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1. 01:02 AM - Re: Re: West System Epoxy answer (John Anderson)
2. 01:38 AM - Re: Re: West System Epoxy answerWest System Epoxy answer (Rex Shaw)
3. 01:58 AM - SV: West System Epoxy answer (Michel Verheughe)
4. 03:43 AM - Re: Re: West System Epoxy answerWest System Epoxy answer (Dave G.)
5. 04:00 AM - Aternative tanks. WAS:West System Epoxy answer (Michel Verheughe)
6. 04:39 AM - Re: fuel tanks (Don Smythe)
7. 04:50 AM - Re: Re: West System Epoxy answer (Don Smythe)
8. 06:39 AM - Re: kitfox iv owners manual (Jimmie Blackwell)
9. 07:06 AM - Re: kitfox iv builders manual (jdmcbean)
10. 07:43 AM - Re: Re: West System Epoxy answer (Mike Chaney)
11. 08:28 AM - Any CFI with Kitfox in Illinois or Indiana? (Anliker, Mark)
12. 08:48 AM - Re: Re: West System Epoxy answer (Black Cat)
13. 09:10 AM - Re: Any CFI with Kitfox in Illinois or Indiana? (Ron Liebmann)
14. 09:18 AM - Re: Any CFI with Kitfox in Illinois or Indiana? (Mike Chaney)
15. 09:55 AM - Re: West System Epoxy answer (darinh)
16. 10:09 AM - 2001 Kitfox 4-1200 912ul for sale (Jay Fabian)
17. 10:25 AM - Wood Prop Advice (Michael Meyers)
18. 11:10 AM - Alternative material WAS: West System Epoxy answer (Michel Verheughe)
19. 12:30 PM - Poly tanks already made (ron schick)
20. 01:47 PM - Re: Wood Prop Advice (vft@aol.com)
21. 01:57 PM - Re: Flaperon skin thickness (icaza francisco)
22. 01:57 PM - Re: Wood Prop Advice (John Anderson)
23. 02:16 PM - Re: Wood Prop Advice (Andrew Matthaey)
24. 02:40 PM - Re: Re: West System Epoxy answer (Bradley M Webb)
25. 02:56 PM - Re: Wood Prop Advice (Rueb, Duane)
26. 02:57 PM - Re: Re: West System Epoxy answer (ron schick)
27. 03:29 PM - Re: Re: West System Epoxy answer (Bradley M Webb)
28. 03:34 PM - Re: Re: West System Epoxy answer (AMuller589@aol.com)
29. 03:34 PM - oil pressure (Bill Flick)
30. 03:49 PM - Re: Re: West System Epoxy answer (ron schick)
31. 03:57 PM - Re: Nose Wheel Shimmy (Roger McConnell)
32. 04:19 PM - Re: Re: West System Epoxy answer (kurt schrader)
33. 04:44 PM - Re: fuel tanks (kurt schrader)
34. 05:26 PM - Re: tanks and alcohol fuels (Lowell Fitt)
35. 05:26 PM - Re: Wood Prop Advice (Jim Gilliatt)
36. 05:41 PM - Re: Nose Wheel Shimmy (wingsdown)
37. 06:12 PM - Re: oil pressure (wingsdown)
38. 07:32 PM - Re: Wood Prop Advice (John Anderson)
39. 08:09 PM - Re: Wood Prop Advice (Andrew Matthaey)
40. 08:40 PM - Re: Wood Prop Advice (Steve Wilson)
41. 08:52 PM - Re: Wood Prop Advice (John Anderson)
42. 08:54 PM - Re: Wood Prop Advice (vft@aol.com)
43. 09:32 PM - Re: Nose Wheel Shimmy (jdmcbean)
44. 10:38 PM - Fuel Tanks (James Shumaker)
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| Subject: | Re: West System Epoxy answer |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson" <janderson412@hotmail.com>
Most aircraft wings flex or (helicopter) vibrate so plastic or rubber are
the way to go.~j~
From: "wingsdown" <wingsdown@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: West System Epoxy answer
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingsdown" <wingsdown@comcast.net>
There has been discussion before. I believe SS stated wing flex as an
issue. I am sure that could be over come, maybe not cheap, but better
yet why not a fuel bladder for safety sake?
Rick
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of darinh
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 4:23 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: West System Epoxy answer
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net>
Anyone looked into the cost to have an aluminum tank fabricated? I
don't know the feasability of this but it done in many other aircraft.
Darin
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| Subject: | Re: West System Epoxy answerWest System Epoxy answer |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
I'm sure I don't know the whole story but Tony Schutte that built my =
plane had previously built another one earlier and trashed it when the =
Aluminium tanks leaked in flight and he put down in tiger country. As I =
understand it there was a lot of the aluminium tanks that did this sort =
of thing and Tony threatened to sue Skystar and they gave him either a =
part or full new kit as compensation. Not sure of exact details. However =
I won't be playing with aluminium tanks but I do remember some comment =
from somewhere that the failures were due to mounting problems so I =
guess there could be answers. All I'm saying is using aluminium tanks in =
a Kitfox should be treated with caution and some research.
Rex Shaw.
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| Subject: | West System Epoxy answer |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: Don Smythe [dosmythe@cox.net]
> I guess you ruined my day.
I am sorry about that, Don. But we have to face it, in this big world of conflicting
interests, the homebuilt aviation is only a tiny drop in the ocean and not
worth being considered by our rulers. ... sometimes I wish I was an invalid
black Jewish gay woman ... :-)
Cheers,
Michel
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: West System Epoxy answerWest System Epoxy answer |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
Looks to me like there would be a buck or two in blow molded polyethylene
tanks.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rex Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 10:09 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: West System Epoxy answerWest System Epoxy
answer
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
>
> I'm sure I don't know the whole story but Tony Schutte that built my =
> plane had previously built another one earlier and trashed it when the =
> Aluminium tanks leaked in flight and he put down in tiger country. As I =
> understand it there was a lot of the aluminium tanks that did this sort =
> of thing and Tony threatened to sue Skystar and they gave him either a =
> part or full new kit as compensation. Not sure of exact details. However =
> I won't be playing with aluminium tanks but I do remember some comment =
> from somewhere that the failures were due to mounting problems so I =
> guess there could be answers. All I'm saying is using aluminium tanks in =
> a Kitfox should be treated with caution and some research.
> Rex Shaw.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Aternative tanks. WAS:West System Epoxy answer |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: Dave G. [occom@ns.sympatico.ca]
> Looks to me like there would be a buck or two in blow molded polyethylene
> tanks.
It certainly does, Dave. However, from this thermoplastic experience I have in
dinghy construction, it requires to build first a mould out of aluminium cast.
And that is a very expensive job that can only be considered if many tanks are
produced. The question is then: How many tanks can be sold?
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
Mark,
At the most I would consider filling the tanks then draining through a
separate filter then reuse the same fuel. From my experience and what I've
heard from others, you can expect to get some crud in the filters for the
first few tanks of fuel. I would make sure I have filters for each wing and
one final filter before the carbs. Inspect/replace/clean frequently during
the early stages of flying.
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Thompson" <kr2@earthlink.net>
question .should I flush my fuel tanks since the plane has been sitting
since last august with little to no fuel in it and if so ,is there a product
out that will do the job or should I just run some new avgas through it and
not worry.
>
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| Subject: | Re: West System Epoxy answer |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
I think finding an alternate material is much better than relying on
coatings and sloshes. However retrofitting a new tank into a completed
aircraft is a pretty big job and messy. Another possible option is to use
our existing tanks with a rubber (whatever) bladder. One might be able to
cut a hole in top of the existing tank (say, 1'X1') to gain access and
remove all the existing baffles. Use the same hole to install a bladder.
Finish up with a new cover screwed on top to hide the hole. Just a wild
thought without much thinking? This might be the best, least expensive,
easiest, modification.
Are there any bladder companies that can make custom fit products?
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
> There was a fellow in Klammath falls Oregon who made Poly tanks for the
> undercambered wings. It was a limited run and may be
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| Subject: | Re: kitfox iv owners manual |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jimmie Blackwell <jimmieblackwell@sbcglobal.net>
Mark
Are you looking for the Owner's manual and Pilot Operating Handbook or the Construction
manual?
I will try to help you out either way. If what you need is the Owner's manual
and Pilot operating handbook I can scan and send to you on line if you have
high speed internet. If you need the Constuction manual I will need to copy it
and send to you via ground transportation.
Please let me know and we will get you taken care of one way or the other.
Jimmie
Mark Thompson <kr2@earthlink.net> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Mark Thompson"
Hi Guys ,I am trying to find a builders/owners manual for my Classic iv,I was hoping
that someone might be able to copy their manual for me.
I can pay a reasonable fee,I am so close to getting my bird airborne,But I dont
have the owners manual to do a final check on my systems,anyways ...Thanks for
any help in this matter.
Sincerely Mark Thomson.......N61AC
Mark Thompson
kr2@earthlink.net
EarthLink Revolves Around You.
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| Subject: | kitfox iv builders manual |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Mark,
Let us know what you need.. Builders manual or POH.. I'm sure we can help.
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Mark Thompson
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 10:20 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: kitfox iv builders manual
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Mark Thompson" <kr2@earthlink.net>
Hi All,I am in need of a owners/builders manual for my model iv classic and
hoping that I might be able to talk someone into making a copy for me from
your manual?I will pay any reasonable amount $
Thanks in advance........
Sincerely Mark
Thomson....N61AC
Mark Thompson
kr2@earthlink.net
EarthLink Revolves Around You.
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| Subject: | Re: West System Epoxy answer |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mike Chaney <mdps_mc@SWOCA.NET>
I was wondering why someone hasn't made a tank out of the same material that
the red plastic gas cans are made from. I have a number of these plastic
cans at home and they seem to last forever.
I know there isn't a large market for tanks that fit in a Kitfox but a
generic cylinder shaped tank could fit in just about any wing.
Mike Chaney
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Don Smythe
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 4:49 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: West System Epoxy answer
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
I think finding an alternate material is much better than relying on
coatings and sloshes. However retrofitting a new tank into a completed
aircraft is a pretty big job and messy. Another possible option is to use
our existing tanks with a rubber (whatever) bladder. One might be able to
cut a hole in top of the existing tank (say, 1'X1') to gain access and
remove all the existing baffles. Use the same hole to install a bladder.
Finish up with a new cover screwed on top to hide the hole. Just a wild
thought without much thinking? This might be the best, least expensive,
easiest, modification.
Are there any bladder companies that can make custom fit products?
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
> There was a fellow in Klammath falls Oregon who made Poly tanks for the
> undercambered wings. It was a limited run and may be
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| Subject: | Any CFI with Kitfox in Illinois or Indiana? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Anliker, Mark" <manliker@uiuc.edu>
I recently completed my Series 5 Kitfox and passed the airworthiness
inspection. Now looking to get current (BFR) and a tailwheel
endorsement. I have significant experience (about 250 hrs) in tailwheel
ultralights (Kolbs), but realize that's not "log-able". Just curious if
there are any CFI's with a Kitfox, or access to one, in Illinois or
Indiana who are willing/able to give instruction? I'd also consider
traveling further if need be.
=20
Thanks,
=20
Mark Anliker
217-898-4766
=20
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| Subject: | Re: West System Epoxy answer |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Black Cat" <blackcatmoan@hotmail.com>
Mike:
Smartest thing I've heard all week.
Sounds like the 'makings' of a small business...
Cheers,
Tony.
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mike Chaney <mdps_mc@SWOCA.NET>
>
>I was wondering why someone hasn't made a tank out of the same material
>that
>the red plastic gas cans are made from. I have a number of these plastic
>cans at home and they seem to last forever.
>
>I know there isn't a large market for tanks that fit in a Kitfox but a
>generic cylinder shaped tank could fit in just about any wing.
>
>Mike Chaney
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Don Smythe
>Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 4:49 AM
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: West System Epoxy answer
>
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
>
>I think finding an alternate material is much better than relying on
>coatings and sloshes. However retrofitting a new tank into a completed
>aircraft is a pretty big job and messy. Another possible option is to use
>our existing tanks with a rubber (whatever) bladder. One might be able to
>cut a hole in top of the existing tank (say, 1'X1') to gain access and
>remove all the existing baffles. Use the same hole to install a bladder.
>Finish up with a new cover screwed on top to hide the hole. Just a wild
>thought without much thinking? This might be the best, least expensive,
>easiest, modification.
> Are there any bladder companies that can make custom fit products?
>
>
>Don Smythe
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
>
> > There was a fellow in Klammath falls Oregon who made Poly tanks for the
> > undercambered wings. It was a limited run and may be
>
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| Subject: | Re: Any CFI with Kitfox in Illinois or Indiana? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron Liebmann" <rliebmann@comcast.net>
Hi Mark...........
I think I recall getting a call recording or e-mail from ya. Did I??? My
life has been screwed up not good lately with many things hitting me hard
but not I'm starting to get things cleared up. I had both my knees replaced
at the same time 3.5 months ago and have been healing nicely until I fell
hard on them 3 weeks ago. That really set me back but nothing broke loose.
Get back to me if there was something that I missed from you. Glad that your
"5" is done! I hope to see it this summer. I plan to fly to the SAA fly-in.
Talk soon, Ron
----- Original Message -----
From: "Anliker, Mark" <manliker@uiuc.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 10:07 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Any CFI with Kitfox in Illinois or Indiana?
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Anliker, Mark" <manliker@uiuc.edu>
>
> I recently completed my Series 5 Kitfox and passed the airworthiness
> inspection. Now looking to get current (BFR) and a tailwheel
> endorsement. I have significant experience (about 250 hrs) in tailwheel
> ultralights (Kolbs), but realize that's not "log-able". Just curious if
> there are any CFI's with a Kitfox, or access to one, in Illinois or
> Indiana who are willing/able to give instruction? I'd also consider
> traveling further if need be.
>
> =20
>
> Thanks,
>
> =20
>
> Mark Anliker
>
> 217-898-4766
>
> =20
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Any CFI with Kitfox in Illinois or Indiana? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mike Chaney <mdps_mc@SWOCA.NET>
Waynesville airport between Cincinnati and Dayton OH have a few cubs and
this is where I recieved my endorsement.
It a family run operation on a grass strip. I found them easy to work with.
Let me know if you need more info.
Mike Chaney
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Anliker,
Mark
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 8:08 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Any CFI with Kitfox in Illinois or Indiana?
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Anliker, Mark" <manliker@uiuc.edu>
I recently completed my Series 5 Kitfox and passed the airworthiness
inspection. Now looking to get current (BFR) and a tailwheel
endorsement. I have significant experience (about 250 hrs) in tailwheel
ultralights (Kolbs), but realize that's not "log-able". Just curious if
there are any CFI's with a Kitfox, or access to one, in Illinois or
Indiana who are willing/able to give instruction? I'd also consider
traveling further if need be.
=20
Thanks,
=20
Mark Anliker
217-898-4766
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| Subject: | Re: West System Epoxy answer |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net>
Ok guys, I am building my Fox now and have yet to install the tanks. I would
like to solve the problem of ethynol and the stock tanks before I build the wing
obviously. Short of dropping the $10k or more to fabricate a prototype tank
from HDLPE or other compatible material, what is the best alternative? We have
not been hit by the ethynol bug yet but I am sure it is coming and would like
to be ready when it comes.
On the other hand, as one lister wrote...this may be a good opportunity for a small
business, especially if one were to work a deal with John McBean and provide
OEM tanks for the new Kitfox...sounds interesting.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=37685#37685
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| Subject: | 2001 Kitfox 4-1200 912ul for sale |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jay Fabian" <experimental208nd@comcast.net>
Hi List,
I have my Kitfox 4 - 1200 for sale .
2001 Kitfox 4-1200 , Rotax 912 UL , 135 Hrs TTA+E, Long wings with droop =
tips, Bungee gear, Blue and White ,Starburst wings, 3-Blade Warp Drive
prop,BRS Parachute, Folding wings, MicroAir Radio, Magellan GPS, King=20
Mode-C Transponder, NAT Intercom, ELT, Whelen Wingtip Strobes, and Nav=20
lights,=20
gallons fuel capacity, LP Bubble doors, Turtledeck, and Windsheild,=20
Tundra tires, Oil Cooler, Matco Brakes, New tailwheel, and Grove=20
aluminum
tailspring, Poly fiber, poly tone paint, Speed fairings, 669 LBS Empty
weight, cabin heat.
Flies great. $32,000.
Thats the basics anyways.
Let me know if you have more questions.
Contact me off list for details, pics.
Thanks,
I am in Mass.
Jay
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| Subject: | Wood Prop Advice |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Michael Meyers" <mmeyers7167@sbcglobal.net>
Thanks to input I received from this list I have narrowed my search for =
a wood prop for my KF (Cont. 0-200 engine) to two manufactures. =
Sensenich makes a suitable model for $1085, unfortunately they have 3 =
month production backlog. Props Inc. of Newport, Oregon offers a =
similar model for $995 with a one month turn around. Has anyone had any =
experience or recommendations regarding Props Inc.?
Michael Meyers
N598BM
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| Subject: | Alternative material WAS: West System Epoxy answer |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
On May 31, 2006, at 7:36 PM, Mike Chaney wrote:
> I was wondering why someone hasn't made a tank out of the same
> material that
> the red plastic gas cans are made from. I have a number of these
> plastic
> cans at home and they seem to last forever.
I don't know, Mike, but I think that all the thermoplastics will
require a mould that is expensive to produce, and the testing to make
it even and at the right thickness.
As I wrote before, and only based on my experience with thermoplastic
dinghies built here, in Norway, the process is to cast an aluminium
mould. Then this is placed in an oven. Preferably by a company that
already has ovens about the right size for that kind of object. Then
there is a long and extensive period of trial and error, where the
"robot" that turns around the mould has to learn how to and how long so
that the result is satisfactory and passes QA. At least, that's how it
was done in the late 70s.
We could ask someone to do that for us but then we have to come with
the following: How many tanks do we need? How many different tank types
there is for all the Kitfox models? Then we hear what it would cost to
make the mould and calculate how much it will cost per tank to pay for
it.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Poly tanks already made |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
There have been poly tanks made for the early Kitfoxes. I sent a picture
to Don to post on Sportflight this morning. The last ones were sold to
Steve at Airdale by Robert Flint. Robert no longer has the mold, but Kenney
Schrader made another mold. Rocky Mountain wings may have a tank that will
work as they have the Ridgerunner. There are pics on their website in the
wing section. Anyone know if the spar spacing is correct? My virgin tanks
will see their first flight on bad gas so I hope there is a solution before
they start leaking. My temporary plan is to only use the right tank then
switch after it goes. Ron NB Oregon 541KF
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: vft@aol.com
I highly recommend Clark Lydek at Performance Propellers. He made the prop for
N24ZM. Excellent workmanship and service. His ad is usually in the back of Sport
Aviation.
Danny Melnik
F1 #25
Melbourne (FL) Rocket Factory
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From: Michael Meyers <mmeyers7167@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Wed, 31 May 2006 10:24:45 -0700
Subject: Kitfox-List: Wood Prop Advice
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Michael Meyers" <mmeyers7167@sbcglobal.net>
Thanks to input I received from this list I have narrowed my search for =
a wood prop for my KF (Cont. 0-200 engine) to two manufactures. =
Sensenich makes a suitable model for $1085, unfortunately they have 3 =
month production backlog. Props Inc. of Newport, Oregon offers a =
similar model for $995 with a one month turn around. Has anyone had any =
experience or recommendations regarding Props Inc.?
Michael Meyers
N598BM
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| Subject: | Re: Flaperon skin thickness |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: icaza francisco <franicaza@yahoo.com.mx>
Thanks Tim,
Francisco.
--- Tim Vader <vadert@telusplanet.net> escribi:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Tim Vader"
> <vadert@telusplanet.net>
>
> Francisco;
>
> In my unfortunate accident I snapped off the
> last few feet of my right
> wing. When the wing hit the ground the last three
> feet of my right flaperon
> also hit the ground and has some crinkled damage to
> the skin. The flaperon
> spar is undamaged so I will cut and remove the
> damaged skin section, replace
> the foam ribs on the spar and replace the skin
> overlapping and blind
> riveting it to the undamaged skin on the inboard
> side. That's the plan
> anyway, we'll see how it goes.
>
> Tim
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "icaza francisco" <franicaza@yahoo.com.mx>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 29, 2006 4:25 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Flaperon skin thickness
>
>
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>
> > <franicaza@yahoo.com.mx>
> >
> > Tim,
> >
> > What kind of damage does your flaperon has? How
> will
> > you repair the skin?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Francisco.
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
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>
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| Subject: | Wood Prop Advice |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson" <janderson412@hotmail.com>
Have you thought of using something simple and effective like a Warpdrive?
John A.
From: "Michael Meyers" <mmeyers7167@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Wood Prop Advice
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Michael Meyers"
<mmeyers7167@sbcglobal.net>
Thanks to input I received from this list I have narrowed my search for =
a wood prop for my KF (Cont. 0-200 engine) to two manufactures. =
Sensenich makes a suitable model for $1085, unfortunately they have 3 =
month production backlog. Props Inc. of Newport, Oregon offers a =
similar model for $995 with a one month turn around. Has anyone had any =
experience or recommendations regarding Props Inc.?
Michael Meyers
N598BM
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| Subject: | Wood Prop Advice |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey" <spaghettiohead@hotmail.com>
IMHO a good wood prop makes the Kitfox!
Andrew
do not archive
>From: "John Anderson" <janderson412@hotmail.com>
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Wood Prop Advice
>Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 08:57:16 +1200
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson"
><janderson412@hotmail.com>
>
>Have you thought of using something simple and effective like a Warpdrive?
>John A.
>
>
>From: "Michael Meyers" <mmeyers7167@sbcglobal.net>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Wood Prop Advice
>Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 10:24:45 -0700
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Michael Meyers"
><mmeyers7167@sbcglobal.net>
>
>Thanks to input I received from this list I have narrowed my search for =
>a wood prop for my KF (Cont. 0-200 engine) to two manufactures. =
>Sensenich makes a suitable model for $1085, unfortunately they have 3 =
>month production backlog. Props Inc. of Newport, Oregon offers a =
>similar model for $995 with a one month turn around. Has anyone had any =
>experience or recommendations regarding Props Inc.?
>
>Michael Meyers
>N598BM
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: West System Epoxy answer |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bradley M Webb" <bmwebb@cox.net>
Amen. Except don't limit us to the wings. I've considered a single fuselage
tank for a while now. Plenty of room behind the seat, and in the "baggage"
area. The feed problems of the wing tanks would disappear.
The only bad side is that I'm fundamentally opposed to fuel in the cabin. I
discounted the Mustang II long ago for this reason. But since in the Kitfox
you hit things at 30, as opposed to 70mph, it may be mitigated.
Wing folding and transportation becomes a non-issue, as well.
Put me in for one M2 fuselage tank, 15-20 gallon, please.
Bradley
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Chaney
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 1:37 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: West System Epoxy answer
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mike Chaney <mdps_mc@SWOCA.NET>
I was wondering why someone hasn't made a tank out of the same material that
the red plastic gas cans are made from. I have a number of these plastic
cans at home and they seem to last forever.
I know there isn't a large market for tanks that fit in a Kitfox but a
generic cylinder shaped tank could fit in just about any wing.
Mike Chaney
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Don Smythe
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 4:49 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: West System Epoxy answer
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
I think finding an alternate material is much better than relying on
coatings and sloshes. However retrofitting a new tank into a completed
aircraft is a pretty big job and messy. Another possible option is to use
our existing tanks with a rubber (whatever) bladder. One might be able to
cut a hole in top of the existing tank (say, 1'X1') to gain access and
remove all the existing baffles. Use the same hole to install a bladder.
Finish up with a new cover screwed on top to hide the hole. Just a wild
thought without much thinking? This might be the best, least expensive,
easiest, modification.
Are there any bladder companies that can make custom fit products?
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
> There was a fellow in Klammath falls Oregon who made Poly tanks for the
> undercambered wings. It was a limited run and may be
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| Subject: | Wood Prop Advice |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rueb, Duane" <ruebd@skymail.csus.edu>
I second the motion on the Clark Lydek propeller, as the current owner
of N24ZM I attest to the high quality of this "quasi constant speed"
propeller. It is made of 52 laminations of the finest northern (slow
growing) maple, is shaped to treat air very effectively, and is also a
beautiful thing to see.
Duane Rueb
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of vft@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 1:45 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wood Prop Advice
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: vft@aol.com
I highly recommend Clark Lydek at Performance Propellers. He made the
prop for N24ZM. Excellent workmanship and service. His ad is usually in
the back of Sport Aviation.
Danny Melnik
F1 #25
Melbourne (FL) Rocket Factory
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Meyers <mmeyers7167@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Wed, 31 May 2006 10:24:45 -0700
Subject: Kitfox-List: Wood Prop Advice
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Michael Meyers"
<mmeyers7167@sbcglobal.net>
Thanks to input I received from this list I have narrowed my search for
=
a wood prop for my KF (Cont. 0-200 engine) to two manufactures. =
Sensenich makes a suitable model for $1085, unfortunately they have 3 =
month production backlog. Props Inc. of Newport, Oregon offers a =
similar model for $995 with a one month turn around. Has anyone had any
=
experience or recommendations regarding Props Inc.?
Michael Meyers
N598BM
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| Subject: | Re: West System Epoxy answer |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
Bradley Walmart has some nice boat tanks for that. Ron NB Ore
>From: "Bradley M Webb" <bmwebb@cox.net>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: West System Epoxy answer
>Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 17:39:01 -0400
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bradley M Webb" <bmwebb@cox.net>
>
>Amen. Except don't limit us to the wings. I've considered a single fuselage
>tank for a while now. Plenty of room behind the seat, and in the "baggage"
>area. The feed problems of the wing tanks would disappear.
>
>The only bad side is that I'm fundamentally opposed to fuel in the cabin. I
>discounted the Mustang II long ago for this reason. But since in the Kitfox
>you hit things at 30, as opposed to 70mph, it may be mitigated.
>
>Wing folding and transportation becomes a non-issue, as well.
>
>Put me in for one M2 fuselage tank, 15-20 gallon, please.
>
>Bradley
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Chaney
>Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 1:37 PM
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: West System Epoxy answer
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mike Chaney <mdps_mc@SWOCA.NET>
>
>I was wondering why someone hasn't made a tank out of the same material
>that
>the red plastic gas cans are made from. I have a number of these plastic
>cans at home and they seem to last forever.
>
>I know there isn't a large market for tanks that fit in a Kitfox but a
>generic cylinder shaped tank could fit in just about any wing.
>
>Mike Chaney
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Don Smythe
>Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 4:49 AM
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: West System Epoxy answer
>
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
>
>I think finding an alternate material is much better than relying on
>coatings and sloshes. However retrofitting a new tank into a completed
>aircraft is a pretty big job and messy. Another possible option is to use
>our existing tanks with a rubber (whatever) bladder. One might be able to
>cut a hole in top of the existing tank (say, 1'X1') to gain access and
>remove all the existing baffles. Use the same hole to install a bladder.
>Finish up with a new cover screwed on top to hide the hole. Just a wild
>thought without much thinking? This might be the best, least expensive,
>easiest, modification.
> Are there any bladder companies that can make custom fit products?
>
>
>Don Smythe
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
>
> > There was a fellow in Klammath falls Oregon who made Poly tanks for the
> > undercambered wings. It was a limited run and may be
>
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| Subject: | Re: West System Epoxy answer |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bradley M Webb" <bmwebb@cox.net>
Oh No! I won't have anything so...so...GOUCH in my airplane!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ron schick
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 5:57 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: West System Epoxy answer
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
Bradley Walmart has some nice boat tanks for that. Ron NB Ore
>From: "Bradley M Webb" <bmwebb@cox.net>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: West System Epoxy answer
>Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 17:39:01 -0400
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bradley M Webb" <bmwebb@cox.net>
>
>Amen. Except don't limit us to the wings. I've considered a single fuselage
>tank for a while now. Plenty of room behind the seat, and in the "baggage"
>area. The feed problems of the wing tanks would disappear.
>
>The only bad side is that I'm fundamentally opposed to fuel in the cabin. I
>discounted the Mustang II long ago for this reason. But since in the Kitfox
>you hit things at 30, as opposed to 70mph, it may be mitigated.
>
>Wing folding and transportation becomes a non-issue, as well.
>
>Put me in for one M2 fuselage tank, 15-20 gallon, please.
>
>Bradley
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Chaney
>Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 1:37 PM
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: West System Epoxy answer
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mike Chaney <mdps_mc@SWOCA.NET>
>
>I was wondering why someone hasn't made a tank out of the same material
>that
>the red plastic gas cans are made from. I have a number of these plastic
>cans at home and they seem to last forever.
>
>I know there isn't a large market for tanks that fit in a Kitfox but a
>generic cylinder shaped tank could fit in just about any wing.
>
>Mike Chaney
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Don Smythe
>Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 4:49 AM
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: West System Epoxy answer
>
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
>
>I think finding an alternate material is much better than relying on
>coatings and sloshes. However retrofitting a new tank into a completed
>aircraft is a pretty big job and messy. Another possible option is to use
>our existing tanks with a rubber (whatever) bladder. One might be able to
>cut a hole in top of the existing tank (say, 1'X1') to gain access and
>remove all the existing baffles. Use the same hole to install a bladder.
>Finish up with a new cover screwed on top to hide the hole. Just a wild
>thought without much thinking? This might be the best, least expensive,
>easiest, modification.
> Are there any bladder companies that can make custom fit products?
>
>
>Don Smythe
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
>
> > There was a fellow in Klammath falls Oregon who made Poly tanks for the
> > undercambered wings. It was a limited run and may be
>
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| Subject: | Re: West System Epoxy answer |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AMuller589@aol.com
Also Remember fuel in the cabin increases the wing loads more than fuel in
the wings. The design gross weight moments were derived based on wing tanks to
reduce the wing bending loads. Not terribly significant unless you are flying
at high gross weights in air gusts greater than CAA (way back
when).standards.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bill Flick" <rflick@chilitech.net>
i have a recently overhauled ea-81 sub and am haveing trouble getting =
enough oil press after warm up. starts off around 60 lbs and then =
shortly drops off to 20 and a little less after hot. i have a new =
pump-new gauage and sender and have checked everything i can think of =
but no luck yet. i am useing 20-50 castrol. any ideas would be greatly =
appreciated. i do not have an oil cooler but am putting one on. =
question? do i put the cooler in the return line to my sump or in the =
inlet line to the pump? thanks ralph
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
Ya also weights and balance would be a pain to behind the seat.
>From: "Bradley M Webb" <bmwebb@cox.net>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: West System Epoxy answer
>Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 18:28:08 -0400
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bradley M Webb" <bmwebb@cox.net>
>
>Oh No! I won't have anything so...so...GOUCH in my airplane!
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ron schick
>Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 5:57 PM
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: West System Epoxy answer
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
>
>Bradley Walmart has some nice boat tanks for that. Ron NB Ore
>
>
> >From: "Bradley M Webb" <bmwebb@cox.net>
> >To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: West System Epoxy answer
> >Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 17:39:01 -0400
> >
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bradley M Webb" <bmwebb@cox.net>
> >
> >Amen. Except don't limit us to the wings. I've considered a single
>fuselage
> >tank for a while now. Plenty of room behind the seat, and in the
>"baggage"
> >area. The feed problems of the wing tanks would disappear.
> >
> >The only bad side is that I'm fundamentally opposed to fuel in the cabin.
>I
> >discounted the Mustang II long ago for this reason. But since in the
>Kitfox
> >you hit things at 30, as opposed to 70mph, it may be mitigated.
> >
> >Wing folding and transportation becomes a non-issue, as well.
> >
> >Put me in for one M2 fuselage tank, 15-20 gallon, please.
> >
> >Bradley
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> >[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Chaney
> >Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 1:37 PM
> >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: West System Epoxy answer
> >
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mike Chaney <mdps_mc@SWOCA.NET>
> >
> >I was wondering why someone hasn't made a tank out of the same material
> >that
> >the red plastic gas cans are made from. I have a number of these plastic
> >cans at home and they seem to last forever.
> >
> >I know there isn't a large market for tanks that fit in a Kitfox but a
> >generic cylinder shaped tank could fit in just about any wing.
> >
> >Mike Chaney
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> >[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Don Smythe
> >Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 4:49 AM
> >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: West System Epoxy answer
> >
> >
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
> >
> >I think finding an alternate material is much better than relying on
> >coatings and sloshes. However retrofitting a new tank into a completed
> >aircraft is a pretty big job and messy. Another possible option is to
>use
> >our existing tanks with a rubber (whatever) bladder. One might be able
>to
> >cut a hole in top of the existing tank (say, 1'X1') to gain access and
> >remove all the existing baffles. Use the same hole to install a bladder.
> >Finish up with a new cover screwed on top to hide the hole. Just a wild
> >thought without much thinking? This might be the best, least expensive,
> >easiest, modification.
> > Are there any bladder companies that can make custom fit products?
> >
> >
> >Don Smythe
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
> >
> > > There was a fellow in Klammath falls Oregon who made Poly tanks for
>the
> > > undercambered wings. It was a limited run and may be
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Nose Wheel Shimmy |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Roger McConnell" <rdmac@swbell.net>
John and others
Thanks for the advice; I do recall something in the build manual
about using a fish scale. I'm not a fisherman so guess I'll borrow or go buy
one. Now let's see if its 12-14 lbs at the rear of the tire what do you
figure it to be at the rear of the faring? Think I'll try 6-8 lbs.
Roger Mac
DO NOT ARCHIVE
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jdmcbean
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 11:20 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Nose Wheel Shimmy
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Roger,
The most common issue with the nose wheel shimmy is the strut axle
nut.. it
needs to be tight enough that it requires about 12-14 lbs of break away
pressure if one was to grab the rear of the tire... You can adjust it by
using a fish scale and hook it to the aft of the tire. It does not need to
maintain that pressure but it should be close to that to get the tire to
start turning...
Hope that helps...
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Roger McConnell
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2006 10:13 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Nose Wheel Shimmy
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Roger McConnell" <rdmac@swbell.net>
I got a question for you guy or gals that fly unconventional gear Kitfoxs.
Every sense installing the faring on the nose wheel, I have had a
reoccurring shimmy.
I have tightened the pivot nut on the strut and have also added some
pressure to the tire. I thought I had it fixed but after going out and
flying this morning, before the wind got up, it did it again when I landed.
Is there something I haven't tried or I'm doing wrong.
Roger Mac
S7/912s
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| Subject: | Re: West System Epoxy answer |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Fues tank Well, if you are going to do that, take a
look at the tanks in JEGS or other racing catalogs.
They are foam filled for crash protection and come in
various sizes to fit your needs. Dealing with how to
hook up the filler might slow you down a bit, but
otherwise a safer tank than any we have now.
Kurt S. S-5
--- Bradley M Webb <bmwebb@cox.net> wrote:
> Amen. Except don't limit us to the wings. I've
> considered a single fuselage tank for a while now.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Mark,
I used the same 5 gal of fuel and washed it thru the
entire system several times and then checked the
filter. Rewashed it until the filter was clean. Each
time I used a filter funnel to collect the fuel in the
5 gal tank, and then refiltered it again as I poured
it into the plane so it was always clean.
Kurt S. S-5
--- Mark Thompson <kr2@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Hi all, I have a kitfox iv and am ready for my first
> flight in about a week or two,after many days of
> upgrades and changes that I made I am left with a
> simple question .should I flush my fuel tanks since
> the plane has been sitting since last august with
> little to no fuel in it and if so ,is there a
> product out that will do the job or should I just
> run some new avgas through it and not worry.
>
> Thanks for any advice
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| Subject: | Re: tanks and alcohol fuels |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
This is an interesting discussion and without a doubt something will come of
it I am sure. With the experience I have had personally and vicariously
throught the members of the list, it seems there are trade offs with any
tank. Aluminum will work under the movement of the wings and seams tend to
open up. The fiberglass tanks have the mentioned weaknesses and there have
been long discussions in the past on how to make the poly header tanks stop
weeping at the boss AN fitting.
Having had seeping tanks and resloshing after 500 hours of flight, I
personally will just go with the flow and if need be, reslosh the tanks
again. It is not fun, but certainly doable without damage to fabric or
glass and I did it solo.
My guess is that people with brains and bucks are looking at the potential
market for alcohol resistant everything and the solution will be forthcoming
as we need it. Thanks to Tim Vader for the tip on the alcohol resistant
epoxy slosh. I 'm sure with most of the kitfox fleet out there flying,
replacing the tanks is not a ready and attractive option. I just can't
imagine having my airplane out of service for the time it would take to
replace the tanks - new tanks, fabric and paint - not an option unless it
becomes the only opttion.
For what it's worth, I have been working on a simple effective low fuel
indicator for the header tank that uses a magnetic float that trips a dry
reed switch. I get to see the float from time to time and can readily
evaluate the effectiveness of resins, coatings etc. And if you think about
it, the float is in a much harsher invironment than the tank, because when
the float is at altitude if there is any breach in the coating, it will
de-gas and then once back down it will suck gas into the vacuum created -
wet floats don't float very well. In the early stages I would soak the
float several weeks in gas and then take it up to 15,000 ft in a bell jar
and look for bubbles. I threw out lots of floats. I've had one of the
units on my airplane now for about three or four years and I think the last
floats are pretty close to what I want. I definitely intend to try Tim's
recommended resin though.
Lowell
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| Subject: | Re: Wood Prop Advice |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Gilliatt <jim.gilliatt@att.net>
Michael Meyers wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Michael Meyers" <mmeyers7167@sbcglobal.net>
>
>Thanks to input I received from this list I have narrowed my search for =
>a wood prop for my KF (Cont. 0-200 engine) to two manufactures. =
>Sensenich makes a suitable model for $1085, unfortunately they have 3 =
>month production backlog. Props Inc. of Newport, Oregon offers a =
>similar model for $995 with a one month turn around. Has anyone had any =
>experience or recommendations regarding Props Inc.?
>
>Michael Meyers
>N598BM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Talk to this guy. He is advertised in Sport Aviation and makes props
for half of what Sensenich costs.
<>Ed Sterba
513 68th Street
Holmes Beach, FL 34217
941-778-3103
ed_sterba@excite.com <mailto:ed_sterba@excite.com>
Jim Gilliatt S7 IO240
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| Subject: | Nose Wheel Shimmy |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingsdown" <wingsdown@comcast.net>
Tightness is important. I would also make sure you are not touching down
a bit sideways. This can cause the wheel to cock in one direction or the
other. Intense wheel shimmy can bend or even break your nose gear,
really. Might I suggest rear wheel on deck first and keep the nose wheel
off as long as possible. Looks cool to. Also if she does start to shake
get the nose up and do light touches till thing calm down. Gee wonder
how I know this. Must have read it somewhere. :)
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger
McConnell
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 3:16 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Nose Wheel Shimmy
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Roger McConnell" <rdmac@swbell.net>
John and others
Thanks for the advice; I do recall something in the build manual
about using a fish scale. I'm not a fisherman so guess I'll borrow or go
buy one. Now let's see if its 12-14 lbs at the rear of the tire what do
you figure it to be at the rear of the faring? Think I'll try 6-8 lbs.
Roger Mac
DO NOT ARCHIVE
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jdmcbean
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 11:20 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Nose Wheel Shimmy
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Roger,
The most common issue with the nose wheel shimmy is the strut
axle nut.. it needs to be tight enough that it requires about 12-14 lbs
of break away pressure if one was to grab the rear of the tire... You
can adjust it by using a fish scale and hook it to the aft of the tire.
It does not need to maintain that pressure but it should be close to
that to get the tire to start turning...
Hope that helps...
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Roger
McConnell
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2006 10:13 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Nose Wheel Shimmy
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Roger McConnell" <rdmac@swbell.net>
I got a question for you guy or gals that fly unconventional gear
Kitfoxs. Every sense installing the faring on the nose wheel, I have had
a reoccurring shimmy.
I have tightened the pivot nut on the strut and have also added some
pressure to the tire. I thought I had it fixed but after going out and
flying this morning, before the wind got up, it did it again when I
landed. Is there something I haven't tried or I'm doing wrong.
Roger Mac
S7/912s
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingsdown" <wingsdown@comcast.net>
What are the oil temps? If they are normal I would hook up a mechanical
pressure gage you can look at after a short flight.
My engine did not use a sump but the general flow is, engine out----oil
filter----oil cooler----engine in. You can just crank the engine a few
turns to determine which is which with oil in the system. Make sure you
plumb the filter correct in/out, least you burst the filter or worse
starve the engine. If you have been running much at 20 PSI chances are
damage my be done and at least a teardown inspection needed. Since I did
not have a sump maybe someone else knows the routing for it. If you
install a thermostat such as the MOCAL it basically goes before the
cooler to bypass oil or flow when needed. Hope this helps.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Flick
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 3:33 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: oil pressure
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bill Flick" <rflick@chilitech.net>
i have a recently overhauled ea-81 sub and am haveing trouble getting =
enough oil press after warm up. starts off around 60 lbs and then =
shortly drops off to 20 and a little less after hot. i have a new =
pump-new gauage and sender and have checked everything i can think of =
but no luck yet. i am useing 20-50 castrol. any ideas would be greatly
= appreciated. i do not have an oil cooler but am putting one on. =
question? do i put the cooler in the return line to my sump or in the =
inlet line to the pump? thanks ralph
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| Subject: | Wood Prop Advice |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson" <janderson412@hotmail.com>
Well I can't say and I have to respect your opinion. I've only flown one
Fox (mine) and behind a 3 blade 72" ground adjustable Warpdrive and one up
and 1/2 fuel, 1500' per min at 55kts 80% power and 97kts cruise at 75%
(after tweeking the pitch to suit) is pretty good to me. John A.
From: "Andrew Matthaey" <spaghettiohead@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Wood Prop Advice
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey"
<spaghettiohead@hotmail.com>
IMHO a good wood prop makes the Kitfox!
Andrew
do not archive
>From: "John Anderson" <janderson412@hotmail.com>
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Wood Prop Advice
>Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 08:57:16 +1200
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson"
><janderson412@hotmail.com>
>
>Have you thought of using something simple and effective like a Warpdrive?
>John A.
>
>
>
>
>
>From: "Michael Meyers" <mmeyers7167@sbcglobal.net>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Wood Prop Advice
>Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 10:24:45 -0700
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Michael Meyers"
><mmeyers7167@sbcglobal.net>
>
>Thanks to input I received from this list I have narrowed my search for =
>a wood prop for my KF (Cont. 0-200 engine) to two manufactures. =
>Sensenich makes a suitable model for $1085, unfortunately they have 3 =
>month production backlog. Props Inc. of Newport, Oregon offers a =
>similar model for $995 with a one month turn around. Has anyone had any =
>experience or recommendations regarding Props Inc.?
>
>Michael Meyers
>N598BM
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Wood Prop Advice |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey" <spaghettiohead@hotmail.com>
I know there are better performing composite props out there, but strictly
aesthetically-speaking, nothing beats a three-blade wood prop on a Kitfox.
Period ;-) Personally, I'm not looking to gain a couple knots or 100ft in
the climb-out and give up my GSC! But to each his own...
Andrew
do not archive
>From: "John Anderson" <janderson412@hotmail.com>
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Wood Prop Advice
>Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 14:29:30 +1200
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson"
><janderson412@hotmail.com>
>
>Well I can't say and I have to respect your opinion. I've only flown one
>Fox (mine) and behind a 3 blade 72" ground adjustable Warpdrive and one up
>and 1/2 fuel, 1500' per min at 55kts 80% power and 97kts cruise at 75%
>(after tweeking the pitch to suit) is pretty good to me. John A.
>
>
>From: "Andrew Matthaey" <spaghettiohead@hotmail.com>
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Wood Prop Advice
>Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 17:14:52 -0400
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey"
><spaghettiohead@hotmail.com>
>
>IMHO a good wood prop makes the Kitfox!
>
>Andrew
>
>
>do not archive
>
> >From: "John Anderson" <janderson412@hotmail.com>
> >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Wood Prop Advice
> >Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 08:57:16 +1200
> >
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson"
> ><janderson412@hotmail.com>
> >
> >Have you thought of using something simple and effective like a
>Warpdrive?
> >John A.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >From: "Michael Meyers" <mmeyers7167@sbcglobal.net>
> >To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: Kitfox-List: Wood Prop Advice
> >Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 10:24:45 -0700
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Michael Meyers"
> ><mmeyers7167@sbcglobal.net>
> >
> >Thanks to input I received from this list I have narrowed my search for
>=
> >a wood prop for my KF (Cont. 0-200 engine) to two manufactures. =
> >Sensenich makes a suitable model for $1085, unfortunately they have 3 =
> >month production backlog. Props Inc. of Newport, Oregon offers a =
> >similar model for $995 with a one month turn around. Has anyone had any
>=
> >experience or recommendations regarding Props Inc.?
> >
> >Michael Meyers
> >N598BM
> >
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Re: Wood Prop Advice |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Wilson" <Wilson@REinfo.org>
Can someone please explain the difference between a wood prop and warp
drive? Thanks.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Anderson" <janderson412@hotmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 2:57 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Wood Prop Advice
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson"
> <janderson412@hotmail.com>
>
> Have you thought of using something simple and effective like a Warpdrive?
> John A.
>
>
> From: "Michael Meyers" <mmeyers7167@sbcglobal.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Wood Prop Advice
> Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 10:24:45 -0700
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Michael Meyers"
> <mmeyers7167@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Thanks to input I received from this list I have narrowed my search for =
> a wood prop for my KF (Cont. 0-200 engine) to two manufactures. =
> Sensenich makes a suitable model for $1085, unfortunately they have 3 =
> month production backlog. Props Inc. of Newport, Oregon offers a =
> similar model for $995 with a one month turn around. Has anyone had any =
> experience or recommendations regarding Props Inc.?
>
> Michael Meyers
> N598BM
>
>
> _________________________________________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: Wood Prop Advice |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson" <janderson412@hotmail.com>
Steve, Warpdrive comes in 2 or more removeable composite blades, a selection
of lengths and the pitch is ground ajustable. John A.
From: "Steve Wilson" <Wilson@REinfo.org>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wood Prop Advice
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Wilson" <Wilson@REinfo.org>
Can someone please explain the difference between a wood prop and warp
drive? Thanks.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Anderson" <janderson412@hotmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 2:57 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Wood Prop Advice
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson"
><janderson412@hotmail.com>
>
>Have you thought of using something simple and effective like a Warpdrive?
>John A.
>
>
>From: "Michael Meyers" <mmeyers7167@sbcglobal.net>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Wood Prop Advice
>Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 10:24:45 -0700
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Michael Meyers"
><mmeyers7167@sbcglobal.net>
>
>Thanks to input I received from this list I have narrowed my search for =
>a wood prop for my KF (Cont. 0-200 engine) to two manufactures. =
>Sensenich makes a suitable model for $1085, unfortunately they have 3 =
>month production backlog. Props Inc. of Newport, Oregon offers a =
>similar model for $995 with a one month turn around. Has anyone had any =
>experience or recommendations regarding Props Inc.?
>
>Michael Meyers
>N598BM
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wood Prop Advice |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: vft@aol.com
Warp drives are much, much faster than any wood prop. I would defenently double
up on the rib stiching before fitting one of those on a Kitfox. Haven't you
ever watched Star Trek:)
Danny Melnik
F1 #25
Melbourne (FL) Rocket Factory
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Wilson <Wilson@REinfo.org>
Sent: Wed, 31 May 2006 21:31:12 -0600
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wood Prop Advice
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Wilson" <Wilson@REinfo.org>
Can someone please explain the difference between a wood prop and warp
drive? Thanks.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Anderson" <janderson412@hotmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 2:57 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Wood Prop Advice
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson"
> <janderson412@hotmail.com>
>
> Have you thought of using something simple and effective like a Warpdrive?
> John A.
>
>
> From: "Michael Meyers" <mmeyers7167@sbcglobal.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Wood Prop Advice
> Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 10:24:45 -0700
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Michael Meyers"
> <mmeyers7167@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Thanks to input I received from this list I have narrowed my search for =
> a wood prop for my KF (Cont. 0-200 engine) to two manufactures. =
> Sensenich makes a suitable model for $1085, unfortunately they have 3 =
> month production backlog. Props Inc. of Newport, Oregon offers a =
> similar model for $995 with a one month turn around. Has anyone had any =
> experience or recommendations regarding Props Inc.?
>
> Michael Meyers
> N598BM
>
>
> _________________________________________________________________
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| Subject: | Nose Wheel Shimmy |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
I would not pull on the fairing that far aft....
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Roger McConnell
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 4:16 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Nose Wheel Shimmy
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Roger McConnell" <rdmac@swbell.net>
John and others
Thanks for the advice; I do recall something in the build manual
about using a fish scale. I'm not a fisherman so guess I'll borrow or go buy
one. Now let's see if its 12-14 lbs at the rear of the tire what do you
figure it to be at the rear of the faring? Think I'll try 6-8 lbs.
Roger Mac
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jdmcbean
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 11:20 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Nose Wheel Shimmy
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Roger,
The most common issue with the nose wheel shimmy is the strut axle
nut.. it
needs to be tight enough that it requires about 12-14 lbs of break away
pressure if one was to grab the rear of the tire... You can adjust it by
using a fish scale and hook it to the aft of the tire. It does not need to
maintain that pressure but it should be close to that to get the tire to
start turning...
Hope that helps...
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Roger McConnell
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2006 10:13 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Nose Wheel Shimmy
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Roger McConnell" <rdmac@swbell.net>
I got a question for you guy or gals that fly unconventional gear Kitfoxs.
Every sense installing the faring on the nose wheel, I have had a
reoccurring shimmy.
I have tightened the pivot nut on the strut and have also added some
pressure to the tire. I thought I had it fixed but after going out and
flying this morning, before the wind got up, it did it again when I landed.
Is there something I haven't tried or I'm doing wrong.
Roger Mac
S7/912s
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: James Shumaker <jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net>
The rumor about aluminum fuel tanks to being perfect is quite true. I re-sloshed
one of my tanks about 2 months ago. It was better for about a week. Now it
is dripping. Probably a seam opening up.
As someone mentioned, the race car set make all sorts of tanks with bladders
and foam fillers as a matter of course and think of the fuel tank as a minor problem
rather than a major problem. But then they don't have them inside the
wing and covered with fabric and paint.
Jim Shumaker
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