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1. 03:51 AM - How many amps for model 2 ? (Dill Family)
2. 04:21 AM - Re: How many amps for model 2 ? (Dave)
3. 08:36 AM - 912UL/912ULS (Lyle Persels)
4. 09:02 AM - Re: 912UL/912ULS (jdmcbean)
5. 10:18 AM - Re: Sad News (Fox5flyer)
6. 10:18 AM - Re: Solo! at last... (Fox5flyer)
7. 11:07 AM - Re: Solo! at last... (ron schick)
8. 11:14 AM - Re: 912UL/912ULS (Lyle Persels)
9. 11:33 AM - Re: 912UL/912ULS (Floran Higgins)
10. 11:46 AM - Re: 912UL/912ULS (Clint Bazzill)
11. 12:21 PM - Re: 582 temps (kurt schrader)
12. 01:44 PM - Re: 582 temps (Don Smythe)
13. 02:00 PM - Catalogue (Dave G.)
14. 02:02 PM - windshield thickness (Dave G.)
15. 02:10 PM - Re: Re: Tires (Michel Verheughe)
16. 02:11 PM - Re: Tires (Michel Verheughe)
17. 02:27 PM - Re: windshield thickness (Don Smythe)
18. 02:33 PM - Re: windshield thickness (Michel Verheughe)
19. 03:12 PM - Re: windshield thickness (Dave)
20. 06:07 PM - Re: Solo! at last... (Noel Loveys)
21. 11:19 PM - Re: 582 temps (Malcolmbru@aol.com)
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| Subject: | How many amps for model 2 ? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dill Family" <Dillfamily@sbcglobal.net>
I have looked at the wiring on my used model 2 with 582. The wire coming from
the regulator/rectifier used to feed through a 5 amp CB, but this was bypassed
with a 15 amp fuse. What is the right amperage at this location. Airwolf charts
suggest that the output of the charging system peaks at about 12 amps, so 15
amps strikes me as too high. The fact that the 5 amp CB was bypassed suggests
that nuisance pops occurred with the 5 amp CB. Is 10 amp the right choice?
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| Subject: | Re: How many amps for model 2 ? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Hi,
Fuse or curcuit breaker I would try a 10 amp to start .
I would be more concerned about voltage though. The Rotax regulators send
out more than 14 v and I have seen up to 17 or 18. Spend the money and
have a 13.5 to 13.8 constant voltage from a Key West Regulator.
I will tell you that if your battery gets a bad connection that with a rotax
regulator, that the spike " could wipe out some electronics. ie radio,
gps etc. As the battery acts as a capacitor . The regulator only partly
converts the AC wave to a spiky DC wave and the battery takes care of the
rest.
Hope this helps.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 6:46 AM
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dill Family"
> <Dillfamily@sbcglobal.net>
>
> I have looked at the wiring on my used model 2 with 582. The wire coming
> from the regulator/rectifier used to feed through a 5 amp CB, but this was
> bypassed with a 15 amp fuse. What is the right amperage at this location.
> Airwolf charts suggest that the output of the charging system peaks at
> about 12 amps, so 15 amps strikes me as too high. The fact that the 5 amp
> CB was bypassed suggests that nuisance pops occurred with the 5 amp CB. Is
> 10 amp the right choice?
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lyle Persels <lpers@mchsi.com>
I'm considering upgrading my 912UL in my model IV with a 912ULS.
I'd like some thoughts and information.
Is this generally a good or a bad idea? Why?
Is the 912ULS a "plug-in" replacement? That is, would the engine
mounts need to be changed? The accessories? The instrumentation?
Just wanted the list's input before talking to a dealer.
Thanks,
Lyle Persels
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Lyle,
Depending on the age of your engine mount it may need to be replaced or
upgraded... Give a shout.. we can go over some of the details... We can also
help with your engine order.
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
208.337.5111
www.kitfoxaircraft.com www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Lyle Persels
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 9:33 AM
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lyle Persels <lpers@mchsi.com>
I'm considering upgrading my 912UL in my model IV with a 912ULS.
I'd like some thoughts and information.
Is this generally a good or a bad idea? Why?
Is the 912ULS a "plug-in" replacement? That is, would the engine
mounts need to be changed? The accessories? The instrumentation?
Just wanted the list's input before talking to a dealer.
Thanks,
Lyle Persels
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Roger, my condolences to you and all those in Chap 62. Even though I did
not know him, the loss of a fellow pilot is always a sad day for me.
Deke
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 7:02 PM
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Roger Standley" <taildragon@msn.com>
>
>
> A friend to local EAA Chapter 62 died in a C-180 crash over the weekend.
>
> This is a very big deal for everyone at Reid Hillview Airport and the
surrounding areas. He took his skills and applied them to the smaller
general aviation community. Not many people do that these days. He
repositioned planes in his shop hangar so EAA Chapter 62 would have a place
to meet once a month.
>
> Here is the Associated Press report:
>
> >>NTSB investigating plane crash in Southern Oregon
> >>GOLD HILL, Ore. - Investigators from the National Transportation Safety
Board were at the scene Monday of a plane crash in a rugged, remote region
of Southern Oregon that killed a California couple and two other people over
the weekend.
> >>
> >>Curry County Marine Deputy Ted Heath said evidence of the Saturday
crash, near Half Moon Bar Lodge on the wild and scenic section of the Rogue
River, suggests that the 1965 Cessna's right wing clipped the top of a tree
and came apart.
> >>
> >>"A witness told me that the plane had gone downriver, and was flying low
and sounded like there were no problems," Heath said. "Then, it took a hard
left turn right above the river, and clipped the top of a tree with the
wing. That piece came off, which shifted the plane. It nose-dived down, and
immediately exploded."
> >>
> >>The wing of the plane was found apart from the rest of the machine,
Heath said, and had not burned.
> >>
> >>The plane was flown by aircraft mechanic Vern Robert Miller, 60, of San
Jose, Calif., whom Heath described as a "very accomplished pilot." His wife,
Elizabeth George Miller, 58, was also on board with passengers, Sharon Viola
Hanson, 61, and Roberta Ellen Way, 65, both from Creswell.
> >>
> >>Hanson and Way had been friends for nearly 40 years, raising their kids
together and taking joint family vacations. The two were at their annual
girls' getaway weekend at the secluded Paradise Lodge on the Rogue River.
> >>
> >>Way's husband, Bob, said the pair apparently accepted an impromptu
invitation from Miller, who had just delivered supplies to the lodge and had
another delivery to make at a lodge upriver.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Solo! at last... |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Hey Lynn. Congrats to you my friend. Once you break free of the 40 mile
tether, try to schedule a trip up this way. I have the room and will make
the time.
Deke
NE Michigan, Mikado
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 5:14 PM
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>
> I just did my first 5 solo flights in anything today....well, except
> for jumping off the porch as a kid with a pillow case for a 'chute, but
> I digress.
>
> Yup, the day finally came, and my instructor got out after we made 4 or
> 5 practice landings, and asked if I wanted to take it around. I
> couldn't get the door closed fast enough behind his departing body. I
> made 3 flights around the Napoleon (3NP) grass "complex" and reported
> back to him, then made 2 more. Then we flew it back home to my slightly
> more tricky field with trees closer in, and I landed there. He wants to
> keep me on a day-to-day basis as far as the first few days after
> "birth", then he'll give me the go-ahead to venture out and start
> learning what flying is all about.
>
> Did I mention that the plane is a Kitfox? And man, that Jabiru 2200
> power can really be felt when the 225-pound instructor got out! It
> floats a bit more on landing, but sure gets off the ground quick.
>
>
> Lynn
> Kitfox IV...Jabiru 2200
>
>
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| Subject: | Solo! at last... |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
Congrads again. The passenger door came open on a 152 as I rotated during
my first solo takeoff. The plane seemed to fly better with the instructer
aboard, and without the unnerving open door. Ron NB Or.
>From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Solo! at last...
>Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 17:14:13 -0400
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>
>I just did my first 5 solo flights in anything today....
>
>
>Lynn
>Kitfox IV...Jabiru 2200
>
>
>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List
>http://wiki.matronics.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 912UL/912ULS |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lyle Persels <lpers@mchsi.com>
John,
Thanks for the response. And if you can help with the purchase,
you'll certainly be my dealer. The Model IV serial # is BDU 156. My
partner and I purchased it in 1994.
Lyle
On 06 22, 06, at 11:01 AM, jdmcbean wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
>
> Lyle,
> Depending on the age of your engine mount it may need to be
> replaced or
> upgraded... Give a shout.. we can go over some of the details... We
> can also
> help with your engine order.
>
> Fly Safe !!
> John & Debra McBean
> 208.337.5111
> www.kitfoxaircraft.com www.sportplanellc.com
> "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
>
>
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>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: 912UL/912ULS |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Floran Higgins" <cliffh@outdrs.net>
I changed the 912 UL to the 912 ULS in my Speedster.
I am very happy with the increased performance. The ULS will fit the
origional mount, but the mount and exhaust pipe must be reinforced as per
Skystars's service bulletin.
Also I destroyed three oil coolers until I got the oil cooler and mount from
Skystar. No further problems.
Floran H.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 9:32 AM
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lyle Persels <lpers@mchsi.com>
>
> I'm considering upgrading my 912UL in my model IV with a 912ULS. I'd
> like some thoughts and information.
>
> Is this generally a good or a bad idea? Why?
>
> Is the 912ULS a "plug-in" replacement? That is, would the engine mounts
> need to be changed? The accessories? The instrumentation?
>
> Just wanted the list's input before talking to a dealer.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Lyle Persels
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List
> http://wiki.matronics.com
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clint Bazzill" <clint_bazzill@hotmail.com>
HI, I think that my 912ULS was one of the first installations in a Kitfox
Model IV. Everything fits perfect (except the forward engine mounts were
about 3/16 forward and wouldn't fit. The one on the right was no proglem as
it as flattened tube and could be drilled out and an an insert inserted.
The left was a problem as it was a short welded piece of tubing that the
bolt fed through. Tube had to be cut and a short length added. The
installation of the 912ULS made it the best Kitfox made. I had it installed
in Dec 1999. Have over 1100 hours, no engine cracks or anything on
airframe. Have a startup procedure that is as smooth as glass. Clint
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lyle Persels <lpers@mchsi.com>
I'm considering upgrading my 912UL in my model IV with a 912ULS. I'd like
some thoughts and information.
Is this generally a good or a bad idea? Why?
Is the 912ULS a "plug-in" replacement? That is, would the engine mounts
need to be changed? The accessories? The instrumentation?
Just wanted the list's input before talking to a dealer.
Thanks,
Lyle Persels
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List
http://wiki.matronics.com
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Don,
I had a Toyota like that once....
I think you must be very close to the capacity of your
system to cool at those OATs. Once near the limit,
it only takes a little push to make a big difference,
up or down. On the other hand, designing for the max
limit can be very draggy the rest of the time.
I still think all you need is a variable outlet from
your scoop. Something to draw more air thru on those
climbs on really hot days, but that you can close to
normal the rest of the time for less drag. I think
you have a good design and that is all it needs.
Looks good to me anyway, but then I am dealing with
the same thing on my scoop and havent had the time to
try it yet. Still a theory then, but my fixed outlet
door does help a lot when I bolt it on.
Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo
--- Don Smythe <dosmythe@cox.net> wrote:
> I guess nothing is perfect in this world. I've been
> tinkering with this little annoying heat problem for
> 2-3 years now and every time I think it's fixed, it
> bites me. Today I went up in 90+ OAT's with the
> final modifications (I think). On climbout to 1000'
> (solo) the max temp was about 172 with cruise at
> 158. Put in the Rich Man for the second trip and
> temps went to 178 at 800' (climb rate was decreased
> with passenger). Reduced power just a tad and
> increased climb speed to 70 and the temps settled at
> 178.
> Final coolant ratio was 75% water to 25%
> antifreeze plus a dash of the product WatterWetter.
> Last week I had 50/50 ratio. The new ratio seems to
> have cooled things off by around 5-7 degrees.
> I can accept today reading at least for a while.
> Did notice that temps dropped below 150 on one long
> decent. Closed 1/2 the radiator and it stopped and
> started to increase.
>
> Don Smythe
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
Kurt,
I should be testing today. We just broke the 1981 record at a nice 97
degree OAT. Getting ready to leave for NY so no time for testing. I once
said that changing the ratio and adding WaterWetter didn't make that much
difference. Well, I just saw in my log book where I had recorded a 6 degree
cooler with different ratios and WaterWetter. I did make a difference this
time and got me that extra 5 degrees or so that I wanted. Like you said,
everything is on the edge and just need a little shove.
The outlet might be a better solution but I'm going to stick with what I
have right now. I'm tired of fabricating fiberglass.
Don Smythe
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----- Original Message -----
I think you must be very close to the capacity of your
system to cool at those OATs. Once near the limit,
it only takes a little push to make a big difference,
up or down. On the other hand, designing for the max
limit can be very draggy the rest of the time.
I still think all you need is a variable outlet from
your scoop. Something to draw more air thru on those
climbs on really hot days, but that you can close to
normal the rest of the time for less drag. I think
you have a good design and that is all it needs.
Looks good to me anyway, but then I am dealing with
the same thing on my scoop and havent had the time to
try it yet. Still a theory then, but my fixed outlet
door does help a lot when I bolt it on.
Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo
--- Don Smythe <dosmythe@cox.net> wrote:
> I guess nothing is perfect in this world. I've been
> tinkering with this little annoying heat problem for
> 2-3 years now and every time I think it's fixed, it
> bites me. Today I went up in 90+ OAT's with the
> final modifications (I think). On climbout to 1000'
> (solo) the max temp was about 172 with cruise at
> 158. Put in the Rich Man for the second trip and
> temps went to 178 at 800' (climb rate was decreased
> with passenger). Reduced power just a tad and
> increased climb speed to 70 and the temps settled at
> 178.
> Final coolant ratio was 75% water to 25%
> antifreeze plus a dash of the product WatterWetter.
> Last week I had 50/50 ratio. The new ratio seems to
> have cooled things off by around 5-7 degrees.
> I can accept today reading at least for a while.
> Did notice that temps dropped below 150 on one long
> decent. Closed 1/2 the radiator and it stopped and
> started to increase.
>
> Don Smythe
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
I'm a catalogue junkie and if I can download them and save them so much the
better. I was looking for a good wiring diagram for the Kitfox and came
across this catalogue from a company called Skystuff if anyone is
interested.
http://www.airstuff.com/2005_catalog.pdf
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| Subject: | windshield thickness |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
I have a windscreen cut out from lexan that came with my Kitfox. It seems a little
thicker than I would have expected and is a little awkward, what thickness
is normal?
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
On Jun 21, 2006, at 1:02 PM, Rex wrote:
> http://www.goodyearaviation.com/tiredatabook.html
Thank you, Darin and Rex. Very interesting, indeed.
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
On Jun 21, 2006, at 3:30 AM, Lowell Fitt wrote:
> When I responded, I was not focused on the wheel penetration skis.
Thanks Lowell and Noel. I have now decided to go for some "local" tyres
that are from Taiwan, same diameter but less width, smooth, round
shoulder and 6 plys. At least they should fit my skis.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: windshield thickness |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
My 95 kit came with .093" (standard I think). I have since replaced it with
.063" but do see a little in flight flexing around where it touches the
upper cowl.
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 5:01 PM
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
>
> I have a windscreen cut out from lexan that came with my Kitfox. It seems
> a little thicker than I would have expected and is a little awkward, what
> thickness is normal?
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: windshield thickness |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
On Jun 22, 2006, at 11:01 PM, Dave G. wrote:
> I have a windscreen cut out from lexan that came with my Kitfox. It
> seems a little thicker than I would have expected and is a little
> awkward, what thickness is normal?
My understanding is that it varies with the model and its Vne, Dave. My
Kitfox model 3 with Vne 100 MPH has a lexan windscreen of 0.06"
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: windshield thickness |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Dave,
I had a 1/8" windshiled and just replaced with 1/8 Lexan. Rock solid.
I just cut with my best tin snips that I just sharpened. I don't think it
took more than 30 mins to cut it out after i traced the old one onto it .
Hope this helps .
Dave
PS i has a 2 mil on another one but it was earlier model 2 and windshield
have less of a angle than my series 4 and it did flex at times.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 5:01 PM
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
>
> I have a windscreen cut out from lexan that came with my Kitfox. It seems
> a little thicker than I would have expected and is a little awkward, what
> thickness is normal?
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Solo! at last... |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
That's one of the great things about the Kitfox is being able to open the
door when ever the desire takes you. It is a bit wet sometimes landing on
floats with the door open...refreshing though!!
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> ron schick
> Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 3:36 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Solo! at last...
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick"
> <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
>
> Congrads again. The passenger door came open on a 152 as I
> rotated during
> my first solo takeoff. The plane seemed to fly better with
> the instructer
> aboard, and without the unnerving open door. Ron NB Or.
>
>
> >From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: Kitfox-List: Solo! at last...
> >Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 17:14:13 -0400
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how big is the radiator? they made them larger for newer models the small
one will be a hasel for ever
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