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1. 02:25 AM - Re: Gap Seal Affect (QSS)
2. 03:09 AM - Re: A Young Eagle Flies in a Kitfox (Brett Walmsley)
3. 03:33 AM - Re: Gap Seal Affect (Larry Huntley)
4. 03:34 AM - Re: A Young Eagle Flies in a Kitfox (Ceashman@aol.com)
5. 03:35 AM - Re: Gap Seal Affect (David Dawe)
6. 04:04 AM - Re: Gap Seal Affect (Fox5flyer)
7. 04:06 AM - Re: Gap Seal Affect (Bradley M Webb)
8. 04:14 AM - Re: A Young Eagle Flies in a Kitfox (Bradley M Webb)
9. 04:18 AM - Re: Gap Seal Affect (Bradley M Webb)
10. 04:22 AM - Re: 582 price (Bradley M Webb)
11. 04:33 AM - Aft CG WAS: Gap Seal Affect (Michel Verheughe)
12. 04:43 AM - SV: Gap Seal Affect (Michel Verheughe)
13. 04:46 AM - Re: Wood Prop Advice (Clifford Begnaud)
14. 04:56 AM - Re: Gap Seal Affect (Bradley M Webb)
15. 04:58 AM - Re: Aft CG WAS: Gap Seal Affect (Bradley M Webb)
16. 05:32 AM - Re: A Young Eagle Flies in a Kitfox (Dee Young)
17. 05:43 AM - Re: A Young Eagle Flies in a Kitfox (Dan Billingsley)
18. 05:43 AM - Re: 582 price (Clem Nichols)
19. 05:54 AM - Do you have the experience but not the Degree? (Sang Perez)
20. 06:09 AM - Woodcomp propeller (Al.bijkerk)
21. 06:11 AM - Re: Aft CG WAS: Gap Seal Affect (wingnut)
22. 06:38 AM - SV: Aft CG (Michel Verheughe)
23. 06:53 AM - Simulator WAS: Aft CG (Michel Verheughe)
24. 06:54 AM - Re: A Young Eagle Flies in a Kitfox (Lowell Fitt)
25. 07:12 AM - Re: Simulator WAS: Aft CG (wingnut)
26. 08:24 AM - Re: A Young Eagle Flies in a Kitfox (Joel Mapes)
27. 09:11 AM - Re: A Young Eagle Flies in a Kitfox (Clint Bazzill)
28. 09:50 AM - Flight Check-out (Guy Buchanan)
29. 10:13 AM - Re: Do you have the experience but not the Degree? (Matt Dralle)
30. 10:21 AM - Re: Flight Check-out (Don Smythe)
31. 01:34 PM - CFI's in So California with KF experience (Harris, Robert)
32. 02:00 PM - Re: CFI's in So California with KF experience (Guy Buchanan)
33. 02:00 PM - Re: Flight Check-out (Guy Buchanan)
34. 02:23 PM - Re: Wood Prop Advice (Michael Meyers)
35. 02:36 PM - Re: Wood Prop Advice (Michael Meyers)
36. 05:34 PM - Re: Wood Prop Advice (Clifford Begnaud)
37. 05:49 PM - Re: Simulator WAS: Aft CG (alnanarthur)
38. 06:06 PM - Ribs (Bill Pleso)
39. 08:02 PM - Re: Re: Aft CG WAS: Gap Seal Affect (noel anderson)
40. 08:02 PM - Re: Ribs (Lowell Fitt)
41. 11:02 PM - Series 7 Stick Forces? (darinh)
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| Subject: | Re: Gap Seal Affect |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "QSS" <msm@byterocky.net>
Hi Roger, I'll echo Michels sentiments here also. I couldn't believe the
difference after filling the control surface gaps on my model 1. I think the
greatest benefit for me was the confidence it gave me in landing because I
new the responce from both elevators and the rudder would be there when
needed the most. Before my 1V is complete I will definetly be filling gaps
because in comparison to the model 1, they are much larger between elevator
and rudder and I feel a lot of authority can be gained by applying a simple
fix.
Regards
Graeme -----
Original Message -----
From: "Michel Verheughe" <michel@online.no>
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 4:24 PM
Subject: SV: Kitfox-List: Gap Seal Affect
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
>> From: Donna and Roger McConnell [rdmac@swbell.net]
>> ...Opinions and comments please.
>
> Hello Roger,
> Before I gap sealed my model 3, I couldn't do a 3-points landing, the
> plane would stall and touch the ground with the main gear first, even when
> I was with the stick in my stomach. Now, it's just perfect.
> I don't notice any more sensibility in the pitch, only that little extra
> authority when the stick is entirely pulled and the plane is near stall
> speed.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: A Young Eagle Flies in a Kitfox |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brett Walmsley" <n93hj@numail.org>
Stan,
That is absolutley wonderful.
Thanks for sharing.
----- Original Message -----
From: <SOURDOSTAN@aol.com>
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 1:04 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: A Young Eagle Flies in a Kitfox
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: SOURDOSTAN@aol.com
>
> I thought some of you might like to see a Young Eagles trip report. I had
> to
> get a Special VFR to take the young lad for his ride. Visit
> http://www.cbs4denver.com/video/?id=16984@kcnc.dayport.com
>
>
> Stan Specht
> Kitfox Model IV Speedster "Columbine"
> Denver, Colorado
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Gap Seal Affect |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Larry Huntley" <asq1@adelphia.net>
My experience with the 4-1200 Soob was exactly the same. Larry Huntley
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel Verheughe" <michel@online.no>
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 2:24 AM
Subject: SV: Kitfox-List: Gap Seal Affect
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
>> From: Donna and Roger McConnell [rdmac@swbell.net]
>> ...Opinions and comments please.
>
> Hello Roger,
> Before I gap sealed my model 3, I couldn't do a 3-points landing, the
> plane would stall and touch the ground with the main gear first, even when
> I was with the stick in my stomach. Now, it's just perfect.
> I don't notice any more sensibility in the pitch, only that little extra
> authority when the stick is entirely pulled and the plane is near stall
> speed.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: A Young Eagle Flies in a Kitfox |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Ceashman@aol.com
Stan.
Some really good footage and publicity for the EAA.
I can see you have a kind spot for kids.
I particularly liked the spot where you guys walk away from the airplane and
there she stands with the mountains in the background.
Kudos to you Stan, with the TV station film crew and special VFR, the big
stuff taking off in the background. Does not make this a normal Sunday morning
hop and you handled it like a pro. Did you ever work for an airline? with that
calm pilots voice :)
Conclusion:
One very happy respectful young man.
One very good looking Kitfox.
One content pilot.--- purrr
Thanks for sharing. Eric.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Dawe" <davedawe@msn.com>
Any photos showing gap seal installed
>From: "John Anderson" <janderson412@hotmail.com>
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Gap Seal Affect
>Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 14:36:22 +1200
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson"
><janderson412@hotmail.com>
>
>
>Most of the 5s and up seem to have a forward CofG configuration due to
>heavy
>engines, it helps getting the a/c to stall.
>
>
>From: "Donna and Roger McConnell" <rdmac@swbell.net>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Gap Seal Affect
>Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 21:21:06 -0500
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Donna and Roger McConnell"
><rdmac@swbell.net>
>
> I'm getting ready to look into sealing the gap between the
>elevator and stab. on my model 7 and was wandering what affect it had on
>the
>flying characteristics.
>
>Does it make it more pitch sensitive or just give you more pitch authority?
>I read in the archives that sealing the gap gives you more pitch authority
>but does it also make it more pitch sensitive? And what about speed does it
>help out any there too...Opinions and comments please.
>
> Roger Mac
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Gap Seal Affect |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
You probably won't notice an iota of difference in cruise, but with mine
there was a definite increase in the flare performance.
Deke
>
> I'm getting ready to look into sealing the gap between the
> elevator and stab. on my model 7 and was wandering what affect it had on
the
> flying characteristics.
>
> Does it make it more pitch sensitive or just give you more pitch
authority?
> I read in the archives that sealing the gap gives you more pitch authority
> but does it also make it more pitch sensitive? And what about speed does
it
> help out any there too...Opinions and comments please.
>
> Roger Mac
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bradley M Webb" <bmwebb@cox.net>
My experience has been positive, as well. Although, I didn't notice a huge
change, it did give me some more authority at low speeds.
Sealing gaps in control surfaces does not change flutter characteristics.
Some testing years ago (working from a faded memory here), showed that gaps
contribute to something like 30% control effectiveness loss. Nature abhors a
vacuum, and seeks low pressure. So the leak from one side to the other
affects the ability of the control to do its job.
I did not notice any sensitivity increase on my 2. I used thick laminating
film from the office supply store, and applied it like the pics on
Sportflight.com. Very easy to do, took all of 30 minutes to apply, and is
virtually invisible.
If you do run into sensitivity issues, you can correct that with CG changes.
Moving the CG forward "softens" the elevator, and aft makes it more
sensitive and gives more authority. Too far forward, and you might not be
able to raise the nose at low speeds. Too far aft, and it will get so
sensitive as to be uncontrollable.
Bradley
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Larry Huntley" <asq1@adelphia.net>
My experience with the 4-1200 Soob was exactly the same. Larry Huntley
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel Verheughe" <michel@online.no>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
>> From: Donna and Roger McConnell [rdmac@swbell.net]
>> ...Opinions and comments please.
>
> Hello Roger,
> Before I gap sealed my model 3, I couldn't do a 3-points landing, the
> plane would stall and touch the ground with the main gear first, even when
> I was with the stick in my stomach. Now, it's just perfect.
> I don't notice any more sensibility in the pitch, only that little extra
> authority when the stick is entirely pulled and the plane is near stall
> speed.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
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| Subject: | A Young Eagle Flies in a Kitfox |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bradley M Webb" <bmwebb@cox.net>
Stan,
I'm in awe. You should be very proud of that. That young man will remember
that for the rest of his life. I did.
The news nowadays needs more stories like that.
You are a credit and a valuable asset to the community. Keep it up.
Oh yeah, I wish my KF looked half as good as that.
Bradley
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
SOURDOSTAN@aol.com
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 1:04 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: A Young Eagle Flies in a Kitfox
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: SOURDOSTAN@aol.com
I thought some of you might like to see a Young Eagles trip report. I had
to
get a Special VFR to take the young lad for his ride. Visit
http://www.cbs4denver.com/video/?id=16984@kcnc.dayport.com
Stan Specht
Kitfox Model IV Speedster "Columbine"
Denver, Colorado
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bradley M Webb" <bmwebb@cox.net>
Michel,
I meant to ask you a while back on this subject: how is your CG? Mine
is(was) a bit nose heavy, and I think that is why I couldn't 3 point with
flaps. The gap seals have helped, but to get the tail wheel down, it's still
tough.
I'm in the midst of an engine change, so my CG is somewhere near the
elevator at the moment. But I am going to try to get it further aft when
done.
Bradley
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michel
Verheughe
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 2:25 AM
Subject: SV: Kitfox-List: Gap Seal Affect
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: Donna and Roger McConnell [rdmac@swbell.net]
> ...Opinions and comments please.
Hello Roger,
Before I gap sealed my model 3, I couldn't do a 3-points landing, the plane
would stall and touch the ground with the main gear first, even when I was
with the stick in my stomach. Now, it's just perfect.
I don't notice any more sensibility in the pitch, only that little extra
authority when the stick is entirely pulled and the plane is near stall
speed.
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bradley M Webb" <bmwebb@cox.net>
Be careful here. That also doesn't include the muffler, radiators, overflow
tank, fuel pump, air filters, oil tank, and maybe a few other things I
forgot.
582's are not cheap, by any means, when a running combo is first added up,
and then you get to pay through the nose for it for the rest of the time you
own it.
Bradley
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marco Menezes
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 12:32 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 582 price
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com>
Nope. That's another $538.
Fox5flyer <morid@northland.lib.mi.us> wrote: --> Kitfox-List message posted
by: "Fox5flyer"
Thanks Marco. Does that include the starter?
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marco Menezes"
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 6:36 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 582 price
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Marco Menezes
>
> Hi Deke.
>
> Last LEAF catalog I have (I think its the newest one) has new 582 with C
drive for $5701. With E drive, it's $6157.
>
>
> Fox5flyer wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer"
>
> Can anybody give me a close ballpark figure for what a brand new 582 =
> blue head with elect start goes for retail? Not sure which box it has, =
> but it's either a C or E box, probably E.
> Thanks,
> Deke
>
>
> Marco Menezes
> Model 2 582 N99KX
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
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| Subject: | Aft CG WAS: Gap Seal Affect |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: Bradley M Webb [bmwebb@cox.net]
> Too far aft, and it will get so sensitive as to be uncontrollable.
I am not a test pilot and I strive to keep my CG exactly where it should be. But,
in the flight simulator I use, I experiment a bit and my experience is that,
if the CG is rather aft, the stall characteristics change in the way that the
plane stalls from one wing or the other and it's difficult to "mush down" as
I do with the real plane. An aft CG also makes the virtual Kitfox more prone
to ground loop.
I don't know if this is true for real-life and I don't want to base my knowledge
on a computer model but ... does this make sense to you guys?
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: Bradley M Webb [bmwebb@cox.net]
> I meant to ask you a while back on this subject: how is your CG?
Well, at my last annual, in March, the CG was exactly where it should be, maybe
a few millimeter forward the center, which is marked on my wing. With the 582,
the CG was a few millimeter aft of the center. Since then, I have a Jabiru and
a battery moved behind the seats. For the reasons I explain in my previous
email regarding the behaviour in the simulator, I feel better with a bit fore
than aft of the center.
I gap sealed my wings one and half year ago. But last fall, the tapes felt off
the outer part of the elevator. I cut those tapes so that I can inspect the hinges.
Anyway, this winter, I flew with a "half gap sealing" and last week-end,
after replacing those who were gone, I noticed a difference when landing. Once
again, I was on a true three-points, the tailwheel meeting the ground at the
same time as the main gear.
This being said, I have even gap sealed my rudder. Somehow, I feel that it will
give me more authority in landing in a crosswind, to avoid weathervaning. But
... I haven't tried that one yet! :-) Still, I figure that if it helps the elevator,
it must also help the rudder because on my model 3, the gaps are exactly
of the same size.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Wood Prop Advice |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
Michael,
I've had good success with my Aymar-Demuth wood prop on a Lycoming 0-235. I
would recommend it.
Cliff
Good Afternoon Ladies and Gentlemen:
I own a KF Model IV with a Cont. 0-200 engine. I have used a McCauley =
DCM6948 metal prop on my plane for the last four years and it has served =
me fine. I want to try a wood prop on the plane and I would like to =
hear suggestions from the list participants on what is a good prop to =
try.
Michael Meyers
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bradley M Webb" <bmwebb@cox.net>
I gap sealed my rudder, for the same reasons that you stated. Seems to be
ok. At least, I haven't noticed any adverse effects.
I didn't mention the effects of CG on the Yaw axis. I assume it could make
the tail squirrelly with aft CG. Good point.
Bradley
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michel
Verheughe
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 7:43 AM
Subject: SV: Kitfox-List: Gap Seal Affect
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: Bradley M Webb [bmwebb@cox.net]
> I meant to ask you a while back on this subject: how is your CG?
Well, at my last annual, in March, the CG was exactly where it should be,
maybe a few millimeter forward the center, which is marked on my wing. With
the 582, the CG was a few millimeter aft of the center. Since then, I have a
Jabiru and a battery moved behind the seats. For the reasons I explain in my
previous email regarding the behaviour in the simulator, I feel better with
a bit fore than aft of the center.
I gap sealed my wings one and half year ago. But last fall, the tapes felt
off the outer part of the elevator. I cut those tapes so that I can inspect
the hinges. Anyway, this winter, I flew with a "half gap sealing" and last
week-end, after replacing those who were gone, I noticed a difference when
landing. Once again, I was on a true three-points, the tailwheel meeting the
ground at the same time as the main gear.
This being said, I have even gap sealed my rudder. Somehow, I feel that it
will give me more authority in landing in a crosswind, to avoid
weathervaning. But ... I haven't tried that one yet! :-) Still, I figure
that if it helps the elevator, it must also help the rudder because on my
model 3, the gaps are exactly of the same size.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Aft CG WAS: Gap Seal Affect |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bradley M Webb" <bmwebb@cox.net>
At least my RC aerobatic aircraft behaves as you said. Forward CG, and full
stall mushes wings level. Aft CG, and it starts wing rocking. But the aft CG
sure makes the responsiveness better.
Bradley
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michel
Verheughe
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 7:32 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Aft CG WAS: Gap Seal Affect
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: Bradley M Webb [bmwebb@cox.net]
> Too far aft, and it will get so sensitive as to be uncontrollable.
I am not a test pilot and I strive to keep my CG exactly where it should be.
But, in the flight simulator I use, I experiment a bit and my experience is
that, if the CG is rather aft, the stall characteristics change in the way
that the plane stalls from one wing or the other and it's difficult to "mush
down" as I do with the real plane. An aft CG also makes the virtual Kitfox
more prone to ground loop.
I don't know if this is true for real-life and I don't want to base my
knowledge on a computer model but ... does this make sense to you guys?
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: A Young Eagle Flies in a Kitfox |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" <henrysfork1@msn.com>
Way to go guys, our chapter did the something similar. They contacted =
the state school for the Deaf and Blind. It went over very well with the =
kids and staff.
Dee
Model II
Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: A Young Eagle Flies in a Kitfox |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dan Billingsley <dan@azshowersolutions.com>
Very cool Stan...that's what it's all about :>)
Dan B
Mesa, AZ
SOURDOSTAN@aol.com wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: SOURDOSTAN@aol.com
I thought some of you might like to see a Young Eagles trip report. I had to
get a Special VFR to take the young lad for his ride. Visit
http://www.cbs4denver.com/video/?id=16984@kcnc.dayport.com
Stan Specht
Kitfox Model IV Speedster "Columbine"
Denver, Colorado
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clem Nichols" <cnichols@scrtc.com>
If I'm not badly mistaken, the E box includes a built-in starter.
Clem Nichols
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marco Menezes" <msm_9949@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 11:32 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 582 price
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com>
>
> Nope. That's another $538.
>
> Fox5flyer <morid@northland.lib.mi.us> wrote: --> Kitfox-List message
> posted by: "Fox5flyer"
>
> Thanks Marco. Does that include the starter?
> Deke
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Marco Menezes"
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 6:36 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 582 price
>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Marco Menezes
>>
>> Hi Deke.
>>
>> Last LEAF catalog I have (I think its the newest one) has new 582 with C
> drive for $5701. With E drive, it's $6157.
>>
>>
>> Fox5flyer wrote:
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer"
>>
>> Can anybody give me a close ballpark figure for what a brand new 582 =
>> blue head with elect start goes for retail? Not sure which box it has, =
>> but it's either a C or E box, probably E.
>> Thanks,
>> Deke
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Marco Menezes
>> Model 2 582 N99KX
>>
>> ---------------------------------
>>
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>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Blab-away for as little as 1/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo!
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>
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| Subject: | Do you have the experience but not the Degree? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Sang Perez" <info@matronics.com>
University Degree
OBTAIN A PROSPEROUS FUTURE, MONEY-EARNING POWER, AND THE PRESTIGE THAT COMES WITH
HAVING THE CAREER POSITION YOUVE ALWAYS DREAMED OF. DIPLOMA FROM PRESTIGIOUS
NON-ACCREDITED UNVERSITIES BASED ON YOUR PRESENT KNOWLEDGE AND PROFESSIONAL
EXPERIENCE.
If you qualify, no required tests, classes, books or examinations.
Confidentiality Assured
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| Subject: | Woodcomp propeller |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Al.bijkerk" <al.bijkerk@rdnet.nl>
Hello Ladies and Gentlemen,
Is there anybody who flies or knows somebody who is flying a Kitfox S5 with
a Rotax 912UL engine (80 HP) with a Woodcomp SR200 3-blade propeller?
Andy
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| Subject: | Re: Aft CG WAS: Gap Seal Affect |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
> I don't know if this is true for real-life and I don't want to base my knowledge
on a computer model but ... does this make sense to you guys?
Computer model? Can you post more info on that? Is it a custom sim or a new plane
model for an existing sim? Would it be possible for me to acquire one?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=35383#35383
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: Bradley M Webb [bmwebb@cox.net]
>At least my RC aerobatic aircraft behaves as you said.
Interesting. Thank you, Bradley
Michel
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| Subject: | Simulator WAS: Aft CG |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: wingnut [wingnut@spamarrest.com]
> Computer model? Can you post more info on that? Is it a custom sim or a new plane
> model for an existing sim? Would it be possible for me to acquire one?
Well, as PC-based flight simulation, there is Microsoft Flight Simulator, a well
known best-seller and indeed, an incredible program. But I have been, since
1998, using another, less known simulator, X-Plane. For one good reason, X-Plane
is made for both the PC and the Macintosh, and I have the latter. But also
for another reason: we believe it has a better flight model than Microsoft. Here
is why: While MS FS does a very good job at reproducing every detail of an
aicraft, it bases its aero-dynamic model on look-up tables. E.g. when creating
an aircraft, you enter the stall speed. When flying the aircraft, that, plus
other parameters will be integrated and the plane will stall at that speed.
In X-Plane, you can't do that. You have to build your aircraft from a series of
airfoils, each with its lift, drag, moment, AoA, etc, in each detail. Then you
fly the plane. If it stalls at the POH indicated value you're either extremely
lucky or extremely good at modelling aircraft. You have then to find out why
it does what it does and work on hundreds of parameters until you come to the
correct behaviour. X-Plane uses the so-called "Blade Element" theory to build
its models. It is, in fact, a computerized wind tunnel. The scenery is not as
nice as MS FS but for those interested in aviation modelling, it is IMHO the
best simulator. If you have a joystick and pedals, it can also be a good way
to learn to fly.
I have, in the past three years, refined the model of my Kitfox and learnt a lot
in the process.
You can find a demo version of X-Plane at: www.x-plane.com
and my Kitfox model with 3D cockpit is at: www.x-plane.org
Or you can write to me privately if you want me to send the model directly.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: A Young Eagle Flies in a Kitfox |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Hi Stan,
Good job, but who was the handsome guy flying the airplane, It didn't look
like the Sourdough, I see from time to time. This was a great way to start
a day. Everything just looks brighter and better now.
Thanks for the link.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: <SOURDOSTAN@aol.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 10:04 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: A Young Eagle Flies in a Kitfox
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: SOURDOSTAN@aol.com
>
> I thought some of you might like to see a Young Eagles trip report. I had
> to
> get a Special VFR to take the young lad for his ride. Visit
> http://www.cbs4denver.com/video/?id=16984@kcnc.dayport.com
>
>
> Stan Specht
> Kitfox Model IV Speedster "Columbine"
> Denver, Colorado
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Simulator WAS: Aft CG |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
Would you happen to know of a kitfox model for MS simulator? I ask because I happen
to own that one.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=35389#35389
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| Subject: | Re: A Young Eagle Flies in a Kitfox |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Joel Mapes" <foxfloatflyer@hotmail.com>
Hi Stan,
Well done! That was a great piece and a wonderful promotion of the Young
Eagles program. Last year at the Bremerton Blackberry Festival Fly-in and
Young Eagles Rally EAA Chapter 406 flew 122 young eagles. But it's not about
numbers, it's about each youngster individually, as the smile on Allen's
face will atest.
Thank you for sharing,
Joel
President, EAA Chapter 406 'Olympic Rainbirds'
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| Subject: | A Young Eagle Flies in a Kitfox |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clint Bazzill" <clint_bazzill@hotmail.com>
Good job Stan. Still working on video's from Alaska trip. Clint
From: SOURDOSTAN@aol.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: A Young Eagle Flies in a Kitfox
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: SOURDOSTAN@aol.com
I thought some of you might like to see a Young Eagles trip report. I had
to
get a Special VFR to take the young lad for his ride. Visit
http://www.cbs4denver.com/video/?id=16984@kcnc.dayport.com
Stan Specht
Kitfox Model IV Speedster "Columbine"
Denver, Colorado
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| Subject: | Flight Check-out |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
All,
I'm nearing completion. Really. I'm just weeks away! (HAHAHA!)
I've checked into insurance and they want me to have five hours in a tail
wheel Kitfox before they'll insure me. How have you handled a similar
requirement? Is there anyone within Bonanza range of SoCal that would be
able to help me obtain the five hours? I'm currently getting refreshed in
tailwheel flying in a Decathlon, but that won't necessarily make me
proficient in a Kitfox.
Thanks in advance,
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: Do you have the experience but not the Degree? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Sorry this spam slipped through. I've remedied the issue.
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin
At 06:53 AM 5/19/2006 Friday, you wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Sang Perez" <info@matronics.com>
>
>
>University Degree
>
>OBTAIN A PROSPEROUS FUTURE, MONEY-EARNING POWER, AND THE PRESTIGE THAT COMES WITH
HAVING THE CAREER POSITION YOUVE ALWAYS DREAMED OF. DIPLOMA FROM PRESTIGIOUS
NON-ACCREDITED UNVERSITIES BASED ON YOUR PRESENT KNOWLEDGE AND PROFESSIONAL
EXPERIENCE.
>
>If you qualify, no required tests, classes, books or examinations.
>
>Confidentiality Assured
>
>1-816-817-0917
>
>24 hours a day, 7 days a week including Sundays and Holidays
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flight Check-out |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
Have you tried Falson. It was interesting that they insured me after having
5 hours "IN" a kitfox but not as pilot in command. I think they may have
changed that policy since. When they insured me, I told them twice that I
had only rode in one for 5 hours and was not the PIC. They said, "that
counts".
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: "Guy Buchanan" <bnn@nethere.com>
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 12:47 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Flight Check-out
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
>
> All,
> I'm nearing completion. Really. I'm just weeks away! (HAHAHA!)
> I've checked into insurance and they want me to have five hours in a tail
> wheel Kitfox before they'll insure me. How have you handled a similar
> requirement? Is there anyone within Bonanza range of SoCal that would be
> able to help me obtain the five hours? I'm currently getting refreshed in
> tailwheel flying in a Decathlon, but that won't necessarily make me
> proficient in a Kitfox.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
>
> Guy Buchanan
> K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | CFI's in So California with KF experience |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
In Ramona call CFI Julie Keane 760-703-1967 or 760-765-3232. If your
plane needs a good test pilot and adjustments to be made (which it
probably will ) you should take your plane on your trailer up to Corona
and see CFI Dave Stevenson 1-714-803-8368. Dave has many hours in the
Kitfox and used to fly the Kitfox factory Demo. Dave is an amazing guy
and really really helpful. He helped me with my Model V last month and
is currently helping a gentlemen in Corona Right now with another
Kitfox.
Robert
San Diego
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Smythe
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Flight Check-out
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
Have you tried Falson. It was interesting that they insured me after
having
5 hours "IN" a kitfox but not as pilot in command. I think they may
have
changed that policy since. When they insured me, I told them twice that
I
had only rode in one for 5 hours and was not the PIC. They said, "that
counts".
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: "Guy Buchanan" <bnn@nethere.com>
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 12:47 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Flight Check-out
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
>
> All,
> I'm nearing completion. Really. I'm just weeks away! (HAHAHA!)
> I've checked into insurance and they want me to have five hours in a
tail
> wheel Kitfox before they'll insure me. How have you handled a similar
> requirement? Is there anyone within Bonanza range of SoCal that would
be
> able to help me obtain the five hours? I'm currently getting refreshed
in
> tailwheel flying in a Decathlon, but that won't necessarily make me
> proficient in a Kitfox.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
>
> Guy Buchanan
> K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: CFI's in So California with KF experience |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
At 01:29 PM 5/19/2006, you wrote:
>In Ramona call CFI Julie Keane 760-703-1967 or 760-765-3232. If your
>plane needs a good test pilot and adjustments to be made (which it
>probably will ) you should take your plane on your trailer up to Corona
>and see CFI Dave Stevenson 1-714-803-8368. Dave has many hours in the
>Kitfox and used to fly the Kitfox factory Demo. Dave is an amazing guy
>and really really helpful. He helped me with my Model V last month and
>is currently helping a gentlemen in Corona Right now with another
>Kitfox.
Thank you Robert. I was to work with Julie; unfortunately her Citabria was
ground-looped last week, causing severe damage to the fuselage. I'm now
working with a CFI in Gillespie, Glen Daly, who will get me current in a
Decathlon. I will call Mr. Stevenson to see if he would be willing to look
over my plane and even fly it. Perhaps he will be able to help me get my
five hours.
Regards,
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: Flight Check-out |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
At 10:20 AM 5/19/2006, you wrote:
>Have you tried Falson. It was interesting that they insured me after having
>5 hours "IN" a kitfox but not as pilot in command. I think they may have
>changed that policy since. When they insured me, I told them twice that I
>had only rode in one for 5 hours and was not the PIC. They said, "that
>counts".
An interesting concept. I will try them, though. Thanks for the tip.
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: Wood Prop Advice |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Michael Meyers" <mmeyers7167@sbcglobal.net>
I am sorry I don't have that info. I don't have an EGT in my plane.
Mike Meyers
----- Original Message -----
From: "Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 11:32 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Wood Prop Advice
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert"
> <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
>
> Hey Michael,
>
> Could you please tell me what the 0200 max EGT temp is and what the
> cruise EGT should be.
>
> Robert
> Model V 0200
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
> Meyers
> Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 11:17 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Wood Prop Advice
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Michael Meyers"
> <mmeyers7167@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Good Afternoon Ladies and Gentlemen:
>
> I own a KF Model IV with a Cont. 0-200 engine. I have used a McCauley
> DCM6948 metal prop on my plane for the last four years and it has served
>
> me fine. I want to try a wood prop on the plane and I would like to
> hear suggestions from the list participants on what is a good prop to
> try.
>
> Michael Meyers
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wood Prop Advice |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Michael Meyers" <mmeyers7167@sbcglobal.net>
Thanks Cliff
What is the length and pitch of the prop?
Michael Meyers
----- Original Message -----
From: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 4:46 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wood Prop Advice
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud"
> <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
>
> Michael,
> I've had good success with my Aymar-Demuth wood prop on a Lycoming 0-235.
> I
> would recommend it.
> Cliff
>
> Good Afternoon Ladies and Gentlemen:
>
> I own a KF Model IV with a Cont. 0-200 engine. I have used a McCauley
> DCM6948 metal prop on my plane for the last four years and it has served
> me fine. I want to try a wood prop on the plane and I would like to
> hear suggestions from the list participants on what is a good prop to
> try.
>
> Michael Meyers
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wood Prop Advice |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
Michael,
It's a 72 X 47, but that will NOT work on your 0-200. Talk to them and tell
em what you have in mind, re: climb prop, cruise prop, in between prop.
Mine
is skewed toward the cruise end of the spectrum.
Cliff
> Thanks Cliff
>
> What is the length and pitch of the prop?
>
> Michael Meyers
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 4:46 AM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wood Prop Advice
>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud"
>> <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
>>
>> Michael,
>> I've had good success with my Aymar-Demuth wood prop on a Lycoming 0-235.
>> I
>> would recommend it.
>> Cliff
>>
>> Good Afternoon Ladies and Gentlemen:
>>
>> I own a KF Model IV with a Cont. 0-200 engine. I have used a McCauley
>> DCM6948 metal prop on my plane for the last four years and it has served
>> me fine. I want to try a wood prop on the plane and I would like to
>> hear suggestions from the list participants on what is a good prop to
>> try.
>>
>> Michael Meyers
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Simulator WAS: Aft CG |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: alnanarthur <alnanarthur@sbcglobal.net>
Hi Michel,
My son has been flying with me in my Kitfox 5, and wants to do an X-
Plane Kitfox.
Could you send us your copy to use as a prototype. Do you use
keyboard or stick and rudder pedals?
I tried to find your model on "www.x-plane.org" but could not.
We are on Mac OS 10 Tiger.
Allan Arthur
Kitfox 5, N40AA
Rotax 912s, Warpdrive 3 blade
Byron Airport, CA (C83) Hanger C8
On May 19, 2006, at 6:51 AM, Michel Verheughe wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
>> From: wingnut [wingnut@spamarrest.com]
>> Computer model? Can you post more info on that? Is it a custom sim
>> or a new plane
>> model for an existing sim? Would it be possible for me to acquire
>> one?
>
> Well, as PC-based flight simulation, there is Microsoft Flight
> Simulator, a well known best-seller and indeed, an incredible
> program. But I have been, since 1998, using another, less known
> simulator, X-Plane. For one good reason, X-Plane is made for both
> the PC and the Macintosh, and I have the latter. But also for
> another reason: we believe it has a better flight model than
> Microsoft. Here is why: While MS FS does a very good job at
> reproducing every detail of an aicraft, it bases its aero-dynamic
> model on look-up tables. E.g. when creating an aircraft, you enter
> the stall speed. When flying the aircraft, that, plus other
> parameters will be integrated and the plane will stall at that speed.
> In X-Plane, you can't do that. You have to build your aircraft from
> a series of airfoils, each with its lift, drag, moment, AoA, etc,
> in each detail. Then you fly the plane. If it stalls at the POH
> indicated value you're either extremely lucky or extremely good at
> modelling aircraft. You have then to find out why it does what it
> does and work on hundreds of parameters until you come to the
> correct behaviour. X-Plane uses the so-called "Blade Element"
> theory to build its models. It is, in fact, a computerized wind
> tunnel. The scenery is not as nice as MS FS but for those
> interested in aviation modelling, it is IMHO the best simulator. If
> you have a joystick and pedals, it can also be a good way to learn
> to fly.
> I have, in the past three years, refined the model of my Kitfox and
> learnt a lot in the process.
>
> You can find a demo version of X-Plane at: www.x-plane.com
> and my Kitfox model with 3D cockpit is at: www.x-plane.org
> Or you can write to me privately if you want me to send the model
> directly.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
> do not archive
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bill Pleso" <bill77@cox.net>
Builders,
Is there anyone out there who is using the "aerodynamic" ribs on the
vert stab and rudder? Since you wind up with a concave and convex
surface it virtually eliminates the gap. I was wondering how much
difference the ribs make and if it would help any to seal what little
bit of gap that is left. I'm also curious why Skystar didn't make
similar ribs for the horizontal stab and elevator. This would likewise
eliminate the "gap problem". Has anyone made their own set of ribs for
the horizontal surfaces to achieve the same affect? What (if any)
difference was there in the flying characteristics? I'm wondering how
critical the shape of the horizontal surfaces are since it's basically
another wing. By adding the gap seals, it changes the shape and from
what everyone is saying, makes quite a difference.
Later
Bill
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| Subject: | Re: Aft CG WAS: Gap Seal Affect |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "noel anderson" <nandrand@xtra.co.nz>
Hi Guys & Gals.
Re. flight sim Kit-fox, this can be down loaded
from, www.flightsim .com , you will have to register as member, but it's
free.I fly MicroSoft2004, Kit-Fox performs OK but I'm still learning!!!!!!!
Regards to
all Noel
----- Original Message -----
From: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2006 1:10 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Aft CG WAS: Gap Seal Affect
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
>
>
>> I don't know if this is true for real-life and I don't want to base my
>> knowledge on a computer model but ... does this make sense to you guys?
>
>
> Computer model? Can you post more info on that? Is it a custom sim or a
> new plane model for an existing sim? Would it be possible for me to
> acquire one?
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=35383#35383
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Bill,
I did as you suggest, but have no before only after performance numbers as I
did the mod while building. The story was that I wanted electric trim and
not wanting to exceed my kit budget, I ordered the horiz stab with the trim
tab cutout in the weldment, but didn't order the servo, ribs etc. That
resulted in a bit of a dilemma as the servo was about an inch thick and the
leading edge of the elevator was 5/8 tube and the trailing edge was 3/8
tube. I wasn't aware of the double airfoil rib setup so designed my own
which resulted in gap closure in both the horizontal and vertical tails.
Photos and a drawing are at:
http://www.sportflight.com/cgi-bin/uploader.pl?action=view&epoch=1041348095
The airplane is pretty fast, but I have lots of speed fairings and most
importantly the elev trim eliminates the need to trim with flaperons.
Before I tweaked what I thought was one blade that had drifted on the last
annual, I was consistently 70 mph at 4000 rpm, 100 mph at 5000 rpm and just
under 115 mph at 5500 rpm. Now I am indication a bit more than that,
hitting almost 120 mph at 5500 and in climb I am down to about 850 from
1000 ft per min. My field elev is 1285 in the books.
I have no trouble three pointing, but have the lighter Roax 912 engine, so
haven't had the forward CG issue.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Pleso" <bill77@cox.net>
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 6:04 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Ribs
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bill Pleso" <bill77@cox.net>
>
> Builders,
>
> Is there anyone out there who is using the "aerodynamic" ribs on the
> vert stab and rudder? Since you wind up with a concave and convex
> surface it virtually eliminates the gap. I was wondering how much
> difference the ribs make and if it would help any to seal what little
> bit of gap that is left. I'm also curious why Skystar didn't make
> similar ribs for the horizontal stab and elevator. This would likewise
> eliminate the "gap problem". Has anyone made their own set of ribs for
> the horizontal surfaces to achieve the same affect? What (if any)
> difference was there in the flying characteristics? I'm wondering how
> critical the shape of the horizontal surfaces are since it's basically
> another wing. By adding the gap seals, it changes the shape and from
> what everyone is saying, makes quite a difference.
>
> Later
> Bill
>
> Do Not Archive
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Series 7 Stick Forces? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net>
I just connected up my elevator and the stick forces are quite alarming (heavy)!
It is smooth but takes quite a bit of arm muscle to move it. Is this normal?
My control column is smooth and does not bind on the bearing or the delrin
brace so it must simply be the weight of the elevator. I am used to the model
III that was fairly light on the control. What is the stick pull like while
flying? Anyone with a flying Series 7...does the amount of force required to
pull back stick change significantly from static (on the ground) to flying?
I wonder why Skystar never designed counterbalances for this airplane...Maybe
because the stick forces are just right in the flight regime...I don't know, this
is why I am asking. Any comments or thoughts are appreciated.
Darin
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