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1. 02:12 AM - Re: Garmin GPS set-up (Michel Verheughe)
2. 03:57 AM - Re: Turtle Deck (Noel Loveys)
3. 05:06 AM - Re: Turtle Deck (Michel Verheughe)
4. 05:10 AM - (Howard)
5. 06:40 AM - Re: (Jimmie Blackwell)
6. 06:40 AM - Re: (Jimmie Blackwell)
7. 07:59 AM - Re: (Barry West)
8. 08:21 AM - Re: (Jimmie Blackwell)
9. 09:39 AM - Re: (PWilson)
10. 01:08 PM - Re: Garmin GPS set-up (kurt schrader)
11. 01:19 PM - Re: New Service Bulletins 49 and 50 for Rotax 912 Engines (jeff puls)
12. 03:06 PM - Re: (Lowell Fitt)
13. 04:13 PM - Re: (Jimmie Blackwell)
14. 04:21 PM - Re: Garmin GPS set-up (Dave)
15. 06:02 PM - Re: Motor mounting (Rex Shaw)
16. 07:45 PM - Re: Re: KingFox Tires (Bouncing Ricky) (Noel Loveys)
17. 07:57 PM - Re: Garmin GPS set-up (Noel Loveys)
18. 08:16 PM - Re: Turtle Deck (Noel Loveys)
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| Subject: | Re: Garmin GPS set-up |
On Jul 7, 2006, at 10:25 PM, kurt schrader wrote:
> Your Fox is just too fast at 220 mph to use a sextant.
> By the time you find out where you are, you aren't
> there any more.... :-)
Ah, but lo and behold, my Lord! I may heave to, or even swing the hook,
until my position is assessed, thus allowing me to give those scary
skerries a wide berth.
Michel, yer jolly sailor :-)
do not archive
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
My turtle deck is a one piece with a single large piece of Lexan installed.
I think the original builder fabricated it himself to try to cut down on
winter drafts. I much prefer to use it to the folding deck which I also
have. The one piece is quite a bit easier to install as the centre isn't
flopping around like a drunken sailor while I'm trying to get the camlocs
turned.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Lowell Fitt
> Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 8:37 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Turtle Deck
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt"
> <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Not a bad idea. As I recall the original reason for the
> hinge was for the
> guys trailering. After folding the wings, the turtle deck
> folded and fit
> nicely on the seats.
>
> Lowell
> ----- Original Message -----
> Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 2:41 PM
>
>
> > Jeff, I did just that. Mine was the original two window
> design, and I just
> > cut a large opening, and pop-riveted a single panel of
> polycarbonate into
> > it, with RTV to seal it from water. I drilled out the hinge
> rivets, and
> > riveted a thin aluminum sheet behind (under) it, and it
> works great, super
> > easy, and quick. And a $12 roll of dark window film finished it off
> > nicely.
> >
> >
> >
> > I had the thought of replacing the original hinge, and have
> a single
> > window
> > that folds. Not much harder, and still allows it to fit in
> the seat for
> > transport.
> >
> >
> >
> > As easy as it was, there is no way I could justify the
> expense of the
> > formed
> > Lexan turtledeck. It would have to sell for $50 to make it a
> > cost-effective
> > replacement for my method.
> >
> >
> >
> > Bradley
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf
> Of jeff puls
> > Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 4:09 PM
> >
> >
> >
> > John McBean,
> >
> > I have been thinking about replacing the turtle deck on my
> Classic IV. I
> > was
> > thinking of the Leaxn but think it is probable heavier than
> the aluminum.
> > What I would like to do is go to a one piece turtle deck
> with one window.
> > Do
> > away with the havles and make it one piece. Do you know if Skystar
> > fabricated their own or did they send that out? Jeff
> >
> >
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
On Jul 8, 2006, at 12:54 PM, Noel Loveys wrote:
> ... flopping around like a drunken sailor ...
Whot? Er ye talking 'bout me, gov? :-)
I also fond the hinged turtle deck to be a source of rainwater
infiltration. I had to tape mine. I'd rather have a one-piece one.
Cheers,
Michel
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Time: 04:24:41 PM PST US
Engines
Rotax recently published two new service bulletins pertaining to the 912
engine.
For some reason I am not able to download these bulletins from the Rotax
site.
I am able to download all the other bulletins, but not the two latest
ones.
Has anyone been able to download the new ones? If so, please let me
know how
it was done.
Thanks
Jimmie
Your might try this web site:
.http://www.rotax-owner.com/curdocs.htm
Howard
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That is the site I have been trying to download these SB's.
Has anyone been able to download them?
Jimmie
Howard <rv73hl@comcast.net> wrote:
Time: 04:24:41 PM PST US
Rotax recently published two new service bulletins pertaining to the 912 engine.
For some reason I am not able to download these bulletins from the Rotax site.
I am able to download all the other bulletins, but not the two latest ones.
Has anyone been able to download the new ones? If so, please let me know how
it was done.
Thanks
Jimmie
Your might try this web site:
.http://www.rotax-owner.com/curdocs.htm
Howard
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That is the site I have been trying to download these SB's.
Has anyone been able to download them?
Jimmie
Howard <rv73hl@comcast.net> wrote:
Time: 04:24:41 PM PST US
Rotax recently published two new service bulletins pertaining to the 912 engine.
For some reason I am not able to download these bulletins from the Rotax site.
I am able to download all the other bulletins, but not the two latest ones.
Has anyone been able to download the new ones? If so, please let me know how
it was done.
Thanks
Jimmie
Your might try this web site:
.http://www.rotax-owner.com/curdocs.htm
Howard
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To download SB's, go to
http://www.rotax-aircraft-engines.com/aircraft/aircraft.nsf/index?Openpag
e. Select english (or whatever), click on DOCUMENTATION. Select engine
type and document type, then search. Works for me.
Barry West
----- Original Message -----
From: Jimmie Blackwell
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2006 8:37 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List:
That is the site I have been trying to download these SB's.
Has anyone been able to download them?
Jimmie
Howard <rv73hl@comcast.net> wrote:
Time: 04:24:41 PM PST US
From: Jimmie Blackwell <jimmieblackwell@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: New Service Bulletins 49 and 50 for Rotax 912
Engines
Rotax recently published two new service bulletins pertaining to the
912 engine.
For some reason I am not able to download these bulletins from the
Rotax site.
I am able to download all the other bulletins, but not the two
latest ones.
Has anyone been able to download the new ones? If so, please let
me know how
it was done.
Thanks
Jimmie
Your might try this web site:
.http://www.rotax-owner.com/curdocs.htm
Howard
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I have viewed and printed SB's from the Rotax site many times and can still view
and print any SB except these two. Have tried everything I know with my limited
computer skills and I cannot view SB 49 and 50. I can view all the other
SB's, just not SB 49 and 50.
Anyway, I would really appreciate if someone that can view and download SB 49
and 50 to forward them to me.
Thank you.
Jimmie
Barry West <barry@pgtc.com> wrote:
To download SB's, go to http://www.rotax-aircraft-engines.com/aircraft/aircraft.nsf/index?Openpage. Select english (or whatever), click on DOCUMENTATION. Select engine type and document type, then search. Works for me.
Barry West
----- Original Message -----
From: Jimmie Blackwell
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2006 8:37 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List:
That is the site I have been trying to download these SB's.
Has anyone been able to download them?
Jimmie
Howard <rv73hl@comcast.net> wrote:
Time: 04:24:41 PM PST US
Rotax recently published two new service bulletins pertaining to the 912 engine.
For some reason I am not able to download these bulletins from the Rotax site.
I am able to download all the other bulletins, but not the two latest ones.
Has anyone been able to download the new ones? If so, please let me know how
it was done.
Thanks
Jimmie
Your might try this web site:
.http://www.rotax-owner.com/curdocs.htm
Howard
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Here is 50
http://www.rotax-owner.com/si_tb_info/getdoc.asp?USERID=PWilson&DOCID=SB-912-050UL&S_TYPE=NW
http://www.rotax-owner.com/si_tb_info/getdoc.asp?USERID=PWilson&DOCID=SB-912-050&S_TYPE=NW
and 049
http://www.rotax-owner.com/si_tb_info/getdoc.asp?USERID=PWilson&DOCID=SB-912-049&S_TYPE=NW
http://www.rotax-owner.com/si_tb_info/getdoc.asp?USERID=PWilson&DOCID=SB-912-049UL&S_TYPE=NW
I just tried tall 4 and they work fine.
Regards, Paul
PS ,copy/paste the links into your browser.
===========================
At 06:09 AM 7/8/2006, you wrote:
>Time: 04:24:41 PM PST US
>From: Jimmie Blackwell
><<mailto:jimmieblackwell@sbcglobal.net>jimmieblackwell@sbcglobal.net>
>Subject: Kitfox-List: New Service Bulletins 49 and 50 for Rotax 912 Engines
>
>Rotax recently published two new service bulletins pertaining to the
>912 engine.
>For some reason I am not able to download these bulletins from the Rotax site.
>I am able to download all the other bulletins, but not the two latest ones.
>
>
> Has anyone been able to download the new ones? If so, please let
> me know how
>it was done.
>
> Thanks
>
> Jimmie
>Your might try this web site:
>
>.http://www.rotax-owner.com/curdocs.htm
>
>Howard
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| Subject: | Re: Garmin GPS set-up |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Michel,
You've been holding back on us. :-(
You found a solution to alcohol fuels = sails? :-)
Kurt S.
Do not archive
> Michel, yer jolly sailor :-)
> do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: New Service Bulletins 49 and 50 for Rotax 912 Engines |
Jimmie,
Was you serial number included in those? Jeff
----- Original Message -----
From: Jimmie Blackwell
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 7:21 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: New Service Bulletins 49 and 50 for Rotax 912
Engines
Rotax recently published two new service bulletins pertaining to the
912 engine. For some reason I am not able to download these bulletins
from the Rotax site. I am able to download all the other bulletins, but
not the two latest ones.
Has anyone been able to download the new ones? If so, please let me
know how it was done.
Thanks
Jimmie
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Jimmie, I just glanced at the SBs and unless I am on the wrong ones,
SB-912-049 is regarding some parts that were supplied to repair the cam
that operates the fuel pump. There is something wring with the parts. If
this is what you are after, you only have to worry if you had service since
April14, 2005 on the fuel pump assembly.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2006 8:19 AM
>I have viewed and printed SB's from the Rotax site many times and can still
>view and print any SB except these two. Have tried everything I know with
>my limited computer skills and I cannot view SB 49 and 50. I can view all
>the other SB's, just not SB 49 and 50.
>
> Anyway, I would really appreciate if someone that can view and download
> SB 49 and 50 to forward them to me.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Jimmie
>
> Barry West <barry@pgtc.com> wrote:
> To download SB's, go to
> http://www.rotax-aircraft-engines.com/aircraft/aircraft.nsf/index?Openpage.
> Select english (or whatever), click on DOCUMENTATION. Select engine type
> and document type, then search. Works for me.
>
> Barry West
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jimmie Blackwell
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2006 8:37 AM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List:
>
>
> That is the site I have been trying to download these SB's.
>
> Has anyone been able to download them?
>
> Jimmie
>
> Howard <rv73hl@comcast.net> wrote:
> Time: 04:24:41 PM PST US
>
> Rotax recently published two new service bulletins pertaining to the 912
> engine.
> For some reason I am not able to download these bulletins from the Rotax
> site.
> I am able to download all the other bulletins, but not the two latest
> ones.
>
>
> Has anyone been able to download the new ones? If so, please let me know
> how
> it was done.
>
> Thanks
>
> Jimmie
> Your might try this web site:
>
> .http://www.rotax-owner.com/curdocs.htm
>
> Howard
>
>
>
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Still can't open them. This is very strange that I can view all SB's except 49
and 50. I suppose there is something strange about my version of Adobe for opening
pdf files.
Anyway, from what Lowell indicated they do not apply to me. Appreciate all of
your efforts.
This may be my excuse to purchase a new computer.
Thank to all agai.
Jimmie
PWilson <pwmac@sisna.com> wrote:
Here is 50
http://www.rotax-owner.com/si_tb_info/getdoc.asp?USERID=PWilson&DOCID=SB-912-050UL&S_TYPE=NW
http://www.rotax-owner.com/si_tb_info/getdoc.asp?USERID=PWilson&DOCID=SB-912-050&S_TYPE=NW
and 049
http://www.rotax-owner.com/si_tb_info/getdoc.asp?USERID=PWilson&DOCID=SB-912-049&S_TYPE=NW
http://www.rotax-owner.com/si_tb_info/getdoc.asp?USERID=PWilson&DOCID=SB-912-049UL&S_TYPE=NW
I just tried tall 4 and they work fine.
Regards, Paul
PS ,copy/paste the links into your browser.
===========================
At 06:09 AM 7/8/2006, you wrote:
Time: 04:24:41 PM PST US
< jimmieblackwell@sbcglobal.net>
Engines
Rotax recently published two new service bulletins pertaining to the 912 engine.
For some reason I am not able to download these bulletins from the Rotax site.
I am able to download all the other bulletins, but not the two latest ones.
Has anyone been able to download the new ones? If so, please let me know how
it was done.
Thanks
Jimmie
Your might try this web site:
. http://www.rotax-owner.com/curdocs.htm
Howard
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| Subject: | Re: Garmin GPS set-up |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Hi Lowell,
I just got back from a 7.5 hour X country - 2 grass strips, 2 paved
runways and about a dozen different lakes and rivers since yesterday AM
.Never over 3500 agl and flew 300 agl to 1500 agl for most of it . Had to
cross about 40 miles of open water but stayed within few miles of shore.
Just because you are on floats does not mean it going be fun in 6 foot
waves.
Regs do read 500 above highest obstacle and 1000 or 2000 feet vertically
from them.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 10:28 AM
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Dave,
What do you consider legally at 500 ft. The way I read the regs is that one
must be at least 500 ft from a structure, vehicle or person. I interpret
this to mean that you must be at least 500 ft over or lateral to the tower
etc., but over the western desert, just don't touch the ground unless it is
a planned touch.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 2:46 AM
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
>
> Lynn,
>
> The large towers are more seldom than the smaller 300 foot towers in
> rural areas. And if you are flying even legally at 500 ' that only leaves
> less than 200 feet vertical clearance. That being said it is even harder
> to see them off your nose in lower visibility days.
>
> I fly alot at 500 agl but I do fly on X countrys up to 10k depending on
> where the winds are most favourable. I am going ot check wx now for a
> 250 mile leg flight today.
>
>
> Dave
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 10:16 PM
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>
> 300 to 500-foot towers...child's play compared to the 1040-foot tower
> just east of where I live/fly. It is just northwest of Chelsea,
> Michigan. That damn thing will really get your attention on the GPS.
> All the other towers in the vicinity are depicted in yellow, and that
> one is red...a real attention getter. I flew over in that direction the
> other day, and the number of towers popping up made it look like a
> graveyard...an apt description if one doesn't pay heed.
>
> Lynn
> On Thursday, July 6, 2006, at 07:47 PM, Dave wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>> "GPS is the greatest navigation aid ever made thus far..John A"
>>
>>
>> John I will have to agree with you there. And I think the obstacle
>> warning is great especially will all hte 300 to 500 foot towers all over
>> the place.
>>
>> Now if we could only get tailwinds enroute - we would be all set.
>>
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: John Anderson
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 7:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Garmin GPS set-up
>>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson"
>> All technology makes us lazy..but is does it make us safer, thats the
>> question. The new generation aircraft we fly today are very automated, we
>> older pilots tend to scoff at the automation but I notice the younger
>> guys are straight into it?? I for one old sod (might be lazy) tend to
>> love the new technology even if I struggle at time to understand it and
>> think the GPS is the greatest navigation aid ever made thus far..John A.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> <image.tiff>
>>
>>
>> From: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Garmin GPS set-up
>> Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 18:50:20 -0400
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
>>
>> Lynn,
>>
>> GPS are great but they will make you lazy.
>>
>> Dead reckoning is what you need to know ( incase) and of course wx
>> briefing.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 6:23 PM
>>
>>
>> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>> >
>> >Thanks, Dave and RDM....I must've not looked far enough on the
>> >"setup" page. I'm going to the hangar this evening, and will make
>> >the changes then....yes, I've got charts aboard, even though my
>> >instructor has me "tethered" to 5 local grass strips at the present
>> >time. I'm getting to recognize those strips now from several miles
>> >away and only 2,000 ft up.
>> >
>> >Lynn
>> >On Thursday, July 6, 2006, at 06:48 AM, Dave wrote:
>> >
>> >>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
>> >>
>> >>Lynn,
>> >>
>> >>I use a 196 and I think it about the same as 296 except for the
>> >>colour screen.
>> >>
>> >>go to Main menu -- push twice
>> >>Setup
>> >>then you will have tabs on top scroll sideways and set all tabs as
>> >>req'd.
>> >>You can set text size , alarm, alerts, obstacles etc.
>> >>If you are new to this gps , play with it lots and you will find
>> >>everything you need.
>> >>I also find that the remote antenna works much faster and more
>> >>consistant than the little stubby antenna.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>Hope this helps you and don't forget to take your charts with you
>> >>as the GPS should not be your only source for Navaids.
>> >>
>> >>Dave
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 11:20
>> >>PM
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson
>> >>><lynnmatt@jps.net>
>> >>>
>> >>>Does anybody know if my 296 Garmin GPS can be made to read in mph
>> >>>rather than knots? I tried on the "set-up" page but it doesn't
>> >>>seem to offer this configuration. It's maddening to see my
>> >>>airspeed indicator read in mph, and my GPS read in "those boat
>> >>>terms" ....sorry all you real pilots, but I think in mph, and
>> >>>that's why I ordered my ASI to read as such. Anybody got a
>> =========================Navigator to Photoshare, and
>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List
>> =========================List Wiki!
>> =========================http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>> ===================================
>>
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List
> http://wiki.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Re: Motor mounting |
Hi ! Bradley,
I have a MKIV/582 and think it is great. The Rotax
582 does a great job but yes it is way overpriced and I am ever plagued
by the roughness below about 3,000 RPM. I saw one of these 3 cylinder
Geo's perform and was really impressed. Unfortunately it wasn't in a
Kitfox but it really ran extremely smooth and quiet. It started
instantly without fuss and performed well. What we really need is is a
lot of these motors in Kitfox's so we have a good information base then
I'm sure the idea could take-off and we would all benifit. When my time
comes and it's time to do something about the 582 I certainly would look
at the Geo if mounts and information was available.
Anyway I wish you luck and hope it all woks out well as I'm sure it
will.
Rex Shaw.
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| Subject: | Re: KingFox Tires (Bouncing Ricky) |
Just how far do you expect to go on the tires and at what speed? I say
for
tundra type tyres lower the air pressure until they get too draggy on
the
ground. The rougher the ground the lower the pressure.
BTW this is purely conjecture on my behalf... I haven't flown my KF3-A
on
wheels/skis yet just some low speed taxiing..... Floats are my game.
Noel
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Malcolmbru@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2006 12:18 AM
I have the same tires on my kf2 they done chirp or make cool landing
sounds.
you just know the soft rubber is rubbing off without a chirp$$$ thrill.
if you let too much air out you can see the side wall wrinkle when you
roll
on the taxi way. mal
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| Subject: | Garmin GPS set-up |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
New fangled sexytants.... Where's the spirit of adventure??? Give me a
lodestone, astrolabe and an abacus any day.
Is it true Columbus was lost???
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Michel Verheughe
> Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2006 6:37 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Garmin GPS set-up
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> On Jul 7, 2006, at 10:25 PM, kurt schrader wrote:
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> > Your Fox is just too fast at 220 mph to use a sextant.
> > By the time you find out where you are, you aren't
> > there any more.... :-)
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> Ah, but lo and behold, my Lord! I may heave to, or even swing
> the hook,
> until my position is assessed, thus allowing me to give those scary
> skerries a wide berth.
>
> Michel, yer jolly sailor :-)
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> do not archive
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
In the cold winter weather the previous owner of my plane also taped the
edges around my one piece deck. I haven't flown in the winter yet.
As for drunken sailors... I look out my double patio doors and see the cruel
sea..... (North Atlantic) That's the cheapest high I can imagine!! and I
wouldn't' be any place else!!
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Michel Verheughe
> Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2006 9:33 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Turtle Deck
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> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
> On Jul 8, 2006, at 12:54 PM, Noel Loveys wrote:
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> > ... flopping around like a drunken sailor ...
>
> Whot? Er ye talking 'bout me, gov? :-)
>
> I also fond the hinged turtle deck to be a source of rainwater
> infiltration. I had to tape mine. I'd rather have a one-piece one.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
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