Today's Message Index:
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1. 12:22 AM - Doors (Tom Hanks)
2. 05:46 AM - Re: Re: Flying without doors (W Duke)
3. 07:12 AM - Re: Re: Flying without doors (Paul Seehafer)
4. 08:29 AM - Re: Re: Flying without doors (Paul Seehafer)
5. 08:43 AM - (Michael Stanard)
6. 08:54 AM - Re: Re: Flying without doors (Dave G.)
7. 09:27 AM - Re: (Stan Bearup)
8. 09:45 AM - Re: Re: Flying without doors (Steve Wilson)
9. 10:11 AM - Re: Flying without doors (darinh)
10. 10:33 AM - Re: Re: Flying without doors (jdmcbean)
11. 10:38 AM - Re: Re: Flying without doors (AMuller589@aol.com)
12. 10:53 AM - New Member (Algate)
13. 11:08 AM - Re: Motorcycle grip Throttle (Richard Rabbers)
14. 11:28 AM - Re: Re: Flying without doors (Michel Verheughe)
15. 11:44 AM - Jabiru 2200 (Algate)
16. 01:19 PM - Re: Jabiru 2200 (Michel Verheughe)
17. 01:31 PM - Re: Jabiru 2200 (Algate)
18. 01:52 PM - Re: Re: Motorcycle grip Throttle (Kenneth and Alice Jones)
19. 04:53 PM - Re: Re: Flying without doors (Noel Loveys)
20. 05:33 PM - Want to buy a KitFox! (David C. Watterson)
21. 05:33 PM - Fuel Smell Revisited (Lowell Fitt)
22. 05:46 PM - Re: Re: Flying without doors (Noel Loveys)
23. 05:51 PM - Re: Want to buy a KitFox! (kenneth schooley)
24. 06:13 PM - Re: Re: Flying without doors (Noel Loveys)
25. 06:21 PM - Re: Re: Slips and all the rest. (Dave)
26. 06:30 PM - Re: Fuel Smell Revisited (jeff puls)
27. 06:35 PM - Re: Re: Flying without doors (Dave)
28. 08:28 PM - Re: NOTE: Attached file size (Lynn Matteson)
29. 08:51 PM - Re: New Member (Lynn Matteson)
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Tom Hanks" <tomahanks@hotmail.com>
I Have a model 1 and fly more with doors off than on if it's warm enough .
Love it like a jeep in the summer with the top off, my opinion Tom Hanks
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| Subject: | Re: Flying without doors |
A couple of other things I just thought of and have not seen mentioned:
1. Opening and closing in flight has been no problem for me. Just open and
close normally. Feels a little different but works just the same. No side slips
or skids requierd to open or close.
2. If you land on a wet surface the stuff that normally spins off the tire onto
the wing will be on the inside of your door.
3. I have slipped to a landing with both doors open. Probably will not again
after hearing the suggestion about the turtle deck blow out. Certainly will
not slip an open door into the wind with the opposite door closed.
Maxwell S6/TD/IO240
Lowell Fitt <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt"
This post brings to mind a flutter I had early this year. I attributed it
to weak gas struts. I ordered new ones and for the one most often open -
mine, I ordered a stronger strut. No problems since.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "W Duke"
Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Flying without doors
>I fly our 6 with doors open occasionally. No extra support is needed but I
>limit airspeed to less than 80 kts. I had the left door "flutter" once in
>a descent at about 85-90kts. It was a slow cycle not what I would
>typically think of as flutter but it went up and down forcefully enough to
>cause a small crack in the LP bubble door.
>
> Maxwell S6/TD/IO240
>
> wingnut wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut"
>
> Did you do something to secure your doors in the up position? I'd like to
> try it but my doors are only supported by the lift struts. I was worried
> that the doors would bang around.
>
> How about flying without a turtledeck?
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=53678#53678
>
>
> Maxwell Duke
> S6/IO240/Phase II Flight Testing
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| Subject: | Re: Flying without doors |
Regarding removing the turtledeck;
I would NEVER fly a Kitfox (or Avid) with the turtledeck removed. By
removing it you have just eliminated the top half of the bearing
surfaces that hold your flaperon in place. That means your flaperon is
now going to be able to move up and down in flight. That is really bad
because it could create flutter in the flaperon itself. And if that
happens with enough speed you could also cause wing damage. In a worse
case scenario wing separation...(yikes!) I don't know about you, but I
don't need that much fresh air...
Regarding doors open in flight;
My float equipped Model IV with LP Aero bubble doors does not act like
my old Avid Flyers or older Kitfoxes with the undercambered airfoil and
the less bubbled doors do. The early airplanes flew just fine with the
doors open or closed, or removed completely. In summer I rarely flew
with doors closed. My Kitfox IV on the other hand needs to be slowed
down to 80 mph or less in order to open the doors without them slamming
up against the bottom of the wing (causing not only potential door glass
damage, strut damage, and door frame twisting, but also the glass
rubbing against the bottom of the wing fabric effectively scuffs [sands]
the door glass). So I do not fly with the doors open on my Kitfox at
this time. To correct this concern I am going to make a bracket that is
held in place by the wing tank fuel drain fitting, that will let the
door rest against it (probably will have a rubber pad where it touches
the glass) when the door is completely open. Maybe it's just my Kitfox,
but I thought I would share this with the group should someone else
experience the same problem.
If my attachments go through (?), here are two photos that show how the
bubble doors fit when full open against the bottomside of the laminar
flow Riblett wing. The bubbles definitely limit your ability to get
them up against the wing bottom.
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| Subject: | Re: Flying without doors |
On the subject of fresh air;
The NACA scoops on the side of my cowl (see pics in previous post)
really provide a lot of fresh air. So much in fact they will blow
papers around in the cockpit if not stowed. And I don't mean a little,
but a lot! A couple of days ago I had to retrieve a map from the back
turtledeck area that was blown back there after I set it down on the
passenger seat while flying. Even in the 97 degree 97% humidity weather
we endured here in Wisconsin this summer, I was generally able to stay
cool. (yes, I just had to go flying when it was that hot. I wanted to
see how well my fox would perform off the asphalt, as well as the water
under those conditions. I was pleasantly surprised...)
Opening the doors a half inch or so does seem to be an easy way to get a
lot of fresh air, but overall I've found the NACA scoops to be equally
effective. Not only do they give you a lot of air, but they blow it
right on you. So if you are still building, or are considering
modification, I highly recommend putting them in.
On a last note; A friend of mine with a model III Kitfox installed the
rotating scoops that fit in the lexan. But he installed his on top of
the cabin (right in the windshield lexan) right above the front carry
through tube. Being they pointed directly into the slipstream, they
worked well also. And if he didn't want them he just turned them
backwards, or pulled them in altogether, closing them off. Just another
idea. Would be an easy modification to any existing airplane.
Paul Seehafer
Model IV 912ul on Aerocet Amphibs
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HELP,
I am looking for a 5, 6, or 7 already built to buy.
Thanks,
mas
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| Subject: | Re: Flying without doors |
HI Paul. My IV has no static air system and I wonder about the high
volume of air through the NACA vents affecting the instruments. Any
experience?
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Seehafer
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 12:28 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Flying without doors
On the subject of fresh air;
The NACA scoops on the side of my cowl (see pics in previous post)
really provide a lot of fresh air. So much in fact they will blow
papers around in the cockpit if not stowed. And I don't mean a little,
but a lot! A couple of days ago I had to retrieve a map from the back
turtledeck area that was blown back there after I set it down on the
passenger seat while flying. Even in the 97 degree 97% humidity weather
we endured here in Wisconsin this summer, I was generally able to stay
cool. (yes, I just had to go flying when it was that hot. I wanted to
see how well my fox would perform off the asphalt, as well as the water
under those conditions. I was pleasantly surprised...)
Opening the doors a half inch or so does seem to be an easy way to get
a lot of fresh air, but overall I've found the NACA scoops to be equally
effective. Not only do they give you a lot of air, but they blow it
right on you. So if you are still building, or are considering
modification, I highly recommend putting them in.
On a last note; A friend of mine with a model III Kitfox installed
the rotating scoops that fit in the lexan. But he installed his on top
of the cabin (right in the windshield lexan) right above the front carry
through tube. Being they pointed directly into the slipstream, they
worked well also. And if he didn't want them he just turned them
backwards, or pulled them in altogether, closing them off. Just another
idea. Would be an easy modification to any existing airplane.
Paul Seehafer
Model IV 912ul on Aerocet Amphibs
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----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Stanard
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 9:42 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List:
HELP,
I am looking for a 5, 6, or 7 already built to buy.
Thanks,
mas
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| Subject: | Re: Flying without doors |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Wilson" <Wilson@REinfo.org>
Any contact info for L/P areo plastics?
Steve Wilson
----- Original Message -----
From: "RAY Gignac" <kitfoxpilot@msn.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Flying without doors
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RAY Gignac" <kitfoxpilot@msn.com>
>
> I have the bubble doors on my Model IV, and luv them> you can buy them
> from L/P aero plastics.
>
> Ray
>
>
>>From: "Steve Wilson" <Wilson@REinfo.org>
>>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Flying without doors
>>Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 17:15:35 -0600
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>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Wilson" <Wilson@REinfo.org>
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>>Bubble Doors? I have been trying to get information on Bubble Doors.
>>What are they like? Can you send a photo? Did you build them, or did you
>>buy them? If you bought them, where and how much?
>>Steve Wilson
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>>----- Original Message ----- From: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net>
>>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 1:03 PM
>>Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Flying without doors
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>>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net>
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>>>I have flown with them off and also with them open. Didn't notice a
>>>difference between the two. I should mention that these were the bubble
>>>doors, not the stock doors.
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>>>Darin
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>>>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=53691#53691
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| Subject: | Re: Flying without doors |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net>
www.lpaero.com
Click on the "Contact us" link and scroll down to the bottom. They have their
phone numbers listed in the address in the middle of the page.
Darin
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=53894#53894
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| Subject: | Re: Flying without doors |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Actually you can get them from us.... Model IV Clear are $217 ea. plus
shipping....
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
www.kitfoxaircraft.com
"It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Steve Wilson
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Flying without doors
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Wilson" <Wilson@REinfo.org>
Any contact info for L/P areo plastics?
Steve Wilson
----- Original Message -----
From: "RAY Gignac" <kitfoxpilot@msn.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Flying without doors
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RAY Gignac" <kitfoxpilot@msn.com>
>
> I have the bubble doors on my Model IV, and luv them> you can buy them
> from L/P aero plastics.
>
> Ray
>
>
>>From: "Steve Wilson" <Wilson@REinfo.org>
>>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Flying without doors
>>Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 17:15:35 -0600
>>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Wilson" <Wilson@REinfo.org>
>>
>>Bubble Doors? I have been trying to get information on Bubble Doors.
>>What are they like? Can you send a photo? Did you build them, or did you
>>buy them? If you bought them, where and how much?
>>Steve Wilson
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net>
>>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 1:03 PM
>>Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Flying without doors
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>>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net>
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>>>I have flown with them off and also with them open. Didn't notice a
>>>difference between the two. I should mention that these were the bubble
>>>doors, not the stock doors.
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>>>Darin
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>>>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=53691#53691
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| Subject: | Re: Flying without doors |
I find that just the rotating vent on the lower part of the clear windo is
sufficient in Houston, year round. Cheap simple reliable and water/rain proof.
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I recently sold C-GVW to a gentleman in Westport, Ontario (near Ottawa) and
he will soon be added to the list. I was under the impression that I might
be returning to Australia in the very bear future which prompted the sale
but as always in business things change and it now appears that I will be
remaining in Canada for at least a couple of years.
I couldn't go long without a Kitfox so I managed to purchase another one
from Cornwall, Ontario. My new plane is a Model 4 with Jabiru 2200 and I am
now going through the motions of personalizing it.
This email is to basically introduce the new owner of C-IGVW (George Briggs)
to the list .
Best regards
Gary Algate
FAJW
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| Subject: | Re: Motorcycle grip Throttle |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Richard Rabbers" <rira1950@yahoo.com>
Ken,
August 06 'Sport Aviation' - page 17 Note on - "Disabled Pilot Options.... " offered
for those unable to operate rudder peddles.
Sounds like it's worth a look.
www.SkyArrowUSA.com
or
www.HansenAirGroup.com
--------
Richard in SW Michigan
Model 1 / 618 - full-lotus floats (restoration)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=53906#53906
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| Subject: | Re: Flying without doors |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
On Aug 10, 2006, at 5:53 PM, Dave G. wrote:
> HI Paul. My IV has no static air system and I wonder about the high
> volume of air through the NACA vents affecting the instruments. Any
> experience?
Here is something very strange, Dave. My Kitfox 3 had also the NACA
vents and no static port. I didn't notice a difference with the vents
open. But one and half year ago, I installed a Jabiru (had a 582
before) and because of the Jabiru need for proper air cooling under the
cowling, and my extensive modification of the cowling, when I tested
the engine, I noticed a strong depression in the cockpit as, on the
ground, after setting the altimeter to QNH, I was ... above the
airfield. So I installed a static port going all the way back to the
tail and it is fine now. But I don't understand why the low pressure
since my firewall should be airtight.
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
Michel
I changed the jets in my carburetor and my EGT's and CHT are now within
spec. Just a question though? What is your fuel consumption at cruise (2700
rpm). With the new jets I cruise at about 90mph at 2700rpm and burn 14
Ltr/hr. I'm sure I could do better with the smaller jets but now my EGT's
are below 1375 and the spark plugs are coloured a nice and safe tan. I've
also fitted a fuel flow meter and low fuel warning system that works great.
Best regards,
Gary
Model-4/Jab2200
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
On Aug 10, 2006, at 8:48 PM, Algate wrote:
> What is your fuel consumption at cruise (2700
> rpm).
I don't have a fuel flow meter, Gary, so it's difficult to evaluate
fuel consumption but last year, when I flew to Belgium and back, I kept
a fuel logbook and I got the same as you, 14 liters per hour. So I
think you've got it right.
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
Thanks Michel
>>>>>Gary
I don't have a fuel flow meter, Gary, so it's difficult to evaluate
fuel consumption but last year, when I flew to Belgium and back, I kept
a fuel logbook and I got the same as you, 14 liters per hour. So I
think you've got it right.
Cheers,
Michel<<<<<<
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| Subject: | Re: Motorcycle grip Throttle |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kenneth and Alice Jones" <kmamjones@comcast.net>
Richard:
Thanks for the posting. I talked to the Hansen Air Group today. The
gentleman I spoke with told me that for liability reasons they do not sell
their disabled pilot kit for use on aircraft other than the Sky Arrow.
Never-the-less the general idea of a throttle on the hand rudder control
looks promising, and perhaps a better alternative than a throttle on the
stick. I will look into doing something like it with the help of some EAA
friends and motorcycle experts. It shouldn't be too hard. I had a hand
rudder control on my RV-4, so I already have that experience. I already
planned for, and must have, a similar control on my Kitfox S7. So adding a
twist grip throttle may not be that difficult. This still leaves the problem
of running two separate throttle cables to two carbs so I can also have a
standard centered push-pull throttle for others (like my grandsons) who
might fly the plane the normal way.
I must say my question to the "List" has resulted in some very
interesting and I think doable suggestions.
Thanks again
Ken Jones
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Rabbers" <rira1950@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 2:07 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Motorcycle grip Throttle
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Richard Rabbers" <rira1950@yahoo.com>
>
> Ken,
>
> August 06 'Sport Aviation' - page 17 Note on - "Disabled Pilot Options....
> " offered for those unable to operate rudder peddles.
>
> Sounds like it's worth a look.
>
> www.SkyArrowUSA.com
> or
> www.HansenAirGroup.com
>
> --------
> Richard in SW Michigan
> Model 1 / 618 - full-lotus floats (restoration)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=53906#53906
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flying without doors |
Fly floats... that will keep the dirt off the underside of the wings ;-)
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of W Duke
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Flying without doors
A couple of other things I just thought of and have not seen mentioned:
1. Opening and closing in flight has been no problem for me. Just open
and
close normally. Feels a little different but works just the same. No
side
slips or skids requierd to open or close.
2. If you land on a wet surface the stuff that normally spins off the
tire
onto the wing will be on the inside of your door.
3. I have slipped to a landing with both doors open. Probably will not
again after hearing the suggestion about the turtle deck blow out.
Certainly will not slip an open door into the wind with the opposite
door
closed.
Maxwell S6/TD/IO240
Lowell Fitt <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt"
This post brings to mind a flutter I had early this year. I attributed
it
to weak gas struts. I ordered new ones and for the one most often open -
mine, I ordered a stronger strut. No problems since.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "W Duke"
Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Flying without doors
>I fly our 6 with doors open occasionally. No extra support is needed
but I
>limit airspeed to less than 80 kts. I had the left door "flutter" once
in
>a descent at about 85-90kts. It was a slow cycle not what I would
>typically think of as flutter but it went up and down forcefully enough
to
>cause a small crack in the LP bubble door.
>
> Maxwell S6/TD/IO240
>
> wingnut wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by:
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| Subject: | Want to buy a KitFox! |
I am a serious buyer looking to buy a Series 5, 6 or 7 flying KitFox. Please
send me any and all info available.
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| Subject: | Fuel Smell Revisited |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
This topic was discussed recently, and thought I would follow up with this
account. I resloshed my right wing tank a couple of years ago and was
getting occasional cockpit fuel odors from time to time. And odors in the
hangar on hot days that I attributed to venting of the tanks due to
expansion. All of the previous scenarios was considered until I was flying
back from Quincy after delivering a friend to pick up his freshly annualed
Stearman.
Almost home I began getting a distinct fuel odor in flight. This was
something new. On getting home, I decided to go forward of the firewall for
the source of the smell and discovered a cut fuel line at the banjo bolt on
the right carburetor. It was wet to the touch, but thankfully not dripping.
Apparently when I changed out the Mil 6000 to the auto hose, several years
ago, I created a tight enough bend at the banjo fitting as it passed the
engine mount tube that over time the fitting began cutting the fuel hose
internally until it finally cut through.
I am now wondering if the hangar fumes and the occasional inflight odors -
usually when reducing power in the pattern were from an incipient seep in
the fuel line rather than an obstinate tank leak, as now the hangar smells
so much better and nothing in flight.
Lowell
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| Subject: | Re: Flying without doors |
Paul:
That's a very nice plane you have there. I was wondering about your
prop.
It looks like an Ivo. Is it in-flight adjustable?
I have the Aerocet straight floats on my 582 B box powered mod III-A.
They
are a hard act to follow on the water. I haven't tried the Full Lotus
floats yet but I can't see how they would handle better on the water
than
the Areocets. I would love to have the amphibs. If you ever decide to
sell
those floats keep me in mind.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul
Seehafer
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 12:58 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Flying without doors
On the subject of fresh air;
The NACA scoops on the side of my cowl (see pics in previous post)
really
provide a lot of fresh air. So much in fact they will blow papers
around in
the cockpit if not stowed. And I don't mean a little, but a lot! A
couple
of days ago I had to retrieve a map from the back turtledeck area that
was
blown back there after I set it down on the passenger seat while flying.
Even in the 97 degree 97% humidity weather we endured here in Wisconsin
this
summer, I was generally able to stay cool. (yes, I just had to go flying
when it was that hot. I wanted to see how well my fox would perform off
the
asphalt, as well as the water under those conditions. I was pleasantly
surprised...)
Opening the doors a half inch or so does seem to be an easy way to get a
lot
of fresh air, but overall I've found the NACA scoops to be equally
effective. Not only do they give you a lot of air, but they blow it
right
on you. So if you are still building, or are considering modification,
I
highly recommend putting them in.
On a last note; A friend of mine with a model III Kitfox installed the
rotating scoops that fit in the lexan. But he installed his on top of
the
cabin (right in the windshield lexan) right above the front carry
through
tube. Being they pointed directly into the slipstream, they worked well
also. And if he didn't want them he just turned them backwards, or
pulled
them in altogether, closing them off. Just another idea. Would be an
easy
modification to any existing airplane.
Paul Seehafer
Model IV 912ul on Aerocet Amphibs
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| Subject: | Want to buy a KitFox! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kenneth schooley" <klschooley@hotmail.com>
I have a Kitfox 7-A kit for sale. It is complete firewall aft with adj.
ruder pedals, the fairing kit quick-build wings. It is ready for cover. It
cost about $25,000. I have been asking $19,500 or best offer.
Also have Lyc. engine available. Thanks Ken
Schooley
>From: "David C. Watterson" <dcw@dddirectories.com>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Want to buy a KitFox!
>Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 19:31:26 -0500
>
>I am a serious buyer looking to buy a Series 5, 6 or 7 flying KitFox.
>Please
>send me any and all info available.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flying without doors |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
John: do you have them for the model III?
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jdmcbean
> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 3:03 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Flying without doors
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
>
> Actually you can get them from us.... Model IV Clear are $217 ea. plus
> shipping....
>
> Fly Safe !!
> John & Debra McBean
> www.kitfoxaircraft.com
> "It's not how Fast... It's how Fun!"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> Steve Wilson
> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 10:35 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Flying without doors
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Wilson" <Wilson@REinfo.org>
>
> Any contact info for L/P areo plastics?
> Steve Wilson
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "RAY Gignac" <kitfoxpilot@msn.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 5:42 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Flying without doors
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RAY Gignac"
> <kitfoxpilot@msn.com>
> >
> > I have the bubble doors on my Model IV, and luv them> you
> can buy them
> > from L/P aero plastics.
> >
> > Ray
> >
> >
> >>From: "Steve Wilson" <Wilson@REinfo.org>
> >>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> >>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Flying without doors
> >>Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 17:15:35 -0600
> >>
> >>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Wilson"
> <Wilson@REinfo.org>
> >>
> >>Bubble Doors? I have been trying to get information on
> Bubble Doors.
> >>What are they like? Can you send a photo? Did you build
> them, or did you
> >>buy them? If you bought them, where and how much?
> >>Steve Wilson
> >>
> >>----- Original Message ----- From: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net>
> >>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> >>Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 1:03 PM
> >>Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Flying without doors
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> >>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net>
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> >>>I have flown with them off and also with them open.
> Didn't notice a
> >>>difference between the two. I should mention that these
> were the bubble
> >>>doors, not the stock doors.
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| Subject: | Re: Slips and all the rest. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Hi Mike,
That was me that brought up that fact about base to final issues. I saw your
other post with the video link- EXCELLENT FIND !!
Now that everyone can see what can happen very clearly in that video and how
many feet did he lose ? I think he said 700 and that leaves little room
for error. http://www.apstraining.com/clips/skidded_turn_high.wmv
Sorry I was late in responding but it took a day to sift through all my
emails after a week away.
Now for some videos to help each other on other issues.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 1:53 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Slips and all the rest.
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com>
>
> If I do remember right there was one post that one reported about worrying
> about going inverted on base to final, being brought out by using rudder
> to sharpen the turn, this video demonstrates what happens when you do
> that.
>
> --------
> kitfoxmike
> kitfox4 1200 912ul speedster
> http://www.frappr.com/kitfoxmike
> rv7 wingkit
> reserved 287RV
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=52330#52330
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Smell Revisited |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jeff puls" <pulsair@mindspring.com>
Lowell,
Very good information. That will become a part of my preflight. I sometimes
get fumes in the cockpit during a steep climb. When I level off it goes
away. I leave my cockpit door open in the hangar because I smell fumes in
the cockpit. I can't find a leak. I assumed that it may be coming from the
carbs. I don't know. Thanks for the insight. Jeff Classic IV
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 8:31 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Fuel Smell Revisited
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>
> This topic was discussed recently, and thought I would follow up with this
> account. I resloshed my right wing tank a couple of years ago and was
> getting occasional cockpit fuel odors from time to time. And odors in the
> hangar on hot days that I attributed to venting of the tanks due to
> expansion. All of the previous scenarios was considered until I was
> flying back from Quincy after delivering a friend to pick up his freshly
> annualed Stearman.
>
> Almost home I began getting a distinct fuel odor in flight. This was
> something new. On getting home, I decided to go forward of the firewall
> for the source of the smell and discovered a cut fuel line at the banjo
> bolt on the right carburetor. It was wet to the touch, but thankfully not
> dripping. Apparently when I changed out the Mil 6000 to the auto hose,
> several years ago, I created a tight enough bend at the banjo fitting as
> it passed the engine mount tube that over time the fitting began cutting
> the fuel hose internally until it finally cut through.
>
> I am now wondering if the hangar fumes and the occasional inflight odors -
> usually when reducing power in the pattern were from an incipient seep in
> the fuel line rather than an obstinate tank leak, as now the hangar smells
> so much better and nothing in flight.
>
> Lowell
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flying without doors |
Paul,
I fly with left door open lots and here is what i find ( also for the
record I have the bowed doors with lexan but no bubble windows)
I lose a few mph in cruise and I say alot cooler on hot days.
My ASI reads lower that with door shut as I have no external static
port.
My Left door at times opens on take off and in flight but really no big
deal - ( if you have not experienced this, than you should as if is the
cause of a quite a few accidents yearly. )
I will slip with out issues with door open or shut although the door
does come unlatched at times from the fully open position and will hang
in wind and even close at times. I do not have gas struts.
I would like to add a few points on turtle decks that I have seen. And
none have blown off but I think it would be possible. On some after
market turtledecks that I have seen they have lacked an upper and
lower bearing support for the flapperon horn (I hope this is the right
word) I wold think that this bearing is very critical in ensuring that
the horn is supported. With out that support could the flapperon horn
come lose from the flapperon? If so a flutter " could result" and
could cause alot of control issues as well as wing failure.
Dave
KF IV
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Seehafer
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Flying without doors
Regarding removing the turtledeck;
I would NEVER fly a Kitfox (or Avid) with the turtledeck removed. By
removing it you have just eliminated the top half of the bearing
surfaces that hold your flaperon in place. That means your flaperon is
now going to be able to move up and down in flight. That is really bad
because it could create flutter in the flaperon itself. And if that
happens with enough speed you could also cause wing damage. In a worse
case scenario wing separation...(yikes!) I don't know about you, but I
don't need that much fresh air...
Regarding doors open in flight;
My float equipped Model IV with LP Aero bubble doors does not act like
my old Avid Flyers or older Kitfoxes with the undercambered airfoil and
the less bubbled doors do. The early airplanes flew just fine with the
doors open or closed, or removed completely. In summer I rarely flew
with doors closed. My Kitfox IV on the other hand needs to be slowed
down to 80 mph or less in order to open the doors without them slamming
up against the bottom of the wing (causing not only potential door glass
damage, strut damage, and door frame twisting, but also the glass
rubbing against the bottom of the wing fabric effectively scuffs [sands]
the door glass). So I do not fly with the doors open on my Kitfox at
this time. To correct this concern I am going to make a bracket that is
held in place by the wing tank fuel drain fitting, that will let the
door rest against it (probably will have a rubber pad where it touches
the glass) when the door is completely open. Maybe it's just my Kitfox,
but I thought I would share this with the group should someone else
experience the same problem.
If my attachments go through (?), here are two photos that show how
the bubble doors fit when full open against the bottomside of the
laminar flow Riblett wing. The bubbles definitely limit your ability to
get them up against the wing bottom.
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| Subject: | Re: NOTE: Attached file size |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
My mail got hung up on something entitled "eff-16 crash video",
(misspelled here so as to not confuse my mail reader), and I finally
had to tell my mail preferences to eliminate anything with that in the
title. My mail prefs won't allow me to set a size for incoming mail, I
guess. It's a real pain in the rear to sit here with a modem and watch
something download for 20 minutes or longer when it isn't something
that I might be interested in in the first place.
Lynn
do not archive
On Sunday, August 6, 2006, at 02:36 AM, Michel Verheughe wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
> On Aug 6, 2006, at 5:21 AM, Jay Carter wrote:
>> Forty minutes to download the two messages with attachments.
>
> Yes. While I have DSL and it goes pretty quick, on behalf of the
> "poor" modem users, I would like to ask everyone to check the size of
> any attachment to the list. If it is more than say, 200 Kb, please
> consider finding ways to reduce it or, even better, try to put it on a
> server and publish only the link of it.
> If you need help to reduce graphic files, you are welcomed to first
> write to me privately and I will help you.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
> do not archive
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List
> http://wiki.matronics.com
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Welcome to the wonderful world of Jabiru power, Gary. What serial # is
your engine? I hope you got the later one with the larger heads, and
more cooling area like mine (ser. # 2062). I've got over a hundred
hours on mine and I love it. I may regret saying it, but one nice thing
about having Jab power is that I can skip by all the mail that relates
to Rotax and their problems, and concentrate on reading about how
Kitfoxes fly! And yes, I had a few minor problems at first with the
Jab, but solved them early on.
Lynn
Kitfox IV...Jabiru 2200
p.s. really guys and gals, I did not say that to start a war! : )
On Thursday, August 10, 2006, at 01:55 PM, Algate wrote:
> I recently sold C-GVW to a gentleman in Westport, Ontario (near
> Ottawa) and he will soon be added to the list. I was under the
> impression that I might be returning to Australia in the very bear
> future which prompted the sale but as always in business things change
> and it now appears that I will be remaining in Canada for at least a
> couple of years.
>
>
>
> I couldnt go long without a Kitfox so I managed to purchase another
> one from Cornwall, Ontario. My new plane is a Model 4 with Jabiru 2200
> and I am now going through the motions of personalizing it.
>
>
>
> This email is to basically introduce the new owner of C-IGVW (George
> Briggs) to the list .
>
>
>
> Best regards
>
>
>
> Gary Algate
>
> FAJW
>
>
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