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     1. 02:19 AM - Re: Setting prop to revs (John Anderson)
     2. 03:02 AM - Re: Setting prop to revs (QSS)
     3. 05:37 AM - Re: Setting prop to revs (Noel Loveys)
     4. 10:49 AM - Re: Setting prop to revs (AMuller589@aol.com)
     5. 02:22 PM - Re: Setting prop to revs (QSS)
     6. 03:19 PM - Re: Setting prop to revs (wingsdown)
     7. 03:49 PM - Priming spars on QB Wings?? (darinh)
     8. 03:52 PM - Re: Setting prop to revs (QSS)
     9. 04:09 PM - Re: Setting prop to revs (wingsdown)
    10. 04:29 PM - Re: Setting prop to revs (John Anderson)
    11. 04:32 PM - Re: Setting prop to revs (John Anderson)
    12. 04:38 PM - Re: Priming spars on QB Wings?? (John Anderson)
    13. 04:38 PM - Re: Priming spars on QB Wings?? (jeff puls)
    14. 04:45 PM - Re: Setting prop to revs (John Anderson)
    15. 05:00 PM - Re: Setting prop to revs (wingsdown)
 
 
 
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      John, its the NSI 108 HP model. I think they are tweeked up a bit 
      because the standard EA 81 is much lower in HP than that. Im going to go 
      with your figures when Im back in Yeppoon and see how it goes. I'll let 
      you know the results.
      
      Cheers
      Graeme ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: John Anderson 
        To: kitfox-list@matronics.com 
        Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 7:15 PM
        Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Setting prop to revs
      
      
        --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson" 
        Yes, they certainly seem high to me me Graeme....I have a friend with 
      a normally asperated EA81 and limits 5500 max for t/o. Goes very well, 
      he has upped the comp ratio a little and bigger carb. You can always set 
      the prop to give you more RPM for that one-of if your underpowered a bit 
      but will cost on cruise. But that little engine sure is going to last 
      longer at lower RPM. Is it a std EA81 or have you tweeked it a little? I 
      limit to 5000 for t/o but rearly need it and 4000 for cruise but then 
      I'm turbo'd. John
      
      
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          Hi John, thanks for the advice. I've been following the threads 
      going back and forth between yourself and others with your own plane and 
      being at the same point myself with engine info requirements Im really 
      close to flying. The problem I have is that I was sent an NSI data sheet 
      on engine performance and in it the advice was that take off engine revs 
      should be around 6200. I shook my head in disbelieve at these figures 
      and asked a mate who overhauled my engine what he thought and he agreed 
      that the figures were high. I was wondering if the figures quoted are 
      for the NSI engine with the CAP system. I dont know if that would make 
      any difference or not but 6200 seem very high and more a kin to the 2 
      stroke rev range than a four stroke. Figures quoted in the NSI EA 81 
      OPERATING LIMITS are as follows.
              
          Idle  RPM  1350-1400
          Cruise  RPM  3200-4500
          Take off RPM    6200
          Max Continuous RPM    5800
          Never exceed RPM    6500 
      
          Regards
          Graeme 
            ----- Original Message ----- 
            From: John Anderson 
            To: kitfox-list@matronics.com 
            Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 2:09 PM
            Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Setting prop to revs
      
      
            --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson" 
            Fo a start Graeme, if you get 5000 static, that will certinly get 
      you flying safely. At 4700 your'e very near top of the  tq curve. John 
      A.
      
      
      ------------------------------------------------------------------------
      
              Hi guys, I have my prop bolted on and will be experimenting with 
      pitch soon but as I am unsure what my max static revs should be I am a 
      bit concerned. Can some body with an NSI non turbo and ground adjustable 
      prop tell me what revs I should expect to see for best results. I was 
      getting 4700 rpm flat out but feel I should be seeing over 5500 rpm. The 
      prop I have put on is a 72 inch 3 blade composite which when installed 
      into the hub comes down to 70inch.  
      
              Regards
              Graeme Toft
      
      
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      they are high....  for a car.  My subie red lines around 6200.  I 
      haven't
      had it much over 5000.  I guess that's why airplane engines age in hours
      instead of hundreds of thousands of miles.
      
      It sounds like they are saying up to 6200 maximum for lift off, 5800 max 
      for
      climb out and cruise around 4000.
      
      I would probably use 6000, 5500 and 4200 respectively.
      
      Just a guess.
      
      
      Noel
      
      -----Original Message-----
      [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of QSS
      Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 3:36 AM
      
      
      Hi John, thanks for the advice. I've been following the threads going 
      back
      and forth between yourself and others with your own plane and being at 
      the
      same point myself with engine info requirements Im really close to 
      flying.
      The problem I have is that I was sent an NSI data sheet on engine
      performance and in it the advice was that take off engine revs should be
      around 6200. I shook my head in disbelieve at these figures and asked a 
      mate
      who overhauled my engine what he thought and he agreed that the figures 
      were
      high. I was wondering if the figures quoted are for the NSI engine with 
      the
      CAP system. I dont know if that would make any difference or not but 
      6200
      seem very high and more a kin to the 2 stroke rev range than a four 
      stroke.
      Figures quoted in the NSI EA 81 OPERATING LIMITS are as follows.
          
      Idle  RPM  1350-1400
      Cruise  RPM  3200-4500
      Take off RPM    6200
      Max Continuous RPM    5800
      Never exceed RPM    6500 
      
      Regards
      Graeme 
      
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 2:09 PM
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson" 
      
      Fo a start Graeme, if you get 5000 static, that will certinly get you 
      flying
      safely. At 4700 your'e very near top of the  tq curve. John A.
      
      
        _____  
      
      Hi guys, I have my prop bolted on and will be experimenting with pitch 
      soon
      but as I am unsure what my max static revs should be I am a bit 
      concerned.
      Can some body with an NSI non turbo and ground adjustable prop tell me 
      what
      revs I should expect to see for best results. I was getting 4700 rpm 
      flat
      out but feel I should be seeing over 5500 rpm. The prop I have put on is 
      a
      72 inch 3 blade composite which when installed into the hub comes down 
      to
      70inch.  
      
      Regards
      Graeme Toft
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Setting prop to revs | 
      
      These are the 2.2 liter 1999 engine limits  recommended by  EGGENFELLNER 
      AIRCRAFT. As I recall the engine controller limits it to 6200  rpm      
      Engine  speed (EIS)  
      Maximum 5600  rpm
      Climb  5200 rpm
      Cruise  4500 =93 4800  rpm
      Descent  (sufficient to avoid gearbox rattle)
      
      We were unable to get a good climb/cruise with the ground adjustable pitch  
      set for 5200 rpm at takeoff and settled on 4700rpm. That gives about 145mph 
      IAS 
       but only 400 fpm rate of climb. Takeoff is about 380 ft however so it 
      a;pears we  are getting good enough takeoff horsepower. Eggenfellner said fo
      r the 
      type prop  we used 4700 was good for the takeoff rpm. He only recommends 
      inflight  adjustable props and his turbocharged engines are run at full thro
      ttle 
      4700rpm  in the Rans aircraft.
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Setting prop to revs | 
      
      MessageThanks Noel and AMuller. 
      
      Regards
      Graeme 
      
      Do not archive
      ---- Original Message ----- 
        From: Noel Loveys 
        To: kitfox-list@matronics.com 
        Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 10:33 PM
        Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Setting prop to revs
      
      
        they are high....  for a car.  My subie red lines around 6200.  I 
      haven't had it much over 5000.  I guess that's why airplane engines age 
      in hours instead of hundreds of thousands of miles.
      
        It sounds like they are saying up to 6200 maximum for lift off, 5800 
      max for climb out and cruise around 4000.
      
        I would probably use 6000, 5500 and 4200 respectively.
      
        Just a guess.
      
      
        Noel
      
          -----Original Message-----
          From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com 
      [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of QSS
          Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 3:36 AM
          To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
          Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Setting prop to revs
      
      
          Hi John, thanks for the advice. I've been following the threads 
      going back and forth between yourself and others with your own plane and 
      being at the same point myself with engine info requirements Im really 
      close to flying. The problem I have is that I was sent an NSI data sheet 
      on engine performance and in it the advice was that take off engine revs 
      should be around 6200. I shook my head in disbelieve at these figures 
      and asked a mate who overhauled my engine what he thought and he agreed 
      that the figures were high. I was wondering if the figures quoted are 
      for the NSI engine with the CAP system. I dont know if that would make 
      any difference or not but 6200 seem very high and more a kin to the 2 
      stroke rev range than a four stroke. Figures quoted in the NSI EA 81 
      OPERATING LIMITS are as follows.
              
          Idle  RPM  1350-1400
          Cruise  RPM  3200-4500
          Take off RPM    6200
          Max Continuous RPM    5800
          Never exceed RPM    6500 
      
          Regards
          Graeme 
            ----- Original Message ----- 
            From: John Anderson 
            To: kitfox-list@matronics.com 
            Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 2:09 PM
            Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Setting prop to revs
      
      
            --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson" 
            Fo a start Graeme, if you get 5000 static, that will certinly get 
      you flying safely. At 4700 your'e very near top of the  tq curve. John 
      A.
      
      
      ------------------------------------------------------------------------
      
              Hi guys, I have my prop bolted on and will be experimenting with 
      pitch soon but as I am unsure what my max static revs should be I am a 
      bit concerned. Can some body with an NSI non turbo and ground adjustable 
      prop tell me what revs I should expect to see for best results. I was 
      getting 4700 rpm flat out but feel I should be seeing over 5500 rpm. The 
      prop I have put on is a 72 inch 3 blade composite which when installed 
      into the hub comes down to 70inch.  
      
              Regards
              Graeme Toft
      
      
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      I would like to mention just incase you will be doing the initial test
      flights, some do, that as you lift off and the airspeed picks up the
      prop will unload and will RPMS increase. Not a big deal but should you
      go pass the 6200 rev limiter, if that is where you have it set, the
      engine will begin to cut out. Just pull back a bit on the go stick, but
      if you are not ready one might get spooked. Just thought I would mention
      it.
      
      Rick
      
      -----Original Message-----
      [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
      AMuller589@aol.com
      Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 10:45 AM
      
      
      These are the 2.2 liter 1999 engine limits  recommended by EGGENFELLNER
      AIRCRAFT. As I recall the engine controller limits it to 6200 rpm      
      Engine  speed (EIS)  
       Maximum 5600 rpm
      Climb  5200 rpm
      Cruise  4500 - 4800 rpm
      Descent  (sufficient to avoid gearbox rattle)
      
      We were unable to get a good climb/cruise with the ground adjustable
      pitch set for 5200 rpm at takeoff and settled on 4700rpm. That gives
      about 145mph IAS but only 400 fpm rate of climb. Takeoff is about 380 ft
      however so it a;pears we are getting good enough takeoff horsepower.
      Eggenfellner said for the type prop we used 4700 was good for the
      takeoff rpm. He only recommends inflight adjustable props and his
      turbocharged engines are run at full throttle 4700rpm in the Rans
      aircraft.
      
      
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| Subject:  | Priming spars on QB Wings?? | 
      
      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net>
      
      What is the groups consensus on whether to prime the front and rear wingspars or
      not?  This is the QB wing so it would require a ton of masking to make for a
      clean look.  What do you guys think and has someone done this before?  Is it
      worth the extra time and work?  I am in Utah...very dry climate...and the plane
      will never be on floats (at least as long as I own it) but is it a big point
      in the resale?  
      
      I guess it wouldn't be a huge problem if I sprayed the self etching primer...who
      cares if it gets on the ribs a little in the process, they will be covered anyway.
      
      
      Thanks,
      
      Darin
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=49633#49633
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Setting prop to revs | 
      
      MessageThanks Rick, do you feel that if I set the static revs at 5500 it 
      would avoid passing the 6200 limit when the engine unloads.
      
      Regards
      Graeme 
      ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: wingsdown 
        To: kitfox-list@matronics.com 
        Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 8:14 AM
        Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Setting prop to revs
      
      
        I would like to mention just incase you will be doing the initial test 
      flights, some do, that as you lift off and the airspeed picks up the 
      prop will unload and will RPMS increase. Not a big deal but should you 
      go pass the 6200 rev limiter, if that is where you have it set, the 
      engine will begin to cut out. Just pull back a bit on the go stick, but 
      if you are not ready one might get spooked. Just thought I would mention 
      it.
      
        Rick
          -----Original Message-----
          From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com 
      [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of 
      AMuller589@aol.com
          Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 10:45 AM
          To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
          Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Setting prop to revs
      
      
          These are the 2.2 liter 1999 engine limits  recommended by 
      EGGENFELLNER AIRCRAFT. As I recall the engine controller limits it to 
      6200 rpm      
          Engine  speed (EIS)  
           Maximum 5600 rpm
          Climb  5200 rpm
          Cruise  4500 - 4800 rpm
          Descent  (sufficient to avoid gearbox rattle)
      
          We were unable to get a good climb/cruise with the ground adjustable 
      pitch set for 5200 rpm at takeoff and settled on 4700rpm. That gives 
      about 145mph IAS but only 400 fpm rate of climb. Takeoff is about 380 ft 
      however so it a;pears we are getting good enough takeoff horsepower. 
      Eggenfellner said for the type prop we used 4700 was good for the 
      takeoff rpm. He only recommends inflight adjustable props and his 
      turbocharged engines are run at full throttle 4700rpm in the Rans 
      aircraft.
      
      
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| Subject:  | Setting prop to revs | 
      
      Think I would try 5200 first. Allot will depend on how you prefer to
      climb, steep or shallow.
      
      Rick
      
      -----Original Message-----
      [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of QSS
      Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 3:53 PM
      
      
      Thanks Rick, do you feel that if I set the static revs at 5500 it would
      avoid passing the 6200 limit when the engine unloads.
      
      Regards
      Graeme 
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      
      Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 8:14 AM
      
      I would like to mention just incase you will be doing the initial test
      flights, some do, that as you lift off and the airspeed picks up the
      prop will unload and will RPMS increase. Not a big deal but should you
      go pass the 6200 rev limiter, if that is where you have it set, the
      engine will begin to cut out. Just pull back a bit on the go stick, but
      if you are not ready one might get spooked. Just thought I would mention
      it.
      
      Rick
      
      -----Original Message-----
      [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
      AMuller589@aol.com
      Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 10:45 AM
      
      
      These are the 2.2 liter 1999 engine limits  recommended by EGGENFELLNER
      AIRCRAFT. As I recall the engine controller limits it to 6200 rpm      
      Engine  speed (EIS)  
       Maximum 5600 rpm
      Climb  5200 rpm
      Cruise  4500 - 4800 rpm
      Descent  (sufficient to avoid gearbox rattle)
      
      We were unable to get a good climb/cruise with the ground adjustable
      pitch set for 5200 rpm at takeoff and settled on 4700rpm. That gives
      about 145mph IAS but only 400 fpm rate of climb. Takeoff is about 380 ft
      however so it a;pears we are getting good enough takeoff horsepower.
      Eggenfellner said for the type prop we used 4700 was good for the
      takeoff rpm. He only recommends inflight adjustable props and his
      turbocharged engines are run at full throttle 4700rpm in the Rans
      aircraft.
      
      
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      --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jeff puls" <pulsair@mindspring.com>
      
      Darin,
      By all means primer them. Use one of those little spray guns with the cup. 
      It is used for detailing. That way you will get very little on the ribs. I 
      used a paint brush on mine. Went on thuicker than I liked. Jeff classic IV.
      
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      > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net>
      >
      > What is the groups consensus on whether to prime the front and rear 
      > wingspars or not?  This is the QB wing so it would require a ton of 
      > masking to make for a clean look.  What do you guys think and has someone 
      > done this before?  Is it worth the extra time and work?  I am in 
      > Utah...very dry climate...and the plane will never be on floats (at least 
      > as long as I own it) but is it a big point in the resale?
      >
      > I guess it wouldn't be a huge problem if I sprayed the self etching 
      > primer...who cares if it gets on the ribs a little in the process, they 
      > will be covered anyway.
      >
      > Thanks,
      >
      > Darin
      >
      >
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      I think that is a personal decision based on ones own experience and
      experience level. OK I will throw this out there. I would set it so you
      can reach pattern altitude before the prop unloads enough to hit the rev
      limiter. However with the fixed prop you also have to consider what the
      max cruise speed is you want to be able to attain.  That seems to be the
      eternal compromise with a fixed prop.  Your setting will fall in there
      some where. But for now altitude is definitely your friend. 
      
      Rick
      
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      [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
      Anderson
      Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 4:45 PM
      
      
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      What do you think Rick, it is better to have the prop set slightly on
      the fine side, don't need to use full throttle for the first t/o if it
      gets off ok, but there if you need it. I was truely amazed on first
      flight how quickly it flew. ~j~
      
      
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      Think I would try 5200 first. Allot will depend on how you prefer to
      climb, steep or shallow.
      
      Rick
      
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      [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of QSS
      Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 3:53 PM
      
      
      Thanks Rick, do you feel that if I set the static revs at 5500 it would
      avoid passing the 6200 limit when the engine unloads.
      
      Regards
      Graeme 
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      
      Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 8:14 AM
      
      I would like to mention just incase you will be doing the initial test
      flights, some do, that as you lift off and the airspeed picks up the
      prop will unload and will RPMS increase. Not a big deal but should you
      go pass the 6200 rev limiter, if that is where you have it set, the
      engine will begin to cut out. Just pull back a bit on the go stick, but
      if you are not ready one might get spooked. Just thought I would mention
      it.
      
      Rick
      
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      [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
      AMuller589@aol.com
      Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 10:45 AM
      
      
      These are the 2.2 liter 1999 engine limits  recommended by EGGENFELLNER
      AIRCRAFT. As I recall the engine controller limits it to 6200 rpm      
      Engine  speed (EIS)  
       Maximum 5600 rpm
      Climb  5200 rpm
      Cruise  4500 - 4800 rpm
      Descent  (sufficient to avoid gearbox rattle)
      
      We were unable to get a good climb/cruise with the ground adjustable
      pitch set for 5200 rpm at takeoff and settled on 4700rpm. That gives
      about 145mph IAS but only 400 fpm rate of climb. Takeoff is about 380 ft
      however so it a;pears we are getting good enough takeoff horsepower.
      Eggenfellner said for the type prop we used 4700 was good for the
      takeoff rpm. He only recommends inflight adjustable props and his
      turbocharged engines are run at full throttle 4700rpm in the Rans
      aircraft.
      
      
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