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1. 02:19 AM - Re: Setting prop to revs (John Anderson)
2. 03:02 AM - Re: Setting prop to revs (QSS)
3. 05:37 AM - Re: Setting prop to revs (Noel Loveys)
4. 10:49 AM - Re: Setting prop to revs (AMuller589@aol.com)
5. 02:22 PM - Re: Setting prop to revs (QSS)
6. 03:19 PM - Re: Setting prop to revs (wingsdown)
7. 03:49 PM - Priming spars on QB Wings?? (darinh)
8. 03:52 PM - Re: Setting prop to revs (QSS)
9. 04:09 PM - Re: Setting prop to revs (wingsdown)
10. 04:29 PM - Re: Setting prop to revs (John Anderson)
11. 04:32 PM - Re: Setting prop to revs (John Anderson)
12. 04:38 PM - Re: Priming spars on QB Wings?? (John Anderson)
13. 04:38 PM - Re: Priming spars on QB Wings?? (jeff puls)
14. 04:45 PM - Re: Setting prop to revs (John Anderson)
15. 05:00 PM - Re: Setting prop to revs (wingsdown)
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Subject: | Re: Setting prop to revs |
John, its the NSI 108 HP model. I think they are tweeked up a bit
because the standard EA 81 is much lower in HP than that. Im going to go
with your figures when Im back in Yeppoon and see how it goes. I'll let
you know the results.
Cheers
Graeme ----- Original Message -----
From: John Anderson
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 7:15 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Setting prop to revs
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson"
Yes, they certainly seem high to me me Graeme....I have a friend with
a normally asperated EA81 and limits 5500 max for t/o. Goes very well,
he has upped the comp ratio a little and bigger carb. You can always set
the prop to give you more RPM for that one-of if your underpowered a bit
but will cost on cruise. But that little engine sure is going to last
longer at lower RPM. Is it a std EA81 or have you tweeked it a little? I
limit to 5000 for t/o but rearly need it and 4000 for cruise but then
I'm turbo'd. John
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Hi John, thanks for the advice. I've been following the threads
going back and forth between yourself and others with your own plane and
being at the same point myself with engine info requirements Im really
close to flying. The problem I have is that I was sent an NSI data sheet
on engine performance and in it the advice was that take off engine revs
should be around 6200. I shook my head in disbelieve at these figures
and asked a mate who overhauled my engine what he thought and he agreed
that the figures were high. I was wondering if the figures quoted are
for the NSI engine with the CAP system. I dont know if that would make
any difference or not but 6200 seem very high and more a kin to the 2
stroke rev range than a four stroke. Figures quoted in the NSI EA 81
OPERATING LIMITS are as follows.
Idle RPM 1350-1400
Cruise RPM 3200-4500
Take off RPM 6200
Max Continuous RPM 5800
Never exceed RPM 6500
Regards
Graeme
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From: John Anderson
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 2:09 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Setting prop to revs
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson"
Fo a start Graeme, if you get 5000 static, that will certinly get
you flying safely. At 4700 your'e very near top of the tq curve. John
A.
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Hi guys, I have my prop bolted on and will be experimenting with
pitch soon but as I am unsure what my max static revs should be I am a
bit concerned. Can some body with an NSI non turbo and ground adjustable
prop tell me what revs I should expect to see for best results. I was
getting 4700 rpm flat out but feel I should be seeing over 5500 rpm. The
prop I have put on is a 72 inch 3 blade composite which when installed
into the hub comes down to 70inch.
Regards
Graeme Toft
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Subject: | Setting prop to revs |
they are high.... for a car. My subie red lines around 6200. I
haven't
had it much over 5000. I guess that's why airplane engines age in hours
instead of hundreds of thousands of miles.
It sounds like they are saying up to 6200 maximum for lift off, 5800 max
for
climb out and cruise around 4000.
I would probably use 6000, 5500 and 4200 respectively.
Just a guess.
Noel
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of QSS
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 3:36 AM
Hi John, thanks for the advice. I've been following the threads going
back
and forth between yourself and others with your own plane and being at
the
same point myself with engine info requirements Im really close to
flying.
The problem I have is that I was sent an NSI data sheet on engine
performance and in it the advice was that take off engine revs should be
around 6200. I shook my head in disbelieve at these figures and asked a
mate
who overhauled my engine what he thought and he agreed that the figures
were
high. I was wondering if the figures quoted are for the NSI engine with
the
CAP system. I dont know if that would make any difference or not but
6200
seem very high and more a kin to the 2 stroke rev range than a four
stroke.
Figures quoted in the NSI EA 81 OPERATING LIMITS are as follows.
Idle RPM 1350-1400
Cruise RPM 3200-4500
Take off RPM 6200
Max Continuous RPM 5800
Never exceed RPM 6500
Regards
Graeme
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 2:09 PM
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson"
Fo a start Graeme, if you get 5000 static, that will certinly get you
flying
safely. At 4700 your'e very near top of the tq curve. John A.
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Hi guys, I have my prop bolted on and will be experimenting with pitch
soon
but as I am unsure what my max static revs should be I am a bit
concerned.
Can some body with an NSI non turbo and ground adjustable prop tell me
what
revs I should expect to see for best results. I was getting 4700 rpm
flat
out but feel I should be seeing over 5500 rpm. The prop I have put on is
a
72 inch 3 blade composite which when installed into the hub comes down
to
70inch.
Regards
Graeme Toft
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Subject: | Re: Setting prop to revs |
These are the 2.2 liter 1999 engine limits recommended by EGGENFELLNER
AIRCRAFT. As I recall the engine controller limits it to 6200 rpm
Engine speed (EIS)
Maximum 5600 rpm
Climb 5200 rpm
Cruise 4500 =93 4800 rpm
Descent (sufficient to avoid gearbox rattle)
We were unable to get a good climb/cruise with the ground adjustable pitch
set for 5200 rpm at takeoff and settled on 4700rpm. That gives about 145mph
IAS
but only 400 fpm rate of climb. Takeoff is about 380 ft however so it
a;pears we are getting good enough takeoff horsepower. Eggenfellner said fo
r the
type prop we used 4700 was good for the takeoff rpm. He only recommends
inflight adjustable props and his turbocharged engines are run at full thro
ttle
4700rpm in the Rans aircraft.
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Subject: | Re: Setting prop to revs |
MessageThanks Noel and AMuller.
Regards
Graeme
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---- Original Message -----
From: Noel Loveys
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 10:33 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Setting prop to revs
they are high.... for a car. My subie red lines around 6200. I
haven't had it much over 5000. I guess that's why airplane engines age
in hours instead of hundreds of thousands of miles.
It sounds like they are saying up to 6200 maximum for lift off, 5800
max for climb out and cruise around 4000.
I would probably use 6000, 5500 and 4200 respectively.
Just a guess.
Noel
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of QSS
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 3:36 AM
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Setting prop to revs
Hi John, thanks for the advice. I've been following the threads
going back and forth between yourself and others with your own plane and
being at the same point myself with engine info requirements Im really
close to flying. The problem I have is that I was sent an NSI data sheet
on engine performance and in it the advice was that take off engine revs
should be around 6200. I shook my head in disbelieve at these figures
and asked a mate who overhauled my engine what he thought and he agreed
that the figures were high. I was wondering if the figures quoted are
for the NSI engine with the CAP system. I dont know if that would make
any difference or not but 6200 seem very high and more a kin to the 2
stroke rev range than a four stroke. Figures quoted in the NSI EA 81
OPERATING LIMITS are as follows.
Idle RPM 1350-1400
Cruise RPM 3200-4500
Take off RPM 6200
Max Continuous RPM 5800
Never exceed RPM 6500
Regards
Graeme
----- Original Message -----
From: John Anderson
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 2:09 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Setting prop to revs
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson"
Fo a start Graeme, if you get 5000 static, that will certinly get
you flying safely. At 4700 your'e very near top of the tq curve. John
A.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Hi guys, I have my prop bolted on and will be experimenting with
pitch soon but as I am unsure what my max static revs should be I am a
bit concerned. Can some body with an NSI non turbo and ground adjustable
prop tell me what revs I should expect to see for best results. I was
getting 4700 rpm flat out but feel I should be seeing over 5500 rpm. The
prop I have put on is a 72 inch 3 blade composite which when installed
into the hub comes down to 70inch.
Regards
Graeme Toft
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Subject: | Setting prop to revs |
I would like to mention just incase you will be doing the initial test
flights, some do, that as you lift off and the airspeed picks up the
prop will unload and will RPMS increase. Not a big deal but should you
go pass the 6200 rev limiter, if that is where you have it set, the
engine will begin to cut out. Just pull back a bit on the go stick, but
if you are not ready one might get spooked. Just thought I would mention
it.
Rick
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
AMuller589@aol.com
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 10:45 AM
These are the 2.2 liter 1999 engine limits recommended by EGGENFELLNER
AIRCRAFT. As I recall the engine controller limits it to 6200 rpm
Engine speed (EIS)
Maximum 5600 rpm
Climb 5200 rpm
Cruise 4500 - 4800 rpm
Descent (sufficient to avoid gearbox rattle)
We were unable to get a good climb/cruise with the ground adjustable
pitch set for 5200 rpm at takeoff and settled on 4700rpm. That gives
about 145mph IAS but only 400 fpm rate of climb. Takeoff is about 380 ft
however so it a;pears we are getting good enough takeoff horsepower.
Eggenfellner said for the type prop we used 4700 was good for the
takeoff rpm. He only recommends inflight adjustable props and his
turbocharged engines are run at full throttle 4700rpm in the Rans
aircraft.
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Subject: | Priming spars on QB Wings?? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net>
What is the groups consensus on whether to prime the front and rear wingspars or
not? This is the QB wing so it would require a ton of masking to make for a
clean look. What do you guys think and has someone done this before? Is it
worth the extra time and work? I am in Utah...very dry climate...and the plane
will never be on floats (at least as long as I own it) but is it a big point
in the resale?
I guess it wouldn't be a huge problem if I sprayed the self etching primer...who
cares if it gets on the ribs a little in the process, they will be covered anyway.
Thanks,
Darin
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Subject: | Re: Setting prop to revs |
MessageThanks Rick, do you feel that if I set the static revs at 5500 it
would avoid passing the 6200 limit when the engine unloads.
Regards
Graeme
----- Original Message -----
From: wingsdown
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 8:14 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Setting prop to revs
I would like to mention just incase you will be doing the initial test
flights, some do, that as you lift off and the airspeed picks up the
prop will unload and will RPMS increase. Not a big deal but should you
go pass the 6200 rev limiter, if that is where you have it set, the
engine will begin to cut out. Just pull back a bit on the go stick, but
if you are not ready one might get spooked. Just thought I would mention
it.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
AMuller589@aol.com
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 10:45 AM
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Setting prop to revs
These are the 2.2 liter 1999 engine limits recommended by
EGGENFELLNER AIRCRAFT. As I recall the engine controller limits it to
6200 rpm
Engine speed (EIS)
Maximum 5600 rpm
Climb 5200 rpm
Cruise 4500 - 4800 rpm
Descent (sufficient to avoid gearbox rattle)
We were unable to get a good climb/cruise with the ground adjustable
pitch set for 5200 rpm at takeoff and settled on 4700rpm. That gives
about 145mph IAS but only 400 fpm rate of climb. Takeoff is about 380 ft
however so it a;pears we are getting good enough takeoff horsepower.
Eggenfellner said for the type prop we used 4700 was good for the
takeoff rpm. He only recommends inflight adjustable props and his
turbocharged engines are run at full throttle 4700rpm in the Rans
aircraft.
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Subject: | Setting prop to revs |
Think I would try 5200 first. Allot will depend on how you prefer to
climb, steep or shallow.
Rick
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of QSS
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 3:53 PM
Thanks Rick, do you feel that if I set the static revs at 5500 it would
avoid passing the 6200 limit when the engine unloads.
Regards
Graeme
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 8:14 AM
I would like to mention just incase you will be doing the initial test
flights, some do, that as you lift off and the airspeed picks up the
prop will unload and will RPMS increase. Not a big deal but should you
go pass the 6200 rev limiter, if that is where you have it set, the
engine will begin to cut out. Just pull back a bit on the go stick, but
if you are not ready one might get spooked. Just thought I would mention
it.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
AMuller589@aol.com
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 10:45 AM
These are the 2.2 liter 1999 engine limits recommended by EGGENFELLNER
AIRCRAFT. As I recall the engine controller limits it to 6200 rpm
Engine speed (EIS)
Maximum 5600 rpm
Climb 5200 rpm
Cruise 4500 - 4800 rpm
Descent (sufficient to avoid gearbox rattle)
We were unable to get a good climb/cruise with the ground adjustable
pitch set for 5200 rpm at takeoff and settled on 4700rpm. That gives
about 145mph IAS but only 400 fpm rate of climb. Takeoff is about 380 ft
however so it a;pears we are getting good enough takeoff horsepower.
Eggenfellner said for the type prop we used 4700 was good for the
takeoff rpm. He only recommends inflight adjustable props and his
turbocharged engines are run at full throttle 4700rpm in the Rans
aircraft.
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Subject: | Re: Priming spars on QB Wings?? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jeff puls" <pulsair@mindspring.com>
Darin,
By all means primer them. Use one of those little spray guns with the cup.
It is used for detailing. That way you will get very little on the ribs. I
used a paint brush on mine. Went on thuicker than I liked. Jeff classic IV.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 6:47 PM
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net>
>
> What is the groups consensus on whether to prime the front and rear
> wingspars or not? This is the QB wing so it would require a ton of
> masking to make for a clean look. What do you guys think and has someone
> done this before? Is it worth the extra time and work? I am in
> Utah...very dry climate...and the plane will never be on floats (at least
> as long as I own it) but is it a big point in the resale?
>
> I guess it wouldn't be a huge problem if I sprayed the self etching
> primer...who cares if it gets on the ribs a little in the process, they
> will be covered anyway.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Darin
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=49633#49633
>
>
>
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Subject: | Setting prop to revs |
I think that is a personal decision based on ones own experience and
experience level. OK I will throw this out there. I would set it so you
can reach pattern altitude before the prop unloads enough to hit the rev
limiter. However with the fixed prop you also have to consider what the
max cruise speed is you want to be able to attain. That seems to be the
eternal compromise with a fixed prop. Your setting will fall in there
some where. But for now altitude is definitely your friend.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Anderson
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 4:45 PM
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson"
What do you think Rick, it is better to have the prop set slightly on
the fine side, don't need to use full throttle for the first t/o if it
gets off ok, but there if you need it. I was truely amazed on first
flight how quickly it flew. ~j~
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Think I would try 5200 first. Allot will depend on how you prefer to
climb, steep or shallow.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of QSS
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 3:53 PM
Thanks Rick, do you feel that if I set the static revs at 5500 it would
avoid passing the 6200 limit when the engine unloads.
Regards
Graeme
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 8:14 AM
I would like to mention just incase you will be doing the initial test
flights, some do, that as you lift off and the airspeed picks up the
prop will unload and will RPMS increase. Not a big deal but should you
go pass the 6200 rev limiter, if that is where you have it set, the
engine will begin to cut out. Just pull back a bit on the go stick, but
if you are not ready one might get spooked. Just thought I would mention
it.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
AMuller589@aol.com
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 10:45 AM
These are the 2.2 liter 1999 engine limits recommended by EGGENFELLNER
AIRCRAFT. As I recall the engine controller limits it to 6200 rpm
Engine speed (EIS)
Maximum 5600 rpm
Climb 5200 rpm
Cruise 4500 - 4800 rpm
Descent (sufficient to avoid gearbox rattle)
We were unable to get a good climb/cruise with the ground adjustable
pitch set for 5200 rpm at takeoff and settled on 4700rpm. That gives
about 145mph IAS but only 400 fpm rate of climb. Takeoff is about 380 ft
however so it a;pears we are getting good enough takeoff horsepower.
Eggenfellner said for the type prop we used 4700 was good for the
takeoff rpm. He only recommends inflight adjustable props and his
turbocharged engines are run at full throttle 4700rpm in the Rans
aircraft.
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