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1. 12:21 AM - Warp drive hub. (QSS)
2. 12:46 AM - Re: Warp drive hub. (John Anderson)
3. 12:46 AM - Re: Warp drive hub. (John Anderson)
4. 01:11 AM - Re: Warp drive hub. (QSS)
5. 04:21 AM - Re: Warp drive hub. (Fox5flyer)
6. 04:23 AM - Re: Warp drive hub. (kirk hull)
7. 07:17 AM - Re: Warp drive hub. (wingsdown)
8. 07:18 AM - Re: Warp drive hub. (wingsdown)
9. 08:30 AM - kitfox spar damage (Dave G.)
10. 08:51 AM - Re: kitfox spar damage (Dave)
11. 09:42 AM - Re: kitfox spar damage (Dave G.)
12. 09:53 AM - fiberglass tank sealing (Dave G.)
13. 10:40 AM - Re: kitfox spar damage (James Shumaker)
14. 10:40 AM - Re: kitfox spar damage (Dave and Diane)
15. 11:19 AM - The "Claw" tie down (David McCormick)
16. 11:22 AM - Re: kitfox spar damage (Eric)
17. 11:36 AM - Re: kitfox spar damage (kurt schrader)
18. 12:21 PM - Re: kitfox spar damage (Dave G.)
19. 02:00 PM - Re: The "Claw" tie down (Dan Billingsley)
20. 02:41 PM - Jackson Fly-In (jeff puls)
21. 02:41 PM - Re: The "Claw" tie down (Fox5flyer)
22. 02:41 PM - Re: The "Claw" tie down (kirk hull)
23. 03:07 PM - Re: Volkswagon Conversion (Gary Olson)
24. 03:08 PM - Re: The "Claw" tie down (Dan Billingsley)
25. 03:15 PM - Re: The "Claw" tie down (Cudnohufsky's)
26. 03:37 PM - Re: The "Claw" tie down (Fox5flyer)
27. 03:46 PM - Re: Warp drive hub. (Clem Nichols)
28. 03:57 PM - Re: kitfox spar damage (kitfoxmike)
29. 04:03 PM - Re: windshield thickness (kitfoxmike)
30. 04:16 PM - Re: Re: kitfox spar damage (Dave G.)
31. 04:20 PM - Re: kitfox spar damage (Jerry Liles)
32. 05:01 PM - Re: The "Claw" tie down (Rexster)
33. 05:22 PM - Re: The "Claw" tie down (Larry Huntley)
34. 05:39 PM - Re: Warp drive hub. (QSS)
35. 06:11 PM - Re: Warp drive hub. (QSS)
36. 06:28 PM - Re: Warp drive hub. (Fox5flyer)
37. 06:39 PM - Re: kitfox spar damage (kitfoxmike)
38. 06:46 PM - Re: kitfox spar damage (kitfoxmike)
39. 07:20 PM - Re: The "Claw" tie down (Lowell Fitt)
40. 07:23 PM - Re: Warp drive hub. (Clem Nichols)
41. 07:24 PM - Re: kitfox spar damage (Lowell Fitt)
42. 07:38 PM - Re: The "Claw" tie down (Lowell Fitt)
43. 07:43 PM - Re: Re: Camera Mount (was) tires (Lowell Fitt)
44. 07:44 PM - Re: fiberglass tank sealing/Poly-tanks (ron schick)
45. 07:54 PM - Re: Volkswagon Conversion (ron schick)
46. 07:57 PM - Re: Re: windshield thickness (ron schick)
47. 08:00 PM - Re: Volkswagon Conversion (Clint Bazzill)
48. 08:02 PM - Re: Re: Camera Mount (was) tires Servos... (Aerobatics@aol.com)
49. 08:11 PM - Re: kitfox spar damage (ron schick)
50. 08:19 PM - Re: Re: Camera Mount (was) tires (ron schick)
51. 09:02 PM - Re: Volkswagon Conversion (Mark Thompson)
52. 09:55 PM - Re: kitfox spar damage (dpremgood@aol.com)
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Hi Guy, can anyone tell me if a 68inch Warp Drive 3 blade prop will
match up with an NSI gear box. Im not sure about the gear ratio of the
NSI but I have been told they are 2.5 to 1 for the EA81 engine. I was
going to purchase a Bolly carbon fibre prop but the Warp Drive was
offered to me for half price so its a good deal if it fits OK. If
someone with could tell me which way to go it would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
Regards
Graeme
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| Subject: | Re: Warp drive hub. |
Thanks John but this is a 68 inch prop. I had a 70 inch warp on before
but Im just putting the question out there to see if its a viable option
going with the 68 inch.
Regards
Graeme Toft
Queensland Safety Solutions
Ph: 07 49397011
Mob: 0411476527
----- Original Message -----
From: John Anderson
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 5:46 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Warp drive hub.
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson"
Oh I forgot to mention, 2:1 reduction and Series 5 TD
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Hi Guy, can anyone tell me if a 68inch Warp Drive 3 blade prop will
match up with an NSI gear box. Im not sure about the gear ratio of the
NSI but I have been told they are 2.5 to 1 for the EA81 engine. I was
going to purchase a Bolly carbon fibre prop but the Warp Drive was
offered to me for half price so its a good deal if it fits OK. If
someone with could tell me which way to go it would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
Regards
Graeme
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| Subject: | Re: Warp drive hub. |
Graeme, my stock NSI box is 2.67 for the normally aspirated engine.
Other ratios were available, but this is the box that was supplied with
the CAP.
Deke
Hi Guy, can anyone tell me if a 68inch Warp Drive 3 blade prop will
match up with an NSI gear box. Im not sure about the gear ratio of the
NSI but I have been told they are 2.5 to 1 for the EA81 engine. I was
going to purchase a Bolly carbon fibre prop but the Warp Drive was
offered to me for half price so its a good deal if it fits OK. If
someone with could tell me which way to go it would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
Regards
Graeme
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I have that same prop on my VI with a Stratus EA81 ( also a 2.5 to 1 & 100
HP) It is what the engine manufacturer suggested. I will let you know how
it flies later this afternoon as it will have its first fligth today.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of QSS
Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 3:07 AM
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Warp drive hub.
Thanks John but this is a 68 inch prop. I had a 70 inch warp on before but
Im just putting the question out there to see if its a viable option going
with the 68 inch.
Regards
Graeme Toft
Queensland Safety Solutions
Ph: 07 49397011
Mob: 0411476527
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From: John Anderson
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 5:46 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Warp drive hub.
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson"
Oh I forgot to mention, 2:1 reduction and Series 5 TD
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Hi Guy, can anyone tell me if a 68inch Warp Drive 3 blade prop will
match up with an NSI gear box. Im not sure about the gear ratio of the NSI
but I have been told they are 2.5 to 1 for the EA81 engine. I was going to
purchase a Bolly carbon fibre prop but the Warp Drive was offered to me for
half price so its a good deal if it fits OK. If someone with could tell me
which way to go it would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.
Regards
Graeme
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I think you will be OK with the match, however if you have a 2:5:1 you
may need to find some 3:23:1 or lower gears for a non-turbo application.
I ran 3X72 warp drives on the NSI hub and 3:34:1 was just about right
for the turbo. Maybe the 68s will make a big difference, not sure. Gear
are tough to come by as the redrives are not being built. Check with
Engerfeller and see if he got all of NSIs old stock. I have an NSI CAP
hub assembly for sale should you or someone else need a replacement or
spare.
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of QSS
Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 12:19 AM
Hi Guy, can anyone tell me if a 68inch Warp Drive 3 blade prop will
match up with an NSI gear box. Im not sure about the gear ratio of the
NSI but I have been told they are 2.5 to 1 for the EA81 engine. I was
going to purchase a Bolly carbon fibre prop but the Warp Drive was
offered to me for half price so its a good deal if it fits OK. If
someone with could tell me which way to go it would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
Regards
Graeme
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Correction 2:X:1 not 3, gezzzz old is bad. There was a lot of playing
around with ration way back. Best to start with the original suggested
recommendation with the given prop combination.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of QSS
Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 12:19 AM
Hi Guy, can anyone tell me if a 68inch Warp Drive 3 blade prop will
match up with an NSI gear box. Im not sure about the gear ratio of the
NSI but I have been told they are 2.5 to 1 for the EA81 engine. I was
going to purchase a Bolly carbon fibre prop but the Warp Drive was
offered to me for half price so its a good deal if it fits OK. If
someone with could tell me which way to go it would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
Regards
Graeme
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| Subject: | kitfox spar damage |
I have two damaged spars which I'm still working on removing. The
previous owner started repairs and the workmanship is good, I'm just
doubtful of the whole concept.
The rear spar in one wing is cut and spliced just a bit before the
insert stops between ribs 7 and 8. The front spars appears fine. I've
attached a photo of the splice. It has a sleeve over it and I think it
has an extension of the insert inside. It looks like they riveted a
plate on the insert web and used part of another insert as an extension.
No photos of that, it's hard enough to decide what I'm looking at down
there.
Does anyone think this would work?
The second spar is dented at the jury strut attach point. There's a
slight bend to the spar starting at this dent, I've not yet measured it,
it looks like about 1/2" bow. I expect the only advice I will get is
that it must be replaced, but I'll ask anyway. Pictures are attached I
hope.
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| Subject: | Re: kitfox spar damage |
Dave G,
Unreal is all I have to say.
Splicing spars like that is very Mickey Mouse to say the least.
If you have any dents in the spars and you say at the wing atach point
the integrity and strength has been comprized.
I would replace any spar tube that has damage as well as anything else
that has been damaged.
I cannot comprehend what one was thinking to make those repairs in the
photos. I would suggest getting an expericend builder to look over
your entire Kitfox.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave G.
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 11:27 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: kitfox spar damage
I have two damaged spars which I'm still working on removing. The
previous owner started repairs and the workmanship is good, I'm just
doubtful of the whole concept.
The rear spar in one wing is cut and spliced just a bit before the
insert stops between ribs 7 and 8. The front spars appears fine. I've
attached a photo of the splice. It has a sleeve over it and I think it
has an extension of the insert inside. It looks like they riveted a
plate on the insert web and used part of another insert as an extension.
No photos of that, it's hard enough to decide what I'm looking at down
there.
Does anyone think this would work?
The second spar is dented at the jury strut attach point. There's a
slight bend to the spar starting at this dent, I've not yet measured it,
it looks like about 1/2" bow. I expect the only advice I will get is
that it must be replaced, but I'll ask anyway. Pictures are attached I
hope.
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| Subject: | Re: kitfox spar damage |
The original builder did an exceptional job, and flew the plane many
hundreds of hours as far as I know. It was sold when he built another,
The incident that damaged the wings occured for the third owner. I've
looked over the whole aircraft and the wings appear to be the major
damage. There was slight damage to the tailpost but it's been repaired
well. Nothing else is dented, wrinkled, cracked or bent as far as I've
been able to find. The only irritation is the aerothane paint job, it's
hard to sand off for patching small spots. I'll be using polytone for
the wings.
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 12:49 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: kitfox spar damage
I would suggest getting an expericend builder to look over your
entire Kitfox.
Dave
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| Subject: | fiberglass tank sealing |
There was a thread a couple of weeks back about sealing small holes in
fiberglass tanks.
Of course Kreem is still available, I'm told it was used at least for a
while by the factory. I found this product:
http://www.caswellplating.com/aids/epoxygas.htm
Which appears interesting. I think poly tanks are the answer. If only we
could find some enterprising individual to step up and get some blown
for us.
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| Subject: | Re: kitfox spar damage |
Dave
The hang glider industry uses round spars and splices tubes with sleeving. But
what I see in the photo is absolutely unacceptable in any form. There is NO
way to save that spar. Sleeving with over sized or undersized tube works but
a split tube scabbed over a break is not acceptable by any either the Hang gliding
industry or the Aviation industry as detailed in publication 43.13-1A/2A.
Any permanent bend in the spar is reason for rejection. No need to quantify
it. It is evidence of failure.
Jim Shumaker
"Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
I have two damaged spars which I'm still working on removing. The previous
owner started repairs and the workmanship is good, I'm just doubtful of
the whole concept.
The rear spar in one wing is cut and spliced just a bit before the insert stops
between ribs 7 and 8. The front spars appears fine. I've attached a photo of
the splice. It has a sleeve over it and I think it has an extension of the insert
inside. It looks like they riveted a plate on the insert web and used part
of another insert as an extension. No photos of that, it's hard enough to decide
what I'm looking at down there.
Does anyone think this would work?
The second spar is dented at the jury strut attach point. There's a slight bend
to the spar starting at this dent, I've not yet measured it, it looks like
about 1/2" bow. I expect the only advice I will get is that it must be replaced,
but I'll ask anyway. Pictures are attached I hope.
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| Subject: | Re: kitfox spar damage |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dave and Diane <ddsyverson@comcast.net>
Dave G.
The rear spar of a Kitfox carries a larger load than the front spar. Based on
the photos, I don't see how the damaged rear spar in the photo could possibly
carry the design loads. I don't see how a person could even guess at what
load it COULD carry - or for how long.
FYI - I threw away two brand new spars supplied by Skyclinker because of dents
and radial scratches in the surface - also had a DC-9 mechanic (familiar with
lots of aluminum) look at them before I decided.
Your comments; "I'm just doubtful of the whole concept." & "...it's hard
enough to decide what I'm looking at down there..." tells me you know the
answer. I would suggest that you go with your better judgment - you are
looking at the parts more directly than we ever can through a photo.
Anytime a person is dealing with a damaged aircraft, A person will only know
the entire aircraft is safe if a complete disassembly is done, every part of
the aircraft is inspected, assesssed, and either A) re-used if within
acceptable service limits; or B) replaced if: 1) not within acceptable
service limits; or, 2) replaced if not in original condition and the service
limits are unknown.
There are probably three real good ways to handle this. 1) Stick with the
specifications of the kit manufacture for the model you have; 2) Have a
competent Airframe mechanic look it over; 3) Make sure the repair or
replacement is complete and in reasonable agreement with the procedures laid
out in the FAA's Advisor Circular on acceptable repairs.
My comments may be a bit of overkill for some; however, there has not been a
structural failure of a wing spar on a
kitfox............yet..................
Sincerely,
Dave S
St Paul, MN
On Sunday 25 June 2006 10:27 am, Dave G. wrote:
> I have two damaged spars which I'm still working on removing. The previous
> owner started repairs and the workmanship is good, I'm just doubtful of the
> whole concept.
>
> The rear spar in one wing is cut and spliced just a bit before the insert
> stops between ribs 7 and 8. The front spars appears fine. I've attached a
> photo of the splice. It has a sleeve over it and I think it has an
> extension of the insert inside. It looks like they riveted a plate on the
> insert web and used part of another insert as an extension. No photos of
> that, it's hard enough to decide what I'm looking at down there.
>
> Does anyone think this would work?
>
> The second spar is dented at the jury strut attach point. There's a slight
> bend to the spar starting at this dent, I've not yet measured it, it looks
> like about 1/2" bow. I expect the only advice I will get is that it must be
> replaced, but I'll ask anyway. Pictures are attached I hope.
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| Subject: | The "Claw" tie down |
On Thursday at the Sentemental Journey Fly-In at LockHaven, Pennsylvania
( LHV ) we had a severe thunderstorm and at the time there were around
180 lite aircraft tied down on the airfield. 3 of the 7 airplanes that
had damaged were tied down with the " Claw " One of the claw arms that
was holding a J-3 Cub broke, and the other calw tiedowns came out of the
ground. Mabee I was just lucky but my Kitfox was tied down with screw in
type tie downs.
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| Subject: | Re: kitfox spar damage |
Dave,
ditto to all the other comments about that spar repair.
You say the workmanship is good but I guess you forgot to include a
picture of that part because what I see in these pictures is an absolute
disaster. That split tube repair wouldn't be acceptable on a farm
tractor.
For that doubler repair to be even remotely effective it would require
many more high quality fasteners properly placed and spaced throughout
the patch, not just a few pop rivets randomly placed here and there. All
that is beside the point since this kind of repair has no business on a
tubular wing spar.
Whoever flew this airplane after that repair is extremely lucky that he
has not reached a G load that would have shown him , in a very
unpleasant way, what a poor repair this is.
I vote for a new spar.
Eric
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave G.
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 10:27 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: kitfox spar damage
I have two damaged spars which I'm still working on removing. The
previous owner started repairs and the workmanship is good, I'm just
doubtful of the whole concept.
The rear spar in one wing is cut and spliced just a bit before the
insert stops between ribs 7 and 8. The front spars appears fine. I've
attached a photo of the splice. It has a sleeve over it and I think it
has an extension of the insert inside. It looks like they riveted a
plate on the insert web and used part of another insert as an extension.
No photos of that, it's hard enough to decide what I'm looking at down
there.
Does anyone think this would work?
The second spar is dented at the jury strut attach point. There's a
slight bend to the spar starting at this dent, I've not yet measured it,
it looks like about 1/2" bow. I expect the only advice I will get is
that it must be replaced, but I'll ask anyway. Pictures are attached I
hope.
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| Subject: | Re: kitfox spar damage |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Hi Dave,
> Does anyone think this would work?
No!!!
> The second spar is dented at the jury strut attach
> point. There's a slight bend to the spar....
SkyStar didnt even allow scratches on the spar, and
with good reason. The spars flex like bending coat
hangars. If undamaged, they will flex a long time
without breaking. But if damaged, even scratched,
they will fail much sooner, like a coat hangar would.
If you took an empty can and stacked bricks on it, the
can would hold up quite a few without crunching. But
if you cut open one side, only a few bricks would
flatten it. Same with that spliced spar. A very weak
fix. It is doomed!
Sorry,
kurt S.
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| Subject: | Re: kitfox spar damage |
I think you misunderstand, the aircraft was never flown this way. My
comment that the workmanship was good on this repair reflects the fact
that there are no spaces, chips or gaps. All the rivets reflect exactly
the specified pattern for the original construction, and all edges are
radiused and relieved. All the replaced ribs are in the correct
position, vertical, and the spar is straight as a die. So the work is
fine, it's the concept that's flawed. I was never in doubt that the
spliced spar required replacement.
I was never in a great deal of doubt about the dented one, but the
damage is not severe and there is/was a shred of doubt about that one.
----- Original Message -----
From: Eric
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 3:22 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: kitfox spar damage
Dave,
ditto to all the other comments about that spar repair.
You say the workmanship is good but I guess you forgot to include a
picture of that part because what I see in these pictures is an absolute
disaster. That split tube repair wouldn't be acceptable on a farm
tractor.
For that doubler repair to be even remotely effective it would require
many more high quality fasteners properly placed and spaced throughout
the patch, not just a few pop rivets randomly placed here and there. All
that is beside the point since this kind of repair has no business on a
tubular wing spar.
Whoever flew this airplane after that repair is extremely lucky that
he has not reached a G load that would have shown him , in a very
unpleasant way, what a poor repair this is.
I vote for a new spar.
Eric
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| Subject: | Re: The "Claw" tie down |
Good information Dave. 3 out of 7 failures is significant...I was just looking
into either purchasing or making a "claw" set. Time to re-evaluate. What else
is good to look at? I know by experience if the ground isn't damp or somewhat
soft, the screw-in type can be a bear to utilize. Here in the Southwest the ground
can be extremly hard.
Dan
Kitfox IV / Mesa, AZ
David McCormick <Jabfox@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday at the Sentemental Journey Fly-In at LockHaven, Pennsylvania
( LHV ) we had a severe thunderstorm and at the time there were around 180
lite aircraft tied down on the airfield. 3 of the 7 airplanes that had damaged
were tied down with the " Claw " One of the claw arms that was holding a J-3
Cub broke, and the other calw tiedowns came out of the ground. Mabee I was just
lucky but my Kitfox was tied down with screw in type tie downs.
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Anyone take any photos of the Jackson Fly-In that was held June 11? Jeff
Classic IV
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| Subject: | Re: The "Claw" tie down |
I gotta plead ignorant here. I have no idea what the claw looks like.
Anybody like to describe it or point me to a picture?
I've always found the screw type to work pretty well in most ground.
Gotta have some sort of bar to give enough leverage though. I wonder if
anybody makes them in aluminum?
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: Dan Billingsley
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 4:56 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: The "Claw" tie down
Good information Dave. 3 out of 7 failures is significant...I was just
looking into either purchasing or making a "claw" set. Time to
re-evaluate. What else is good to look at? I know by experience if the
ground isn't damp or somewhat soft, the screw-in type can be a bear to
utilize. Here in the Southwest the ground can be extremly hard.
Dan
Kitfox IV / Mesa, AZ
David McCormick <Jabfox@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday at the Sentemental Journey Fly-In at LockHaven,
Pennsylvania ( LHV ) we had a severe thunderstorm and at the time there
were around 180 lite aircraft tied down on the airfield. 3 of the 7
airplanes that had damaged were tied down with the " Claw " One of the
claw arms that was holding a J-3 Cub broke, and the other calw tiedowns
came out of the ground. Mabee I was just lucky but my Kitfox was tied
down with screw in type tie downs.
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| Subject: | The "Claw" tie down |
when you say " Claw " is that the one that the EAA has plans for one the
osh websight? it is kind of a flat plate with a U bolt in the middle and 3
holes to drive stakes through.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of David McCormick
Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 1:17 PM
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: The "Claw" tie down
On Thursday at the Sentemental Journey Fly-In at LockHaven, Pennsylvania
( LHV ) we had a severe thunderstorm and at the time there were around 180
lite aircraft tied down on the airfield. 3 of the 7 airplanes that had
damaged were tied down with the " Claw " One of the claw arms that was
holding a J-3 Cub broke, and the other calw tiedowns came out of the ground.
Mabee I was just lucky but my Kitfox was tied down with screw in type tie
downs.
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| Subject: | Re: Volkswagon Conversion |
Ken,
What size is the VW? I am installing a Great Plains 2276 with a 1:6/1 Re drive
in my series 7. This engine is said to put out 100+ HP on take off and 80+ HP
continuous cruise. At approx. 175# you can't match that HP/weight ratio with
any other auto conversion engine. Plus there are no gear boxes to mess with and
the parts and technical help is readily available. This is a very simple engine
that looks to be nearly bullet proof. Sonex uses their own version of the
VW in their planes and from what I hear the customers are very happy. I think
it also depends on what you expect from your plane. This is just my humble opinion
based on my research. Check the Great Plains website if you desire more
info..
Regards,
Gary Olson
Ken Arnold <arno7452@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Dear Listers,
I am looking at Kitfox Classic IV 1200 project with VW engine. What think you
about using VW engine for this plane? I have no experience and scant knowledge
of this power plant.
Many thanks,
Ken
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| Subject: | The "Claw" tie down |
Kirk,
I thought that was the case when I heard "claw" ...I was mistaken. This is the one that Spruce sells. http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pspages/claw.php
The EAA one as you mentioned is what I am going to make... http://www.vintageaircraft.org/magazine/aircraft_tiedown.pdf
For more info this is what EAA has to say about tie downs: http://www.airventure.org/2006/planning/tying_down.html
Dan
kirk hull <kirkhull@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
when you say " Claw " is that the one that the EAA has plans for one
the osh websight? it is kind of a flat plate with a U bolt in the middle and
3 holes to drive stakes through.
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 1:17 PM
On Thursday at the Sentemental Journey Fly-In at LockHaven, Pennsylvania ( LHV
) we had a severe thunderstorm and at the time there were around 180 lite aircraft
tied down on the airfield. 3 of the 7 airplanes that had damaged were tied
down with the " Claw " One of the claw arms that was holding a J-3 Cub broke,
and the other calw tiedowns came out of the ground. Mabee I was just lucky
but my Kitfox was tied down with screw in type tie downs.
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| Subject: | Re: The "Claw" tie down |
Deke,
I have a set of the screw in type made from titanium, they came in a set
of 3 with a cheater bar for screwing them in also made from titanium, a
friend of mine found a guy who was selling them over the internet, asked
me if I wanted a set @ $60.00 so we ordered 2. I will ask him if he
still has the contact # if you are interested.
----- Original Message -----
From: Fox5flyer
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 4:38 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: The "Claw" tie down
I gotta plead ignorant here. I have no idea what the claw looks like.
Anybody like to describe it or point me to a picture?
I've always found the screw type to work pretty well in most ground.
Gotta have some sort of bar to give enough leverage though. I wonder if
anybody makes them in aluminum?
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: Dan Billingsley
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 4:56 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: The "Claw" tie down
Good information Dave. 3 out of 7 failures is significant...I was
just looking into either purchasing or making a "claw" set. Time to
re-evaluate. What else is good to look at? I know by experience if the
ground isn't damp or somewhat soft, the screw-in type can be a bear to
utilize. Here in the Southwest the ground can be extremly hard.
Dan
Kitfox IV / Mesa, AZ
David McCormick <Jabfox@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday at the Sentemental Journey Fly-In at LockHaven,
Pennsylvania ( LHV ) we had a severe thunderstorm and at the time there
were around 180 lite aircraft tied down on the airfield. 3 of the 7
airplanes that had damaged were tied down with the " Claw " One of the
claw arms that was holding a J-3 Cub broke, and the other calw tiedowns
came out of the ground. Mabee I was just lucky but my Kitfox was tied
down with screw in type tie downs.
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| Subject: | Re: The "Claw" tie down |
Please do. I'd appreciate that.
Thanks,
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: Cudnohufsky's
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 6:16 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: The "Claw" tie down
Deke,
I have a set of the screw in type made from titanium, they came in a
set of 3 with a cheater bar for screwing them in also made from
titanium, a friend of mine found a guy who was selling them over the
internet, asked me if I wanted a set @ $60.00 so we ordered 2. I will
ask him if he still has the contact # if you are interested.
----- Original Message -----
From: Fox5flyer
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 4:38 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: The "Claw" tie down
I gotta plead ignorant here. I have no idea what the claw looks
like. Anybody like to describe it or point me to a picture?
I've always found the screw type to work pretty well in most ground.
Gotta have some sort of bar to give enough leverage though. I wonder
if anybody makes them in aluminum?
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: Dan Billingsley
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 4:56 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: The "Claw" tie down
Good information Dave. 3 out of 7 failures is significant...I was
just looking into either purchasing or making a "claw" set. Time to
re-evaluate. What else is good to look at? I know by experience if the
ground isn't damp or somewhat soft, the screw-in type can be a bear to
utilize. Here in the Southwest the ground can be extremly hard.
Dan
Kitfox IV / Mesa, AZ
David McCormick <Jabfox@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday at the Sentemental Journey Fly-In at LockHaven,
Pennsylvania ( LHV ) we had a severe thunderstorm and at the time there
were around 180 lite aircraft tied down on the airfield. 3 of the 7
airplanes that had damaged were tied down with the " Claw " One of the
claw arms that was holding a J-3 Cub broke, and the other calw tiedowns
came out of the ground. Mabee I was just lucky but my Kitfox was tied
down with screw in type tie downs.
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| Subject: | Re: Warp drive hub. |
MessageIt's my understanding that if the builder did not specify
otherwise, the standard prop reduction ratio was 2.34 to 1 with the NSI
EA81 non-turbo engine.
Clem Nichols
----- Original Message -----
From: wingsdown
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 9:17 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Warp drive hub.
Correction 2:X:1 not 3, gezzzz old is bad. There was a lot of playing
around with ration way back. Best to start with the original suggested
recommendation with the given prop combination.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of QSS
Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 12:19 AM
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: Warp drive hub.
Hi Guy, can anyone tell me if a 68inch Warp Drive 3 blade prop will
match up with an NSI gear box. Im not sure about the gear ratio of the
NSI but I have been told they are 2.5 to 1 for the EA81 engine. I was
going to purchase a Bolly carbon fibre prop but the Warp Drive was
offered to me for half price so its a good deal if it fits OK. If
someone with could tell me which way to go it would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
Regards
Graeme
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| Subject: | Re: kitfox spar damage |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com>
This is my thoughts on the whole thing. Call John and order two new spars. Pull
off all the ribs and build a new wing. When your up at altitude you will feel
muuuuch better knowing you have a good wing. Better to be taking the time
to have it right now than to be wishing you did while in a spiral going into
the ground.
--------
kitfoxmike
kitfox4 1200 912ul speedster
http://www.frappr.com/kitfoxmike
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=42990#42990
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| Subject: | Re: windshield thickness |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com>
I had 1/8 until this weekend. Seems the hot weather took its tole. Last night
around 7 I went out the airplane and found a big crack from the wing on down.
I was in Richland and Jeremy at Titan was there to help me and we took and put
a strip of aluminum down the window and rivited it together to get me home.
Very cool. One fella wanted to duck tape the window, I didn't like that at
all. I took and removed the windscreen today and tomorrow will be getting some
.093. I believe the 1/8 is just to thick.
--------
kitfoxmike
kitfox4 1200 912ul speedster
http://www.frappr.com/kitfoxmike
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=42991#42991
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| Subject: | Re: kitfox spar damage |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
Oh, I've been slowly peeling off epoxy for a week now. Still have a way to
go. Been emailing Sportplane about parts but I'll have to wait until they
are apart before I know how much to order. The best way I've found to remove
the epoxy without damaging ribs is with a hot blade.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 7:56 PM
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com>
>
> This is my thoughts on the whole thing. Call John and order two new
> spars. Pull off all the ribs and build a new wing. When your up at
> altitude you will feel muuuuch better knowing you have a good wing.
> Better to be taking the time to have it right now than to be wishing you
> did while in a spiral going into the ground.
>
> --------
> kitfoxmike
> kitfox4 1200 912ul speedster
> http://www.frappr.com/kitfoxmike
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=42990#42990
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: kitfox spar damage |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jerry Liles <wliles@bayou.com>
Salvage what you can but replace both of those spars. There is no way
the rear spar repair would be airworthy and the front spar dent and
bowing render it unacceptable.
Jerry Liles
Dave G. wrote:
> I have two damaged spars which I'm still working on removing. The
> previous owner started repairs and the workmanship is good, I'm just
> doubtful of the whole concept.
>
> The rear spar in one wing is cut and spliced just a bit before the
> insert stops between ribs 7 and 8. The front spars appears fine. I've
> attached a photo of the splice. It has a sleeve over it and I think it
> has an extension of the insert inside. It looks like they riveted a
> plate on the insert web and used part of another insert as an
> extension. No photos of that, it's hard enough to decide what I'm
> looking at down there.
>
> Does anyone think this would work?
>
> The second spar is dented at the jury strut attach point. There's a
> slight bend to the spar starting at this dent, I've not yet measured
> it, it looks like about 1/2" bow. I expect the only advice I will get
> is that it must be replaced, but I'll ask anyway. Pictures are
> attached I hope.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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| Subject: | The "Claw" tie down |
Hi Guys,
I have one of the ones that Spruce sells and it's worked well for me i
n some of Oshkosh's nasty storms. It sure is a heavy package though. Is
this the same Claw that three of seven damaged aircraft were using or is
it a different one?
Rex Phelps in Michigan
-- Dan Billingsley <dan@azshowersolutions.com> wrote:
Kirk, I thought that was the case when I heard "claw" ...I was mistaken.
This is the one that Spruce sells. http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalo
g/pspages/claw.phpThe EAA one as you mentioned is what I am going to mak
e... http://www.vintageaircraft.org/magazine/aircraft_tiedown.pdf For m
ore info this is what EAA has to say about tie downs: http://www.airvent
ure.org/2006/planning/tying_down.htmlDan
kirk hull <kirkhull@sbcglobal.net> wrote:when you say " Claw " is that
the one that the EAA has plans for one the osh websight? it is kind of
a flat plate with a U bolt in the middle and 3 holes to drive stakes thr
ough.-----Original Message-----
erver@matronics.com]On Behalf Of David McCormick
Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 1:17 PM
On Thursday at the Sentemental Journey Fly-In at LockHaven, Pennsylvania
( LHV ) we had a severe thunderstorm and at the time there were around
180 lite aircraft tied down on the airfield. 3 of the 7 airplanes that h
ad damaged were tied down with the " Claw " One of the claw arms that wa
s holding a J-3 Cub broke, and the other calw tiedowns came out of the g
round. Mabee I was just lucky but my Kitfox was tied down with screw in
type tie downs.
<html><P>Hi Guys,</P>
<P> I have one of the ones that Spruce sells and it's worked well
for me in some of Oshkosh's nasty storms. It sure is a heavy package tho
ugh. Is this the same Claw that three of seven damaged aircraft were usi
ng or is it a different one?</P>
<P>Rex Phelps in Michigan<BR><BR>-- Dan Billingsley <d
an@azshowersolutions.com> wrote:<BR></P>
<DIV>Kirk, </DIV>
<DIV>I thought that was the case when I heard "claw" ...I was mistaken.
This is the one that Spruce sells. <A href="http://www.aircraftspruce.
com/catalog/pspages/claw.php">http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pspa
ges/claw.php</A></DIV>
<DIV>The EAA one as you mentioned is what I am going to make... <U><FONT
color=#800080>http://www.vintageaircraft.org/magazine/aircraft_tiedow
n.pdf</FONT></U></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>For more info this is what EAA has to say about tie downs: <A href=
"http://www.airventure.org/2006/planning/tying_down.html">http://www.air
venture.org/2006/planning/tying_down.html</A></DIV>
<DIV>Dan<BR><BR><B><I>kirk hull <kirkhull@sbcglobal.net></I></B> w
rote:</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=171383521-25062006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>when you say <FONT color=#000000>" Claw " is that the
one that the EAA has plans for one the osh websight? it is kind of
a flat plate with a U bolt in the middle and 3 holes to drive stakes th
rough.</FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Ta
homa size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> owner-kitfox-li
st-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]<
B>On Behalf Of </B>David McCormick<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, June 25, 2006
1:17 PM<BR><B>To:</B> kitfox-list@matronics.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Kitf
ox-List: The "Claw" tie down<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>On Thursday at the Sentemental Journey
Fly-In at LockHaven, Pennsylvania ( LHV ) we had a severe thunderstorm a
nd at the time there were around 180 lite aircraft tied down on the airf
ield. 3 of the 7 airplanes that had damaged were tied down with the " Cl
aw " One of the claw arms that was holding a J-3 Cub broke, and the othe
r calw tiedowns came out of the ground. Mabee I was just lucky but my Ki
tfox was tied down with screw in type tie downs.</FONT></DIV></BLO
CKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></html>
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| Subject: | Re: The "Claw" tie down |
The two that I saw looked like these. They were ripped completely out of
the ground. Larry Huntley
----- Original Message -----
From: Rexster
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 7:57 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: The "Claw" tie down
Hi Guys,
I have one of the ones that Spruce sells and it's worked well for me
in some of Oshkosh's nasty storms. It sure is a heavy package though. Is
this the same Claw that three of seven damaged aircraft were using or is
it a different one?
Rex Phelps in Michigan
-- Dan Billingsley <dan@azshowersolutions.com> wrote:
Kirk,
I thought that was the case when I heard "claw" ...I was mistaken.
This is the one that Spruce sells.
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pspages/claw.php
The EAA one as you mentioned is what I am going to make...
http://www.vintageaircraft.org/magazine/aircraft_tiedown.pdf
For more info this is what EAA has to say about tie downs:
http://www.airventure.org/2006/planning/tying_down.html
Dan
kirk hull <kirkhull@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
when you say " Claw " is that the one that the EAA has plans for
one the osh websight? it is kind of a flat plate with a U bolt in the
middle and 3 holes to drive stakes through.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of David
McCormick
Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 1:17 PM
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: The "Claw" tie down
On Thursday at the Sentemental Journey Fly-In at LockHaven,
Pennsylvania ( LHV ) we had a severe thunderstorm and at the time there
were around 180 lite aircraft tied down on the airfield. 3 of the 7
airplanes that had damaged were tied down with the " Claw " One of the
claw arms that was holding a J-3 Cub broke, and the other calw tiedowns
came out of the ground. Mabee I was just lucky but my Kitfox was tied
down with screw in type tie downs.
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| Subject: | Re: Warp drive hub. |
MessageUnfortunately the manual I have for this gear box does not state
the gear ratio but the model number is NSI A12/A30 or at least thats
what the cover says. If this is the model you are referring to Clem, do
you feel the 68 inch Warp Drive would be OK. Kirk has been advised that
this is the correct size for his Status EA81 but he didnt say what gear
box he is running. I will be interested to hear how his first flight
went.
Regards
Graeme Toft
Queensland Safety Solutions
Ph: 07 49397011
Mob: 0411476527
----- Original Message -----
From: Clem Nichols
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 8:45 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Warp drive hub.
It's my understanding that if the builder did not specify otherwise,
the standard prop reduction ratio was 2.34 to 1 with the NSI EA81
non-turbo engine.
Clem Nichols
----- Original Message -----
From: wingsdown
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 9:17 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Warp drive hub.
Correction 2:X:1 not 3, gezzzz old is bad. There was a lot of
playing around with ration way back. Best to start with the original
suggested recommendation with the given prop combination.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of QSS
Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 12:19 AM
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: Warp drive hub.
Hi Guy, can anyone tell me if a 68inch Warp Drive 3 blade prop
will match up with an NSI gear box. Im not sure about the gear ratio of
the NSI but I have been told they are 2.5 to 1 for the EA81 engine. I
was going to purchase a Bolly carbon fibre prop but the Warp Drive was
offered to me for half price so its a good deal if it fits OK. If
someone with could tell me which way to go it would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
Regards
Graeme
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Thanks Kirk, I will be interested to hear how you went. I know this will
be a huge day for you as it sounds like a first flight coming up.
Regards
Graeme
----- Original Message -----
From: kirk hull
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 9:22 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Warp drive hub.
I have that same prop on my VI with a Stratus EA81 ( also a 2.5 to 1 &
100 HP) It is what the engine manufacturer suggested. I will let you
know how it flies later this afternoon as it will have its first fligth
today.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of QSS
Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 3:07 AM
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Warp drive hub.
Thanks John but this is a 68 inch prop. I had a 70 inch warp on
before but Im just putting the question out there to see if its a viable
option going with the 68 inch.
Regards
Graeme Toft
Queensland Safety Solutions
Ph: 07 49397011
Mob: 0411476527
----- Original Message -----
From: John Anderson
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 5:46 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Warp drive hub.
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson"
Oh I forgot to mention, 2:1 reduction and Series 5 TD
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Hi Guy, can anyone tell me if a 68inch Warp Drive 3 blade prop
will match up with an NSI gear box. Im not sure about the gear ratio of
the NSI but I have been told they are 2.5 to 1 for the EA81 engine. I
was going to purchase a Bolly carbon fibre prop but the Warp Drive was
offered to me for half price so its a good deal if it fits OK. If
someone with could tell me which way to go it would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
Regards
Graeme
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MessageMy apologies. I just checked mine and it is indeed 2:34.
Thanks for the correction.
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: Clem Nichols
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 6:45 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Warp drive hub.
It's my understanding that if the builder did not specify otherwise,
the standard prop reduction ratio was 2.34 to 1 with the NSI EA81
non-turbo engine.
Clem Nichols
----- Original Message -----
From: wingsdown
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 9:17 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Warp drive hub.
Correction 2:X:1 not 3, gezzzz old is bad. There was a lot of
playing around with ration way back. Best to start with the original
suggested recommendation with the given prop combination.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of QSS
Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 12:19 AM
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: Warp drive hub.
Hi Guy, can anyone tell me if a 68inch Warp Drive 3 blade prop
will match up with an NSI gear box. Im not sure about the gear ratio of
the NSI but I have been told they are 2.5 to 1 for the EA81 engine. I
was going to purchase a Bolly carbon fibre prop but the Warp Drive was
offered to me for half price so its a good deal if it fits OK. If
someone with could tell me which way to go it would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
Regards
Graeme
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| Subject: | Re: kitfox spar damage |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com>
You will need to sawsall the old spars to get the ribs out, have fun.
--------
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kitfox4 1200 912ul speedster
http://www.frappr.com/kitfoxmike
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| Subject: | Re: kitfox spar damage |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com>
lets see here, you can keep the ribs to cross pipes together for the most part.
You know, tear it down is sections and basically slip them right over the new
spars. drill out all the rivets match them in place to the new spars and rivet.
Should be pretty easy. You will need to figure what your going to do with
the center thing amagigies in the spars at mid way. You could remove the old
ones and turn them around and reinstall in the new spars or just buy new ones.
Other than that, the wing is pretty simple to build. Get the latest on the
plans for building the wings.
I would say the only things you need to buy are the spars, rivets, and maybe the
inserts, and some hysol. build some saw horses for construction.
--------
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| Subject: | Re: The "Claw" tie down |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Thanks for the post, David. At the Rans fly-in at West Desert Airpark in
Utah, I saw my first one being used by one of the local Rans guys. For
other reasons I wasn't too impressed, but this is the kicker for sure.
I made up a set of a similar idea that would apparently not have the
fragile arm issue
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 11:17 AM
On Thursday at the Sentemental Journey Fly-In at LockHaven, Pennsylvania (
LHV ) we had a severe thunderstorm and at the time there were around 180
lite aircraft tied down on the airfield. 3 of the 7 airplanes that had
damaged were tied down with the " Claw " One of the claw arms that was
holding a J-3 Cub broke, and the other calw tiedowns came out of the ground.
Mabee I was just lucky but my Kitfox was tied down with screw in type tie
downs.
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| Subject: | Re: Warp drive hub. |
MessageGraeme:
I know nothing about the model number. My plane has a 70 inch Ward
Drive Prop which has been shortened about 1/2" because of a
ground-strike I was careless enough to make. I would first quote Tony
Bingelis, the guru who has written several books on experimental
building, when he says "Use as long a prop as you can for as long as you
can". Having said that, you can always put enough pirch into the prop
to keep the engine from over-revving. I cannot say what effect that
would have on your climb rate or your cruise speed, however. It goes
without saying that anything you gain on climb, you lose on cruise, and
vice-versa. I wish I could tell you more, but this is the sum total of
my knowledge about props.
Clem Nichols
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To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Warp drive hub.
Unfortunately the manual I have for this gear box does not state the
gear ratio but the model number is NSI A12/A30 or at least thats what
the cover says. If this is the model you are referring to Clem, do you
feel the 68 inch Warp Drive would be OK. Kirk has been advised that this
is the correct size for his Status EA81 but he didnt say what gear box
he is running. I will be interested to hear how his first flight went.
Regards
Graeme Toft
Queensland Safety Solutions
Ph: 07 49397011
Mob: 0411476527
----- Original Message -----
From: Clem Nichols
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 8:45 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Warp drive hub.
It's my understanding that if the builder did not specify otherwise,
the standard prop reduction ratio was 2.34 to 1 with the NSI EA81
non-turbo engine.
Clem Nichols
----- Original Message -----
From: wingsdown
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 9:17 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Warp drive hub.
Correction 2:X:1 not 3, gezzzz old is bad. There was a lot of
playing around with ration way back. Best to start with the original
suggested recommendation with the given prop combination.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of QSS
Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 12:19 AM
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: Warp drive hub.
Hi Guy, can anyone tell me if a 68inch Warp Drive 3 blade prop
will match up with an NSI gear box. Im not sure about the gear ratio of
the NSI but I have been told they are 2.5 to 1 for the EA81 engine. I
was going to purchase a Bolly carbon fibre prop but the Warp Drive was
offered to me for half price so its a good deal if it fits OK. If
someone with could tell me which way to go it would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
Regards
Graeme
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| Subject: | Re: kitfox spar damage |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Not to disparage any of the previous posts on the spar repair - I am in
agreement with the "bad repair" group. As previously posted, but I
attended a Rans fly-in in Utah over the weekend at a build assist center
there, and I was amazed at the number of holes drilled through the spars
etc. - big holes. I sure like the kitfox - avid design.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 11:35 AM
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
> <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>
> Hi Dave,
>
>> Does anyone think this would work?
>
> No!!!
>
>> The second spar is dented at the jury strut attach
>> point. There's a slight bend to the spar....
>
> SkyStar didnt even allow scratches on the spar, and
> with good reason. The spars flex like bending coat
> hangars. If undamaged, they will flex a long time
> without breaking. But if damaged, even scratched,
> they will fail much sooner, like a coat hangar would.
>
> If you took an empty can and stacked bricks on it, the
> can would hold up quite a few without crunching. But
> if you cut open one side, only a few bricks would
> flatten it. Same with that spliced spar. A very weak
> fix. It is doomed!
>
> Sorry,
>
> kurt S.
>
> __________________________________________________
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: The "Claw" tie down |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
What I didn't like about the claw is that the spikes are driven toward the
center of the circle. It seemed to me that heavy enough lifting could
simply lift a cone of earth out. I would likd the design better if the
spikes were driven outward, increasing the circumference of the spiked area.
Loewll
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 5:20 PM
The two that I saw looked like these. They were ripped completely out of the
ground. Larry Huntley
----- Original Message -----
From: Rexster
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 7:57 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: The "Claw" tie down
Hi Guys,
I have one of the ones that Spruce sells and it's worked well for me in
some of Oshkosh's nasty storms. It sure is a heavy package though. Is this
the same Claw that three of seven damaged aircraft were using or is it a
different one?
Rex Phelps in Michigan
-- Dan Billingsley <dan@azshowersolutions.com> wrote:
Kirk,
I thought that was the case when I heard "claw" ...I was mistaken. This is
the one that Spruce sells.
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pspages/claw.php
The EAA one as you mentioned is what I am going to make...
http://www.vintageaircraft.org/magazine/aircraft_tiedown.pdf
For more info this is what EAA has to say about tie downs:
http://www.airventure.org/2006/planning/tying_down.html
Dan
kirk hull <kirkhull@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
when you say " Claw " is that the one that the EAA has plans for one
the osh websight? it is kind of a flat plate with a U bolt in the middle
and 3 holes to drive stakes through.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of David McCormick
Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 1:17 PM
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: The "Claw" tie down
On Thursday at the Sentemental Journey Fly-In at LockHaven,
Pennsylvania ( LHV ) we had a severe thunderstorm and at the time there were
around 180 lite aircraft tied down on the airfield. 3 of the 7 airplanes
that had damaged were tied down with the " Claw " One of the claw arms that
was holding a J-3 Cub broke, and the other calw tiedowns came out of the
ground. Mabee I was just lucky but my Kitfox was tied down with screw in
type tie downs.
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| Subject: | Re: Camera Mount (was) tires |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Thanks for the "horrible" report, but you really don't know what you are
talking about and the only way you will change my mind is to make one, shoot
some video and let me see it.
Actually, I have experimented with servos and with the budget I have and
what is out there - they don't work. I talked to a guy over the weekend
that is working on a still camera system and for that they will work fine,
for video, even with 5 pole digital servos you will see the pulse of the
step movement in a slow pan. I guess you can essentially filter this out
with stabilizing gyros, but then you are talking some bucks.
Being always willing to learn something new - do prove me wrong. If you
work for the government on secret weapons systems all bets are off, but if
you can prove me wrong with common off the shelf servos, I am all ears -
eyes.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 12:40 AM
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "dominique"
> <dominiquefrenchman@hotmail.com>
>
> The mount itself is nice, but the cable control system is horrible. The
> use of electric servos would have made the system much lighter, less drag,
> and would have been 100 times easier to install without the need to cut
> holes in the plane.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=42477#42477
>
>
>
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| Subject: | fiberglass tank sealing/Poly-tanks |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
I have already talked to an old friend who once started a rotomold company.
He still has some ownership in it and was very informative. There are two
companies with the ability to make the tanks locally, but I'm to busy to
make the mold for now, and that is the expense. Ron NB Ore
>From: "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Kitfox-List: fiberglass tank sealing
>Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 13:53:06 -0300
>
>There was a thread a couple of weeks back about sealing small holes in
>fiberglass tanks.
>
>Of course Kreem is still available, I'm told it was used at least for a
>while by the factory. I found this product:
>
>http://www.caswellplating.com/aids/epoxygas.htm
>
>Which appears interesting. I think poly tanks are the answer. If only we
>could find some enterprising individual to step up and get some blown for
>us.
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| Subject: | Volkswagon Conversion |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
Ken I'm waiting for AW inspection so no results other than static thrust 370
lbs. 1915cc VW, 1.6:1 redrive, 72" Ivo. Where Are you located? Ron NB
Ore
>From: "Ken Arnold" <arno7452@bellsouth.net>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Volkswagon Conversion
>Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 22:11:42 -0400
>
>Dear Listers,
>I am looking at Kitfox Classic IV 1200 project with VW engine. What think
>you about using VW engine for this plane? I have no experience and scant
>knowledge of this power plant.
>Many thanks,
>Ken
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| Subject: | Re: windshield thickness |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
I was digging through my paperwork and found where Skystar had once offered
free rplacements of the 1/8 winshields with .093. They determined 1/8 was
to thick. Ron NB Or
>From: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com>
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: windshield thickness
>Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 16:02:30 -0700
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com>
>
>I had 1/8 until this weekend. Seems the hot weather took its tole. Last
>night around 7 I went out the airplane and found a big crack from the wing
>on down. I was in Richland and Jeremy at Titan was there to help me and we
>took and put a strip of aluminum down the window and rivited it together to
>get me home. Very cool. One fella wanted to duck tape the window, I
>didn't like that at all. I took and removed the windscreen today and
>tomorrow will be getting some .093. I believe the 1/8 is just to thick.
>
>--------
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>kitfox4 1200 912ul speedster
>http://www.frappr.com/kitfoxmike
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=42991#42991
>
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| Subject: | Re: Volkswagon Conversion |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clint Bazzill" <clint_bazzill@hotmail.com>
My 2 cents worth. Before you spend a small fortune and what seems like a
lifetime installing an engine in a Kitfox, spend time doing some riding.
You can read all you want and all these engines are the answer to your
prayers. They are heavy, they claim all kinds of neat things. If you want
to find out the engines that people don't like, then look in the for sale
adds, they are all over the place. Not too many Rotax powered Kitfoxes and
almost all of them are powered with these. My 2 cents worth. Clint 1100
hours on 912ULS and please do not make me compare my wife to my airplane,
there different. Clint
Ken,
What size is the VW? I am installing a Great Plains 2276 with a 1:6/1 Re
drive in my series 7. This engine is said to put out 100+ HP on take off and
80+ HP continuous cruise. At approx. 175# you can't match that HP/weight
ratio with any other auto conversion engine. Plus there are no gear boxes to
mess with and the parts and technical help is readily available. This is a
very simple engine that looks to be nearly bullet proof. Sonex uses their
own version of the VW in their planes and from what I hear the customers are
very happy. I think it also depends on what you expect from your plane. This
is just my humble opinion based on my research. Check the Great Plains
website if you desire more info..
Regards,
Gary Olson
Ken Arnold <arno7452@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Dear Listers,
I am looking at Kitfox Classic IV 1200 project with VW engine. What
think you about using VW engine for this plane? I have no experience and
scant knowledge of this power plant.
Many thanks,
Ken
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| Subject: | Re: Camera Mount (was) tires Servos... |
In a message dated 6/25/2006 9:44:37 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
lcfitt@sbcglobal.net writes:
Thanks for the "horrible" report, but you really don't know what you are
talking about and the only way you will change my mind is to make one, shoot
some video and let me see it.
Actually, I have experimented with servos and with the budget I have and
what is out there - they don't work. I talked to a guy over the weekend
that is working on a still camera system and for that they will work fine,
for video, even with 5 pole digital servos you will see the pulse of the
step movement in a slow pan. I guess you can essentially filter this out
with stabilizing gyros, but then you are talking some bucks.
Being always willing to learn something new - do prove me wrong. If you
work for the government on secret weapons systems all bets are off, but if
you can prove me wrong with common off the shelf servos, I am all ears -
eyes.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 12:40 AM
Actually that's what I do for a living....radio control... here are a few
ideas.
Do not use pole motor servos, use coreless, and a quality one at that. For
camera panning, I would think torque is better than speed. At least 150 inch
ounces. You can now get servos well over 300 inch ounces. If you choose
Hitec, buy the programmer and set dead band to min. Another thing, try not get
a
huge amount of sweep of camera, but set max throws on servos. This is a very
common mistake. Set throws to 150% each way. This alone will make a dramatic
difference.
Having never done it, I still think it can work.
Friction is a big no no. That will make the panning sticky.....
Call me if you need some help
Dave
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| Subject: | kitfox spar damage |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
Dave I'm the guy that would do or fly anything to save a buck, BUT.... I
vote replacing the spars. While flying my Avid a model which is the
predeccessor to the Kitfox, I often tell the passenger to watch the leading
edge. When I pull back on the stick it bends up, and then down on the
negative g. Then they understand the concept of the wing removal tool.
That spar would not tolerate the way I fly, or the unexpected turbulance
often encountered. Sorry Ron NB Ore.
>From: "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Kitfox-List: kitfox spar damage
>Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 12:27:30 -0300
>
>I have two damaged spars which I'm still working on removing. The previous
>owner started repairs and the workmanship is good, I'm just doubtful of the
>whole concept.
>
>The rear spar in one wing is cut and spliced just a bit before the insert
>stops between ribs 7 and 8. The front spars appears fine. I've attached a
>photo of the splice. It has a sleeve over it and I think it has an
>extension of the insert inside. It looks like they riveted a plate on the
>insert web and used part of another insert as an extension. No photos of
>that, it's hard enough to decide what I'm looking at down there.
>
>Does anyone think this would work?
>
>The second spar is dented at the jury strut attach point. There's a slight
>bend to the spar starting at this dent, I've not yet measured it, it looks
>like about 1/2" bow. I expect the only advice I will get is that it must be
>replaced, but I'll ask anyway. Pictures are attached I hope.
><< wing004r.jpg >>
><< wing7r.jpg >>
><< wing010.jpg >>
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| Subject: | Re: Camera Mount (was) tires |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
Poor Lowell, everyones a critic. I thought it was complex and cool. My
video mount was a stationary aluminum angle mount pinned to the tail. Poor
video quality as well since I used my digital camera for video footage.
Check out Lazair.com under the Kitfox vids, but promise not to laugh at me.
Definately not goverment funded, just fun. Ron NB Ore
>From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Camera Mount (was) tires
>Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 19:41:51 -0700
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>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>
>Thanks for the "horrible" report, but you really don't know what you are
>talking about and the only way you will change my mind is to make one,
>shoot some video and let me see it.
>
>Actually, I have experimented with servos and with the budget I have and
>what is out there - they don't work. I talked to a guy over the weekend
>that is working on a still camera system and for that they will work fine,
>for video, even with 5 pole digital servos you will see the pulse of the
>step movement in a slow pan. I guess you can essentially filter this out
>with stabilizing gyros, but then you are talking some bucks.
>
>Being always willing to learn something new - do prove me wrong. If you
>work for the government on secret weapons systems all bets are off, but if
>you can prove me wrong with common off the shelf servos, I am all ears -
>eyes.
>
>Lowell
>----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 12:40 AM
>
>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "dominique"
>><dominiquefrenchman@hotmail.com>
>>
>>The mount itself is nice, but the cable control system is horrible. The
>>use of electric servos would have made the system much lighter, less drag,
>>and would have been 100 times easier to install without the need to cut
>>holes in the plane.
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>>Read this topic online here:
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>>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=42477#42477
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| Subject: | Volkswagon Conversion |
Hi Ken,I have a vw on my kitfox IV ...it is a type 1 2280 and develops 82hp,this
engine was origanly built by Mosler and offered through Great planes,so far
I am impressed with the power,I have my I.A. finishing up my new weight &balance,
so I still have yet to log time on my bird,but the guy I bought it from had
30hrs on this engine since new and he was impressed with the power and fuel
burn at 3.2g an hr.I will be happy to post all my results on the performance and
specs I record during my test flights for all you guys who might be interested....anyways
happy landings..............
Mark
PS I hope to be up and flying some time next weekend..
----- Original Message -----
Sent: 6/24/2006 10:20:23 PM
Dear Listers,
I am looking at Kitfox Classic IV 1200 project with VW engine. What think you
about using VW engine for this plane? I have no experience and scant knowledge
of this power plant.
Many thanks,
Ken
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| Subject: | Re: kitfox spar damage |
Dave,
If you were seriously considering keeping that wing, get help from a structural
engineer. The engineer would then have to do a load analysis on that section
of wing, determine what kind of repair/material is needed and then determine
if the present repair is adequate. (I can see the dollar signs)
Personally, I would be ordering new spars right about now.
Bonne Chance,
Doug Remoundos
Montreal
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 12:27:30 -0300
I have two damaged spars which I'm still working on removing. The previous owner
started repairs and the workmanship is good, I'm just doubtful of the whole
concept.
The rear spar in one wing is cut and spliced just a bit before the insert stops
between ribs 7 and 8. The front spars appears fine. I've attached a photo of
the splice. It has a sleeve over it and I think it has an extension of the insert
inside. It looks like they riveted a plate on the insert web and used part
of another insert as an extension. No photos of that, it's hard enough to decide
what I'm looking at down there.
Does anyone think this would work?
The second spar is dented at the jury strut attach point. There's a slight bend
to the spar starting at this dent, I've not yet measured it, it looks like about
1/2" bow. I expect the only advice I will get is that it must be replaced,
but I'll ask anyway. Pictures are attached I hope.
Attached Image: wing_004_r.jpg
[Image removed]
Attached Image: wing_7r.jpg
[Image removed]
Attached Image: wing_010.jpg
[Image removed]
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