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1. 02:12 AM - Re: Flaps. WAS: side slip (Michael Gibbs)
2. 03:14 AM - Re: Re: Looking for gas leak (Barry West)
3. 04:19 AM - Re: experimental tail dragger,s in michigan (Fox5flyer)
4. 05:38 AM - Re: Re: Flaps. WAS: side slip (Noel Loveys)
5. 05:38 AM - Re: Sorry to hear of these Accidents (kirk hull)
6. 06:10 AM - SV: Re: Flaps. (Michel Verheughe)
7. 07:10 AM - Re: Re: Looking for gas leak (Lowell Fitt)
8. 07:34 AM - Re: Re: Flaps (Marco Menezes)
9. 08:25 AM - Re: Sorry to hear of these Accidents (Aerobatics@aol.com)
10. 08:25 AM - Re: Sorry to hear of these Accidents (Aerobatics@aol.com)
11. 08:27 AM - Re: experimental tail dragger,s in michigan (Marco Menezes)
12. 09:00 AM - Re: experimental tail dragger,s in michigan (Fred Shiple)
13. 09:41 AM - Re: Re: Looking for gas leak (Barry West)
14. 11:06 AM - Re: experimental tail dragger,s in michigan (Rexster)
15. 12:14 PM - Re: experimental tail dragger,s in michigan (john perry)
16. 01:21 PM - Re: Re: Flaps. WAS: side slip (Fox5flyer)
17. 01:27 PM - Re: Re: Flaps (Michel Verheughe)
18. 01:41 PM - Re: experimental tail dragger,s in michigan (Richard Rabbers)
19. 03:23 PM - Re: Re: Looking for gas leak (Lowell Fitt)
20. 07:19 PM - Edenvale ONTARIO Fly In (Gill Levesque)
21. 07:34 PM - taildragers michigan (Malcolmbru@aol.com)
22. 11:37 PM - Official Kitfox-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
23. 11:48 PM - Official Kitfox-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | Re: Flaps. WAS: side slip |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
Michel sez:
>With my Kitfox that has full flaps limited to only 10 degrees by the
>builder, I notice an added lift but no drag.
I doubt you would notice the very slight additional drag from 10
degrees which, on my IV, was 1/2 flaps. Full flaps, 22 degrees, made
a more noticeable difference.
>Do you think I should modify my flaps settings and allow for e.g. up
>to 20 degrees?
I am not an expert on the proper rigging of the flaperons for a model
III. If Mr. McBean is following this thread perhaps he knows off the
top of his head what the proper full-deflection angle is. Otherwise,
I'll check with Murle for you. I would definitely rig them per the
factory's recommendation.
Mike G.
N728KF
P.S. As for your original question... :-) In my opinion, slipping
on final approach is quite safe, provided that you carefully manage
your airspeed. Nearly every flight instructor I've flown with has
had me demonstrate at least one slip in this manner. It usually
starts off with, "Let's do this one without flaps..."
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for gas leak |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Barry West" <barry@pgtc.com>
Randy and all; talking about a fuel leak - when I took off from Oshkosh last
Thursday, my wife said she smelled gas and I did too. Then it started
pouring out of the right wing and running all down the right door and side.
I called and was cleared back to the runway and went to aircraft maintenance
and repair. Volunteers helped me swing the right wing and we found the site
gage was cracked. This thing was more than 5 years old and was too dark to
read. We replaced it with some colored Tygon which did not leak but was
also unreadable. I did not replace the scale and extra tubing was used so
the bend did not have to be so tight.
I am trying to figure out a better way to gage the fuel but not having much
luck so far. I replaced the left one a couple of years ago and it is pretty
dark now.
Any ideas other than annual replacement.
Barry West
PS. I need to remind that there should be a restriction in the site gage to
help prevent the level from constantly moving up and down with airplane
motion.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 9:50 PM
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh"
> <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
>
> Barry,
> The Tygon may be a little darker - but not much. I do keep my fox in the
> hangar most of the time.
>
> The sight tube (might be poly carbonate) did darken enough so that I do a
> double take each time I check the fuel level on that side. I am looking
> for
> hose fittings an am replacing the hard sight tubes with Tygon at some
> point.
> May be with a wire inside it to make it keep it's shape better. I think
> some one on the list suggested that and I like the idea.
>
> Randy
>
> .
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry West
> Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 2:53 PM
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Barry West" <barry@pgtc.com>
>
> Randy, does the Tygon darken? Mine darken to the point where they are
> hard
> to read after a couple of years.
> I have the rigid plastic that came with the kit. Probably polycarbonate.
>
> Barry
>
>
> t
> ----- Original Message -----
> Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 1:37 PM
>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh"
>> <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
>>
>> One of my sight tubes developed a leak after about a year and half. I
>> replaced it and now fine again.
>>
>> Also, I like the Tygon fuel lines. I like being able to actually see the
>> fuel in the lines. So far they are staying flexible.
>>
>> Randy
>>
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| Subject: | Re: experimental tail dragger,s in michigan |
Count me in Malcolm.
Deke
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Malcolmbru@aol.com
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 10:52 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: experimental tail dragger,s in michigan
There has got to be a lot of experimental tail dragger, s in
Michigan can we find enough interest to organize a group of experimental
tail dragger pilots? Then we can let the certified ones tag along.
Malcolm
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| Subject: | Re: Flaps. WAS: side slip |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
When I got my model III-A the flaperons were set so that a deflection of the
ailerons would cause the flaperon setting to reduce to about half. I
thought that was probably putting unnecessary stress on the mixing box so I
adjusted the flaperon so it would just start to reduce the flaperon setting
with full aileron deflection.
The results of this adjustment were: the flaperons can now be used as a
slight attitude adjuster... The nose goes up slightly with flaperons fully
retracted. As for the use of the flaps I noticed no difference at all.
Kitfox III-A
582, B box, Ivo in-flight Adj.
Aerocet 1100 straight floats
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Michael Gibbs
> Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 6:38 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Flaps. WAS: side slip
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs
> <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
>
> Michel sez:
>
> >With my Kitfox that has full flaps limited to only 10 degrees by the
> >builder, I notice an added lift but no drag.
>
> I doubt you would notice the very slight additional drag from 10
> degrees which, on my IV, was 1/2 flaps. Full flaps, 22 degrees, made
> a more noticeable difference.
>
> >Do you think I should modify my flaps settings and allow for e.g. up
> >to 20 degrees?
>
> I am not an expert on the proper rigging of the flaperons for a model
> III. If Mr. McBean is following this thread perhaps he knows off the
> top of his head what the proper full-deflection angle is. Otherwise,
> I'll check with Murle for you. I would definitely rig them per the
> factory's recommendation.
>
> Mike G.
> N728KF
>
> P.S. As for your original question... :-) In my opinion, slipping
> on final approach is quite safe, provided that you carefully manage
> your airspeed. Nearly every flight instructor I've flown with has
> had me demonstrate at least one slip in this manner. It usually
> starts off with, "Let's do this one without flaps..."
>
>
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| Subject: | Sorry to hear of these Accidents |
Misssed one. Sence the pilot walked away most news groups dont talk about
it.
A small helo ( I think it was a dragon fly?) lost power and crashed on the
ultralight field. The rotax engine failed at about 30 ft forcing an
autorotation. at landing the main rotor struck the tail boom and spun the
helo around a few times. The pilot made a hard landing to keep the helo on
the field and not get into the camping area.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Richard Rabbers
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 9:32 PM
To: Kitfox List
Subject: Kitfox-List: Sorry to hear of these Accidents
I received a short note from a friend that reporting a death at Oshkosh.
I searched and found far more than I expected. This was my first trip to
Airventure it was great.
Sad to hear the bad news. One was a ditching. Basics and links below.
I hope that is all of them
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OSHKOSH, Wis. The propeller of a Navy warbird sliced into a home-built
airplane on a taxiway during an airshow Sunday, killing a Canadian man
inside, officials said.
http://www.startribune.com/462/story/584201.html
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Short landing
Federal aviation officials continue to investigate the fatal crash of a
homebuilt airplane as it approached the east-west runway at Wittman Regional
Airport Sunday morning.
The planes two occupants were killed when their small homebuilt plane
came down short of the runway as they arrived in Oshkosh at 8:45 a.m. in
advance of todays opening of the Experimental Aircraft Associations annual
AirVenture convention.
http://www.thenorthwestern.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060723/OSH/60723
015/1987
---------------------------------------------------------------
Aero-News Alert: Legend Cub Down In Lake Michigan, Pilot Missing
Mon, 31 Jul '06
An aircraft identified in media reports as an American Legend Cub LSA,
reportedly heading to NE Ohio from this year's 2006 AirVenture Fly-In, went
down Sunday, in Lake Michigan.
The two-seat aircraft reportedly experienced some mode of powerplant
failure while flying over Lake Michigan and ditched some three miles from
land. The two occupants used the sinking aircraft, temporarily, for
floatation before the aircraft ultimately sank in what was estimated as
30-60 feet of water.
http://www.aero-news.net/SpecialContent.cfm?cat=22#d
The last fatal accident on the airport grounds during an EAA convention
was 15 years ago.
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Mike and Noel,
> Otherwise, I'll check with Murle for you.
Thank you Mike, but my builder manual says that I can adjust my flaps up to 24
degrees. More than that and the plane can be dangerous as it may invert the effect
of the ailerons. I guess, the reason the original builder limited it to 10
degrees is ... safety in sustained bank control.
I have the flat bottomed flaperons but I guess, in you model IV, you had the symetrical
ones, isn't it? It may make a difference.
When I pull 10 degrees of flaps, at level flight, I notice nothing but a nose-down
force that I correct with the stick. When I remove quickly the 10 degrees,
I notice something like a tiny fall, the lift being reduced. But with the flaps
on, I don't notice a difference in speed, hence no drag.
When you are on final and find you're a bit high, you can either:
1) put the nose down and side slip, or
2) put the nose down and some flaps.
In both cases, you want to descend faster without gaining speed.
If I could do it with the flaps, I would because uncoordinated attitude is never
good (unless you have a female passenger with a large breast and you're looking
for an excuse to be pressed against it) :-)
But if I can't pull the nose down without gaining speed, I don't see the point
because - and as your instructor said - don't side slip with the flaps on. So,
it's either one or the other, but not both. Do you agree?
Noel, could you notice a drag in you model 3 with the flaps on? Did you measure,
in degrees, the full extension?
Cheers,
Michel
PS: May the female readers excuse my sexist humour, it was not maliciously intended.
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for gas leak |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Replacing the hard sight tubes with Tygon is exactly what I did. I got
tired of the large plastic compression fittings working their way loose over
time and leaking. I found that the Tygon could be bent with heat just like
the poly tubes and look exactly the same, but with no more leaking at the
fittings.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 7:50 PM
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh"
> <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
>
> Barry,
> The Tygon may be a little darker - but not much. I do keep my fox in the
> hangar most of the time.
>
> The sight tube (might be poly carbonate) did darken enough so that I do a
> double take each time I check the fuel level on that side. I am looking
> for
> hose fittings an am replacing the hard sight tubes with Tygon at some
> point.
> May be with a wire inside it to make it keep it's shape better. I think
> some one on the list suggested that and I like the idea.
>
> Randy
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Michel,
I think the maximum flap extension for Models 1-3 is 20 degrees. More than that
interferes with operation of flaperons for roll. I have restricted mine to
20 but admit that I rarely use them at all except for nose down trim during cruise.
Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs
Michel sez:
>With my Kitfox that has full flaps limited to only 10 degrees by the
>builder, I notice an added lift but no drag.
I doubt you would notice the very slight additional drag from 10
degrees which, on my IV, was 1/2 flaps. Full flaps, 22 degrees, made
a more noticeable difference.
>Do you think I should modify my flaps settings and allow for e.g. up
>to 20 degrees?
I am not an expert on the proper rigging of the flaperons for a model
III. If Mr. McBean is following this thread perhaps he knows off the
top of his head what the proper full-deflection angle is. Otherwise,
I'll check with Murle for you. I would definitely rig them per the
factory's recommendation.
Mike G.
N728KF
P.S. As for your original question... :-) In my opinion, slipping
on final approach is quite safe, provided that you carefully manage
your airspeed. Nearly every flight instructor I've flown with has
had me demonstrate at least one slip in this manner. It usually
starts off with, "Let's do this one without flaps..."
Marco Menezes
Model 2 582 N99KX
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| Subject: | Re: Sorry to hear of these Accidents |
In a message dated 8/1/2006 7:40:12 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
kirkhull@sbcglobal.net writes:
A small helo ( I think it was a dragon fly?) lost power and crashed on the
ultralight field. The rotax engine failed at about 30 ft forcing an
autorotation. at landing the main rotor struck the tail boom and spun the helo
around a few times. The pilot made a hard landing to keep the helo on the field
and not get into the camping area.
I was there........... I believe it was NOT a rotax but a MX? never
heard of that engine.... In fact the pilot was a high time heli pilot and
according to experts did a fantastic job I was camped there during incident...
Dave KF2
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| Subject: | Re: Sorry to hear of these Accidents |
In a message dated 8/1/2006 7:40:12 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
kirkhull@sbcglobal.net writes:
Misssed one. Sence the pilot walked away most news groups dont talk about
it.
A small helo ( I think it was a dragon fly?) lost power and crashed on the
ultralight field. The rotax engine failed at about 30 ft forcing an
autorotation. at landing the main rotor struck the tail boom and spun the helo
around a few times. The pilot made a hard landing to keep the helo on the field
and not get into the camping area.
apparently, it happened again next day another machine same company, I think
its called a mosquito, but engine did not fully quite just temps was out of
wack so he landed out..........
maybe he should be using a Rotax......
Dave kf 2
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| Subject: | Re: experimental tail dragger,s in michigan |
me too.
do not archive
Fox5flyer <morid@northland.lib.mi.us> wrote:
Count me in Malcolm.
Deke
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Malcolmbru@aol.com
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 10:52 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: experimental tail dragger,s in michigan
There has got to be a lot of experimental tail dragger, s in Michigan can we
find enough interest to organize a group of experimental tail dragger pilots?
Then we can let the certified ones tag along. Malcolm
Marco Menezes
Model 2 582 N99KX
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| Subject: | Re: experimental tail dragger,s in michigan |
Toledo was supposed to be part of Michigan historically, so count me in.
Fred
There has got to be a lot of experimental tail dragger, s in Michigan can
we
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for gas leak |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Barry West" <barry@pgtc.com>
Lowell, did you plug the Tygon tubes to dampen the fuel level going up and
down with the motion of the airplane? I had a piece of something in the
tube at the top with a small hole in it. Don't remember what it was but it
looked like wood. And do we need something to keep the tube from
collapsing?
Barry West
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 9:06 AM
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Replacing the hard sight tubes with Tygon is exactly what I did. I got
> tired of the large plastic compression fittings working their way loose
> over time and leaking. I found that the Tygon could be bent with heat
> just like the poly tubes and look exactly the same, but with no more
> leaking at the fittings.
>
> Lowell
> ----- Original Message -----
> Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 7:50 PM
>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh"
>> <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
>>
>> Barry,
>> The Tygon may be a little darker - but not much. I do keep my fox in the
>> hangar most of the time.
>>
>> The sight tube (might be poly carbonate) did darken enough so that I do a
>> double take each time I check the fuel level on that side. I am looking
>> for
>> hose fittings an am replacing the hard sight tubes with Tygon at some
>> point.
>> May be with a wire inside it to make it keep it's shape better. I think
>> some one on the list suggested that and I like the idea.
>>
>> Randy
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List
> http://wiki.matronics.com
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: experimental tail dragger,s in michigan |
Put Rex's name on the list too.
-- Fred Shiple <fredshiple@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Toledo was supposed to be part of Michigan historically, so count me in.
Fred
There has got to be a lot of experimental tail dragger, s in Michigan
can we
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| Subject: | Re: experimental tail dragger,s in michigan |
is Kansas close enough to count . If so I am in .
Fly safe fly low fly slow
John Pery
Kitfox 2 N718PD
DO NOT ARCHIVE
----- Original Message -----
From: Rexster
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 1:02 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: experimental tail dragger,s in michigan
Put Rex's name on the list too.
-- Fred Shiple <fredshiple@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Toledo was supposed to be part of Michigan historically, so count me
in.
Fred
There has got to be a lot of experimental tail dragger, s in
Michigan can we
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| Subject: | Re: Flaps. WAS: side slip |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Noel, just wondering what a model III-A signifies. The A is a new one on
me.
Deke
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 8:35 AM
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
>
> When I got my model III-A the flaperons were set so that a deflection of
the
> ailerons would cause the flaperon setting to reduce to about half. I
> thought that was probably putting unnecessary stress on the mixing box so
I
> adjusted the flaperon so it would just start to reduce the flaperon
setting
> with full aileron deflection.
>
> The results of this adjustment were: the flaperons can now be used as a
> slight attitude adjuster... The nose goes up slightly with flaperons fully
> retracted. As for the use of the flaps I noticed no difference at all.
>
> Kitfox III-A
> 582, B box, Ivo in-flight Adj.
> Aerocet 1100 straight floats
>
> Noel
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> > Michael Gibbs
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 6:38 AM
> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Flaps. WAS: side slip
> >
> >
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs
> > <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
> >
> > Michel sez:
> >
> > >With my Kitfox that has full flaps limited to only 10 degrees by the
> > >builder, I notice an added lift but no drag.
> >
> > I doubt you would notice the very slight additional drag from 10
> > degrees which, on my IV, was 1/2 flaps. Full flaps, 22 degrees, made
> > a more noticeable difference.
> >
> > >Do you think I should modify my flaps settings and allow for e.g. up
> > >to 20 degrees?
> >
> > I am not an expert on the proper rigging of the flaperons for a model
> > III. If Mr. McBean is following this thread perhaps he knows off the
> > top of his head what the proper full-deflection angle is. Otherwise,
> > I'll check with Murle for you. I would definitely rig them per the
> > factory's recommendation.
> >
> > Mike G.
> > N728KF
> >
> > P.S. As for your original question... :-) In my opinion, slipping
> > on final approach is quite safe, provided that you carefully manage
> > your airspeed. Nearly every flight instructor I've flown with has
> > had me demonstrate at least one slip in this manner. It usually
> > starts off with, "Let's do this one without flaps..."
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
On Aug 1, 2006, at 4:32 PM, Marco Menezes wrote:
> I think the maximum flap extension for Models 1-3 is 20 degrees. More
> than that interferes with operation of flaperons for roll. I have
> restricted mine to 20 but admit that I rarely use them at all except
> for nose down trim during cruise.
Yes, Marco. Actually, here is the text quoted from the Model 3 handbook:
(quote)
You should build a stop for he flap handle to restrict flap deflection
to 23 degrees. Deflection beyond 23 degrees tends to restrict aileron
travel and effectiveness. Exercise caution on final approach in gusty
or crosswind conditions not to use so much flaps that aileron
effectiveness is diminished.
(end quote).
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: experimental tail dragger,s in michigan |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Richard Rabbers" <rira1950@yahoo.com>
I'm a Michigan 'someday' experimental taildragger though 'sooner' on floats, I
hope. (got TW endorsement in a Champ)
- would be glad to be part of a local group.
- looking forward to future fly-ins or gatherings.
Do not archive
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Richard in SW Michigan
Model 1 / 618 - full-lotus floats (restoration)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=51601#51601
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for gas leak |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Barry,
I made the wood block with the edges aligned with the fuel fittings per the
hard tube kit instructions - I switched back to barb fittings and I think I
cut off one or more of the barbs to gain some room - and heated the
appropriate areas of the tubing and bent it around the block giving a
squared off "U". I trimmed this to size and clamped it onto the barb
fittings. No, I didn't put anything inside to dampen the fuel motion.
Maybe the not perfect bends added a bit of restriction. I haven't had any
problem gauging fuel levels, though I guess it moves a bit. It wouldn't be
hard to add the restricter if desired.
Lowell
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Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 9:41 AM
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Barry West" <barry@pgtc.com>
>
> Lowell, did you plug the Tygon tubes to dampen the fuel level going up and
> down with the motion of the airplane? I had a piece of something in the
> tube at the top with a small hole in it. Don't remember what it was but
> it looked like wood. And do we need something to keep the tube from
> collapsing?
>
> Barry West
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 9:06 AM
>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>>
>> Replacing the hard sight tubes with Tygon is exactly what I did. I got
>> tired of the large plastic compression fittings working their way loose
>> over time and leaking. I found that the Tygon could be bent with heat
>> just like the poly tubes and look exactly the same, but with no more
>> leaking at the fittings.
>>
>> Lowell
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 7:50 PM
>>
>>
>>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh"
>>> <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
>>>
>>> Barry,
>>> The Tygon may be a little darker - but not much. I do keep my fox in
>>> the
>>> hangar most of the time.
>>>
>>> The sight tube (might be poly carbonate) did darken enough so that I do
>>> a
>>> double take each time I check the fuel level on that side. I am looking
>>> for
>>> hose fittings an am replacing the hard sight tubes with Tygon at some
>>> point.
>>> May be with a wire inside it to make it keep it's shape better. I think
>>> some one on the list suggested that and I like the idea.
>>>
>>> Randy
>>
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>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List
>> http://wiki.matronics.com
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> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List
> http://wiki.matronics.com
>
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| Subject: | Edenvale ONTARIO Fly In |
All Ontario Canada Kitfox owners!
Please be advised of the annual "Gathering of the Classics" this coming weekend
at Edenvale, Ontario !
We should all fly in and show off our "Classic" KITFOXES"
I,ll be there... weather permitting !!
How about YOU!
Gil Levesque
C-IGVL
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| Subject: | taildragers michigan |
In all honesty this was deek,s idea, he suggested it to me at Oshkosh but
it seems real popular and a lot of work with blooges,post cards to EAA
chapters and announcements in Michigan flying magazines, moor work than I can
do.
Please someone run with it or let this thread die Malcolm
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Dear Listers,
Please read over the Kitfox-List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) below. The
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| Subject: | Official Kitfox-List Usage Guidelines |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Kitfox-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Kitfox-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
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Thank you,
Matt Dralle
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Kitfox-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Kitfox-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Kitfox-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Kitfox-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
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