---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 08/07/06: 43 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:58 AM - Ham. WAS: Question to the list (Michel Verheughe) 2. 05:36 AM - Re: Question to the list (Jimmie Blackwell) 3. 06:07 AM - Re: First flight 541KF (Fox5flyer) 4. 06:08 AM - Re: Question to the list (Andrew Matthaey) 5. 06:28 AM - Re: Question to the list (Marwynne Kuhn) 6. 06:29 AM - Re: Polytone over old polytone with carnauba. New question (flier) 7. 06:32 AM - Broken Fox (spudnuts) 8. 06:58 AM - Re: series V C.G and weight limits (Bob Unternaehrer) 9. 06:58 AM - file resizing (Bob Unternaehrer) 10. 07:02 AM - Re: Question to the list (Jimmie Blackwell) 11. 07:05 AM - Re: Broken Fox (Dave G.) 12. 07:09 AM - Re: Broken Fox (kurt schrader) 13. 07:32 AM - Re: First flight 541KF (kurt schrader) 14. 07:39 AM - Re: First flight 541KF (ron schick) 15. 07:57 AM - Re: First flight 541KF (Tim Vader) 16. 08:35 AM - Re: First flight 541KF (Fox5flyer) 17. 08:36 AM - Re: file resizing (Fox5flyer) 18. 09:01 AM - Re: file resizing (Michel Verheughe) 19. 09:11 AM - Re: Broken Fox (spudnuts) 20. 09:58 AM - sales/use tax RV 9 (kerrjohna@comcast.net) 21. 10:04 AM - Re: Broken Fox (jeff puls) 22. 10:10 AM - Re: First flight 541KF (jeff puls) 23. 10:46 AM - Re: Motorcycle grip Throttle (Kenneth and Alice Jones) 24. 11:31 AM - Re: Broken Fox (Andrew Matthaey) 25. 11:41 AM - KitFox Model 7A for sale 760-728-2450 (Robert Harris) 26. 12:30 PM - Re: Broken Fox (Len Shorethose) 27. 01:18 PM - Re: file resizing (Bob Unternaehrer) 28. 02:35 PM - Re: series V C.G and weight limits and Oshkosh (jdmcbean) 29. 02:37 PM - Re: Broken Fox (Andrew Matthaey) 30. 02:50 PM - Re: Broken Fox (spudnuts) 31. 03:15 PM - Re: KitFox Model 7A for sale 760-728-2450 (Robert Harris) 32. 03:47 PM - Re: RV9-List: sales/use tax RV 9 (Streiker, Stephen D.) 33. 03:55 PM - Re: Re: Broken Fox (kurt schrader) 34. 04:10 PM - Re: Re: Broken Fox (jeff puls) 35. 04:17 PM - Re: Re: Broken Fox (kurt schrader) 36. 04:54 PM - Re: 912ULS - Oil in Exhaust (kurt schrader) 37. 05:23 PM - small file Blank series V weight and balance (AMuller589@aol.com) 38. 05:26 PM - Re: 912ULS - Oil in Exhaust (James Shumaker) 39. 05:52 PM - Re: Fuel caution (kurt schrader) 40. 06:35 PM - Re: small file Blank series V weight and balance (kurt schrader) 41. 06:36 PM - Re: Carburetor Troubles on 912Ul (John King) 42. 06:55 PM - Re: Carburetor Troubles on 912Ul (Jimmie Blackwell) 43. 08:06 PM - Re: Battery Box (Bill Hammond) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:58:41 AM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: Kitfox-List: Ham. WAS: Question to the list > From: Lowell Fitt [lcfitt@sbcglobal.net] > I was WA7SZJ until I failed to renew. And I am LA0HA. Well, mostly LA0HA/MM and I have never tried LA0HA/AM because I am exclusively CW operator and it would be strange to be in my Kitfox, my old keyer on the knee trying to transmit in light to moderate turbulence. :-) But, maybe if one day I get bored to fly, I'll build a tiny QRP kit of 5 Watts and trail a long-wire antenna through the opening of my bungee cords. A simple weighted copper wire on a fishing reel. ... but I can already hear my wife saying: "Yet another hobby, that's all you needed! Do you want me to serve you a Martini, shaken not stirred, dressed a Playboy bunny suit, while you solder your QRP radio set? ... in your dreams, Mister!" :-) 73 (dadadididit didididadat), Michel do not archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:36:13 AM PST US From: Jimmie Blackwell Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Question to the list WB5YEZ, Currently operating with a Yaesu FT-840 on HF and Vertex Standard Air Band/2Meter combination. Have on occassion used the 2 meter capability from the Kitfox. Great 2 meter coverage. Jimmie Cedar Park, Texas Andy Fultz wrote: --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andy Fultz" N5MPC here. NO ham gear up and running now. Putting all my pennies and time in the project. Planning to one day put 2m/440 in the plane though. Andy F. -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Grant Bright Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 10:59 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Question to the list --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Grant Bright" I don't think I have read anyone mentioning Ham Radio. Are any of you Fox fliers also ham radio ops? If so, it would be great to meet up and have a round-table. If not, there is Skpe which is free and allows "conference calls." Skype can be found at http://www.skype.com With a $10 microphone and $10 speakers, it works well...but not as much fun as ham radio. Cheers, Grant Series 5 Vixen 912UL N21VX W4OJC Atlanta, Georgia ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:07:08 AM PST US From: "Fox5flyer" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: First flight 541KF --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" Good story Ron, thanks. Obviously, only four things need to happen for the engine to run properly. Fuel, air, spark, and both to meet at the correct time. The first thing I'd check would be the fuel flow. Ensure it is within the fuel flow requirements. Check free flow and also the flow with pump on. Do you have a backup pump? You obviously have spark or the engine wouldn't run. However, when things heat up something is obviously breaking down. While checking fuel flow I would replace the plugs because it's the cheapest and easiest to do then go out and try again while taking note of all ambient conditions. Cleaning and gapping will not help a plug with a small crack in the insulator. Do you have EGT gauges? Do they read any different during this time. Does the engine miss under load or at all times, even when you're taxiing back? What is the OAT during this time? Do you have a manifold pressure (MP) gauge? Possibly you may have a small vacuum leak which the MP gauge would show. Mags are designed to operate under very high heat, but I wouldn't rule it out. Do you have a single mag? Do you have access to a spare? Hope some of this helps. Deke ----- Original Message ----- From: "ron schick" Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 12:12 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: First flight 541KF > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" > > Having recently completing my tailwheel training I left the field today in > N541KF. The VW powered MK IV Speedster is an absolute joy to fly. Slips > through the air without all of the parasitic drag of my STOL Avid. Flys > hands off and does not squirrel around when the power settings are changed. > This was a concern with the thrust centerline/ angle using the redrive. The > controls feel smooth and solid begging for more input than I plan to do for > a while. Balance feels perfect as I can stall the tailwheel down before the > mains if I want. > That is the good part.... The prop is overpitched and climbed 500' per > minute at best. Cruise was around 90 without being able to reach redline > rpm. Worse than that was this nasty little habit of misfiring after about > 1/2 hour hard running. I was doing a left then right mainwheel touch and go > to see what the alignment felt like on asphault. The landing went well with > no tendancy to swerve from either main wheel and a nice transition to > tailwheel. With 3000' of runway 31 asphault left I chose to go around > again. At about 300' agl the motor misfired a few times and I radioed > landing runway 22. I could not contact a small helo playing long on that > runway so I amended my landing to runway 16. This was a 230 course > reversal. With a tailwind and a pos motor I made the turn. It went well and > I could have landed anywhere there if needed. Fortunately I made the runway > so our overactive firefighters did'nt come over and hose me. > After gapping down the plugs at a friends hanger it ran flawlessly. Ten > miles to the north, near my grass strip, I began some steep turns and stalls > to get at least some performance testing in. After 1/2 hour running I made > for the pattern. On my turn to base the same misfire. Yes practice slips > and s turns and come in hot! I had my carb heat on and I don't think it was > ice. I believe it may be that my magneto is overheating and needs baffles > and a scat hose. After cooling down it once again runs perfect. I'll > check fuel flow as well. Any ideas??? Ron NB Ore Cleaning the shorts > > _________________________________________________________________ > http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:08:20 AM PST US From: "Andrew Matthaey" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Question to the list --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey" So where would one go about finding good, inexpensive ham-gear?? I don't think I've touched a radio in a few years...I'm afraid they might give KC2DKF away to another Hammer LoL...How much would a good aircraft setup run? Andrew >From: Jimmie Blackwell >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Question to the list >Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 05:35:24 -0700 (PDT) > >WB5YEZ, Currently operating with a Yaesu FT-840 on HF and Vertex Standard >Air Band/2Meter combination. Have on occassion used the 2 meter capability >from the Kitfox. Great 2 meter coverage. > > Jimmie > > Cedar Park, Texas > >Andy Fultz wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andy Fultz" > >N5MPC here. NO ham gear up and running now. Putting all my pennies and >time in the project. Planning to one day put 2m/440 in the plane though. > >Andy F. > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Grant Bright >Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 10:59 AM >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com >Subject: Kitfox-List: Question to the list > > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Grant Bright" > >I don't think I have read anyone mentioning Ham Radio. > >Are any of you Fox fliers also ham radio ops? If so, it >would be great to meet up and have a round-table. > >If not, there is Skpe which is free and allows "conference >calls." > >Skype can be found at http://www.skype.com With a $10 >microphone and $10 speakers, it works well...but not as much >fun as ham radio. > >Cheers, > >Grant > >Series 5 Vixen >912UL >N21VX > >W4OJC > >Atlanta, Georgia > > _________________________________________________________________ http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:28:37 AM PST US From: "Marwynne Kuhn" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Question to the list I am WB5PWG , I have worked a two meter handheld from my fox. I havn't thought about installing any radios. Marwynne -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jimmie Blackwell Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 5:35 AM To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Question to the list WB5YEZ, Currently operating with a Yaesu FT-840 on HF and Vertex Standard Air Band/2Meter combination. Have on occassion used the 2 meter capability from the Kitfox. Great 2 meter coverage. Jimmie Cedar Park, Texas Andy Fultz wrote: --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andy Fultz" N5MPC here. NO ham gear up and running now. Putting all my pennies and time in the project. Planning to one day put 2m/440 in the plane though. Andy F. -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Grant Bright Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 10:59 AM To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Subject: Kitfox-List: Question to the ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:29:45 AM PST US From: "flier" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Polytone over old polytone with carnauba. New question --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" Won't adhere by itself. Likely have to go with the light wet epoxy primer coat then the polytone... Regards, Ted --- Original Message --- From: "Cudnohufsky's" <7suds@Chartermi.net> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Polytone over old polytone with carnauba. New question >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Cudnohufsky's" <7suds@chartermi.net> > >Dave, And List, >What are your thoughts about Polytone over Aerothane if it is sanded heavily >with wet dry? ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:32:36 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Broken Fox From: "spudnuts" --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "spudnuts" I am thinking of buying a used series V that was ground looped (it ended up inverted on a grass strip). The tail was crunched a little, the prop was broken and some fabric torn, but the repairs look pretty good from the pictures (I have not seen it in person yet). It has a fresh annual (july) I am planning on making a visit soon, any particular things I should look for? I know thats a really broad question, but any help is appreciated. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=53031#53031 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:58:55 AM PST US From: "Bob Unternaehrer" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: series V C.G and weight limits --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" I stand corrected. I was going by others weights on IV's and 7's. A recently posted weight and balance sheet showed a Series 7 in the 1050 lb. range I believe. This just substantiates how different airplanes can be built from the same parts. I hope Phil incorporates many of the vacuum molded parts he made for his airplane also. What I know for sure is most light experimentals fly soooooo much better light. Maybe someone can tell me if there is much difference in weight of the series 5 vs the 7 and if someone has already built a series 7 in the 750 lb range. Bob U. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 11:32 AM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: series V C.G and weight limits > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" > > Just to support what Phil says: My Series 5 with a series 7 firewall > forward and 912S weighs 776 lbs. This is with Grove gear, large heavy > tires, adjustable pedals, dual brakes, two 13 gallon gas tanks and weight > conscious building. > > 750 lbs is not unreasonable. > > Randy > > > . > > > -----Original Message----- > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > phil@lakercustom.com > Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 9:34 AM > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: phil@lakercustom.com > > I own and have flown a Vixen for 1500 hours. It weighs 755 pounds > on EAA's "certified" scales. Tri gear, 1550 Grove gear, Clevelands. > I was very carefull about weight from the first hour of build. I > am sure a 750 pound Kitfox Super Sport will be acheivable, and am > betting the business on it. The demonstrator fuselage and weldments > are going to the powder coater now, I'll keep you all posted. The > Super Sport 1550 option is a slightly heavier gear. > > Thanks for the support shown us at Oshkosh! > > Phil Laker > > > > I guess the new series 7 airplanes that will be sold will have the 1320 GW > > that sport pilot allows according to the literature being handed out at > > OSH with a 1550 GVW option, which I think John said is a different landing > > gear being the main or only difference. Their literature shows EW of 750 > > lbs. which is likely very optimistic, since most Model IV's come out in or > > above that area, and if you actually come out around 900 lbs. which some > > have suggested you would only have slightly over 400 lbs. for fuel and > > people, or with full tanks of 27 gal, would make it a single place > > airplane for most of us and a max pilot weight of 258 lbs. One of the many > > "loop holes" I guess of the Sport Pilot thing. Bob U. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:58:55 AM PST US From: "Bob Unternaehrer" Subject: Kitfox-List: file resizing Could someone please post the method for resizing a ".doc" file again. I just looked at the W&B sheet that was posted for a series 5 and it came out 1028.5lbs. I'd like to have it available in blank form, but this file was over the 2 meg limit and is taking up unnecessary space. It seems to me that a separate downloadable program was required, or was it something already in the "windows' operating system. I'm sure glad the list allows attachments now and don't want to violate the rules. My "picture program" has an easy file converter for JPG files that are stored withing it, but nothing outside of it. Blue Skies Bob Unternaehrer shilocom@mcmsys.com ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:02:51 AM PST US From: Jimmie Blackwell Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Question to the list If you just want to do 2 meters the Vertex Standard VXA 710 will double as a air com/nav and 2 meter ham band. I have the VXA 700 which is similar and am happy with it after some initial problems. It comes with a headset adapter, so it is easy to use in an airplane for both air and ham applications. Should be able to get it through one of the larger ham stores for about $350. Jimmie Andrew Matthaey wrote: --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey" So where would one go about finding good, inexpensive ham-gear?? I don't think I've touched a radio in a few years...I'm afraid they might give KC2DKF away to another Hammer LoL...How much would a good aircraft setup run? Andrew >From: Jimmie Blackwell >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Question to the list >Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 05:35:24 -0700 (PDT) > >WB5YEZ, Currently operating with a Yaesu FT-840 on HF and Vertex Standard >Air Band/2Meter combination. Have on occassion used the 2 meter capability >from the Kitfox. Great 2 meter coverage. > > Jimmie > > Cedar Park, Texas > >Andy Fultz wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andy Fultz" > >N5MPC here. NO ham gear up and running now. Putting all my pennies and >time in the project. Planning to one day put 2m/440 in the plane though. > >Andy F. > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Grant Bright >Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 10:59 AM >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com >Subject: Kitfox-List: Question to the list > > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Grant Bright" > >I don't think I have read anyone mentioning Ham Radio. > >Are any of you Fox fliers also ham radio ops? If so, it >would be great to meet up and have a round-table. > >If not, there is Skpe which is free and allows "conference >calls." > >Skype can be found at http://www.skype.com With a $10 >microphone and $10 speakers, it works well...but not as much >fun as ham radio. > >Cheers, > >Grant > >Series 5 Vixen >912UL >N21VX > >W4OJC > >Atlanta, Georgia > > _________________________________________________________________ http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:05:41 AM PST US From: "Dave G." Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Broken Fox --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave G." Yup, look for bent and dented spars, particularly the rear. It's a time consuming repair. ----- Original Message ----- From: "spudnuts" Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 10:32 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Broken Fox > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "spudnuts" > > I am thinking of buying a used series V that was ground looped (it ended > up inverted on a grass strip). The tail was crunched a little, the prop > was broken and some fabric torn, but the repairs look pretty good from the > pictures (I have not seen it in person yet). It has a fresh annual (july) > I am planning on making a visit soon, any particular things I should look > for? I know thats a really broad question, but any help is appreciated. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=53031#53031 > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:09:12 AM PST US From: kurt schrader Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Broken Fox --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader I would do a by-the-book rigging check on it before purchase. That would help tell you if anything was bent that wasn't obvious. Kurt S. --- spudnuts wrote: > I am thinking of buying a used series V that was > ground looped (it ended up inverted on a grass > strip). The tail was crunched a little, the prop > was broken and some fabric torn, but the repairs > look pretty good from the pictures (I have not seen > it in person yet). It has a fresh annual (july) I > am planning on making a visit soon, any particular > things I should look for? I know thats a really > broad question, but any help is appreciated. __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:32:18 AM PST US From: kurt schrader Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: First flight 541KF --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader Hi Ron, I had a VW for a long time and had the same thing twice. Once it was ignition system overheat, and the other was the ignition capacitor itself. (I tore the whole engine apart for a $1.69 capacitor!) Add to that your engine might carbon up with that high pitch prop and just a little rich running. I'd buy a cheap ($10) indoor/outdoor thermometer and put the outside sensor on the ignition to monitor it. Shield it from the exhaust heat too. Just some thoughts. Kurt S. --- ron schick wrote: > Having recently completing my tailwheel training I > left the field today in > N541KF. The VW powered MK IV Speedster is an > absolute joy to fly. Slips > through the air without all of the parasitic drag of > my STOL Avid. Flys > hands off and does not squirrel around when the > power settings are changed. > This was a concern with the thrust centerline/ angle > using the redrive. The > controls feel smooth and solid begging for more > input than I plan to do for > a while. Balance feels perfect as I can stall the > tailwheel down before the > mains if I want. > That is the good part.... The prop is overpitched > and climbed 500' per > minute at best. Cruise was around 90 without being > able to reach redline > rpm. Worse than that was this nasty little habit > of misfiring after about > 1/2 hour hard running. I was doing a left then > right mainwheel touch and go > to see what the alignment felt like on asphault. > The landing went well with > no tendancy to swerve from either main wheel and a > nice transition to > tailwheel. With 3000' of runway 31 asphault left I > chose to go around > again. At about 300' agl the motor misfired a few > times and I radioed > landing runway 22. I could not contact a small helo > playing long on that > runway so I amended my landing to runway 16. This > was a 230 course > reversal. With a tailwind and a pos motor I made > the turn. It went well and > I could have landed anywhere there if needed. > Fortunately I made the runway > so our overactive firefighters did'nt come over and > hose me. > After gapping down the plugs at a friends hanger > it ran flawlessly. Ten > miles to the north, near my grass strip, I began > some steep turns and stalls > to get at least some performance testing in. After > 1/2 hour running I made > for the pattern. On my turn to base the same > misfire. Yes practice slips > and s turns and come in hot! I had my carb heat on > and I don't think it was > ice. I believe it may be that my magneto is > overheating and needs baffles > and a scat hose. After cooling down it once again > runs perfect. I'll > check fuel flow as well. Any ideas??? Ron NB Ore > Cleaning the shorts __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:39:58 AM PST US From: "ron schick" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: First flight 541KF --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" HI Deke. Single mag only and one cylinder misfires first if not the only one. I have limited gauges so am diagnosing by experience of other vw problems only. The plugs all looked the same with the excepion of the sooty misfiring plug. I think it sooted up as a result rather than cause of the misfire. Single barrell carb so I can eliminate many possibilities due to the other strong pulling cylinders. The misfire occred under transition to go around first, then at 50% or less power in the pattern the second time. My first check will be to ensure fuel flow, then put a stock distributor in for a test. I have everything to try this without spending more $$$$$ on parts which may not be the problem. I have a zero time Revmaster with dual plug heads that I may put on this engine if I can get the prop and performance dialed in. Hate to cabbage a complete motor though. Thanks Ron NB Ore >From: "Fox5flyer" >To: >Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: First flight 541KF >Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 09:05:56 -0400 > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" > >Good story Ron, thanks. Obviously, only four things need to happen for the >engine to run properly. Fuel, air, spark, and both to meet at the correct >time. The first thing I'd check would be the fuel flow. Ensure it is >within the fuel flow requirements. Check free flow and also the flow with >pump on. Do you have a backup pump? You obviously have spark or the >engine >wouldn't run. However, when things heat up something is obviously breaking >down. While checking fuel flow I would replace the plugs because it's the >cheapest and easiest to do then go out and try again while taking note of >all ambient conditions. Cleaning and gapping will not help a plug with a >small crack in the insulator. Do you have EGT gauges? Do they read any >different during this time. Does the engine miss under load or at all >times, even when you're taxiing back? What is the OAT during this time? >Do >you have a manifold pressure (MP) gauge? Possibly you may have a small >vacuum leak which the MP gauge would show. Mags are designed to operate >under very high heat, but I wouldn't rule it out. Do you have a single >mag? >Do you have access to a spare? >Hope some of this helps. >Deke > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "ron schick" >To: >Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 12:12 AM >Subject: Kitfox-List: First flight 541KF > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" > > > > > Having recently completing my tailwheel training I left the field today >in > > N541KF. The VW powered MK IV Speedster is an absolute joy to fly. Slips > > through the air without all of the parasitic drag of my STOL Avid. Flys > > hands off and does not squirrel around when the power settings are >changed. > > This was a concern with the thrust centerline/ angle using the redrive. >The > > controls feel smooth and solid begging for more input than I plan to do >for > > a while. Balance feels perfect as I can stall the tailwheel down before >the > > mains if I want. > > That is the good part.... The prop is overpitched and climbed 500' >per > > minute at best. Cruise was around 90 without being able to reach >redline > > rpm. Worse than that was this nasty little habit of misfiring after >about > > 1/2 hour hard running. I was doing a left then right mainwheel touch >and >go > > to see what the alignment felt like on asphault. The landing went well >with > > no tendancy to swerve from either main wheel and a nice transition to > > tailwheel. With 3000' of runway 31 asphault left I chose to go around > > again. At about 300' agl the motor misfired a few times and I radioed > > landing runway 22. I could not contact a small helo playing long on >that > > runway so I amended my landing to runway 16. This was a 230 course > > reversal. With a tailwind and a pos motor I made the turn. It went well >and > > I could have landed anywhere there if needed. Fortunately I made the >runway > > so our overactive firefighters did'nt come over and hose me. > > After gapping down the plugs at a friends hanger it ran flawlessly. >Ten > > miles to the north, near my grass strip, I began some steep turns and >stalls > > to get at least some performance testing in. After 1/2 hour running I >made > > for the pattern. On my turn to base the same misfire. Yes practice >slips > > and s turns and come in hot! I had my carb heat on and I don't think it >was > > ice. I believe it may be that my magneto is overheating and needs >baffles > > and a scat hose. After cooling down it once again runs perfect. I'll > > check fuel flow as well. Any ideas??? Ron NB Ore Cleaning the shorts > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:57:27 AM PST US From: "Tim Vader" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: First flight 541KF --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Tim Vader" Ron Sorry I can't offer any advice on the misfiring other than the things you've already outlined. Well maybe one thing, check your fuel line for nearby heat sources that could be causing some vapourizing problems. I think it's more likely to be electrical. Oh, check the plug wires for separation so they aren't crossfeeding each other. Congratulations on your first flight. I hope you get your problems sorted out for the next flight. Sounds like you handled your problems well on the first one. Good luck with diagnosing the problem. Tim Vader C-FBYV (Sub IV) Still repairing ----- Original Message ----- From: "ron schick" Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 10:12 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: First flight 541KF > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" > > > Having recently completing my tailwheel training I left the field today in > N541KF. The VW powered MK IV Speedster is an absolute joy to fly. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:35:35 AM PST US From: "Fox5flyer" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: First flight 541KF --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" It doesn't sound like a huge problem as you can easily see where it is affecting one plug and shouldn't be difficult to track down. First thing I'd do is change that plug and also the plug wire might be a bit of a suspect. Changing the distributor is a good plan too. One of the problems of doing too many changes in one go is that when the problem is fixed, you don't know which fix fixed it! Good luck and congrats on first flight. Deke ----- Original Message ----- From: "ron schick" Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 10:39 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: First flight 541KF > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" > > HI Deke. Single mag only and one cylinder misfires first if not the only > one. I have limited gauges so am diagnosing by experience of other vw > problems only. The plugs all looked the same with the excepion of the sooty > misfiring plug. I think it sooted up as a result rather than cause of the > misfire. Single barrell carb so I can eliminate many possibilities due to > the other strong pulling cylinders. The misfire occred under transition to > go around first, then at 50% or less power in the pattern the second time. > My first check will be to ensure fuel flow, then put a stock distributor in > for a test. I have everything to try this without spending more $$$$$ on > parts which may not be the problem. I have a zero time Revmaster with > dual plug heads that I may put on this engine if I can get the prop and > performance dialed in. Hate to cabbage a complete motor though. Thanks > Ron NB Ore > > > >From: "Fox5flyer" > >To: > >Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: First flight 541KF > >Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 09:05:56 -0400 > > > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" > > > >Good story Ron, thanks. Obviously, only four things need to happen for the > >engine to run properly. Fuel, air, spark, and both to meet at the correct > >time. The first thing I'd check would be the fuel flow. Ensure it is > >within the fuel flow requirements. Check free flow and also the flow with > >pump on. Do you have a backup pump? You obviously have spark or the > >engine > >wouldn't run. However, when things heat up something is obviously breaking > >down. While checking fuel flow I would replace the plugs because it's the > >cheapest and easiest to do then go out and try again while taking note of > >all ambient conditions. Cleaning and gapping will not help a plug with a > >small crack in the insulator. Do you have EGT gauges? Do they read any > >different during this time. Does the engine miss under load or at all > >times, even when you're taxiing back? What is the OAT during this time? > >Do > >you have a manifold pressure (MP) gauge? Possibly you may have a small > >vacuum leak which the MP gauge would show. Mags are designed to operate > >under very high heat, but I wouldn't rule it out. Do you have a single > >mag? > >Do you have access to a spare? > >Hope some of this helps. > >Deke > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "ron schick" > >To: > >Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 12:12 AM > >Subject: Kitfox-List: First flight 541KF > > > > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" > > > > > > > > Having recently completing my tailwheel training I left the field today > >in > > > N541KF. The VW powered MK IV Speedster is an absolute joy to fly. Slips > > > through the air without all of the parasitic drag of my STOL Avid. Flys > > > hands off and does not squirrel around when the power settings are > >changed. > > > This was a concern with the thrust centerline/ angle using the redrive. > >The > > > controls feel smooth and solid begging for more input than I plan to do > >for > > > a while. Balance feels perfect as I can stall the tailwheel down before > >the > > > mains if I want. > > > That is the good part.... The prop is overpitched and climbed 500' > >per > > > minute at best. Cruise was around 90 without being able to reach > >redline > > > rpm. Worse than that was this nasty little habit of misfiring after > >about > > > 1/2 hour hard running. I was doing a left then right mainwheel touch > >and > >go > > > to see what the alignment felt like on asphault. The landing went well > >with > > > no tendancy to swerve from either main wheel and a nice transition to > > > tailwheel. With 3000' of runway 31 asphault left I chose to go around > > > again. At about 300' agl the motor misfired a few times and I radioed > > > landing runway 22. I could not contact a small helo playing long on > >that > > > runway so I amended my landing to runway 16. This was a 230 course > > > reversal. With a tailwind and a pos motor I made the turn. It went well > >and > > > I could have landed anywhere there if needed. Fortunately I made the > >runway > > > so our overactive firefighters did'nt come over and hose me. > > > After gapping down the plugs at a friends hanger it ran flawlessly. > >Ten > > > miles to the north, near my grass strip, I began some steep turns and > >stalls > > > to get at least some performance testing in. After 1/2 hour running I > >made > > > for the pattern. On my turn to base the same misfire. Yes practice > >slips > > > and s turns and come in hot! I had my carb heat on and I don't think it > >was > > > ice. I believe it may be that my magneto is overheating and needs > >baffles > > > and a scat hose. After cooling down it once again runs perfect. I'll > > > check fuel flow as well. Any ideas??? Ron NB Ore Cleaning the shorts > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:36:05 AM PST US From: "Fox5flyer" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: file resizing Go to Microsoft and search Image Resizer. Deke ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Unternaehrer To: Kitfox List Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 10:07 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: file resizing Could someone please post the method for resizing a ".doc" file again. I just looked at the W&B sheet that was posted for a series 5 and it came out 1028.5lbs. I'd like to have it available in blank form, but this file was over the 2 meg limit and is taking up unnecessary space. It seems to me that a separate downloadable program was required, or was it something already in the "windows' operating system. I'm sure glad the list allows attachments now and don't want to violate the rules. My "picture program" has an easy file converter for JPG files that are stored withing it, but nothing outside of it. Blue Skies Bob Unternaehrer shilocom@mcmsys.com ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 09:01:25 AM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: file resizing --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe On Aug 7, 2006, at 4:07 PM, Bob Unternaehrer wrote: > Could someone please post the method for resizing a ".doc" file again. Hello Bob, The ".doc" format, proprietary of Microsoft Word, is never good to attach to an email, unless it is, indeed, a formatted text document such as a contract, letter of intent, or any business correspondence. I understand that you are talking about a graphic file. Yes, some people think Word is the fit-all format and put graphic in a Word document. Unfortunately, once done, it is impossible to retrieve it as the format has been changed to a somewhat heavier BMP (also a Microsoft proprietary format) and useless thing like available typefaces are added. In my opinion, the only way to retrieve the graphic is to take a screen dump of the document open, and then treat it as a graphic file. If you send me the file to my private email, I'll look at it and try to convert to something acceptable by the list. Cheers, Michel do not archive ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 09:11:43 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Broken Fox From: "spudnuts" --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "spudnuts" Forgive my obvious ignorance, but what is a 'by the book' rigging check? Where do I get this book? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=53085#53085 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 09:58:17 AM PST US From: kerrjohna@comcast.net Subject: Kitfox-List: sales/use tax RV 9 recent threads discussed state use/sales tax on homebuilt aircraft. obviously utah monitors the faa registration. tax plus interest from the date registration was issued has been assessed. they have assigned a fair market value of $56,900 on the RV9. The tax levied is $3470.90. it probably is not worth haggling over the fmv but raising the date from which interest is assessed might be worth a few pennies.
recent threads discussed state use/sales tax on homebuilt aircraft.  obviously utah monitors the faa registration.  tax plus interest from the date registration was issued has been assessed. they have assigned a fair market value of $56,900 on the RV9.  The tax levied is $3470.90.
 
it probably is not worth haggling over the fmv but raising the date from which interest is assessed might be worth a few pennies.
________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 10:04:28 AM PST US From: "jeff puls" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Broken Fox --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jeff puls" Look at the matrix of tubing in front of the seat for bending. Talk to the pilot who dinged it. There is a big difference between letting it get away from you a little and stomping on the brakes rather than a hard landing out of control. Find out if there was a "sudden stoppage" on the engine. Good luck! Sounds like a good project. Jeff Classic IV ----- Original Message ----- From: "kurt schrader" Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 10:08 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Broken Fox > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader > > > I would do a by-the-book rigging check on it before > purchase. That would help tell you if anything was > bent that wasn't obvious. > > Kurt S. > > --- spudnuts wrote: > >> I am thinking of buying a used series V that was >> ground looped (it ended up inverted on a grass >> strip). The tail was crunched a little, the prop >> was broken and some fabric torn, but the repairs >> look pretty good from the pictures (I have not seen >> it in person yet). It has a fresh annual (july) I >> am planning on making a visit soon, any particular >> things I should look for? I know thats a really >> broad question, but any help is appreciated. > > __________________________________________________ > > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 10:10:21 AM PST US From: "jeff puls" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: First flight 541KF --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jeff puls" It seems that everytime you had a problem you were in some type of turn. It could be fuel disruption for some reason. Jeff Classic IV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fox5flyer" Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 11:34 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: First flight 541KF > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" > > It doesn't sound like a huge problem as you can easily see where it is > affecting one plug and shouldn't be difficult to track down. First thing > I'd do is change that plug and also the plug wire might be a bit of a > suspect. Changing the distributor is a good plan too. One of the > problems > of doing too many changes in one go is that when the problem is fixed, you > don't know which fix fixed it! Good luck and congrats on first flight. > Deke > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ron schick" > To: > Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 10:39 AM > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: First flight 541KF > > >> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" > >> >> HI Deke. Single mag only and one cylinder misfires first if not the only >> one. I have limited gauges so am diagnosing by experience of other vw >> problems only. The plugs all looked the same with the excepion of the > sooty >> misfiring plug. I think it sooted up as a result rather than cause of >> the >> misfire. Single barrell carb so I can eliminate many possibilities due >> to >> the other strong pulling cylinders. The misfire occred under transition > to >> go around first, then at 50% or less power in the pattern the second >> time. >> My first check will be to ensure fuel flow, then put a stock distributor > in >> for a test. I have everything to try this without spending more $$$$$ >> on >> parts which may not be the problem. I have a zero time Revmaster with >> dual plug heads that I may put on this engine if I can get the prop and >> performance dialed in. Hate to cabbage a complete motor though. >> Thanks >> Ron NB Ore >> >> >> >From: "Fox5flyer" >> >To: >> >Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: First flight 541KF >> >Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 09:05:56 -0400 >> > >> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" > >> > >> >Good story Ron, thanks. Obviously, only four things need to happen for > the >> >engine to run properly. Fuel, air, spark, and both to meet at the > correct >> >time. The first thing I'd check would be the fuel flow. Ensure it is >> >within the fuel flow requirements. Check free flow and also the flow > with >> >pump on. Do you have a backup pump? You obviously have spark or the >> >engine >> >wouldn't run. However, when things heat up something is obviously > breaking >> >down. While checking fuel flow I would replace the plugs because it's > the >> >cheapest and easiest to do then go out and try again while taking note >> >of >> >all ambient conditions. Cleaning and gapping will not help a plug with >> >a >> >small crack in the insulator. Do you have EGT gauges? Do they read any >> >different during this time. Does the engine miss under load or at all >> >times, even when you're taxiing back? What is the OAT during this time? >> >Do >> >you have a manifold pressure (MP) gauge? Possibly you may have a small >> >vacuum leak which the MP gauge would show. Mags are designed to operate >> >under very high heat, but I wouldn't rule it out. Do you have a single >> >mag? >> >Do you have access to a spare? >> >Hope some of this helps. >> >Deke >> > >> > >> >----- Original Message ----- >> >From: "ron schick" >> >To: >> >Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 12:12 AM >> >Subject: Kitfox-List: First flight 541KF >> > >> > >> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick" >> > >> > > >> > > Having recently completing my tailwheel training I left the field > today >> >in >> > > N541KF. The VW powered MK IV Speedster is an absolute joy to fly. > Slips >> > > through the air without all of the parasitic drag of my STOL Avid. > Flys >> > > hands off and does not squirrel around when the power settings are >> >changed. >> > > This was a concern with the thrust centerline/ angle using the > redrive. >> >The >> > > controls feel smooth and solid begging for more input than I plan to > do >> >for >> > > a while. Balance feels perfect as I can stall the tailwheel down > before >> >the >> > > mains if I want. >> > > That is the good part.... The prop is overpitched and climbed 500' >> >per >> > > minute at best. Cruise was around 90 without being able to reach >> >redline >> > > rpm. Worse than that was this nasty little habit of misfiring after >> >about >> > > 1/2 hour hard running. I was doing a left then right mainwheel touch >> >and >> >go >> > > to see what the alignment felt like on asphault. The landing went > well >> >with >> > > no tendancy to swerve from either main wheel and a nice transition to >> > > tailwheel. With 3000' of runway 31 asphault left I chose to go >> > > around >> > > again. At about 300' agl the motor misfired a few times and I >> > > radioed >> > > landing runway 22. I could not contact a small helo playing long on >> >that >> > > runway so I amended my landing to runway 16. This was a 230 course >> > > reversal. With a tailwind and a pos motor I made the turn. It went > well >> >and >> > > I could have landed anywhere there if needed. Fortunately I made the >> >runway >> > > so our overactive firefighters did'nt come over and hose me. >> > > After gapping down the plugs at a friends hanger it ran flawlessly. >> >Ten >> > > miles to the north, near my grass strip, I began some steep turns and >> >stalls >> > > to get at least some performance testing in. After 1/2 hour running > I >> >made >> > > for the pattern. On my turn to base the same misfire. Yes practice >> >slips >> > > and s turns and come in hot! I had my carb heat on and I don't think > it >> >was >> > > ice. I believe it may be that my magneto is overheating and needs >> >baffles >> > > and a scat hose. After cooling down it once again runs perfect. > I'll >> > > check fuel flow as well. Any ideas??? Ron NB Ore Cleaning the > shorts >> > > >> > > _________________________________________________________________ >> > > http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 10:46:34 AM PST US From: "Kenneth and Alice Jones" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Motorcycle grip Throttle Thanks to those who responded to my request for help. While I'm at least a year away from engine installation, I'll start now on the research phase. I think I'll start by visiting a few motorcycle dealers to see how their systems work. Ken Jones ----- Original Message ----- From: John Anderson To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2006 3:48 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Motorcycle grip Throttle --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson" Recip helos have motorcycle type throttles on the collective. How about on the flap lever?? ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- All this talk about a motorcycle throttle has me worried! If John Denver were here he would say "keep things standard" "I can't live with controls and switches and valves being anywhere but correct and in the right place". That's what he would say. What would happen with a twist throttle (motorcycle style) at the end of your stick when moving the stick around, yanking it back for take off, pushing it forward for level flight and what about those quick lefts and rights at landing (little breezes). I can imagine, if I had another control on my stick, I would be adjusting the RPM the same time as I make flight control inputs. But then again, I am thinking of installing a foot controlled throttle. Do you think it should be to the right of the rudder peddles or in between? (Kidding!!) With all the discussions on the topic, safety? ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Need more speed? Get Xtra Broadband! ========================= ========================= http://wiki.matronics.com ========================= ========================= =========== ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 11:31:57 AM PST US From: "Andrew Matthaey" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Broken Fox --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey" It wouldn't happen to have been ground-looped sometimes last year in Florida, would it? Andrew do not archive >From: "spudnuts" >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com >Subject: Kitfox-List: Broken Fox >Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 06:32:08 -0700 > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "spudnuts" > >I am thinking of buying a used series V that was ground looped (it ended up >inverted on a grass strip). The tail was crunched a little, the prop was >broken and some fabric torn, but the repairs look pretty good from the >pictures (I have not seen it in person yet). It has a fresh annual (july) >I am planning on making a visit soon, any particular things I should look >for? I know thats a really broad question, but any help is appreciated. > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=53031#53031 > > _________________________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 11:41:08 AM PST US From: "Robert Harris" Subject: Kitfox-List: KitFox Model 7A for sale 760-728-2450 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Robert Harris" I've seen this plane and it is really nice. Built by a professional builder and priced way below value. Here is the barnstormers ad.This newest model has extended bagage and is complete firewall back. It is about 70% built with many accs. including factory wings. Will sell well below new cost. Asking $19,500 obo. Please phone Ken Schooley 760-728-2450. ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 12:30:00 PM PST US From: "Len Shorethose" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Broken Fox --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Len Shorethose" Yes it was one and the same... N704LS... I was the builder but not the guy that crashed it. I had sold it the day prior! It wasn't a ground loop but a landing in mud followed by a nose over with a prop strike. Ended up inverted. Poor judgment on the pilot's part for landing on a muddy grass strip. It was just up recently on eBay but didn't sell. Len Shorethose do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Matthaey" Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 1:31 PM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Broken Fox > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey" > > > It wouldn't happen to have been ground-looped sometimes last year in > Florida, would it? > > Andrew > > do not archive > > >>From: "spudnuts" >>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com >>Subject: Kitfox-List: Broken Fox >>Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 06:32:08 -0700 >> >>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "spudnuts" >> >>I am thinking of buying a used series V that was ground looped (it ended >>up inverted on a grass strip). The tail was crunched a little, the prop >>was broken and some fabric torn, but the repairs look pretty good from the >>pictures (I have not seen it in person yet). It has a fresh annual (july) >>I am planning on making a visit soon, any particular things I should look >>for? I know thats a really broad question, but any help is appreciated. >> >> >> >> >>Read this topic online here: >> >>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=53031#53031 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List > http://wiki.matronics.com > > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 01:18:23 PM PST US From: "Bob Unternaehrer" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: file resizing I can do "images" in jpg and others but not the ".doc" format. Bob U. ----- Original Message ----- From: Fox5flyer To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 10:35 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: file resizing Go to Microsoft and search Image Resizer. Deke ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Unternaehrer To: Kitfox List Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 10:07 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: file resizing Could someone please post the method for resizing a ".doc" file again. I just looked at the W&B sheet that was posted for a series 5 and it came out 1028.5lbs. I'd like to have it available in blank form, but this file was over the 2 meg limit and is taking up unnecessary space. It seems to me that a separate downloadable program was required, or was it something already in the "windows' operating system. I'm sure glad the list allows attachments now and don't want to violate the rules. My "picture program" has an easy file converter for JPG files that are stored withing it, but nothing outside of it. Blue Skies Bob Unternaehrer shilocom@mcmsys.com ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 02:35:15 PM PST US From: "jdmcbean" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: series V C.G and weight limits and Oshkosh --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" Well guys.... Thought we would get out from under the stack of stuff waiting for us upon our return from Oshkosh... No such luck... which is a great thing. We are very busy. Oshkosh went very well and we appreciate all the support from the builders/owners and a special thanks goes out to those who flew their Kitfox's to the show. It was great to see them there.. Maybe next year we can get them all together AND have a camping area. Congrats to Tim Petsche's award for the OUTSTANDING WORKMANSHIP , KIT BUILT. Most of you have seen Tim's Series 7 on our web.. http://kitfoxaircraft.com/NewToKitfox.htm As for the weights.... There are several things other then the gear.. it is just that the gear is one of the weight saving areas that has a gross weight limit attached to it... It is amazing how an ounce here and an ounce there really turns into several pounds... For the record there are several early Series 5's that are in the 600+ pound range and several 1550 GW 5's, 6's and 7's that are between 700 and 800 pounds... Most of the heavier ones 900+ incorporate the use of the Lycoming, Continental and NSI engines.. Some are even over the 1000 pound range. The Super Sport will have a 1320 gross on gear (1550 option) 1430 when on floats and the empty weight of 750 is obtainable... (most likely not on floats unfortunately.. although that would be very nice.) yes we are looking into floats.... For both the 1550 and the 1430. We are also re-introducing the round cowl for the Super Sport so both will be available. Fly Safe !! John & Debra McBean 208.337.5111 www.kitfoxaircraft.com "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground" -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bob Unternaehrer Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 6:41 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: series V C.G and weight limits --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" I stand corrected. I was going by others weights on IV's and 7's. A recently posted weight and balance sheet showed a Series 7 in the 1050 lb. range I believe. This just substantiates how different airplanes can be built from the same parts. I hope Phil incorporates many of the vacuum molded parts he made for his airplane also. What I know for sure is most light experimentals fly soooooo much better light. Maybe someone can tell me if there is much difference in weight of the series 5 vs the 7 and if someone has already built a series 7 in the 750 lb range. Bob U. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 11:32 AM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: series V C.G and weight limits > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" > > Just to support what Phil says: My Series 5 with a series 7 firewall > forward and 912S weighs 776 lbs. This is with Grove gear, large heavy > tires, adjustable pedals, dual brakes, two 13 gallon gas tanks and weight > conscious building. > > 750 lbs is not unreasonable. > > Randy > > > . > > > -----Original Message----- > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > phil@lakercustom.com > Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 9:34 AM > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: phil@lakercustom.com > > I own and have flown a Vixen for 1500 hours. It weighs 755 pounds > on EAA's "certified" scales. Tri gear, 1550 Grove gear, Clevelands. > I was very carefull about weight from the first hour of build. I > am sure a 750 pound Kitfox Super Sport will be acheivable, and am > betting the business on it. The demonstrator fuselage and weldments > are going to the powder coater now, I'll keep you all posted. The > Super Sport 1550 option is a slightly heavier gear. > > Thanks for the support shown us at Oshkosh! > > Phil Laker > > > > I guess the new series 7 airplanes that will be sold will have the 1320 GW > > that sport pilot allows according to the literature being handed out at > > OSH with a 1550 GVW option, which I think John said is a different landing > > gear being the main or only difference. Their literature shows EW of 750 > > lbs. which is likely very optimistic, since most Model IV's come out in or > > above that area, and if you actually come out around 900 lbs. which some > > have suggested you would only have slightly over 400 lbs. for fuel and > > people, or with full tanks of 27 gal, would make it a single place > > airplane for most of us and a max pilot weight of 258 lbs. One of the many > > "loop holes" I guess of the Sport Pilot thing. Bob U. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 02:37:36 PM PST US From: "Andrew Matthaey" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Broken Fox --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey" Yep - I know the err...pilot. We had been looking at Fox's at about the same time when I found mine here and he found his down in Texas (you!) and told me he was going to fly it to Sun N Fun...He sent me the picture the day it happened and after calling me - I could not believe it!! First, he punched in bad coordinates and relied solely on his GPS, and then he saw this field w/mud in the middle-third and then he landed not short, not long, but right into the mud and flipped her end over end!! He's a nice guy, I've flown into his strip a few times now (he has a Super Cub now), but poor, poor judgement on his part! Oh well...There are those that learn the hard way ;-) Andrew do not archive >From: "Len Shorethose" >To: >Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Broken Fox >Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 14:28:16 -0500 > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Len Shorethose" > > >Yes it was one and the same... N704LS... I was the builder but not the guy >that crashed it. I had sold it the day prior! >It wasn't a ground loop but a landing in mud followed by a nose over with a >prop strike. Ended up inverted. Poor judgment on the pilot's part for >landing on a muddy grass strip. > >It was just up recently on eBay but didn't sell. > >Len Shorethose > >do not archive > > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Matthaey" > >To: >Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 1:31 PM >Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Broken Fox > > >>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey" >> >> >>It wouldn't happen to have been ground-looped sometimes last year in >>Florida, would it? >> >>Andrew >> >>do not archive >> >> >>>From: "spudnuts" >>>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com >>>Subject: Kitfox-List: Broken Fox >>>Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 06:32:08 -0700 >>> >>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "spudnuts" >>> >>>I am thinking of buying a used series V that was ground looped (it ended >>>up inverted on a grass strip). The tail was crunched a little, the prop >>>was broken and some fabric torn, but the repairs look pretty good from >>>the pictures (I have not seen it in person yet). It has a fresh annual >>>(july) I am planning on making a visit soon, any particular things I >>>should look for? I know thats a really broad question, but any help is >>>appreciated. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>Read this topic online here: >>> >>>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=53031#53031 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >> >> >> >> >>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List >>http://wiki.matronics.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List >http://wiki.matronics.com > > _________________________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 02:50:27 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Broken Fox From: "spudnuts" --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "spudnuts" Yeah, that plane is getting famous now isn't it ? ha. I am going to take a long drive and go look at it this weekend. Probably too good to be true. I don't know if thats so or if the owner just wants to get rid of it. It still has a few things wrong, cosmetic so he says, only one way to find out I guess. Len gave me some great info, talked to Cliff too (the guy that flipped it), but I figure only a hands on will tell me what I need to know. Like I said, any suggestions on what to look for appreciated. Here is the infamous pic of it: http://www.eaa1257.org/cliff.jpg Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=53189#53189 ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 03:15:35 PM PST US From: "Robert Harris" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: KitFox Model 7A for sale 760-728-2450 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Robert Harris" I commute to work daily in a Model V Outback that Ken built and love it. He sold his model V to me so he could build a Model 7A Kitfox. Unfortunately his knees are giving him problems so he is selling his 7A. Ken is a professional builder and one heck of a nice guy. I'd like to help Ken because if it wasn't for him I'd still be sitting in traffic instead of Flying to WORK. He helped me get my pilot License and helped me to buy his Model V. If you have any doubts about building and or flying give Ken a call and he may be able to help you too. Robert Harris N200KF Model V 0200 San Diego >I've seen this plane and it is really nice. Built by a professional builder >and priced way below value. Here is the barnstormers ad.This newest model >has extended bagage and is complete firewall back. It is about 70% built >with many accs. including factory wings. Will sell well below new cost. >Asking $19,500 obo. Please phone Ken Schooley 760-728-2450. > > >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List >http://wiki.matronics.com > > ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 03:47:52 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: RE: RV9-List: sales/use tax RV 9 From: "Streiker, Stephen D." And another good reason why all aircraft should be held inside a Delaware corporate entity. There is no good reason to register the aircraft in the domicile that is sits. Stephen D. Streiker steve@streiker.com M: +1 323 252 0277 ________________________________ From: owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kerrjohna@comcast.net Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 9:57 AM Subject: RV9-List: sales/use tax RV 9 recent threads discussed state use/sales tax on homebuilt aircraft. obviously utah monitors the faa registration. tax plus interest from the date registration was issued has been assessed. they have assigned a fair market value of $56,900 on the RV9. The tax levied is $3470.90. it probably is not worth haggling over the fmv but raising the date from which interest is assessed might be worth a few pennies. ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 03:55:57 PM PST US From: kurt schrader Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Broken Fox --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader I see some worry points in the picture: Bent left lift and jury struts means some possible wing damage. An awful lot of up elevator would seem to indicate broken flight control linkage. Of course there is the stuff you all expected with the engine/prop damage. But I just thought whoever gets it should look closely for hidden damage. Kurt S. --- spudnuts wrote: > Yeah, that plane is getting famous now isn't it ? > ha. I am going to take a long drive and go look at > it this weekend. Probably too good to be true. I > don't know if thats so or if the owner just wants to > get rid of it. It still has a few things wrong, > cosmetic so he says, only one way to find out I > guess. Len gave me some great info, talked to Cliff > too (the guy that flipped it), but I figure only a > hands on will tell me what I need to know. Like I > said, any suggestions on what to look for > appreciated. Here is the infamous pic of it: > http://www.eaa1257.org/cliff.jpg > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=53189#53189 > > > > > > > > > > > browse > Subscriptions page, > FAQ, > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List > > > Admin. > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 04:10:33 PM PST US From: "jeff puls" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Broken Fox --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jeff puls" I hope that is the wash out I see on the right wing. The support struts appear to be intact. I assume you remove the wings before you flip it? Good luck! Jeff Classic IV ----- Original Message ----- From: "spudnuts" Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 5:49 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Broken Fox > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "spudnuts" > > Yeah, that plane is getting famous now isn't it ? ha. I am going to take > a long drive and go look at it this weekend. Probably too good to be true. > I don't know if thats so or if the owner just wants to get rid of it. It > still has a few things wrong, cosmetic so he says, only one way to find > out I guess. Len gave me some great info, talked to Cliff too (the guy > that flipped it), but I figure only a hands on will tell me what I need to > know. Like I said, any suggestions on what to look for appreciated. Here > is the infamous pic of it: > http://www.eaa1257.org/cliff.jpg > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=53189#53189 > > > ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 04:17:23 PM PST US From: kurt schrader Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Broken Fox --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader I meant by the builder's manual. The distance from the (undamaged) tailpost to each wing tip should be equal, the wing washout measured on a leveled plane, the dihedrial, sweep, etc. If anything hidden got bent, you might find it this way. Kurt S. --- spudnuts wrote: > Forgive my obvious ignorance, but what is a 'by the > book' rigging check? Where do I get this book? __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 04:54:55 PM PST US From: kurt schrader Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 912ULS - Oil in Exhaust --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader John, Sounds like a good time for a compression check.... Stuck ring? Valve guide? Some might give it a good hard run and see if this brings it back to normal. Just sitting is hard on planes. Kurt S. --- John Banes wrote: > The engine had not been operated for 5 weeks. > Temperatures in the hangar > during this period were in excess of 100 deg F. It > was hand propped, > several revolutions, until the oil level in the > external reservoir was more > than half way up the dipstick. Since the battery > was low the initial start > was attempted with the choke full on. The engine > went through a couple of > revolutions and stopped when it tried to fire. The > next attempt ended with > a single backfire after two of three revolutions. > So the choke was closed > and the starter was engaged and the engine rotated > several times, just > enough for the oil pressure to register 70psig, but > it did not start. The > started was disengaged. Then the starter was > engaged with the choke on and > the engine fired and ran smoothly at 2000 RPM. > There was just a trace of > smoke. It did not seem to persist so it was > attributed to excess fuel from > the previous attempts to start the engine. The > engine idled and responded > to throttle inputs normally and taxiing was begun. > Two to three minutes > later there was a large amount of smoke coming out > of the exhaust and oil > started to collect on the left landing gear and lift > strut. The engine was > operated for another couple of minutes during the > return to the hangar. > Most of the mosquitoes had left the area by this > time. After a total of 5 > minutes of operation the smoke stopped. The > inspection after shutdown > revealed the oil level in the tank to be at the full > mark and the interior > of the exhaust pipe was coated with oil. > Subsequently the engine has been > operated for more than two hours with no trace of > smoke or oil. > > Does anyone know of a similar experience? > > Thanks in advance! > > John Banes > > S6 912S 225TT Pennzoil Motorcycle Oil 10W40 __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 05:23:46 PM PST US From: AMuller589@aol.com Subject: Kitfox-List: small file Blank series V weight and balance I will try to attach a much smaller jpeg file that I found. Hope it comes thru ok. I don't know much about changing formats. I edited the numbers off of this one so you would have a blank one. I will also try the recommended way to reduce files. thanks and Good Luck. An associated note said " NOTE: it is recommended that flap deflection be limited to (unspecified) notch on Series V tail draggers when operating at CG stations forward of 11.70 inch. The aircraft may not be able to achieve a three point attitude upon landing at extreme forward CG stations with full flaps. FLIGHT LOAD FACTOR FLAPS UP + 3.8g - 1.52g" since our series 5 with 2.2 Eggenfellner subaru has electric trim I cannot associate with notches of flaps. ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 05:26:44 PM PST US From: James Shumaker Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 912ULS - Oil in Exhaust John The oil reservoir in the kitfox is above the engine. The oil siphons into the crankcase while sitting. Some oil also leaks past the rings and into the cylinder. Pulling the prop through by hand before starting prevented hydraulic lock but some oil made it to the exhaust manifold where it sputtered out the exhaust during start up. The oil turned to smoke as the engine warmed up. No smoke after that is a good sign. As Kurt said, a compression check is in order. Jim Shumaker > The engine had not been operated for 5 weeks. > Temperatures in the hangar > during this period were in excess of 100 deg F. It > was hand propped, > several revolutions, until the oil level in the > external reservoir was more > than half way up the dipstick. Since the battery > was low the initial start > was attempted with the choke full on. The engine > went through a couple of > revolutions and stopped when it tried to fire. The > next attempt ended with > a single backfire after two of three revolutions. > So the choke was closed > and the starter was engaged and the engine rotated > several times, just > enough for the oil pressure to register 70psig, but > it did not start. The > started was disengaged. Then the starter was > engaged with the choke on and > the engine fired and ran smoothly at 2000 RPM. > There was just a trace of > smoke. It did not seem to persist so it was > attributed to excess fuel from > the previous attempts to start the engine. The > engine idled and responded > to throttle inputs normally and taxiing was begun. > Two to three minutes > later there was a large amount of smoke coming out > of the exhaust and oil > started to collect on the left landing gear and lift > strut. The engine was > operated for another couple of minutes during the > return to the hangar. > Most of the mosquitoes had left the area by this > time. After a total of 5 > minutes of operation the smoke stopped. The > inspection after shutdown > revealed the oil level in the tank to be at the full > mark and the interior > of the exhaust pipe was coated with oil. > Subsequently the engine has been > operated for more than two hours with no trace of > smoke or oil. > > Does anyone know of a similar experience? > > Thanks in advance! > > John Banes > > S6 912S 225TT Pennzoil Motorcycle Oil 10W40 __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 05:52:49 PM PST US From: kurt schrader Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fuel caution --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader Thanks for this Larry. Going into my files. Kurt S. Do not archive --- Larry Martin wrote: > > NTSB Identification: ANC99LA101 . > The docket is stored in the Docket Management System > (DMS). Please contact Records Management Division > 14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation > Accident occurred Saturday, July 31, 1999 in > ANCHORAGE, AK > Probable Cause Approval Date: 1/18/2001 > Aircraft: Haering Avid Flyer AVID FLYER, > registration: N511AF > Injuries: 1 Uninjured. > The solo commercial pilot reported that during > cruise flight the engine began to run rough, and > lose power. He noted that for a short time, he was > able to restore partial engine power by actuating > the engine fuel primer. While attempting to land on > a small, private airstrip, all engine power was > lost, and the airplane collided with a stand of > trees. An examination of the interior of the > fiberglass fuel tanks revealed delamination of the > resin material within the tank, and both main fuel > tank outlets were blocked with a brown, plastic-like > material. Examination of both in-line wing fuel > filters revealed the presence of the same material > found in the main fuel tanks. The pilot/owner stated > that in the past, he had operated the airplane for > about 40 hours using an alcohol based fuel. AVID > Aircraft service letter number 03, dated 5/91, > covering all AVID Flyer models, stipulates that a > placard be placed near the filler neck stating, in > part: 'NO ALCOHOL BLENDED FUELS. These fuels may > cause deterioration of the fiberglass tanks or > carburetor parts.' The pilot/owner stated that since > he has owned the airplane, he has not received any > warnings or directives concerning the use of alcohol > based fuels directly from the manufacture of the > airplane kit, AVID Aircraft, Inc. > > The National Transportation Safety Board determines > the probable cause(s) of this accident as follows: > > A loss of engine power due to blockage of the > airplane fuel system, a delamination of the > fiberglass fuel tanks, and the usage of an improper > fuel. A factor associated with the accident was the > failure of the kit manufacturer to inform the > pilot/owner against the usage of alcohol based fuel. __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 06:35:21 PM PST US From: kurt schrader Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: small file Blank series V weight and balance --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader What was the source of the note? First I have seen that. Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo --- AMuller589@aol.com wrote: ...... An associated note said > > " NOTE: it is recommended that flap deflection be > limited to (unspecified) > notch on Series V tail draggers when operating at CG > stations forward of 11.70 > inch. The aircraft may not be able to achieve a > three point attitude upon > landing at extreme forward CG stations with full > flaps...... __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 06:36:57 PM PST US From: John King Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Carburetor Troubles on 912Ul Jimmie, The springs on each side of the carbs were provided by SkyStar as part of the firewall kit. The one spring on the top of the carbs is a Rotax provided part and can be ordered through Lockwood. -- John King Warrenton, VA Jimmie Blackwell wrote: > They are the stiffer ones and I think are impregnated with kevlar. > > I did just discover one possible cause. My carb has two retaining > springs, one on each side. They do not have the spring on top of the > carb that attaches to the balancing tube. Do you have this top spring? > ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 06:55:18 PM PST US From: Jimmie Blackwell Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Carburetor Troubles on 912Ul Hope to have two top springs plus new rubber flange in the mail tomorrow. Sure hope that fixes the problem. Thanks John Jimmie John King wrote: Jimmie, The springs on each side of the carbs were provided by SkyStar as part of the firewall kit. The one spring on the top of the carbs is a Rotax provided part and can be ordered through Lockwood. -- John King Warrenton, VA Jimmie Blackwell wrote: They are the stiffer ones and I think are impregnated with kevlar. I did just discover one possible cause. My carb has two retaining springs, one on each side. They do not have the spring on top of the carb that attaches to the balancing tube. Do you have this top spring? ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 08:06:32 PM PST US From: Bill Hammond Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Battery Box --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Bill Hammond Aircraft Spruce sells a mounting bracket especially sized for the PC680. It is reasonalbly priced, gets a secure grip on the battery, and can be mounted with adel clamps pretty easily. I have a picture of just such an installation in my Series 6 at http://www.itsys3.com/kitfox/images/annual05/NewBatt.JPG Bill Hammond Parker, CO Cudnohufsky's wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Cudnohufsky's" <7suds@chartermi.net> > > List, > Installing an Odessey PC680 in my fox forward of the firewall, can I > simply construct a tray to hold it or does it need to be a full box? > Lloyd > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List > http://wiki.matronics.com > > > > > > > > > > >