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1. 01:17 AM - Re: Warpdrive Prop (John Anderson)
2. 05:41 AM - Re: Re: Hanger door cost and brain-based inflation (James C. Hartford)
3. 06:11 AM - Re: Dawn Patrol - Benton Harbor, MI - 5/21/05 (Lynn Matteson)
4. 08:15 AM - Re: Looking for list member - AWO Arlington, WA area (Joel Mapes)
5. 09:04 AM - Re: Looking for list member - AWO Arlington, WA area (Richard Rabbers)
6. 03:31 PM - Re: Re: Building and flying time (kurt schrader)
7. 04:24 PM - Broken Engine Mount, Model IV, 912 UL, 366 hours TT (Jimmie Blackwell)
8. 04:27 PM - Building and flying time +temps (John Anderson)
9. 04:35 PM - Kitfox for sale (Gill Levesque)
10. 05:20 PM - Re: Cheng/Shin tires (Rex Shaw)
11. 05:49 PM - Re: Cheng/Shin tires (Larry Huntley)
12. 06:29 PM - Re: Broken Engine Mount, Model IV, 912 UL, 366 hours TT (James C. Hartford)
13. 07:22 PM - Re: Re: Looking for list member - AWO Arlington, WA area (Malcolmbru@aol.com)
14. 10:42 PM - Re: Soob temps (kurt schrader)
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson" <janderson412@hotmail.com>
I did mine with an electronic inclinometer and tightened each blade just to
nip then cris/cross retorqued. 16 degs at the tip, but thats for a gutsy
turbo charged EA81
From: "Kirk Martenson" <kirk@mninter.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Warpdrive Prop
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kirk Martenson" <kirk@mninter.net>
Hello:
How are you guys pitching your Warpdrive 3 blade props?
I spoke with Kerry at Lockwood. He said for a Kitfox IV with a Rotax 912 =
UL and a 68" three blade Warpdrive, to go in two inches from the blade =
tip and pitch it to about 10.5 degrees. This will yield a static rpm of =
about 5500rpm.
He also said to use a smart level instead of the Warpdrive pro-tractor.
I have been trying to track all three blades the same by torquing one =
side of the prop hub before the other side to bring the blades as close =
as possible to one another. I was told to torque all the hub bolts using =
the criss-cross method regardless of the tracking.
What have others done?
Thanks,
Kirk Martenson
Classic IV
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| Subject: | Re: Hanger door cost and brain-based inflation |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "James C. Hartford" <jhartford@hartford-engineering.com>
Randy When I finally get my Fox in the air I will try to make a trip to
SD. Work seems to slow progress. I will get a month or two at a time
then have to head back to work and it might be months before I get back
to the plane.
Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy
Daughenbaugh
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 8:47 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Hanger door cost and brain-based inflation
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh"
<rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Jim,
Jared Schott is flying a fox from his ranch in north Central South
Dakota
near Timber Lake. I have been threatening to go visit him. May make it
someday.
Randy
.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James C.
Hartford
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 6:11 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Hanger door cost and brain-based inflation
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "James C. Hartford"
<jhartford@hartford-engineering.com>
Randy Good to hear from someone in the Dakota's. I am building a Model
II In Dickinson ND. If you get up this way give me a call. 701-290-9051.
Jim Hartford
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy
Daughenbaugh
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 7:33 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Hanger door cost and brain-based inflation
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh"
<rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Thanks Lowell. I fly from a strip on my ranch. We are about 4 - 5
miles
north of Mount Rushmore in the Black Hills of South Dakota. With Crazy
Horse, Devils Tower and the Badlands all close by, this is a great place
to
fly.
I am trying to break my tether, but so far have stayed in a 150 mile
radius.
Hoping to visit Longmont, Colorado, Sioux Center, Iowa, and Bozeman,
Montana this summer. I would sure like to make it to Cameron Park, but
my
wife and I are still stretching our wings.....
Randy
.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Hanger door cost and brain-based inflation
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Randy,
I like you hangar, your hangar door and especially your location.
Remind me
where you are based. I'm counting on you at the Cameron Park fly-in
this
year ;-).
Lowell
Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 11:10 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Hanger door cost and brain-based inflation
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh"
> <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
>
> Luis,
> I am happy to try to answer your questions. See below. Indented.
>
> Randy
>
> .
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of wingnut
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 10:47 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Hanger door cost and brain-based inflation
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
>
> That's more like it :-). I'd like to bounce a few more questions off
you
> if
> I may:
>
> Would you say that the $800 for the kit is a good investment? Is there
> anything included in it that would be difficult to fabricate from
scratch?
>
> This is a tough one. The rails are the pieces that would be hard to
> build from
> scratch. You could probably make them by splicing pieces of common
rails
> together. It would take sometime to collect the pulleys, cable, cable
> clamps, corner gussets, etc. I mean you could save a considerable
amount
> by
> building a kitfox from scratch, but it would take a lot of time and
some
> engineering in selection of parts.
>
>
> What is the purpose of the pronounced dip at the end of the overhead
> track?
> Could the door be build with a flat track like they use for garage
doors?
>
> The cables are in the vertical center of the door and just lift the
> center of the door straight up. The purpose of the overhead track is
to
> tip
> the door as the center moves straight up. The first movement of the
door
> is
> straight up. Snow would not prevent you from opening the door. Then
the
> door is angled out until the "dip" at the end positions the door
pointing
> straight out at the top of the opening. This way you only lose a few
> inches
> of clearance and don't need a really tall opening.
>
>
> Does the door use a counterweight or some kind of spring to help lift
it?
>
> The plans call for counterbalancing all but 200 lbs. The 200 lbs
> weight on the door keep the door down so the initial vertical part of
the
> rails hold the door against the wind. The door built with the
materials
> that I used is rated to withstand a 90 mph wind. My counter balance
> weights can be seen in the third picture under "gotta-haves" at the
> Sportfllight site.
>
>
http://www.sportflight.com/cgi-bin/uploader.pl?action=view&epoch=1146116
979
>
> Randy
>
> Thanks,
> Luis R
>
>
>>
>> You guys are right. I had to dig out my records, but the cost was
more
> like
>> $1400.
>>
>> The kit was $797. the skin - translucent fiberglass - was $329, a
winch
> was
>> $97, and another $120 for wood.
>>
>> My apologies to all and especially to the Ultimate door people. It is
a
>> great door.
>>
>> Randy
>>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=34719#34719
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Dawn Patrol - Benton Harbor, MI - 5/21/05 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Thanks for the reminder, Richard. I'm going to start making postings
regarding the June 11 fly-in in a week of so, just to alert folks.
Lynn
On Tuesday, May 16, 2006, at 10:46 PM, Richard Rabbers wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Richard Rabbers"
> <rira1950@yahoo.com>
>
> Dawn Patrol fly-in this coming Sunday (5/21) at BEH (Benton Harbor,MI)
> The turn out has varied over the years. Im not aware of any special
> events this year other than a classic car show.
> - It's been foggy lately - hopefully the moisture will have moved out
> by this weekend.
>
> I look forward to meeting anyone that may drop in.
>
> Ill be riding my bike:)
> I'll most likely be driving to Lynn's Fly-in event in Jackson on 6/11
> :)
>
> Do not archive
>
> --------
> Richard in SW Michigan
> Model 1 / 618 - full-lotus floats (restoration)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=34961#34961
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for list member - AWO Arlington, WA area |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Joel Mapes" <foxfloatflyer@hotmail.com>
Hi Richard,
I will be at AWO this Saturday, the 20th for an NWEAA meeting. If your
seller could meet me at the EAA hanger near the ultralight area around noon
I could take a look at the float for you.
Joel
Model 5 912 GTA CS prop Aerocomp amphibs
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for list member - AWO Arlington, WA area |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Richard Rabbers" <rira1950@yahoo.com>
Joel Mapes
> I will be at AWO this Saturday, the 20th for an NWEAA meeting.
Joel, THANK YOU - PEFECT - I've contacted the seller - he can meet you on Saturday.
I'll Email you off list to exchange contact info.
I'd be happy to reciprocate if you ever have needs over this way!
Richard
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Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=35032#35032
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| Subject: | Re: Building and flying time |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Hey Jim,
We know what you mean. Well, there are those retired
guys with lots of time, but they paid to get there.
It took me 6 years to get mine flying. And then I had
to pay back for the time consentrated at the end for
testing. And I haven't flown my Fox since moving to
Florida last year. Just too busy.
But today I decided to just go for it. Forget the
rest, it was supposed to be a great day and so I got
up early, carefully preped the plane and just took
off. Ahhhh yes, even turbulence can feel good if you
haven't had it in a while. Isn't this what I did all
that work for?
My coolant was in the 160's. My oil temp was in the
180's. Gearbox temp good. Oil pressure 49 psi.
Those I was pleased with. Even a bit surprised over,
given Florida temps.
Cockpit temps up to 87 F. I could use more pilot
cooling. :-)
Only egt's and fuel/air ratio bothered me. Full rich
was just barely enough to give me 1400 F in cruise.
This is still a mystery with my plane. One flight it
runs high egts and the next it is right in there,
leanable and fine.
Gosh, it was nice to "worry" about tweeking and
flying.... I slowed down to enjoy it. Tried for 60
knots, but the lifties kept me diving between thermals
and I got to 75 from time to time to hold altitude.
3.5 GPH at around 80 mph in a fat S-5.
I accepted the first landing as good enough. 8 mph of
headwind and so I had to taxi to the turnoff. Let the
plane cool down outside while I installed a bottom
hangar door gasket to keep the grass clippings and
dirt out. Not sure I like rolling doors....
And then back to the real world. It was like turning
the noise off for awhile, and then turning it back on.
You'll get there too Jim.
Kurt S. S-5 W/68 hrs of flight time.
Do not archive
--- "James C. Hartford"
<jhartford@hartford-engineering.com> wrote:
> Randy, When I finally get my Fox in the air I will
> try to make a trip to SD. Work seems to slow
> progress. I will get a month or two at a time
> then have to head back to work and it might be
> months before I get back to the plane.
>
> Jim
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| Subject: | Broken Engine Mount, Model IV, 912 UL, 366 hours TT |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jimmie Blackwell <jimmieblackwell@sbcglobal.net>
During preflight today I discovered that part of my upper right engine mount was
broken completely through. Recommend everyone have a close look at your engine
mounts. This has been a preflight item for me since I first flew the plane
and I sure am glad that I found it on the ground and not in the air.
I forwarded Don a picture to post on Sportflight.
If anyone has questions feel free to contact me.
Jimmie
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| Subject: | Building and flying time +temps |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson" <janderson412@hotmail.com>
1400F is not too bad is it Kurt? I'm 760-780c and water 90c, oil 95 on
climb and 80 cruise.
Took me 10 years to build mine, slow eh....John
From: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Building and flying time
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
<smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Hey Jim,
We know what you mean. Well, there are those retired
guys with lots of time, but they paid to get there.
It took me 6 years to get mine flying. And then I had
to pay back for the time consentrated at the end for
testing. And I haven't flown my Fox since moving to
Florida last year. Just too busy.
But today I decided to just go for it. Forget the
rest, it was supposed to be a great day and so I got
up early, carefully preped the plane and just took
off. Ahhhh yes, even turbulence can feel good if you
haven't had it in a while. Isn't this what I did all
that work for?
My coolant was in the 160's. My oil temp was in the
180's. Gearbox temp good. Oil pressure 49 psi.
Those I was pleased with. Even a bit surprised over,
given Florida temps.
Cockpit temps up to 87 F. I could use more pilot
cooling. :-)
Only egt's and fuel/air ratio bothered me. Full rich
was just barely enough to give me 1400 F in cruise.
This is still a mystery with my plane. One flight it
runs high egts and the next it is right in there,
leanable and fine.
Gosh, it was nice to "worry" about tweeking and
flying.... I slowed down to enjoy it. Tried for 60
knots, but the lifties kept me diving between thermals
and I got to 75 from time to time to hold altitude.
3.5 GPH at around 80 mph in a fat S-5.
I accepted the first landing as good enough. 8 mph of
headwind and so I had to taxi to the turnoff. Let the
plane cool down outside while I installed a bottom
hangar door gasket to keep the grass clippings and
dirt out. Not sure I like rolling doors....
And then back to the real world. It was like turning
the noise off for awhile, and then turning it back on.
You'll get there too Jim.
Kurt S. S-5 W/68 hrs of flight time.
Do not archive
--- "James C. Hartford"
<jhartford@hartford-engineering.com> wrote:
>Randy, When I finally get my Fox in the air I will
>try to make a trip to SD. Work seems to slow
>progress. I will get a month or two at a time
>then have to head back to work and it might be
>months before I get back to the plane.
>
>Jim
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Gill Levesque <canpilot03@yahoo.ca>
Hi All,
Due to unforseen circumstances I sadly announce that my beloved Kitfox Model
4 1050 is for sale!
. 100hrs. TTAE, 582 grey head with 3:1 redrive ,no spinner.
factory refinished GSC three blade prop(sept/05)
Factory custom seat cover,baggage sack and cover,door and windshield post
panels, carpet kick panels, nice panel with AS,ALT,VSI,Quad EGT/CHT,slip indicator,2
Tachs,water temp, ELT remote, Garmin 12 GPS, Panel mounted Delcom radio,
wing strut cuffs, wing tip strobes,Tinted Lexan all around !
A good looking and great flying ( cruise 95 mph ind. solo!!) plane!
Plane is in Southern Ontario Canada
Must sell price reduced to
$25,000.00 CAN obo.
Email me off list for pics and any questions
Gil Levesque
C-IGVL
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| Subject: | Re: Cheng/Shin tires |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
Hi ! Larry,
yes they are buffed down by a recapping shop. However I =
swapped to Lawnmower/Golf Cart tyres with a mild tread made by Goodyear =
in USA. I think they are 16.50 x 7 x 8. They are 4 ply whereas the =
originals are only two ply so don't get punctures all the time. As they =
are slightly smaller they are still only about the same weight and don't =
touch the inside of the wheel pants at times like the originals. I am =
very much happy with these,
Rex Shaw.
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| Subject: | Re: Cheng/Shin tires |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Larry Huntley" <asq1@adelphia.net>
Hi Rex,
I found some tires I think I will try from John McBean. They are a little
larger,but for the flying I do with the Fox,fatter is better and I don't
have thorns to contend with. Also,I never use wheel pants so that is not a
problem.
I think I will still try to see if I can get a recapper to buff down a set
of the old type ,Just to see..
Thanx for the info. Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rex Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 12:51 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Cheng/Shin tires
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
>
> Hi ! Larry,
> yes they are buffed down by a recapping shop. However I =
> swapped to Lawnmower/Golf Cart tyres with a mild tread made by Goodyear =
> in USA. I think they are 16.50 x 7 x 8. They are 4 ply whereas the =
> originals are only two ply so don't get punctures all the time. As they =
> are slightly smaller they are still only about the same weight and don't =
> touch the inside of the wheel pants at times like the originals. I am =
> very much happy with these,
> Rex Shaw.
>
>
> --
> No virus found in this incoming message.
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| Subject: | Broken Engine Mount, Model IV, 912 UL, 366 hours TT |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "James C. Hartford" <jhartford@hartford-engineering.com>
I can't wait. Got around to cleaning up the work shop this afternoon.
But will be gone for the next three weeks. Looking forward to those days
when all I have to do is look at the landscape from just above the
trees.
Thanks Jim H
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jimmie
Blackwell
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 4:24 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Broken Engine Mount, Model IV, 912 UL, 366 hours
TT
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jimmie Blackwell
<jimmieblackwell@sbcglobal.net>
During preflight today I discovered that part of my upper right engine
mount was broken completely through. Recommend everyone have a close
look at your engine mounts. This has been a preflight item for me since
I first flew the plane and I sure am glad that I found it on the ground
and not in the air.
I forwarded Don a picture to post on Sportflight.
If anyone has questions feel free to contact me.
Jimmie
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for list member - AWO Arlington, WA area |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Malcolmbru@aol.com
How much is he asking for them? I may be interested if you cant decide fast
enough mal
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Hi John and Rick,
It is my understanding from the experience of others
here that you are OK up to 788 C/1450 F EGT. Rick is
one of our GURU's for SS valves and other engine
improvements that keep them running, so I follow his
advice. I still have the origional valves, but I
think it is good to stay 1450 with the SS valves too.
Is that right Rick?
Oh, we take the EGT reading about 1" or 2.5 cm on the
pipe below the heads. Different results for different
locations.
I try to run 1450 F/788 C in cruise and can usually
lean a bit to get that. Today my Fuel/Air gauge was
showing on peak at a little less EGT, but full rich.
Probably a lack of use problem giving some gauge
error, but I left it run full rich just in case.
Usually my F/A gauge shows rich at 1450, so I feel
safe to lean to it.
Your 760 EGT might carbon you up a bit, if you use
that for cruise. Seems a touch rich, but you will
know from experience.
I have to lean mine for taxi and runup or it shudders.
That is because I have a rich idle port setting,
since there is no choke for winter ops.
On my engine, I can take off at full power, full rich
and see well under 1400 F. When I reduce power the
EGT's rise as I reduce thru 4000 RPM, then falls
again. I haven't found a prop/power setting that will
keep me under 1450 in cruise in a range of 3600-4200
rpm. Maybe with more time I will. The engine isn't
broken in until 300 hrs.
I rebuilt my CAP prop and it works better than new,
but now its smoothest RPM is about 3200 instead of the
3900 I had before. Since 3200 engine rpm gives me a
good egt, I cruise there. I set 5.5 GPH on the flow
meter leaned to 1450 and use that for cruise speed.
Until I have some more anti-drag devices installed, it
feels like the plane is working too hard for little
more speed above those power settings. This is good
for 85-95 knots or 98 to 110 mph depending on
thermals. ;-)
Sounds like your water is right on, but the oil is
just a bit cool. That is the better fault to have.
:-) I think if you could keep the oil at 95, that
would be better.
Took me 6 years to build mine. Took you 10 years to
design, create and then build yours. The Wright
Brothers built theirs in less time, but I think we out
fly them by a bit.
Kurt S.
--- John Anderson <janderson412@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 1400F is not too bad is it Kurt? I'm 760-780c and
> water 90c, oil 95 on climb and 80 cruise.
> Took me 10 years to build mine, slow eh....John
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