Today's Message Index:
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1. 12:35 AM - Re: Door Struts (Michel Verheughe)
2. 01:22 AM - Engine quitting (QSS)
3. 04:50 AM - Re: Engine quitting (Michael Logan)
4. 05:22 AM - Re: Engine quitting (Noel Loveys)
5. 05:23 AM - Re: small file Blank series V weight and balance (Bradley M Webb)
6. 05:29 AM - Re: Door Struts (Noel Loveys)
7. 06:06 AM - Re: Engine quitting (Fox5flyer)
8. 07:52 AM - Re: Door Struts (Dave)
9. 08:34 AM - Re: Engine quitting (kurt schrader)
10. 10:24 AM - Re: small file Blank series V weight and balance (Randy Daughenbaugh)
11. 10:50 AM - Re: Flying without doors (Michael Gibbs)
12. 10:50 AM - Re: Door Struts (Michael Gibbs)
13. 03:48 PM - Re: Re: Flying without doors (John Anderson)
14. 04:19 PM - Re: Re: Flying without doors (John Anderson)
15. 04:30 PM - Re: small file Blank series V weight and balance (John Anderson)
16. 04:42 PM - Re: small file Blank series V weight and balance (John Anderson)
17. 06:42 PM - Re: Engine quitting (wingsdown)
18. 09:47 PM - Re: Door Struts (kurt schrader)
19. 09:51 PM - Re: small file Blank series V weight and balance (kurt schrader)
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
On Aug 12, 2006, at 4:10 AM, Glenn Horne wrote:
> If you can't get one in the near feature,maybe we can
> work out something to get one to you.
Thank you very much, Glenn, but Lowell has sent me, privately, the
manufacturer of the original struts and it is http://www.suspa-inc.com/
Incidentally, I'll be touring in the US in September and Lowell has
even kindly invited me at his home in Northern California, something I
really look forward to.
I am not in a hurry to replace my door strut, I have only the left one
that is getting worn, lifting the door about half way, only. Of course,
it is the most used door, it makes sense. The original struts are from
1992 and since then, the plane has been flying about 500 times (not all
by me) so it can be considered as normal wear.
Cheers,
Michel
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Hi Guys, I am having problems with the idle on my subaru and have twice
now had to do a dead stick landing when pulling power on final. Has
anyone with an Ellison TBI had a similar experience. Im running on
1200-1400 at idle and when on the ground and warming the engine up it
runs fine but after flying for an hour or so she begins running rough at
low revs and will quit on me if im not careful when I pull power.
Regards
Graeme
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Graeme,
Are the plugs on both sides evenly colored? I had the same problem and the
only thing I could find was that one side of the engine ran leaner than the
other side. I never could figure out what the problem was but I was
meticulous about keeping my fuel system clean and the problem was minimized.
I never trusted the engine so I have very few hours on the plane and am in
the process of putting multipoint fuel injection on the engine.
Mike Logan
Series 5
NSI SHO
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of QSS
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 4:20 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Engine quitting
Hi Guys, I am having problems with the idle on my subaru and have twice now
had to do a dead stick landing when pulling power on final. Has anyone with
an Ellison TBI had a similar experience. Im running on 1200-1400 at idle and
when on the ground and warming the engine up it runs fine but after flying
for an hour or so she begins running rough at low revs and will quit on me
if im not careful when I pull power.
Regards
Graeme
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This sounds suspiciously like a problem with a sensor. ( MAP or O2 )
When
the engine is cool the ECU automatically enriches the mix to keep it
running
smoothly. For some reason it sounds like when your engine is hot the
ECU is
cutting your mixture too lean causing the roughness. When the
conversion of
your engine was accomplished did they keep the OBD? If so get a code
reader
and see what it says.
If the TBI has an idle air bleed it may also be open too far giving too
much
air at the idle when the engine is fully warmed.
Just two wild guesses.
Noel
after flying for an hour or so she begins running rough at low revs
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| Subject: | small file Blank series V weight and balance |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bradley M Webb" <bmwebb@cox.net>
I think we had a similar discussion a while back. Try closing the gaps on
the elevator with clear tape, as seen on the Sportflight pics. While I can't
confirm a huge change on mine, others swear by it for getting elevator
effectiveness. I noticed an improvement, but nothing radical.
Also, a forward CG is a classic scenario of running out of elevator at low
speeds (in the flare). As the CG moves aft, the elevator gets move
authority, but it also gets more sensitive to small inputs at higher speeds.
Eventually it will get uncontrollable. Forward is better than aft, but you'd
be relegated to wheel landings.
Airplanes have loading limits, i.e., limited fuel with two passengers, etc.
You might want to check your W&B and see how different loadings affect you.
If you've not looked at it that way, you might be surprised.
My 2 runs out of elevator really quick with flap landings, but the gap seals
helped a little. Going from memory, a test I read showed that even a small
gap in a control surface reduces control effectiveness by as much as 30%. Hi
pressure always seeks low pressure, and it flows very nicely through that
gap. Thereby that air leak is not working for you.
Bradley
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Thompson
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 10:08 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: small file Blank series V weight and balance
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Mark Thompson" <kr2@earthlink.net>
Hi Kurt,I am also having a hard time with full elevator control for a stal
landing,I am landing with no flaps and seem to flair high and then
drop...no bounces yet lol...,I am flying with 2 200lb pilots and 26gal fuel
so I know Im heavy,but can we get more elevator authority?
Thanks for your input.........Kitfox4..N61AC
Mark.
> [Original Message]
> From: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 8/8/2006 9:27:31 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: small file Blank series V weight and balance
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
<smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>
> I can confirm it is true on my S-5 for over 50% flaps
> and FWD CG. I run out of trim at around 60 knots and
> no flaps. Still can get enough elevator until 1/2
> flaps. After that it is difficult to get the tail
> down with FWD CG. Just never saw it in a note before.
>
> Kurt S.
>
> --- AMuller589@aol.com wrote:
>
> > Attached is subject page from SERIES V POH page 2-4.
> > I found a way to reduce
> > it from 2.4mb to 266.4KB. Hope I can figure a way to
> > repeat it for future
> > X-MSN.
> >
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
> > <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
> >
> > What was the source of the note? First I have seen
> > that.
> >
> > Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo
> >
> > --- AMuller589@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > ...... An associated note said
> > >
> > > " NOTE: it is recommended that flap deflection be
> > > limited to (unspecified)
> > > notch on Series V tail draggers when operating at
> > CG
> > > stations forward of 11.70
> > > inch. The aircraft may not be able to achieve a
> > > three point attitude upon
> > > landing at extreme forward CG stations with full
> > > flaps......
>
> __________________________________________________
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
My strut (1) is mounted on the back. It doesn't flutter at all in flight.
Airspeed may be a factor... The asi reads around 85mph in still air. The
gps says closer to 105.
Photography with the door open is exceptional. There is nothing to vibrate
the lens of the camera and of course nothing to diffuse the image. I tend
to use wider angle lenses and point and press then crop the image on the
ground. If you use a digital camera ( usually I do ) try to get one with
the most pixels possible and don't use the digital zoom. For 35MM I stick
with the slowest film to do the job and a 1A(very light salmon colour)
filter on a UV filter. The 2 1/4 Sq allows more flexibility with film but I
use the same filter pac. Leave the lenses at infinity and set the exposure
before leaving the ground.
I use the neck strap until the door is closed and the camera is stowed.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> kurt schrader
> Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 2:10 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Door Struts
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
> <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>
> The struts are usually installed on the front, but
> some have put them in back. This allows for easier
> entry and exit, but in back is almost certain to
> flutter, if opened in flight. I kept mine in front on
> the factory mounts. S-5 model
>
> Kurt S.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Engine quitting |
Graeme, which engine are you using? If it's the EA81 NA, your idle
speeds are very low. Engine idle with the NSI should be around
2000-2200 normal and down as low as 1600 on short final only and for
only a short time. This is not to keep it running, but to reduce wear
on the transmission from tortional vibration. If it still quits on you
at the higher idle, you more than likely have an idle mixture problem.
The adjustment sequence is detailed in the operators manual.
And Michael, the rich color on the pilot side is normal for the EA81.
This is because the manifold makes a 180 degree turn back to that side.
In full power and cruise, the EGTs even out nicely when you get the
sweet spot. Not really anything to worry about.
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Logan
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 7:48 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Engine quitting
Graeme,
Are the plugs on both sides evenly colored? I had the same problem
and the only thing I could find was that one side of the engine ran
leaner than the other side. I never could figure out what the problem
was but I was meticulous about keeping my fuel system clean and the
problem was minimized. I never trusted the engine so I have very few
hours on the plane and am in the process of putting multipoint fuel
injection on the engine.
Mike Logan
Series 5
NSI SHO
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of QSS
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 4:20 AM
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: Engine quitting
Hi Guys, I am having problems with the idle on my subaru and have
twice now had to do a dead stick landing when pulling power on final.
Has anyone with an Ellison TBI had a similar experience. Im running on
1200-1400 at idle and when on the ground and warming the engine up it
runs fine but after flying for an hour or so she begins running rough at
low revs and will quit on me if im not careful when I pull power.
Regards
Graeme
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Hi Noel,
I don't have gas strut on doors and my doors will stay open without a
problem.
Also I saw your picture the other day and you have a nice looking Kitfox.
What are your true airspeeds on floats in MPH ? you must be joking about
the 105 comment ?
582 Kitfox 3 is likely to be close to low 80s at very best.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 8:09 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Door Struts
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
>
> My strut (1) is mounted on the back. It doesn't flutter at all in flight.
> Airspeed may be a factor... The asi reads around 85mph in still air. The
> gps says closer to 105.
>
> Photography with the door open is exceptional. There is nothing to
> vibrate
> the lens of the camera and of course nothing to diffuse the image. I tend
> to use wider angle lenses and point and press then crop the image on the
> ground. If you use a digital camera ( usually I do ) try to get one with
> the most pixels possible and don't use the digital zoom. For 35MM I stick
> with the slowest film to do the job and a 1A(very light salmon colour)
> filter on a UV filter. The 2 1/4 Sq allows more flexibility with film but
> I
> use the same filter pac. Leave the lenses at infinity and set the
> exposure
> before leaving the ground.
>
> I use the neck strap until the door is closed and the camera is stowed.
>
> Noel
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>> kurt schrader
>> Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 2:10 AM
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Door Struts
>>
>>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
>> <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>>
>> The struts are usually installed on the front, but
>> some have put them in back. This allows for easier
>> entry and exit, but in back is almost certain to
>> flutter, if opened in flight. I kept mine in front on
>> the factory mounts. S-5 model
>>
>> Kurt S.
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Engine quitting |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
I agree that the idle is too low, even with a belt
drive, if you have that.
Another possibility is that you are running rich in
cruise and fowling the plugs? Then they may not fire
well at idle.
Kurt S.
--- QSS <msm@byterocky.net> wrote:
> Hi Guys, I am having problems with the idle on my
> subaru and have twice now had to do a dead stick
> landing when pulling power on final. Has anyone with
> an Ellison TBI had a similar experience. Im running
> on 1200-1400 at idle and when on the ground and
> warming the engine up it runs fine but after flying
> for an hour or so she begins running rough at low
> revs and will quit on me if im not careful when I
> pull power.
>
> Regards
> Graeme
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| Subject: | small file Blank series V weight and balance |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
I should pass on something I found to give more tail down authority.
When I built my plane I wasn't sure where the adjustment should be on the
trim screw jack. So I put it about mid point. During a recent condition
inspection, I got curious and found that I was not getting the leading edge
of the horizontal stabilizer down as far as I could. So I moved the
connection on the screw jack to a low as I could get it.
This gives me much more tail down authority. I can put the tail wheel down
first even with full flaps. I have only tried dumping flaps a couple of
times. It works well, but I feel I am busy enough on landing without adding
another task. ;-)
Randy Series 5/7
.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kurt schrader
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 10:10 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: small file Blank series V weight and balance
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
<smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
I closed the gap from the stabilizer to the verticle
stab hatches with foam as much as I could when I built
mine just to increase the elevator authority. It has
no gap now when at full nose up stab. (stab front
down to the widest part of the verticle stab)
Later I plan to put in gap seals too. If that isn't
enough, I can add VG's under the stab or move that
little battery I have just aft of the firewall to
adjust the CG a little.
But for elevator authority you need to close the gaps,
make sure you have full elevator deflection, but no
more, and then stay within CG limits. That should do
it. Move some weight aft if you need to.
For some of my testing, I installed a 7 gal water tank
in the cargo bay aft end and that gave me near
centered CG. That didn't do as much as you might
expect to increase the elevator authority. Only near
aft CG limits made a big difference and I don't like
flying it like that for other reasons.
I compare my plane's feel to a C-180 with a stick and
twice the roll rate. In calm air, it feels like a
heavier plane, but it is still only takes a flick of
the stick to go where I want. :-)
Kurt S. S-5
--- Mark Thompson <kr2@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Hi Kurt,I am also having a hard time with full
> elevator control for a stall
> landing,I am landing with no flaps and seem to flair
> high and then
> drop...no bounces yet lol...,I am flying with 2
> 200lb pilots and 26gal fuel
> so I know Im heavy, but can we get more elevator
> authority?
> Thanks for your input.........Kitfox4..N61AC
>
> Mark
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| Subject: | Re: Flying without doors |
Lynn asks:
>Mike, didn't you have the nylon material attached to the t'deck and
>to the fuse member just below the flaperon control tube, which
>provides a split bearing around the flap tube?
No. My turtledeck simply had a slot cut into it for the flaperon
horn to pass through. The inboard flaperon hinge held the bearing
surface that the horn swiveled within (see attached).
Mike G.
N728KF
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
Kurt sez:
>This allows for easier entry and exit, but in back is almost certain
>to flutter, if opened in flight.
I installed mine on the back of the door to keep them out of the way
and never had any trouble with flutter. I flew with them open quite
often.
Mike G.
N728KF
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| Subject: | Re: Flying without doors |
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!200 too 1400 RPMs is fine. 1350 is what I remember as recommended. Any
more and you run the risk of floating off the end of the strip. What you
have to rethink with the Sub is running lean. You cannot go full rich on
landings, just cant, especially if you do that cross or down wind. Just
lean her out for the power sitting you have. Remember if you have a go
around you need to do two things instead of one, full rich full
power. Yea, yea you shouldn't have to do that, OK well then you need a
different engine or fuel management system. Even on the ground if you
don't lean so that a quick push on the ego stick causes her to stumble
or quite she is to fat and nobody likes a fat lady, with few exceptions
:). So for the NSI/Subaru folks that's just the way it is if you run
the TBI. Might want to do the idel adjustment on a hot engine.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of QSS
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 1:20 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Engine quitting
Hi Guys, I am having problems with the idle on my subaru and have twice
now had to do a dead stick landing when pulling power on final. Has
anyone with an Ellison TBI had a similar experience. Im running on
1200-1400 at idle and when on the ground and warming the engine up it
runs fine but after flying for an hour or so she begins running rough at
low revs and will quit on me if im not careful when I pull power.
Regards
Graeme
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Noel and Mike,
Guess I am wrong then if it works for you 2. I
thought about moving mine there while building because
it makes entry and exit easier, but figured SS only
put them in the front for a reason. Usually you need
the support on the forward end or things go divergent.
Now I wish I tried it on the back too.
Kurt S.
--- Noel Loveys <noelloveys@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> My strut (1) is mounted on the back. It doesn't
> flutter at all in flight.
> Airspeed may be a factor... The asi reads around
> 85mph in still air. The gps says closer to 105.
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| Subject: | small file Blank series V weight and balance |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Hi Randy,
I am trying to remember from construction. Was the
slot in the access panel for the stab leading edge
already cut? Did yours go to the bottom of the slot
origionally and you cut more out, or did you already
have more room? I am just trying to figure an easy
point of comparison.....
Kurt S.
--- Randy Daughenbaugh <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com> wrote:
> I should pass on something I found to give more tail
> down authority.
>
> When I built my plane I wasn't sure where the
> adjustment should be on the
> trim screw jack. So I put it about mid point.
> During a recent condition
> inspection, I got curious and found that I was not
> getting the leading edge
> of the horizontal stabilizer down as far as I could.
> So I moved the
> connection on the screw jack to a low as I could get
> it.
>
> This gives me much more tail down authority. I can
> put the tail wheel down
> first even with full flaps. I have only tried
> dumping flaps a couple of
> times. It works well, but I feel I am busy enough
> on landing without adding another task. ;-)
>
> Randy Series 5/7
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