Today's Message Index:
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1. 12:49 AM - Kitfox week-end (Michel Verheughe)
2. 04:10 AM - Re: Pics of Don's mod (Dave)
3. 05:03 AM - Re: Kitfox week-end (DC91840@aol.com)
4. 06:17 AM - Re: Kitfox week-end (Lowell Fitt)
5. 07:27 AM - Re: Kitfox week-end (Glenn Horne)
6. 09:30 AM - Re: Attachments - New low bandwidth capability. (kurt schrader)
7. 10:35 AM - Re: Kitfox week-end (Michel Verheughe)
8. 11:04 AM - Jabiru installation (Algate)
9. 11:36 AM - Re: Kitfox week-end (Glenn Horne)
10. 11:46 AM - Re: Kitfox week-end (Rueb, Duane)
11. 02:01 PM - Norway WAS: Kitfox week-end (Michel Verheughe)
12. 02:06 PM - Re: Jabiru installation (Michel Verheughe)
13. 02:58 PM - Ethanol references (Michel Verheughe)
14. 07:26 PM - Fw: Hilltop Lakes Fly-in. (Marwynne Kuhn)
15. 08:30 PM - Re: Attachments - New low bandwidth capability. (Michael Gibbs)
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
I tried to post this yesterday but it was returned with a "fatal error" in delivering
it to the list. Strange.
Anyway, here it is again:
I had a nice week-end flying my Kitfox and here are some photos:
http://home.online.no/~michel/Dokka/
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Pics of Don's mod |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Guy,
I think the biggest culprit on the Kitfox cowl is the larger size of the
opening allowing more in air in that necessary. I think 25 to 30 sq
inches would be plenty with an exit of 50 to 75 sq in exit. Has anyone
meaurered the actual size ? I would tend to think that we are closer to 1
to 1 right now on standard cowl which if so would be a slight drag
producer.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 11:48 PM
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
>
> At 10:27 AM 6/18/2006, you wrote:
>>I think 3 to 1 would be good Don for exit of cowl air.
>
> The 3:1 will only assure that all the air that comes in meets least
> resistance going out. However there's no requirement that you have such a
> ratio. Indeed, you will have far less drag if you only allow the bare
> minimum to exit, and therefore enter, the cowl. This is how cowl flaps
> work. With the Kitfox's nice rounded cowl the drag will be far lower if
> you discourage air from entering than if you had a huge exit to try to
> pass all the air that hits that big inlet. Indeed it would be an
> interesting experiment to close off all exits, (smoothly, of course,) and
> see what speed results. (I know that a little in-cowl cooling is
> desirable, particularly if you have the voltage regulator forward of the
> firewall, like I do, but I'll bet it's extremely small. Ever seen a
> snowmobile installation?)
>
>
> Guy Buchanan
> K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List
> http://wiki.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox week-end |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: DC91840@aol.com
Michel:
Thank you for sharing the pics. As always they
are breathtaking.
Thanks again
Don C.
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox week-end |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Thanks Michel. The first picture was very familiar as it was a similarly
painted Rans S-6 that was in our flying group - Idaho and other places. I
saw that scene many times. I can relate to your great weekend. This
weekend we are off to a Rans fly-in in Utah. We will be crossing mostly
desert, though.
Lowell
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 12:47 AM
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
> I tried to post this yesterday but it was returned with a "fatal error" in
> delivering it to the list. Strange.
> Anyway, here it is again:
>
> I had a nice week-end flying my Kitfox and here are some photos:
>
> http://home.online.no/~michel/Dokka/
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
> do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox week-end |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Glenn Horne" <glennflys@verizon.net>
Michel,
What kind of engine you got on your Fox?
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 3:47 AM
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
> I tried to post this yesterday but it was returned with a "fatal error" in
> delivering it to the list. Strange.
> Anyway, here it is again:
>
> I had a nice week-end flying my Kitfox and here are some photos:
>
> http://home.online.no/~michel/Dokka/
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
> do not archive
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Attachments - New low bandwidth capability. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Works for me.
For everyone`s convenience, you can hold down the
shift key when clicking on a link and it will open in
a new page. This way you can open a picture, or all
pictures on seperate pages, then go right back to the
list message after closing the pictures. No need to
slowly reload the message or get back to the list.
On some pages I hit the "stop" button on the window
when it has loaded enough. No need to load the
advertising too. Saves time on slow connections.
Kurt S.
--- Don Pearsall <donpearsall@comcast.net> wrote:
> Matt Dralle has heard your comments about
> attachments and slow connections.
> He has worked it out so that attachments get stored
> on his servers and there
> are links to the attachments that are clickable. I
> am giving it a try with
> this post. There should be a link to my attachment
> within this message.
>
> Don Pearsall
> > Attachment:
> http://www.matronics.com/enclosures/9d288337e2ec3a62d873e9abd2a97d7ba35c4a51.JPG
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox week-end |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
On Jun 19, 2006, at 2:39 PM, Glenn Horne wrote:
> What kind of engine you got on your Fox?
You are probably puzzled by the cowling, Glenn. I had a 582 with the
beautiful round cowling but, one and half year ago, I replaced the
ageing 582 by a Jabiru 2200. I tried the Australian Skyfox cowling but
it fits only the newer Kitfoxes that have a rather flat top of the
cowling. Adapting it to my plane would mean: modify the firewall, the
glareshield, the panel and the windshield. So, I went for plan B: Cut
the existing cowling in two and form a new front, first in cardboard,
then moulded in fiberglass and epoxy. It doesn't look too good but it
works very well, my engine is incredibly cool, even on hot summer days.
I am very pleased with the Jabiru. I have now 128 hours behind it and
apart from changing the oil every 50 hours, it's maintenance free. It
may not have the torque needed to pull a sharp initial climb as a 912
but it goes easily to Vne, at level, long before WOT. It runs very
smooth and feels very reliable. One thing, though: At idle the prop
spins slightly faster than a Rotax and the plane floats a bit more
after flaring. But once you get used to it, it's not a problem.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Jabiru installation |
Michel
Here is another way of fitting the Jabiru into the standard Kitfox round
cowl. It's a bit hard to see from the fotos but he has used a lexan disc to
close off the large inlet area and has cut out holes in the disc and cowl to
bring the air into the Jabiru ducts.
It's quite a nice installation. I flew this plane last week and as you say
it doesn't have the high rate of climb of a 912 but it sure sounds beautiful
and cruises easily at 100mph. I also noticed the almost complete lack of
vibration. Nice setup.
Gary Algate
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox week-end |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Glenn Horne" <glennflys@verizon.net>
Thanks Michel,
I have a 582 on my Fox Model II but not satisfied.
To be truthful I really don't like it.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 1:31 PM
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
> On Jun 19, 2006, at 2:39 PM, Glenn Horne wrote:
>> What kind of engine you got on your Fox?
>
> You are probably puzzled by the cowling, Glenn. I had a 582 with the
> beautiful round cowling but, one and half year ago, I replaced the
> ageing 582 by a Jabiru 2200. I tried the Australian Skyfox cowling but
> it fits only the newer Kitfoxes that have a rather flat top of the
> cowling. Adapting it to my plane would mean: modify the firewall, the
> glareshield, the panel and the windshield. So, I went for plan B: Cut
> the existing cowling in two and form a new front, first in cardboard,
> then moulded in fiberglass and epoxy. It doesn't look too good but it
> works very well, my engine is incredibly cool, even on hot summer days.
> I am very pleased with the Jabiru. I have now 128 hours behind it and
> apart from changing the oil every 50 hours, it's maintenance free. It
> may not have the torque needed to pull a sharp initial climb as a 912
> but it goes easily to Vne, at level, long before WOT. It runs very
> smooth and feels very reliable. One thing, though: At idle the prop
> spins slightly faster than a Rotax and the plane floats a bit more
> after flaring. But once you get used to it, it's not a problem.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rueb, Duane" <ruebd@skymail.csus.edu>
Michel:
I enjoyed your pictures of your weekend flights. Your country
is very beautiful, and your planes are cool too. What altitude did you
use for most of these flights? You appear to be above the highest
mountains that show in some of the pictures, so I would guess that you
may be flying approximately at 10,000ft MSL.
Duane Rueb
-----Original Message-----
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Verheughe
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 12:47 AM
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
I tried to post this yesterday but it was returned with a "fatal error"
in delivering it to the list. Strange.
Anyway, here it is again:
I had a nice week-end flying my Kitfox and here are some photos:
http://home.online.no/~michel/Dokka/
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Norway WAS: Kitfox week-end |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
On Jun 19, 2006, at 8:44 PM, Rueb, Duane wrote:
> so I would guess that you may be flying approximately at 10,000ft MSL.
Good Lord, no, Duane. I was more at 4,500 feet AMSL. You see, Norway
and Sweden is a big chump of granite that was pressed down by the last
ice age. As the climate became warmer, the glaciers melted into many
streams that eroded the rock making deep valleys under the water. As
the ice vanished, the continental plate started rising and it still
does it today. In the Viking's time, the sea level was about two meters
higher than now.
South Norway is a central plateau, about 5,000 ft above sea level. But
the fjords are going down to sea level and, at some places, maybe
another 2,000 ft deep. But there are very few mountain tops. If you see
snow on them, that's because ... we are north of latitude 60, about the
same latitude as Anchorage, Alaska.
In south Norway, the "tree limit" i.e. the highest altitude pines and
birch trees can grow, is about 3,000 ft and that goes down, toward the
north, to be sea level, up north, where Torgeir lives.
The only reason Norway is inhabitable is thanks to the Gulfstream
current that warms up our shores. So, please, don't stop that water
from coming out of the Gulf of Mexico, thanks! :-)
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru installation |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
On Jun 19, 2006, at 8:06 PM, Algate wrote:
> Here is another way of fitting the Jabiru into the standard Kitfox
> round
> cowl.
Yes, I have seen several modifications of the round cowl, to fit a
Jabiru, Gary. Some are quite well done. But, IMHO, as I needed the two
inlets so typical to air-cooled boxer engines, I felt it was time to go
away from the "radial engine" look. I think I could have made it nicer
if I had placed the oil cooler somewhere else. But a well functioning
engine was my prime concern and a vertical oil cooler, placed in front
of the engine, right behind a relatively small opening is what is the
most effective, I think. And in that respect, I am very pleased, the
entire engine compartment works very well as a "cooling chamber."
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Ethanol references |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Friends, during the last week-end fly-in, I met the president of the
Norwegian microlight aircraft association and I mentioned the problem
of Ethanol and fiberglass tanks. He was very interested but knew
nothing about it. I remember seeing links to different places in the US
mentioning the problem but I don't remember them. Could the original
poster post them again, please? Not to disturb the list, I'll welcome
them off-list, of course.
Thanks in advance,
Michel
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| Subject: | Fwd: Hilltop Lakes Fly-in. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Marwynne Kuhn <marwynne@verizon.net>
Guys we are having a Fly-In At Hilltop Lakes Texas. I am going to have my Kitfox
there. I am hoping Jimmy Blackwell will fly-in since isn't that far from home.
You guys are welcome to join in the fun at Hilltop.
Free BBQ for those that fly in before Noon!
Hilltop Lakes Annual Fly-in
Date : Saturday September 30, 2006
Rain Day Sunday October 1, 2006
Awards!! Free Lunch at Noon for all Fly-Ins!
Door Prizes !!! Fun !! Hanger Flying
Location : Private 0TE4 (formerly T38)
Hilltop Lakes, Texas
Airport Information:
http://www.airnav.com/airport/0TE4
Lat 31-04.94N Long 096-12.88W
Elev. 501 feet Runways 3000 Feet Paved
Runway 16 Right Traffic Pattern
Runway 34 Left Traffic Pattern
Communications 122.75 Please watch for other aircraft in the area.
Contact : Dave Wagner 936-855-2948
Lee Allen 936-855-2260
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| Subject: | Re: Attachments - New low bandwidth capability. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
Awesome Matt! The best solution yet. :-)
>In Eudora, I just have the URL at the bottom of the message...
Likewise.
Mike G.
N728KF
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