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1. 12:05 AM - Vacuum pressure (QSS)
2. 02:29 AM - SV: Stall in a side slip (Michel Verheughe)
3. 02:40 AM - Painting spars (Dave and Diane)
4. 02:59 AM - Re: Need blank Model 5 panel... (Barry West)
5. 03:11 AM - Re: Looking for gas leak (Barry West)
6. 06:20 AM - Re: Looking for gas leak (wingnut)
7. 06:22 AM - Re: Leaking tank. (wingnut)
8. 07:03 AM - Re: Re: Looking for gas leak (Rexster)
9. 07:10 AM - Re: Re: Looking for gas leak (Floran Higgins)
10. 07:46 AM - Re: Looking for gas leak (Richard Rabbers)
11. 08:41 AM - Re: Need blank Model 5 panel... (Frank J. Dykas)
12. 08:58 AM - Re: Looking for gas leak (wwillyard@aol.com)
13. 09:11 AM - FW: It's All Relative (Don McIntosh)
14. 09:30 AM - Re: Vacuum pressure (AMuller589@aol.com)
15. 09:50 AM - Re: Re: Stall in a side slip (Marco Menezes)
16. 09:59 AM - Re: Re: Looking for gas leak (Lowell Fitt)
17. 10:06 AM - Re: Looking for gas leak (Lowell Fitt)
18. 10:27 AM - Re: Re: Leaking tank. (Marco Menezes)
19. 10:52 AM - Flaps. WAS: side slip (Michel Verheughe)
20. 11:38 AM - Re: Re: Looking for gas leak (Randy Daughenbaugh)
21. 12:18 PM - Re: Leaking tank. (wingnut)
22. 01:53 PM - Re: Re: Looking for gas leak (Barry West)
23. 02:05 PM - Lycoming and/or Continental Cowling (Stan Bearup)
24. 02:30 PM - Re: Re: Leaking tank. (Fox5flyer)
25. 05:16 PM - Matronics Email List Web Server Upgrade Tonight... (Matt Dralle)
26. 05:42 PM - Re: Painting spars (John Anderson)
27. 05:48 PM - Re: Re: Looking for gas leak (John Anderson)
28. 05:51 PM - Re: FW: It's All Relative (John Anderson)
29. 06:42 PM - ANR headsets for Rotax 912 (Brian Rodgers)
30. 06:58 PM - Re: FW: It's All Relative (Lowell Fitt)
31. 07:03 PM - Re: Re: Leaking tank. (Floran Higgins)
32. 07:27 PM - Re: Need blank Model 5 panel... (wingsdown)
33. 07:33 PM - Sorry to hear of these Accidents (Richard Rabbers)
34. 07:51 PM - Re: Re: Looking for gas leak (Randy Daughenbaugh)
35. 07:52 PM - experimental tail dragger,s in michigan (Malcolmbru@aol.com)
36. 08:14 PM - Re: Need blank Model 5 panel... (Grant Fluent)
37. 08:14 PM - Re: FW: It's All Relative (Noel Loveys)
38. 08:15 PM - Re: Lycoming and/or Continental Cowling (barge levy)
39. 08:19 PM - Re: Solo! (Grant Fluent)
40. 08:27 PM - Re: Re: Looking for gas leak (James Shumaker)
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Hi Guys, I just had another 30 minutes in the circuit letting things
settle in but noticed my vacuum (MAP) is sitting on 10 on take off (only
pulling 5200rpm) and goes back to around 3 at 4400 rpm in cruise. Are
these figure OK and if not how are they adjusted?
Regards
Graeme
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| Subject: | Stall in a side slip |
Mike, Dave, Colin, thank you for your answers. A very interesting discussion.
They all seem to go in the same direction: Get an instructor that teaches you spins.
But I forgot to mention that I am only ... 70% of a pilot. My pilot license and
aircraft registration is under the European Ultralight (a.k.a. microlight) rule.
I say 70% because our theory knowledge requirement is about 70% of the PPL
books. We don't need altitude medicine or DME/VOR/NDB navigation. But, e.g. meteorology
is the same since the met office won't give us ... micro weather! :-)
Anyway, the Norwegian Ultralight class says: No bank over 60 degrees, no pitch
over +/- 30 degrees, no stall at any cost, no flight over the water more than
10 km and hardtop helmets are compulsory.
Furthermore, as Graeme says (BTW, congrats on the beautiful plane, I like your
ply/epoxy luggage box) ... isn't spins illegal with our planes?
My original question was:
When I told my son that we should practice dead-stick precision landing, eventually
using side-slip to land on the mark, he asked: "Is it safe?"
I then decided to ask the question to the list because, even if I read somewhere
that a stall in a slip was less dangerous than in a skid, I value a second opinion
from its experienced members.
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dave and Diane <ddsyverson@comcast.net>
This is addressed to the person deciding to paint, or not paint the spars
before covering the wings:
I believe you decided to paint the spars.
Just be absolutely sure you use only paint that is compatible with the
solvents in the glue and other chemicals used in covering.
If you are using the Polyfiber products - this means epoxy on the spars (or
urethane, but then you would use epoxy under the urethane anyway)
Lacquer, enamel and other hardware store paints will pucker and peel leaving
you with a real mess when covering.
Sincerely,
Dave S.
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| Subject: | Re: Need blank Model 5 panel... |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Barry West" <barry@pgtc.com>
Tony, if you can get a piece of 1/16 or 3/32 aluminum sheet, 6061 T6, and
the shape, it is fairly easy to cut it out your self. A band saw would be
best but a saber saw will do. Someone should be able to send you a full
size drawing if there is not one in your kit. If the model V is the same
panel as the model IV, I can send you one. Also, the Dremel may be nice for
clean up but there are better ways to make the cut outs. Hole saws are
available that size and a fly cutter will do it in a drill press.
I had someone cut mine with a CNC milling machine. In the Pulsar I have
been building the panel was cut out with a CNC water jet.
Barry West
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 9:33 PM
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Black Cat" <blackcatmoan@hotmail.com>
>
> Hi Everyone.
>
> My name is Tony and this is my first post.
> I've been looking online for a blank instrument panel for my Model V
> tail-dragger, so I can redesign it.
> Unfortunately, all I find are companies that cut them for you and sell
> them with instruments.
> But that's no fun. I want to do the wiring and dremeling myself.
> I would greatly appreciate someone pointing me in the right direction.
>
> Wish you all blue skies.
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List
> http://wiki.matronics.com
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for gas leak |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Barry West" <barry@pgtc.com>
Wingnut, I wouldn't discount the possibility or a true leak but it is
possible that enough vapor comes through the rubber fuel lines. This is a
common occurrence in Pulsars and there is a particular type of hose that
will fix the problem that has a teflon inner lining. If you want to pursue
it, I will dig out the type of hose.
Barry West
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 10:23 PM
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
>
> I opened the door to 824KF yesterday to find that she reeked of gas. I
> guess I have a leak but I can't find any evidence of it (other than the
> smell). Any ideas?
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=50914#50914
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for gas leak |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
Doors don't hit the drains. Also, the odor is definately inside the cockpit. Any
suggestions on where I can look to check for a tank leak? If the only way to
check inolves cutting fabric then I guess I'll try changing the fuel lines first.
Since I'm using mogas can I just use automotive fuel lines?
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| Subject: | Re: Leaking tank. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
I would think that if the header tank was just smelly, I would have detected it
before. I've had the plane for eight months now. This is the first time I noticed
it and it was very strong so I'm guessing it's a new thing.
> Turned out the smell was coming from the plastic header tank. It permeates the
smell without leaking. Yep, it was my problem too. Is it yours by chance?
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for gas leak |
If you're using mogas, do not use mil spec fuel lines. Mil spec lines ha
ve been known to soften/ separate inside and collapse, restricting or ev
en stopping fuel flow. I went to NAPA and replaced all my fuel lines, bo
th in the cabin and engine compartment. I still suspect that you are sme
lling fuel that is in the plastic header tank. My buddy and I have had t
hat problem for many years. There's no leak, it's just the smell of gas
permeating through the tank. Let us know what you find out, ok?
Rex in Michigan
-- "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
Doors don't hit the drains. Also, the odor is definately inside the cock
pit. Any suggestions on where I can look to check for a tank leak? If th
e only way to check inolves cutting fabric then I guess I'll try changin
g the fuel lines first. Since I'm using mogas can I just use automotive
fuel lines?
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for gas leak |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Floran Higgins" <cliffh@outdrs.net>
I had a gas leak on my model 4 speedster. It was the fitting at the left
wing tank. I removed the fitting and reinstalled it with some sealant and
solved the problem.
Floran H.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 7:15 AM
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
>
> Doors don't hit the drains. Also, the odor is definately inside the
> cockpit. Any suggestions on where I can look to check for a tank leak? If
> the only way to check inolves cutting fabric then I guess I'll try
> changing the fuel lines first. Since I'm using mogas can I just use
> automotive fuel lines?
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=50986#50986
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for gas leak |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Richard Rabbers" <rira1950@yahoo.com>
I'd assume ethanol blend / vapors would be more noticable than straight gas. Could
this be a factor?
--------
Richard in SW Michigan
Model 1 / 618 - full-lotus floats (restoration)
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| Subject: | Re: Need blank Model 5 panel... |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Frank J. Dykas" <frank@dykaslaw.com>
You could check with Kifoxaircraft.com, I'm sure they have them. I should
be the same as for the Series 7
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 8:33 PM
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Black Cat" <blackcatmoan@hotmail.com>
>
> Hi Everyone.
>
> My name is Tony and this is my first post.
> I've been looking online for a blank instrument panel for my Model V
> tail-dragger, so I can redesign it.
> Unfortunately, all I find are companies that cut them for you and sell
> them with instruments.
> But that's no fun. I want to do the wiring and dremeling myself.
> I would greatly appreciate someone pointing me in the right direction.
>
> Wish you all blue skies.
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List
> http://wiki.matronics.com
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for gas leak |
> I opened the door to 824KF yesterday to find that she reeked of gas. I guess
I have a leak but I can't find any evidence of it (other than the smell). Any
ideas?
I had the same situation. I replaces all the fuel lines with automotive grade and
no more fuel odor.
Bill W.
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| Subject: | FW: It's All Relative |
I thought this was pertinent to Kitfox flying.
Don McIntosh
It's All Relative
The young flight instructor is pounding the pattern in a basic trainer.
Half watching his student and half thinking of getting a real flying job.
Some twin-engine time, a little cross-country IFR. Boy would that be sweet.
Above him at 8,000 feet a freight-dog in a beat-up Beech Barron bounces
along. Cursing the turbulence and the heat and the holes in the instrument
panel, he thinks about one day getting a turbine job.
At 18,000 feet the crew of a King Air are droning along on autopilot,
enjoying the air-conditioned cockpit. But the noise and vibration of the
propellers is annoying, and the turbine-twin will not climb out of all the
weather. The lady PIC is close to a jet job, and keeps looking up above the
tops of the building cumulus.
At flight level 390 dinner is being served to the major airline captain.
Life is sweet. But his schedule sucks again next month, stupid recurrent
training, and the mustard for the steak is too spicy again. He looks out
the windshield as a glint of sunlight catches his eye strangely above the
horizon. "It's the space station," says the first officer. "Now that would
be sweet."
Floating over to a window, the astronaut looks down on the colorful blue and
green quilt set amongst the void of space. A former fighter and test pilot,
the Space Shuttle commander is picking out ground features as he orbits
over middle America. "You see those two rivers, just east of the city?" he
says. "There is a little airport down there. I first soloed in a Piper Cub
right there." "Now that is real flying."
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| Subject: | Re: Vacuum pressure |
our non-turbo subaru shows nearly 29 in hg on t.o. and ground runup and
about 10 in hg at idle. We first had inaccurate/no readings thinking there was
a wiring problem but found the manifold pressure line had been clogged at the
sensor box inlet with sealant. Sounds like your problem is pinched or
plugged line. Check for adequate flow by sucking on it?
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| Subject: | Re: Stall in a side slip |
So clear I've developed a headache. ;-)
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Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan
At 02:43 PM 7/29/2006, you wrote:
>When I do a side slip on final (with engine on or not) I always do it
>with left stick and right rudder so that, from the left-hand seat, I
>get a better view of the runway. My right wing is high, my left is low.
>Which is the trailing one? The right wing?
Yes.
>I think I read (as I write in my previous email) that a stall and slip
>was less dangerous than a stall and skid. Do you mean it is the
>opposite?
The reason a skid is worse IN A TURN is because in a stabilized turn the
inside wing is slower than the outside wing. Thus the inside wing ALWAYS
has a higher angle of attack than the outside. Now it gets a little
complex. When you skid or slip an aircraft with dihedral, the leading
wing's angle of attack increases, and the following wing's angle of attack
decreases, all along the length of the dihedral. (This is why you can turn
with rudder only.) In a skid, with rudder into the turn, the outside wing's
angle of attack increases. To prevent roll to the inside you apply outside,
(cross-controlled,) aileron. In a typical aircraft with a short, attached,
aileron out near the wing tip, this means the angle of attack over the
inside aileron is higher than that just inboard of the aileron and MUCH
higher than that of the opposite wing. Therefore the flow over the inside
aileron stalls first, resulting in a terrific rolling moment to the inside.
If the skid is extreme enough to actually blanket some of the inside wing
then the cross-control must be increased to offset the reduction in
effective area. The situation is reversed in a slip. With outside rudder
you lift the outside wing with aileron, increasing the local angle of
attack, but the outside wing has a lower angle of attack to begin with
because it's going faster. Therefore the slip can be considered "safer"
than the skid. (Note, however, you CAN spin out of a slipped turn, it just
takes a little more work. You flip over the top rather than dropping to the
inside giving you a little more time, as I think Dave already mentioned.)
With our flaperons I'm not sure we run the risks that normal ailerons do,
since our flaperons are really fully flying "wings". I don't know whether
we roll because we change the angle of attack of the wing, or if we roll
because our "little wings" push the "big wings" around. If the latter, we
may be much less sensitive to slip / skid spins. (Unless the flaperon stalls.)
The other way a slip or skid can ruin your day is more dynamic. If you
begin a sharp turn with your wings very close to the critical angle of
attack and then kick in an abrupt dose of inside rudder to tighten the turn
the inside wing slows dramatically, increasing its angle of attack. As it
begins to drop due to the resulting decrease in lift, (remember lift is
proportional to the velocity squared,) the angle of attack increases still
more resulting in a stall of that wing. (If it hasn't stalled already.) You
snap into a spin even before you've had time to react with any
cross-control aileron. (Of course, any aileron you might apply merely
exacerbates the problem.) I think gliders are particularly prone to this
type of skid-spin because of their long spans.
Clear as mud?
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
Marco Menezes
Model 2 582 N99KX
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for gas leak |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
If the tank is indeed leaking, it will eventually stain the fabric. My tank
leaked on top and there is a slight yellowing of the fabric in the area of
the leak. This was with Aerothane and I presume it would affect Polytone
also.
My cockpit smell is most heavy on hot days.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 6:15 AM
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
>
> Doors don't hit the drains. Also, the odor is definately inside the
> cockpit. Any suggestions on where I can look to check for a tank leak? If
> the only way to check inolves cutting fabric then I guess I'll try
> changing the fuel lines first. Since I'm using mogas can I just use
> automotive fuel lines?
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=50986#50986
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for gas leak |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
If you have the poly header tank, there was early list discussions on
sealing the AN fittings as they attach to the tank. These can leak enough
to get a smell without a visible drip. One way I found to check fittings is
to use a small strip of papertowel or tissue and put the edge to the suspect
joint and check the paper for dampness.
It doesn't take much of a leak to cause an oder. I suspect my smell is due
to fuel line permeability as mentioned. I can detect the oder at the line
with the turtle deck off.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 8:23 PM
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
>
> I opened the door to 824KF yesterday to find that she reeked of gas. I
> guess I have a leak but I can't find any evidence of it (other than the
> smell). Any ideas?
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=50914#50914
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Leaking tank. |
Check the header tank for a slow leak. Feel the sides, especially around fittings
for wetness, smell your fingers. Look at fabric underneath for signs of dripping.
Touch, feel smell. If leak is inside your wing(s), there's no reason why
you'd be smelling gas so strongly in the cabin.
wingnut <wingnut@spamarrest.com> wrote: --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut"
I would think that if the header tank was just smelly, I would have detected it
before. I've had the plane for eight months now. This is the first time I noticed
it and it was very strong so I'm guessing it's a new thing.
> Turned out the smell was coming from the plastic header tank. It permeates the
smell without leaking. Yep, it was my problem too. Is it yours by chance?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=50988#50988
Marco Menezes
Model 2 582 N99KX
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| Subject: | Flaps. WAS: side slip |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Hello Mike,
On Jul 30, 2006, at 10:52 PM, Michael Gibbs wrote:
> I don't know how the Model III compares with the Model IV, but my IV
> was a wonderful performer with the flaps down.
In order to become a ... 71% pilot :-) I need to ask you a question. Do
your flaps really give you added drag? My very subjective perception is
this: When I fly an airliner and the flaps are deployed, I can feel a
slight deceleration that I attribute (maybe wrongly) to the added drag.
With my Kitfox that has full flaps limited to only 10 degrees by the
builder, I notice an added lift but no drag.
Lift is good when I want to get quickly away from the runway, but ...
does it help when landing? Of course, it should reduce my stall speed
by a few knots but is that worth the probable loss of bank control?
When I land, of course I try to do it right on the spot with idle
engine. If I am too short and have to add a tad of throttle, I always
feel it like a defeat for my 3-dimensional perception. So, most often,
I am a bit too high from the perfect glide slope and I use side slip to
pull the nose down without gaining too much speed. If I could achieve
the same with flaps, I surely would.
Do you think I should modify my flaps settings and allow for e.g. up to
20 degrees?
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for gas leak |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
One of my sight tubes developed a leak after about a year and half. I
replaced it and now fine again.
Also, I like the Tygon fuel lines. I like being able to actually see the
fuel in the lines. So far they are staying flexible.
Randy
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| Subject: | Re: Leaking tank. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
> If leak is inside your?wing(s), there's?no reason why you'd be smelling gas so
strongly in the cabin.
DOH! Didn't think of that. I guess all talk regarding the new mogas mixes being
bad for the wingtanks had me focused in that area. I'll take a closer look at
those fittings. Thanks!
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=51138#51138
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for gas leak |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Barry West" <barry@pgtc.com>
Randy, does the Tygon darken? Mine darken to the point where they are hard
to read after a couple of years.
I have the rigid plastic that came with the kit. Probably polycarbonate.
Barry
t
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 1:37 PM
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh"
> <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
>
> One of my sight tubes developed a leak after about a year and half. I
> replaced it and now fine again.
>
> Also, I like the Tygon fuel lines. I like being able to actually see the
> fuel in the lines. So far they are staying flexible.
>
> Randy
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Lycoming and/or Continental Cowling |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Stan Bearup" <bearup@ida.net>
Does anyone know a source for a Lycoming or Continental cowling for a
Kitfox? I am building a Just Aircraft Highlander and am looking at
installing a 125 HP Franklin 4A-235 engine. I am thinking that perhaps I can
adapt a Kitfox S5, S6, or S7 cowling.
Stan
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| Subject: | Re: Leaking tank. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
You shouldn't have any problem locating the leak if you remove the seat pan
completely and do a little investigative work. Those plastic tanks combined
with brass fittings are notorious for seepage and the easiest way is to get
it out in the open and run your dry finger around the bottom or entry point
of each fitting. If there's any seepage you'll quickly find it on your
finger by using the smell test.
If that doesn't work, follow the line downstream toward the engine and check
each fitting the same way. The same goes for upstream on each wing tank
line/fitting. Don't forget the vent line and the quick drain on the bottom
of the tank.
Hope this helps.
Deke
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 9:21 AM
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
>
> I would think that if the header tank was just smelly, I would have
detected it before. I've had the plane for eight months now. This is the
first time I noticed it and it was very strong so I'm guessing it's a new
thing.
>
>
> > Turned out the smell was coming from the plastic header tank. It
permeates the smell without leaking. Yep, it was my problem too. Is it yours
by chance?
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=50988#50988
>
>
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| Subject: | Matronics Email List Web Server Upgrade Tonight... |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
This evening I will be upgrading the Matronics Web Server hardware to a new Quad-processor
2.8Ghz Xeon system (yes, 4-physical CPUs!) with an Ultra 320 SCSI
Raid 5 disk system and 5GB of DDR2 RAM.
As with the older system, the new system will be running the latest version of
Redhat Linux. Most of the software configuration work is already done for the
migration, but I still have to sync all of the archive and forum data from the
old system to the new system. I am anticipating about 2 to 3 hours of downtime
for me to fully make the transition, although it could be considerable less
if everything goes according to plan.
The Matronics Webserver will be *UNavailable* from the Internet during the work,
and you will receive a time-out if you try to connect during the upgrade.
Email List Distribution will be *available* during the upgrade of the Web Server,
and List message distribution will function as normal.
This represents a significant performance upgrade for the Matronics Web Server
and you should notice nicely improved searching and surfing performance following
the upgrade!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| Subject: | FW: It's All Relative |
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| Subject: | ANR headsets for Rotax 912 |
Group,
Are any of you using an ANR/ANC headset with your Rotax 912?
Brand/model? Opinion?
The ANR headsets that I've looked at seem to focus on the lower
frequencies, but the 912 produces a bit higher pitched sound, in my
opinion. I didn't find a sound booth at OSH what made anything like the
912 sound unfortunately, but did mention that to the booth operators, so
maybe in the future...
Brian
Model IV w/ 912 and NSI CAP
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| Subject: | Re: FW: It's All Relative |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Don,
Thanks. This has essentially been my thought since flying my Kitfox. Three
days to Oshkosh? You bet. Where could you be more in the groove - great
companions, great scenery and foremost a really great fun airplane to fly.
When we flew there two summers ago, it was interesting that we who could see
the ground from 500 to 1000 ft. were monitoring the air to air frequency and
heard lots of anguished talk from the "big boys" who were fast and high
above the clouds and fretting about finding a hole to get down to where we
were - and where we always fly.
I love it. I just went out and gave my airplane a hug.
Lowell
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 9:11 AM
>I thought this was pertinent to Kitfox flying.
>
>
> Don McIntosh
>
>
> It's All Relative
>
>
> The young flight instructor is pounding the pattern in a basic trainer.
> Half watching his student and half thinking of getting a real flying job.
> Some twin-engine time, a little cross-country IFR. Boy would that be
> sweet.
>
>
> Above him at 8,000 feet a freight-dog in a beat-up Beech Barron bounces
> along. Cursing the turbulence and the heat and the holes in the instrument
> panel, he thinks about one day getting a turbine job.
>
> At 18,000 feet the crew of a King Air are droning along on autopilot,
> enjoying the air-conditioned cockpit. But the noise and vibration of the
> propellers is annoying, and the turbine-twin will not climb out of all
> the
> weather. The lady PIC is close to a jet job, and keeps looking up above
> the
> tops of the building cumulus.
>
> At flight level 390 dinner is being served to the major airline captain.
> Life is sweet. But his schedule sucks again next month, stupid recurrent
> training, and the mustard for the steak is too spicy again. He looks out
> the windshield as a glint of sunlight catches his eye strangely above the
> horizon. "It's the space station," says the first officer. "Now that
> would
> be sweet."
>
> Floating over to a window, the astronaut looks down on the colorful blue
> and
> green quilt set amongst the void of space. A former fighter and test
> pilot,
> the Space Shuttle commander is picking out ground features as he orbits
> over middle America. "You see those two rivers, just east of the city?"
> he
> says. "There is a little airport down there. I first soloed in a Piper
> Cub
> right there." "Now that is real flying."
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Leaking tank. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Floran Higgins" <cliffh@outdrs.net>
When I had a leak in the fitting on the left tank the smell in the cabin was
very strong.
Floran H.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 1:17 PM
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
>
>
>> If leak is inside your?wing(s), there's?no reason why you'd be smelling
>> gas so strongly in the cabin.
>
>
> DOH! Didn't think of that. I guess all talk regarding the new mogas mixes
> being bad for the wingtanks had me focused in that area. I'll take a
> closer look at those fittings. Thanks!
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=51138#51138
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Need blank Model 5 panel... |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingsdown" <wingsdown@comcast.net>
It is just a piece of aluminum. Make a cardboard mock up and cut it out
your self. You only require one 90 degree bend at the bottom, pretty
simple really. You can get as fancy as you like with design.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frank J.
Dykas
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 8:39 AM
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Frank J. Dykas" <frank@dykaslaw.com>
You could check with Kifoxaircraft.com, I'm sure they have them. I
should
be the same as for the Series 7
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 8:33 PM
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Black Cat"
> --> <blackcatmoan@hotmail.com>
>
> Hi Everyone.
>
> My name is Tony and this is my first post.
> I've been looking online for a blank instrument panel for my Model V
> tail-dragger, so I can redesign it.
> Unfortunately, all I find are companies that cut them for you and sell
> them with instruments.
> But that's no fun. I want to do the wiring and dremeling myself.
> I would greatly appreciate someone pointing me in the right direction.
>
> Wish you all blue skies.
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List
> http://wiki.matronics.com
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Sorry to hear of these Accidents |
I received a short note from a friend that reporting a death at Oshkosh.
I searched and found far more than I expected. This was my first trip to Airventure
it was great.
Sad to hear the bad news. One was a ditching. Basics and links below.
I hope that is all of them
---------------------------------------------------------------
OSHKOSH, Wis. The propeller of a Navy warbird sliced into a home-built airplane
on a taxiway during an airshow Sunday, killing a Canadian man inside, officials
said.
http://www.startribune.com/462/story/584201.html
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Short landing
Federal aviation officials continue to investigate the fatal crash of a homebuilt
airplane as it approached the east-west runway at Wittman Regional Airport
Sunday morning.
The planes two occupants were killed when their small homebuilt plane came down
short of the runway as they arrived in Oshkosh at 8:45 a.m. in advance of todays
opening of the Experimental Aircraft Associations annual AirVenture convention.
http://www.thenorthwestern.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060723/OSH/60723015/1987
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Aero-News Alert: Legend Cub Down In Lake Michigan, Pilot Missing
Mon, 31 Jul '06
An aircraft identified in media reports as an American Legend Cub LSA, reportedly
heading to NE Ohio from this year's 2006 AirVenture Fly-In, went down Sunday,
in Lake Michigan.
The two-seat aircraft reportedly experienced some mode of powerplant failure
while flying over Lake Michigan and ditched some three miles from land. The two
occupants used the sinking aircraft, temporarily, for floatation before the
aircraft ultimately sank in what was estimated as 30-60 feet of water.
http://www.aero-news.net/SpecialContent.cfm?cat=22#d
The last fatal accident on the airport grounds during an EAA convention was 15
years ago.
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for gas leak |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Barry,
The Tygon may be a little darker - but not much. I do keep my fox in the
hangar most of the time.
The sight tube (might be poly carbonate) did darken enough so that I do a
double take each time I check the fuel level on that side. I am looking for
hose fittings an am replacing the hard sight tubes with Tygon at some point.
May be with a wire inside it to make it keep it's shape better. I think
some one on the list suggested that and I like the idea.
Randy
.
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry West
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 2:53 PM
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Barry West" <barry@pgtc.com>
Randy, does the Tygon darken? Mine darken to the point where they are hard
to read after a couple of years.
I have the rigid plastic that came with the kit. Probably polycarbonate.
Barry
t
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 1:37 PM
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh"
> <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
>
> One of my sight tubes developed a leak after about a year and half. I
> replaced it and now fine again.
>
> Also, I like the Tygon fuel lines. I like being able to actually see the
> fuel in the lines. So far they are staying flexible.
>
> Randy
>
>
>
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| Subject: | experimental tail dragger,s in michigan |
There has got to be a lot of experimental tail dragger, s in Michigan can we
find enough interest to organize a group of experimental tail dragger
pilots? Then we can let the certified ones tag along. Malcolm
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| Subject: | Re: Need blank Model 5 panel... |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
Hi Tony,
Welcome to the list. I have a drawing of a Model 5
panel that was done in Autocad that can be printed out
full size if need be. Let me know if I can be of any
help.
Grant Fluent
Newcastle, NE
Classic IV 912S
--- Black Cat <blackcatmoan@hotmail.com> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Black Cat"
> <blackcatmoan@hotmail.com>
>
> Hi Everyone.
>
> My name is Tony and this is my first post.
> I've been looking online for a blank instrument
> panel for my Model V
> tail-dragger, so I can redesign it.
> Unfortunately, all I find are companies that cut
> them for you and sell them
> with instruments.
> But that's no fun. I want to do the wiring and
> dremeling myself.
> I would greatly appreciate someone pointing me in
> the right direction.
>
> Wish you all blue skies.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List
>
>
> Admin.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | FW: It's All Relative |
To quote the great Jackie Gleason..... How sweet it is!
Noel
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Anderson
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 10:21 PM
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson"
Delightfully deep..
_____
I thought this was pertinent to Kitfox flying.
Don McIntosh
It's All Relative
The young flight instructor is pounding the pattern in a basic trainer.
Half watching his student and half thinking of getting a real flying
job.
Some twin-engine time, a little cross-country IFR. Boy would that be
sweet.
Above him at 8,000 feet a freight-dog in a beat-up Beech Barron bounces
along. Cursing the turbulence and the heat and the holes in the
instrument
panel, he thinks about one day getting a turbine job.
At 18,000 feet the crew of a King Air are droning along on autopilot,
enjoying the air-conditioned cockpit. But the noise and vibration of
the
propellers is annoying, and the turbine-twin will not climb out of all
the
weather. The lady PIC is close to a jet job, and keeps looking up above
the
tops of the building cumulus.
At flight level 390 dinner is being served to the major airline
captain.
Life is sweet. But his schedule sucks again next month, stupid
recurrent
training, and the mustard for the steak is too spicy again. He looks
out
the windshield as a glint of sunlight catches his eye strangely above
the
horizon. "It's the space station," says the first officer. "Now that
would
be sweet."
Floating over to a window, the astronaut looks down on the colorful blue
and
green quilt set amongst the void of space. A former fighter and test
pilot,
the Space Shuttle commander is picking out ground features as he orbits
over middle America. "You see those two rivers, just east of the
city?" he
says. "There is a little airport down there. I first soloed in a Piper
Cub
right there." "Now that is real flying."
_____
Need a new job? Check out XtraMSN Careers
<http://g.msn.com/8HMAENNZ/2752??PS=47575>
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and much
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List
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| Subject: | Re: Lycoming and/or Continental Cowling |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: barge levy <b.levy@cox.net>
Stan,
great to see you today--thanks for your time and patience.
try airdale.com in caldwell--has lots of kitfox parts, or J McBean
the new owner of Kitfox.
Best,
Barge
On Jul 31, 2006, at 3:04 PM, Stan Bearup wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Stan Bearup" <bearup@ida.net>
>
> Does anyone know a source for a Lycoming or Continental cowling for
> a Kitfox? I am building a Just Aircraft Highlander and am looking
> at installing a 125 HP Franklin 4A-235 engine. I am thinking that
> perhaps I can adapt a Kitfox S5, S6, or S7 cowling.
>
> Stan
>
>
> www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List
> wiki.matronics.com
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
Wade,
Congrats on the solo! I did the very same thing -
bought an Aeronca 11AC Chief to get my tailwheel
endorsement. I have since sold it but it was a great
airplane that brought me 60+ hours of enjoyment!
Grant Fluent
Newcastle, NE
Classic IV 912S
Do not archive
--- Greaves <tenorio41@comcast.net> wrote:
> One step closer to Kitfox flight!
> While building my Series 7, I bought a recently
> restored Aeronca Chief to get my rating. I wanted a
> light sport taildragger and always had a thing for
> Chiefs.
> Today, at about 3:30pm at Lenhardt's Airhaven (7s9),
> I took a big step and soloed. It was a bumpy day
> here with thermals sweeping around and changing the
> winds....at least that is my excuse for a couple of
> bumpy landings. To balance them out I got an
> absolute greaser down.
> What a feeling to solo!
> Can't wait to build many more hours in the Chief
> while completing the Series 7.
> If I noticed a big difference when the instructor
> hopped out of the 65 hp Chief, I can't wait to see
> what a Kitfox can do solo!
> Wade Greaves
> Oregon City,OR
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for gas leak |
I dusted the tank with carpenters chalk. It helped show up the leak.
If you are using auto fuel you must use auto hose. Aviation hose will fail sooner.
Jim Shumaker
----- Original Message ----
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 6:15:49 AM
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
Doors don't hit the drains. Also, the odor is definately inside the cockpit. Any
suggestions on where I can look to check for a tank leak? If the only way to
check inolves cutting fabric then I guess I'll try changing the fuel lines first.
Since I'm using mogas can I just use automotive fuel lines?
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