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1. 01:23 AM - Re: Flaps. (Michael Gibbs)
2. 02:38 AM - Re: Re: Flaps. (John Anderson)
3. 03:21 AM - Re: SV: Re: Flaps. for Michel. (Ceashman@aol.com)
4. 04:44 AM - Re: Re: experimental tail dragger,s in michigan (Fox5flyer)
5. 04:55 AM - (humour) was: Flaps. for Michel. (Michel Verheughe)
6. 05:17 AM - Re: taildragers michigan (Fox5flyer)
7. 07:26 AM - Re: Flaps- Answer (Jose M. Toro)
8. 08:21 AM - Oshkosh! (RAY Gignac)
9. 08:28 AM - Re: taildragers michigan (Marco Menezes)
10. 08:51 AM - Re: Re: Flaps. WAS: side slip (Noel Loveys)
11. 08:59 AM - Re: First Flight. The Short and the Long. (Lynn Matteson)
12. 09:08 AM - Re: Oshkosh! (Richard Rabbers)
13. 09:19 AM - Re: taildragers michigan (Lynn Matteson)
14. 10:56 AM - TMXIO-240 Special offer (Mahlon_Russell@teledyne.com)
15. 10:56 AM - Re: Oshkosh! (Barry West)
16. 11:39 AM - Re: ANR headsets for Rotax 912 (wwillyard@aol.com)
17. 11:39 AM - Re: Re: Oshkosh! (RAY Gignac)
18. 01:45 PM - Re: Re: Flaps. (Michel Verheughe)
19. 01:57 PM - Re: ANR headsets for Rotax 912 (wingnut)
20. 03:33 PM - Lazair kitfox list hijacked? (Dave G.)
21. 06:42 PM - Re: Re: ANR headsets for Rotax 912 (Dan Billingsley)
22. 06:44 PM - Re: (humour) was: Flaps. for Michel. (Ceashman@aol.com)
23. 07:26 PM - Re: taildragers michigan (Malcolmbru@aol.com)
24. 08:33 PM - Re: Re: Flaps. (lance miller)
25. 11:23 PM - Prop track adjustment (Michel Verheughe)
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
Michel sez:
>I have the flat bottomed flaperons but I guess, in you model IV, you
>had the symetrical ones, isn't it?
Yes, I had the symmetrical flaperons.
>But if I can't pull the nose down without gaining speed, I don't see
>the point because - and as your instructor said - don't side slip
>with the flaps on. So, it's either one or the other, but not both.
>Do you agree?
Not necessarily. Cessna prohibits slips with flaps extended in the
Cessna 172 because the flaps interfere with airflow over the tail
surfaces making pitch control difficult. There is no such
prohibition in my Piper Arrow. I can put the flaps down and slip to
my heart's content. I can't remember if I tried to slip the Kitfox
with flaps extended.
Given the common use of flaperons for pitch trim in the pre-Model IV
'foxes, their application as traditional flaps may be less useful.
And, of course, the Model IV and later use a different flaperon mixer
that provides differential movement (aileron down travel is less than
up travel).
Mike G.
N728KF
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| Subject: | Re: Flaps. for Michel. |
>Michel said;
>If I could do it with the flaps, I would because uncoordinated attitude is
never good (unless >you have a female passenger with a large breast and you're
looking for an excuse to be >pressed against it) :-)
Hi Michel.
You tell us about the female passenger.. I am wondering and I am sure many
more of us are.
What happened to the other large breast' did she leave it outside when she
closed the door?
Hay mate, I am only kidding. But it did make me smile.
Thanks for allowing me to use my imagination.
Eric. Atlanta.
I am borrowing the following from Michel's email.
PS: May the female readers excuse my sexist humour, it was not maliciously
intended.
DO NOT ARCHIVE.
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| Subject: | Re: experimental tail dragger,s in michigan |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Malcolm, are you keeping track of these?
Deke
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 4:41 PM
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Richard Rabbers" <rira1950@yahoo.com>
>
> I'm a Michigan 'someday' experimental taildragger though 'sooner' on
floats, I hope. (got TW endorsement in a Champ)
> - would be glad to be part of a local group.
> - looking forward to future fly-ins or gatherings.
>
> Do not archive
>
> --------
> Richard in SW Michigan
> Model 1 / 618 - full-lotus floats (restoration)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=51601#51601
>
>
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| Subject: | (humour) was: Flaps. for Michel. |
> From: Ceashman@aol.com
> What happened to the other large breast' did she leave it outside when she
> closed the door?
I don't know, Eric, but a while ago, I was flying with for the first time with
a good friend (male) when he asked:
- "Why do you keep your right hand on the throttle?" as we were flying level.
I then moved my hand a few inches to the right, on his knee, and said softly:
- "Would this be better, darling?"
... the plane then entered a violent shake. No, it wasn't turbulence, it was us,
laughing out loud!
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: taildragers michigan |
Good morning all.
My apologies Malcolm. I thought it was you who asked the question about
Michigan Kitfoxes. Has anybody been keeping a record of those who
expressed wanting to be on the list of Michigan Kitfoxers? I don't know
who will run with it, but we need to at least know who wants to be part
of it.
Thanks,
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: Malcolmbru@aol.com
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 10:32 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: taildragers michigan
In all honesty this was deek,s idea, he suggested it to me at Oshkosh
but it seems real popular and a lot of work with blooges,post cards to
EAA chapters and announcements in Michigan flying magazines, moor work
than I can do. Please someone run with it or let this thread die
Malcolm
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| Subject: | Re: Flaps- Answer |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
Out of sight...it's a side by side plane!!!
Jose
--- Ceashman@aol.com wrote:
> What happened to the other large breast' did she
> leave it outside when she
> closed the door?
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RAY Gignac" <kitfoxpilot@msn.com>
I missed Oshkosh this year, is there any Kitfox photos or updates about
Mcbean and Company? How many folks made it to the Kitfox meeting.
Ray
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| Subject: | Re: taildragers michigan |
I haven't kept track and can't run with it myself but if such a group is formed,
count me in.
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Fox5flyer <morid@northland.lib.mi.us> wrote:
Good morning all.
My apologies Malcolm. I thought it was you who asked the question about Michigan
Kitfoxes. Has anybody been keeping a record of those who expressed wanting
to be on the list of Michigan Kitfoxers? I don't know who will run with it,
but we need to at least know who wants to be part of it.
Thanks,
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: Malcolmbru@aol.com
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 10:32 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: taildragers michigan
In all honesty this was deek,s idea, he suggested it to me at Oshkosh but it
seems real popular and a lot of work with blooges,post cards to EAA chapters
and announcements in Michigan flying magazines, moor work than I can do. Please
someone run with it or let this thread die Malcolm
Marco Menezes
Model 2 582 N99KX
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| Subject: | Re: Flaps. WAS: side slip |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
As far as I know The original builder told me that the "A" was basically an
up graded model II. I think Steve Winder of Airdale told me it was a model
III with a narrower fuselage. My plane doesn't have the panel tank. It has
drooped wing tips, wing tanks and the 582. The 912 was an option. I have
installed a nitrogen lift strut on the pilot side. The original builder
installed a small baggage compartment behind the seats which is accessible
from the outside. I have heard that some avid owners have a problem with
folding their wings. Apparently they have to disconnect the aileron push
rods...or install bent ones. I have no such problems.
The 'Fox is a he#$ of a lot more fun to fly than the spam can C172M I
trained on... And that's on floats! One of these years I might actually get
to try the skis or wheels.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fox5flyer
> Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 5:49 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Flaps. WAS: side slip
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer"
> <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>
> Noel, just wondering what a model III-A signifies. The A is
> a new one on
> me.
> Deke
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 8:35 AM
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys"
> <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
> >
> > When I got my model III-A the flaperons were set so that a
> deflection of
> the
> > ailerons would cause the flaperon setting to reduce to
> about half. I
> > thought that was probably putting unnecessary stress on the
> mixing box so
> I
> > adjusted the flaperon so it would just start to reduce the flaperon
> setting
> > with full aileron deflection.
> >
> > The results of this adjustment were: the flaperons can now
> be used as a
> > slight attitude adjuster... The nose goes up slightly with
> flaperons fully
> > retracted. As for the use of the flaps I noticed no
> difference at all.
> >
> > Kitfox III-A
> > 582, B box, Ivo in-flight Adj.
> > Aerocet 1100 straight floats
> >
> > Noel
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> > > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> > > Michael Gibbs
> > > Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 6:38 AM
> > > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Flaps. WAS: side slip
> > >
> > >
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs
> > > <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
> > >
> > > Michel sez:
> > >
> > > >With my Kitfox that has full flaps limited to only 10
> degrees by the
> > > >builder, I notice an added lift but no drag.
> > >
> > > I doubt you would notice the very slight additional drag from 10
> > > degrees which, on my IV, was 1/2 flaps. Full flaps, 22
> degrees, made
> > > a more noticeable difference.
> > >
> > > >Do you think I should modify my flaps settings and allow
> for e.g. up
> > > >to 20 degrees?
> > >
> > > I am not an expert on the proper rigging of the flaperons
> for a model
> > > III. If Mr. McBean is following this thread perhaps he
> knows off the
> > > top of his head what the proper full-deflection angle is.
> Otherwise,
> > > I'll check with Murle for you. I would definitely rig
> them per the
> > > factory's recommendation.
> > >
> > > Mike G.
> > > N728KF
> > >
> > > P.S. As for your original question... :-) In my
> opinion, slipping
> > > on final approach is quite safe, provided that you
> carefully manage
> > > your airspeed. Nearly every flight instructor I've flown with has
> > > had me demonstrate at least one slip in this manner. It usually
> > > starts off with, "Let's do this one without flaps..."
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight. The Short and the Long. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Just getting around to reading my mail since returning from Oshkosh,
and found this gem...congrats, Guy! I've now got over a hundred hours
on my Jabiru-powered 'fox IV....about 45 of 'em since I soloed...and
your story reminded me of my first solo. Have fun...
Lynn
Kitfox IV...Jabiru 2200
On Wednesday, July 26, 2006, at 09:49 PM, Guy Buchanan wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
>
> All,
>
> Short Version:
>
> The Red and White Kitfox flew for the first time this Wednesday
> morning at 0827 in Ramona, near San Diego. The flight was uneventful
> for everyone but me, the pilot. I noted the following:
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Richard Rabbers" <rira1950@yahoo.com>
I drove in and was there Friday-Saturday.
Met Debra and John McBean (with several others tucked under the wing of a new Kitfox
'sport'.
Everyone everywere making best use of shade..
I also was happy to met John King and see his fox. I didn't manage to walk the
entire field but didn't see other foxes. John said most have left.
I didn't hear a count. Wished I'd been able to meet more of you..and am hoping/planning
to be there next year.
--------
Richard in SW Michigan
Model 1 / 618 - full-lotus floats (restoration)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=51812#51812
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| Subject: | Re: taildragers michigan |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Count me in, whoever gets to keep the list.
Lynn
On Wednesday, August 2, 2006, at 08:16 AM, Fox5flyer wrote:
> Good morning all.
> My apologies Malcolm. I thought it was you who asked the question
> about Michigan Kitfoxes. Has anybody been keeping a record of those
> who expressed wanting to be on the list of Michigan Kitfoxers? I
> don't know who will run with it, but we need to at least know who
> wants to be part of it.
> Thanks,
> Deke
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Malcolmbru@aol.com
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 10:32 PM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: taildragers michigan
>
> In all honesty this was deek,s idea, he suggested it to meat
> Oshkosh but it seems real popular and a lot of work with
> blooges,post cards to EAA chapters and announcements in Michigan
> flying magazines, moor work than I can do. Please someone run with
> it or let this thread die Malcolm
>
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| Subject: | TMXIO-240 Special offer |
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RAY, I was there, spoke to John a couple of times and again at the Acee
Ducee Tavern. There were about 25 people there. John had the one airplane
there and I took a picture of the EuroFox. Amazing how much alike they are
and how much improved over my bare bones model IV. The interesting thing
about the EuroFox is the price, $50500.
Barry West
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 10:20 AM
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RAY Gignac" <kitfoxpilot@msn.com>
>
> I missed Oshkosh this year, is there any Kitfox photos or updates about
> Mcbean and Company? How many folks made it to the Kitfox meeting.
>
> Ray
>
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| Subject: | Re: ANR headsets for Rotax 912 |
I have the Sigtronics ANR head sets and they seem to be OK with the 912 noise,
but then I have never used them anywhere else to know if they could be better.
Bill W.
>Are any of you using an ANR/ANC headset with your Rotax 912? Brand/model? Opinion?
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RAY Gignac" <kitfoxpilot@msn.com>
Thanks for responding, I was at Oshkosh last year with my Fox, and John
King. I camped out in the homebuilt camping. I will be at Oshkosh next
year.
Ray
>From: "Richard Rabbers" <rira1950@yahoo.com>
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Oshkosh!
>Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 09:07:43 -0700
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Richard Rabbers" <rira1950@yahoo.com>
>
>I drove in and was there Friday-Saturday.
>
>Met Debra and John McBean (with several others tucked under the wing of a
>new Kitfox 'sport'.
>
>Everyone everywere making best use of shade..
>
>I also was happy to met John King and see his fox. I didn't manage to walk
>the entire field but didn't see other foxes. John said most have left.
>
>I didn't hear a count. Wished I'd been able to meet more of you..and am
>hoping/planning to be there next year.
>
>--------
>Richard in SW Michigan
>Model 1 / 618 - full-lotus floats (restoration)
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=51812#51812
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
On Aug 2, 2006, at 10:21 AM, Michael Gibbs wrote:
> Given the common use of flaperons for pitch trim in the pre-Model IV
> 'foxes, their application as traditional flaps may be less useful.
Ok, Mike. I will try to increase the maximum angle of my flaps to say,
15 degrees and I'll let you know. BTW, this evening, I flew with an
American from Austin, Texas. He has been flying since 1965 and owns now
a Citabria. It was a short flight because we were surrounded by Cb and
between thunder storms. But it was great and, needless to say, he flew
the Kitfox like a pro.
Cheers,
Michel
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: ANR headsets for Rotax 912 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
I have a the Flightcom Denali II but I can't recommend it at this time. The left
earpiece started acting up after a year and it's totally dead now. I need to
send it back for service but it's my only headset. I'd hate to have to buy another
set just to get this one serviced..
Luis Rodriguez
824KF
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=51874#51874
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| Subject: | Lazair kitfox list hijacked? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
I've not been able to check the other list for a couple of days. Is it
damaged?
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| Subject: | Re: ANR headsets for Rotax 912 |
I have a set of Soft Comm 90's...ANR. They tend to do a good job and are easy
on the ears for any extended flights. I have been flying behind a 912s that pulls
an Allegro 2000 through the air while I'm building my IV. I don't notice any
high pitched noises untill I'm in the pattern and reduce the power at the numbers.
It's not irritating or loud, I can just tell it is happening...sounds
like background noise.
Dan
wingnut <wingnut@spamarrest.com> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut"
I have a the Flightcom Denali II but I can't recommend it at this time. The left
earpiece started acting up after a year and it's totally dead now. I need to
send it back for service but it's my only headset. I'd hate to have to buy another
set just to get this one serviced..
Luis Rodriguez
824KF
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| Subject: | Re: (humour) was: Flaps. for Michel. |
Michel wrote:
>I don't know, Eric, but a while ago, I was flying with for the first time
with a good friend >(male) when he asked:
- "Why do you keep your right hand on the throttle?" as we were flying level.
>I then moved my hand a few inches to the right, on his knee, and said softly:
- "Would this be better, darling?"
... the plane then entered a violent shake. No, it wasn't turbulence, it was
us, laughing out >loud!
Thanks Michel. I will remember this for a long time.
The strange thing is; from my training days, my instructor emphasized that I
keep my fingers on the throttle.
This is something I still do today, It is amazing how you adopt these habits
when in the early infant training part of the program.
Next time I have a passenger sitting next to me cruising along and I look
down and see my hand on the throttle, I will probably chuckle. If not then I will
certainly have a big smile on my face.:)
And Jose.
If my passenger is female. I should have to reach over and check to see if
the passenger door is secure before flight. (wink'wink')
All the breast, sorry!! I mean best guys. Eric. Classic IV Atlanta
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: taildragers michigan |
How about setting up a user group web site for Michigan tail dragger pilots
then we promote its awarenessseveral ways. I belong to several user
groups that only get 1 or 2 messages a month. I realy dont want to be on a list.
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| Subject: | Prop track adjustment |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
On Aug 3, 2006, at 5:31 AM, lance miller wrote:
> hey people i have the 3 blade ground adjustable prop,my pitch on each
> blade is good ,but i guess i dont understand how to correct the
> tracking, i can rotate each blade down,and scribe it on a table ,they
> are the same angle,but a little forward and back of each other.HELP
Hello Lance,
I have now a fixed pitch two blades prop but when I had the wood GSC
prop, I adjusted the tracking by using small pieces of paper between
the wood prop and the aluminium hub. I used the type of paper used for
baking in the oven, a thin but hard type. I guess the idea is to use
something that has the same consistence as wood, but in thin layers.
Cheers,
Michel
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