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1. 12:06 AM - Re: pitch angle Warp Drive propeller (Andy L. Bijkerk)
2. 04:04 AM - Re: Kitfox Meeting in Oshkosh (Fox5flyer)
3. 04:20 AM - OSH (Bob Unternaehrer)
4. 04:20 AM - sloshes (Bob Unternaehrer)
5. 07:19 AM - Re: Re: Aerocet 1100 Anphib floats - check your cables (Lowell Fitt)
6. 07:21 AM - Re: sloshes (Noel Loveys)
7. 08:12 AM - Re: OSH (Fox5flyer)
8. 08:23 AM - Re: Kitfox Meeting in Oshkosh (jdmcbean)
9. 08:28 AM - Black Hills SD (jdmcbean)
10. 08:55 AM - North of Black Hills SD / Sturgis rally (jareds)
11. 12:05 PM - Re: Kitfox Meeting in Oshkosh (Lynn Matteson)
12. 12:11 PM - Re: Engine choices. (Lynn Matteson)
13. 12:18 PM - Re: Black Hills SD (Randy Daughenbaugh)
14. 12:40 PM - Speaking of crashes... (Lynn Matteson)
15. 12:42 PM - Re: Re: Fuel level sensor (Lynn Matteson)
16. 02:32 PM - Re: sloshes (Bob Unternaehrer)
17. 02:32 PM - Re: sloshes (Bob Unternaehrer)
18. 02:45 PM - Re: Kitfox Meeting in Oshkosh (Fox5flyer)
19. 03:15 PM - Re: Speaking of crashes... (Rueb, Duane)
20. 03:51 PM - Re: Kitfox II left landing gear (Elaine Erickson)
21. 03:53 PM - Re: Speaking of crashes... (John Anderson)
22. 03:55 PM - Model II Brakes (Elaine Erickson)
23. 04:18 PM - Re: Black Hills SD (Clifford Begnaud)
24. 04:22 PM - Re: Model II Brakes (john perry)
25. 04:22 PM - Re: Model II Brakes (Bradley M Webb)
26. 04:32 PM - broken push rod. (kirk hull)
27. 05:07 PM - Re: sloshes (Bradley M Webb)
28. 05:27 PM - Re: unbuilt kitfox 7 for sale cheap (tony fiacco)
29. 06:27 PM - Re: sloshes (Noel Loveys)
30. 06:37 PM - Re: Model II Brakes (Noel Loveys)
31. 06:38 PM - FW: 912S Installation (Frank & Phyllis)
32. 07:11 PM - Re: Black Hills SD (Randy Daughenbaugh)
33. 07:23 PM - Re: Model II Brakes (Bradley M Webb)
34. 08:05 PM - Alaskan Kitfoxer's (Andrew Matthaey)
35. 09:06 PM - Re: FW: 912S Installation (Lowell Fitt)
36. 09:19 PM - Re: Alaskan Kitfoxer's (debrun26@juno.com)
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| Subject: | Re: pitch angle Warp Drive propeller |
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Meeting in Oshkosh |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Excellent. See you there guys.
Deke
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 1:12 AM
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron Liebmann" <rliebmann@comcast.net>
>
> Herb Gottelt ( Model 4 Speedster ) & Ron Liebmann ( Model 2/582 ) will be
> there at 6pm to meet up with ya'll..
>
> Do Not Archive
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 5:17 PM
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Ed Veneck <edveneck@yahoo.com>
> >
> > You have the spelling wrong.
> > It's the Acee-Deucee Lounge
> > 1329 Oregon St.
> > 920-235-6050
> > It is a cool place, and everyone that attends Oshkosh
> > should go there at least once.
> > Ed Veneck
> >
> > --- Peter Graichen <n10pg@neo.rr.com> wrote:
> >
> >> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Peter Graichen"
> >> <n10pg@neo.rr.com>
> >>
> >>
> >> Hello Fellow Kitfox Builders/Drivers:
> >>
> >> It has been suggested by some that we get together
> >> at Acey Ducey some
> >> evening during Airventure 2006. However nobody seems
> >> to know where
> >> Acey-Ducey is located.
> >> Oshkosh information has no idea. There is no
> >> telephone number listed for
> >> them. I have used every search engine I could think
> >> of without success.
> >> Today I called EAA and the lady in membership
> >> services said that Acey-Ducey
> >> is located on Oregon Street and 14th Street.
> >> Can anybody confirm that location? If not, may I
> >> suggest that we meet on
> >> Tuesday 25 July at 19:30 local time at Kelly's.
> >> Kelly's is located at the
> >> University at the corner of Wisconsin & High Street.
> >> Peter Graichen
> >> http:/home.neo.rr.com/n10pg/kitfox.htm
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Just back on the list. When and where is the kitfox get to gether at
OSH. Leaving early Thursday,,,tomorrow.
Blue Skies
Bob Unternaehrer
shilocom@mcmsys.com
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I'm in need of a fuel tank sealant on a metal tank using diesel fuel,
NOT on an airplane and a very slow leak. What would the experts suggest
Blue Skies
Bob Unternaehrer
shilocom@mcmsys.com
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| Subject: | Re: Aerocet 1100 Anphib floats - check your cables |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Thanks Richard,
Most of my experience with Stainless Steel has been in the dental office and
observing the various forms and their relative corrosion resistance in the
sterilization process - mostly autoclaving - which can present a quite
hostile environment. The bulk strength instruments like extraction forceps
are quite corrosion resistant, but will eventually deform on their working
surfaces. The instruments that require sharpening will corrode quite
readily, usually a black pitting will form on the surface.
I suppose there is an inverse relationship between corrosion resistance and
strength and correspondingly a direct relationship between magnetic
attraction and strength.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 7:52 PM
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Richard Rabbers" <rira1950@yahoo.com>
>
> Stainless Steel
> The term for grades of steel that contain more than 10% chromium, with or
> without other alloying elements. Stainless steel resists corrosion,
> maintains its strength at high temperatures, and is easily maintained. For
> these reasons, it is used widely in items such as automotive and food
> processing products, as well as medical and health equipment. The most
> common grades of stainless steel are:
>
> TYPE 304
> The most commonly specified austenitic (chromium-nickel stainless class)
> stainless steel, accounting for more than half of the stainless steel
> produced in the world. This grade withstands ordinary corrosion in
> architecture, is durable in typical food processing environments, and
> resists most chemicals. Type 304 is available in virtually all product
> forms and finishes.
>
> TYPE 316
> Austenitic (chromium-nickel stainless class) stainless steel containing
> 2%-3% molybdenum (whereas 304 has none). The inclusion of molybdenum gives
> 316 greater resistance to various forms of deterioration.
>
> TYPE 409
> Ferritic (plain chromium stainless category) stainless steel suitable for
> high temperatures. This grade has the lowest chromium content of all
> stainless steels and thus is the least expensive.
>
> TYPE 410
> The most widely used martensitic (plain chromium stainless class with
> exceptional strength) stainless steel, featuring the high level of
> strength conferred by the martensitic. It is a low-cost, heat-treatable
> grade suitable for non-severe corrosion applications.
>
> TYPE 430
> The most widely used ferritic (plain chromium stainless category)
> stainless steel, offering general-purpose corrosion resistance, often in
> decorative applications.
>
> http://www.makinamuhendisi.com/idx/0/046/article/A-Beginners-Guide-to-Robotics-Projects-Using-the-PIC-Micro-.html
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=48445#48445
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Proseal... its used on TC cat aircraft like the metroliner to seal the
tanks form the inside. Particularly dirty to work with/;^}
Noel
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob
Unternaehrer
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 8:59 AM
I'm in need of a fuel tank sealant on a metal tank using diesel fuel,
NOT on
an airplane and a very slow leak. What would the experts suggest
Blue Skies
Bob Unternaehrer
shilocom@mcmsys.com
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Welcome home Bob. Looks like it'll be Wednesday evening about 6pm at
Acee Ducee Lounge in Oshkosh, just a little way from the airport. If
staying at camp scholler, look me up at the locator or call me. I'll be
arriving Saturday evening. I'm giving rides Wed evening if needed.
989 736 8264
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Unternaehrer
To: Kitfox List
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 7:27 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: OSH
Just back on the list. When and where is the kitfox get to gether at
OSH. Leaving early Thursday,,,tomorrow.
Blue Skies
Bob Unternaehrer
shilocom@mcmsys.com
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| Subject: | Kitfox Meeting in Oshkosh |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Just as a reminder for everyone going to Oshkosh,, we will have a bulletin
board at the tent to pass on messages.. We are in the North Aircraft Display
#426.. See you Wednesday at the Acee Deucee if we don't see you at the
booth first....
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
208.337.5111
www.kitfoxaircraft.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Hey Randy.. Where are you.. we'll be flying right over Custer (neat airport)
on the way to Oshkosh...
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
www.kitfoxaircraft.com
"It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!"
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| Subject: | North of Black Hills SD / Sturgis rally |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
John,
My ranch is north of the black hills on the ND/SD border on the missouri
river if you wonder that way. Fires have plagued our area this month
with the drought so there are lots of landing spots. Don't forget the
sturgis bike ralley at the end of Oshgosh! Great concerts among other
things if you are coming back during that time!
Be sure to wave!!
jdmcbean wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
>
>Hey Randy.. Where are you.. we'll be flying right over Custer (neat airport)
>on the way to Oshkosh...
>
>Fly Safe !!
>John & Debra McBean
>www.kitfoxaircraft.com
>"It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!"
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Meeting in Oshkosh |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
I hope to go to that, Deke. I'll be parking my MH somewhere for the
duration, and will call you if I'm still there on Wed.
Lynn
cell 517 945 4381
On Tuesday, July 18, 2006, at 08:56 AM, Fox5flyer wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer"
> <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>
> Thanks Ed.
> OK folks. The link below is a map of where the Acee-Duecee is
> located. I'm
> proposing we meet up on Wednesday evening about 6pm. I plan to go
> anyway
> and hopefully some of you will be able show up so I can meet you great
> people. It's an excellent place for dinner too.
> For those who are on foot, I can load a few into my pickup. I can fit
> three
> in the back seat and whatever I can get away with in the bed. Just a
> simple
> matter of a reasonable and convenient meeting place for the pick-up.
> Perhaps by the shuttle stop in the main parking area with a post-it
> note
> saying KITFOX on your forehead? Anybody have a suggestion?
> Print out the map on the link below.
> If you want me to pick you up, my cell is 989 736 8264.
> Hope to see you there!
> Deke
>
> http://www.nightlifenightclubs.com/night-clubs/listing/435261/us/wi/
> oshkosh/
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 6:17 PM
>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Ed Veneck <edveneck@yahoo.com>
>>
>> You have the spelling wrong.
>> It's the Acee-Deucee Lounge
>> 1329 Oregon St.
>> 920-235-6050
>> It is a cool place, and everyone that attends Oshkosh
>> should go there at least once.
>> Ed Veneck
>>
>> --- Peter Graichen <n10pg@neo.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Peter Graichen"
>>> <n10pg@neo.rr.com>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello Fellow Kitfox Builders/Drivers:
>>>
>>> It has been suggested by some that we get together
>>> at Acey Ducey some
>>> evening during Airventure 2006. However nobody seems
>>> to know where
>>> Acey-Ducey is located.
>>> Oshkosh information has no idea. There is no
>>> telephone number listed for
>>> them. I have used every search engine I could think
>>> of without success.
>>> Today I called EAA and the lady in membership
>>> services said that Acey-Ducey
>>> is located on Oregon Street and 14th Street.
>>> Can anybody confirm that location? If not, may I
>>> suggest that we meet on
>>> Tuesday 25 July at 19:30 local time at Kelly's.
>>> Kelly's is located at the
>>> University at the corner of Wisconsin & High Street.
>>> Peter Graichen
>>> http:/home.neo.rr.com/n10pg/kitfox.htm
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> browse
>>> Subscriptions page,
>>> FAQ,
>>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List
>>>
>>>
>>> Admin.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> __________________________________________________
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Engine choices. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Amen to that , Dee....97 hours on mine so far and hardly a complaint.
On Tuesday, July 18, 2006, at 09:30 PM, Dee Young wrote:
Lynn
Kitfox IV...Jabiru 2200
> The Jabiru 2200is a good choice too.
>
> Dee Young
>
> Do not archive
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
John,
We are about 15 miles northeast of Custer. Runway is 103.3782W 43.9812N.
Also about 5 miles north of Mount Rushmore.
If you can get the link below to work, that is my strip.
http://terraserver.microsoft.com/addressimage.aspx?t=1&s=12&lon=-103.3774100
233&lat=43.9831022903687&alon=-103.27208459&alat=44.02497809&w=1&ref=A%7cShe
ridan+Lake+Rd%2c+Rapid+City%2c+SD+57702
When are you coming by? I don't have hangar space right now, (usually I do)
but do have a couple of bedrooms and tie down space.
Randy
.
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jdmcbean
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 9:28 AM
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Hey Randy.. Where are you.. we'll be flying right over Custer (neat airport)
on the way to Oshkosh...
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
www.kitfoxaircraft.com
"It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!"
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| Subject: | Speaking of crashes... |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
A Cessna 182 practicing T & G's at Napoleon Airport (3NP) ran out of
runway and crashed across the road at the end of 27 yesterday...nobody
hurt, but the plane is a total loss...one wing ripped in half, vertical
tail tore loose, etc. It is still stuffed into the trees just 30 feet
from the road, and about ground level.
I mention this because I had been keeping my IV at this airport for a
month, just to have a choice of 2 runways, of greater length and width,
per my instructors' wishes. Today I was taking it home to my shorter,
narrower, and only runway this morning, but not before some last few
TOLS at 3NP. It was a little unnerving to have to take off and land
with that wreckage looming up ahead, but nothing that an "old pro" of
30-some solo hours couldn't handle. : )
I finally went home and made a half-dozen TOLS at the home field, then
a couple at each of the other 5 fields that I'm currently cleared to go
to, then home.
Thankfully, none of the other fields had wreckage to have to fly over.
Lynn
Kitfox IV...Jabiru 2200
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel level sensor |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
My Williams tank mounts just to the rear of the header tank (behind
seat model) and above it....pictures also available.
Lynn
Kitfox IV...Jabiru 2200
On Wednesday, July 19, 2006, at 12:13 AM, Clint Bazzill wrote:
> Thats strange, my tank from Murle Williams fit fine behind the seat of
> my Model IV. Can send pictures of installation if someone wants one.
> Clint
>
>
<image.tiff>
>
>
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MessageThis tank is an already enclosed tank which the biggest access
about a 2" dia neck. Can I just clean tank with ????? muratic acid or
something and pour the suff in... If so how much. The tank is only
leaking on the bottom, which is about 10" wide by 48" long. Bob U.
----- Original Message -----
From: Noel Loveys
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 9:21 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: sloshes
Proseal... its used on TC cat aircraft like the metroliner to seal
the tanks form the inside. Particularly dirty to work with/;^}
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob
Unternaehrer
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 8:59 AM
To: Kitfox List
Subject: Kitfox-List: sloshes
I'm in need of a fuel tank sealant on a metal tank using diesel
fuel, NOT on an airplane and a very slow leak. What would the experts
suggest
Blue Skies
Bob Unternaehrer
shilocom@mcmsys.com
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MessageThis tank is an already enclosed tank which the biggest access
about a 2" dia neck. Can I just clean tank with ????? muratic acid or
something and pour the suff in... If so how much. The tank is only
leaking on the bottom, which is about 10" wide by 48" long. Bob U.
----- Original Message -----
From: Noel Loveys
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 9:21 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: sloshes
Proseal... its used on TC cat aircraft like the metroliner to seal
the tanks form the inside. Particularly dirty to work with/;^}
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob
Unternaehrer
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 8:59 AM
To: Kitfox List
Subject: Kitfox-List: sloshes
I'm in need of a fuel tank sealant on a metal tank using diesel
fuel, NOT on an airplane and a very slow leak. What would the experts
suggest
Blue Skies
Bob Unternaehrer
shilocom@mcmsys.com
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Meeting in Oshkosh |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Great Lynn. You staying at camp scholler?
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 3:02 PM
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>
> I hope to go to that, Deke. I'll be parking my MH somewhere for the
> duration, and will call you if I'm still there on Wed.
>
> Lynn
> cell 517 945 4381
> On Tuesday, July 18, 2006, at 08:56 AM, Fox5flyer wrote:
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer"
> > <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
> >
> > Thanks Ed.
> > OK folks. The link below is a map of where the Acee-Duecee is
> > located. I'm
> > proposing we meet up on Wednesday evening about 6pm. I plan to go
> > anyway
> > and hopefully some of you will be able show up so I can meet you great
> > people. It's an excellent place for dinner too.
> > For those who are on foot, I can load a few into my pickup. I can fit
> > three
> > in the back seat and whatever I can get away with in the bed. Just a
> > simple
> > matter of a reasonable and convenient meeting place for the pick-up.
> > Perhaps by the shuttle stop in the main parking area with a post-it
> > note
> > saying KITFOX on your forehead? Anybody have a suggestion?
> > Print out the map on the link below.
> > If you want me to pick you up, my cell is 989 736 8264.
> > Hope to see you there!
> > Deke
> >
> > http://www.nightlifenightclubs.com/night-clubs/listing/435261/us/wi/
> > oshkosh/
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 6:17 PM
> >
> >
> >> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Ed Veneck <edveneck@yahoo.com>
> >>
> >> You have the spelling wrong.
> >> It's the Acee-Deucee Lounge
> >> 1329 Oregon St.
> >> 920-235-6050
> >> It is a cool place, and everyone that attends Oshkosh
> >> should go there at least once.
> >> Ed Veneck
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> >> --- Peter Graichen <n10pg@neo.rr.com> wrote:
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> >>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Peter Graichen"
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> >>> Hello Fellow Kitfox Builders/Drivers:
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> >>> It has been suggested by some that we get together
> >>> at Acey Ducey some
> >>> evening during Airventure 2006. However nobody seems
> >>> to know where
> >>> Acey-Ducey is located.
> >>> Oshkosh information has no idea. There is no
> >>> telephone number listed for
> >>> them. I have used every search engine I could think
> >>> of without success.
> >>> Today I called EAA and the lady in membership
> >>> services said that Acey-Ducey
> >>> is located on Oregon Street and 14th Street.
> >>> Can anybody confirm that location? If not, may I
> >>> suggest that we meet on
> >>> Tuesday 25 July at 19:30 local time at Kelly's.
> >>> Kelly's is located at the
> >>> University at the corner of Wisconsin & High Street.
> >>> Peter Graichen
> >>> http:/home.neo.rr.com/n10pg/kitfox.htm
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| Subject: | Speaking of crashes... |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rueb, Duane" <ruebd@skymail.csus.edu>
Lynners:
I was once up with a student at KAUN (Auburn) when someone from
the 'flat land' ran a 206 off the end of the runway, and we had to
alternate to Lincoln and wait for the runway to be re-opened.
I hate to see such things happen, especially since they are
preventable with more training or by applying the training one already
has. Not to sound too righteous, most of the time something like this
happens, the pilot is either rusty as hell, or lacks the training and
discipline to practice enough to be proficient enough to be able to do
the normal stuff. If you can't land a Cessna trike with all the flaps
they have, you should be embarrassed, cause that is about the easiest
winged thing ever made to operate.
Too many pilots and their airplanes simply do not fly enough to
maintain proficiency. It is sad to see so many ignored aircraft parked
at the Flugplatzes.
Sounds like you are doing good with your flying program, so keep up the
good work.
D'Sky
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn
Matteson
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 12:41 PM
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
A Cessna 182 practicing T & G's at Napoleon Airport (3NP) ran out of
runway and crashed across the road at the end of 27 yesterday...nobody
hurt, but the plane is a total loss...one wing ripped in half, vertical
tail tore loose, etc. It is still stuffed into the trees just 30 feet
from the road, and about ground level.
I mention this because I had been keeping my IV at this airport for a
month, just to have a choice of 2 runways, of greater length and width,
per my instructors' wishes. Today I was taking it home to my shorter,
narrower, and only runway this morning, but not before some last few
TOLS at 3NP. It was a little unnerving to have to take off and land
with that wreckage looming up ahead, but nothing that an "old pro" of
30-some solo hours couldn't handle. : )
I finally went home and made a half-dozen TOLS at the home field, then
a couple at each of the other 5 fields that I'm currently cleared to go
to, then home.
Thankfully, none of the other fields had wreckage to have to fly over.
Lynn
Kitfox IV...Jabiru 2200
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox II left landing gear |
For a follow up, this is the route that I've chosen to go. I should
have it rebuilt within the next couple of days.
- Verne
----- Original Message -----
From: Malcolmbru@aol.com<mailto:Malcolmbru@aol.com>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 10:29 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox II left landing gear
you should consider rebuilding the one you have find someone and have
it dun probably save a lot malcolm
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| Subject: | Speaking of crashes... |
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I purchased my model II completed so I haven't had to work with the
brakes so far. I need to fill up the brake fluid but there isn't a
reservoir by the pedals. What's the best method for filling up the
system?
- Verne
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| Subject: | Re: Black Hills SD |
Randy,
I snagged the picture off of the terraserver and off of google earth. See
them at this link
http://members4.clubphoto.com/clifford285117/4562682/owner_icons-18f9.phtml
Is that it? Where did you put the runway?
Cliff
John,
We are about 15 miles northeast of Custer. Runway is 103.3782W 43.9812N.
Also about 5 miles north of Mount Rushmore.
If you can get the link below to work, that is my strip.
http://terraserver.microsoft.com/addressimage.aspx?t=1&s=12&lon=-103.3774100
233&lat=43.9831022903687&alon=-103.27208459&alat=44.02497809&w=1&ref=A%7cShe
ridan+Lake+Rd%2c+Rapid+City%2c+SD+57702
When are you coming by? I don't have hangar space right now, (usually I do)
but do have a couple of bedrooms and tie down space.
Randy
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| Subject: | Re: Model II Brakes |
`you loosen the screw in the toip of the resavoir and push the fluid
from the brake caliper back to the master cylinder . if any questions
call me and ill help all i can i have a model 2 .
John Perry
eskflyer@lvcisp.com
580-695-8778
----- Original Message -----
From: Elaine Erickson
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 5:55 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Model II Brakes
I purchased my model II completed so I haven't had to work with the
brakes so far. I need to fill up the brake fluid but there isn't a
reservoir by the pedals. What's the best method for filling up the
system?
- Verne
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If it's original, you have the MC-1 master cylinder, and the PH-1 calipers.
The reservoir is the master cylinder itself. It holds a couple ounces of
fluid. There should be screw on the top. Remove that, and stick a white,
small zip-tie down to check the level.
MC Drawing here.
http://matco.elixirlabs.com/catalog/index.php?file=catalog&uid=2192&prod_pca
tegory=69102&clist=0,68008,69102&uid=2192
Caliper drawing here.
http://matco.elixirlabs.com/catalog/index.php?file=catalog&uid=2192&prod_pca
tegory=69101&clist=0,68008,69101&uid=2192
DO NOT use DOT 3 automotive fluid. That's what happened to mine. All the
seals had to be replaced. Use MIL-H-5606 spec fluid, and you can't get it at
the auto parts stores.
BTW, check this link on 5606 fluid.
http://www.tpub.com/content/aviation/14018/css/14018_178.htm
Even though the piston shaft is supposed to be the vent, Matco drills the
center of the screw with a small hole to "help" it. They replaced mine with
plastic internals wrenching screws, but you can use whatever fits the
threads.
Bradley
Model 2
N1836
Middle Georgia
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Elaine Erickson
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 6:55 PM
I purchased my model II completed so I haven't had to work with the brakes
so far. I need to fill up the brake fluid but there isn't a reservoir by
the pedals. What's the best method for filling up the system?
- Verne
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| Subject: | broken push rod. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kirk hull" <kirkhull@sbcglobal.net>
I had an engineer look at the remains of the pushrod to see if he had any
ideas why it broke. It took hem about 30 sec with a microscope to say that
it was not heat treated properly when it was made. it was way to hard for
the intended purpose.
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Did you manually "slather" it on? I can't see it being allowed to slosh.
Unless you reduced it with something.
Bradley
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Noel Loveys
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 10:21 AM
Proseal... its used on TC cat aircraft like the metroliner to seal the
tanks form the inside. Particularly dirty to work with/;^}
Noel
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob
Unternaehrer
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 8:59 AM
I'm in need of a fuel tank sealant on a metal tank using diesel fuel, NOT on
an airplane and a very slow leak. What would the experts suggest
Blue Skies
Bob Unternaehrer
shilocom@mcmsys.com
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| Subject: | Re: unbuilt kitfox 7 for sale cheap |
but you must have a friend of a friend of a friend that sees a good deal. he he
Barry West <barry@pgtc.com> wrote: Tony, what a deal. I'm sure someone
will snatch this one up. If I didn't already have one......
Barry West
----- Original Message -----
From: tony fiacco
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 11:21 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: unbuilt kitfox 7 for sale cheap
i have an unbuilt kitfox 7 for sale.
i paid over 23,000 for the kit, it has ALL available quick build
options, and includes a 300.00 tool kit, and 2 sets of older snow skiis
it is missing about 2,500 worth of off the shelf parts that are readily
available. windshield, brakes, landing gear, all the things skyscam, i mean skystar,
boned me out of. i have done some work, horizontal stabilizer etc. about
30 hours worth. i also have some extra parts, long story short, my crate arrived
missing a box and was later recovered. the retail price on the missing
box was over 2,000, the parts include extra tubes, epoxy, varnish, plywood and
metal parts header tank etc.
i will sell the kit for 19,000, this is approximately my loan balance.
pics are attached.
i am located in upstate ny, massena, and will consider delivery for a nominal
charge,
or will crate and ship
thanks
tony fiacco
315 769-2207
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Sorry.
I was thinking of an access panel that would allow you to use the
proseal.
To seal your tank I'm sorry I have no idea.
do not archive
Noel
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob
Unternaehrer
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 6:55 PM
This tank is an already enclosed tank which the biggest access about a
2"
dia neck. Can I just clean tank with ????? muratic acid or something
and
pour the suff in... If so how much. The tank is only leaking on the
bottom,
which is about 10" wide by 48" long. Bob U.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 9:21 AM
Proseal... its used on TC cat aircraft like the metroliner to seal the
tanks form the inside. Particularly dirty to work with/;^}
Noel
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob
Unternaehrer
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 8:59 AM
I'm in need of a fuel tank sealant on a metal tank using diesel fuel,
NOT on
an airplane and a very slow leak. What would the experts suggest
Blue Skies
Bob Unternaehrer
shilocom@mcmsys.com
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I opened the bleeding screw on the master cylinder,wrapped it in lots of
cloth and pumped fluid in through the bleeder on the callipers with a
small
oil can and a length of clear tubing.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Elaine
Erickson
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 8:25 PM
I purchased my model II completed so I haven't had to work with the
brakes
so far. I need to fill up the brake fluid but there isn't a reservoir
by
the pedals. What's the best method for filling up the system?
- Verne
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| Subject: | FW: 912S Installation |
I sent the following to Lockwood without response. I'd appreciate any
recommendations/insight on the two questions.
Thanks,
Frank McDonald
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 8:13 PM
I purchased a 912S through SkyStar.
I have a couple of questions.
1. I have a GRT 4000 EIS. For the cylinder heat temp sensors GRT
advised me to remove the two VDO sensors on the #1 & #4 cylinder heads,
replace the VDO sensor with a bolt used to attach the CHT ring sensor.
I assume the VDO sensors measure cylinder head water temp. If that's
true, wouldn't the VDO sensor be the best measure of CHT? Would your
recommend I use the VDO vs the ring sensor?
2. Trying to hook up the wiring. The only wires I have coming off the
engine are the two tach wires (blue & white) and the two generator wires
(yellow in shielded braid). What do I do to hook up the ignition? The
schematic shows two "BRN" (I assume brown) wires. Am I missing some
wires?
Thanks for your assistance.
Frank McDonald
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Cliff,
Yup, that's us! Runway is clearly visible (highlighted in snow) about one
quarter up from the bottom of the picture and at about 110/290 degrees in
reference to the picture. If you unzoom (?) a bit you can see about 400'
cliffs down into the canyon about a quarter mile off each end of the runway.
(past the big trees at each end that make it hard to land. ;-) ) And
just a half mile further east is America's first Space Port. This is the
Stratosphere Bowl where the first balloon flights into the stratosphere were
launched in the '30's. Steve Fossett also launched one of his record
attempts from here about 7-10 years ago. The Bowl makes it possible to
inflate a 400' balloon with little wind problems.
You still need to visit some time. Sept/Oct is great around here.
Thanks for the picture. It must have been taken just before we got the
hangar up.
Randy
.
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clifford
Begnaud
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 5:16 PM
Randy,
I snagged the picture off of the terraserver and off of google earth. See
them at this link
http://members4.clubphoto.com/clifford285117/4562682/owner_icons-18f9.phtml
Is that it? Where did you put the runway?
Cliff
John,
We are about 15 miles northeast of Custer. Runway is 103.3782W 43.9812N.
Also about 5 miles north of Mount Rushmore.
If you can get the link below to work, that is my strip.
http://terraserver.microsoft.com/addressimage.aspx?t=1&s=12&lon=-103.3774100
233&lat=43.9831022903687&alon=-103.27208459&alat=44.02497809&w=1&ref=A%7cShe
ridan+Lake+Rd%2c+Rapid+City%2c+SD+57702
When are you coming by? I don't have hangar space right now, (usually I do)
but do have a couple of bedrooms and tie down space.
Randy
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I used a turkey baster from Wal-Mart and a length of clear tubing. Target
has neat metal ones.
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Noel Loveys
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 9:36 PM
I opened the bleeding screw on the master cylinder,wrapped it in lots of
cloth and pumped fluid in through the bleeder on the callipers with a small
oil can and a length of clear tubing.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Elaine Erickson
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 8:25 PM
I purchased my model II completed so I haven't had to work with the brakes
so far. I need to fill up the brake fluid but there isn't a reservoir by
the pedals. What's the best method for filling up the system?
- Verne
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| Subject: | Alaskan Kitfoxer's |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey" <spaghettiohead@hotmail.com>
Hi Group,
Any Kitfoxer's in the vicinity of Anchorage, Ak by chance??
Thanks!
Andrew
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: FW: 912S Installation |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Frank,
I think I can give a possible eplanation for question 1. I think different
folks will use different resistence ranges in the senders for different
panel indicators / meters. I found the thermister that is used in the
sender for the Westach Quad Gauge and was able to rebuild mine. I suspect
the VDO sender is of a different value than the ring sender for the EIS.
Regarding the ignition wires. If it is similar to the 912UL that I have,
there should be a two four terminal connectors coming out of the igniton
modules. Two of the wires terminate at the connector, I can't see the color
on my engine, but the ignition leads would be continuations of these wires
and taken to ground through the switches.
Quite frankly, though, looking at the diagrams, I can't see how I figured it
all out back then. I sure don't like the European variety of electronic
symbols.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 6:38 PM
>I sent the following to Lockwood without response. I'd appreciate any
> recommendations/insight on the two questions.
> Thanks,
> Frank McDonald
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 8:13 PM
>
> I purchased a 912S through SkyStar.
>
> I have a couple of questions.
>
> 1. I have a GRT 4000 EIS. For the cylinder heat temp sensors GRT
> advised me to remove the two VDO sensors on the #1 & #4 cylinder heads,
> replace the VDO sensor with a bolt used to attach the CHT ring sensor.
> I assume the VDO sensors measure cylinder head water temp. If that's
> true, wouldn't the VDO sensor be the best measure of CHT? Would your
> recommend I use the VDO vs the ring sensor?
>
> 2. Trying to hook up the wiring. The only wires I have coming off the
> engine are the two tach wires (blue & white) and the two generator wires
> (yellow in shielded braid). What do I do to hook up the ignition? The
> schematic shows two "BRN" (I assume brown) wires. Am I missing some
> wires?
>
> Thanks for your assistance.
>
> Frank McDonald
>
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| Subject: | Re: Alaskan Kitfoxer's |
Hi Andrew, My name is Debbie and my husband is Layne...is is in ground
school tonight and has been looking at Kitfox planes for 6 months...he w
ants to learn to fly and more, he wants to buy a plane. DO you fly? Ha
ve a plane? There is one for sale in Ventura CA area where I lived for
25 years and we were thinking of looking at it.
Please respond. I know Layne would love to talk with you. I am going t
o learn to fly as well ( I hope to anyway) but did not take the ground s
chool in one month. Layne is overwhelmed and I think I may sign up for
it in the fall and take it as a semester course as it should be (not try
it in a month!)
Thanks~ Debbie and Layne Cropper 569-2767 in Anchorage
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