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1. 05:47 AM - More Ontario flyins (Dave)
2. 07:55 AM - Re:Re pump mounting (Napier, Mark)
3. 11:32 AM - Re: Soob parts (kurt schrader)
4. 12:18 PM - Pics of Don's mod (Don Smythe)
5. 12:42 PM - Re: Soob parts (John Anderson)
6. 12:58 PM - Fuel totalizer (Fox5flyer)
7. 01:21 PM - Re: Pics of Don's mod (Dan Billingsley)
8. 01:36 PM - Re: Fuel totalizer (PWilson)
9. 02:40 PM - Re: Pics of Don's mod (Don Smythe)
10. 02:40 PM - Arlington fly-in camp spot (ron schick)
11. 02:48 PM - Re: Arlington fly-in camp spot (Don Pearsall)
12. 04:26 PM - Re: Pics of Don's mod (joe)
13. 05:29 PM - Re: Pics of Don's mod (Don Smythe)
14. 07:27 PM - Re: Pics of Don's mod (John Anderson)
15. 08:32 PM - Re: Fuel totalizer (QSS)
16. 08:40 PM - Re: Pics of Don's mod (Lowell Fitt)
17. 08:54 PM - Re: Soob parts (wingsdown)
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| Subject: | More Ontario flyins |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
June 17 Brussels Ontario
The 17th annual Pietenpol Picnic in Brussels Ontario. For lovers of
Pietenpols, antique, classic and homebuilt aircraft. Located on the airstrip
of Jim Armstrong on the north-east corner of Brussels. 10.00 a.m. to dusk.
There will be a Fireman's Breakfast on Sunday morning. For more information
contact Brian Kenney at 905 336-5190 or Jim Armstrong at 519 887-6753. Rain
date June 18th.
June 18: Brampton Airport Father's Day Fly-In breakfast. Dad's
Go-To-The-Airport-Free card. All-you-can-eat buffet breakfast includes
pancakes, sausages, bacon, eggs, coffee, juice, toast. All are welcome.
Nominal cost. RAA-TR hangar at the north end of Brampton airport (NC3). Earl
Trimble 905-787-8524, or Bill Tee 416-742-8939 steec551@rogers.com
June 23-25 Oshawa Ontario
Canadian Aviation Expo www.canadianaviationexpo.com. Visit the RAA chapter
display with demonstrations and seminars by RAA Chapters. Contact Chris
Gardiner at cgardn628@rogers.com
June 24 - Homebuilt Fly-In, Langley Airport, CYNJ (Langley, BC) All aircraft
types welcome More info: http://www.vansairforce.org/CYNJ
June 24 Kitchener Ontario
Nav Canada is hosting an information session at the Waterloo Wellington
Flight Centre at CYKF, at 2:00pm. They will be discussing Toronto area
airspace, transponders, radio etiquette, etc, and there will be a Q&A
session afterwards. We will post the notice on the www.raa.ca website
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| Subject: | RE:Re pump mounting |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Napier, Mark" <Mark.Napier@sciatl.com>
Hey Rex,
That is how mine is right now. The pump was originally installed
vertically according to the builders' manual. When I rebuilt the pump I
plugged the hole at the elbow with thread lock and drilled a new hole
very low in the chamber with the same sized drill. I've got a set of
very small PCB drills.
I didn't do it for any good engineering reason other than not wanting to
have to relocate the pump and wanting the weep hole at the bottom. It
has worked for the 85 hours I have on it so far.
When I opened up the pump I did see some varnish low in the chamber.
But I would point out this airframe had sat up for nearly six years so I
was surprised that there was no corrosion. Every thing seemed fine with
the hole in the stock location.
Draw your own conclusions....
It's time for condition inspection so I'm going to put in a new kit into
the pump.
FWIW,
Mark Napier
Time: 06:36:20 PM PST US
From: "Rex Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re pump mounting
Hi ! Guys,
re which way to mount the pump I'm not going to
stick my neck out here and pretend to be an expert but I do know from
experience racing two strokes in Karts years ago that those diaphram
pulse pumps can cause lean running mounted flat. We always assumed it
was the weight of the fuel getting bounced up and down in sympathy with
engine vibration causing ineficient pumping. We certainly also found
mounting ignition modules flat that they soon broke off but if mounted
vertically they never did. This seems to support the idea of the weight
of fuel getting bounced up and down.
Somewhere and I'm pretty sure it was from Rotax I read that little
breather hole in the pulse line inlet elbow was to let any oil dragged
in from the crankcase drain. I don't remember any further comment but it
would therfore seem logical to mount the pump flat with that drain hole
down and perhaps this is why it has been done. However we are left with
a conflict here so perhaps the best idea is as has been suggested to
mount the pump vertical, block the existing drain hole, drill a new one
down low in the pulse chamber, have the fuel outlets up so the air gets
out. Sounds good to me.
Incidentally I'm pretty sure Rotax are the only ones using that vent
hole. Makes you wonder if there is any real need but I guess the minute
loss in efficiency does not warrant playing aroung without it.
Rex Shaw.
PS
just before posting this I have looked up the Rotax Installation
Manual and it says, " The fuel pump should be installed in a cool place
[ not on the engine itself ], with the small drain hole near the impulse
connection towards the bottom. This hole drains oil condensate from the
pump diaphram chamber."
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Rick,
Sorry I am so busy right now. Where are we with the
parts you kept for me? Do I need to send you some $ ?
I forgot. Just too much to do when I am trying to
quit doing!
Guess it is the same for you after what you said about
your life too. We are at that age where we start our
next to last life. Ha ha Seems to take more planning
instead of less for some reason.
Anyway, I am off to S. America again for 2 weeks.
I'll try to stay up on the e-mails.
Hope you are fine,
Kurt S.
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| Subject: | Pics of Don's mod |
I finally made a couple pics of my cowl/radiator mods. Not too good at
sending pics so hope this works without making the list manager mad.
Pic 1198 New white paint scheme on wing tops after replacing all the 2"
tapes.
Pic 1196 is a side view. Note engine cowl is "ALL" one piece w/ hinged
access door on top.
Pic 1193 is another front view. Note horizontal isolation near the bottom
of the large round opening. This is a seperate isolated air inlet for the
muffler mounted heater box.
Pic 1191 is a front view with good shot of short exhaust section and side
engine cowl vents
Don Smythe
Hope this works
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
There are several different units out there. Check Consumer Marine for
several types. I'm using the Floscan system made for marine use. Its
provides digital totalizer and large analog display for current fuel burn.
It gets it's data via a sending unit plumbed in series with the fuel line.
Mine is plumbed under the seat between the header tank and fuel pump. It's
been working fine for six years now and is dead-on accurate. I'd never have
another airplane without one because between the sight gauges and Floscan
there's never the slightest doubt about how much fuel reserve you have. I
set up cruise with info from the rpm, manifold pressure, and fuel burn which
gives me my best compromise performance/economy. Something amazing is that
there's a favorite breakfast run about 30 minutes from me and it "always"
takes 3.8 gals of gas round trip, regardless of condtions.
Good luck,
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: "QSS" <msm@byterocky.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 7:00 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Selling C-IGVW
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "QSS" <msm@byterocky.net>
>
> G'Day Gary, I noticed in your photo's that you have a fuel mizer and
> wondered if you could comment on there effectiveness as a fuel management
> instrument. As fuel supply was the issue that contributed to my accident I
> will be fitting some type of gauge to monitor fuel use and was considering
> the mizer as an option. Maybe others that have similar types of systems
> would comment on their preferences as there appears to be many options
> ranging in price from the cheaper types to very expensive. Also what
> features should be considered as a minimum before purchasing.
>
> Regards
> Graeme
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 12:23 AM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Selling C-IGVW
>
>
> >
> > Ladies and Gents,
> >
> > I am offering C-IGVW for sale as I will be returning to Australia and
have
> > decided that it will probably be more cost effective to sell here and
> > re-buy
> > there.
> >
> > 2001 Registered as Model 4-1200 with 582 Blue Head
> > Registered in Canada as Advanced Ultralight
> > TT is approx 480 hrs with 130 hrs on engine since major O/Haul by Light
> > Engine Services (Bob Robertson)- changes daily!
> > Plane is immaculate, recent annual completed and lots of mods:
> >
> > Fairings-struts and radiator
> > Strobe and landing lights
> > In Flight adjustable IVO 2 blade medium prop
> > ICOM radio and Sigtronics panel Comm
> > Tinted windows and screen
> > Cabin Heat
> > Custom carpets and door panels etc
> > Black on White Aerothane
> > Nice VFR Instrument panel
> > Cruise at 90mph
> > Sweet plane with no damage history 10/10 inside and out
> > Full Mtce logs
> >
> > Looking for Cdn$28,000
> > Located Barrie, Ontario
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Gary Algate
> >
> >
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
------
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Pics of Don's mod |
Don, Very nice looking mod...I haven't been folowing this thread, so forgive if
I ask a redundant question. My curiosity lies with drag. You are in effect faring
the spring gear so did you notice an increase or decrease in the drag?
Dan Billingsley
Don Smythe <dosmythe@cox.net> wrote:
I finally made a couple pics of my cowl/radiator mods. Not too good at
sending pics so hope this works without making the list manager mad.
Pic 1198 New white paint scheme on wing tops after replacing all the 2"
tapes.
Pic 1196 is a side view. Note engine cowl is "ALL" one piece w/ hinged
access door on top.
Pic 1193 is another front view. Note horizontal isolation near the bottom
of the large round opening. This is a seperate isolated air inlet for the
muffler mounted heater box.
Pic 1191 is a front view with good shot of short exhaust section and side
engine cowl vents
Don Smythe
Hope this works
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel totalizer |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: PWilson <pwmac@sisna.com>
Just bought NavMan F2100 Fuel Flow NAVF2100 Gauge w/transducer $111.99
Used to be called a Fuel Mizer
Paul
===============
At 01:57 PM 6/16/2006, you wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>
>There are several different units out there. Check Consumer Marine for
>several types. I'm using the Floscan system made for marine use. Its
>provides digital totalizer and large analog display for current fuel burn.
>It gets it's data via a sending unit plumbed in series with the fuel line.
>Mine is plumbed under the seat between the header tank and fuel pump. It's
>been working fine for six years now and is dead-on accurate. I'd never have
>another airplane without one because between the sight gauges and Floscan
>there's never the slightest doubt about how much fuel reserve you have. I
>set up cruise with info from the rpm, manifold pressure, and fuel burn which
>gives me my best compromise performance/economy. Something amazing is that
>there's a favorite breakfast run about 30 minutes from me and it "always"
>takes 3.8 gals of gas round trip, regardless of condtions.
>Good luck,
>Deke
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "QSS" <msm@byterocky.net>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 7:00 PM
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Selling C-IGVW
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "QSS" <msm@byterocky.net>
> >
> > G'Day Gary, I noticed in your photo's that you have a fuel mizer and
> > wondered if you could comment on there effectiveness as a fuel management
> > instrument. As fuel supply was the issue that contributed to my accident I
> > will be fitting some type of gauge to monitor fuel use and was considering
> > the mizer as an option. Maybe others that have similar types of systems
> > would comment on their preferences as there appears to be many options
> > ranging in price from the cheaper types to very expensive. Also what
> > features should be considered as a minimum before purchasing.
> >
> > Regards
> > Graeme
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
> > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 12:23 AM
> > Subject: Kitfox-List: Selling C-IGVW
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Ladies and Gents,
> > >
> > > I am offering C-IGVW for sale as I will be returning to Australia and
>have
> > > decided that it will probably be more cost effective to sell here and
> > > re-buy
> > > there.
> > >
> > > 2001 Registered as Model 4-1200 with 582 Blue Head
> > > Registered in Canada as Advanced Ultralight
> > > TT is approx 480 hrs with 130 hrs on engine since major O/Haul by Light
> > > Engine Services (Bob Robertson)- changes daily!
> > > Plane is immaculate, recent annual completed and lots of mods:
> > >
> > > Fairings-struts and radiator
> > > Strobe and landing lights
> > > In Flight adjustable IVO 2 blade medium prop
> > > ICOM radio and Sigtronics panel Comm
> > > Tinted windows and screen
> > > Cabin Heat
> > > Custom carpets and door panels etc
> > > Black on White Aerothane
> > > Nice VFR Instrument panel
> > > Cruise at 90mph
> > > Sweet plane with no damage history 10/10 inside and out
> > > Full Mtce logs
> > >
> > > Looking for Cdn$28,000
> > > Located Barrie, Ontario
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > Gary Algate
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>------
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Pics of Don's mod |
Dan
I'd have to say if anything, it gained a little speed. Some people like
to talk about 2 or 3 MPH difference. My airspeed varies that much
depending if I carry my lunch with me or not. For instance, today I was
indicating 90 MPH @ 5800. Yesterday it was only indicating maybe 85 @
5800. 80-85 is the norm so, my speed might be up a couple MPH. At
least, it didn't go down and my cooling is much improved (I think).
Tomorrow we're going to a fly in and it's supposed to be around 95
degrees. This should test things better.
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: Dan Billingsley
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 4:20 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Pics of Don's mod
Don, Very nice looking mod...I haven't been folowing this thread, so
forgive if I ask a redundant question. My curiosity lies with drag. You
are in effect faring the spring gear so did you notice an increase or
decrease in the drag?
Dan Billingsley
Don Smythe <dosmythe@cox.net> wrote:
I finally made a couple pics of my cowl/radiator mods. Not too good
at
sending pics so hope this works without making the list manager mad.
Pic 1198 New white paint scheme on wing tops after replacing all the
2"
tapes.
Pic 1196 is a side view. Note engine cowl is "ALL" one piece w/
hinged
access door on top.
Pic 1193 is another front view. Note horizontal isolation near the
bottom
of the large round opening. This is a seperate isolated air inlet
for the
muffler mounted heater box.
Pic 1191 is a front view with good shot of short exhaust section and
side
engine cowl vents
Don Smythe
Hope this works
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| Subject: | Arlington fly-in camp spot |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
I was looking at camping spots and was wondering if all of the spots get
filled and need reserved. I am planning on driving unless the weather is
extremely cooperative. I have heard that camping under the wing is allowed
and thought about that also. Anyone else camping under the wing?
Ron NB Or
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| Subject: | Arlington fly-in camp spot |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
Ron,
There are always camping spots available at Arlington. The wing campers get
put out in the field between the taxiway and the runway, and I have seen
there is always room to spare there. See you there.
Don Pearsall
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ron schick
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 2:40 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Arlington fly-in camp spot
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
I was looking at camping spots and was wondering if all of the spots get
filled and need reserved. I am planning on driving unless the weather is
extremely cooperative. I have heard that camping under the wing is allowed
and thought about that also. Anyone else camping under the wing?
Ron NB Or
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| Subject: | Re: Pics of Don's mod |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "joe" <joe@arin.k12.pa.us>
> I finally made a couple pics of my cowl/radiator mods
++++ Please.... too many and too large. I have dial up that auto-loads all
e-mails and attachments.
Joe
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| Subject: | Re: Pics of Don's mod |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
Sorry Joe and others.
No more attachments until I become educated.
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: "joe" <joe@arin.k12.pa.us>
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 7:32 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Pics of Don's mod
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "joe" <joe@arin.k12.pa.us>
>
> ++++ Please.... too many and too large. I have dial up that auto-loads
> all
> e-mails and attachments.
>
> Joe
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel totalizer |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "QSS" <msm@byterocky.net>
Thanks guys, I will probably go with the navman as they are readily
available through marine dealerships here. For your interest Paul, the same
unit in Autralia is $360. That is around $US300, so you got a bargin. Once
you put marine or aviation onto anything here, you pay tax on tax on tax.
Regards
Graeme
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 6:34 AM
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: PWilson <pwmac@sisna.com>
>
> Just bought NavMan F2100 Fuel Flow NAVF2100 Gauge w/transducer $111.99
> Used to be called a Fuel Mizer
> Paul
> ===============
>
> At 01:57 PM 6/16/2006, you wrote:
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>>
>>There are several different units out there. Check Consumer Marine for
>>several types. I'm using the Floscan system made for marine use. Its
>>provides digital totalizer and large analog display for current fuel burn.
>>It gets it's data via a sending unit plumbed in series with the fuel line.
>>Mine is plumbed under the seat between the header tank and fuel pump.
>>It's
>>been working fine for six years now and is dead-on accurate. I'd never
>>have
>>another airplane without one because between the sight gauges and Floscan
>>there's never the slightest doubt about how much fuel reserve you have. I
>>set up cruise with info from the rpm, manifold pressure, and fuel burn
>>which
>>gives me my best compromise performance/economy. Something amazing is
>>that
>>there's a favorite breakfast run about 30 minutes from me and it "always"
>>takes 3.8 gals of gas round trip, regardless of condtions.
>>Good luck,
>>Deke
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "QSS" <msm@byterocky.net>
>>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 7:00 PM
>>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Selling C-IGVW
>>
>>
>> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "QSS" <msm@byterocky.net>
>> >
>> > G'Day Gary, I noticed in your photo's that you have a fuel mizer and
>> > wondered if you could comment on there effectiveness as a fuel
>> > management
>> > instrument. As fuel supply was the issue that contributed to my
>> > accident I
>> > will be fitting some type of gauge to monitor fuel use and was
>> > considering
>> > the mizer as an option. Maybe others that have similar types of systems
>> > would comment on their preferences as there appears to be many options
>> > ranging in price from the cheaper types to very expensive. Also what
>> > features should be considered as a minimum before purchasing.
>> >
>> > Regards
>> > Graeme
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
>> > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> > Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 12:23 AM
>> > Subject: Kitfox-List: Selling C-IGVW
>> >
>> >
>> > >
>> > > Ladies and Gents,
>> > >
>> > > I am offering C-IGVW for sale as I will be returning to Australia and
>>have
>> > > decided that it will probably be more cost effective to sell here and
>> > > re-buy
>> > > there.
>> > >
>> > > 2001 Registered as Model 4-1200 with 582 Blue Head
>> > > Registered in Canada as Advanced Ultralight
>> > > TT is approx 480 hrs with 130 hrs on engine since major O/Haul by
>> > > Light
>> > > Engine Services (Bob Robertson)- changes daily!
>> > > Plane is immaculate, recent annual completed and lots of mods:
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>> > > Fairings-struts and radiator
>> > > Strobe and landing lights
>> > > In Flight adjustable IVO 2 blade medium prop
>> > > ICOM radio and Sigtronics panel Comm
>> > > Tinted windows and screen
>> > > Cabin Heat
>> > > Custom carpets and door panels etc
>> > > Black on White Aerothane
>> > > Nice VFR Instrument panel
>> > > Cruise at 90mph
>> > > Sweet plane with no damage history 10/10 inside and out
>> > > Full Mtce logs
>> > >
>> > > Looking for Cdn$28,000
>> > > Located Barrie, Ontario
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>> > > Regards
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>> > > Gary Algate
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Don, I don't remember ever seeing your airplane. I like it. It looks
great.
My guess is that in the type of loose formation we often fly in, you would
be quite visible and certainly identifiable.
Lowell
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Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 12:15 PM
>I finally made a couple pics of my cowl/radiator mods. Not too good at
> sending pics so hope this works without making the list manager mad.
>
> Pic 1198 New white paint scheme on wing tops after replacing all the 2"
> tapes.
> Pic 1196 is a side view. Note engine cowl is "ALL" one piece w/ hinged
> access door on top.
> Pic 1193 is another front view. Note horizontal isolation near the bottom
> of the large round opening. This is a seperate isolated air inlet for the
> muffler mounted heater box.
> Pic 1191 is a front view with good shot of short exhaust section and side
> engine cowl vents
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> Don Smythe
> Hope this works
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingsdown" <wingsdown@comcast.net>
Not to worry. You can send the money when you can, I have been so busy I
cant remember why I started to turn one direction instead of the other.
Rick
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kurt
schrader
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 11:29 AM
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
--> <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Rick,
Sorry I am so busy right now. Where are we with the
parts you kept for me? Do I need to send you some $ ?
I forgot. Just too much to do when I am trying to
quit doing!
Guess it is the same for you after what you said about
your life too. We are at that age where we start our
next to last life. Ha ha Seems to take more planning
instead of less for some reason.
Anyway, I am off to S. America again for 2 weeks.
I'll try to stay up on the e-mails.
Hope you are fine,
Kurt S.
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