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1. 04:06 AM - Re: Pics do paint 1000 words (Fox5flyer)
2. 06:51 AM - Re: Ethanol fuel (flier)
3. 07:09 AM - Re: Specs (wingsdown)
4. 07:13 AM - Re: Specs (wingsdown)
5. 07:23 AM - My weekend (kitfoxjunky)
6. 07:45 AM - Re: high oil temps 912 (kitfoxmike)
7. 08:32 AM - Re: Re: Pedal torque tube bushings? Question? (Rueb, Duane)
8. 09:13 AM - Re: My weekend (Harris, Robert)
9. 01:09 PM - Re: List Enclosure SupportList Enclosure Support (Michael Gibbs)
10. 01:30 PM - List Administrator-Please change my e-mail adress (Harris, Robert)
11. 01:51 PM - Re: List Enclosure SupportList Enclosure Support (Fox5flyer)
12. 02:07 PM - Re: Re: List Enclosure SupportList Enclosure Support (Matt Dralle)
13. 02:10 PM - Re: Specs (kurt schrader)
14. 02:13 PM - Re: Re: List Enclosure SupportList Enclosure Support (Don Pearsall)
15. 02:29 PM - Re: Specs (wingsdown)
16. 03:07 PM - Re: Specs (John Anderson)
17. 03:19 PM - Re: Specs (John Anderson)
18. 03:21 PM - Re: Tank sealer/Ethanol fuel (John Anderson)
19. 03:32 PM - Re: Re: List Enclosure SupportList Enclosure Support (Fox5flyer)
20. 03:32 PM - Re: Specs (wingsdown)
21. 03:33 PM - Re: Re: List Enclosure SupportList Enclosure Support (Fox5flyer)
22. 03:33 PM - Re: List Administrator-Please change my e-mail adress (Fox5flyer)
23. 07:21 PM - Re: Re: List Enclosure SupportList Enclosure Support (Rex)
24. 08:44 PM - Re: Re: List Enclosure SupportList Enclosure Support (QSS)
25. 09:47 PM - Attachment optional opening (ron schick)
26. 09:58 PM - Re: Specs (kurt schrader)
27. 10:06 PM - Re: Tank sealer/Ethanol fuel (kurt schrader)
28. 10:11 PM - Re: Attachment optional opening (wingsdown)
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| Subject: | Re: Pics do paint 1000 words |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Ron, I downloaded from Microsoft the image resizer (link in Matts message).
It's quick and simple and works great.
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 11:47 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Pics do paint 1000 words
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick"
<roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
>
> Thanks Matt this will resolve a lot of questions as the answers can be
> illistrated with a picture. I was going to attach a pic of my new baby
> (fox), but will have to study resizing first as it is large at 580kb
> I thought Hotmail resized automatically, but will send something to myself
> to find out. Ron NB Or
>
> _________________________________________________________________
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Ethanol fuel |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" <FLIER@sbcglobal.net>
I live here in Houston and gave Chevron corporate a
call last week to see if there was still (or going to
be) any MTBE based fuel left.
Cheveron corporate public affairs as well as the
consumer affairs groups confirmed that all Chevron is
going ethanol based per the law. No exceptions for
auto fuel. Only current inventory stocks of MTBE
could possibly still be available but there's no way
to locate the stations. Basically, if you live in a
sparsely populated area you might be able to still
find some MTBE based...but not for long.
I've also been testing the general statement that all
pumps with ethanol fuel are labeled as such. Nope,
they're not. You can't trust the labeling. I've
found ethanol at several Chevron & Shell stations
that didn't have pumps marked.
Regards,
Ted
--- Original Message ---
From: "Glenn Horne" <glennflys@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tank sealer/Ethanol fuel
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Glenn Horne"
<glennflys@verizon.net>
>
>You live next door to the refinery and you mean to
>tell me you don't have 10% ethanol in all gas over
in gennie.
>Glenn
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 5:01 PM
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tank sealer/Ethanol fuel
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingsdown" <wingsdown@comcast.net>
Cruise was at 110 MPH. You do have the model 3a Ellison I hope?
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kurt
schrader
Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 11:29 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Specs
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
--> <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Thanks Rick,
I selfishly wish you were still leading at this too.
On my list of "around-to-its" is finding out why I go
lean only on certain flights, or always at those rpms
around 4000. My fear is that I have damaged the carb
from one of several reasons. Alcohol fuel, or over
pressure of the carb fuel. In any case, I can not
hold those RPM's without going above 1450 EGT, which I
have and now stay out of. Kind of limits my power
options....
Was your cruise at 110 MPH? indicated, or knots Rick?
Lance showed my torque curve pretty flat above 3200
rpm with the limit at 5600 rpm. Mostly I takeoff at
around 44-5000 rpm, but occasionally I takeoff at
54-5600 and there is a big difference! Snort, leap,
airborne! But I don't mind the 500' takeoff roll and
longer engine life.
I think you and John will always beat my engine
though. It is the little turbo. That is until I put
in your bigger one you sent, Rick. :-)
Kurt S.
--- wingsdown <wingsdown@comcast.net> wrote:
> Our turbo engine with an auto waste gate present a
> varied range of
> settings. Simply put I flew in the torque band of
> the engine roughly
> 3800-4200 RPMs. AS RPM is increased boost increase
> to the waste gate set
> level. If I remember correctly seems 16.5 at 4200
> was good and putt
> along about 110 IAS. Of course initial climb out was
> 5200 and pitch set
> at I think 9. Boost was 42inches........
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Larger water cooled turbo. The numbers RH5B seem to come to me, bit
foggy. It is easily spotted by the larger dual compressor blade.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Anderson
Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 6:43 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Specs
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson"
Thanks Rick, another helpful post for me in the 'fun' stage.. tell me
did you have a std 81 turbo or larger? John
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From: "wingsdown" <wingsdown@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Specs
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingsdown" <wingsdown@comcast.net>
Our turbo engine with an auto waste gate present a varied range of
settings. Simply put I flew in the torque band of the engine roughly
3800-4200 RPMs. AS RPM is increased boost increase to the waste gate set
level. If I remember correctly seems 16.5 at 4200 was good and putt
along about 110 IAS. Of course initial climb out was 5200 and pitch set
at I think 9. Boost was 42inches.
I did experiment for a short time only with a manual boost controller.
Way too much work load and far to sensitive for my liking. It worked,
just too much trouble for gain if any. My thinking at the time was to
over come lost boost at altitude due to the diaphragm type boost
controller, another topic it self. Yes I did take her up to almost
18,000 feet and that was on auto waste gate control.
With the new designed turbo I built boost was not an issue and I in fact
had to open the waste gate port to avoid over boost. No problem getting
50 inched to nose bleed altitude.
When working with a turbo in an aircraft, RPM, blade pitch, reduction
drive ratio, and throttle position can be used to get many different
power setting. I had hoped to develop some graphs and charts but my fun
got cut short. I really miss it. I love hearing about those of you that
still can do the experimenting and just hope I can help in a small way.
There is nothing like thinking something through and then going out and
testing your theories, great stuff.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kurt
schrader
Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 11:47 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Specs
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
--> <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Workable numbers John.
They tell more. Is that 4000 RPM at full throttle?
If not, what is your max speed, level flight and full
power? Can you go to max throttle without exceeding
your RPM limit in flight? If you get to the RPM limit
first, you need more pitch.
If possible, use 2000 feet pressure altitude (29.92
set) for comparison. That is about where I did much
of my testing so I could be consistant. Easier for us
to compare at it then.
I think you can put in a little more pitch and still
do well. Depends upon where you want the best
performance to be of course, T/O, climb, or cruise.
Looks like you have plenty of climb now and could tune
in a little more cruise. See what one more degree
does?
Since I have an inflight variable pitch prop and no
pitch gauge, I had to devise a way to set consistant
power to compare for performance testing. What I used
was max pitch and full throttle for one setting, and
increase to 3750 RPM at full throttle for the other.
I do not have good numbes for 4000 RPM for you right
now, but I am faster than that at just 3750 and full
throttle.
Not sure if this is best, but I pull 6 psi boost in
cruise. That should convert to about 42" for those
who measure that way. That seems to be where the
turbo is set to maintain pressure, since it seldom
goes higher.
Rick, what settings did you use? If 6psi is good,
John could pull a little more power with more pitch.
Kurt S.
--- John Anderson <janderson412@hotmail.com> wrote:
Kurt and others, I increased the pitch on my Warpdrive
72" 3 blade prop 1 degree and t/o, climb seem about
the same but airpeed rose at 4000rpm from 90 to 94ish.
Pulling just under one more inch of boost (1.5 psi) at
the same RPM. How does that compare to yours. John A.
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I have often read posts about back country flying with the Kitfox. Mine
has been on floats, and last year put it on wheels. Always wanted to land
on a beach. Last year I collected a few hours of tailwheel time, so I was
feeling more comfortable. Wondered how those balloon tires handled
something other than grass and concrete. There is a very interested
geological feature relatively close to home here in Toronto Canada. I
took a trip out there on Saturday. If anyone is interested..you can check
it out at my web site, in the Adventures 2006 folder. Some people trim
their lawns on the weekend. I feel for them.
Cheers
Gary Walsh
KF IV Anphib 912S
C-GOOT
www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox
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| Subject: | Re: high oil temps 912 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com>
lockwood aviation. on top of the motor, behind the gear box.
--------
kitfoxmike
kitfox4 1200 912ul speedster
http://www.frappr.com/kitfoxmike
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=38663#38663
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| Subject: | Re: Pedal torque tube bushings? Question? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rueb, Duane" <ruebd@skymail.csus.edu>
Any good quality silicon spray lube, of which there are many now would
be better than any petroleum based lube, and they are easy to use. Pick
one that has some body to it, rather than a thin one, you can test this
by spraying it on your finger and evaluating it. I found that 3-In One
has a good one these days. STP used to offer one in a smaller spray
can, which had good body (staying where you want it for longer periods).
The smaller can was great because that makes it easier to get the stuff
where you want it to go.
Duane Rueb
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Guy
Buchanan
Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Pedal torque tube bushings? Question?
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
At 11:09 AM 5/29/2006, you wrote:
>Anyone have any better lubricants to use?
Well I don't know if it's better, but I've long used Tri-Flon for
anything
plastic. I used it in my sailing days exclusively. There's a new
company,
McLube, that also has a lot of lubricants suitable for plastics and
other
marine applications.
http://www.888teammclube.com/frames/sailkote/index.html
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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I really like your website. Thanks for updating it with your weekend
pics. I'm going to go check them out right now.
Robert
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kitfoxjunky
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 7:20 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: My weekend
I have often read posts about back country flying with the Kitfox. Mine
has been on floats, and last year put it on wheels. Always wanted to
land on a beach. Last year I collected a few hours of tailwheel time,
so I was feeling more comfortable. Wondered how those balloon tires
handled something other than grass and concrete. There is a very
interested geological feature relatively close to home here in Toronto
Canada. I took a trip out there on Saturday. If anyone is
interested..you can check it out at my web site, in the Adventures 2006
folder. Some people trim their lawns on the weekend. I feel for them.
Cheers
Gary Walsh
KF IV Anphib 912S
C-GOOT
www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: List Enclosure SupportList Enclosure Support |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
Don sez:
>Very good, Matt! Thank you for doing this. It will make the list a
>lot more useful and multi-media.
I think it's a terrible idea. Before, you could "opt-in" by visiting
SportFlight or the archives for files that were of interest to you
and you wouldn't be bothered by those that you didn't care to see.
Now, you get them all, interested or not--the digest feature is the
only way to opt-out. Sure, you can delete ones you don't want, but
right now my incoming attachments folder has 281 items in it--and
this is stuff I DO want to look at.
I'm sure many requests were presented for allowing attachments but
people who were happy without them were not inclined to write in and
request as much.
I'm thankful that the digest version will not have attachments.
That's what I'll stick to.
Mike G.
N728KF
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| Subject: | List Administrator-Please change my e-mail adress |
Dear Deke or list Admininstrator,
Can you please change my e-mail address? My e-mail address is
taxman_robert@hotmail.com
Thank you,
Robert Harris
N200KF Model V 0-200
San Diego, CA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kitfoxjunky
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 7:20 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: My weekend
I have often read posts about back country flying with the Kitfox. Mine
has been on floats, and last year put it on wheels. Always wanted to
land on a beach. Last year I collected a few hours of tailwheel time,
so I was feeling more comfortable. Wondered how those balloon tires
handled something other than grass and concrete. There is a very
interested geological feature relatively close to home here in Toronto
Canada. I took a trip out there on Saturday. If anyone is
interested..you can check it out at my web site, in the Adventures 2006
folder. Some people trim their lawns on the weekend. I feel for them.
Cheers
Gary Walsh
KF IV Anphib 912S
C-GOOT
www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: List Enclosure SupportList Enclosure Support |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
I kinda have to echo your comments Michael. However, my problem is that I
have no choice in my dial up modem. Very slow. I envy those with fast
cable and dsl setups, but none available around here. I'm waiting to see
what happens when some folks start sending photos of their trip to Aunt
Sara's and all in 1meg files. My modem won't be able to handle it. And no,
neither Don nor I knew this was coming.
Deke
List Administrator
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: List Enclosure SupportList Enclosure Support
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
>
> Don sez:
>
> >Very good, Matt! Thank you for doing this. It will make the list a
> >lot more useful and multi-media.
>
> I think it's a terrible idea. Before, you could "opt-in" by visiting
> SportFlight or the archives for files that were of interest to you
> and you wouldn't be bothered by those that you didn't care to see.
> Now, you get them all, interested or not--the digest feature is the
> only way to opt-out. Sure, you can delete ones you don't want, but
> right now my incoming attachments folder has 281 items in it--and
> this is stuff I DO want to look at.
>
> I'm sure many requests were presented for allowing attachments but
> people who were happy without them were not inclined to write in and
> request as much.
>
> I'm thankful that the digest version will not have attachments.
> That's what I'll stick to.
>
> Mike G.
> N728KF
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: List Enclosure SupportList Enclosure Support |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
A better option might be just around the corner. I'm looking at a method that
will strip the enclosures from the email and insert a URL link into the email
distribution instead that will point to the Matronics webserver similar to the
way the BBS works now. This has many advantages including the fact that the
enclosures will be available to the Digest and List Browser viewers as well, the
Archives will also include the links, and last but not least, the modem users
won't have to suffer through the downloads. I'm hoping to actually integrate
the functionality with the existing PhotoShare web site, but it would be fully
automated. Stay tuned for more on this implementation hopefully coming soon.
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
At 01:50 PM 6/5/2006 Monday, you wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>
>
>I kinda have to echo your comments Michael. However, my problem is that I
>have no choice in my dial up modem. Very slow. I envy those with fast
>cable and dsl setups, but none available around here. I'm waiting to see
>what happens when some folks start sending photos of their trip to Aunt
>Sara's and all in 1meg files. My modem won't be able to handle it. And no,
>neither Don nor I knew this was coming.
>
>Deke
>List Administrator
>
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: List Enclosure SupportList Enclosure Support
>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
>>
>> Don sez:
>>
>> >Very good, Matt! Thank you for doing this. It will make the list a
>> >lot more useful and multi-media.
>>
>> I think it's a terrible idea. Before, you could "opt-in" by visiting
>> SportFlight or the archives for files that were of interest to you
>> and you wouldn't be bothered by those that you didn't care to see.
>> Now, you get them all, interested or not--the digest feature is the
>> only way to opt-out. Sure, you can delete ones you don't want, but
>> right now my incoming attachments folder has 281 items in it--and
>> this is stuff I DO want to look at.
>>
>> I'm sure many requests were presented for allowing attachments but
>> people who were happy without them were not inclined to write in and
>> request as much.
>>
>> I'm thankful that the digest version will not have attachments.
>> That's what I'll stick to.
>>
>> Mike G.
>> N728KF
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Rick,
Yup, 3A. Inconsistant even though fuel pressure looks
OK. I've cleaned the carb filter - nothing there -
and it looked like the spray bar was OK. That is as
far as I have gone into it.
What is interesting is that you can have 2 flights 15
minutes apart and one will be lean and the other OK on
EGT. It does not change itself in flight. It is
either running lean and requires full rich for the
whole flight, or it has some leaning available for the
whole flight. But it is always too lean around 4000
rpm. Just too lean, or leaner.
I think the max level speed I can get out of mine is
123 mph indicated, up from 109 mph before my scoop and
lift strut fairings. Still has that "hitting a wall"
effect, but not as bad. The gains seem greater at
cruise, which I do around 90-100 mph. Above that it
is more like "strain" than cruise. Mine was the 140
HP version....
No other antidrag items installed yet. Shooting for a
115 mph cruise.
Then there is that VG problem where I couldn't get it
to stall slower either....
Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo
--- wingsdown <wingsdown@comcast.net> wrote:
> Cruise was at 110 MPH. You do have the model 3a
> Ellison I hope?
> Rick
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| Subject: | Re: List Enclosure SupportList Enclosure Support |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
Maybe there could be a email delivery type (HTML or plain text) like the
Yahoo groups have. You could sign up for HTML if you want attachments, or
plain text just like before. I will write to Matt and ask if that is
available.
Don Pearsall
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fox5flyer
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 1:50 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: List Enclosure SupportList Enclosure Support
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
I kinda have to echo your comments Michael. However, my problem is that I
have no choice in my dial up modem. Very slow. I envy those with fast
cable and dsl setups, but none available around here. I'm waiting to see
what happens when some folks start sending photos of their trip to Aunt
Sara's and all in 1meg files. My modem won't be able to handle it. And no,
neither Don nor I knew this was coming.
Deke
List Administrator
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: List Enclosure SupportList Enclosure Support
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
>
> Don sez:
>
> >Very good, Matt! Thank you for doing this. It will make the list a
> >lot more useful and multi-media.
>
> I think it's a terrible idea. Before, you could "opt-in" by visiting
> SportFlight or the archives for files that were of interest to you
> and you wouldn't be bothered by those that you didn't care to see.
> Now, you get them all, interested or not--the digest feature is the
> only way to opt-out. Sure, you can delete ones you don't want, but
> right now my incoming attachments folder has 281 items in it--and
> this is stuff I DO want to look at.
>
> I'm sure many requests were presented for allowing attachments but
> people who were happy without them were not inclined to write in and
> request as much.
>
> I'm thankful that the digest version will not have attachments.
> That's what I'll stick to.
>
> Mike G.
> N728KF
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingsdown" <wingsdown@comcast.net>
Are you leaving the fuel pump on all the time? If you are not seeing 5
psi all the time that could be a possible problem. With the pump off you
will see higher EGTs. Has that been your experience as well.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kurt
schrader
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 2:09 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Specs
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
--> <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Rick,
Yup, 3A. Inconsistant even though fuel pressure looks
OK. I've cleaned the carb filter - nothing there -
and it looked like the spray bar was OK. That is as
far as I have gone into it.
What is interesting is that you can have 2 flights 15
minutes apart and one will be lean and the other OK on
EGT. It does not change itself in flight. It is
either running lean and requires full rich for the
whole flight, or it has some leaning available for the
whole flight. But it is always too lean around 4000
rpm. Just too lean, or leaner.
I think the max level speed I can get out of mine is
123 mph indicated, up from 109 mph before my scoop and
lift strut fairings. Still has that "hitting a wall"
effect, but not as bad. The gains seem greater at
cruise, which I do around 90-100 mph. Above that it
is more like "strain" than cruise. Mine was the 140
HP version....
No other antidrag items installed yet. Shooting for a
115 mph cruise.
Then there is that VG problem where I couldn't get it
to stall slower either....
Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo
--- wingsdown <wingsdown@comcast.net> wrote:
> Cruise was at 110 MPH. You do have the model 3a
> Ellison I hope?
> Rick
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson" <janderson412@hotmail.com>
Yes Rick, sounds like the EA82 unit too. John
From: "wingsdown" <wingsdown@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Specs
Larger water cooled turbo. The numbers RH5B seem to come to me, bit
foggy. It is easily spotted by the larger dual compressor blade.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Anderson
Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 6:43 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Specs
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson"
Thanks Rick, another helpful post for me in the 'fun' stage.. tell me
did you have a std 81 turbo or larger? John
_____
From: "wingsdown" <wingsdown@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Specs
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingsdown" <wingsdown@comcast.net>
Our turbo engine with an auto waste gate present a varied range of
settings. Simply put I flew in the torque band of the engine roughly
3800-4200 RPMs. AS RPM is increased boost increase to the waste gate set
level. If I remember correctly seems 16.5 at 4200 was good and putt
along about 110 IAS. Of course initial climb out was 5200 and pitch set
at I think 9. Boost was 42inches.
I did experiment for a short time only with a manual boost controller.
Way too much work load and far to sensitive for my liking. It worked,
just too much trouble for gain if any. My thinking at the time was to
over come lost boost at altitude due to the diaphragm type boost
controller, another topic it self. Yes I did take her up to almost
18,000 feet and that was on auto waste gate control.
With the new designed turbo I built boost was not an issue and I in fact
had to open the waste gate port to avoid over boost. No problem getting
50 inched to nose bleed altitude.
When working with a turbo in an aircraft, RPM, blade pitch, reduction
drive ratio, and throttle position can be used to get many different
power setting. I had hoped to develop some graphs and charts but my fun
got cut short. I really miss it. I love hearing about those of you that
still can do the experimenting and just hope I can help in a small way.
There is nothing like thinking something through and then going out and
testing your theories, great stuff.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kurt
schrader
Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 11:47 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Specs
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
--> <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Workable numbers John.
They tell more. Is that 4000 RPM at full throttle?
If not, what is your max speed, level flight and full
power? Can you go to max throttle without exceeding
your RPM limit in flight? If you get to the RPM limit
first, you need more pitch.
If possible, use 2000 feet pressure altitude (29.92
set) for comparison. That is about where I did much
of my testing so I could be consistant. Easier for us
to compare at it then.
I think you can put in a little more pitch and still
do well. Depends upon where you want the best
performance to be of course, T/O, climb, or cruise.
Looks like you have plenty of climb now and could tune
in a little more cruise. See what one more degree
does?
Since I have an inflight variable pitch prop and no
pitch gauge, I had to devise a way to set consistant
power to compare for performance testing. What I used
was max pitch and full throttle for one setting, and
increase to 3750 RPM at full throttle for the other.
I do not have good numbes for 4000 RPM for you right
now, but I am faster than that at just 3750 and full
throttle.
Not sure if this is best, but I pull 6 psi boost in
cruise. That should convert to about 42" for those
who measure that way. That seems to be where the
turbo is set to maintain pressure, since it seldom
goes higher.
Rick, what settings did you use? If 6psi is good,
John could pull a little more power with more pitch.
Kurt S.
--- John Anderson <janderson412@hotmail.com> wrote:
Kurt and others, I increased the pitch on my Warpdrive
72" 3 blade prop 1 degree and t/o, climb seem about
the same but airpeed rose at 4000rpm from 90 to 94ish.
Pulling just under one more inch of boost (1.5 psi) at
the same RPM. How does that compare to yours. John A.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson" <janderson412@hotmail.com>
Now you mention breathers Kurt, my left hand one pumps out a bit of oil,
what type do you have? My breather pipes elivate up and then drop through
the lower cowl via short stand pipe outlets. No seperators. John
From: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Specs
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
<smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Great John,
Keep us impressed!
I know what you mean about priorities too. It was a
while before I noticed my gearbox temps were high and
I did something about it, because I too was working on
more pressing matters in early testing. Cooling
always seems an issue early on as well. In my case,
fixing a badly functioning breather came first.
If you plan to go up into the rare air like Rick, you
will need even more pitch to not overspeed or under
power your plane. Once again, mission dictates. With
all your power, you can achieve many objectives with
power to spare, as you already seem to be doing.
Kurt S.
Do not archive
--- John Anderson <janderson412@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks so very much for your assistance on this
> Kurt. Yes, thinking about
> what you say I do need more pitch and going on the
> result from the change I
> made it confirms this. I been a bit focussed on
> getting cooling, belt
> tracking etc sorted but now that those things seem
> pretty well sorted it's
> time for some science. As you say, this is
> fun...I'll post my results. John
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| Subject: | Re: Tank sealer/Ethanol fuel |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson" <janderson412@hotmail.com>
Gee you lucky US folk must have cheap mogas....NZ 100LL is cheaper than
mogas but still expensive..$NZ1.60 per litre..John A.
From: dwight purdy <dpurdy@comteck.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tank sealer/Ethanol fuel
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: dwight purdy <dpurdy@comteck.com>
At present there is less than a dollar difference and that is 87 octane vs
100LL. I buy 87 and mix with 100LL. Do not know how long I can get it minus
ethanol as the corn state of Indiana has e-plants popping up everywhere.
Dwight
At 11:51 AM 6/4/2006 -0400, you wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
>
>At near $2.00 per gallon difference between 100LL and Auto fuel it won'
>take long to have new Ethanol proof fuel tanks made of gold or silver. I
>would ask which is the greatest danger to a Rotax 2 stroke, 100LL or Auto
>gas w/ ethanol??? This question has probably been raised before but, I
>missed it.
>
>Don Smythe
>----- Original Message -----
>>Since the damage caused by ethanol is irreversable and apparently
>>unavoidable if using Mogas. It might be worthwhile to start considering
>>using LL100 Avgas. It will increase service requirements on most Rotax
>>engines but that appears to be the better choice. The FAA has already get
>>the EPA and other agencies from messing with Avgas, and they are looking
>>for lead free avgas formulas. It's highly unlikely they'll allow ethanol
>>into Avgas.
>
>
>--
>Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
--
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| Subject: | Re: List Enclosure SupportList Enclosure Support |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Perfect. Thanks Matt.
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Dralle" <dralle@matronics.com>
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 5:06 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: List Enclosure SupportList Enclosure Support
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
>
>
> A better option might be just around the corner. I'm looking at a method
that will strip the enclosures from the email and insert a URL link into the
email distribution instead that will point to the Matronics webserver
similar to the way the BBS works now. This has many advantages including
the fact that the enclosures will be available to the Digest and List
Browser viewers as well, the Archives will also include the links, and last
but not least, the modem users won't have to suffer through the downloads.
I'm hoping to actually integrate the functionality with the existing
PhotoShare web site, but it would be fully automated. Stay tuned for more
on this implementation hopefully coming soon.
>
> Matt Dralle
> Matronics Email List Administrator
>
>
> At 01:50 PM 6/5/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer"
<morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
> >
> >
> >I kinda have to echo your comments Michael. However, my problem is that
I
> >have no choice in my dial up modem. Very slow. I envy those with fast
> >cable and dsl setups, but none available around here. I'm waiting to see
> >what happens when some folks start sending photos of their trip to Aunt
> >Sara's and all in 1meg files. My modem won't be able to handle it. And
no,
> >neither Don nor I knew this was coming.
> >
> >Deke
> >List Administrator
> >
> >Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: List Enclosure SupportList Enclosure Support
> >
> >
> >> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
> >>
> >> Don sez:
> >>
> >> >Very good, Matt! Thank you for doing this. It will make the list a
> >> >lot more useful and multi-media.
> >>
> >> I think it's a terrible idea. Before, you could "opt-in" by visiting
> >> SportFlight or the archives for files that were of interest to you
> >> and you wouldn't be bothered by those that you didn't care to see.
> >> Now, you get them all, interested or not--the digest feature is the
> >> only way to opt-out. Sure, you can delete ones you don't want, but
> >> right now my incoming attachments folder has 281 items in it--and
> >> this is stuff I DO want to look at.
> >>
> >> I'm sure many requests were presented for allowing attachments but
> >> people who were happy without them were not inclined to write in and
> >> request as much.
> >>
> >> I'm thankful that the digest version will not have attachments.
> >> That's what I'll stick to.
> >>
> >> Mike G.
> >> N728KF
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
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Take a look at the ones I ended up making. I got tired of messes and not
having the crud/sludge acid water purged from my crankcase while allow
clean cool air in. OK here goes first attachment.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Anderson
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 3:18 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Specs
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson"
--> <janderson412@hotmail.com>
Now you mention breathers Kurt, my left hand one pumps out a bit of oil,
what type do you have? My breather pipes elivate up and then drop
through
the lower cowl via short stand pipe outlets. No seperators. John
From: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Specs
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
<smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Great John,
Keep us impressed!
I know what you mean about priorities too. It was a
while before I noticed my gearbox temps were high and
I did something about it, because I too was working on
more pressing matters in early testing. Cooling
always seems an issue early on as well. In my case,
fixing a badly functioning breather came first.
If you plan to go up into the rare air like Rick, you
will need even more pitch to not overspeed or under
power your plane. Once again, mission dictates. With
all your power, you can achieve many objectives with
power to spare, as you already seem to be doing.
Kurt S.
Do not archive
--- John Anderson <janderson412@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks so very much for your assistance on this
> Kurt. Yes, thinking about
> what you say I do need more pitch and going on the
> result from the change I
> made it confirms this. I been a bit focussed on
> getting cooling, belt
> tracking etc sorted but now that those things seem
> pretty well sorted it's
> time for some science. As you say, this is
> fun...I'll post my results. John
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| Subject: | Re: List Enclosure SupportList Enclosure Support |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Thanks Don. Looks like Matt is on to something even better.
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 5:11 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: List Enclosure SupportList Enclosure Support
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall"
<donpearsall@comcast.net>
>
> Maybe there could be a email delivery type (HTML or plain text) like the
> Yahoo groups have. You could sign up for HTML if you want attachments, or
> plain text just like before. I will write to Matt and ask if that is
> available.
>
> Don Pearsall
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fox5flyer
> Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 1:50 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: List Enclosure SupportList Enclosure Support
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>
>
> I kinda have to echo your comments Michael. However, my problem is that I
> have no choice in my dial up modem. Very slow. I envy those with fast
> cable and dsl setups, but none available around here. I'm waiting to see
> what happens when some folks start sending photos of their trip to Aunt
> Sara's and all in 1meg files. My modem won't be able to handle it. And
no,
> neither Don nor I knew this was coming.
>
> Deke
> List Administrator
>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: List Enclosure SupportList Enclosure Support
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
> >
> > Don sez:
> >
> > >Very good, Matt! Thank you for doing this. It will make the list a
> > >lot more useful and multi-media.
> >
> > I think it's a terrible idea. Before, you could "opt-in" by visiting
> > SportFlight or the archives for files that were of interest to you
> > and you wouldn't be bothered by those that you didn't care to see.
> > Now, you get them all, interested or not--the digest feature is the
> > only way to opt-out. Sure, you can delete ones you don't want, but
> > right now my incoming attachments folder has 281 items in it--and
> > this is stuff I DO want to look at.
> >
> > I'm sure many requests were presented for allowing attachments but
> > people who were happy without them were not inclined to write in and
> > request as much.
> >
> > I'm thankful that the digest version will not have attachments.
> > That's what I'll stick to.
> >
> > Mike G.
> > N728KF
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: List Administrator-Please change my e-mail adress |
Consider it done.
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: Harris, Robert
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 4:27 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: List Administrator-Please change my e-mail
adress
Dear Deke or list Admininstrator,
Can you please change my e-mail address? My e-mail address is
taxman_robert@hotmail.com
Thank you,
Robert Harris
N200KF Model V 0-200
San Diego, CA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kitfoxjunky
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 7:20 AM
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: My weekend
I have often read posts about back country flying with the Kitfox.
Mine has been on floats, and last year put it on wheels. Always wanted
to land on a beach. Last year I collected a few hours of tailwheel
time, so I was feeling more comfortable. Wondered how those balloon
tires handled something other than grass and concrete. There is a very
interested geological feature relatively close to home here in Toronto
Canada. I took a trip out there on Saturday. If anyone is
interested..you can check it out at my web site, in the Adventures 2006
folder. Some people trim their lawns on the weekend. I feel for them.
Cheers
Gary Walsh
KF IV Anphib 912S
C-GOOT
www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox
do not archive
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Rex <gypsybee@copper.net>
Another option might be to set the limit for email size on your personal
email program. That way any larger message (example over 50kb) would
require a separate download step. Or maybe there is a setting to prevent
images or other attachments.
In Mozilla Thunderbird it's under: Tools - Account Settings - Disk Space
I can set limits for any accounts I may have differently from each
other. Take a look at your email program settings to see what can be done.
Rex
Florida/Colorado
Don Pearsall wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
>
>Maybe there could be a email delivery type (HTML or plain text) like the
>Yahoo groups have. You could sign up for HTML if you want attachments, or
>plain text just like before. I will write to Matt and ask if that is
>available.
>
>Don Pearsall
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: List Enclosure SupportList Enclosure Support |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "QSS" <msm@byterocky.net>
Guys, please keep in mind that a lot of us down here are still on dial up
systems and are lucky to pull 45kbps. I roughly timed the download on Ricks
recent email with photo attachments at approx 10 minutes. Great photos and a
brilliant service but like they say, "Size really does matter", particularly
when your email is primarily a business tool.
Regards
Graeme Toft
Queensland Safety Solutions
Ph: 07 49397011
Mob: 0411476527
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rex" <gypsybee@copper.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 12:18 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: List Enclosure SupportList Enclosure Support
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Rex <gypsybee@copper.net>
>
> Another option might be to set the limit for email size on your personal
> email program. That way any larger message (example over 50kb) would
> require a separate download step. Or maybe there is a setting to prevent
> images or other attachments.
> In Mozilla Thunderbird it's under: Tools - Account Settings - Disk Space
> I can set limits for any accounts I may have differently from each other.
> Take a look at your email program settings to see what can be done.
>
> Rex
> Florida/Colorado
>
>
> Don Pearsall wrote:
>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall"
>><donpearsall@comcast.net>
>>
>>Maybe there could be a email delivery type (HTML or plain text) like the
>>Yahoo groups have. You could sign up for HTML if you want attachments, or
>>plain text just like before. I will write to Matt and ask if that is
>>available.
>> Don Pearsall
>>
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List
> http://wiki.matronics.com
>
>
> --
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
In my Hotmail junk mailbox I can quickly read and delete all lists. The
attachments are a link I can open or not. To read the message is fast even
on my dialup connection and I can download the pics or video by choice.
Just a thought as it seems some are bothered by an attachment that I can
simply ignore. I also keep a yahoo box for those searches which require an
email address. Don't care to know what's in those. My problem of late
is I hit the "not junk" key and am getting list messages mixed throughout
my real inbox. Ron NB Or
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Rick, John and Matt,
Rick and Matt, The attachments came thru OK as
thumbnails, but the first one downloads as a black
pic. I tried twice in Corel Photohouse. The second
one is OK.
John, I had a 1/2 qt of oil blow out the factory
breather on my first flight. It flooded onto my right
cockpit floor and aft as well as blowing across my
right door in and out.
Got my attention! I thought I blew an oil cooler
line, but the pressure was good, so I landed under
power.
Fixing the breather system was my first priority in
testing, after an exensive cleanup of plane and
underware. :-(
Like Rick, I put in a system that doesn't recycle oil
back to the pan. Otherwise I could have just
installed a PVC valve on the pan return. Mine has a 1
qt race car collector that I have to drain
occasionally. It looks similar to Rick's, but he has
2 and both sides go into my one.
I removed the attachments on top of the valve covers
and attached large barbed hose couplings. One is
verticle and the other is at a 45 degree angle up to
clear other parts. The hoses go constantly up to the
collector so that good oil can drain back down after
it seperates. I was concerned because it would blow
that 1/2 qt out and I thought it would all blow out on
a long flight if I didn't let it drain back down the
hose. The bad stuff drops into the collector. Later
I did install a bit of scrubbie into the hoses held in
by the barbs to calm things down a bit like the
origional hose connectors.
I think I used 1/2" ID hose to let it breath well. In
total, what I took out weighed the same as what I put
in.
My understanding of the auto Soob is that it had the
PVC valve in place to allow air to enter the right
(airplane) cover and exit the left as it seemed to
naturally want to breath. That may explain why you
get oil out the left only John.
I eventually replaced the dipstick because the
origional only showed the top qt of oil of 5 qts.
That turned out to be too much oil and I wanted to
know how much I had when it wasn't that full. 4 qts
was the last 1/8th inch of the old dipstick. This was
due to the taildragger configuration with the dipstick
at the front and the oil leveling to the rear with the
tail down. Now I run 4 qts with a good dipstick I can
read. And oil blowout is maybe a cup or less in 10
hrs.
Keeps the plane clean as Rick said. :-)
Darn Soob replacement dipstick was $20! Couldn't find
one to recycle. :-(
Kurt S.
--- wingsdown <wingsdown@comcast.net> wrote:
> Take a look at the ones I ended up making. I got
> tired of messes and not
> having the crud/sludge acid water purged from my
> crankcase while allow
> clean cool air in. OK here goes first attachment.
>
> Rick
>
> -----Original Message-----
John Anderson
> Now you mention breathers Kurt, my left hand one
> pumps out a bit of oil, what type do you have?
> My breather pipes elivate up and then drop through
> the lower cowl via short stand pipe outlets. No
> seperators. John
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I paid $2.71 a gallon today for 87 Octane. High test
for the plane is a bit more. Don't know the 100LL
right now.
Some locals claim that they will be out of flying at
$5.00 per gallon - their breaking point?
My understanding, though I haven't confirmed it, is
that the Wright Bros paid about $2.50/gal back then.
Gas and things that ran on it were a lot more rare in
'03. But then 12 HP didn't burn as much either,
especially when a cross country was 600+ feet.
kurt S.
do not archive
--- John Anderson <janderson412@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Gee you lucky US folk must have cheap mogas....NZ
> 100LL is cheaper than
> mogas but still expensive..$NZ1.60 per litre..John
> A.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingsdown" <wingsdown@comcast.net>
Yes, that's how my email is set up as well. I don't have it auto open
anything for several reasons.
I previewed both. Not sure why one was black. It is just the other side
of the engine.
Rick
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick"
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In my Hotmail junk mailbox I can quickly read and delete all lists. The
attachments are a link I can open or not. To read the message is fast
even
on my dialup connection and I can download the pics or video by choice.
Just a thought as it seems some are bothered by an attachment that I can
simply ignore. I also keep a yahoo box for those searches which require
an
email address. Don't care to know what's in those. My problem of
late
is I hit the "not junk" key and am getting list messages mixed
throughout
my real inbox. Ron NB Or
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