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1. 12:44 AM - Re: Carburetor Troubles on 912Ul (Jimmie Blackwell)
2. 12:46 AM - Re: Lost Carbs (Jimmie Blackwell)
3. 03:27 AM - Spars-reminder (Dave G.)
4. 04:29 AM - Re: Spars-reminder (Fox5flyer)
5. 05:04 AM - Rotax 582 cover plate (kitfox)
6. 05:40 AM - Re: Kitfox III-A W&B, Preflight report (Noel Loveys)
7. 05:53 AM - Kitfox Storage pod (Noel Loveys)
8. 06:45 AM - Re: Rotax 582 cover plate (Aerobatics@aol.com)
9. 06:45 AM - Re: Kitfox Storage pod (Rexster)
10. 06:47 AM - Re: Spars-reminder (Dave G.)
11. 10:06 AM - Flying without doors (tc9008@aol.com)
12. 11:00 AM - Re: Flying without doors (flier)
13. 11:10 AM - Re: Flying without doors (wingnut)
14. 11:37 AM - Re: Flying without doors (Lowell Fitt)
15. 11:44 AM - Re: Re: sales/use tax RV 9 (Ron Liebmann)
16. 12:04 PM - Re: Flying without doors (darinh)
17. 12:04 PM - Re: Re: Flying without doors (W Duke)
18. 12:26 PM - Re: Re: Flying without doors (flier)
19. 12:33 PM - Re: Flying without doors (Michel Verheughe)
20. 12:39 PM - Re: Re: Flying without doors (Randy Daughenbaugh)
21. 12:55 PM - Re: Flying without doors (wingnut)
22. 01:28 PM - Re: Re: Flying without doors (tc9008@aol.com)
23. 01:30 PM - Re: Re: Flying without doors (Lowell Fitt)
24. 01:37 PM - Re: Flying without doors (Fox5flyer)
25. 02:11 PM - Re: Flying without doors (Richard Rabbers)
26. 02:54 PM - Re: Flying without doors (flier)
27. 03:02 PM - Re: Flying without doors (Marco Menezes)
28. 03:46 PM - Re: Kitfox Storage pod (Noel Loveys)
29. 04:11 PM - Re: Flying without doors (Barry West)
30. 04:12 PM - Re: Re: Flying without doors (John Anderson)
31. 04:16 PM - Re: Re: Flying without doors (Steve Wilson)
32. 04:42 PM - Re: Re: Flying without doors (RAY Gignac)
33. 05:37 PM - Re: Carburetor Troubles on 912Ul (jeff puls)
34. 06:39 PM - Carbs falling off 912's (Rex Shaw)
35. 08:38 PM - Re: Carbs falling off 912's (Richard Rabbers)
36. 08:41 PM - Re: Flying without doors (john perry)
37. 08:50 PM - Re: Re: Flying without doors (Cudnohufsky's)
38. 08:56 PM - Re: Flying without doors (darinh)
39. 09:45 PM - Re: Re: Flying without doors (kurt schrader)
40. 10:02 PM - Re: Re: Flying without doors (kurt schrader)
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| Subject: | Re: Carburetor Troubles on 912Ul |
I talked to Lockwood aviation and the Tech said that the real problem was that
we Kitfoxers turn the intake manifold around which puts the carb in a position
to be more vulnerable to shaking. That does not help us much because as far
as I know we do not have a choice about swapping the intake manifolds.
I believe the real problem is a material defect in the newest rubber flanges.
Soon as I get my replacement rubber flanges installed I am sending the old one
(which is less than a year old) to Phil Lockwood and ask him to examine the
pitting inside this rubber flange.
It would probably be a good idea for anyone who has the new type rubber flanges,
(that is the type with the 8mm spacer, Rotax part # 267788), to check in side
for signs of pitting.
Jimmie
jeff puls <pulsair@mindspring.com> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jeff puls"
Grant,
Stick with the orignal design of the Rotax. Something else is going on. Is
your prop properly balanced and pitched? Are you using the latest sockets
(check the part numbers)? Have you talked to a Rotax tech? Jeff Classic IV
912UL
----- Original Message -----
From: "Grant Fluent"
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 5:37 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Carburetor Troubles on 912Ul
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent
>
> Jimmie,
> I posted a question and an idea to the list a while
> back concerning the 912 carbs shaking off but got
> little feedback. I had the idea of making a pair of
> brackets that would bolt to the top of the cylinder
> heads on each side that go rearward bending under the
> carb bowl and back up to a ring that would support the
> back of the carburetor. These brackets would bolt to
> the spare threaded hole on the top of each cylinder
> head. As far as I can tell, there is nothing that this
> threaded hole will be used for on my Classic IV (still
> building). For as little weight as they would add, it
> would sure give me piece of mind that the carbs aren't
> going to fall off after takeoff. I still plan on
> using Clint Bazzill's method of startup and shutdown.
> Has anyone else thought of doing this or has done
> this?
> Grant Fluent
> Newcastle, NE
> Classic IV 912S
>
>
> --- Jimmie Blackwell
> wrote:
>
>> Hope to have two top springs plus new rubber flange
>> in the mail tomorrow. Sure hope that fixes the
>> problem.
>>
>> Thanks John
>>
>> Jimmie
>>
>> John King wrote:
>> Jimmie,
>>
>> The springs on each side of the carbs were provided
>> by SkyStar as part of the firewall kit. The one
>> spring on the top of the carbs is a Rotax provided
>> part and can be ordered through Lockwood.
>>
>> -- John King Warrenton, VA
>>
>> Jimmie Blackwell wrote:
>> They are the stiffer ones and I think are
>> impregnated with kevlar.
>>
>> I did just discover one possible cause. My carb
>> has two retaining springs, one on each side. They
>> do not have the spring on top of the carb that
>> attaches to the balancing tube. Do you have this
>> top spring?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Great information ED. Thank you.
Jimmie
Ed Grasso <grassoe@enter.net> wrote:
Ive been seeing a lot of posts about carbs popping out. I had this
problem early on with my 912S. Here are some of the things I did to cure it.
1 Look on the sportflight site I posted some pics on how I setup my carb springs
(lower springs from hardware store)
2 Had slipper clutch installed by Lockwood.
3 Rough up carb inlet where they fit into sockets with scotchbrite.
4 Clean carb socket with acetone.
5 Dont over tighten the clamp I used washers for the 7mm gap.
6 Make sure your carbs are in sync I used a synchromate 2 I got from Bing Agency
you can contact them at 800-309-5808 much better than the dual vacuum gauges
also has a built in tach.
7 Use Clints start procedure here is how I do it. He may correct me.
1 Dont use a primer close the throttle and crank 10 seconds with mags off (you
must have switches separate from the start switch) holding the enrichiner
out to prime.
2 Set throttle to a spot you know will idle 2000 and turn on mags and start.
If the engine does not start right up STOP and prime again or clear flood by
mags off throttle open and crank.
Also after your engine breaks in you will notice much improvement. You can contact
me at 610-564-0803 with any questions I will be happy to help. I have not
lost a carb in 225 hrs.
Ed Grasso
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Hi John. I had contacted you just as you were on the way out the door
for Oshkosh about my spars and inserts and a few other bits. I thought I
would dash off a reminder in case the request got lost in the rush. If
you need more information, just ask. Thanks.
Dave Goddard
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| Subject: | Re: Spars-reminder |
Dave, if this message was meant for John McBean, his address is
jdmcbean@cableone.net
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave G.
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 6:26 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Spars-reminder
Hi John. I had contacted you just as you were on the way out the door
for Oshkosh about my spars and inserts and a few other bits. I thought I
would dash off a reminder in case the request got lost in the rush. If
you need more information, just ask. Thanks.
Dave Goddard
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| Subject: | Rotax 582 cover plate |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfox <kitfox@bulldog.itgo.com>
I have a Rotax 582 blue head I'm putting in a KF III.
It has an E gear box on it. I took off the rope pull
start mechanism. This leaves an area on the back of
the engine where the starter would go if using a C
gear box. Should I fashion a cover plate for this
area before I install it or will it not matter. It
will not really keep out dirt as the cover can not
easily be air tight. It would mostly just cover that
attach area for the starter.
Opinions ?
Bruce
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| Subject: | Kitfox III-A W&B, Preflight report |
My mistake....This should get the file to you.
Sorry 'bout that.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve
Wilson
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 12:23 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox III-A W&B, Preflight report
This info would be interesting to review, but there was no attachment.
Steve Wilson
----- Original Message -----
From: Noel <mailto:noelloveys@yahoo.ca> Loveys
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 6:47 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox III-A W&B, Preflight report
I did up this X-Cell file to make flight planning a little easier... it
works for my plane on Aerocet 1100 straight floats.
to use this calculator; First unprotect the sheet and change cell [B10]
to
the magnetic variation for your part of the world, [C16] and [D16] to
your
empty weight and CG. Then re-protect the sheet to avoid making input
errors.
When you are ready to fly all you have to do is input the correct data,
in
black bold in cells [B4 to B12] except [B10] the excel does the rest for
you.
To update all the Performance data change the contents of E29 and E30 (
Launch location and altitude) then excel will calculate the cross wind
effects and pressure altitude.
the sheet is easily changed for conventional and tri gear too.
I usually print one copy to staple to a flight itinerary and up load a
copy
to my PDA for reference. Note: the cell protection doesn't work on the
PDA... The advantages of using the PDA are in case I take on more fuel
or
weight at a remote location.
Fly Fish, Fly Floats, Fly Safe!
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
AMuller589@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 8:23 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: small file Blank series V weight and balance
Attached is subject page from SERIES V POH page 2-4. I found a way to
reduce
it from 2.4mb to 266.4KB. Hope I can figure a way to repeat it for
future
X-MSN.
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
<smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
What was the source of the note? First I have seen
that.
Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo
--- AMuller589@aol.com wrote:
...... An associated note said
>
> " NOTE: it is recommended that flap deflection be
> limited to (unspecified)
> notch on Series V tail draggers when operating at CG
> stations forward of 11.70
> inch. The aircraft may not be able to achieve a
> three point attitude upon
> landing at extreme forward CG stations with full
> flaps......
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| Subject: | Kitfox Storage pod |
John:
Can you post a picture of a kitfox with the storage pod you manufacture
installed or a picture of the pod alone?
Also will that pod attach to my mod III-A on floats?
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jdmcbean
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 9:45 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Awards
We can make them. and yes they are easy to attach.
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
208.337.5111
www.kitfoxaircraft.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
debrun26@juno.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Awards
Where could I find a storage pod for a KF5 and are they easy to attach?
Layne
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 582 cover plate |
That's a good question... I did in fact make a cover plate for my 582 BH
because I used a e box.... 260 hours later perfect...
Dave KF2
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Storage pod |
Noel,
I have the pod on my model III. It's been on the entire 580 hours and
I like it a lot. If you need pictures, I can get you some.
Rex in Michigan
-- "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca> wrote:
John:Can you post a picture of a kitfox with the storage pod you manufac
ture installed or a picture of the pod alone? Also will that pod attac
h to my mod III-A on floats? Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-s
erver@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jdmcbean
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 9:45 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Awards
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Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
208.337.5111
www.kitfoxaircraft.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-s
erver@matronics.com]On Behalf Of debrun26@juno.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Awards
Where could I find a storage pod for a KF5 and are they easy to attach?
Layne
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| Subject: | Re: Spars-reminder |
Yes it was, I've got his address thanks. I just hit the wrong button.
----- Original Message -----
From: Fox5flyer
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 8:28 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Spars-reminder
Dave, if this message was meant for John McBean, his address is
jdmcbean@cableone.net
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave G.
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 6:26 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Spars-reminder
Hi John. I had contacted you just as you were on the way out the
door for Oshkosh about my spars and inserts and a few other bits. I
thought I would dash off a reminder in case the request got lost in the
rush. If you need more information, just ask. Thanks.
Dave Goddard
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| Subject: | Flying without doors |
Has anyone Flown their kitfox without doors?
________________________________________________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: Flying without doors |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" <FLIER@sbcglobal.net>
Flown my IV with'em open, not off, but it shouldn't
make any difference. Flies fine. Lot of breeze!
Just make sure your turtledeck is secure as there's a
lot of pressure on it.
Regards,
Ted
--- Original Message ---
From: tc9008@aol.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: Flying without doors
> Has anyone Flown their kitfox without doors?
>_____________________________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: Flying without doors |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
Did you do something to secure your doors in the up position? I'd like to try it
but my doors are only supported by the lift struts. I was worried that the doors
would bang around.
How about flying without a turtledeck?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=53678#53678
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| Subject: | Re: Flying without doors |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Although I have never flown with the doors removed, I have flown with both
doors open and mine open as I take photos. I find that with the doors open,
the doors give a little bit of lift as the nose will pitch up a bit as the
door rises.
Others have much more experience with open door flying and I know there are
listers that routinely remove their doors for summer flying.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: <tc9008@aol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 10:04 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Flying without doors
> Has anyone Flown their kitfox without doors?
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron Liebmann" <rliebmann@comcast.net>
mist
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 11:25 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: sales/use tax RV 9
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
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> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 11:01 AM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: sales/use tax RV 9
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>> What!? You have to pay 6%/year just to own your airplane? Yikes. My state
>> (SC) has a personal property tax but it never occured to me that it might
>> cover airplanes. I'll sell the damn thing and switch to an ultralight
>> before I pay them 6% though.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net>
I have flown with them off and also with them open. Didn't notice a difference
between the two. I should mention that these were the bubble doors, not the
stock doors.
Darin
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| Subject: | Re: Flying without doors |
I fly our 6 with doors open occasionally. No extra support is needed but I limit
airspeed to less than 80 kts. I had the left door "flutter" once in a descent
at about 85-90kts. It was a slow cycle not what I would typically think of
as flutter but it went up and down forcefully enough to cause a small crack
in the LP bubble door.
Maxwell S6/TD/IO240
wingnut <wingnut@spamarrest.com> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut"
Did you do something to secure your doors in the up position? I'd like to try it
but my doors are only supported by the lift struts. I was worried that the doors
would bang around.
How about flying without a turtledeck?
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| Subject: | Re: Flying without doors |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" <FLIER@sbcglobal.net>
The doors 'fly' fine when they're open on only the
lift struts.
--- Original Message ---
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Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Flying without doors
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut"
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>Did you do something to secure your doors in the up
position? I'd like to try it but my doors are only
supported by the lift struts. I was worried that the
doors would bang around.
>
>How about flying without a turtledeck?
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| Subject: | Re: Flying without doors |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
On Aug 9, 2006, at 8:36 PM, Lowell Fitt wrote:
> Although I have never flown with the doors removed, I have flown with
> both doors open and mine open as I take photos.
Just like Lowell, I also open a door when I, or my passenger want to
take photos. It may be different from model to model but my Kitfox
model 3 will keep the door open, even if there was no lift struts.
Closing them is not difficult either, it takes a bit of a pull but not
too much. Landing with the doors open doesn't seem to affect the flying
characteristics nor the stall speed, even as the door is pretty close
to the wing.
One thing, though: Try to avoid having loose objects, like maps, etc.
when opening the doors and preferably, don't side slip. Someone on this
list managed to blow off his turtle deck by doing that, if I am not
mistaking.
Also from reading this list and not from own experience, flying without
turtle deck is very much reducing the lift of the plane. Someone else
will certainly explain to you why.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Flying without doors |
Wing nut,
I fly my series 5/7 with doors open. But I do try to limit speed to about
85 mph.
There was a caution on the list a while back to NOT fly without the turtle
deck. I don't have any experience with this, but can believe that is not a
good idea.
Randy
.
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of W Duke
Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 1:03 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Flying without doors
I fly our 6 with doors open occasionally. No extra support is needed but I
limit airspeed to less than 80 kts. I had the left door "flutter" once in a
descent at about 85-90kts. It was a slow cycle not what I would typically
think of as flutter but it went up and down forcefully enough to cause a
small crack in the LP bubble door.
Maxwell S6/TD/IO240
wingnut <wingnut@spamarrest.com> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut"
Did you do something to secure your doors in the up position? I'd like to
try it but my doors are only supported by the lift struts. I was worried
that the doors would bang around.
How about flying without a turtledeck?
Read this topic online
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| Subject: | Re: Flying without doors |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
Cool. This is good news. The heat index in South Carolina has been in the triple
digits for a couple of weeks now. I've often thought about flying with the doors
up but never had the courage to try it. Maybe now I'll give it a try.. Sheesh,
my palms are getting a little sweaty just writing about it...
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| Subject: | Re: Flying without doors |
I actually took the doors off and left them off all summer. I was afraid it would
damage the shocks if I didn't . It appears to decend very rapidly but in NC
it's a blessing with the heat.
Travis
-----Original Message-----
From: wingnut@spamarrest.com
Sent: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 3:54 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Flying without doors
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
Cool. This is good news. The heat index in South Carolina has been in the triple
digits for a couple of weeks now. I've often thought about flying with the doors
up but never had the courage to try it. Maybe now I'll give it a try.. Sheesh,
my palms are getting a little sweaty just writing about it...
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| Subject: | Re: Flying without doors |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
This post brings to mind a flutter I had early this year. I attributed it
to weak gas struts. I ordered new ones and for the one most often open -
mine, I ordered a stronger strut. No problems since.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "W Duke" <n981ms@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Flying without doors
>I fly our 6 with doors open occasionally. No extra support is needed but I
>limit airspeed to less than 80 kts. I had the left door "flutter" once in
>a descent at about 85-90kts. It was a slow cycle not what I would
>typically think of as flutter but it went up and down forcefully enough to
>cause a small crack in the LP bubble door.
>
> Maxwell S6/TD/IO240
>
> wingnut <wingnut@spamarrest.com> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut"
>
> Did you do something to secure your doors in the up position? I'd like to
> try it but my doors are only supported by the lift struts. I was worried
> that the doors would bang around.
>
> How about flying without a turtledeck?
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=53678#53678
>
>
> Maxwell Duke
> S6/IO240/Phase II Flight Testing
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flying without doors |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
I've never actually removed mine either. They fly just fine opened up so I
never felt a need to remove them. So long as the ball is in the center
there's very little wind.
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 2:36 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Flying without doors
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Although I have never flown with the doors removed, I have flown with both
> doors open and mine open as I take photos. I find that with the doors
open,
> the doors give a little bit of lift as the nose will pitch up a bit as the
> door rises.
>
> Others have much more experience with open door flying and I know there
are
> listers that routinely remove their doors for summer flying.
>
> Lowell
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <tc9008@aol.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 10:04 AM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Flying without doors
>
>
> > Has anyone Flown their kitfox without doors?
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flying without doors |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Richard Rabbers" <rira1950@yahoo.com>
No real time KF experience here - just thoughts.
Doors and cabin breeze
- It might be interesting to clamp on some sort of deflect at the front edge of
- like a sun roof on a car.
Turtle Deck
- I'd imagine alot of turbulance as a result of 'no turtle deck' flight. Same wonder
as above - might a deflector help windflow and reduce turbulance.
Lost lift must be a result of turbulant.
--------
Richard in SW Michigan
Model 1 / 618 - full-lotus floats (restoration)
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| Subject: | Re: Flying without doors |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" <FLIER@sbcglobal.net>
There's suction back across the turtledeck from the
lift created by the wings and aft cabin. Coupled
with windblast puts a lot of pressure on the
turtledeck.
--- Original Message ---
From: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Flying without doors
>
>Also from reading this list and not from own
experience, flying without
>turtle deck is very much reducing the lift of the
plane. Someone else
>will certainly explain to you why.
>
>Cheers,
>Michel
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flying without doors |
Does it make any difference if only one door is open?
Fox5flyer <morid@northland.lib.mi.us> wrote: --> Kitfox-List message posted by:
"Fox5flyer"
I've never actually removed mine either. They fly just fine opened up so I
never felt a need to remove them. So long as the ball is in the center
there's very little wind.
Deke
Marco Menezes
Model 2 582 N99KX
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| Subject: | Kitfox Storage pod |
Rex:
Yes please... I'd appreciate them.... Will the pod install while the plane
is on floats?
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rexster
Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 11:13 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Storage pod
Noel,
I have the pod on my model III. It's been on the entire 580 hours and I
like it a lot. If you need pictures, I can get you some.
Rex in Michigan
-- "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca> wrote:
John:
Can you post a picture of a kitfox with the storage pod you manufacture
installed or a picture of the pod alone?
Also will that pod attach to my mod III-A on floats?
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jdmcbean
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 9:45 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Awards
We can make them. and yes they are easy to attach.
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
208.337.5111
www.kitfoxaircraft.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
debrun26@juno.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Awards
Where could I find a storage pod for a KF5 and are they easy to attach?
Layne
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| Subject: | Re: Flying without doors |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Barry West" <barry@pgtc.com>
I fly my model IV often with one door open and it is mostly held open by the
slipstream but occasionally trys to close. With both doors open it is just
too windy. I think the open door slows me a bit but not enough to worry
about. I would not fly it with the trutledeck removed.
Barry West
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 1:36 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Flying without doors
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Although I have never flown with the doors removed, I have flown with both
> doors open and mine open as I take photos. I find that with the doors
> open, the doors give a little bit of lift as the nose will pitch up a bit
> as the door rises.
>
> Others have much more experience with open door flying and I know there
> are listers that routinely remove their doors for summer flying.
>
> Lowell
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <tc9008@aol.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 10:04 AM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Flying without doors
>
>
>> Has anyone Flown their kitfox without doors?
>> ________________________________________________________________________
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flying without doors |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Wilson" <Wilson@REinfo.org>
Bubble Doors? I have been trying to get information on Bubble Doors. What
are they like? Can you send a photo? Did you build them, or did you buy
them? If you bought them, where and how much?
Steve Wilson
----- Original Message -----
From: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net>
Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 1:03 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Flying without doors
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net>
>
> I have flown with them off and also with them open. Didn't notice a
> difference between the two. I should mention that these were the bubble
> doors, not the stock doors.
>
> Darin
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=53691#53691
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flying without doors |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RAY Gignac" <kitfoxpilot@msn.com>
I have the bubble doors on my Model IV, and luv them> you can buy them from
L/P aero plastics.
Ray
>From: "Steve Wilson" <Wilson@REinfo.org>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Flying without doors
>Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 17:15:35 -0600
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Wilson" <Wilson@REinfo.org>
>
>Bubble Doors? I have been trying to get information on Bubble Doors. What
>are they like? Can you send a photo? Did you build them, or did you buy
>them? If you bought them, where and how much?
>Steve Wilson
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 1:03 PM
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Flying without doors
>
>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net>
>>
>>I have flown with them off and also with them open. Didn't notice a
>>difference between the two. I should mention that these were the bubble
>>doors, not the stock doors.
>>
>>Darin
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Read this topic online here:
>>
>>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=53691#53691
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| Subject: | Re: Carburetor Troubles on 912Ul |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jeff puls" <pulsair@mindspring.com>
Grant,
The slipper clutch will help. I have not lost a socket but I am cautious. I
have a rough running engine when I retard the throttle going through about
3400 rpm. Never could get it out. The engine has never so much as hiccupped.
It is great at high rpm. Are you making your brackets out of stainless
steel? Jeff
----- Original Message -----
From: "Grant Fluent" <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 11:48 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Carburetor Troubles on 912Ul
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
>
> Jeff,
> Thanks for your reply. My Classic IV is not flying
> yet but I'm trying to plan ahead. With all of the
> reports of carbs falling off, it will probably happen
> to me too until I get everything fine tuned. What I
> was planning on doing was making a simple bracket for
> each side that would fasten to the clamp at the air
> filters so the carb couldn't wiggle up and down in the
> socket. I agree with you about sticking to original
> designs. I feel that one of the main reasons people
> have trouble losing the carbs is due to the swapped
> manifolds not being a Rotax design. It's really too
> bad that the engine mount requires the manifold
> relocation. I have shortened my engine mount bushings
> to the Skystar recommended length so hopefully that
> should help. Also, the engine is new enough that it
> came from the factory with the slipper clutch.
> Grant Fluent
> Newcastle, NE
> Classic IV 912S
>
>
> --- jeff puls <pulsair@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jeff puls"
>> <pulsair@mindspring.com>
>>
>> Grant,
>> Stick with the orignal design of the Rotax.
>> Something else is going on. Is
>> your prop properly balanced and pitched? Are you
>> using the latest sockets
>> (check the part numbers)? Have you talked to a Rotax
>> tech? Jeff Classic IV
>> 912UL
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Grant Fluent" <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 5:37 PM
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Carburetor Troubles on
>> 912Ul
>>
>>
>> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent
>> <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
>> >
>> > Jimmie,
>> > I posted a question and an idea to the list a
>> while
>> > back concerning the 912 carbs shaking off but got
>> > little feedback. I had the idea of making a pair
>> of
>> > brackets that would bolt to the top of the
>> cylinder
>> > heads on each side that go rearward bending under
>> the
>> > carb bowl and back up to a ring that would support
>> the
>> > back of the carburetor. These brackets would bolt
>> to
>> > the spare threaded hole on the top of each
>> cylinder
>> > head. As far as I can tell, there is nothing that
>> this
>> > threaded hole will be used for on my Classic IV
>> (still
>> > building). For as little weight as they would
>> add, it
>> > would sure give me piece of mind that the carbs
>> aren't
>> > going to fall off after takeoff. I still plan on
>> > using Clint Bazzill's method of startup and
>> shutdown.
>> > Has anyone else thought of doing this or has done
>> > this?
>> > Grant Fluent
>> > Newcastle, NE
>> > Classic IV 912S
>> >
>> >
>> > --- Jimmie Blackwell
>> <jimmieblackwell@sbcglobal.net>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hope to have two top springs plus new rubber
>> flange
>> >> in the mail tomorrow. Sure hope that fixes the
>> >> problem.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks John
>> >>
>> >> Jimmie
>> >>
>> >> John King <kingjohne@adelphia.net> wrote:
>> >> Jimmie,
>> >>
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| Subject: | Carbs falling off 912's |
Hi ! Guys,
just a thought re all this talk of carbs falling of
Rotax 912's. I may not know what I'm talking about here as I fly behind
a 582 but just in case it helps here goes ! The carb socket problem on
the 582 is cracking allowing air leakage not the carbs falling off.
About 12 months ago I purchased two aftermarket carb sockets from some
place called JBM in USA. I am in Australia. Anyway the guy was very nice
and he said he flew an ultralight and ran this business making various
rubber parts for autos. He said the aftermarket carb sockets he was
making to solve his and everyone elses problem were actually made out of
a different material that he did name at the time and they would last
for ten years, possibly for ever.
They look slightly different in material composition and shape. They
are smoother surface and tapered rather than stepped. They hold the
carbs much better. The original Rotax sockets let the carbs sag a bit.
IF this guy makes carb sockets for 912's I would think he might well
have solved your problem. Sorry I don't know how to contact him now [ I
wish I did as I might need him again ] but if someone knows who I'm
talking about and he does make carby sockets for 912's I would think it
worth a try.
His price was also very good. In Australia it still only cost me the
same to get these better sockets as to buy the original Rotax very
inferior product in this instance. I have been using these sockets for
about 12 months now and they are great. The originals last about 2
years.
I see someone mention roughening the carb surface where it goes into
the socket and I can confirm this has solved the same issue in a
different situation for me in the past.
Goodluck,
Rex Shaw.
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| Subject: | Re: Carbs falling off 912's |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Richard Rabbers" <rira1950@yahoo.com>
JBM Industries, Kent, OHIO
330-678-9537
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=53789#53789
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| Subject: | Re: Flying without doors |
many very fun and exciting hours flying with them open and or off the
plane .A lot of times I will take off then after climb out open doors
and let them fly in the breeze then before landing shut them . I have
also landed with them open I do not have the gas struts on them so
therefor they start to shut when slowing down in the rollout .
Fly safe fly low fly slow
John Perry
Kitfox 2 N718PD
582 c box /GSC 3 blade
DO NOT ARCHIVE
----- Original Message -----
From: tc9008@aol.com
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 12:04 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Flying without doors
Has anyone Flown their kitfox without doors?
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| Subject: | Re: Flying without doors |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Cudnohufsky's" <7suds@chartermi.net>
My experience flying with doors open in a Kitfox 4, my 10 year old son and I
did a short x-country a few years back. We stopped for lunch in Wisconsin,
landing was front left quartering x-wind 18 gusting to 22. I told my son to
eat light because it was going to be a bumpy ride home, just in case right
before we left I told him if he felt sick to pop the door open and let it
fly. About 1/2 way home at 4K feet and cruising 70, with no warning he
slipped his mic up on his headset, popped open the door and commenced to
hang out on the ends of the shoulder harnesses and let it fly. He then
gently rolled back in, slid his mic down and asked if I could get the door
for him, I did so (Had pull straps mounted on the center bar of the door).
We got home and his mom asked how the trip was, he said OK. The next day we
had some cleanup to do on the tail of the plane. Flying with doors open and
opening and closing in flight was no problem at the speeds my plane was
capable of. My door latches were twist latches at the bottom of the doors
so I made an extension that would allow me to either latch the door
completely closed or latch about 1/2" open, made for a nice breeze not to
much.
Lloyd
----- Original Message -----
From: "RAY Gignac" <kitfoxpilot@msn.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 6:42 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Flying without doors
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RAY Gignac" <kitfoxpilot@msn.com>
>
> I have the bubble doors on my Model IV, and luv them> you can buy them
> from L/P aero plastics.
>
> Ray
>
>
>>From: "Steve Wilson" <Wilson@REinfo.org>
>>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Flying without doors
>>Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 17:15:35 -0600
>>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Wilson" <Wilson@REinfo.org>
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>>Bubble Doors? I have been trying to get information on Bubble Doors.
>>What are they like? Can you send a photo? Did you build them, or did you
>>buy them? If you bought them, where and how much?
>>Steve Wilson
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net>
>>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 1:03 PM
>>Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Flying without doors
>>
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>>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net>
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>>>I have flown with them off and also with them open. Didn't notice a
>>>difference between the two. I should mention that these were the bubble
>>>doors, not the stock doors.
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>>>Darin
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| Subject: | Re: Flying without doors |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net>
Steve,
The bubble doors are the only way to go on a Fox! They add about 3" of shoulder
room on each side and they give incredible visibility. You can get them from
John McBean at kitfoxaircraft.com or direct from lpaero.com. The shipping is
not cheap (neither are the doors) so be prepared. I just ordered a pair for
my Series 7 and the doors were $217 each and shipping was $87! They are worth
it in my mind. Below is a picture of my model III (not mine anymore...sold
it).
Darin
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| Subject: | Re: Flying without doors |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Just some theoritical thoughts on - no turtledeck:
You stand the chance of turning the tail of your plane
into a big windsock, depending on the security of your
cargo compartment.
You can add a lot of turbulence to the tail and reduce
controlability.
You would probably lose 10-15% of your lift.
That would draw a lot of air thru the cockpit and put
more pressure on the windscreen. It could be very
windy inside.
Don't think you would like it on purpose, but you
could get home if it happened by mistake, long as it
didn't jamb in the tail somewhere.
Kurt S.
--- Randy Daughenbaugh <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com> wrote:
> Wing nut,
>
> I fly my series 5/7 with doors open. But I do try
> to limit speed to about 85 mph.
>
> There was a caution on the list a while back to NOT
> fly without the turtle
> deck. I don't have any experience with this, but
> can believe that is not a good idea.
>
> Randy
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| Subject: | Re: Flying without doors |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
And then Lloyd said:
> ..."so I made an extension that would allow me to
either latch the door completely closed or latch about
1/2" open, made for a nice breeze not to much."
> Lloyd
It crossed my mind that you could add a snap strap, or
velcro strap to the bottom of the door and let it open
only a few inches in flight, if you want. Whatever
amount necessary for a nice breeze without it having
to be all or nothing.
Attach the strap to the door and the loose end to
another spot up the door frame when not in use. Add a
fastener to the front, bottom door sill or some other
convienent place and attach the end of the strap there
before you unlatch the door in flight. Let the strut
hold it out against the strap.
Now you've got big controllable vents without much
weight or hardware! No broken door glass from cracked
vent holes either.
Thanks Lloyd :-)
Kurt S.
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