---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 05/23/06: 31 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:52 AM - SV: Bungee turns (Michel Verheughe) 2. 05:50 AM - Re: Bungee turns (Dee Young) 3. 06:29 AM - NACA TYPE CABIN VENTS (Donald STEVENSON) 4. 06:29 AM - NACA TYPE CABIN VENTS (Donald STEVENSON) 5. 07:12 AM - Re: NACA TYPE CABIN VENTS (Lowell Fitt) 6. 08:00 AM - Re: Bungee turns (Guy Buchanan) 7. 08:03 AM - Re: Wing types KF IV (Guy Buchanan) 8. 08:15 AM - Re: NACA TYPE CABIN VENTS (kerrjohna@comcast.net) 9. 08:31 AM - Re: Wing types KF IV (Guy Buchanan) 10. 08:31 AM - Re: Bungee turns (Guy Buchanan) 11. 08:38 AM - Re: NACA TYPE CABIN VENTS (Guy Buchanan) 12. 08:41 AM - Re: Wing types KF IV (ron schick) 13. 09:04 AM - Re: Bungee turns (kerrjohna@comcast.net) 14. 10:06 AM - Re: osh campingosh camping (Joel Mapes) 15. 10:40 AM - Re: NACA TYPE CABIN VENTS (Kerry Skyring) 16. 11:29 AM - Re: NACA TYPE CABIN VENTS (W Duke) 17. 11:57 AM - Re: Wing types KF IV (Donald STEVENSON) 18. 12:00 PM - Re: NACA TYPE CABIN VENTS (kirk hull) 19. 02:25 PM - Re: Bungee turns (Larry Huntley) 20. 03:55 PM - Re: Wing types KF IV (Lowell Fitt) 21. 04:13 PM - Annual (Flybradair@cs.com) 22. 04:35 PM - Re: Annual (Larry Huntley) 23. 04:45 PM - Re: Annual (ron schick) 24. 05:23 PM - Re: Wing types KF IV (Torgeir Mortensen) 25. 05:36 PM - Re: KF IV Wing Spar reinforcing rings (Rex Shaw) 26. 06:44 PM - Re: Wing types KF IV (Mo) 27. 07:20 PM - 2001 Kitfox 4 - 1200 with 912 UL For sale (Jay Fabian) 28. 07:39 PM - New Kitfox Owner needing lots of help (Steve Wilson) 29. 08:57 PM - Re: New Kitfox Owner needing lots of help (Guy Buchanan) 30. 08:57 PM - Re: Wing types KF IV (Guy Buchanan) 31. 09:11 PM - Re: New Kitfox Owner needing lots of help (Don Pearsall) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:52:14 AM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: SV: Kitfox-List: Bungee turns --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe > From: Dave [dave@cfisher.com] > I have a Model IV with 5 wraps instead of 6 and it works fine. That it works fine is the most important. I was also wondering if my bungees have always been 6 turns, or 5 turns, then changed to 6. I didn't built the plane, I bought it second hand, ten years after it was built. But I have the builder's log book and he wrote there that the bungees had to be 140 cm (55") long. When I intended to change them, I made some new ones exactly that size. But when I removed the existing one, I found out that they were longer. My explanation was that they had stretched, or lost elasticity. Unfortunately the new bungees were way too soft and couldn't be used. But I have an idea that, in that ten years period, the original bungees may have sagged a bit and the previous owner has take an extra turn. Cheers, Michel ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:50:43 AM PST US From: "Dee Young" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Bungee turns --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" Michel I think the Model ll and lll take the same size bungees which is 60" long and 3/8" dia. If you would like I would be glad to check the size and color. I read some where that one of the colors that had been used was bad and no long recommended. I have also read that some builders have made the sixth wrap when the bungee began to sag. Dee Young Model II N345DY Do not archive ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:29:53 AM PST US From: Donald STEVENSON Subject: Kitfox-List: NACA TYPE CABIN VENTS --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Donald STEVENSON Hi everyone, Can someone tell me if NACA type vents supplied with the M4 KF can be closed in any way? I do not see that they come with any type of door or flap to adjust or close them off when O/S air is not required. Winters get cold in Canada! Thanks, Don Don Stevenson, Caledon Ontario Canada M4/1200-912s ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:29:53 AM PST US From: Donald STEVENSON Subject: Kitfox-List: NACA TYPE CABIN VENTS --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Donald STEVENSON Hi everyone, Can someone tell me if NACA type vents supplied with the M4 KF can be closed in any way? I do not see that they come with any type of door or flap to adjust or close them off when O/S air is not required. Winters get cold in Canada! Thanks, Don Don Stevenson, Caledon Ontario Canada M4/1200-912s ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:12:29 AM PST US From: "Lowell Fitt" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: NACA TYPE CABIN VENTS --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" Hi, Don, Most I have seen have simply stuffed a sponge or something like that in the vent. When I was at United Airlines and building, I noticed the Boeing 737 had a door on their vents that fed air to the APU. I liked that idea and put doors on mine. Lowell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donald STEVENSON" Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 6:27 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: NACA TYPE CABIN VENTS > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Donald STEVENSON > > Hi everyone, Can someone tell me if NACA type vents supplied with the M4 > KF can be closed in any way? I do not see that they come with any type of > door or flap to adjust or close them off when O/S air is not required. > Winters get cold in Canada! > Thanks, Don > > Don Stevenson, Caledon Ontario Canada > M4/1200-912s > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:00:09 AM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Bungee turns --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan At 02:18 PM 5/22/2006, you wrote: >And I agree, it takes two strong men to pull the bungee to a fit around >the bars, one under and one from the inside. Hey! I found a way to do it solo that's not too bad. You have to be careful though. I first wrapped the bungee as many times as I could and hooked the end over the lug. (I think I got three or four wraps.) I then, using channel-locks, (a type of plier with a lot of leverage and a lot of grip area,) and working from the center wrap to the outside, pulled all of the "slack" to the last loop. This left the last loop with enough slack to disconnect it and gain another wrap. Re-connect the end and go through the process again. I was able to get my full six wraps doing this. You have to be careful that you don't damage the bungee by crushing or tearing it. I found it wasn't too much of a problem. Guy Buchanan K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:03:40 AM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wing types KF IV --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan Torgeir, What does it mean if your serial number is HCU089?!?!?!? =-O Guy Buchanan K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. Do not archive ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:15:22 AM PST US From: kerrjohna@comcast.net Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: NACA TYPE CABIN VENTS --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net I used vents with a knob that shut off the airway. I believe they came from Spruce. John -------------- Original message -------------- From: Donald STEVENSON > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Donald STEVENSON > > Hi everyone, Can someone tell me if NACA type vents supplied with the M4 KF can > be closed in any way? I do not see that they come with any type of door or flap > to adjust or close them off when O/S air is not required. Winters get cold in > Canada! > Thanks, Don > > Don Stevenson, Caledon Ontario Canada > M4/1200-912s > > > > > > > > > > > > >
I used vents with a knob that shut off the airway.  I believe they came from Spruce.
 
John
 
Downlo ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:31:18 AM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wing types KF IV --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan Torgeir, What does it mean if your serial number is HCU089?!?!?!? =-O Guy Buchanan K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. Do not archive ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:31:18 AM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Bungee turns --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan At 02:18 PM 5/22/2006, you wrote: >And I agree, it takes two strong men to pull the bungee to a fit around >the bars, one under and one from the inside. Hey! I found a way to do it solo that's not too bad. You have to be careful though. I first wrapped the bungee as many times as I could and hooked the end over the lug. (I think I got three or four wraps.) I then, using channel-locks, (a type of plier with a lot of leverage and a lot of grip area,) and working from the center wrap to the outside, pulled all of the "slack" to the last loop. This left the last loop with enough slack to disconnect it and gain another wrap. Re-connect the end and go through the process again. I was able to get my full six wraps doing this. You have to be careful that you don't damage the bungee by crushing or tearing it. I found it wasn't too much of a problem. Guy Buchanan K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:38:20 AM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: NACA TYPE CABIN VENTS --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan At 06:27 AM 5/23/2006, you wrote: >Hi everyone, Can someone tell me if NACA type vents supplied with the M4 >KF can be closed in any way? I do not see that they come with any type of >door or flap to adjust or close them off when O/S air is not required. >Winters get cold in Canada! Bob replaced the ones on my KIV with ACS adjustable scoops PN 01-30500. They're a bear to use, but functional. Guy Buchanan K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:41:16 AM PST US From: "ron schick" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wing types KF IV --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" Mine is GBS 033 G=7th month B=1992 S= speedster 033 is serial ??? Skystar said it was a Denny aircraft, but I think it is their serial system. Right on the Denney/ Skystar sale time frame. Ron NB Or >From: Guy Buchanan >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wing types KF IV >Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 17:31:59 -0700 > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan > >Torgeir, > What does it mean if your serial number is HCU089?!?!?!? =-O > > >Guy Buchanan >K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. > >Do not archive > > _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:04:01 AM PST US From: kerrjohna@comcast.net Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Bungee turns --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net as has been suggested before, the use of large wireties as each loop is pulled as far as it will go allows the carrying of the slack to the end. Others have used a wood wedge jammed between the bungy and the frame carry through. John -------------- Original message -------------- From: Guy Buchanan > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan > > At 02:18 PM 5/22/2006, you wrote: > >And I agree, it takes two strong men to pull the bungee to a fit around > >the bars, one under and one from the inside. > > Hey! I found a way to do it solo that's not too bad. You have to be careful > though. > > I first wrapped the bungee as many times as I could and hooked the end over > the lug. (I think I got three or four wraps.) I then, using channel-locks, > (a type of plier with a lot of leverage and a lot of grip area,) and > working from the center wrap to the outside, pulled all of the "slack" to > the last loop. This left the last loop with enough slack to disconnect it > and gain another wrap. Re-connect the end and go through the process again. > I was able to get my full six wraps doing this. You have to be careful that > you don't damage the bungee by crushing or tearing it. I found it wasn't > too much of a problem. > > > Guy Buchanan > K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
as has been suggested before, the use of large wireties as each loop is pulled as far as it will go allows the carrying of the slack to the end. Others have used a wood wedge jammed between the bungy and the frame carry through.
 
John
 
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>

> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan
>
> At 02:18 PM 5/22/2006, you wrote:
> >And I agree, it takes two strong men to pull the bungee to a fit around
> >the bars, one under and one from the inside.
>
> Hey! I found a way to do it solo that's not too bad. You have to be careful
> though.
>
> I first wrapped the bungee as many times as I could and hooked the end over
> the lug. (I think I got three or four wraps.) I then, using channel-locks,
> (a type of plier with a lot of leverage and a lot of grip area,) and
> working from the center wrap to the outside, pulled all of the "slack" to
> the last loop. This left the last loop with enough slack to disconnect it
& BR>> ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:06:00 AM PST US From: "Joel Mapes" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: osh campingosh camping --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Joel Mapes" To All Foxes on Floats, Just a reminder that NWEAA at Arlington, Washington in conjunction with the Washington Seaplane Pilots Association is holding a splash-in concurrent with the NWEAA fly-in. Please see the NWEAA website http://nweaa.org/Splash-in.cfm for more details. Joel Model 5 912 GTA CS prop Aerocomp amphibs (first flight coming soon) _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:40:18 AM PST US From: "Kerry Skyring" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: NACA TYPE CABIN VENTS --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kerry Skyring" Don we ran flexible tube (scat?) from the NACA vents to airline type control vents on the instrument panel, one either side. The tube is easily disconnected when the cowl is removed. I think the controllers (twist for air - twist for off) came from Aircraft Spruce. Kerry - S5 builders helper Still dealing with engine problems. Flights limited to runway hops. >From: "Lowell Fitt" >To: >Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: NACA TYPE CABIN VENTS >Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 07:09:18 -0700 > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" > >Hi, Don, > >Most I have seen have simply stuffed a sponge or something like that in >the >vent. When I was at United Airlines and building, I noticed the Boeing 737 >had a door on their vents that fed air to the APU. I liked that idea and >put doors on mine. > >Lowell > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Donald STEVENSON" >To: "Kitfox List" >Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 6:27 AM >Subject: Kitfox-List: NACA TYPE CABIN VENTS > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Donald STEVENSON > > > > > Hi everyone, Can someone tell me if NACA type vents supplied with the M4 > > KF can be closed in any way? I do not see that they come with any type >of > > door or flap to adjust or close them off when O/S air is not required. > > Winters get cold in Canada! > > Thanks, Don > > > > Don Stevenson, Caledon Ontario Canada > > M4/1200-912s > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:29:03 AM PST US From: W Duke Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: NACA TYPE CABIN VENTS --> Kitfox-List message posted by: W Duke I used Van's NACA vents. They come with a plastic eyeball and lots of duct. I did not use the duct. I got an automotive heater hose that fit snugly around the round outlet of the vent and the inlet of the eyeball. The heater hose appr 3 in long acts as a coupler between the vent and the eyeball. I am very pleased in Central Georgia with the overall performance. Rarely the passenger side pops off since I am too lazy to wrap some tape and snug the fit. Maxwell Kerry Skyring wrote: --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kerry Skyring" Don we ran flexible tube (scat?) from the NACA vents to airline type control vents on the instrument panel, one either side. The tube is easily disconnected when the cowl is removed. I think the controllers (twist for air - twist for off) came from Aircraft Spruce. Kerry - S5 builders helper Still dealing with engine problems. Flights limited to runway hops. >From: "Lowell Fitt" >To: >Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: NACA TYPE CABIN VENTS >Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 07:09:18 -0700 > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" > >Hi, Don, > >Most I have seen have simply stuffed a sponge or something like that in >the >vent. When I was at United Airlines and building, I noticed the Boeing 737 >had a door on their vents that fed air to the APU. I liked that idea and >put doors on mine. > >Lowell > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Donald STEVENSON" >To: "Kitfox List" >Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 6:27 AM >Subject: Kitfox-List: NACA TYPE CABIN VENTS > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Donald STEVENSON > > > > > Hi everyone, Can someone tell me if NACA type vents supplied with the M4 > > KF can be closed in any way? I do not see that they come with any type >of > > door or flap to adjust or close them off when O/S air is not required. > > Winters get cold in Canada! > > Thanks, Don > > > > Don Stevenson, Caledon Ontario Canada > > M4/1200-912s > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 11:57:01 AM PST US From: Donald STEVENSON Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wing types KF IV --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Donald STEVENSON Hi Ron, Just as a point of intrest, the M4 speedster I am building is number GBS032 I purchased it from a gentlemen in California who took delivery from SS in 92 and never finished it. I just started to cover the wings yesterday. Don Don Stevenson, Caledon, Ontario Canada M4/1200 Speedster -912S ron schick wrote: --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" Mine is GBS 033 G=7th month B=1992 S= speedster 033 is serial ??? Skystar said it was a Denny aircraft, but I think it is their serial system. Right on the Denney/ Skystar sale time frame. Ron NB Or >From: Guy Buchanan >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wing types KF IV >Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 17:31:59 -0700 > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan > >Torgeir, > What does it mean if your serial number is HCU089?!?!?!? =-O > > >Guy Buchanan >K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. > >Do not archive > > _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 12:00:34 PM PST US From: "kirk hull" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: NACA TYPE CABIN VENTS --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kirk hull" I routed the air to an aircraft vent(1 on each side) from a 767 cabin overhead units that has a shutoff . just spin the nozel and the air stoped. it fit the standard scat tubing and looks good on the pannel. it is also directional. I think you can order them from some of the catalogs. If you would like pictures let me know. It works great and is almost to easy to install -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 9:09 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: NACA TYPE CABIN VENTS --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" Hi, Don, Most I have seen have simply stuffed a sponge or something like that in the vent. When I was at United Airlines and building, I noticed the Boeing 737 had a door on their vents that fed air to the APU. I liked that idea and put doors on mine. Lowell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donald STEVENSON" Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 6:27 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: NACA TYPE CABIN VENTS > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Donald STEVENSON > > Hi everyone, Can someone tell me if NACA type vents supplied with the M4 > KF can be closed in any way? I do not see that they come with any type of > door or flap to adjust or close them off when O/S air is not required. > Winters get cold in Canada! > Thanks, Don > > Don Stevenson, Caledon Ontario Canada > M4/1200-912s > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 02:25:50 PM PST US From: "Larry Huntley" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Bungee turns --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Larry Huntley" FWIIW, an excellent tool for pulling the shock cord without damaging it is a (pliers?) made for pulling spark plug wires off an auto while it is running. NAPA has them.Mary and I can now install one shock cord on out 4-1200 in about 10 minutes. Larry Huntley .) I then, using channel-locks, > (a type of plier with a lot of leverage and a lot of grip area,) and > working from the center wrap to the outside, pulled all of the "slack" to > the last loop. This left the last loop with enough slack to disconnect it > and gain another wrap. Re-connect the end and go through the process > again. > I was able to get my full six wraps doing this. You have to be careful > that > you don't damage the bungee by crushing or tearing it. I found it wasn't > too much of a problem. > > > Guy Buchanan > K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 03:55:40 PM PST US From: "Lowell Fitt" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wing types KF IV --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" My experience agrees with Ron's. I ordered my kit from Denney in late 2002 and it was deiliverd from Skyster in March 2003 - CCU 008. The "U" is long wing as I understand it. Lowell ----- Original Message ----- From: "ron schick" Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 8:40 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wing types KF IV > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" > > > Mine is GBS 033 G=7th month B=1992 S= speedster 033 is serial ??? > Skystar said it was a Denny aircraft, but I think it is their serial > system. > Right on the Denney/ Skystar sale time frame. > Ron NB Or > > >>From: Guy Buchanan >>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com >>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wing types KF IV >>Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 17:31:59 -0700 >> >>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan >> >>Torgeir, >> What does it mean if your serial number is HCU089?!?!?!? =-O >> >> >>Guy Buchanan >>K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. >> >>Do not archive >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 04:13:47 PM PST US From: Flybradair@cs.com Subject: Kitfox-List: Annual --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Flybradair@cs.com Aircraft was completed and signed off on 5/13/05. First flight was 9/16/05. Can I make the annual due every September, or does it need to be completed this month? Curious about the regulations since it might be due! Brad Martin Outback Lyc 0-235L2C Wichita do not archive ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 04:35:45 PM PST US From: "Larry Huntley" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Annual --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Larry Huntley" Brad, Your inspection is due the last day of 5/2006. If you do this and sign it off 6/1/2006, next year it will be due the last day of 6/2006 and so on. You always have til the last day of the month. This means that in reality,you get 13 months. Once you work your way up to Sept. you can do it in September every year. Actually,you could do it on time this year to be legal and then do it again in Sept and do it in Sept thereafter. No reason you can't do 2 inspections in one year. Larry Huntley ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 7:13 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Annual > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Flybradair@cs.com > > Aircraft was completed and signed off on 5/13/05. > > First flight was 9/16/05. > > Can I make the annual due every September, or does it need to be completed > this month? > > Curious about the regulations since it might be due! > > Brad Martin > Outback Lyc 0-235L2C > Wichita > > do not archive > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 04:45:11 PM PST US From: "ron schick" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Annual --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" Brad the annual is good through the end of the month. If you wait until the first of next month to annual it you will gain a month as it will then expire at the end of the sixth month. Ron NB Ore >From: Flybradair@cs.com >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com >Subject: Kitfox-List: Annual >Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 19:13:08 EDT > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Flybradair@cs.com > > Aircraft was completed and signed off on 5/13/05. > > First flight was 9/16/05. > > Can I make the annual due every September, or does it need to be >completed >this month? > > Curious about the regulations since it might be due! > > Brad Martin > Outback Lyc 0-235L2C > Wichita > > do not archive > > _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 05:23:28 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wing types KF IV From: Torgeir Mortensen --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen Hi Guy, You've already got lot's of good response on this one. However, this is an old topics -and it's Skystar's production numbers as far as I'll know. The plain number is Denney's production series, and the alpha numeric is Skystars, -hmmm wonder about the next generations numbering scheme.. John, can you fill in here? The only place there is some "official" info about; "there is some other numbers", is in the SB's (service bulletins) and SL's (service letters). So-, Skystars S/N is "unique" and give all the info about your plane. Maybe someone know the exact meaning (or coding) of this numbering scheme? Torgeir. On Tue, 23 May 2006 08:29:59 -0700, Guy Buchanan wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan > > Torgeir, > What does it mean if your serial number is HCU089?!?!?!? =-O > > > Guy Buchanan > K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. > > Do not archive > > -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 05:36:21 PM PST US From: "Rex Shaw" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: KF IV Wing Spar reinforcing rings --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex Shaw" Hi ! Colin, Rex here from the Riverland in Sth Aust. My MkIV has always since I have owned it had a very slight and hard to detect movement about the front pin that you remove to swing the wing on the left side. Tony that built it said to keep it oiled as they tend to chaffe in the hole in the spar. Any way it has got no worse in all the time I have had it but I don't like it. I bought bolts to replace the pins and thought of using rubber washers next to the spar tube to hold it but have never been sure if this is the way to go and have done no more than keep a close eye on it. I understand it is a common problem and I imagine this is why you have reiforcing rings. Mine has little pieces of aluminiun rivetted to the spar over the hole. As you probably know Tony that built my plane was a mechanical engineer so I took some comfort in that. This is also the second Kitfox he has built so he should be pretty well on track I hope. As I never swing the wings and am not likely to I don't mind fitting the bolts if I get convinced it is a good idea. That panel in my plane simply is screwed with about eight small countersunk nuts and bolts to the bottom edge of the windscreen and that is it. There is slots cut into it back behind the compass from the edge where it joins the screen so that it can slide over the bars that get in the way. The cuts don't improve the looks but I guess it's arkward to do much different. Re your next question re the wings. My understanding is that at least as far as the MK I, II, III & IV go that there is two different wings apart from speedster that are just shortened about 18" per wing I think and then there is different tips. I have droop tips and personally I like them. To me it looks like they may afford some protection if you happen to loop. Anyway as I understand it the later wing is called Laminar flow and is virtually flat across the bottom and the faster wing. The earlier wing is cambered up concave. This is a slower wing with more lift. According to The Kitfox Pilots Guide by Ed Downs the later wing came with the MKIV 1050 and carried on to the 1200. I don't know if the later ones [ 5,6 & 7 ] still use the same wing or not but I would assume they do. Rex Shaw. rexjan@bigpond.com ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 06:44:51 PM PST US From: "Mo" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wing types KF IV --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Mo" Skystar's serial number means the following for my serial number,S70505081: S7 indicates series 7 0505 indicates fuselage fabricated in the 5th month of 2005 081 indicates the 81st S7 built Mo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Torgeir Mortensen" Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 8:21 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wing types KF IV > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen > > > Hi Guy, > > You've already got lot's of good response on this one. However, this is an > old topics -and it's Skystar's production numbers as far as I'll know. > > The plain number is Denney's production series, and the alpha numeric is > Skystars, -hmmm wonder about the next generations numbering scheme.. > John, can you fill in here? > > The only place there is some "official" info about; "there is some other > numbers", is in the SB's (service bulletins) and SL's (service letters). > > So-, Skystars S/N is "unique" and give all the info about your plane. > > Maybe someone know the exact meaning (or coding) of this numbering scheme? > > Torgeir. > > > On Tue, 23 May 2006 08:29:59 -0700, Guy Buchanan wrote: > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan > > > > Torgeir, > > What does it mean if your serial number is HCU089?!?!?!? =-O > > > > > > Guy Buchanan > > K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. > > > > Do not archive > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 07:20:02 PM PST US From: "Jay Fabian" Subject: Kitfox-List: 2001 Kitfox 4 - 1200 with 912 UL For sale --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jay Fabian" Hi List, I have my Kitfox 4 - 1200 for sale . 2001 Kitfox 4-1200 , Rotax 912 UL , 135 Hrs TTA+E, Long wings with droop tips, Bungee gear, Blue and White ,Starburst wings, 3-Blade Warp Drive prop,BRS Parachute, Folding wings, MicroAir Radio, Magellan GPS, King Mode-C Transponder, NAT Intercom, ELT, Whelen Wingtip Strobes, and Nav lights, gallons fuel capacity, LP Bubble doors, Turtledeck, and Windsheild, Tundra tires, Oil Cooler, Matco Brakes, New tailwheel, and Grove aluminum tailspring, Poly fiber, poly tone paint, Speed fairings, 669 LBS Empty weight, cabin heat. Flies great. $33,000. Thats the basics anyways. Let me know if you have more questions. Contact me off list for details, pics. Thanks, I am in Mass. Jay ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 07:39:18 PM PST US From: "Steve Wilson" Subject: Kitfox-List: New Kitfox Owner needing lots of help --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Wilson" OK, here it is in a nutshell. I just purchased a Kitfox. Love it. However, I only have 32 total hours of flying time. That's all, and I have had one very scary landing. I am strongly considering changing my plane to a nose gear configuration. Help me here, does anyone know about a conversion kit? Is it a good idea for as inexperienced as I am? I really could use some input. Steve Wilson Wilson@REinfo.org ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 08:57:16 PM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: New Kitfox Owner needing lots of help --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan At 07:37 PM 5/23/2006, you wrote: >However, I only have 32 total hours of flying time. That's all, and I >have had one very scary landing. Well. Let's see... I've got about 200 hours and have had about 100 scary landings. So... Your're way ahead of me! :-D Guy ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 08:57:16 PM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wing types KF IV --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan At 05:21 PM 5/23/2006, you wrote: >The only place there is some "official" info about; "there is some other >numbers", is in the SB's (service bulletins) and SL's (service letters). That's the problem. The SB's and SL's all reference a four digit number serial number. I have to go by the manufacturing date. I'd like to correlate my number to the four digit number. (Although it really doesn't matter, since I answered every SL and SB that remotely applied.) Guy Buchanan K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. Do not archive ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 09:11:41 PM PST US From: "Don Pearsall" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: New Kitfox Owner needing lots of help --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" Steve, I am sure you will get lots of replies. My opinion is that it will be a heck of a lot easier to convert the pilot than convert the airplane. Every, I mean EVERY taildragger pilot has had scary landings. But as with most things, practice makes perfect. You need more time, and training too. I suggest getting some remedial training with a TD instructor, or even go along with someone who has lots of time in a TD. You should arrange that before you go out for your next flight. You don't need to damage the KF or yourself. As I said, you will be fine once you get some more technique down. Don't despair, we have been there. Don Pearsall -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Wilson Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 7:38 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: New Kitfox Owner needing lots of help --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Wilson" OK, here it is in a nutshell. I just purchased a Kitfox. Love it. However, I only have 32 total hours of flying time. That's all, and I have had one very scary landing. I am strongly considering changing my plane to a nose gear configuration. Help me here, does anyone know about a conversion kit? Is it a good idea for as inexperienced as I am? I really could use some input. Steve Wilson Wilson@REinfo.org