there > anything included in it that would be difficult to fabricate from scratch? > > This is a tough one. The rails are the pieces that would be hard to > build from > scratch. You could probably make them by splicing pieces of common rails > together. It would take sometime to collect the pulleys, cable, cable > clamps, corner gussets, etc. I mean you could save a considerable amount > by > building a kitfox from scratch, but it would take a lot of time and some > engineering in selection of parts. > > > What is the purpose of the pronounced dip at the end of the overhead > track? > Could the door be build with a flat track like they use for garage doors? > > The cables are in the vertical center of the door and just lift the > center of the door straight up. The purpose of the overhead track is to > tip > the door as the center moves straight up. The first movement of the door > is > straight up. Snow would not prevent you from opening the door. Then the > door is angled out until the "dip" at the end positions the door pointing > straight out at the top of the opening. This way you only lose a few > inches > of clearance and don't need a really tall opening. > > > Does the door use a counterweight or some kind of spring to help lift it? > > The plans call for counterbalancing all but 200 lbs. The 200 lbs > weight on the door keep the door down so the initial vertical part of the > rails hold the door against the wind. The door built with the materials > that I used is rated to withstand a 90 mph wind. My counter balance > weights can be seen in the third picture under "gotta-haves" at the > Sportfllight site. > > http://www.sportflight.com/cgi-bin/uploader.pl?action=view&epoch=1146116979 > > Randy > > Thanks, > Luis R > > >> >> You guys are right. I had to dig out my records, but the cost was more > like >> $1400. >> >> The kit was $797. the skin - translucent fiberglass - was $329, a winch > was >> $97, and another $120 for wood. >> >> My apologies to all and especially to the Ultimate door people. It is a >> great door. >> >> Randy >> > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=34719#34719 > > >