---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 05/28/06: 37 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:12 AM - Re: Pedal torque tube bushings? Question? (David Steade) 2. 04:14 AM - Re: 582 wiring (Dave) 3. 04:25 AM - Subaru EA81, Dave Johnson redrive conversion, mount for Model II, III FOR SALE (Bruce Harrison) 4. 05:07 AM - 582 Cooling (Don Smythe) 5. 05:07 AM - 582 Cooling (Don Smythe) 6. 06:43 AM - Re: 582 Cooling (Clem Nichols) 7. 06:57 AM - Re: 582 Cooling 1994 this was a pre blue head version I assume (Aerobatics@aol.com) 8. 07:18 AM - Re: Pedal torque tube bushings? Question? (darinh) 9. 08:21 AM - Re: 582 Cooling (Dave) 10. 08:36 AM - Re: Pedal torque tube bushings? Question? (kurt schrader) 11. 08:57 AM - Re: Subaru EA81, Dave Johnson redrive conversion, mount for Model II, III FOR SALE (kurt schrader) 12. 09:20 AM - Re: 582 Cooling (Don Smythe) 13. 10:53 AM - Re: Kitfox tanks and blended ethanol (Michel Verheughe) 14. 12:09 PM - 92 octane super unleaded fuel (Mnflyer) 15. 12:10 PM - Re: Auto Fuel (Mnflyer) 16. 12:20 PM - Re: Re: Pedal torque tube bushings? Question? (Guy Buchanan) 17. 12:40 PM - Re: Kitfox tanks and blended ethanol (Guy Buchanan) 18. 01:06 PM - Re: Re: Pedal torque tube bushings? Question? (kurt schrader) 19. 01:27 PM - Re: Kitfox tanks and blended ethanol (kurt schrader) 20. 01:33 PM - Re: Subaru EA81, Dave Johnson redrive conversion, mount for Model II, III FOR SALE (wingsdown) 21. 01:33 PM - KITFOX PARTS AND OTHER AIRCRAFT PARTS FOR SALE UPDATE: (wingsdown) 22. 01:43 PM - Re: Kitfox tanks and blended ethanol (PWilson) 23. 02:00 PM - Re: Auto Fuel (flier) 24. 02:05 PM - Epoxy coating. WAS: Kitfox tanks and blended ethanol (Michel Verheughe) 25. 02:58 PM - Re: Pedal torque tube bushings? Question? (Dave and Diane) 26. 04:51 PM - Re: KITFOX PARTS AND OTHER AIRCRAFT PARTS FOR SALE UPDATE: (Aerobatics@aol.com) 27. 05:18 PM - Re: Pedal torque tube bushings? Question? (darinh) 28. 05:18 PM - Re: Re: Pedal torque tube bushings? Question? (Lowell Fitt) 29. 05:36 PM - Re: Epoxy coating. WAS: Kitfox tanks and blended ethanol (Lowell Fitt) 30. 05:40 PM - Re: Annual Cameron Park Kitfox Fly-in (Lowell Fitt) 31. 05:51 PM - Re: Kitfox tanks and blended ethanol (Don Smythe) 32. 06:04 PM - Re: Epoxy coating. WAS: Kitfox tanks and blended ethanol (Don Smythe) 33. 06:20 PM - Re: Re:Rotax carb sockets (Rexster) 34. 06:28 PM - Re: Re:Rotax carb sockets (Rexster) 35. 07:59 PM - Re: Re:Rotax carb sockets (Rob Stapleton) 36. 08:48 PM - Re: Annual Cameron Park Kitfox Fly-in (Lowell Fitt) 37. 11:03 PM - Re: Subaru EA81, Dave Johnson redrive conversion, mount for Model II, III FOR SALE (kurt schrader) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:12:15 AM PST US From: "David Steade" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Pedal torque tube bushings? Question? --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Steade" Darin This is a common problem. Most people I know reduce the bushing = diameter. Also you may have to shim the brackets where they bolt to the = fuselage to make sure they are square to the pedal tubes. I don't think = it is a good idea to allow rotation on the bolt. Regards David ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:14:32 AM PST US From: "Dave" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 582 wiring --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" Hi jeff. Brown == ground Grey = Tach you right on yellow and 3 yellow/ bl - 2 for grounding 2 for regulator/rectifier. And yes is a combination rectifier/ voltage regulator. Schematics here http://www.ultralightnews.ca//ducati/index.html Red off regulator is the + and should be keyed to the battery . Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dill Family" Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2006 8:37 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: 582 wiring > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dill Family" > > > I want to trace out the wiring on my used M2 with 582 before I fly it. I = > looked for a few minutes in the archives for a schematic. None was = > found, however some insight was provided in "Rotax Charging" dated = > 4/18/20006. I gather that I will find a grey wire which goes to the = > tach. Then there is a yellow and a yellow/black wire which come from the = > stator. Not to be confused with the black/yellow shorting wires. Forgive = > me. At this point I am not even sure about the major components. What is = > the stator and what gadgets perform the duties of magneto and alternator = > on this engine?=20 > > Looking at the engine, I have one yellow, one brown, one grey, and three = > combination yellow/black (two of which are presumably shorting wires). = > Any further explanation would be appreciated.=20 > > I have what is probably a regulator mounted on my firewall, with two = > yellow input, black ground and a red output that disappears into my = > starter switch. Is it a rectifier too? Why two inputs? One of the yellow = > wires is connected to the yellow wire from the engine, the other is = > connected to one of the yellow/black combinations. (If the other two = > yellow/blacks are for magneto grounding, I guess that names all three). = > Am I homing in on the right answers? What is the brown wire for?=20 > Does anybody have a link to a schematic? > > Jeff Dill, M2 > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:25:04 AM PST US From: "Bruce Harrison" Subject: Kitfox-List: Subaru EA81, Dave Johnson redrive conversion, mount for Model II, III FOR SALE --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrison" I recently sold my Model III project to an owner who already had a powerplant, so the Subaru conversion approximately 75% complete is up for sale. This should really jumpstart anyone out there who plans to install a Subaru conversion and can't ante up the big dollars for a complete factory built unit. I purchased this project as part of a Kitfox airframe that was 85% completed. Due to job changes I was not able to complete either the airplane or the engine. Here are the details on the engine: Custom built, high-output EA-81 Subaru engine with Dave Johnson re-drive and engine mount. Includes Holley single-barrel carb, some cooling system parts, complete Stewart-Warner gauges, EGT, water temp, ammeter, others, spare oil filter, alternator. Detailed digital pics available. Extra parts, a spare core Subaru engine, builders manuals, documentation. This is a loaded package for the builder who wants to fly behind an engine assembled with great workmanship. Engine project requires some parts for completion--estimate 75% finished. Features: 1980 vintage engine with 40K original miles, stripped down and built back up with cylinders bored .030 oversize, new factory pistons, performance rings, all-new engine bearings. Crankshaft machined and polished, then balanced. Brand new high volume oil pump for constant 60 psi cold/50 psi hot. High performance grind camshaft, brand new cam followers. Finished engine should develop 110 hp. Requires radiator and exhaust. Dave Johnson redrive and powder-coated engine mount. 1.94 : 1 reduction ratio. Designed to give 2800 rpm at the prop at full throttle. SAE #1 prop hub from machined aluminum. Contact me off-list for a full list of parts included and photos of everything. Thanks! The engine is listed on www.barnstormers.com with a few pictures, so check it out. I have lots of other pictures available. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:07:40 AM PST US From: "Don Smythe" Subject: Kitfox-List: 582 Cooling --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" http://www.tsb.gc.ca/en/reports/air/1994/a94q0003/a94q0003.asp Here is an interesting write up of a 582 crash that I've never read = before. It talks about excessive cooling due to an installed bigger = radiator and cold OAT's. Also talks about the 11 degree "Rotax" spec of = the input/output temp differential's that nobody ever talks about much. = When I did my latest mods, I temporarily hooked up my two CHT probes to = the aluminum tubes for the input/output of the radiator and insulated = them. Now when flying, I can observe the difference of the = input/output. I didn't get too much testing on this but did find that = the 11 degree tolerance is getting pushed to the limit. The use of the = dual radiator vanes does make a difference in these temps. Just a thought Don Smythe ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:07:40 AM PST US From: "Don Smythe" Subject: Kitfox-List: 582 Cooling --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" http://www.tsb.gc.ca/en/reports/air/1994/a94q0003/a94q0003.asp Here is an interesting write up of a 582 crash that I've never read = before. It talks about excessive cooling due to an installed bigger = radiator and cold OAT's. Also talks about the 11 degree "Rotax" spec of = the input/output temp differential's that nobody ever talks about much. = When I did my latest mods, I temporarily hooked up my two CHT probes to = the aluminum tubes for the input/output of the radiator and insulated = them. Now when flying, I can observe the difference of the = input/output. I didn't get too much testing on this but did find that = the 11 degree tolerance is getting pushed to the limit. The use of the = dual radiator vanes does make a difference in these temps. Just a thought Don Smythe ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:43:26 AM PST US From: "Clem Nichols" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 582 Cooling --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clem Nichols" Don: Excellent posting. Clem Nichols ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Smythe" Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2006 7:05 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: 582 Cooling > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" > > http://www.tsb.gc.ca/en/reports/air/1994/a94q0003/a94q0003.asp > > Here is an interesting write up of a 582 crash that I've never read = > before. It talks about excessive cooling due to an installed bigger = > radiator and cold OAT's. Also talks about the 11 degree "Rotax" spec of = > the input/output temp differential's that nobody ever talks about much. = > When I did my latest mods, I temporarily hooked up my two CHT probes to = > the aluminum tubes for the input/output of the radiator and insulated = > them. Now when flying, I can observe the difference of the = > input/output. I didn't get too much testing on this but did find that = > the 11 degree tolerance is getting pushed to the limit. The use of the = > dual radiator vanes does make a difference in these temps. > > Just a thought > Don Smythe > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:57:07 AM PST US From: Aerobatics@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 582 Cooling 1994 this was a pre blue head version I assume --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Aerobatics@aol.com ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:18:20 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Pedal torque tube bushings? Question? From: "darinh" --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "darinh" Ok, thanks for the remarks. I definately don't want the "I should have" scenario so I will go with the application as outlined in the manual. I have already removed a bit of bushing by sanding in a press so a little more shouldn't be a problem. It is that alignment thing that I don't want to deal with but... Thanks guys, Darin Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=36946#36946 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:21:29 AM PST US From: "Dave" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 582 Cooling --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" Hi Don, I have read that one before. So what is the moral of story do you figure? I know one thing 180 F is better than 140 in cruise. Once i get over 10k ASL under full power it hard to maintain much over 140F . The Blue head 582 has a bypass which might keep the engine warmer and not subject to the sudden rush of cool coolant that comes from the rad when the thermostat opens at 136F . I do think that most thermostats in 582s are about 135 F so watch you gauge onstart up and you will see it go to that area then thermostat opens and it drops to say 125 to 130 then goes up again. I find it will do this several times on warm up. Hopefully this gives us an indication that the gauge is fairly accuarete at that level. Cold Seizures are bad news and alot of them can be prevented by education of the cooliong system. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Smythe" Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2006 8:05 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: 582 Cooling > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" > > http://www.tsb.gc.ca/en/reports/air/1994/a94q0003/a94q0003.asp > > Here is an interesting write up of a 582 crash that I've never read = > before. It talks about excessive cooling due to an installed bigger = > radiator and cold OAT's. Also talks about the 11 degree "Rotax" spec of = > the input/output temp differential's that nobody ever talks about much. = > When I did my latest mods, I temporarily hooked up my two CHT probes to = > the aluminum tubes for the input/output of the radiator and insulated = > them. Now when flying, I can observe the difference of the = > input/output. I didn't get too much testing on this but did find that = > the 11 degree tolerance is getting pushed to the limit. The use of the = > dual radiator vanes does make a difference in these temps. > > Just a thought > Don Smythe > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:36:43 AM PST US From: kurt schrader Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Pedal torque tube bushings? Question? --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader darin, I agree with David that shimming will fix the alignment problem. I shimmed the pedals and had to shim the stick controls too in order to reduce bearing binding. You won't later regret smooth controls that you are confident in. :-) Kurt S. --- David Steade wrote: > Darin > > This is a common problem. Most people I know reduce > the bushing = > diameter. Also you may have to shim the brackets > where they bolt to the = > fuselage to make sure they are square to the pedal > tubes. I don't think = > it is a good idea to allow rotation on the bolt. > > Regards > > David __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:57:02 AM PST US From: kurt schrader Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Subaru EA81, Dave Johnson redrive conversion, mount for Model II, III FOR SALE --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader Hi Bruce, Can I ask you where I can find one of those high volume oil pumps for my Soob? My pressure is about 10 psi lower than I would like. Kurt S. __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:20:28 AM PST US From: "Don Smythe" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 582 Cooling --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" Dave, I think the moral of the story is to design a cooling system that will operate at a constant 165 degrees (< 11 deg differential) in all weather and flight conditions. I might add that all things are possible. Don Smythe ----- Original Message ----- > I have read that one before. So what is the moral of story do you figure? ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:53:05 AM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox tanks and blended ethanol --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe On May 26, 2006, at 11:47 PM, Don Smythe wrote: > When I had the tanks cut open Wow, you really did a thorough job, Don! On May 27, 2006, at 12:49 AM, PWilson wrote: > The epoxy resin is much harder to use > than a sloshing liquid. Are you sure, Paul? Isn't it possible to "slosh" the tanks with West System epoxy? If you use very little catalyser and turn the tank in all direction long enough? My experience with West System is that, if it gets time to do it, it will really flow everywhere, only leaving a very thin layer of resin. West System is a special type of epoxy, primarily designed for building yachts in wood veneer bounded in epoxy. The very low viscosity of the epoxy makes it to impregnate the wood and creates an extremely solid bound. I don't know but I think one could slosh West System epoxy. What do you think? Cheers, Michel ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:09:02 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: 92 octane super unleaded fuel From: "Mnflyer" --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Mnflyer" Yep I've been using Super unleaded 91 /92 no oxygenate for years, get mine a the local Amoco/BP station. -------- GB MNFlyer Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=36991#36991 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:10:29 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Auto Fuel From: "Mnflyer" --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Mnflyer" Yep I've been using Super unleaded 92 octane from the local Amoco/BP station for years, no alcholol no oxygenate, just good gas. -------- GB MNFlyer Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=36992#36992 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:20:00 PM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Pedal torque tube bushings? Question? --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan At 07:53 PM 5/27/2006, you wrote: >Do you see anything wrong with having the bushing and torque tube rotate >as one around the bolt as with a typical bolt/bearing combination? I don't like it, as the bearing area and therefore wear area is much smaller. Your bushings will wear much faster. Now if you really wanted to do it right, you could replace the bushings with sealed ball bearings. I'll bet you could find some that fit. You must also use a castle/cotter combo on anything that rotates directly on the bolt. (AC 43-13) > Guy Buchanan K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 12:40:55 PM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox tanks and blended ethanol --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan At 10:49 AM 5/28/2006, you wrote: >Are you sure, Paul? Isn't it possible to "slosh" the tanks with West >System epoxy? If you use very little catalyser and turn the tank in all >direction long enough? I think you're very optimistic, Michel. First of all, you can't vary the catalyst with epoxy, but you can slightly thin some epoxies with acetone. Saying West epoxy has low viscosity is strictly a relative term. Yes it has lower viscosity than other epoxies but it's definitely not going to be wicking into any pin-holes. The best you could hope for is that it would successfully bridge the pin-holes with a thick enough layer of epoxy to seal the tank. Unfortunately my experience with pin-holes on the outside of overly dry laminates is that for some reason, (high surface tension probably,) epoxy doesn't like to bridge pin-holes, rather it exacerbates them. If you really wanted to fill pin-holes, you'd slosh with thin cyanoacrylate. That stuff wicks like crazy. (We use it to do emergency repairs of dinged laminates. It wicks right in and seals the damage, preventing water ingress.) Unfortunately I don't know if it's fuel resistant, and the fumes would probably kill you!. On another note, the fiberglass tank industry does coat the inside of their tanks with something. I'll try to find out what. Guy Buchanan K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:06:51 PM PST US From: kurt schrader Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Pedal torque tube bushings? Question? --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader Guy is right! Ball bearings are the way to go for top rated controls. Just depends upon how good you want it. Makes me think of John King's planes, Rick's Soob engine (I should have bought), or a new KitFox company in the right hands.... I am convinced there are people here that could team up and make a flying carpet company. "DreamFox"? Guy's controls. Don S. for safety, Torgier for research... we got them all here. I can dream too..... :-) I wonder what the Extra 300 uses? Unless you have felt the controls on one of those, you don't know what you are missing. Talk about smmmoooooth.... Probably ball bearings throughout. Best I have ever felt anyway. Kurt S. --- Guy Buchanan wrote: > ............. Now if you really wanted > to do it right, you could replace the bushings with > sealed ball bearings. > I'll bet you could find some that fit. > You must also use a castle/cotter combo on > anything that rotates directly on the bolt. (AC 43-13) > > > Guy Buchanan > K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob > Ducar. __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 01:27:56 PM PST US From: kurt schrader Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox tanks and blended ethanol --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader Guy, Would that stuff slosh before it hardens? I thought even the slow stuff gets stiff fast. At least the stuff in hobby shops. My sloshed tanks are doing fine for now, but I expect to have to "maintain" them sooner or later. Kurt S. --- Guy Buchanan wrote: > .....If you really wanted to fill pin-holes, you'd > slosh with thin cyanoacrylate. __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 01:33:06 PM PST US From: "wingsdown" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Subaru EA81, Dave Johnson redrive conversion, mount for Model II, III FOR SALE --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingsdown" Kurt, What pressure are you seeing and at what temp? Are you using a semi-synthetic. I had great results with Castrol 20-50 Semi synthetic. Rick -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kurt schrader Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2006 8:56 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Subaru EA81, Dave Johnson redrive conversion, mount for Model II, III FOR SALE --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader --> Hi Bruce, Can I ask you where I can find one of those high volume oil pumps for my Soob? My pressure is about 10 psi lower than I would like. Kurt S. __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 01:33:54 PM PST US From: "wingsdown" Subject: Kitfox-List: KITFOX PARTS AND OTHER AIRCRAFT PARTS FOR SALE UPDATE: --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingsdown" -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of wingsdown Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 2:28 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: KITFOX PARTS AND OTHER AIRCRAFT PARTS FOR SALE UPDATE: --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingsdown" KITFOX PARTS AND OTHER AIRCRAFT PARTS FOR SALE UPDATE: Just listed on Ebay wings and such under kitfox.................starting bid is $1.00 (SOLD) Also just listed on Ebay flight gear bag and accessories under flight bag............. (SOLD) Custom air oil separators as seen on sportflight pic post $150.00 each...................... CAP 140 complete hub assembly for NSI redrive, may fit others, no blades $1,500 OBO............. E.I digital EGT instrument, no probe $180 each or both for $300.00.................... Hand held radio Yaesu VXA-200. This was there top of the line model and should be compared to same now, has altitude,density altitude,pressure alt. Temp, VOR heading plus extra Nmhi battery and programming software and cable, list was over $600.00 sell for $350.00.................... COM/nav antenna model VHF5-1 by AAE thin flat composite style list $125 sell for $85.00.................. Intercom by PS Engineering model PM1000II with digital cockpit record option $300.00.................. Electric clock model MD-90 $60.00..................... Turtle deck with smoke grey lexan, has scratch in glass 150.00 if you do a pick up I have material for replacement...... Electric servo/ jack screw assembly $500.00 OBO.................. Wheel pant left side only painted ready to mount or repaint $50.00............ Rudder $300.00.............. Elevator $225.00.............. VDO gages: 2 1/8 tack , water temp,oil pressure, boost, large RPM 3 1/8 maybe 1/4, EGT make offer.............. Cargo bay bag with aluminum custom fit bottom, no sagging. $95.00 ......................... Left long wing, moderate damage pick up only, $1,500.00.................... Right long wing major tip damage , $750.00................ Lift struts, pair, faired $600.00 pick up only................ Horizontal Stabilator faired strut braces pair $100.00................. Custom super trapp exhaust system. Will require the welding of a 3 bolt flange to exhaust down pipe. $300.00 Pics on request.................... EA-81 turbo engine parts, blocks, engine mounts left and right, cranks, rods, push rods, heads, cams, open price to be set, accepting offers................ NSI alternator pulley New $60.00....................... SS flight controls all factory parts available in excellent condition.................... Strut end farings. These go at the top of the strus for less drag. $60.00 for the complete set never installed.....SOLD Carbon monoxide by coguardian. Plugs into lighter socket audible plus digital level indicator. They have a web site. $99.00 ............... Bendix/King fin type transponder antenna with ground plane plate $50.00..................... Airborne vacuum regulator valve model 2H3-23 #9AK FAA PMA list $728.00 in ACS catalog make offer.................. Airborne filter mount with filter best offer............. Wood pistol grips modified one short on passenger PIC side regularl length with PTTs $50.00 both.................. Mr. Funnel large for water seperation funnel filling of fuel $20.00............... Remote PTT $5.00 with other purchse.............. Cessna dual vacuume gage with pop up no vac indicators can be used on single system PN C668519-0101 $35.00............ Tire or tyre front Aero classic 11X4.00-5 8ply with new tube $40.00...................... Cockpit light with flood or spot adjustment (model S1990) with red or white light adjustment, with dim bright adjustment manufactured by soderberg $55.00....................... Landing light pulse unit. This is a CODE 3 unit model 700 which will pulse or run steady, switch able $30.00. Beats the heck out of STC units........... Thanks so much Rick ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 01:43:33 PM PST US From: PWilson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox tanks and blended ethanol --> Kitfox-List message posted by: PWilson I never tried it. I just believe that Don's process is what would be necessary. I believe it would be worthwhile to try it. My experience with the West system was pretty viscous final product. I am not very experienced with epoxy and thought one had to use the recommended ratios when mixing. Paul ========================= At 11:49 AM 5/28/2006, you wrote: >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe > >On May 26, 2006, at 11:47 PM, Don Smythe wrote: > > When I had the tanks cut open > >Wow, you really did a thorough job, Don! > >On May 27, 2006, at 12:49 AM, PWilson wrote: > > The epoxy resin is much harder to use > > than a sloshing liquid. > >Are you sure, Paul? Isn't it possible to "slosh" the tanks with West >System epoxy? If you use very little catalyser and turn the tank in all >direction long enough? My experience with West System is that, if it >gets time to do it, it will really flow everywhere, only leaving a very >thin layer of resin. >West System is a special type of epoxy, primarily designed for building >yachts in wood veneer bounded in epoxy. The very low viscosity of the >epoxy makes it to impregnate the wood and creates an extremely solid >bound. > >I don't know but I think one could slosh West System epoxy. What do you >think? > >Cheers, >Michel > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 02:00:05 PM PST US From: "flier" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Auto Fuel --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" The federal law to implement ethanol as opposed to MTBE will likely change that, right? As far as I understand, there won't be any MTBE left due to the congressional mandate... -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Zimmermans Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2006 9:01 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Auto Fuel --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Zimmermans" Here in Minnesota we have 10% ethanol. The street rodders went to the = legislature and got an exemption for old cars, rods and boats or any = recreational toy. It is available at a lot of stations. This might be = worth trying before all your mo gas has ethanol. ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 02:05:47 PM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: Kitfox-List: Epoxy coating. WAS: Kitfox tanks and blended ethanol --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe Thank you for your answers, Paul and Guy. Yes, the actual mixing of the two components should be changed, at least, not much. My experience with Epoxy is that temperature is also factor of hardening time. When I moulded my cowling, I was working in a rather cool room, in my cellar. When finished, I would move the part to a more heated room. It worked fine. But, to settle the matter, I wrote to West Systems and ask their opinion. It's worth the try, isn't it? And the worse that can happen is to get a negative answer. Of course, I'll publish their answer to the list, as soon as received. Cheers, Michel do not archive ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 02:58:16 PM PST US From: Dave and Diane Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Pedal torque tube bushings? Question? --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dave and Diane Darin, I also have a model 7 and found out that everything worked out perfectly on the rudder pedal torque tube mounting doing a couple things: 1) Inside the torque tube ends to the lenght of the bushing insertion, make sure that there is no paint, lumps of any other kind present and that the inside of the torque tube ends are perfectly round and smooth - I finished off this task by putting a folded strip of 240 grit wet/dry sandpaper onto a split dowel (cut lenghtwise with a bandsaw about an inch) then used a drill on the dowel to polish up the inside of the torque tubes. 2) Thereafter, chuck the bushings in a drill press and work them down till they fit the torque tubes nicely. Be sure that the bushing is worked down evenly (no grooves or taper) - backing up a piece of fine sandpaper with a flat stick works, also touching up with a straight cut file with the bushing spinning works too. An inside/outside micrometer will help a person gauge how much material is being removed so you don't go too far. In 1) & 2) above - finish off with 400 grit wet/dry sandpaper - the finer finish leaves much less friction. End result - very smooth operation, close tolerances and no binding. I think lubrication is a good idea, but primarily for corrosion prevention on the inside of the torque tube. The bushing is not supposed to rotate on the bolt, the torque tubes should rotate on the bushing. Dave S St Paul, MN On Saturday 27 May 2006 8:02 pm, darinh wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "darinh" > > I am assembling my rudder pedals on my series 7 and the torque tube > bushings are bolted to the brackets and torqued to 35-40 in-lb. This holds ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 04:51:34 PM PST US From: Aerobatics@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: KITFOX PARTS AND OTHER AIRCRAFT PARTS FOR SALE UPDATE: --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Aerobatics@aol.com Might be interested in radio, but first place I looked for a net price it was 369 brand new.... if will to move let me know... Dave _Handheld Radios and Trancevers at Ace's Pilot Shop_ (http://www.acespilotshop.com/pilot-supplies/handheld/radios.htm) ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 05:18:34 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Pedal torque tube bushings? Question? From: "darinh" --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "darinh" Well, I reworked the pedals and now they are smooth and rotate on the bushing. I used a similar method to what Dave S. described. The controls are smooth but the ball bearings would be a great addition. I think I may look into this option as I have a bearing supply house close. A nice press fit on the bearings with some loctite and those pedals would be like butter! Anyway, thanks for the input...It is great to know when I have a question I can have it answered right here from someone (a bunch of people in most cases) who has "been there, done that". Now on to the next item of business, the rudder and then wings. Darin Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=37037#37037 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 05:18:34 PM PST US From: "Lowell Fitt" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Pedal torque tube bushings? Question? --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" I put ball and needle bearings in my camera mount system replacing Delrin and got a significant improvement in smoothness. One thing I noticed is that with the delrin bushings, if the systam was left in a set position for any time, any lubrication was squeezed out of the pivot and the first movement was a pop or jerk then smooth movement as the lube took over. Actually the reason for the post is the bearing source I found - good service, any quantity and they deal with people like us - hobbyists. http://www.bocabearings.com/ Lowell ----- Original Message ----- From: "kurt schrader" Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2006 1:05 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Pedal torque tube bushings? Question? > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader > > > Guy is right! Ball bearings are the way to go for top > rated controls. Just depends upon how good you want > it. > > Makes me think of John King's planes, Rick's Soob > engine (I should have bought), or a new KitFox company > in the right hands.... I am convinced there are > people here that could team up and make a flying > carpet company. "DreamFox"? Guy's controls. Don S. > for safety, Torgier for research... we got them all > here. > > I can dream too..... :-) > > I wonder what the Extra 300 uses? Unless you have > felt the controls on one of those, you don't know what > you are missing. Talk about smmmoooooth.... Probably > ball bearings throughout. Best I have ever felt > anyway. > > Kurt S. > > --- Guy Buchanan wrote: > >> ............. Now if you really wanted >> to do it right, you could replace the bushings with >> sealed ball bearings. > >> I'll bet you could find some that fit. >> You must also use a castle/cotter combo on >> anything that rotates directly on the bolt. (AC > 43-13) >> > >> Guy Buchanan >> K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob >> Ducar. > > __________________________________________________ > > > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 05:36:55 PM PST US From: "Lowell Fitt" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Epoxy coating. WAS: Kitfox tanks and blended ethanol --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" A caution here on modifying the resin / catalyst ratio. Most data sheets will give the ratios to a digit i.e. 22:100 etc. Regarding the West Systems, because of Don's experience and recommendation, I went to the nearby West Marine outlet and talked to one of the guys there about using thier resin for a fuel resistant coating. He either couldn't or wouldn't answer my question only talking about the foolishness of using epoxy / glass for a fuel tank. Needless to say, I walked. I am all ears to hear what Michel finds out and if it is authoritative. I am still looking for the best fuel proof coating for my project. Lowell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michel Verheughe" Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2006 2:04 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Epoxy coating. WAS: Kitfox tanks and blended ethanol > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe > > Thank you for your answers, Paul and Guy. Yes, the actual mixing of the > two components should be changed, at least, not much. My experience > with Epoxy is that temperature is also factor of hardening time. When I > moulded my cowling, I was working in a rather cool room, in my cellar. > When finished, I would move the part to a more heated room. It worked > fine. > > But, to settle the matter, I wrote to West Systems and ask their > opinion. It's worth the try, isn't it? And the worse that can happen is > to get a negative answer. Of course, I'll publish their answer to the > list, as soon as received. > > Cheers, > Michel > > do not archive > > > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 05:40:22 PM PST US From: "Lowell Fitt" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Annual Cameron Park Kitfox Fly-in --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" Thomas, I know this is short notice, but we decided to do the Cameron Park Fly-in at least one more time. June 10th. www.cameronparkkitfox.com Lowell ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 05:51:11 PM PST US From: "Don Smythe" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox tanks and blended ethanol --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" > Wow, you really did a thorough job, Don! One thing I have learned in this Kit building process is that, "for every action there is a reaction" that we didn't consider or even think about. In other words, only time will tell if I did the right thing. I might be posting tomorrow that my tanks fell apart???? > Are you sure, Paul? Isn't it possible to "slosh" the tanks with West > System epoxy? If you use very little catalyser and turn the tank in all West System Epoxy is similar to maple syrup. There is no way you could slosh a Fox Tank with this product. Messing with the castylst ratio would only hurt the final cure of the product. > gets time to do it, it will really flow everywhere, only leaving a very > thin layer of resin. I agree but, I did not let the resin flow into any puddles for fear of it becoming brittle without fiberglass cloth to hold it together. The existing fiberglass tank had thousands of small indention from the cloth in the origional mold. I only let the fresh epoxy fill those little pits (best I could). > I don't know but I think one could slosh West System epoxy. What do you > think? Never in a million years. Don Smythe ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 06:04:34 PM PST US From: "Don Smythe" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Epoxy coating. WAS: Kitfox tanks and blended ethanol --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" > Systems, because of Don's experience and recommendation, I went to the > nearby West Marine outlet and talked to one of the guys there about using > thier resin for a fuel resistant coating. He either couldn't or wouldn't Lowell, My experience say's he wouldn't respond for liability reasons or, didn't have a clue to start with. I went to the Engineers at West (actually some other name that evades me right now). They basically agreed with my process that it would seal the tanks and give good adhesion to "whatever" epoxy/polyester the tanks were made from. So far, so good. Don Smythe ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 06:20:12 PM PST US From: "Rexster" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re:Rotax carb sockets --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rexster" Ok Guys. Here's the number of the Ski Doo sockets I've been using succes= sfully on my 912 07-105-1 Rex in Michigan, model 3 = -- Rex wrote: --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Rex Actually I count 3 of us Rex's on this list unless there are more that = are silent. Rex in Colorado M2/582 (still not flying) :-( Rexster wrote: >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rexster" > >Larry, > There's two of us Rex's on this site and you may have intended this = f=3D >or the "big pond" guy who I think is from Australia. I have a 912, so I= =3D >really don't know how sockets are going to work on your 582. I'm going = t=3D >o the airport tomorrow and will post the part numbers for the 912 socke= t=3D >s. >Rex in Michigan with the Model 3, 912 > =3D > = > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = = =

Ok Guys. Here's the number of the Ski Doo sockets I've been usi= ng successfully on my 912

07-105-1

Rex in Michigan, model 3

 



-- Rex <gypsybee@copper.net> wrote:
-= -> Kitfox-List message posted by: Rex &= lt;gypsybee@copper.net>

Actually I count 3 = ;of us Rex's on this list unless ther= e are more that 
are silent.
Rex in&= nbsp;Colorado M2/582 (still not flying)  := -(

Rexster wrote:

>--> Kitfox-List me= ssage posted by: "Rexster" <runwayrex@juno.com>= ;
>
>Larry,
>   There's two o= f us Rex's on this site and you = may have intended this f=3D
>or the = "big pond" guy who I think is from&nb= sp;Australia. I have a 912, so I =3D<= BR>>really don't know how sockets are g= oing to work on your 582. I'm going&n= bsp;t=3D
>o the airport tomorrow and will=  post the part numbers for the 912&nb= sp;socket=3D
>s.
>Rex in Michigan with t= he Model 3, 912
> =3D
>  
&= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= sp;         - The = p;Matronics List Features Navigator to browse


 
 
 



________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 06:28:26 PM PST US From: "Rexster" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re:Rotax carb sockets --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rexster" Well, Let's all meet in Oshkosh! Rex Michigan -- Rex wrote: --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Rex Actually I count 3 of us Rex's on this list unless there are more that = are silent. Rex in Colorado M2/582 (still not flying) :-( Rexster wrote: >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rexster" > >Larry, > There's two of us Rex's on this site and you may have intended this = f=3D >or the "big pond" guy who I think is from Australia. I have a 912, so I= =3D >really don't know how sockets are going to work on your 582. I'm going = t=3D >o the airport tomorrow and will post the part numbers for the 912 socke= t=3D >s. >Rex in Michigan with the Model 3, 912 > =3D > = > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = = =

Well, Let's all meet in Oshkosh!

Rex Michigan



-- Rex <gypsybee@copper.net> wrote:
-= -> Kitfox-List message posted by: Rex &= lt;gypsybee@copper.net>

Actually I count 3 = ;of us Rex's on this list unless ther= e are more that 
are silent.
Rex in&= nbsp;Colorado M2/582 (still not flying)  := -(

Rexster wrote:

>--> Kitfox-List me= ssage posted by: "Rexster" <runwayrex@juno.com>= ;
>
>Larry,
>   There's two o= f us Rex's on this site and you = may have intended this f=3D
>or the = "big pond" guy who I think is from&nb= sp;Australia. I have a 912, so I =3D<= BR>>really don't know how sockets are g= oing to work on your 582. I'm going&n= bsp;t=3D
>o the airport tomorrow and will=  post the part numbers for the 912&nb= sp;socket=3D
>s.
>Rex in Michigan with t= he Model 3, 912
> =3D
>  
&= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= sp;         - The = p;Matronics List Features Navigator to browse


 
 
 



________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 07:59:44 PM PST US From: "Rob Stapleton" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re:Rotax carb sockets --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rob Stapleton" Many of us are listening to those who are wiser builders on this list and learning. Your posts are read everyday. RS :) -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rexster Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2006 5:26 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re:Rotax carb sockets --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rexster" Well, Let's all meet in Oshkosh! Rex Michigan -- Rex wrote: --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Rex Actually I count 3 of us Rex's on this list unless there are more that = are silent. Rex in Colorado M2/582 (still not flying) :-( Rexster wrote: >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rexster" > >Larry, > There's two of us Rex's on this site and you may have intended this = f=3D >or the "big pond" guy who I think is from Australia. I have a 912, so I= =3D >really don't know how sockets are going to work on your 582. I'm going = t=3D >o the airport tomorrow and will post the part numbers for the 912 socke= t=3D >s. >Rex in Michigan with the Model 3, 912 > =3D > = > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = = =

Well, Let's all meet in Oshkosh!

Rex Michigan



-- Rex <gypsybee@copper.net> wrote:
-= -> Kitfox-List message posted by: Rex &= lt;gypsybee@copper.net>

Actually I count 3 = ;of us Rex's on this list unless ther= e are more that 
are silent.
Rex in&= nbsp;Colorado M2/582 (still not flying)  := -(

Rexster wrote:

>--> Kitfox-List me= ssage posted by: "Rexster" <runwayrex@juno.com>= ;
>
>Larry,
>   There's two o= f us Rex's on this site and you = may have intended this f=3D
>or the = "big pond" guy who I think is from&nb= sp;Australia. I have a 912, so I =3D<= BR>>really don't know how sockets are g= oing to work on your 582. I'm going&n= bsp;t=3D
>o the airport tomorrow and will=  post the part numbers for the 912&nb= sp;socket=3D
>s.
>Rex in Michigan with t= he Model 3, 912
> =3D
>  
&= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= sp;         - The = p;Matronics List Features Navigator to browse


 
 
 



________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 08:48:06 PM PST US From: "Lowell Fitt" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Annual Cameron Park Kitfox Fly-in --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" The attached message was intended to go to Thomas Lee direct. I guess I don't have his e-mail address but suspect he still lurks on the list. For everyone else, Kay and I are busy getting all in order for the annual party and hope all that can will come. It will be a good opportunity for those that have not yet had the opportunity to meet John and Debra McBean the new owners of Kitfox. http://www.cameronparkkitfox.com Lowell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lowell Fitt" Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2006 5:38 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Annual Cameron Park Kitfox Fly-in > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" > > Thomas, > > I know this is short notice, but we decided to do the Cameron Park Fly-in > at > least one more time. June 10th. www.cameronparkkitfox.com > > Lowell > > > ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 11:03:15 PM PST US From: kurt schrader Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Subaru EA81, Dave Johnson redrive conversion, mount for Model II, III FOR SALE --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader Rick, I am using non-synthetic Castrol 20W50. OK temps on the last flight of around 190-195, but 40-50 psi. More around 40. I usually see a good 50. This last few months the pressure has dropped and been variable, but no leaks? I bought some aviation 100 weight (from Sams Club in FL) to try out. Have you used this? If it gets hotter than this flight I can not pull to idle and keep the pressure above 30 psi. That is what I worry most about, idle pressure for landing. I have seen it go to 20 on rollout, so I keep the rpm up. I know there is very little force on the bearings at idle, but I want to keep that front bearing out of trouble. I wish it had roller bearings on the crank. Kurt S. --- wingsdown wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingsdown" > > > Kurt, > > What pressure are you seeing and at what temp? Are > you using a > semi-synthetic. I had great results with Castrol > 20-50 Semi synthetic. > > Rick __________________________________________________