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1. 01:50 AM - Re: 912s vs. Jabiru 3300? (Michel Verheughe)
2. 01:54 AM - Re: DAR Inspection (Michel Verheughe)
3. 03:06 AM - Re: DAR Inspection (John Anderson)
4. 05:38 AM - Re: 912s vs. Jabiru 3300? (John Anderson)
5. 06:00 AM - Re: 912s vs. Jabiru 3300? (W Duke)
6. 06:24 AM - Re: 912s vs. Jabiru 3300? (Michel Verheughe)
7. 06:57 AM - Re: Jackson Fly-In (jeff puls)
8. 07:28 AM - Re: 912s vs. Jabiru 3300? (Lowell Fitt)
9. 07:36 AM - Re: DAR Inspection (Lowell Fitt)
10. 07:40 AM - Re: 912s vs. Jabiru 3300? (Lowell Fitt)
11. 09:45 AM - Re: DAR Inspection (jdmcbean)
12. 09:45 AM - Re: 912s vs. Jabiru 3300? (jdmcbean)
13. 09:52 AM - Re: 912s vs. Jabiru 3300? (Michel Verheughe)
14. 10:17 AM - Re: DAR Inspection (ron schick)
15. 10:56 AM - Re: 912s vs. Jabiru 3300? (kitfoxmike)
16. 11:07 AM - Re: DAR Inspection (kurt schrader)
17. 11:10 AM - Re: Carlisle Tires WAS: Re: Taiwan tyres (kurt schrader)
18. 11:34 AM - Re: Carlisle Tires WAS: Re: Taiwan tyres (flier)
19. 11:47 AM - Re: Jackson Fly-In (kurt schrader)
20. 12:01 PM - Re: 912s vs. Jabiru 3300? (kurt schrader)
21. 12:37 PM - Re: 582 - compression test Eric Tucker said no (Marco Menezes)
22. 02:55 PM - Re: Jackson Fly-In (Lynn Matteson)
23. 02:57 PM - Re: Jackson Fly-In (Lynn Matteson)
24. 03:08 PM - Re: 912s vs. Jabiru 3300? (darinh)
25. 05:11 PM - Re: Re: 912s vs. Jabiru 3300? (Clint Bazzill)
26. 05:14 PM - Re: 912s vs. Jabiru 3300? (Lowell Fitt)
27. 05:59 PM - Re: 912s vs. Jabiru 3300? (Roger Standley)
28. 06:33 PM - Re: 912s vs. Jabiru 3300? (kitfoxmike)
29. 07:23 PM - Re: 912s vs. Jabiru 3300? (Lowell Fitt)
30. 07:23 PM - 912 vs Jabiru (jeff puls)
31. 07:23 PM - Re: Jackson Fly-In (jeff puls)
32. 07:25 PM - Re: Jackson Fly-In (jeff puls)
33. 07:47 PM - Re: 912s vs. Jabiru 3300? (Clint Bazzill)
34. 08:38 PM - Re: Jackson Fly-In (Richard Rabbers)
35. 08:40 PM - Re: 912s vs. Jabiru 3300? (darinh)
36. 08:57 PM - Re: Re: 912s vs. Jabiru 3300? (Clint Bazzill)
37. 09:17 PM - Re: Trim servo (AMuller589@aol.com)
38. 09:44 PM - Re: 912s vs. Jabiru 3300? (darinh)
39. 09:45 PM - Re: 912 vs Jabiru (darinh)
40. 10:05 PM - Re: DAR Inspection (Guy Buchanan)
41. 11:32 PM - Official Kitfox-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
42. 11:34 PM - Official Kitfox-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | Re: 912s vs. Jabiru 3300? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
On Jul 1, 2006, at 6:29 AM, darinh wrote:
> All comments welcome.
I have a Jabiru 2200, Darin, and I am extremely pleased with it. I have
also been for two years on the Yahoo Jabiru list and I hear a lot about
the 3300. So far no noticeable complain from the owners. Mind you, the
2200 is so-called third generation engine and the 3300 is newer.
I also like the direct drive, air-cooled principle. In my mind, less is
more. What doesn't exist, can't brake down.
One thing, though: If you intend to have a complex propeller like
in-flight pitch adjustable, the Jabiru may not be the best choice
because, as I understand it, the direct drive transmits engine harmonic
vibrations to the prop.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: DAR Inspection |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
On Jul 1, 2006, at 6:48 AM, Guy Buchanan wrote:
> After 13 years of construction, N125TY was signed off today by John
> Shablow, DAR. I'm ready to go flying! Look for more updates in the
> next week or so. (I've got to screw up my courage, as well as my
> abilities.)
Very good looking plane, Guy. Don't worry, when you'll push the
throttle and take off for the first time, your anxiety will turn in
pure euphoria that you will never forget!
When you will taxi for your first take-off, you will be nervous and
scared like hell. That's normal, very few pilots who are never scared
are still alive today. But once you have lined up and push the
throttle, you heartbeat will slow down, you will be the Pilot In
Command, and you will do what pilots do; make love to you aircraft.
Enjoy it!
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: 912s vs. Jabiru 3300? |
As I was considering engines, Frank Miller at Skystar suggested to me that the
rpm required to get the rated HP on the Jabiru limits prop diameter and therefore
short field performance somewhat. I ended up with the Continental IO240 and
I am pleased. That being said, the guys who actually have Jabirus on Foxes
like them a lot. I have hac 2 friends with Titans and they loved the 4 cylinder
Jab.
Maxwell
darinh <gerns25@netscape.net> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "darinh"
I am trying to make a decision between the 912s and the Jabiru 3300 for my series
7 and would like any and all comments or thoughts on either one. If anyone
has experience with both, their comments would be greatly appreciated. I like
the fact that the Jabiru doesn't have a gearbox and has 20 more hp. I also like
the fact that it has a longer TBO and the cost of that overhaul is substantially
less than the Rotax. The Jabiru is a bit heavier but not much so the weight
to hp ratio is about the same. I have owned a 912UL and I know they are bulletproof
(at least mine was), but...
All comments welcome.
Thanks, Darin
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| Subject: | Re: 912s vs. Jabiru 3300? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
On Jul 1, 2006, at 2:59 PM, W Duke wrote:
> rpm required to get the rated HP on the Jabiru limits prop diameter
> and therefore short field performance somewhat.
That is true. I was told that direct drives deliver lesser torque and
hence can't spin a large prop. Mine is 60 by 38 inches and only two
blades. I get off the ground as fast as with the 582 but most probably
not as with a 912. With 2,400 ft of asphalt, at sea level, in a "cold"
country, short field performance was not an issue for me.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Jackson Fly-In |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jeff puls" <pulsair@mindspring.com>
Lynn,
Anything you have. I was going to fly up there but my wife was diagnosed
with cancer. We have been doing the chemo radiation thing. My Fox went out
of annual. Jeff
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 10:12 PM
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>
> I've got a few, Jeff...what are you looking for, just general shots or
> what?
>
> Lynn
> On Sunday, June 25, 2006, at 05:30 PM, jeff puls wrote:
>
>> Anyone take any photos of the Jackson Fly-In that was held June 11? Jeff
>> Classic IV
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List
> http://wiki.matronics.com
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 912s vs. Jabiru 3300? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Darinh,
I just checked the Jabiru website and they do claim a 2000 hour TBO. What I
wonder about that is Rotax increased their TBOs stepwise as they gained
experience with the engines. My thought is that because the Jabiru engines
are fairly new by Rotax standards, I doubt there are many Jabs that have
reached TBO. I wonder how they got their numbers.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 9:29 PM
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net>
>
> I am trying to make a decision between the 912s and the Jabiru 3300 for my
> series 7 and would like any and all comments or thoughts on either one.
> If anyone has experience with both, their comments would be greatly
> appreciated. I like the fact that the Jabiru doesn't have a gearbox and
> has 20 more hp. I also like the fact that it has a longer TBO and the
> cost of that overhaul is substantially less than the Rotax. The Jabiru is
> a bit heavier but not much so the weight to hp ratio is about the same. I
> have owned a 912UL and I know they are bulletproof (at least mine was),
> but...
>
> All comments welcome.
>
> Thanks, Darin
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=44086#44086
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: DAR Inspection |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Guy,
It looks very nice, congratulations.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 9:48 PM
> Hi all,
> After 13 years of construction, N125TY was signed off today by
> John Shablow, DAR. I'm ready to go flying! Look for more updates in the
> next week or so. (I've got to screw up my courage, as well as my
> abilities.)
>
>
> Guy Buchanan
> K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: 912s vs. Jabiru 3300? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Jon,
I feel exactly the opposite as do all the guys I fly with and the 30 Rotax
912 series aircraft at the Rans fly-in in Utah last weekend. I am curious
about specifics. You gave us an opinion - how about the reasons for your
opinion.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 10:35 PM
>I have a Kitfox IV with a 912 ULS and I'll hopefully never own another
> aircraft with a Rotax! I
> Go with the Jabiru.
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Congrats Guy !!! It's a great feeling.
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
208.337.5111
www.kitfoxaircraft.com www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Guy Buchanan
Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 10:48 PM
Hi all,
After 13 years of construction, N125TY was signed off today by
John Shablow, DAR. I'm ready to go flying! Look for more updates in the
next week or so. (I've got to screw up my courage, as well as my abilities.)
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | 912s vs. Jabiru 3300? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
If I remember correctly.. the Jab is a 1000 hour top and a 2000 hour
bottom...
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
208.337.5111
www.kitfoxaircraft.com www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt
Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 8:28 AM
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Darinh,
I just checked the Jabiru website and they do claim a 2000 hour TBO. What I
wonder about that is Rotax increased their TBOs stepwise as they gained
experience with the engines. My thought is that because the Jabiru engines
are fairly new by Rotax standards, I doubt there are many Jabs that have
reached TBO. I wonder how they got their numbers.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 9:29 PM
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net>
>
> I am trying to make a decision between the 912s and the Jabiru 3300 for my
> series 7 and would like any and all comments or thoughts on either one.
> If anyone has experience with both, their comments would be greatly
> appreciated. I like the fact that the Jabiru doesn't have a gearbox and
> has 20 more hp. I also like the fact that it has a longer TBO and the
> cost of that overhaul is substantially less than the Rotax. The Jabiru is
> a bit heavier but not much so the weight to hp ratio is about the same. I
> have owned a 912UL and I know they are bulletproof (at least mine was),
> but...
>
> All comments welcome.
>
> Thanks, Darin
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=44086#44086
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 912s vs. Jabiru 3300? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
On Jul 1, 2006, at 4:27 PM, Lowell Fitt wrote:
> My thought is that because the Jabiru engines are fairly new by Rotax
> standards, I doubt there are many Jabs that have reached TBO. I
> wonder how they got their numbers.
Good point, Lowell, and I have been wondering about the same. But
first, while TBO is 2,000 hours, the engine needs a cylinder head
service at 1,000. So, it's not 2,000 hours with only changing the oil
and filter. Then, I understand that the engine is certified in
Australia. I don't know all the mumbo-jumbo of what is certified and
what is not, but I think that their TBO is not only marketing stuff but
controlled by a stately aviation authority.
Well, with my 132 hours, I still have some time to go before I need to
worry about TBO! :-)
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
Congrads! Now it is 100% and still tinkering. Ron NB Ore
>From: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com, Buck & Jo Buchanan <buckajo@cox.net>
>Subject: Kitfox-List: DAR Inspection
>Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 21:48:21 -0700
>
>Hi all,
> After 13 years of construction, N125TY was signed off today by
>John Shablow, DAR. I'm ready to go flying! Look for more updates in the
>next week or so. (I've got to screw up my courage, as well as my
>abilities.)
>
>
>Guy Buchanan
>K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
><< Cheesecakesmall.jpg >>
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| Subject: | Re: 912s vs. Jabiru 3300? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com>
Yup, with 700hrs. on mine, without a complaint. All I do is oil changes and put
the dreaded fuel in the tanks. What's suppose to be wrong with them.
--------
kitfoxmike
kitfox4 1200 912ul speedster
http://www.frappr.com/kitfoxmike
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| Subject: | Re: DAR Inspection |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
What's that? Two years to make it fly and 11 to make
it look that good??? :-) I suspect it will fly on
pride and use lift as a backup.
If you practice fly your first flight on the ground
sitting in the cockpit and drill yourself on all the
emergencies until you can do everything cold, your
first flight will be so easy you'll actually hate to
land. Make it an easy flight. Practice what you
intend to do. Practice what you might have to do.
Leave time to enjoy it. Then just go do it.
I stayed scared for 40 hours. Now I miss testing!
The maneuverability is so aw-sum that you will want to
try more things on every flight, so plan for the must
do's, and then add a few fun things for each test.
You're gonna' love it.
Kurt S.
--- Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
> After 13 years of construction, N125TY was
> signed off today by
> John Shablow, DAR. I'm ready to go flying! Look for
> more updates in the
> next week or so. (I've got to screw up my courage,
> as well as my abilities.)
>
>
> Guy Buchanan
> K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 99.9% done, thanks mostly
> to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: Carlisle Tires WAS: Re: Taiwan tyres |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
No Ted, that is not the one. It looks even better!
Seems worth the price fer sher.
Kurt S.
--- flier <flier@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Hey Kurt,
>
> It's this one...
>
>
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=34552
>
> I've use it to do the 'Fox, ATVs, and trailer tires.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ted
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| Subject: | Re: Carlisle Tires WAS: Re: Taiwan tyres |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" <flier@sbcglobal.net>
It works pretty good Kurt. There's always a little technique in changing a
tire but it'll break beads and make removing tires from the rims pretty
straight forward. I just mounted mine to a 3x3 piece of heavy plywood as a
base.
Regards,
Ted
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of kurt
schrader
Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 1:10 PM
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
<smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
No Ted, that is not the one. It looks even better!
Seems worth the price fer sher.
Kurt S.
--- flier <flier@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Hey Kurt,
>
> It's this one...
>
>
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=34552
>
> I've use it to do the 'Fox, ATVs, and trailer tires.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ted
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| Subject: | Re: Jackson Fly-In |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Sorry to hear that Jeff,
Went thru the same thing in 90-93. Give her the
anti-nausia meds before she needs them. Later is too
late.
My wife finally "passed her annual" in 93 and then I
could think about building and flying again.
Stick with it. We are with you.
Kurt S.
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--- jeff puls <pulsair@mindspring.com> wrote:
> Lynn,
> I was going to fly up there but my wife was
diagnosed with cancer. We have been doing the chemo
radiation thing. My Fox went out of annual.
Jeff
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| Subject: | Re: 912s vs. Jabiru 3300? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Hi Darin,
I was very close to buying the #4 Jabber 3300, but it
was just too much risk for me at the time. The
factory was not ready to support installation in the
KF yet. Got the Soob with the whole package instead.
Today I would support the Jabber very strongly. The
installation, except for cooling ducts, is very simple
and easy to maintain afterwords. Look at any of the
other planes with a 3300 in them and you would be
impressed as to how simple it can be. The 6 cylinder
will be smoother than the 4 Rotax. Overall costs
should be lower than the Rotax, who's parts keep going
up a lot to me.
I have heard nothing seriously bad about the Jabbers
in years. Just use the right prop. They don't handle
heavy props well. But the Rotax has the problems
often talked about on our site. Thrown carbs, shaking
start, cracks and stuff. It just makes me think the
Jabber is a bit better.
Only if you need the short field performance of the
long props on Rotax are they the better bet in my
book.
Kurt S.
--- darinh <gerns25@netscape.net> wrote:
> I am trying to make a decision between the 912s and
> the Jabiru 3300 for my series 7 and would like any
> and all comments or thoughts on either one. If
> anyone has experience with both, their comments
> would be greatly appreciated. I like the fact that
> the Jabiru doesn't have a gearbox and has 20 more
> hp. I also like the fact that it has a longer TBO
> and the cost of that overhaul is substantially less
> than the Rotax. The Jabiru is a bit heavier but not
> much so the weight to hp ratio is about the same. I
> have owned a 912UL and I know they are bulletproof
> (at least mine was), but...
>
> All comments welcome.
>
> Thanks, Darin
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| Subject: | Re: 582 - compression test Eric Tucker said no |
Thanks Mal and everyone else who replied. Tested today. Both cylinders show 150
psi.
do not archive
Malcolmbru@aol.com wrote:
Yes Eric tucker said NO nothing special is needed to keep the cdi from burning
up on a simple compreshion test. malcolm
Marco Menezes
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| Subject: | Re: Jackson Fly-In |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Jeff-
I just sent...or am sending...the pics now...this will take some time
to download...about 345KB's worth.
Lynn
On Saturday, July 1, 2006, at 09:56 AM, jeff puls wrote:
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>
> Lynn,
> Anything you have. I was going to fly up there but my wife was
> diagnosed with cancer. We have been doing the chemo radiation thing.
> My Fox went out of annual. Jeff
> ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 10:12 PM
>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>>
>> I've got a few, Jeff...what are you looking for, just general shots
>> or what?
>>
>> Lynn
>> On Sunday, June 25, 2006, at 05:30 PM, jeff puls wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone take any photos of the Jackson Fly-In that was held June 11?
>>> Jeff Classic IV
>>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
I hope they make it Jeff....the Kodak program usually puts up a DONE!
window, but not this time, so maybe they didn't make it...let me know.
Lynn
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| Subject: | Re: 912s vs. Jabiru 3300? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net>
I spoke with Pete at USJabiru and he did state that the engine requires a top overhaul
at 1000 ($1700 parts and labor) and a complete overhaul at 2000 ($5500
parts and labor). The cost for overhaul on the Jabiru is significantly cheaper
than the Rotax.
I have heard about the prop issue which for me may be the major deciding factor.
I live in Utah and I try to stay away from pavement as much as possible and
take every chance I get to get into the short strips in Idaho. I don't see why
an in-flight adjustable would be a problem though. These engines are direct
drive just like a lycosaurus or continental and they have CS props all the time,
granted most in the 120 range have fixed. If this engine doesn't have the
torque down low in the rpm range it seems to me that an in-flight adjustable
would be the perfect fit as you could decrease pitch on take off to allow the
engine to reach its peak rpm. I don't want to add the weight of a CS prop and
governor so that is out of the question but I very much want to have the ability
to increase pitch during flight to get better cruise speed. I have an emial
into USJabiru on the subject and will post it when it comes.
I received my AOPA Pilot mag yesterday and they have a little piece on the 3300
in the "engine talk" section so I will review that and see if it has any pointers.
I also learned that the Certified Legend Cub has an option for the Jabiru
3300 so the engine must have gained certification in the states. Lastly, someone
mentioned that they were curious if Jabiru had many engines that had gone
to TBO. I don't know the answer but it is my understanding that they have
been building engines for 14 or 15 years now so my guess is that they have had
plenty go that long.
I am very interested by the engine for the extra power and the simplicity of it
being direct drive an all...but I loved my last 912 and if I can't put an IFA
prop on the Jab, I think it will be an easy choice. Thanks for all the comments,
and suggestions and keep them coming if anyone has any more.
Darin
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| Subject: | Re: 912s vs. Jabiru 3300? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 11:59 AM
I just got out of a poor man's Sauna - mowed my lawn in 93 degree heat, in
the sun of course, and no sign of any snow to through myself into. Oh,
Well.
(snip)
But the Rotax has the problems
> often talked about on our site. Thrown carbs, shaking
> start, cracks and stuff. It just makes me think the
> Jabber is a bit better.
My guess is that there are almost 200 Rotax engines represented on the list
and maybe a half dozen Jabirus. I would suspect you would hear more from
the Rotax guys from the shear numbers. That said, most of the cracking and
thrown carbs is due to a design flaw in the Rotax mount. The spacer in
between the rubber donuts was too long. Dumb me, when I was building I
noticed that I could insert a credit card between the rubber ring and the
flange so I shortened the spacer to get a little squish on the rubber - no
cracking here, mount or muffler. Skystar sent out a service letter on that
one.
Actually, my guess is that there is more talk from the Subaru guys trying to
solve problems than the Rotax guys, but of course Subaru is not in the
present equation.
For me, I am happy with the Rotax. It gets me where I want to go, but
again, that said, I'd go with the Jabiru, for this reason. A group of us go
to the Idaho back country each year and it would be fun to have a Jab
powered Fox along to see side by side where the two are as far as
performance is concerned. We all love our engine choices, with one
exception apparently, and a discussion like this only makes the decision
harder. If you want to be a test bed on a Jabiru amid a bunch of Rotax 912
UL and ULSs, go for it.
Lowell
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| Subject: | Re: 912s vs. Jabiru 3300? |
You know, Lowell, John McB would love for you to build a Classic IV with
a Jabiru. You could probably build it in less than a year. You could
take it on your "back-country" trips next summer! Have you (or anyone
else out there) considered an Aero-Lift for your hangar? That way you
could build while having your flying "Fox" hovering over you for
inspiration!
Roger
P.S. Or you could use the Rotec radial and have some fun designing a
cowl to fit the Rotec...Wow! Classic airplane, Classic radial!
----- Original Message -----
From: Lowell Fitt<mailto:lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 5:14 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 912s vs. Jabiru 3300?
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt"
<lcfitt@sbcglobal.net<mailto:lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>>
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 11:59 AM
I just got out of a poor man's Sauna - mowed my lawn in 93 degree
heat, in
the sun of course, and no sign of any snow to through myself into.
Oh,
Well.
(snip)
But the Rotax has the problems
> often talked about on our site. Thrown carbs, shaking
> start, cracks and stuff. It just makes me think the
> Jabber is a bit better.
My guess is that there are almost 200 Rotax engines represented on the
list
and maybe a half dozen Jabirus. I would suspect you would hear more
from
the Rotax guys from the shear numbers. That said, most of the
cracking and
thrown carbs is due to a design flaw in the Rotax mount. The spacer
in
between the rubber donuts was too long. Dumb me, when I was building
I
noticed that I could insert a credit card between the rubber ring and
the
flange so I shortened the spacer to get a little squish on the rubber
- no
cracking here, mount or muffler. Skystar sent out a service letter on
that
one.
Actually, my guess is that there is more talk from the Subaru guys
trying to
solve problems than the Rotax guys, but of course Subaru is not in the
present equation.
For me, I am happy with the Rotax. It gets me where I want to go, but
again, that said, I'd go with the Jabiru, for this reason. A group of
us go
to the Idaho back country each year and it would be fun to have a Jab
powered Fox along to see side by side where the two are as far as
performance is concerned. We all love our engine choices, with one
exception apparently, and a discussion like this only makes the
decision
harder. If you want to be a test bed on a Jabiru amid a bunch of
Rotax 912
UL and ULSs, go for it.
Lowell
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| Subject: | Re: 912s vs. Jabiru 3300? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com>
wait a minute. Do you even know why those carbs fall off? try because the intake
manifolds are reversed to accomidate the cowling on the model 4's. All you
need to do is do the proper start up and shut down and the carbs will not be
a factor, same for the cracking of the tubes. I don't know if you need to do
the manifolds on the 7 but the manifolds are reversed on the 4's and below.
With them reversed the carbs are shoved further outside of center, thus any shake
of the engine is magnified and causes the carbs to fall off.
--------
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kitfox4 1200 912ul speedster
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| Subject: | Re: 912s vs. Jabiru 3300? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Hi Roger, The rumor I hear is that Kitfox LLC has discontinued the Model IV
to focus on the big airframe. If I did build one it would have to be a
"used" kit. And then I would have to convince myself the Jab would be a
good idea. I prefer someone else doing that - I'd go for another Rotax in a
heart beat..
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 5:56 PM
You know, Lowell, John McB would love for you to build a Classic IV with a
Jabiru. You could probably build it in less than a year. You could take it
on your "back-country" trips next summer! Have you (or anyone else out
there) considered an Aero-Lift for your hangar? That way you could build
while having your flying "Fox" hovering over you for inspiration!
Roger
P.S. Or you could use the Rotec radial and have some fun designing a cowl to
fit the Rotec...Wow! Classic airplane, Classic radial!
----- Original Message -----
From: Lowell Fitt<mailto:lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 5:14 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 912s vs. Jabiru 3300?
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt"
<lcfitt@sbcglobal.net<mailto:lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>>
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 11:59 AM
I just got out of a poor man's Sauna - mowed my lawn in 93 degree heat, in
the sun of course, and no sign of any snow to through myself into. Oh,
Well.
(snip)
But the Rotax has the problems
> often talked about on our site. Thrown carbs, shaking
> start, cracks and stuff. It just makes me think the
> Jabber is a bit better.
My guess is that there are almost 200 Rotax engines represented on the
list
and maybe a half dozen Jabirus. I would suspect you would hear more from
the Rotax guys from the shear numbers. That said, most of the cracking
and
thrown carbs is due to a design flaw in the Rotax mount. The spacer in
between the rubber donuts was too long. Dumb me, when I was building I
noticed that I could insert a credit card between the rubber ring and the
flange so I shortened the spacer to get a little squish on the rubber - no
cracking here, mount or muffler. Skystar sent out a service letter on
that
one.
Actually, my guess is that there is more talk from the Subaru guys trying
to
solve problems than the Rotax guys, but of course Subaru is not in the
present equation.
For me, I am happy with the Rotax. It gets me where I want to go, but
again, that said, I'd go with the Jabiru, for this reason. A group of us
go
to the Idaho back country each year and it would be fun to have a Jab
powered Fox along to see side by side where the two are as far as
performance is concerned. We all love our engine choices, with one
exception apparently, and a discussion like this only makes the decision
harder. If you want to be a test bed on a Jabiru amid a bunch of Rotax
912
UL and ULSs, go for it.
Lowell
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AOPA has a good article this month on the 912, Jabiru and the O-200.
It's an article on comparing the three for use in the LSA's. As a matter
of fact, Van is designing a RV-12 for the LSA market. He has decided to
go with the Rotax 912ULS exclusively. He sells quite a few engines. Good
article. Jeff Classic IV
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| Subject: | Re: Jackson Fly-In |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jeff puls" <pulsair@mindspring.com>
Thanks Kurt. You are right about the meds. Found one that seems to work
pretty well. It is $30 a pill but I don't care. It's hard to see her go
through this. Thanks for the encouragement. Jeff
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 2:47 PM
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
> <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>
> Sorry to hear that Jeff,
>
> Went thru the same thing in 90-93. Give her the
> anti-nausia meds before she needs them. Later is too
> late.
>
> My wife finally "passed her annual" in 93 and then I
> could think about building and flying again.
>
> Stick with it. We are with you.
>
> Kurt S.
>
> Do not archive
>
> --- jeff puls <pulsair@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>> Lynn,
>> I was going to fly up there but my wife was
> diagnosed with cancer. We have been doing the chemo
> radiation thing. My Fox went out of annual.
> Jeff
>
> __________________________________________________
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Jackson Fly-In |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jeff puls" <pulsair@mindspring.com>
Lynn,
Didn't come through. Thanks anyway. Jeff
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 5:58 PM
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>
>
> I hope they make it Jeff....the Kodak program usually puts up a DONE!
> window, but not this time, so maybe they didn't make it...let me know.
>
> Lynn
>
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| Subject: | Re: 912s vs. Jabiru 3300? |
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| Subject: | Re: Jackson Fly-In |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Richard Rabbers" <rira1950@yahoo.com>
Jeff,
Lynn took more photos than I did but here's a shot of him giving us a listen to
his Jabiru.
Best wishes to you and your wife through the challenge.
Bill Willyard suggested a brunch flyin at his base near Jennision MI this fall.
I didn't catch the date but will let you know.
Maybe this can be Kitfox fall gathering.
I hope we can meet up then.
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Richard in SW Michigan
Model 1 / 618 - full-lotus floats (restoration)
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| Subject: | Re: 912s vs. Jabiru 3300? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net>
clint_bazzill(at)hotmail. wrote:
> MY 3 cents worth now.? Again, ride in the airplane with the 3300 and then with
the 912ULS.? You will get your answer in a hurry.? The 3300 is 200 cubin inches,
same as a 0200.? figure it out.? ? Clint? PS don't forget your earplugs.
Clint,
I don't quite follow, are you saying you think it would be a good idea or not?
The Jab may be 200 cubes like the 0200 but it has 20 more horses and weighs about
25 to 30 lbs less. I think is would outperform the 0200 hands down...please
expound on your post if you will. I still would like to find someone who
has experience with both engines, anybody have any contacts...?
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These can also be repaired economically.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net>
Ok, thanks for the clarification. I would love to fly in any Jabiru powered Kitfox
but so far, I believe Michel here on the forums is the only one I know with
the Jabiru and he is in Europe. I have flown in an IO-240 powered Series 5
and it was great but not my choice due to weight...it weighed in at around 950
lbs or so. The only engines I am considering are the 912s and the Jab 3300.
Like I said, I had a 912UL in my last Fox and loved it (by the way, my start
up and shut down were equally as smooth) but have yet to fly behind a 912S.
If I were building a Model IV, there would be no question but it is a hundred
pounds or so lighter than the 7 and was not designed for the cruise that the 7
was designed for (that is not to say it won't cruise along with a 7 with the
rigth prop and engine combo). It is my understanding that the 7 was built with
the 914 in mind and thus the much higher cruise speeds. Well, the 914 is definately
out of the question due to outrageous cost but more than cost is the
complexity of the turbo (I like the KISS approach). I simply want to have a few
more ponies than 100 so I can get a bit more cruise out of the airplane...and
at the same time keep the weight in a reasonable range to allow for good shortfield
performance (300' or so ground roll area). I know the Rotax will do
the trick in the short field category but is a bit slower in cruise. I don't
know if the Jabiru will fit both of the cruise and short field scenarios, hence
the post to see if anyone does.
Thanks guys,
Darin
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net>
Jeff,
I saw this last night but my eyelids were slamming shut on me. I will have to
check it out tonight.
Thanks,
Darin
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| Subject: | Re: DAR Inspection |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
At 11:06 AM 7/1/2006, you wrote:
>What's that? Two years to make it fly and 11 to make
>it look that good??? I suspect it will fly on
>pride and use lift as a backup.
Thanks for all the kind words. Yes, I'm excited, because more and more I'm
thinking I'll do the first flight. Robert Harris was exceedingly kind to me
today, taking me up for an hour or so and even letting me try to land his
O-200 series 5. He's a very brave man. I'm going to get some more hours
this week and do some more taxi tests to ascertain whether the cooling
system's going to work.
Thanks again,
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Official Kitfox-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Kitfox-List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) below. The
complete Kitfox-List FAQ including the Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Kitfox-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
[ Note: This FAQ was designed to be displayed with a fixed width font such as
Courier. Proportional fonts will cause display formatting errors. ]
This FAQ can also be viewed in HTML online at the following address:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm
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******* LIST POLICIES AND FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS *******
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PLEASE READ. This document contains Kitfox-List policies and information
for new and old subscribers. Understanding the Kitfox-List policies will
minimize problems for the Administrator, and will help keep the Kitfox-List
running smoothly for all of us.
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*** Quick Start Guide to List Features ***
******************************************
There are many features available on the Matronics Email Lists and each
one is described in detailed below. However, using the List Navigator
you can quickly access the complete set of features available for this
List. The List Navigator can be found at the following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List
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*** How to Subscribe and Unsubscribe ***
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Simply go to the Web Page shown below and enter your email address and
select the List(s) that you wish to subscribe or unsubscribed from. You
may also use the handy "Find" function to determine the exact syntax of
your email address as it is subscribed to the List. Please see the
complete instructions at the top of the Web Page for more information.
The Subscribe/Unsubscribe web page is:
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Note that you will receive TWO conformation emails regarding your subsciption
process. The first verifies that your subscription/unsubsciption request
was received, and the second confirms that the process has been completed.
You should receive the first email within a few minutes of your request.
The second conformation will arrive in less than 24 hours. You cannot post
until you receive the second conformation email message.
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*** How to Post a Message ***
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Send an email message to:
kitfox-list@matronics.com
Your message will be redistributed to everyone currently subscribed
to the List.
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*** SPAM Fighter - You Must be Subscribed to Post ***
*****************************************************
When a new post is received by the system, the From: line of the message
is checked and compared against the current subscription list. If the
email address is found, the message is passed on to the List Processor.
If the email address isn't found in the current list of subscribers, it
is dumped. This serves to very effectively thwart 99% of the SPAM that
gets posted to the Lists.
Remember, however, that the syntax of your email address is very important
with regard to the configuration of your email application such as Outlook
or Eudora. For example, the following two email addresses may be
functionally equivalent, but only one would pass the Matronics Email SPAM
test depending on which was syntax was subscribed to the given List:
smith@machine.domain.com
smith@domain.com
Either email address syntax is alright, just be sure that you configure
your email application to match *exactly* the address you've subscibed to
the List.
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*** Enclosure Support on the Lists ***
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Limited posting of enclosures such as pictures, documents, and spreadsheets
is supported on the Lists. There are a number of restrictions, and these
are detailed below. Please abide by the rules put forth regarding the
content of enclosures.
These are some of the features and limits of enclosures on the Matronics
Lists:
1) Enclosures will only be posted to the Real Time version of the Lists.
2) Enclosures will NOT be included in the Daily Digest version of the Lists.
3) Enclosures WILL BE forwarded on to the BBS Forum Web site.
4) Enclosures will NOT be appended to the Archives.
5) Enclosures will NOT be available in the List Browse feature.
6) Only the following file types and extensions will be allowed:
bmp doc dwg dxf gif jpg pdf png txt xls
All other enclosures types will be rejected and email returned to
sender. The enclosure types listed above are relatively safe from
a virus standpoint and don't pose a particularly large security risk.
7) !! All incoming enclosures will be scanned for viruses prior to posting
to the List. This is done in real time and will not slow down
the process of posting the message !!
Here are some rules for posting enclosures. Failure to abide by these rules
could result in the removal of a subscriber's email address from the Lists.
1) Pay attention to what you are posting!! Make sure that the files
you are enclosing aren't HUGE (greater that 1MB). Remember that there
are still people checking they're email via dial up modem. If you post
30MB worth of pictures, you are placing an unnecessary burden on these
folks and the rest of us, for that matter.
2) SCALE YOUR PICTURES DOWN!!! I don't want to see huge 3000 x 2000
pictures getting posted that are 3 or 4MB each. This is just
unacceptable. Use a program such as Photoshop to scale the picture
down to something on the order of 800 x 600 and try to keep the
file size to less-than 200KB, preferably much less.
Microsoft has a really awesome utility available for free that allows
you to Right-Click on a picture in Explorer and automatically
scale it down and resave it. This is a great utility - get it, use it!
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx
Look for the link "Image Resizer"
3) !! This would seem to go without saying, but I'll say it anyway. Do not
post anything that would be considered offensive by your grandmother.
And you know what I'm saying; I don't want to see anything even
questionable. !!
4) REMEMBER THIS: If you post a 1MB enclosure to a List with 1000 members
subscribed, your 1MB enclosure must be resent 1000 times amounting
to 1MB X 1000 = 1 Gigabyte of network traffic!! BE CAREFUL and
BE COURTEOUS!
Also see the section below on the Matronics Photo and File Share where
you can have your files and photos posted on the Matronics web server
for long time viewing and availability.
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*** Digest Mode ***
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Each day, starting at 12 midnight PST US, a new 'digest' will be started.
This digest will contain the same information that is currently appended
to the archive file. It has all of the headers except for the "From:"
and "Subject:" lines removed, and includes a message separator consisting
of a line of underscores.
Each day at 23:55 PST US, the day's messages as described above will be
combined and sent as a single message to everyone on the digest email list.
To subscribe to the digest list, use the same subscription web form
described above, and just select the Digest version of the List.
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Note that you *can* be subscribed to both the realtime and digest versions
of the List at the same time. This is perfectly acceptable.
Now some caveats:
* Messages sent to "kitfox-list-digest" will be forwarded to the standard
email list. In other words, you cannot post messages only to the
digest List.
* If you are subscribed to both the regular List and the digest List, you
will receive the realtime postings as well as the digest at the end of
the day.
* If you reply to the digest email, your message will be forwarded to the
normal list associated with the digest. Important Note: Please change
the subject line to reflect the topic of your response! Also, please
*do not include all or most of the digest in your reply*.
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*** List Digest Browser ***
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An archive of all the List Digests can be found online in either plain text
or HTML format. These archives contain the exact Digest that was posted to
the Digest email list on the given day. The Digest Archives can be found
at the following location:
http://www.matronics.com/digest
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*** The "DO NOT ARCHIVE" Message Flag ***
*****************************************
At times, your message may concern something that is revelent only to a very
small number of persons or to a limited area, and you may not wish to archive
it. In such a case, simply put the following phrase anywhere in the
message:
do not archive
Your message will not be appended to the archive, but will be sent to List
email distribution as normal.
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***** READ THIS - Automatic Unsubscribes *****
**********************************************
Note that if your email address begins to cause problems such as bounced
email, mailbox is filled, or any other errors, your address will be promptly
removed from the List. If you discover that you are no longer receiving
messages from the Kitfox-List, go to the following Web page, and look
for your email address and a possible reason for your removal.
The Matronics Email List uses utility called the "Email Weasel" that
automatically looks though the day's bounced email for addresses that
caused problems due to common things like "user is unknown", "mailbox
full", etc. If the Email Weasel removes your email address from the
Lists you will find record of it at the following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/unsubscribed
If the problem listed on the web site above has been resolved, please feel
free to resubscribe to the Lists of your choice.
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*** List Member Information ***
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If you have not done so already, please email me your phone numbers and
paper mail address in the following format:
smith@somehost.com
Joe Smith
123 Airport Lane
Tower, CA 91234-1234
098-765-1234 w
123-456-7890 h
Please forward this information to the following email address:
requests@matronics.com
I have a file of such things, that I typically use to contact you when
there are problems with your email address. The information will NOT
be used for any other commercial purpose.
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*** Realtime Web Email List Browsing ***
****************************************
Recent messages posted to the Kitfox-List are also made available on
the Web for realtime browsing. Seven days worth of back postings are
available with this feature. The messages can be sorted by Subject,
Author, Date, or Message Thread. The Realtime List Browser indexes are
updated twice per hour at xx:15 and xx:45. You can also reply to a message
or start a new message directly from the List Browser Interface (coming soon).
You do not have to be subscribed to the given list to use the List
Browser Interface in view-mode.
http://www.matronics.com/browselist/kitfox-list
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*** Web Forums Bulletin Board Interface ***
*******************************************
A phpBB BBS web Forums front end is available for all Kitfox-List content.
content. The Forums contain all of the same content available via the email
distribution and found on the various archive viewing formats such as the
List Browse, etc. Any posts on the web Forums will be cross posted to the
respective email List, and posts to the Email List will be cross posted to
the web Forums.
You may view all List content on the Forums without any special login.
If you wish to post a message via the Web Forum interface, however, you
will need to Register. This is a simple process that takes only a few
minutes. A link to the Registration page can be found at the top of the
main web Forums page. Note that registering on the Forum web site also
enables you to send email posts to the Lists as well. You will also need to
Subscribe to the respective Email List as described above to receive the
Email Distribution of the List, however.
The Matroincs Email List Web BBS Forums can be found at the following URL:
http://forums.matronics.com
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*** Matronics Email List Wiki ***
*********************************
In an attempt to make it easy to store and find structured and often accessed
information, Matronics has installed a Wiki at:
http://wiki.matronics.com
The Wiki allows individuals to create web pages to contain useful information
for other users of the mailing lists and web site. Unlike an ordinary web page
where the content needs to be submitted to Matronics for inclusion, the Wiki
permits the users to construct their own pages and have them visible immediately.
While constructing pages for the Wiki is not difficult, some may not be
comfortable building pages. In that case, simply prepare the text and any
images and email it to:
wiki-support@matronics.com
One of the volunteers on that list will take your submission and construct
a Wiki page for you.
Often someone produces a particularly useful posting in email one one of the
Lists that would be of general interest. In that case Matronics may take that
post and convert it into a Wiki page.
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*** List Archives ***
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A file containing of all of the previous postings to the Kitfox-List is
available on line. The archive file information is available via the
Web and FTP in a number of forms. Each are briefly described below:
* Kitfox-List.FAQ
- Latest version of the Kitfox-List Frequently Asked Question
page (this document).
* Kitfox-Archive.digest.complete
- Complete file with most of the email header info removed and
page breaks inserted between messages.
* Kitfox-Archive.digest.vol-??
- Same as the file above, but broken up into small sections that
can more easily handled.
* Kitfox-Archive.digest.complete.zip
- Same as the Kitfox-Archive.digest.complete file above, but
in PKZIP format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
* Kitfox-Archive.digest.complete.Z
- Same as the Kitfox-Archive.digest.complete file above, but in
UNIX compress format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
Download Via FTP
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The archive file is available via anonymous FTP from ftp.matronics.com
in the "/pub/Archives" directory. It is updated daily and can be found in
a number of formats as described above. (All filenames are case sensitive.)
ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives
Download Via Web
----------------
The archives are also available via a web listing. These can be found
toward the bottom of the following web page:
http://www.matronics.com/archives
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*** Complete List Web Archive Browsing ***
******************************************
All messages posted to the Kitfox-List are also available using the
Email List Archive Browsing feature. With this utility, all messages
in the List are indexed, and individual sub-archives can be browsed.
http://www.matronics.com/archive/archive-index.cgi?Kitfox
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**** High-Speed Archive Search Engine ***
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You can use the custom, high-performance Matronics Email List Search Engine
to quickly locate and browse any messages that have been posted to the
List. The Engine allows the user to easily search any of the currently
available List archives.
http://www.matronics.com/search
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*** File and Photo Share ***
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With the Matronics Email List File and Photo Share you can share pictures
and other data with members of the List without having to forward a
copy of it to everyone. To share your Files and Photos, simply email
them to:
pictures@matronics.com
!! ==> Please including the following information with each submission:
1) Email Lists that they are related to.
2) Your Full Name.
3) Your Email Address.
4) One line Subject description.
5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic.
6-x) One-line Description of each photo or file
Prior to public availability of the files and photos, each will be scanned
for viruses. Please also note that the process of making the files and
photos available on the web site is a pseudo-manual process, and I try to
process them every few days.
Following the availability of the new Photoshare, an email message will be
sent to the Email Lists enumerated in 1) above indicating that the new
Share is available and what the direct URL to it is.
For a current list of available Photoshares, have a look at the Main
Index Page:
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
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*** List Archive CDROM ***
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A complete Matronics Email List Archive CD is available that contains
all of the archives since the beginning of each of the Lists. The archives
for all of the Lists are included on the CD along with a freeware search
engine written by a list member. The CD is burned the day you order it
and will contain archive received up to the last minute. They make
great gifts!
http://www.matronics.com/ArchiveCDROM
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*** List Support Contributions ***
**********************************
The Matronics Lists are run *completely* through the support of it members.
You won't find any PopUpAds, flashing Banner ads, or any other form of
annoying commercialism on either the Email Messages or the List web pages
associated with the Matronics Email Lists. Every year during November
I run a low-key, low-pressure "Fund Raiser" where, throughout the month,
I ask List members to make a Contribution in any amount with which they
are comfortable.
I will often offer free gifts with certain contribution levels during the
Fund Raiser to increase the participation. The gifts are usually donated
by companies that are themselves List members.
Your Contributions go directly to supporting the operation of the Lists
including the high-speed, business-class Internet connection, server
system hardware and software upgrades, and to partially offset the many
many hours I spend running, maintaining, upgrading, and developing the
variety of services found here.
Generally Contributions range from $20 to $100 and are completely voluntary
and non-compulsory. I ask only that if person enjoys the Lists and obtains
value from them, that they make a Contribution of equal magnitude.
Contributions are accepted throughout the year, and if you've just
subscribed, feel free to make a Contribution when you've settled in.
The website for making SSL Secure Contributions is listed below. There are
a variety of payment methods including Visa and MasterCard, PayPal, and
sending a personal check.
If you enjoy and value the List, won't you make a Contribution today to
support its continued operation?
http://www.matronics.com/contributions
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
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Kitfox-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Kitfox-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Kitfox-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Kitfox-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Kitfox-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Kitfox-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Kitfox-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Kitfox-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Kitfox-List Usage Guidelines
******************************************************************************
The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Kitfox-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Kitfox-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Kitfox-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Kitfox-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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