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1. 01:21 AM - HTD belt tracking (John Anderson)
2. 03:37 AM - Re: New Kitfox Owner needing lots of help (Ceashman@aol.com)
3. 04:23 AM - New Kitfox Owner needing lots of help (Michel Verheughe)
4. 04:34 AM - Re: New Kitfox Owner needing lots of help (Fox5flyer)
5. 05:00 AM - Re: New Kitfox Owner needing lots of help (Dave)
6. 06:02 AM - Re: New Kitfox Owner needing lots of help (Jim Burke)
7. 06:52 AM - Re: New Kitfox Owner needing lots of help (Don Smythe)
8. 07:06 AM - Re: New Kitfox Owner needing lots of help (Lowell Fitt)
9. 08:03 AM - Re: New Kitfox Owner needing lots of help (Jimmie Blackwell)
10. 08:03 AM - Re: New Kitfox Owner needing lots of help (Marco Menezes)
11. 08:20 AM - Re: New Kitfox Owner needing lots of help (wingnut)
12. 08:30 AM - Re: New Kitfox Owner needing lots of help (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
13. 08:32 AM - Re: New Kitfox Owner needing lots of help (kitfoxmike)
14. 10:06 AM - Re: New Kitfox Owner needing lots of help (Steve Wilson)
15. 10:25 AM - Rotax carb sockets (Larry Martin)
16. 10:31 AM - Re: HTD belt tracking (kurt schrader)
17. 10:51 AM - Re: New Kitfox Owner needing lots of help (kitfoxmike)
18. 12:05 PM - Re: New Kitfox Owner needing lots of help (Don Smythe)
19. 01:02 PM - Re: Rotax carb sockets (Rexster)
20. 01:42 PM - Re: New Kitfox Owner needing lots of help (kurt schrader)
21. 02:42 PM - Re: Wing types KF IV (Torgeir Mortensen)
22. 03:08 PM - Re: Rotax carb sockets (Lyle Persels)
23. 03:35 PM - Re: Rotax carb sockets (Rexster)
24. 03:36 PM - Re: Rotax carb sockets (Larry Martin)
25. 05:12 PM - Re: Rotax carb sockets (Mnflyer)
26. 05:12 PM - Re: New Kitfox Owner needing lots of help (John Anderson)
27. 05:12 PM - Re: Re: New Kitfox Owner needing lots of help (Steve Wilson)
28. 06:34 PM - Re: Rotax carb sockets (Rob Stapleton)
29. 06:42 PM - water temp 582 (Malcolmbru@aol.com)
30. 06:53 PM - Re:Avid model c For Sale (Mike Tode)
31. 07:00 PM - Re: water temp 582 (Rob Stapleton)
32. 07:18 PM - Re: Rotax carb sockets (Rexster)
33. 07:18 PM - Re: Rotax carb sockets (Mnflyer)
34. 07:31 PM - Re: water temp 582 (Aerobatics@aol.com)
35. 09:39 PM - Re: Wing types KF IV (Guy Buchanan)
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| Subject: | HTD belt tracking |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson" <janderson412@hotmail.com>
Hi, am I correct in thinking that an HTD belt tracks up hill? That is
if the belt is tracking hard forward, to get it to track back would
require the top pulley to be tilted down at the front? John A
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| Subject: | Re: New Kitfox Owner needing lots of help |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Ceashman@aol.com
>>Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall"
>>Every, I mean EVERY taildragger pilot has had scary landings.
I don't think so Don. What if you close your eyes when about 5 foot off?
Nothing scary about that! (Only kidding)
Steve, you say you have "only 32 hours of flying time"
Is this all aircraft and you are at the solo period? Or is this in a Kitfox?
But in 32 first hours in a new airplane, I think there should be about 40 to
50 landings. And if the one scary landing was early then you have many
landings that were good. If that scary landing was recently, then you probably
found
yourself in a cross wind or closed your eyes at the last minute, something
like that.
Personally I think that all lead up to landings should be keeping me on edge.
That doesn't suggest that it is scary but being on edge keeps me in front of
all the action rather than behind. When with a passenger and on short final,
if the passenger is a chatter box I tell him/her to be quiet THIS IS THE FIRST
TIME THAT I AM DOINGTHIS, that gets them quiet and scares the pants off of
them.
When I am behind, that is when it gets scary.
Hang in there, look at a instructor for some tailwheel time because tail
wheel aircraft are so cool.
Eric.
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| Subject: | New Kitfox Owner needing lots of help |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: Ceashman@aol.com
> That doesn't suggest that it is scary but being on edge keeps me in front of
> all the action rather than behind.
Exactly my opinion! Thank you, Eric, for writing it down.
Dear New Kitfox Pilot,
I was also a New Kitfox Pilot with now previous aviation experience, three years
ago. I saw a Kitfox, it smiled at me and I bought her. Then people told me:
"You can't fly that! A taildragger is not for a beginner!" But my father started
flying, in 1938, on a taildragger! If I he could, I could too!
After 200 Kitfox hours, I just love it and, as Eric says, it's only a matter of
keeping awake when you land. Please, think twice before making your Kitfox a
tricycle.
Make sure your gears don't have too much toe-in or toe-out, that the tailwheel
is properly fixed at a correct angle, the springs not too slack, your toe brakes
not asymetric and all the other good advice you'll get on this list.
Then avoid crosswind, turbulence and fly, fly a lot of touch and go. Last Sunday,
I was up, doing only touch and go for one hour. It's fun, you learn, you know
your plane like no one else, you are part of your plane, you are the pilot
in command.
To start with, I was very scared with ... absolutely everything on a plane. But
I wanted to fly. I am still scared but after each flight, I become more acquainted
with my Kitfox and that's what it's all about ... for me.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: New Kitfox Owner needing lots of help |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
I agree with Don's advice. At 32 hours it doesn't matter if it's a
taildragger or nosewheel you'll still get some scary landings. Much easier,
cheaper, and quicker to just get proficient at tailwheel. Try to get
someone who will teach you in the KF and at some point it will just "click".
Doesn't really have to be a CFI for this--just someone who is good at it.
Deke
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall"
<donpearsall@comcast.net>
>
> Steve, I am sure you will get lots of replies. My opinion is that it will
be
> a heck of a lot easier to convert the pilot than convert the airplane.
>
> Every, I mean EVERY taildragger pilot has had scary landings. But as with
> most things, practice makes perfect. You need more time, and training too.
I
> suggest getting some remedial training with a TD instructor, or even go
> along with someone who has lots of time in a TD. You should arrange that
> before you go out for your next flight. You don't need to damage the KF or
> yourself.
>
> As I said, you will be fine once you get some more technique down. Don't
> despair, we have been there.
>
> Don Pearsall
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Wilson
> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 7:38 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: New Kitfox Owner needing lots of help
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Wilson" <Wilson@REinfo.org>
>
> OK, here it is in a nutshell. I just purchased a Kitfox. Love it.
> However, I only have 32 total hours of flying time. That's all, and I
> have had one very scary landing. I am strongly considering changing my
> plane to a nose gear configuration. Help me here, does anyone know
> about a conversion kit? Is it a good idea for as inexperienced as I am?
> I really could use some input.
> Steve Wilson
> Wilson@REinfo.org
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: New Kitfox Owner needing lots of help |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Hi Steve,
I have flown for nearly 3 decades in a multitude of aircraft and gear
configurations. You biggest issue here is lack of experience.
What training have you had so far in your flying career ?
You sound like your started in a tri-gear and they have a tendency to make a
pilot lazy with his /her feet.
I would suggest get a min. of 5 hours tail time with a competent CFI in a
Kitfox if possible. the biggest part of flying is the landing and take off.
If you cannot control all three axises then you will have trouble landing.
Always must keep your yaw under control and if you are lazy on feet, well
you can veer off easily.
Best Regards,
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Wilson" <Wilson@REinfo.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 10:37 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: New Kitfox Owner needing lots of help
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Wilson" <Wilson@REinfo.org>
>
> OK, here it is in a nutshell. I just purchased a Kitfox. Love it.
> However, I only have 32 total hours of flying time. That's all, and I
> have had one very scary landing. I am strongly considering changing my
> plane to a nose gear configuration. Help me here, does anyone know
> about a conversion kit? Is it a good idea for as inexperienced as I am?
> I really could use some input.
> Steve Wilson
> Wilson@REinfo.org
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: New Kitfox Owner needing lots of help |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jim Burke" <jeburke94je@hughes.net>
Steve, I was in the same boat as you when I purchased my KF IV used in 2002.
Only difference is I had 400 hours in a tricycle gear aircraft. I am lucky
to have a CFI as a good friend, and enlisted his time to help me over come
this wild thing I had put in my hanger. This is how the lessons went. First
we went thru the basics of the tailwheel and a landing or two that he
controlled. We then taxied back to the hanger and checked to see if there
was fresh coffee and had a seat at the table. Now this may not work for
every one but it worked great for me. My instructor told me to start taxing
every chance and evening that I could. He told me after I had taxied and
practiced ground work for 10 hrs,(slow,high speed,tail wheel up and down) He
would take me up for my first solo landing with him in the seat as a backup.
I have made every landing solo since then. I credit the 10 hrs of ground
work before atemping my first landing for making the transition much easier
in my case. I think having the skill needed to control the plane on the
ground, is very inportent before attemping to make your first landing.
Jim N94JE
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 7:33 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: New Kitfox Owner needing lots of help
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>
> I agree with Don's advice. At 32 hours it doesn't matter if it's a
> taildragger or nosewheel you'll still get some scary landings.
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| Subject: | Re: New Kitfox Owner needing lots of help |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
>> practiced ground work for 10 hrs,(slow,high speed,tail wheel up and down)
>> He >>
Jim,
No offence but I personally think that high speed taxi with the " tail
up" is for a more experienced tail wheel pilot. When I first started, I
couldn't even keep the Fox on the runway during take off (much less landing)
and I was tail wheel certified. However at the time, I hadn't flown a tail
wheel for years. When you are in a high speed taxi, you don't have enough
airspeed to take off and a little side wind can ruin your day. Just had a
friend whose Son was a tailwheel certified CFI wipe out one wing tip on his
Fox (groundloope).
I would recommend getting some good CFI time and then fly with
absolutely no wind for the first few times. Then gradually add a little
wind component.
Don Smythe
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| Subject: | Re: New Kitfox Owner needing lots of help |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Hi Steve,
I read the other posts with good advice, and sorry if this is a repeat, but
the first thing I would do is get out of th airplane stand at the tail and
line up the airplane with a distant object. - vertical prop blade and
vertical tail on a tree or rock or something.. Get into the airplane,
settle comfortably in the pilots seat and with a grease pencil or thin strip
of tape, mark the windsheld exactly where the distant object appears as you
sit in your comfortable position. That is straight ahead.
With the round cowl, there is a taper toward the spinner that is not
apparent as you land and if you line up with the runway using the side of
the cowl, like on a Cessna, you will be landing in a crab. I used this
technique and it helped a bunch and I trained in tailwheels from day one.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Wilson" <Wilson@REinfo.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 7:37 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: New Kitfox Owner needing lots of help
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Wilson" <Wilson@REinfo.org>
>
> OK, here it is in a nutshell. I just purchased a Kitfox. Love it.
> However, I only have 32 total hours of flying time. That's all, and I
> have had one very scary landing. I am strongly considering changing my
> plane to a nose gear configuration. Help me here, does anyone know
> about a conversion kit? Is it a good idea for as inexperienced as I am?
> I really could use some input.
> Steve Wilson
> Wilson@REinfo.org
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: New Kitfox Owner needing lots of help |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jimmie Blackwell <jimmieblackwell@sbcglobal.net>
I agree with Don. High speed taxi is dangerous for inexperienced tail wheel pilots.
Do get a lot of taxi time, just not high speed.
You will love the Kitfox. I was 60 years old when I leaned to fly the Kitfox.
Now I would not even consider changing it to a tri-gear. It is to much fun
as a tail wheel airplane.
Jimmie
Don Smythe <dosmythe@cox.net> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe"
>> practiced ground work for 10 hrs,(slow,high speed,tail wheel up and down)
>> He >>
Jim,
No offence but I personally think that high speed taxi with the " tail
up" is for a more experienced tail wheel pilot. When I first started, I
couldn't even keep the Fox on the runway during take off (much less landing)
and I was tail wheel certified. However at the time, I hadn't flown a tail
wheel for years. When you are in a high speed taxi, you don't have enough
airspeed to take off and a little side wind can ruin your day. Just had a
friend whose Son was a tailwheel certified CFI wipe out one wing tip on his
Fox (groundloope).
I would recommend getting some good CFI time and then fly with
absolutely no wind for the first few times. Then gradually add a little
wind component.
Don Smythe
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| Subject: | Re: New Kitfox Owner needing lots of help |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com>
Hey Steve.
Good advice all around. I would only add that you should start and stay on grass
untill you feel confident in your Fox's ground handling characteristics. I've
reached the point now with 17 hrs on my Fox that I was feeling a little cocky.
This week, I had an "interesting" landing on pavement in a cross wind. It's
back to the grass for me!
Lowell Fitt <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt"
Hi Steve,
I read the other posts with good advice, and sorry if this is a repeat, but
the first thing I would do is get out of th airplane stand at the tail and
line up the airplane with a distant object. - vertical prop blade and
vertical tail on a tree or rock or something.. Get into the airplane,
settle comfortably in the pilots seat and with a grease pencil or thin strip
of tape, mark the windsheld exactly where the distant object appears as you
sit in your comfortable position. That is straight ahead.
With the round cowl, there is a taper toward the spinner that is not
apparent as you land and if you line up with the runway using the side of
the cowl, like on a Cessna, you will be landing in a crab. I used this
technique and it helped a bunch and I trained in tailwheels from day one.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Wilson"
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 7:37 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: New Kitfox Owner needing lots of help
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Wilson"
>
> OK, here it is in a nutshell. I just purchased a Kitfox. Love it.
> However, I only have 32 total hours of flying time. That's all, and I
> have had one very scary landing. I am strongly considering changing my
> plane to a nose gear configuration. Help me here, does anyone know
> about a conversion kit? Is it a good idea for as inexperienced as I am?
> I really could use some input.
> Steve Wilson
> Wilson@REinfo.org
>
>
>
Marco Menezes
Model 2 582 N99KX
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| Subject: | Re: New Kitfox Owner needing lots of help |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
Lot's of good advice already so I'll just add my experience since it sounds similar
to yours. I switched to my Kitfox after 20 hours of training and just after
my first solo in a 172. Wasn't even done with my private ticket yet. Took me
a while to find an instructor who would continue my training in the KF but it
was worth the effort. After my first few lessons, I was also wondering if I
had made a mistake switching to TD so soon but I stuck with it and now I'm glad
I did. Cross wind landings are still scary to me so I just avoid anything over
a 5mph cross wind component and I'm good to go.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=36216#36216
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| Subject: | Re: New Kitfox Owner needing lots of help |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net
some good tail wheel dual training will cost you less and benefit you in other
ways.
John Kerr
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Steve Wilson" <Wilson@REinfo.org>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Wilson"
>
> OK, here it is in a nutshell. I just purchased a Kitfox. Love it.
> However, I only have 32 total hours of flying time. That's all, and I
> have had one very scary landing. I am strongly considering changing my
> plane to a nose gear configuration. Help me here, does anyone know
> about a conversion kit? Is it a good idea for as inexperienced as I am?
> I really could use some input.
> Steve Wilson
> Wilson@REinfo.org
>
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<DIV>some good tail wheel dual training will cost you less and benefit you in other
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| Subject: | Re: New Kitfox Owner needing lots of help |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com>
Wow! what a post, great advice given so far. Now with me I started flying with
the fox and had to go in a cessna for the final check ride(because the examiner
would not fly in an experimental). My instructor was tail wheel and he couldn't
get the landings smooth on the fox, he referred to it as an untamed animal.
That was when the airplane was a long wing, now it's a short wing with spring
gear, what a difference. I now have over 350 hours in the fox. My landings
are near perfect. The last time I went flying my wife had to tell me something
like, wow the wheels are turning, she didn't think we were down yet, and
I was down for 15 seconds already. My advice to anybody is to do a lot of approach
to landings with holding off the runway for the entire length, you don't
need to touch, it wears tires anyway, keep it straight and get use to slow flight,
if not just over the runway, take it up 1000 ft. and slow flight and keep
it straight to something on the ground.
Lowells advice is a good one, I had to do it in the old days, that cowl is very
deceiving. After awhile you will clean it off.
The wing was the no. 1 best thing done on my airplane, the short wing handles better
in all conditions. Expecially in a cross wind. A couple flights ago I landed
and was hit with a direct cross 12kt. wind, on arrival I was told that it
was calm, but just as I touched down the sock next to me all the sudden went
up and showed a cross, I quickly responded to the change, but didn't have any
trouble, although the tower was trying to get me to respond for turning off the
runway, I kept flying the airplane and ignored them. Which you have to remember
that flying the airplane is first and communication is second. Seems he
wanted a response just as I was touching down, and didn't like it that I ignored
him. I would have done the same thing if the winds were calm or down the
runway, I give the landing 150% at all times.
I think if I had to do it all over I would still want the taildrag, I think the
fox doesn't look right as a tri gear. Although there are advantages to the nose
gear, like taxing and turning off the runway to the right and if you end up
changing that's just fine, it's your airplane, but you still need to know how
to land the fox straight on the runway, or you will look funny still weaving
all over the runway.
One last note on the kitfox, tail or tri is the stick needs to be aligned straight
for level take off. Best way to do this is fly on a calm day and mark on
the panel where level flight is, then when you do your take off make sure the
stick is in this possision, other wise when you take off that plane will dip to
the side you favor, generally that is to the left in which you will be fighting
to straighten things out. Also on a cross wind take off my advice is to keep
it level on the stick until lift off and then gently move the stick to the
side for proper cross control, if by chance you have the stick aligned with the
wind and you lift off you could end up like another fox I witnessed one time
and came within inches of touching a wing tip on lift off, not good.
--------
kitfoxmike
kitfox4 1200 912ul speedster
http://www.frappr.com/kitfoxmike
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| Subject: | Re: New Kitfox Owner needing lots of help |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Wilson" <Wilson@REinfo.org>
Eric,
My total time in the kitfox is only about 2 hours. The other 30 hours was
in a C172. I'm brand new at this flying stuff. I wanted to do it all my
life but never have. I'm now 56 years old and just starting out. I feel
like a young kid with a new toy and love to fly, but I also understand that
I don't know enough to know I don't know enough. I just bought the kitfox
thinking I could fly it out of my pasture and go into the backcountry. Now,
I need a new prop and new landing gear!!
Steve Wilson
----- Original Message -----
From: <Ceashman@aol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 4:33 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: New Kitfox Owner needing lots of help
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Ceashman@aol.com
>
>>>Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall"
>>>Every, I mean EVERY taildragger pilot has had scary landings.
>
> I don't think so Don. What if you close your eyes when about 5 foot off?
> Nothing scary about that! (Only kidding)
>
> Steve, you say you have "only 32 hours of flying time"
> Is this all aircraft and you are at the solo period? Or is this in a
> Kitfox?
> But in 32 first hours in a new airplane, I think there should be about 40
> to
> 50 landings. And if the one scary landing was early then you have many
> landings that were good. If that scary landing was recently, then you
> probably found
> yourself in a cross wind or closed your eyes at the last minute, something
> like that.
>
> Personally I think that all lead up to landings should be keeping me on
> edge.
> That doesn't suggest that it is scary but being on edge keeps me in front
> of
> all the action rather than behind. When with a passenger and on short
> final,
> if the passenger is a chatter box I tell him/her to be quiet THIS IS THE
> FIRST
> TIME THAT I AM DOINGTHIS, that gets them quiet and scares the pants off of
> them.
> When I am behind, that is when it gets scary.
> Hang in there, look at a instructor for some tailwheel time because tail
> wheel aircraft are so cool.
>
> Eric.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Rotax carb sockets |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <CrownLJ@verizon.net>
In order not to have the appearance of an endorsement or solicitation; =
I'm trying to ask a question without naming the company. There is a =
non-Rotax source for the rubber carb sockets. The price is the same, =
but the company claims a 10 yr life due to rubber composition. Has =
anyone had experience with this socket? =20
Thanks,
Larry
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| Subject: | Re: HTD belt tracking |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Hey John,
I don't have a belt drive, but most other belts track
to the low side. The only belts I know of that do the
opposite are those belts that push rather than run on
tension, or some that run on a crowned pulley
(slightly higher in the middle) which can make it
different too. If someone has a belt drive and knows
better, jump in here.
Your's is a cog belt, correct? If yours is pulling to
the front, I think you need to tilt it back. Try it a
little at a time and see what happens. Very small
adjustments mean a lot.
Tracking hard forward? To reduce wear while fixing
this you could pull the plugs, hook up a battery
charger, and drive it with the starter to aid in
adjusting. That should get you close. The lower load
should help a lot, but let the starter cool between
operations. If I am wrong and you need to go the
other way, this will keep you from hurting it more.
Self protection here. :-)
Once tracking well, run it under power where you get
the most load and see how it works. I think the hard
tension will flex the mounts a little compared to just
the starter, so it will drift a bit. But once close
with the starter, running will let you fine track it
without excessive wear.
My best guess until someone with better experience
comes along. Any snowmobile drivers here? Belt
driven motorcycles?
Kurt S.
--- John Anderson <janderson412@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Hi, am I correct in thinking that an HTD belt tracks
> up hill? That is
> if the belt is tracking hard forward, to get it to
> track back would
> require the top pulley to be tilted down at the
> front? John A
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| Subject: | Re: New Kitfox Owner needing lots of help |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com>
Steve,
I have one bit of advice to give to you, don't trust anybody in the aviation community,
if I'm reading your post right, I wouldn't say any more about your flying
experience.
--------
kitfoxmike
kitfox4 1200 912ul speedster
http://www.frappr.com/kitfoxmike
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=36244#36244
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| Subject: | Re: New Kitfox Owner needing lots of help |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
Steve,
You mention flying out of the old pasture. A tail dragger is best for
this kind of flying. Also, your number of flying hours and the experience
you mention don't quite add up. As suggested, you might want to keep some
secrets to yourself. It almost sounds like you were flying that Fox without
any tailwheel instruction. If so, you did a pretty good job.
When I was having trouble taming my Fox this list gave me the best
advice.....GO PARK THE FOX IN THE HANGER and find a good tailwheel
instructor.
Don Smythe
> Eric,
> My total time in the kitfox is only about 2 hours. The other 30 hours was
> in a C172. I'm brand new at this flying stuff. I wanted to do it all my
> life but never have. I'm now 56 years old and just starting out. I feel
> like a young kid with a new toy and love to fly, but I also understand
> that
> I don't know enough to know I don't know enough. I just bought the kitfox
> thinking I could fly it out of my pasture and go into the backcountry.
> Now,
> I need a new prop and new landing gear!!
> Steve Wilson
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax carb sockets |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rexster" <runwayrex@juno.com>
Go one better Larry,
I buy Sea Doo snowmobile carb sockets for about 1/10th the Rotax cost.=
I was sent in that direction by a Rotax employee. They work great!
Rex Phelps / Michigan / model 3
-- "Larry Martin" <CrownLJ@verizon.net> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <CrownLJ@verizon.net>
In order not to have the appearance of an endorsement or solicitation; =3D=
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Larry
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| Subject: | Re: New Kitfox Owner needing lots of help |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Hi Steve,
You get the best advice here without a doubt.
Flying is not about risk taking, but risk control.
Like Lowell's example, you can control some risk with
just a piece of tape. I have maybe 14,000 hours of
flying now and I will be flying a Boeing 767 tonight.
But like Lowell suggested, I have a little red
"gunsight" on my KitFox windscreen and mine will stay
there. When I haven't flown the Fox in a while, it
keeps me lined up. When I have flown the Fox, I fly
everything else better.
This is like learning how to drive an automatic car,
then trying to teach yourself to drive a motorcycle,
having never ridden a bike before. You are gonna fall
down.
Taildraggers are like motorcycles. Lots of fun, but
only as safe as you make them. So as suggested:
Tailwheel instruction
Grass runway
Taxi practice
Tape sight
Check gear alignment
Limit your cross winds
Then have so much fun getting it right your cheeks
hurt from smiling.
Don't skip any steps. ;-)
Kurt S.
--- Lowell Fitt <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Hi Steve,
>
> I read the other posts with good advice, and sorry
> if this is a repeat, but
> the first thing I would do is get out of th airplane
> stand at the tail and
> line up the airplane with a distant object. -
> vertical prop blade and
> vertical tail on a tree or rock or something.. Get
> into the airplane,
> settle comfortably in the pilots seat and with a
> grease pencil or thin strip
> of tape, mark the windsheld exactly where the
> distant object appears as you
> sit in your comfortable position. That is straight
> ahead.
>
> With the round cowl, there is a taper toward the
> spinner that is not
> apparent as you land and if you line up with the
> runway using the side of
> the cowl, like on a Cessna, you will be landing in a
> crab. I used this
> technique and it helped a bunch and I trained in
> tailwheels from day one.
>
> Lowell
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Wilson" <Wilson@REinfo.org>
> >
> > OK, here it is in a nutshell. I just purchased a
> Kitfox. Love it.
> > However, I only have 32 total hours of flying
> time. That's all, and I
> > have had one very scary landing. I am strongly
> considering changing my
> > plane to a nose gear configuration. Help me here,
> does anyone know
> > about a conversion kit? Is it a good idea for as
> inexperienced as I am?
> > I really could use some input.
> > Steve Wilson
> > Wilson@REinfo.org
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| Subject: | Re: Wing types KF IV |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
OK., Guy,
Well lets look at the SB's. They are made based on reports / feedback /
incident reported by owners / operators of aircrafts.
When the factory find "common" failures in the basic construction or parts
used herein (parts del. with the kit) that must be corrected, they issue a
Service Bulletin to address mandatory or recommended changes to the
aircraft.
The involved aircraft is listed here by serial numbers, groups of numbers,
or in some cases valid for all aircraft of that type, I.E. Kitfox Model
IV 1050 (this latter is only valid for all S/N of the model IV 1050, and
if Skystar ever made this model their alpha numeric numbers is also valid
here).
There's no need for you to convert this number in any way for use in the
SB matter. When a SB is valid for your plane, your number is stated there
(yes your alpha numeric), either as valid ALL serial numbers or as a
listed group of serial number.
There is two different dates we must be aware of, the delivery date from
the factory and the construction date (year of manufacture).
The manufacturer of Kitfox kit use the deliv. date as reference for their
own records, and this is the basement for specific individs when dealing
with SB's and SL's.
Remember, the model IV 1200 is based on all the prev. models, all the way
from the very first model 1.
Most of the corrections / improvements is already built into the model IV
1200 by Skystar, and this is the main reason for that your S/N is not
present in the SB list, however, any valid for all S/N "model IV 1200"
will include your Kitfox.
Have a look at the newer Skystar models, series 5, 6 and 7 -you'll find
plenty of alphanumeric numbers there, now you know why.
Hope this help.
Regards
Torgeir
On Tue, 23 May 2006 20:41:06 -0700, Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
>
> At 05:21 PM 5/23/2006, you wrote:
>> The only place there is some "official" info about; "there is some other
>> numbers", is in the SB's (service bulletins) and SL's (service letters).
>
> That's the problem. The SB's and SL's all reference a four digit number
> serial number. I have to go by the manufacturing date. I'd like to
> correlate my number to the four digit number. (Although it really doesn't
> matter, since I answered every SL and SB that remotely applied.)
>
>
> Guy Buchanan
> K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
>
> Do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax carb sockets |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lyle Persels <lpers@mchsi.com>
Rex,
Do you have a web site you can point us to for these parts?
Lyle P.
On 05 24, 06, at 7:59 PM, Rexster wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rexster" <runwayrex@juno.com>
>
> Go one better Larry,
> I buy Sea Doo snowmobile carb sockets for about 1/10th the Rotax
> cost.=
> I was sent in that direction by a Rotax employee. They work great!
> Rex Phelps / Michigan / model 3
>
>
> -- "Larry Martin" <CrownLJ@verizon.net> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Larry Martin"
> <CrownLJ@verizon.net>
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> Thanks,
> Larry
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax carb sockets |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rexster" <runwayrex@juno.com>
No I don't have a website for that. I took my torn boot to my local snow=
mobile dealer who sells Sea Doo (Rotax engined). I showed him my expensi=
ve boots and he came out with a box of almost identical ones. I don't re=
member the exact price, but they were someplace in the $5 - 6 range.I bo=
ught about ten of them and split my haul with my buddy. Neither of us ha=
s replaced since. One way to prolong the life of these is to attach mult=
iple springs (I use four) to the carb, coming from the manifold. Follow =
the other directions about the clamp spacing too. I haven't changed one =
in about 200 hours now.
Rex Phelps / Michigan / Model 3
-- Lyle Persels <lpers@mchsi.com> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lyle Persels <lpers@mchsi.com>
Rex,
Do you have a web site you can point us to for these parts?
Lyle P.
On 05 24, 06, at 7:59 PM, Rexster wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rexster" <runwayrex@juno.com>
>
> Go one better Larry,
> I buy Sea Doo snowmobile carb sockets for about 1/10th the Rotax =
> cost.=3D
> I was sent in that direction by a Rotax employee. They work great!
> Rex Phelps / Michigan / model 3
>
>
> -- "Larry Martin" <CrownLJ@verizon.net> wrote:
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ocal snowmobile dealer who sells Sea Doo (Rotax engined). I showed him m=
y expensive boots and he came out with a box of almost identical ones. I=
don't remember the exact price, but they were someplace in the $5 - 6 r=
ange.I bought about ten of them and split my haul with my buddy. Neither=
of us has replaced since. One way to prolong the life of these is to at=
tach multiple springs (I use four) to the carb, coming from the manifold=
. Follow the other directions about the clamp spacing too. I haven't cha=
nged one in about 200 hours now.</P>
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sage posted by: Lyle Persels <lpers@mchsi.co=
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax carb sockets |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" <CrownLJ@verizon.net>
Great, what yr/model of Ski Doo?
Larry
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax carb sockets |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Mnflyer" <gbsb2002@yahoo.com>
I have and am using the JBM brand carb sockets on my 503 and have a pair for the
582, also have a pair a spares for the HKS on my Kitfox, the HKS/912 are considerably
less than the Rotax/Bing sockets.
Iam very satisfied.
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GB
MNFlyer
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: New Kitfox Owner needing lots of help |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson" <janderson412@hotmail.com>
Flying is not about risk taking, but risk control. You are so right Kurt,
well written. John A. Up there with ya on the hours but still a bit
scared....
From: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: New Kitfox Owner needing lots of help
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
<smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Hi Steve,
You get the best advice here without a doubt.
Flying is not about risk taking, but risk control.
Like Lowell's example, you can control some risk with
just a piece of tape. I have maybe 14,000 hours of
flying now and I will be flying a Boeing 767 tonight.
But like Lowell suggested, I have a little red
"gunsight" on my KitFox windscreen and mine will stay
there. When I haven't flown the Fox in a while, it
keeps me lined up. When I have flown the Fox, I fly
everything else better.
This is like learning how to drive an automatic car,
then trying to teach yourself to drive a motorcycle,
having never ridden a bike before. You are gonna fall
down.
Taildraggers are like motorcycles. Lots of fun, but
only as safe as you make them. So as suggested:
Tailwheel instruction
Grass runway
Taxi practice
Tape sight
Check gear alignment
Limit your cross winds
Then have so much fun getting it right your cheeks
hurt from smiling.
Don't skip any steps. ;-)
Kurt S.
--- Lowell Fitt <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Hi Steve,
>
> I read the other posts with good advice, and sorry
> if this is a repeat, but
> the first thing I would do is get out of th airplane
> stand at the tail and
> line up the airplane with a distant object. -
> vertical prop blade and
> vertical tail on a tree or rock or something.. Get
> into the airplane,
> settle comfortably in the pilots seat and with a
> grease pencil or thin strip
> of tape, mark the windsheld exactly where the
> distant object appears as you
> sit in your comfortable position. That is straight
> ahead.
>
> With the round cowl, there is a taper toward the
> spinner that is not
> apparent as you land and if you line up with the
> runway using the side of
> the cowl, like on a Cessna, you will be landing in a
> crab. I used this
> technique and it helped a bunch and I trained in
> tailwheels from day one.
>
> Lowell
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Wilson" <Wilson@REinfo.org>
> >
> > OK, here it is in a nutshell. I just purchased a
> Kitfox. Love it.
> > However, I only have 32 total hours of flying
> time. That's all, and I
> > have had one very scary landing. I am strongly
> considering changing my
> > plane to a nose gear configuration. Help me here,
> does anyone know
> > about a conversion kit? Is it a good idea for as
> inexperienced as I am?
> > I really could use some input.
> > Steve Wilson
> > Wilson@REinfo.org
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Message received and understood. Thank you.
----- Original Message -----
From: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 11:50 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: New Kitfox Owner needing lots of help
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com>
>
> Steve,
> I have one bit of advice to give to you, don't trust anybody in the
> aviation community, if I'm reading your post right, I wouldn't say any
> more about your flying experience.
>
> --------
> kitfoxmike
> kitfox4 1200 912ul speedster
> http://www.frappr.com/kitfoxmike
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=36244#36244
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rob Stapleton" <foto@alaska.net>
Where are you getting those sockets? I just spent $52 for two of the sockets
for a R-582 with CPS. Rotax recommends replacing them every year for
aircraft engines, and I live in the cold country (ALASKA) and its hell on
them. So where...?
Rob Stapleton
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rexster
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Rotax carb sockets
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rexster" <runwayrex@juno.com>
No I don't have a website for that. I took my torn boot to my local snow=
mobile dealer who sells Sea Doo (Rotax engined). I showed him my expensi=
ve boots and he came out with a box of almost identical ones. I don't re=
member the exact price, but they were someplace in the $5 - 6 range.I bo=
ught about ten of them and split my haul with my buddy. Neither of us ha=
s replaced since. One way to prolong the life of these is to attach mult=
iple springs (I use four) to the carb, coming from the manifold. Follow =
the other directions about the clamp spacing too. I haven't changed one =
in about 200 hours now.
Rex Phelps / Michigan / Model 3
-- Lyle Persels <lpers@mchsi.com> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lyle Persels <lpers@mchsi.com>
Rex,
Do you have a web site you can point us to for these parts?
Lyle P.
On 05 24, 06, at 7:59 PM, Rexster wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rexster" <runwayrex@juno.com>
>
> Go one better Larry,
> I buy Sea Doo snowmobile carb sockets for about 1/10th the Rotax =
> cost.=3D
> I was sent in that direction by a Rotax employee. They work great!
> Rex Phelps / Michigan / model 3
>
>
> -- "Larry Martin" <CrownLJ@verizon.net> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Larry Martin" =
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>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Malcolmbru@aol.com
I think my KF2 is ready to fly but the water temp is 185 on static run up
egt,s are good any body got a good way of checking the water temp gage /
sender? Like an inferred thermostat gun or something? how much radiator fluid
should be in the small bottle cold and hot?
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| Subject: | re:Avid model c For Sale |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Mike Tode" <mhteck@charter.net>
I will be selling my Avid Model C. 1991 model 582 Rotax.
Send me your phone number or e-mail and I will contact you off list.=20
Price will be 16k. I have pictures and more information to share.
Mike
mhteck@charter.net
mtode@rosemurgy.com
Send e-mail to both address'
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rob Stapleton" <foto@alaska.net>
During break-in I found it hard to keep my water temp below 190F and it even
flies at 185F and when climbing 190F. I took out the thermostat, put in a
thermometer and checked the water temp,( engine off) and also checked the
thermostat opening temp by putting it in hot H20 with a thermometer to
monitor that also.
Some engines run hotter than others, and some gauges are not as accurate as
they claim to be.
RS
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Malcolmbru@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 5:42 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: water temp 582
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Malcolmbru@aol.com
I think my KF2 is ready to fly but the water temp is 185 on static run up
egt,s are good any body got a good way of checking the water temp gage /
sender? Like an inferred thermostat gun or something? how much radiator
fluid
should be in the small bottle cold and hot?
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| Subject: | Rotax carb sockets |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rexster" <runwayrex@juno.com>
I don't know what sockets the 582 uses. I have the 912 UL. I will check =
part numbers of these this weekend when I get to the hangar.
Rex
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-- "Rob Stapleton" <foto@alaska.net> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rob Stapleton" <foto@alaska.net>
Where are you getting those sockets? I just spent $52 for two of the soc=
kets
for a R-582 with CPS. Rotax recommends replacing them every year for
aircraft engines, and I live in the cold country (ALASKA) and its hell o=
n
them. So where...?
Rob Stapleton
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rexster
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Rotax carb sockets
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rexster" <runwayrex@juno.com>
No I don't have a website for that. I took my torn boot to my local snow=
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in about 200 hours now.
Rex Phelps / Michigan / Model 3
-- Lyle Persels <lpers@mchsi.com> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lyle Persels <lpers@mchsi.com>
Rex,
Do you have a web site you can point us to for these parts?
Lyle P.
On 05 24, 06, at 7:59 PM, Rexster wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rexster" <runwayrex@juno.com>
>
> Go one better Larry,
> I buy Sea Doo snowmobile carb sockets for about 1/10th the Rotax =3D=
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> I was sent in that direction by a Rotax employee. They work great!
> Rex Phelps / Michigan / model 3
>
>
> -- "Larry Martin" <CrownLJ@verizon.net> wrote:
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<P><BR><BR>-- "Rob Stapleton" <foto@alaska.net>&nbs=
p;wrote:<BR>--> Kitfox-List message posted by:&nb=
sp;"Rob Stapleton" <foto@alaska.net><BR><BR><BR><BR>Wher=
e are you getting those sockets? I ju=
st spent $52 for two of the sockets<B=
R>for a R-582 with CPS. Rotax recommends&n=
bsp;replacing them every year for<BR>aircraft e=
ngines, and I live in the cold countr=
y (ALASKA) and its hell on<BR>them. So&nbs=
p;where...?<BR><BR>Rob Stapleton<BR><BR>-----Original Message-=
----<BR>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com<BR>[mailto:own=
er-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Re=
xster<BR>Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 2:33&nbs=
p;PM<BR>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<BR>Subject: Re: Kit=
fox-List: Rotax carb sockets<BR><BR>--> Kitfox-Li=
st message posted by: "Rexster" <runwayrex@j=
uno.com><BR><BR>No I don't have a website&nb=
sp;for that. I took my torn boot to&n=
bsp;my local snow=3D<BR>mobile dealer who sells=
Sea Doo (Rotax engined). I showed hi=
m my expensi=3D<BR>ve boots and he came&nb=
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sp;since. One way to prolong the life =
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ings (I use four) to the carb, coming=
from the manifold. Follow =3D<BR>the othe=
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nbsp;I haven't changed one =3D<BR>in about =
;200 hours now.<BR>Rex Phelps / Michigan /=
Model 3<BR><BR>-- Lyle Persels <lpers@mchsi=
.com> wrote:<BR>--> Kitfox-List message posted=
by: Lyle Persels <lpers@mchsi.com><BR><BR>Rex=
,<BR><BR>Do you have a web site you c=
an point us to for these parts?<BR><BR>Lyl=
e P.<BR><BR>On 05 24, 06, at 7:59 PM,=
Rexster wrote:<BR><BR>> --> Kitfox-List =
message posted by: "Rexster" <runwayrex@juno.com&=
gt;<BR>><BR>> Go one better Larry,<BR>>&nbs=
p; I buy Sea Doo snowmobile carb&nbs=
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bsp;Michigan / model 3<BR>><BR>><BR>> --&nb=
sp;"Larry Martin" <CrownLJ@verizon.net> wrote:<BR>&=
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"Larry Martin" =3D<BR><BR>> <CrownLJ@verizon.=
net><BR>><BR>> In order not to have&nb=
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax carb sockets |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Mnflyer" <gbsb2002@yahoo.com>
Hi Rob, he generally has an Ad on Barnstormers, sometimes has them on e-bay, I
don't have his phone number here at the house , if you can't find an ad on Barnstormers
let me know and I'll post the phone #.
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GB
MNFlyer
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: water temp 582 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Aerobatics@aol.com
In a message dated 5/24/2006 9:01:27 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
foto@alaska.net writes:
During break-in I found it hard to keep my water temp below 190F and it even
flies at 185F and when climbing 190F. I took out the thermostat, put in a
thermometer and checked the water temp,( engine off) and also checked the
thermostat opening temp by putting it in hot H20 with a thermometer to
monitor that also.
Some engines run hotter than others, and some gauges are not as accurate as
they claim to be.
RS
About a year ago I flew my KF to Rotax service center for a 150 hour carbon
looksie. I dont want to say who, but the did a REALLY nice job, but man it
all of a sudden ran "hot".
The short story is, the ratio of water to Glycol is VERY important. Water
is much better at taking away heat than the Glycol. When we drained and
properly measured the ratio 50/50, instant 180!
Something else to consider...:-)
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: Wing types KF IV |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
At 02:40 PM 5/24/2006, you wrote:
>OK., Guy,
...
>Torgeir
Thanks Torgeir!
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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