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1. 12:36 AM - Navigation. WAS: Garmin GPS set-up (Michel Verheughe)
2. 05:20 AM - Re: Motor mounting (Bradley M Webb)
3. 05:37 AM - Re: Motor mounting (Dave)
4. 07:47 AM - Re: (PWilson)
5. 08:11 AM - Re: (Jimmie Blackwell)
6. 08:18 AM - Re: Motor mounting (Bradley M Webb)
7. 11:01 AM - (off-topic) Acrobat Reader (Michel Verheughe)
8. 02:31 PM - Re: Garmin GPS set-up (Michael Gibbs)
9. 04:21 PM - 2 Questions : Water Temp and Interior Pieces (RichWill)
10. 04:38 PM - Re: Re: Garmin GPS set-up (Dave)
11. 05:05 PM - Re: (off-topic) Acrobat Reader (PWilson)
12. 05:05 PM - Re: 2 Questions : Water Temp and Interior Pieces (PWilson)
13. 05:38 PM - Re: (joe)
14. 06:14 PM - Re: 2 Questions : Water Temp and Interior Pieces (Lowell Fitt)
15. 06:16 PM - Oshkosh 2006? (Fox5flyer)
16. 06:27 PM - Re: Re: Garmin GPS set-up (Lowell Fitt)
17. 07:07 PM - Re: Re: Garmin GPS set-up (Lowell Fitt)
18. 07:31 PM - Re: Oshkosh 2006? (John King)
19. 07:54 PM - Re: Oshkosh 2006? (Rexster)
20. 07:57 PM - Re: Oshkosh 2006? (Rexster)
21. 08:20 PM - Re: Motor mounting/thrust (ron schick)
22. 08:37 PM - Re: Motor mounting/thrust (Bradley M Webb)
23. 08:46 PM - Re: Oshkosh 2006? (vft@aol.com)
24. 09:09 PM - Arlington Turnout (ron schick)
25. 10:35 PM - Re: Oshkosh 2006? (SOURDOSTAN@aol.com)
26. 10:35 PM - Re: Arlington Turnout (jeff puls)
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| Subject: | Navigation. WAS: Garmin GPS set-up |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
On Jul 9, 2006, at 4:56 AM, Noel Loveys wrote:
> Is it true Columbus was lost???
He certainly was, Noel. But so were all navigators until the end of the
17th century, when Harrison and his chronometer provided a mean to find
the longitude. Earlier navigators were simply keeping their vessel to a
known latitude, calculated from the north star or the sun's meridian,
until they met their destination. The practice was safe when sailing
for a large continent, like America or Europe. But not quite so when
finding e.g. an island in the Pacific.
Cheers,
Michel
do not archive
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So far it is going really well, albeit slow. I will let you know when it is
running. There are reports of vibration issues at certain rpm ranges, but
the word is that individuals deviate from design in some cases, and may
contribute to this. The 3 cylinder does naturally vibrate at lower rpms due
to the 120 degree crank, and adding a huge flywheel (prop) adds to this. But
raven and others have adapted well to it, so.
There is a weight penalty to be paid over the 582, but that's how the two
stoke came into being in the first place: power-to-weight ratio. That can't
be beat. But the Geo is not much heavier installed, about 20-30lbs,
depending on what you do to it. If you consider the savings with reduced
fuel on board, the weight is a wash. And you get comparable power, full
altitude capability, smooth as silk operation, and parts a mile away at true
retail prices.
Rebuilds are cheap, about $500, and it's super simple to work on. There are
cams, turbos, MPFI, electronic ignitions, all off-the-shelf stuff. It's a
good choice to replace the cantankerous 582. Maybe not the 912, but even
there, the price is much cheaper to own and operate. The 1.3L four cylinder,
with MPFI and turbo, would run all over the 912S/914, and be a little
cheaper to install, and weigh only pounds more. Add an in-flight adjustable
prop, and you'd have a real winner. The Lycoming O-200/O-240 really won't
compete, in both weight and power. That comes from a Lycoming fan, BTW.
Motor mounts are not hard, but you have to consider all the variables. I've
just never done it before, and it is a bit daunting to consider the
implications IF you get it wrong. Down here in NoWhere's-ville, it's also
hard to get a decent welder who knows what he's doing. That's been most of
my hold-up: finding good, competent help.
I'd be glad to demo it (when its complete) and contribute what little I
know, if anyone has questions.
Bradley
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rex Shaw
Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 1:32 PM
Hi ! Bradley,
I have a MKIV/582 and think it is great. The Rotax 582
does a great job but yes it is way overpriced and I am ever plagued by the
roughness below about 3,000 RPM. I saw one of these 3 cylinder Geo's
perform and was really impressed. Unfortunately it wasn't in a Kitfox but it
really ran extremely smooth and quiet. It started instantly without fuss and
performed well. What we really need is is a lot of these motors in Kitfox's
so we have a good information base then I'm sure the idea could take-off and
we would all benifit. When my time comes and it's time to do something about
the 582 I certainly would look at the Geo if mounts and information was
available.
Anyway I wish you luck and hope it all woks out well as I'm sure it will.
Rex Shaw.
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| Subject: | Re: Motor mounting |
Bradley,
It is nice to see your progress on the Geo install. I will be looking
forward to see the numbers when all said and done.
I know a Instructor that use to have a geo in his Zenith 701 and it
lacked power he claimed. He now uses a 912 81 hp. and quite happy.
I have not tried my self a Geo in a Kitfox so I can only go by gut feel
and the 582 will outperform the geo performance wise but the Geo I think
would out live the 582 and use less fuel. If you are on wheels only and
don't fly out of 500' strips then the Geo will most likely work well.
But on Floats I doubt it would be very good off the water.
What prop speed will you end up with and what prop will you use ?
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Bradley M Webb
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 8:15 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Motor mounting
So far it is going really well, albeit slow. I will let you know when
it is running. There are reports of vibration issues at certain rpm
ranges, but the word is that individuals deviate from design in some
cases, and may contribute to this. The 3 cylinder does naturally vibrate
at lower rpms due to the 120 degree crank, and adding a huge flywheel
(prop) adds to this. But raven and others have adapted well to it, so.
There is a weight penalty to be paid over the 582, but that's how the
two stoke came into being in the first place: power-to-weight ratio.
That can't be beat. But the Geo is not much heavier installed, about
20-30lbs, depending on what you do to it. If you consider the savings
with reduced fuel on board, the weight is a wash. And you get comparable
power, full altitude capability, smooth as silk operation, and parts a
mile away at true retail prices.
Rebuilds are cheap, about $500, and it's super simple to work on.
There are cams, turbos, MPFI, electronic ignitions, all off-the-shelf
stuff. It's a good choice to replace the cantankerous 582. Maybe not the
912, but even there, the price is much cheaper to own and operate. The
1.3L four cylinder, with MPFI and turbo, would run all over the
912S/914, and be a little cheaper to install, and weigh only pounds
more. Add an in-flight adjustable prop, and you'd have a real winner.
The Lycoming O-200/O-240 really won't compete, in both weight and power.
That comes from a Lycoming fan, BTW.
Motor mounts are not hard, but you have to consider all the variables.
I've just never done it before, and it is a bit daunting to consider the
implications IF you get it wrong. Down here in NoWhere's-ville, it's
also hard to get a decent welder who knows what he's doing. That's been
most of my hold-up: finding good, competent help.
I'd be glad to demo it (when its complete) and contribute what little
I know, if anyone has questions.
Bradley
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rex Shaw
Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 1:32 PM
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Motor mounting
Hi ! Bradley,
I have a MKIV/582 and think it is great. The
Rotax 582 does a great job but yes it is way overpriced and I am ever
plagued by the roughness below about 3,000 RPM. I saw one of these 3
cylinder Geo's perform and was really impressed. Unfortunately it
wasn't in a Kitfox but it really ran extremely smooth and quiet. It
started instantly without fuss and performed well. What we really need
is is a lot of these motors in Kitfox's so we have a good information
base then I'm sure the idea could take-off and we would all benifit.
When my time comes and it's time to do something about the 582 I
certainly would look at the Geo if mounts and information was available.
Anyway I wish you luck and hope it all woks out well as I'm sure it
will.
Rex Shaw.
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I think you need the latest update from Adobe. I use V7 on my PC. If
you have a Mac I dont know what to do.
Adobe reader is free as are the updates.
Paul
=================
At 05:09 PM 7/8/2006, you wrote:
>Still can't open them. This is very strange that I can view all
>SB's except 49 and 50. I suppose there is something strange about
>my version of Adobe for opening pdf files.
>
>Anyway, from what Lowell indicated they do not apply to
>me. Appreciate all of your efforts.
>
>This may be my excuse to purchase a new computer.
>
>Thank to all agai.
>
>Jimmie
>
>PWilson <pwmac@sisna.com> wrote:
>Here is 50
>http://www.rotax-owner.com/si_tb_info/getdoc.asp?USERID=PWilson&DOCID=SB-912-050UL&S_TYPE=NW
>http://www.rotax-owner.com/si_tb_info/getdoc.asp?USERID=PWilson&DOCID=SB-912-050&S_TYPE=NW
>
>and 049
>http://www.rotax-owner.com/si_tb_info/getdoc.asp?USERID=PWilson&DOCID=SB-912-049&S_TYPE=NW
>http://www.rotax-owner.com/si_tb_info/getdoc.asp?USERID=PWilson&DOCID=SB-912-049UL&S_TYPE=NW
>I just tried tall 4 and they work fine.
>Regards, Paul
>PS ,copy/paste the links into your browser.
>===========================
>At 06:09 AM 7/8/2006, you wrote:
>>Time: 04:24:41 PM PST US
>><<mailto:jimmieblackwell@sbcglobal.net> jimmieblackwell@sbcglobal.net>
>>Engines
>>
>>Rotax recently published two new service bulletins pertaining to
>>the 912 engine.
>>For some reason I am not able to download these bulletins from the
>>Rotax site.
>>I am able to download all the other bulletins, but not the two latest ones.
>>
>>
>> Has anyone been able to download the new ones? If so, please
>> let me know how
>>it was done.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Jimmie
>>Your might try this web site:
>>
>>. http://www.rotax-owner.com/curdocs.htm
>>
>>Howard
>
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I think you are right. Not able to download it since I still use Windows 98, so
this is my excuse to buy a new computer. Mine is about 7 years old. Do appreciate
your efforts.
Jimmie
PWilson <pwmac@sisna.com> wrote:
I think you need the latest update from Adobe. I use V7 on my PC. If you have
a Mac I dont know what to do.
Adobe reader is free as are the updates.
Paul
=================
At 05:09 PM 7/8/2006, you wrote:
Still can't open them. This is very strange that I can view all SB's except
49 and 50. I suppose there is something strange about my version of Adobe for
opening pdf files.
Anyway, from what Lowell indicated they do not apply to me. Appreciate all of
your efforts.
This may be my excuse to purchase a new computer.
Thank to all agai.
Jimmie
PWilson <pwmac@sisna.com> wrote:
Here is 50
http://www.rotax-owner.com/si_tb_info/getdoc.asp?USERID=PWilson&DOCID=SB-912-050UL&S_TYPE=NW
http://www.rotax-owner.com/si_tb_info/getdoc.asp?USERID=PWilson&DOCID=SB-912-050&S_TYPE=NW
and 049
http://www.rotax-owner.com/si_tb_info/getdoc.asp?USERID=PWilson&DOCID=SB-912-049&S_TYPE=NW
http://www.rotax-owner.com/si_tb_info/getdoc.asp?USERID=PWilson&DOCID=SB-912-049UL&S_TYPE=NW
I just tried tall 4 and they work fine.
Regards, Paul
PS ,copy/paste the links into your browser.
===========================
At 06:09 AM 7/8/2006, you wrote:
Time: 04:24:41 PM PST US
< jimmieblackwell@sbcglobal.net>
Engines
Rotax recently published two new service bulletins pertaining to the 912 engine.
For some reason I am not able to download these bulletins from the Rotax site.
I am able to download all the other bulletins, but not the two latest ones.
Has anyone been able to download the new ones? If so, please let me know
how
it was done.
Thanks
Jimmie
Your might try this web site:
. http://www.rotax-owner.com/curdocs.htm
Howard
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Actually, the thrust numbers out there indicate the Geo 1.0L is pulling
nearly as strong as the 582 with a good prop. But, what really helps is the
flat torque curve. The Geo actually out-performs the 582 at anything less
than 75 percent power. In fact, at 5 percent, the Geo is almost double the
torque. Basically, this means you don't have to run full-out in cruise to
get more from the motor.
And no comparison at 2gph vs. 4gph. Even turbo'd, the 1.0L is 2.5gph.
Also remember that the Geo 60hp figure is SAE net (mandated by federal law
for autos), and the Rotax is SAE gross hp. They're actually very similar.
Add a small turbo and hi rpm cam ($600), and then you're in 912 territory.
Use the 1.3L with turbo, and then your in (and probably over) 914 territory.
All for far less than $10K, and that's a pre-built, bolt-on setup. Do it
yourself, and it's more like $5-$7K.
I had several criteria in looking for 582 replacements. Things like
air-cooling, same weight, fit in the round cowling, and reliability.
Performance was a distant 5th. But I got that too. Obviously, air cooling
was out, and the V-dub is no better than the Rotax, reliability-wise. The 3
cylinder with Raven belt drive is the same length as the 582, and I'm going
to two 6 gallon tanks, instead of one 6 and one 13.5. 6 gallons of mogas is
42lbs, so it weighs the same. With TBI, no choke, no cold/hot start issues,
and OBD checks for faults. Same as a car.
Of all the people I've talked to, not a single one has had a failure of the
motor. No crank breaks, not even leaks. Oh yeah, the one guy last week who
bolted up a turbo with no waste gate and blew the head off, but that
requires no explanation. The base motor is Suzuki, and it's really strong
on the bottom end. The redrive is off the transmission side, and the thrust
bearings are stout. There are a ton of these on open-air trikes, but very
few on Kitfox/Avids.
I think it is a terrific alternative to the 582.
I'm using the IVO 66 inch three blade. I'll do thrust tests to see if I get
comparable numbers, but the IVO is easy and popular.
BTW, the attached pic is of a Kitfox with turbo Geo 1.0L. Don't drool on the
picture, please.
Bradley
_____
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 8:37 AM
Bradley,
It is nice to see your progress on the Geo install. I will be looking
forward to see the numbers when all said and done.
I know a Instructor that use to have a geo in his Zenith 701 and it lacked
power he claimed. He now uses a 912 81 hp. and quite happy.
I have not tried my self a Geo in a Kitfox so I can only go by gut feel and
the 582 will outperform the geo performance wise but the Geo I think would
out live the 582 and use less fuel. If you are on wheels only and don't fly
out of 500' strips then the Geo will most likely work well. But on Floats I
doubt it would be very good off the water.
What prop speed will you end up with and what prop will you use ?
Dave
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 8:15 AM
So far it is going really well, albeit slow. I will let you know when it is
running. There are reports of vibration issues at certain rpm ranges, but
the word is that individuals deviate from design in some cases, and may
contribute to this. The 3 cylinder does naturally vibrate at lower rpms due
to the 120 degree crank, and adding a huge flywheel (prop) adds to this. But
raven and others have adapted well to it, so.
There is a weight penalty to be paid over the 582, but that's how the two
stoke came into being in the first place: power-to-weight ratio. That can't
be beat. But the Geo is not much heavier installed, about 20-30lbs,
depending on what you do to it. If you consider the savings with reduced
fuel on board, the weight is a wash. And you get comparable power, full
altitude capability, smooth as silk operation, and parts a mile away at true
retail prices.
Rebuilds are cheap, about $500, and it's super simple to work on. There are
cams, turbos, MPFI, electronic ignitions, all off-the-shelf stuff. It's a
good choice to replace the cantankerous 582. Maybe not the 912, but even
there, the price is much cheaper to own and operate. The 1.3L four cylinder,
with MPFI and turbo, would run all over the 912S/914, and be a little
cheaper to install, and weigh only pounds more. Add an in-flight adjustable
prop, and you'd have a real winner. The Lycoming O-200/O-240 really won't
compete, in both weight and power. That comes from a Lycoming fan, BTW.
Motor mounts are not hard, but you have to consider all the variables. I've
just never done it before, and it is a bit daunting to consider the
implications IF you get it wrong. Down here in NoWhere's-ville, it's also
hard to get a decent welder who knows what he's doing. That's been most of
my hold-up: finding good, competent help.
I'd be glad to demo it (when its complete) and contribute what little I
know, if anyone has questions.
Bradley
_____
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rex Shaw
Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 1:32 PM
Hi ! Bradley,
I have a MKIV/582 and think it is great. The Rotax 582
does a great job but yes it is way overpriced and I am ever plagued by the
roughness below about 3,000 RPM. I saw one of these 3 cylinder Geo's
perform and was really impressed. Unfortunately it wasn't in a Kitfox but it
really ran extremely smooth and quiet. It started instantly without fuss and
performed well. What we really need is is a lot of these motors in Kitfox's
so we have a good information base then I'm sure the idea could take-off and
we would all benifit. When my time comes and it's time to do something about
the 582 I certainly would look at the Geo if mounts and information was
available.
Anyway I wish you luck and hope it all woks out well as I'm sure it will.
Rex Shaw.
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| Subject: | (off-topic) Acrobat Reader |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
On Jul 9, 2006, at 4:40 PM, PWilson wrote:
> I think you need the latest update from Adobe. I use V7 on my PC. If
> you have a Mac I dont know what to do.
The latest version of all Adobe products are released for both PC and
Mac. Desktop publishing was born in 1984 thanks to the three A's: Apple
(Macintosh) Adobe (Postscript typefaces) and Aldus (PageMaker).
Adobe PDF format is simply an extension of the Postscript format that
allows, via Adobe Acrobat Reader, to print any document that has been
saved in that format, thus allowing printshops to print your documents,
even if created in a not so current type of program. With time, it
became also a favourite way to distribute documents such as catalogues
via the internet, having a strict layout control, something that HTML
has not.
Cheers,
Michel
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Garmin GPS set-up |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
Dave sez:
>Regs do read 500 above highest obstacle and 1000 or 2000 feet
>vertically from them.
That only applies over congested areas of cities, towns, settlements,
or an open air assembly of people:
Sec. 91.119 Minimum safe altitudes: General.
Except when necessary for takeoff or landing, no person may operate
an aircraft below the following altitudes:
(a) Anywhere. An altitude allowing, if a power unit fails, an
emergency landing without undue hazard to persons or property on the
surface.
(b) Over congested areas. Over any congested area of a city, town, or
settlement, or over any open air assembly of persons, an altitude of
1,000 feet above the highest obstacle within a horizontal radius of
2,000 feet of the aircraft.
(c) Over other than congested areas. An altitude of 500 feet above
the surface, except over open water or sparsely populated areas. In
those cases, the aircraft may not be operated closer than 500 feet to
any person, vessel, vehicle, or structure.
(d) Helicopters. Helicopters may be operated at less than the
minimums prescribed in paragraph (b) or (c) of this section if the
operation is conducted without hazard to persons or property on the
surface. In addition, each person operating a helicopter shall comply
with any routes or altitudes specifically prescribed for helicopters
by the Administrator.
Mike G.
N728KF
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| Subject: | 2 Questions : Water Temp and Interior Pieces |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RichWill" <rwill1@adelphia.net>
List,
I have a Rotax 912UL - with Evans NPG - water temp is running 200-230F, does this
sound right or too hot?? Oil temp is running 190-230 (normal).
My oil cooler is on top of the motor, probably should be out front, and I've taken
out the cabin heater for the summer.. (would this have any increase in temp
effect)?
Also, understand there is someone in Arizona who can make interior panels for the
KF? I need the cover for behind the seats, the one that has the zippered corners..
does anyone know of the business/person?
Thank you...
--------
Semper Fi
15 ITT
G2 HqCo HqBn
1st MarDiv
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=45949#45949
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| Subject: | Re: Garmin GPS set-up |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
I am tallking Transport Canada Mike.
as follows
http://www.tc.gc.ca/CivilAviation/Regserv/Affairs/cars/PART6/602.htm#602_14_2
Minimum Altitudes and Distances
602.14 (1) [Repealed]
(amended 2003/03/01; previous version)
(2) Except where conducting a take-off, approach or landing or where
permitted under section 602.15, no person shall operate an aircraft
(a) over a built-up area or over an open-air assembly of persons unless the
aircraft is operated at an altitude from which, in the event of an emergency
necessitating an immediate landing, it would be possible to land the
aircraft without creating a hazard to persons or property on the surface,
and, in any case, at an altitude that is not lower than
(i) for aeroplanes, 1,000 feet above the highest obstacle located within a
horizontal distance of 2,000 feet from the aeroplane,
(ii) for balloons, 500 feet above the highest obstacle located within a
horizontal distance of 500 feet from the balloon, or
(iii) for an aircraft other than an aeroplane or a balloon, 1,000 feet above
the highest obstacle located within a horizontal distance of 500 feet from
the aircraft; and
(b) in circumstances other than those referred to in paragraph (a), at a
distance less than 500 feet from any person, vessel, vehicle or structure.
Best Regards,
Dave
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 5:27 PM
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
>
> Dave sez:
>
>>Regs do read 500 above highest obstacle and 1000 or 2000 feet vertically
>>from them.
>
> That only applies over congested areas of cities, towns, settlements, or
> an open air assembly of people:
>
> Sec. 91.119 Minimum safe altitudes: General.
> Except when necessary for takeoff or landing, no person may operate an
> aircraft below the following altitudes:
> (a) Anywhere. An altitude allowing, if a power unit fails, an emergency
> landing without undue hazard to persons or property on the surface.
> (b) Over congested areas. Over any congested area of a city, town, or
> settlement, or over any open air assembly of persons, an altitude of 1,000
> feet above the highest obstacle within a horizontal radius of 2,000 feet
> of the aircraft.
> (c) Over other than congested areas. An altitude of 500 feet above the
> surface, except over open water or sparsely populated areas. In those
> cases, the aircraft may not be operated closer than 500 feet to any
> person, vessel, vehicle, or structure.
> (d) Helicopters. Helicopters may be operated at less than the minimums
> prescribed in paragraph (b) or (c) of this section if the operation is
> conducted without hazard to persons or property on the surface. In
> addition, each person operating a helicopter shall comply with any routes
> or altitudes specifically prescribed for helicopters by the Administrator.
>
> Mike G.
> N728KF
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List
> http://wiki.matronics.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: (off-topic) Acrobat Reader |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: PWilson <pwmac@sisna.com>
Mic,
The last time I looked the Mac version was not as up to date as the
Win XP version 7. Maybe that has changed.
Paul
===========
At 11:58 AM 7/9/2006, you wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
>On Jul 9, 2006, at 4:40 PM, PWilson wrote:
>
>> I think you need the latest update from Adobe. I use V7 on my PC.
>> If you have a Mac I dont know what to do.
>
>The latest version of all Adobe products are released for both PC
>and Mac. Desktop publishing was born in 1984 thanks to the three
>A's: Apple (Macintosh) Adobe (Postscript typefaces) and Aldus (PageMaker).
>Adobe PDF format is simply an extension of the Postscript format
>that allows, via Adobe Acrobat Reader, to print any document that
>has been saved in that format, thus allowing printshops to print
>your documents, even if created in a not so current type of program.
>With time, it became also a favourite way to distribute documents
>such as catalogues via the internet, having a strict layout control,
>something that HTML has not.
>
>Cheers,
>Michel
>
>do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 2 Questions : Water Temp and Interior Pieces |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: PWilson <pwmac@sisna.com>
Isn't the redline CHT 300F? 230 sounds Ok to me.
Paul
==============
At 05:18 PM 7/9/2006, you wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RichWill" <rwill1@adelphia.net>
>
>List,
>
>I have a Rotax 912UL - with Evans NPG - water temp is running
>200-230F, does this sound right or too hot?? Oil temp is running
>190-230 (normal).
>
>My oil cooler is on top of the motor, probably should be out front,
>and I've taken out the cabin heater for the summer.. (would this
>have any increase in temp effect)?
>
>Also, understand there is someone in Arizona who can make interior
>panels for the KF? I need the cover for behind the seats, the one
>that has the zippered corners.. does anyone know of the business/person?
>
>Thank you...
>
>--------
>Semper Fi
>15 ITT
>G2 HqCo HqBn
>1st MarDiv
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=45949#45949
>
>
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Not able to download it since I still use Windows 98,
++++ I have win98 and adobe 6.0 works fine. I did get a message asking
me to update adobe because some stuff on the page might not look too
good but all seems ok.
regard,
Joe
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| Subject: | Re: 2 Questions : Water Temp and Interior Pieces |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Rich, I don't really know what is "normal", but my temps are pretty
consistent at 180. In the past, I put tape on the radiator during the
winter months. I do have the Kitfox radiator shroud.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 4:18 PM
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RichWill" <rwill1@adelphia.net>
>
> List,
>
> I have a Rotax 912UL - with Evans NPG - water temp is running 200-230F,
> does this sound right or too hot?? Oil temp is running 190-230 (normal).
>
> My oil cooler is on top of the motor, probably should be out front, and
> I've taken out the cabin heater for the summer.. (would this have any
> increase in temp effect)?
>
> Also, understand there is someone in Arizona who can make interior panels
> for the KF? I need the cover for behind the seats, the one that has the
> zippered corners.. does anyone know of the business/person?
>
> Thank you...
>
> --------
> Semper Fi
> 15 ITT
> G2 HqCo HqBn
> 1st MarDiv
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=45949#45949
>
>
>
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Was wondering if there would be many Kitfoxers
driving/flying/walking/etc. into AirVenture this year. I plan on
driving and being there for the week, but not the weekend, staying at
Camp Scholler. It would be nice meet up with some of you great people.
You know, talk Kitfox, tell lies, share some refreshments, that sort of
stuff. Perhaps we could also make a point to meet up somewhere during
the week, maybe Acey Ducey?
Anybody interested?
Deke
NE Michigan
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| Subject: | Re: Garmin GPS set-up |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Thanks Michael,
I knew it was in there somewhere. Sometimes I just don't have the energy to
search it out. This was a must read, some time back. so as to avoid
illegalities when flying the Nevada, Oregon, Arizona and Idaho countryside.
Here in No. Cal. there is the story of a guy that took and published some
pictures of the new Carquinez suspension bridge on the internet and the FAA
determined that his pictures couldn't have been taken with legal clearance
and his license was suspended for a time. I don't know if this story is of
the urban legend variety or true, but it gives pause when taking photos and
videos from the air.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 2:27 PM
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
>
> Dave sez:
>
>>Regs do read 500 above highest obstacle and 1000 or 2000 feet vertically
>>from them.
>
> That only applies over congested areas of cities, towns, settlements, or
> an open air assembly of people:
>
> Sec. 91.119 Minimum safe altitudes: General.
> Except when necessary for takeoff or landing, no person may operate an
> aircraft below the following altitudes:
> (a) Anywhere. An altitude allowing, if a power unit fails, an emergency
> landing without undue hazard to persons or property on the surface.
> (b) Over congested areas. Over any congested area of a city, town, or
> settlement, or over any open air assembly of persons, an altitude of 1,000
> feet above the highest obstacle within a horizontal radius of 2,000 feet
> of the aircraft.
> (c) Over other than congested areas. An altitude of 500 feet above the
> surface, except over open water or sparsely populated areas. In those
> cases, the aircraft may not be operated closer than 500 feet to any
> person, vessel, vehicle, or structure.
> (d) Helicopters. Helicopters may be operated at less than the minimums
> prescribed in paragraph (b) or (c) of this section if the operation is
> conducted without hazard to persons or property on the surface. In
> addition, each person operating a helicopter shall comply with any routes
> or altitudes specifically prescribed for helicopters by the Administrator.
>
> Mike G.
> N728KF
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List
> http://wiki.matronics.com
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Garmin GPS set-up |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Dave,
Thanks for the clarification. Have to be careful when visiting Canada. I
understand one of our guys has family or friends North East of Porthill, ID
and we are planning on visiting this summer.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 4:37 PM
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
>
> I am tallking Transport Canada Mike.
>
> as follows
> http://www.tc.gc.ca/CivilAviation/Regserv/Affairs/cars/PART6/602.htm#602_14_2
>
>
> Minimum Altitudes and Distances
>
> 602.14 (1) [Repealed]
> (amended 2003/03/01; previous version)
>
> (2) Except where conducting a take-off, approach or landing or where
> permitted under section 602.15, no person shall operate an aircraft
>
> (a) over a built-up area or over an open-air assembly of persons unless
> the aircraft is operated at an altitude from which, in the event of an
> emergency necessitating an immediate landing, it would be possible to land
> the aircraft without creating a hazard to persons or property on the
> surface, and, in any case, at an altitude that is not lower than
>
> (i) for aeroplanes, 1,000 feet above the highest obstacle located within a
> horizontal distance of 2,000 feet from the aeroplane,
>
> (ii) for balloons, 500 feet above the highest obstacle located within a
> horizontal distance of 500 feet from the balloon, or
>
> (iii) for an aircraft other than an aeroplane or a balloon, 1,000 feet
> above the highest obstacle located within a horizontal distance of 500
> feet from the aircraft; and
>
> (b) in circumstances other than those referred to in paragraph (a), at a
> distance less than 500 feet from any person, vessel, vehicle or structure.
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
>
> Dave
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 5:27 PM
>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
>>
>> Dave sez:
>>
>>>Regs do read 500 above highest obstacle and 1000 or 2000 feet vertically
>>>from them.
>>
>> That only applies over congested areas of cities, towns, settlements, or
>> an open air assembly of people:
>>
>> Sec. 91.119 Minimum safe altitudes: General.
>> Except when necessary for takeoff or landing, no person may operate an
>> aircraft below the following altitudes:
>> (a) Anywhere. An altitude allowing, if a power unit fails, an emergency
>> landing without undue hazard to persons or property on the surface.
>> (b) Over congested areas. Over any congested area of a city, town, or
>> settlement, or over any open air assembly of persons, an altitude of
>> 1,000 feet above the highest obstacle within a horizontal radius of 2,000
>> feet of the aircraft.
>> (c) Over other than congested areas. An altitude of 500 feet above the
>> surface, except over open water or sparsely populated areas. In those
>> cases, the aircraft may not be operated closer than 500 feet to any
>> person, vessel, vehicle, or structure.
>> (d) Helicopters. Helicopters may be operated at less than the minimums
>> prescribed in paragraph (b) or (c) of this section if the operation is
>> conducted without hazard to persons or property on the surface. In
>> addition, each person operating a helicopter shall comply with any routes
>> or altitudes specifically prescribed for helicopters by the
>> Administrator.
>>
>> Mike G.
>> N728KF
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List
>> http://wiki.matronics.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List
> http://wiki.matronics.com
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Oshkosh 2006? |
Deke,
I plan to fly in to Oshkosh with my Series 6. Weather permitting I plan
to be there late in the day (after the air show) on Wednesday the 26th
and depart on Sunday morning the 30th. Ray Gignac plans to fly with me
in his Model IV if he can get out of jury duty. We will be parking in
the Experimental parking area with the other Kitfoxes.
--
John King
Warrenton, VA
Fox5flyer wrote:
> Was wondering if there would be many Kitfoxers
> driving/flying/walking/etc. into AirVenture this year. I plan on
> driving and being there for the week, but not the weekend, staying at
> Camp Scholler. It would be nice meet up with some of you great
> people. You know, talk Kitfox, tell lies, share some refreshments,
> that sort of stuff. Perhaps we could also make a point to meet up
> somewhere during the week, maybe Acey Ducey?
> Anybody interested?
> Deke
> NE Michigan
>
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| Subject: | Re: Oshkosh 2006? |
There will be a bunch of us parked together on the flight line. Good pla
ce to meet up for the first time.
Rex Phelps (southeast Michigan)
-- "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us> wrote:
Was wondering if there would be many Kitfoxers driving/flying/walking/et
c. into AirVenture this year. I plan on driving and being there for the
week, but not the weekend, staying at Camp Scholler. It would be nice
meet up with some of you great people. You know, talk Kitfox, tell lies
, share some refreshments, that sort of stuff. Perhaps we could also ma
ke a point to meet up somewhere during the week, maybe Acey Ducey?Anybod
y interested?DekeNE Michigan
<html><P>There will be a bunch of us parked together on the flight line.
Good place to meet up for the first time.</P>
<P>Rex Phelps (southeast Michigan)</P>
<P> </P>
<P><BR><BR>-- "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>&nb
sp;wrote:<BR></P>
<META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1479" name=GENERATOR>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Was wondering if there would be many Ki
tfoxers driving/flying/walking/etc. into AirVenture this year. 
; I plan on driving and being there for the week, but not the weekend, s
taying at Camp Scholler. It would be nice meet up with some o
f you great people. You know, talk Kitfox, tell lies, share&n
bsp;some refreshments, that sort of stuff. Perhaps we could also m
ake a point to meet up somewhere during the week, maybe Acey Ducey?</FON
T></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Anybody interested?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Deke</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>NE Michigan</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> </FONT></DIV></html>
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| Subject: | Re: Oshkosh 2006? |
Hi John,
Mike Fisher (Classic 4 Speedster) and I (Model 3 with the painted on
radial engine) will be leaving from Southest Michigan on the morning of
Saturday, the 21st and staying though most of the week. See ya at the ki
tfox parking of Experimentals.
Rex Phelps
-- John King <kingjohne@adelphia.net> wrote:
Deke,
I plan to fly in to Oshkosh with my Series 6. Weather permitting I plan
to be there late in the day (after the air show) on Wednesday the 26th
and depart on Sunday morning the 30th. Ray Gignac plans to fly with me
in his Model IV if he can get out of jury duty. We will be parking in t
he Experimental parking area with the other Kitfoxes.
-- John King Warrenton, VA
Fox5flyer wrote: Was wondering if there would be many Kitfoxers driving/
flying/walking/etc. into AirVenture this year. I plan on driving and be
ing there for the week, but not the weekend, staying at Camp Scholler.
It would be nice meet up with some of you great people. You know, talk
Kitfox, tell lies, share some refreshments, that sort of stuff. Perhaps
we could also make a point to meet up somewhere during the week, maybe
Acey Ducey?Anybody interested?DekeNE Michigan
<html><P>Hi John,</P>
<P> Mike Fisher (Classic 4 Speedster) and I (Model 3 with th
e painted on radial engine) will be leaving from Southest Michigan on th
e morning of Saturday, the 21st and staying though most of the week. See
ya at the kitfox parking of Experimentals.</P>
<P>Rex Phelps</P>
<P><BR><BR>-- John King <kingjohne@adelphia.net>&nb
sp;wrote:<BR>Deke,<BR><BR>I plan to fly in to Oshkosh with my Series 6.&
nbsp; Weather permitting I plan to be there late in the day (after the a
ir show) on Wednesday the 26th and depart on Sunday morning the 30th.&nb
sp; Ray Gignac plans to fly with me in his Model IV if he can get out of
jury duty. We will be parking in the Experimental parking area wi
th the other Kitfoxes.<BR></P><PRE class=moz-signature cols="120">--
John King
Warrenton, VA</PRE><BR>Fox5flyer wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE cite=mid013a01c6a3be$5df419b0$b5e026cc@DMorisse type="ci
te">
<META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1479" name=GENERATOR>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Was wondering if there would be many Ki
tfoxers driving/flying/walking/etc. into AirVenture this year. 
; I plan on driving and being there for the week, but not the weekend, s
taying at Camp Scholler. It would be nice meet up with some o
f you great people. You know, talk Kitfox, tell lies, share&n
bsp;some refreshments, that sort of stuff. Perhaps we could also m
ake a point to meet up somewhere during the week, maybe Acey Ducey?</FON
T></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Anybody interested?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Deke</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>NE Michigan</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> </FONT></DIV></BLOCKQ
UOTE><BR><PRE class=moz-signature cols="120"></PRE></html>
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| Subject: | Motor mounting/thrust |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
Hi Brad Somehow I thought you were VW powered. What thrust numbers do you
have for the Geo? I have 370 lbs static on my redrive VW and plan to test
the 582 Avid as well as the 152 soon. I would love to compare other engines
at maximum static thrust. It may not be the final answer as certain planes
are better suited for some engines, but it is a start. Also did you find the
answer as to deviating from the established thrust centerline? Thanks Ron
NB Or
>From: "Bradley M Webb" <bmwebb@cox.net>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Motor mounting
>Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 21:03:31 -0400
>
>Folks,
>
>I am getting ready to mount up my motor (Geo 3 cylinder) and I need to
>order
>the tubing. What size tubing should I get? I have the 582 mount for
>reference, but without cutting into it, I have no idea as to the wall
>thickness.
>
>
>Also, does anyone have the thrust line for the Kitfox Model 2? My manual
>has
>no reference to it. I know where the 582 sat in relation, but are there
>hard
>numbers?
>
>
>Also, is th4ere any thrust offset? Most are down and to the side. Any idea
>what it should be?
>
>
>Thanks,
>
>Bradley
>
>N1836
>
>Middle Georgia
>
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| Subject: | Motor mounting/thrust |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bradley M Webb" <bmwebb@cox.net>
I looked really hard at the V-dub, but I just couldn't get anyone to commit
on things like TBO's, and I couldn't find anyone who's flown one for a
while. I'm sure they're out there, but I couldn't find 'em.
I'd have to go look it up in the archives, but IIRC the G10 is between 330
and 390, depending on the prop (and who you believe). There's quite a thread
way back, I'd have to go find it.
I would be interested in duplicating your test setup, so that meaningful
comparisons can be made.
Bradley
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ron schick
Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 11:19 PM
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" <roncarolnikko@hotmail.com>
Hi Brad Somehow I thought you were VW powered. What thrust numbers do you
have for the Geo? I have 370 lbs static on my redrive VW and plan to test
the 582 Avid as well as the 152 soon. I would love to compare other engines
at maximum static thrust. It may not be the final answer as certain planes
are better suited for some engines, but it is a start. Also did you find the
answer as to deviating from the established thrust centerline? Thanks Ron
NB Or
>From: "Bradley M Webb" <bmwebb@cox.net>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Motor mounting
>Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 21:03:31 -0400
>
>Folks,
>
>I am getting ready to mount up my motor (Geo 3 cylinder) and I need to
>order
>the tubing. What size tubing should I get? I have the 582 mount for
>reference, but without cutting into it, I have no idea as to the wall
>thickness.
>
>
>Also, does anyone have the thrust line for the Kitfox Model 2? My manual
>has
>no reference to it. I know where the 582 sat in relation, but are there
>hard
>numbers?
>
>
>Also, is th4ere any thrust offset? Most are down and to the side. Any idea
>what it should be?
>
>
>Thanks,
>
>Bradley
>
>N1836
>
>Middle Georgia
>
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| Subject: | Re: Oshkosh 2006? |
Zack and I will be there Thursday evening through Sunday morning. Give me a call
and we will hook up if possible. 407-687-3126
Danny Melnik
F1 #25
Melbourne (FL) Rocket Factory
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 21:15:43 -0400
Was wondering if there would be many Kitfoxers driving/flying/walking/etc. into
AirVenture this year. I plan on driving and being there for the week, but not
the weekend, staying at Camp Scholler. It would be nice meet up with some of
you great people. You know, talk Kitfox, tell lies, share some refreshments,
that sort of stuff. Perhaps we could also make a point to meet up somewhere
during the week, maybe Acey Ducey?
Anybody interested?
Deke
NE Michigan
________________________________________________________________________
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| Subject: | Arlington Turnout |
Just returned from Arlington with a sunburn and good memories. It was hard
to focus on the continual arrivals and departures, or even the airshows. It
seems as though there was a Kitfox or an Avid at every turn. The group of
five planes from Corona Ca were there with a Kitfox flown by Pete Joseph and
an Avid flown by John Miller. There was Doug Nelson in a KF light squared
who had been in Oregon the year before and remembered seeing me unloading
sand bags after testing my Avid.
The most innovative thing I saw was a set of landing lights on Jeff Smathers
plane that sit folded forward in behind the belly rad until a slip upon
approach forces the air to extend them. Of course there were many other
show quality planes to learn from as well.
I lost count, but a quick list of those I met were: Joel Mapes, Gary Randal,
Don Mcintosh, Mark and Tye Ferkin, Bruce Hoisington, Jeff and Tina Smathers,
John Stoner, Mick Thiesen (Hey), Mark Donahue, Terry Black, Ben and Roberta
Travis, Sedro Wooley, and Sylvan Adamson.
Special thanks to John Stoner for the free coffee at the cub booth and Mic
for the good nature while ribbin his Canadian accent. Sorry for those I
mispelled or forgot. If Don Pearsell or others made it sound off. Pics
are Mic Theisen by an Avid, and the big guy under the Cub Is John Stoner
Later Ron NB Oregon (OTH)
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| Subject: | Re: Oshkosh 2006? |
My friend James Johnson and I will be flying our IV Speedsters in from Denver
on Saturday. We'll be camping in the homebuilt camping area. Hope to see
many of you and we'd like to hear if any event gets organized so we can join
you. My cell is (303) 807-4699. Looking forward to the big event and seeing
Kitfox Aircraft LLC.
Stan Specht
Kitfox Model IV Speedster "Columbine"
Denver, Colorado
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| Subject: | Re: Arlington Turnout |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jeff puls" <pulsair@mindspring.com>
Ron,
Did Ben Travis rebuild his kitfox? Jeff
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 12:08 AM
> Just returned from Arlington with a sunburn and good memories. It was hard
> to focus on the continual arrivals and departures, or even the airshows.
> It
> seems as though there was a Kitfox or an Avid at every turn. The group of
> five planes from Corona Ca were there with a Kitfox flown by Pete Joseph
> and
> an Avid flown by John Miller. There was Doug Nelson in a KF light squared
> who had been in Oregon the year before and remembered seeing me unloading
> sand bags after testing my Avid.
> The most innovative thing I saw was a set of landing lights on Jeff
> Smathers
> plane that sit folded forward in behind the belly rad until a slip upon
> approach forces the air to extend them. Of course there were many other
> show quality planes to learn from as well.
> I lost count, but a quick list of those I met were: Joel Mapes, Gary
> Randal,
> Don Mcintosh, Mark and Tye Ferkin, Bruce Hoisington, Jeff and Tina
> Smathers,
> John Stoner, Mick Thiesen (Hey), Mark Donahue, Terry Black, Ben and
> Roberta
> Travis, Sedro Wooley, and Sylvan Adamson.
> Special thanks to John Stoner for the free coffee at the cub booth and
> Mic
> for the good nature while ribbin his Canadian accent. Sorry for those I
> mispelled or forgot. If Don Pearsell or others made it sound off.
> Pics
> are Mic Theisen by an Avid, and the big guy under the Cub Is John Stoner
> Later Ron NB Oregon (OTH)
>
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