Today's Message Index:
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1. 12:06 AM - Re: Simulator (Michel Verheughe)
2. 12:34 AM - Re: Series 7 Stick Forces? (John Anderson)
3. 01:14 AM - Re: Aft CG WAS: Gap Seal Affect (John Anderson)
4. 01:14 AM - Re: Gap Seal Affect (John Anderson)
5. 04:10 AM - Nelson Goguen (Fox5flyer)
6. 06:10 AM - Re: Series 7 Stick Forces? (Donna and Roger McConnell)
7. 07:38 AM - 582 EGTs (Larry Martin)
8. 05:33 PM - Re: Gap Seal Affect (James Shumaker)
9. 05:33 PM - Osh Camping (kirk hull)
10. 05:38 PM - osh camping (kirk hull)
11. 05:59 PM - Re: Series 7 Stick Forces? (darinh)
12. 09:56 PM - Re: 582 EGTs (Marco Menezes)
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
On May 20, 2006, at 2:49 AM, alnanarthur wrote:
> Do you use keyboard or stick and rudder pedals?
CH Products stick and ProPedals, Allan. The X-Plane model is not easier
to land than the real plane, rather the opposite as your peripheral
view is not the same. Imagine landing a real taildragger with ... a
keyboard! :-)
> I tried to find your model on "www.x-plane.org" but could not.
That is because they have re-organised their archive and I follow the
new standard, which is to go to the menu: Files/Download
Manager/Search. But since it only links to my server here are the
direct addresses:
http://home.online.no/~michel/micro/KitfoxMk3.zip
That is for X-Plane version 7. Note also that, that version is with the
582 and round cowling, that I had when version 7 was the last one.
http://home.online.no/~michel/micro/Kitfox.zip
That is for version 8.2 and upward. It is a true copy of my Kitfox as
it is now, with the Jabiru engine and a photographic reproduction of my
cockpit/panel in a 3D model.
Of course, you are welcome to use elements of those to model your own
Kitfox. Please, let me know when you are finished, I'd like to have a
look at it too.
Cheers,
Michel
do not archive
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| Subject: | Series 7 Stick Forces? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson" <janderson412@hotmail.com>
Yes, mine seemed stiff too but to fly it's ok, don'y notice it being so.
John A Series 5
From: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Series 7 Stick Forces?
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net>
I just connected up my elevator and the stick forces are quite alarming
(heavy)! It is smooth but takes quite a bit of arm muscle to move it. Is
this normal? My control column is smooth and does not bind on the bearing
or the delrin brace so it must simply be the weight of the elevator. I am
used to the model III that was fairly light on the control. What is the
stick pull like while flying? Anyone with a flying Series 7...does the
amount of force required to pull back stick change significantly from static
(on the ground) to flying? I wonder why Skystar never designed
counterbalances for this airplane...Maybe because the stick forces are just
right in the flight regime...I don't know, this is why I am asking. Any
comments or thoughts are appreciated.
Darin
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| Subject: | Aft CG WAS: Gap Seal Affect |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson" <janderson412@hotmail.com>
My C of G is on the forward limit with just me flying and with gap seals
it'll stall land ok, however I tend to do tail low wheelers. The trim is set
almost right aft in this config for landing. John A Series 5
From: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Aft CG WAS: Gap Seal Affect
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>From: Bradley M Webb [bmwebb@cox.net]
> Too far aft, and it will get so sensitive as to be uncontrollable.
I am not a test pilot and I strive to keep my CG exactly where it should be.
But, in the flight simulator I use, I experiment a bit and my experience is
that, if the CG is rather aft, the stall characteristics change in the way
that the plane stalls from one wing or the other and it's difficult to "mush
down" as I do with the real plane. An aft CG also makes the virtual Kitfox
more prone to ground loop.
I don't know if this is true for real-life and I don't want to base my
knowledge on a computer model but ... does this make sense to you guys?
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson" <janderson412@hotmail.com>
Tomorrow on Sport flight...
From: "David Dawe" <davedawe@msn.com>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Gap Seal Affect
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Dawe" <davedawe@msn.com>
Any photos showing gap seal installed
>From: "John Anderson" <janderson412@hotmail.com>
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Gap Seal Affect
>Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 14:36:22 +1200
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>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson"
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>Most of the 5s and up seem to have a forward CofG configuration due to
>heavy
>engines, it helps getting the a/c to stall.
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>From: "Donna and Roger McConnell" <rdmac@swbell.net>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Gap Seal Affect
>Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 21:21:06 -0500
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Donna and Roger McConnell"
><rdmac@swbell.net>
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> I'm getting ready to look into sealing the gap between the
>elevator and stab. on my model 7 and was wandering what affect it had on
>the
>flying characteristics.
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>Does it make it more pitch sensitive or just give you more pitch
authority?
>I read in the archives that sealing the gap gives you more pitch authority
>but does it also make it more pitch sensitive? And what about speed does
it
>help out any there too...Opinions and comments please.
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> Roger Mac
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Nelson. I lost your email address. Pls contact me off list.
Tnx,
Deke
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| Subject: | Series 7 Stick Forces? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Donna and Roger McConnell" <rdmac@swbell.net>
My model 7 is the same way. The weight of the elevator is what you are
having to over come but in the air that goes away. The elevator will start
to 'come alive' as soon as the power comes up, and then be ready to fly.
Roger Mac
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Anderson
Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2006 2:33 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Series 7 Stick Forces?
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson"
<janderson412@hotmail.com>
Yes, mine seemed stiff too but to fly it's ok, don'y notice it being so.
John A Series 5
From: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Series 7 Stick Forces?
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net>
I just connected up my elevator and the stick forces are quite alarming
(heavy)! It is smooth but takes quite a bit of arm muscle to move it. Is
this normal? My control column is smooth and does not bind on the bearing
or the delrin brace so it must simply be the weight of the elevator. I am
used to the model III that was fairly light on the control. What is the
stick pull like while flying? Anyone with a flying Series 7...does the
amount of force required to pull back stick change significantly from static
(on the ground) to flying? I wonder why Skystar never designed
counterbalances for this airplane...Maybe because the stick forces are just
right in the flight regime...I don't know, this is why I am asking. Any
comments or thoughts are appreciated.
Darin
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=35532#35532
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <CrownLJ@verizon.net>
Is it normal for the rear cylinder to run hotter than the front? By how
much? My slides are as level as possible at various throttle positions,
yet the rear egt is about 10F-60F warmer, depending on the rpm and if I
blink.(so it seems) This is measured with a digital gauge. At one
moment it will be with 5F, then with now reason for change it separates
to about 50F. Each flight is different. Am I chasseing my tail, or is
it an early symptom of a problem? 582 with 130hrs/4yrs - but many short
frequent flights.
Thanks guys,
Larry
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: James Shumaker <jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net>
Yes, I put up a picture a few months ago.
Jim Shumaker
John Anderson <janderson412@hotmail.com> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson"
Tomorrow on Sport flight...
From: "David Dawe"
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Gap Seal Affect
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Dawe"
Any photos showing gap seal installed
>From: "John Anderson"
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Gap Seal Affect
>Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 14:36:22 +1200
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson"
>
>
>Most of the 5s and up seem to have a forward CofG configuration due to
>heavy
>engines, it helps getting the a/c to stall.
>
>
>From: "Donna and Roger McConnell"
>To:
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Gap Seal Affect
>Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 21:21:06 -0500
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Donna and Roger McConnell"
>
>
> I'm getting ready to look into sealing the gap between the
>elevator and stab. on my model 7 and was wandering what affect it had on
>the
>flying characteristics.
>
>Does it make it more pitch sensitive or just give you more pitch
authority?
>I read in the archives that sealing the gap gives you more pitch authority
>but does it also make it more pitch sensitive? And what about speed does
it
>help out any there too...Opinions and comments please.
>
> Roger Mac
>
>
>_________________________________________________________________
>Need more speed? Get Xtra Broadband @
>http://jetstream.xtra.co.nz/chm/0,,202853-1000,00.html
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kirk hull" <kirkhull@sbcglobal.net>
I was thinking about going to Osh this year i the new kitfox and was
wondering about the camping area. Is i posible to have a car bring up the
camping gear ( as te kitfox will not hold it )and drop it off in the
aircraft camping area? I would like to camp next to the plane but dont want
to pack all the gear in by hand. me wife does not understand how to pack
light.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kirk hull" <kirkhull@sbcglobal.net>
I was thinking about going to osh this year in the just finished kitfox. I
would like to stay with the kitfox and was wandering if it is posible to
have a car or a shutle drop off the camping gear next to the plane as the
kitfox can not carry it all. I dont think it would be posible to carry it
all in by hand ( my wife cant pack light )also wandering if anyone else is
going and where they are staying
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| Subject: | Re: Series 7 Stick Forces? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net>
Thanks guys, I guess I won't worry about it.
Darin
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com>
I don't know if it's normal or not Larry but I've experienced the same thing with
my 582 gray head. It has 33.2 hrs now and aft cylinder has always run a bit
hotter than fwd.
Larry Martin <CrownLJ@verizon.net> wrote: --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Larry
Martin"
Is it normal for the rear cylinder to run hotter than the front? By how
much? My slides are as level as possible at various throttle positions,
yet the rear egt is about 10F-60F warmer, depending on the rpm and if I
blink.(so it seems) This is measured with a digital gauge. At one
moment it will be with 5F, then with now reason for change it separates
to about 50F. Each flight is different. Am I chasseing my tail, or is
it an early symptom of a problem? 582 with 130hrs/4yrs - but many short
frequent flights.
Thanks guys,
Larry
Marco Menezes
Model 2 582 N99KX
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