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1. 12:42 AM - Re: Ethanol and wing tanks Ethanol and wing tanks (Michael Gibbs)
2. 03:47 AM - Is a taildragger dangerous? (Michel Verheughe)
3. 04:10 AM - Fw: Kitfox parts (Bob Unternaehrer)
4. 05:20 AM - Re: Handheld Trancievers (Lynn Matteson)
5. 05:34 AM - Re: GPS Units (Dave)
6. 05:39 AM - Re: Handheld Trancievers (Lynn Matteson)
7. 06:08 AM - Re: Kitfox-Fuel Flow (Algate)
8. 06:52 AM - Re: Re: Kitfox-Fuel Flow (Shane Sather)
9. 06:55 AM - Re: Re: Ethanol and wing tanks Ethanol and wing tanks (Noel Loveys)
10. 07:00 AM - Re: Re: Kitfox-Fuel Flow (Don Smythe)
11. 07:19 AM - Re: Tailwheel Tango (kitfoxmike)
12. 07:20 AM - Re: Re: Kitfox-Fuel Flow (Dave)
13. 07:30 AM - Re: Re: Kitfox-Fuel Flow (Algate)
14. 07:33 AM - Re: Re: Kitfox-Fuel Flow (wingsdown)
15. 07:34 AM - Re: Is a taildragger dangerous? (kirkhull)
16. 07:44 AM - Re: Ignition switch question (kirkhull)
17. 07:51 AM - Re: Ignition switch question (Noel Loveys)
18. 08:02 AM - Re: Handheld Trancievers (Noel Loveys)
19. 08:03 AM - Re: Re: Kitfox-Fuel Flow (Dave)
20. 08:10 AM - Re: Ignition switch question (Bradley M Webb)
21. 08:12 AM - Re: Handheld Trancievers (Noel Loveys)
22. 08:20 AM - Re: Re: Tailwheel Tango (Noel Loveys)
23. 08:36 AM - Re: Ignition switch question (Noel Loveys)
24. 08:42 AM - Re: Re: Kitfox-Fuel Flow (kurt schrader)
25. 08:46 AM - Re: Tailwheel Tango (spudnuts)
26. 08:46 AM - Re: Re: Kitfox-Fuel Flow (kurt schrader)
27. 08:57 AM - Re: Ignition switch question (Dave G.)
28. 09:05 AM - Re: Re: Ethanol and wing tanks Ethanol and wing tanks (Dave G.)
29. 09:10 AM - Re: Re: Tailwheel Tango (Dave G.)
30. 09:11 AM - Re: Re: Tailwheel Tango (Dave)
31. 09:24 AM - Re: Re: ALtimeter adjustment - was Fuel Flow (Marco Menezes)
32. 09:34 AM - Re: Re: Kitfox-Fuel Flow (Algate)
33. 09:42 AM - Re: Re: Kitfox-Fuel Flow (Fox5flyer)
34. 09:52 AM - Re: Re: Tailwheel Tango (Dave G.)
35. 09:55 AM - Re: Re: ALtimeter adjustment (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
36. 11:23 AM - Re: Re: ALtimeter adjustment (kurt schrader)
37. 11:42 AM - Re: Tailwheel Tango (kitfoxmike)
38. 11:56 AM - Re: Re: ALtimeter adjustment (kurt schrader)
39. 12:03 PM - Re: ALtimeter adjustment (kitfoxmike)
40. 12:04 PM - Re: Tailwheel Tango (kitfoxmike)
41. 12:08 PM - Re: Michigan Kitfoxers (Fox5flyer)
42. 12:32 PM - Re: Re: Tailwheel Tango (Torgeir Mortensen)
43. 12:39 PM - Re: Re: ALtimeter adjustment (Marco Menezes)
44. 12:52 PM - Re: Re: ALtimeter adjustment (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
45. 12:53 PM - Re: Ignition switch question (Bradley M Webb)
46. 01:05 PM - Re: Re: ALtimeter adjustment (AMuller589@AOL.COM)
47. 01:21 PM - Re: tail wheel (Lowell Fitt)
48. 01:38 PM - Re: Kitfox in Thailand? (John Galt)
49. 01:38 PM - Re: Re: ALtimeter adjustment (Marco Menezes)
50. 01:41 PM - Re: Kitfox for sale (John Galt)
51. 01:47 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox-Fuel Flow (Lowell Fitt)
52. 01:50 PM - Re:to Michael (was) Re: Ethanol and wing tanks Ethanol and wing tanks (Lowell Fitt)
53. 01:58 PM - Re: Handheld Trancievers (wingsdown)
54. 02:03 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox-Fuel Flow (Lowell Fitt)
55. 02:08 PM - Re: Re: Tailwheel Tango (Lowell Fitt)
56. 02:10 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox-Fuel Flow (Dave)
57. 02:20 PM - Re: tail wheel (kitfoxmike)
58. 02:23 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox-Fuel Flow (Lynn Matteson)
59. 02:23 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox-Fuel Flow (Algate)
60. 02:28 PM - Re: ALtimeter adjustment (kitfoxmike)
61. 02:52 PM - Re: tail wheel (John Oakley)
62. 03:52 PM - Re: Kitfox in Thailand? (flier)
63. 04:36 PM - Re: tail wheel (John Oakley)
64. 04:49 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox-Fuel Flow (Bob Unternaehrer)
65. 04:52 PM - (John Oakley)
66. 05:08 PM - Re: Tailwheel Tango (darinh)
67. 05:23 PM - Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you want ;-) (darinh)
68. 05:33 PM - Re: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you want ;-) (Forfun3@aol.com)
69. 06:08 PM - Re: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you want ;-) (Dee Young)
70. 06:26 PM - Re: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you want ;-) (Dave and Diane)
71. 06:33 PM - Re: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you want ;-) (Don Smythe)
72. 06:49 PM - Re: (Fox5flyer)
73. 07:22 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox-Fuel Flow (Lowell Fitt)
74. 07:26 PM - Re: Re: Tailwheel Tango (Lowell Fitt)
75. 07:29 PM - Re: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you want ;-) (Lowell Fitt)
76. 07:30 PM - Re: Rotax Service Bulletin Compliance (Lowell Fitt)
77. 07:32 PM - Re: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you want ;-) (kirkhull)
78. 07:39 PM - Re: Lowell Etc (Lowell Fitt)
79. 07:44 PM - Re: Re: Tailwheel Tango (kirkhull)
80. 08:06 PM - oil temps 912S/S-6 on floats revisited (Fred Shiple)
81. 08:19 PM - Re: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you want ;-) (Steve Wilson)
82. 08:33 PM - Re: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you want ;-) (darinh)
83. 08:34 PM - Re: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you want ;-) (Mo)
84. 08:40 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox-Fuel Flow (Lynn Matteson)
85. 09:02 PM - Re: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you want ;-) (Lynn Matteson)
86. 09:08 PM - Re: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you want ;-) (John Oakley)
87. 09:10 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox-Fuel Flow (John Oakley)
88. 11:10 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you want ;-) (john perry)
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| Subject: | Re: Ethanol and wing tanks Ethanol and wing tanks |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
Noel sez:
>**I believe your word was octane percentage I was talking about
>"rating" so extrapolation or mathematical assessment is all that is
>available. E.g. Some gasoline available today may not have any
>octane at all. Would their octane rating be "0"???...
This is going to take a long time if I have to keep spoon-feeding the
article to you one paragraph at a time. The first sentence says
<http://www.prime-mover.org/Engines/GArticles/octane.html>:
"The octane number assigned to a motor fuel has very little to do
with the actual chemical "octanes" in the fuel..."
My use of the term "percentage" referred to the percentage of
iso-octane to heptane, which is the definition of "octane rating,"
not octanes as a substance.
>How does one then assign an octane rating to ethanol???
From the same article:
"...you run your reference fuel, made up of various proportions of
heptane and iso-octane through the ASTM-CFR. You keep varying the
proportion of heptane to iso-octane until you get a fuel that behaves
just like (knock-wise) your mystery fuel. Once you get that, you say
to yourself 'How much heptane did I have to add to the iso-octane to
get the mixture to knock in the ASTM-CFR just like my mystery fuel?'
If the answer is, say, 10% heptane to 90% iso-octane, your mystery
fuel has an octane number of 90...
"HOW DO THEY GET OCTANE NUMBERS ABOVE 100?
Often it's done by pure extrapolation. A more reliable method,
however, is through the use of so-called performance numbers.
Briefly, these are arrived at by determining the instantaneous mean
effective cylinder pressure (IMEP), using the fuel under test, at the
highest boost that does not cause knocking. This number is then
multiplied by 100 and the resultant is divided by the IMEP at the
highest boost that does not cause knocking on the 100 octane
equivalent fuel."
Mike G.
728KF
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| Subject: | Is a taildragger dangerous? |
Dear fellow Kitfoxers,
Just as you thought the thread about tailwheel vs. tricyle had faded away ... here
I am, on the same subject! :-)
Here is my thinking:
Yes, if I loose control when landing, I risk a ground loop that, if done with enough
speed, will damage the wing tip, the main gear, probably a nose-down with
prop strike, new crankshaft ... etc. But if you have already several hundred
landings on you plane, what are the chances of this happening? Of course, you
can be distracted, but so can you in your car and end up on the opposite side
of the road and in a front collision, which would be worse for your health than
a ground loop.
Then there is the problem of crosswind. I have landed in crosswind up to 12 knots
and I know it's the limit because then, my plane windvanes at the end, when
the rudder is no longer effective. But that's not exactly a ground loop, is
it? The maximum you will ever windvane is 90 degrees and when already going slow.
Can that damage the plane?
So if taildragger insurances are higher because the risk is considered higher,
how exactly dangerous is a taildragger? Or is it simply overrated?
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Fw: Kitfox parts |
Message
----- Original Message -----
From: wingsdown
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 6:31 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox parts
The adjustable was an option. This is adjustable. The only thing you
would need is the ratchet brackets that mount on the center console.
Might ask the list if this are the same for a model four, I don't know.
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Unternaehrer [mailto:shilocom@mcmsys.com]
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 2:35 PM
To: wingsdown
Subject: Re: Kitfox parts
Rick, I don't suppose the rudder pedal system would be easily
convertable for use in a Mod IV. If so I'd be interested. I've got
about everything mounted except the brake actuator pedals. Wasn't the
Mod 5 adjustable. Bob U.
----- Original Message -----
From: wingsdown
To: 'Bob Unternaehrer'
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 3:47 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox parts
They are for a model 5, just about everything.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Unternaehrer [mailto:shilocom@mcmsys.com]
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 6:36 AM
To: wingsdown@comcast.net
Subject: Kitfox parts
<<<SS flight controls all factory parts available in excellent
condition....................
What "Kitfox flight control parts" do you have for
Blue Skies
Bob Unternaehrer
shilocom@mcmsys.com
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| Subject: | Re: Handheld Trancievers |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
I had one in my IV until I bought and installed the A200 panel-mount
unit. The A24 worked fine for me, and none of my test pilots for the 40
hours complained.
Lynn
On Sunday, August 20, 2006, at 09:20 AM, Dan Billingsley wrote:
> Last December I purchased one of the Icom A-24 Nav Coms. I had used it
> several times to monitor frequencies, yet I hadn't used it to transmit
> until our radio went south on the way back from Oshkosh this year. The
> receiving (voice)does ok, however, transmitting is a different story.
> I couldn't raise anyone. I found that towers couldn't receive me until
> I was direct line of sight and within2 miles. My $50 walkie talkies
> beat the heck out of that!
>
> I wasn't impressed with the Nav end of it either. I have tried it on
> several occasions flying to and from VOR's and if I rated it on a
> scale of 1-10 I would give it a 2. I certainly couldn't depend on
> it.... If I did I would end up in Timbuktu.
>
> I sent the radio in to Icom believing that there was a problem with
> it. I got it back with a note indicating that it checked out fine on
> the bench and that I should always use a well charged battery...hmmm.
> Sound advice, that is if I hadn't already tested it with a freshly
> charged battery. Of course it didn't work any better after I got it
> back.
>
> So I was wondering if anyone else has tried using this unit with
> better success?
> Dan B.
> Mesa
> Kitfox IV (building) 314DW
>
>
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Hi guys,
I have Garmin 196 and they are cheap now to buy new 600$ CDN approx. I
also have an older Garmin 12 but no moving map and they go for about 50
to 100$ on Ebay used.
I would recomend the 196 as i has the entire Aviation database in it as
well with all airport info. If you want to pay more and get colour try
the 296 or the 396 but really will not give a kitfoxer any more than
you will get with a 196.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Chaney
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 10:49 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: GPS Units
I purchased the Garman Etrex Legand and although I have only used it
once it really does a nice job. This is not an aviation unit but I
really just wanted a unit to give me point A to point B. This unit does
quite a bit. It has a map, which is updatable, listing citys, towns,
and even unincorporated towns. The screens are able to be customized
with the info you would want displayed. For $150 it was a good fit for
me.
Mike Chaney
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Marwynne
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 10:32 PM
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: GPS Units
I have a 2000c . It works great.
Marwynne
Hilltop Lakes Texas
I am considering purchasing a Lowrance 2000c GPS unit.
Steve Wilson
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| Subject: | Re: Handheld Trancievers |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Oops, I should have added to my previous comment (about having no
problems with the A24) that I had an external antenna mounted on the
'fox.
Lynn
On Sunday, August 20, 2006, at 09:20 AM, Dan Billingsley wrote:
> Last December I purchased one of the Icom A-24 Nav Coms. I had used it
> several times to monitor frequencies, yet I hadn't used it to transmit
> until our radio went south on the way back from Oshkosh this year. The
> receiving (voice)does ok, however, transmitting is a different story.
> I couldn't raise anyone. I found that towers couldn't receive me until
> I was direct line of sight and within2 miles. My $50 walkie talkies
> beat the heck out of that!
>
> I wasn't impressed with the Nav end of it either. I have tried it on
> several occasions flying to and from VOR's and if I rated it on a
> scale of 1-10 I would give it a 2. I certainly couldn't depend on
> it.... If I did I would end up in Timbuktu.
>
> I sent the radio in to Icom believing that there was a problem with
> it. I got it back with a note indicating that it checked out fine on
> the bench and that I should always use a well charged battery...hmmm.
> Sound advice, that is if I hadn't already tested it with a freshly
> charged battery. Of course it didn't work any better after I got it
> back.
>
> So I was wondering if anyone else has tried using this unit with
> better success?
> Dan B.
> Mesa
> Kitfox IV (building) 314DW
>
>
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| Subject: | RE: Kitfox-Fuel Flow |
Good morning
I flew a short cross country on the weekend from Barrie to the UPAC (Ultra
Light Pilots Association Canada) convention near Waterloo (approx 100
miles).
My new acquisition performed great but I noticed that the pilot side tank
drained at almost twice the rate of the Passenger side. I have heard stories
that if you fly un-coordinated this can happen but I was definitely flying
straight and true.
When I landed I checked the fuel flow from the tank into the header but it
was excellent (I have a large puddle to prove it).
I have no valves in the system other than the main fuel shut off under the
panel and although I'm sure that both tanks would eventually drain I really
don't understand the variation. I have a low fuel warning mounted on my
header so I will do some circuits to see if the tank drains completely
before the other one starts to flow.
Do I have a problem or is it normal to see unequal fuel flow?
Regards
Gary Algate
Model 4 / Jab2200
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| Subject: | Re: Ethanol and wing tanks Ethanol and wing tanks |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
> "The octane number assigned to a motor fuel has very little to do
> with the actual chemical "octanes" in the fuel..."
** That is the reason that it is possible to have an octane rating of more
than 100.
Now about that Champagne.....:-)
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Kitfox-Fuel Flow |
Gary,
That is a problem (or not) that has been discussed many times. One
thing that I have never seen is someone saying that one tank was
"completely" drained while the other still had lots of fuel. That would
make things real interesting. I have a feeling that this would never
happen. At some point, the full tank has to start feeding the header
more than the empty one?????? unless of course, one tank has a blockage.
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: Algate
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 9:11 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: RE: Kitfox-Fuel Flow
Good morning
I flew a short cross country on the weekend from Barrie to the UPAC
(Ultra Light Pilots Association Canada) convention near Waterloo (approx
100 miles).
My new acquisition performed great but I noticed that the pilot side
tank drained at almost twice the rate of the Passenger side. I have
heard stories that if you fly un-coordinated this can happen but I was
definitely flying straight and true.
When I landed I checked the fuel flow from the tank into the header
but it was excellent (I have a large puddle to prove it).
I have no valves in the system other than the main fuel shut off under
the panel and although I'm sure that both tanks would eventually drain
I really don't understand the variation. I have a low fuel warning
mounted on my header so I will do some circuits to see if the tank
drains completely before the other one starts to flow.
Do I have a problem or is it normal to see unequal fuel flow?
Regards
Gary Algate
Model 4 / Jab2200
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| Subject: | Re: Tailwheel Tango |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com>
I agree, who cares, as long as I'm flying. I just mainly prefer a stick over a
steering wheel. Hah Hah, lets start a new one now, sticks over wheels. I was
flying my number two favorate machine this weekend, put 500 miles on her. The
BMW R1100RT. Now that's a fun machine, should have a sticker on it that says,
"I'm not going fast just flying low". I laugh at the motorcycles that have
a third wheel, triks. Ooops! here we go again on that one. Some of you are
trying to figure how to do wheel landings, try touching on the left wheel, then
raise up a little and touch on the right wheel. Or come in and drag the tail
wheel about 50 feet or so down the runway. THis is way cool also, breaks the
bordom, if you have any, or if you just want to impress the tower people.
--------
kitfoxmike
kitfox4 1200 912ul speedster
http://www.frappr.com/kitfoxmike
rv7 wingkit
reserved 287RV
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=56063#56063
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Kitfox-Fuel Flow |
Don,
This is why it good to have a fuel selector so that you can on start up
run off right tank and run up off left tank and take off on "both" But
with a header tank that would not work as the run up and start up might
not consume the capacity of the header tank.
I have a dash tank and indivdual shut offs on each wing tank and a clear
fuel filter inline before the dash tank so I can actually see the fuel
transfering.
Personally I would rather have shut offs to isolate each tank. One
reason is if you had a cap come loose in flight and the tank siphoned
dry then you would have one tank remaining. If you did not have this I
think it would be possible to have both tanks drained and down you go.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Smythe
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 9:59 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: RE: Kitfox-Fuel Flow
Gary,
That is a problem (or not) that has been discussed many times.
One thing that I have never seen is someone saying that one tank was
"completely" drained while the other still had lots of fuel. That would
make things real interesting. I have a feeling that this would never
happen. At some point, the full tank has to start feeding the header
more than the empty one?????? unless of course, one tank has a blockage.
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: Algate
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 9:11 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: RE: Kitfox-Fuel Flow
Good morning
I flew a short cross country on the weekend from Barrie to the UPAC
(Ultra Light Pilots Association Canada) convention near Waterloo (approx
100 miles).
My new acquisition performed great but I noticed that the pilot
side tank drained at almost twice the rate of the Passenger side. I have
heard stories that if you fly un-coordinated this can happen but I was
definitely flying straight and true.
When I landed I checked the fuel flow from the tank into the header
but it was excellent (I have a large puddle to prove it).
I have no valves in the system other than the main fuel shut off
under the panel and although I'm sure that both tanks would eventually
drain I really don't understand the variation. I have a low fuel warning
mounted on my header so I will do some circuits to see if the tank
drains completely before the other one starts to flow.
Do I have a problem or is it normal to see unequal fuel flow?
Regards
Gary Algate
Model 4 / Jab2200
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| Subject: | RE: Kitfox-Fuel Flow |
Thanks Don and Shane,
I think that you are both probably right and I am probably chasing red
herrings. As I am new to this plane I am probably just being over
critical.
I knew my last Kitfox inside out and trusted it implicitly ' I guess I
am
just going to have to build up the same confidence level with this one.
Another question ' I found an adjustment for my VSI but not for the
altimeter ' is there a user friendly way to adjust these or is it an
instrument technician job. My altimeter reads almost 600ft out !
Regards
Gary Algate
_____
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Shane
Sather
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 9:51 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: RE: Kitfox-Fuel Flow
Gary I notice the same difference on my Light 2 also but not to the same
extent. The pilot side always goes lower first. This has been noted by
many
others too and I don't recall that there was any real solution for this
Shane.
----- Original Message -----
From: Algate <mailto:algate@attglobal.net>
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 7:11 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: RE: Kitfox-Fuel Flow
Good morning
I flew a short cross country on the weekend from Barrie to the UPAC
(Ultra
Light Pilots Association Canada) convention near Waterloo (approx 100
miles).
My new acquisition performed great but I noticed that the pilot side
tank
drained at almost twice the rate of the Passenger side. I have heard
stories
that if you fly un-coordinated this can happen but I was definitely
flying
straight and true.
When I landed I checked the fuel flow from the tank into the header but
it
was excellent (I have a large puddle to prove it).
I have no valves in the system other than the main fuel shut off under
the
panel and although I=92m sure that both tanks would eventually drain I
really
don=92t understand the variation. I have a low fuel warning mounted on
my
header so I will do some circuits to see if the tank drains completely
before the other one starts to flow.
Do I have a problem or is it normal to see unequal fuel flow?
Regards
Gary Algate
Model 4 / Jab2200
=B7?~?=ED=B2,=DE=03g(??=D3M=D3Gq=A2z=C1=AE
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| Subject: | RE: Kitfox-Fuel Flow |
Unless you fly perfectly level, do the same amount of turns in each
direction, and are able to shut off at least one tank from the other
while parked you risk crossover.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Algate
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 6:11 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: RE: Kitfox-Fuel Flow
Good morning
I flew a short cross country on the weekend from Barrie to the UPAC
(Ultra Light Pilots Association Canada) convention near Waterloo (approx
100 miles).
My new acquisition performed great but I noticed that the pilot side
tank drained at almost twice the rate of the Passenger side. I have
heard stories that if you fly un-coordinated this can happen but I was
definitely flying straight and true.
When I landed I checked the fuel flow from the tank into the header but
it was excellent (I have a large puddle to prove it).
I have no valves in the system other than the main fuel shut off under
the panel and although I'm sure that both tanks would eventually drain
I really don't understand the variation. I have a low fuel warning
mounted on my header so I will do some circuits to see if the tank
drains completely before the other one starts to flow.
Do I have a problem or is it normal to see unequal fuel flow?
Regards
Gary Algate
Model 4 / Jab2200
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| Subject: | Is a taildragger dangerous? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kirkhull" <kirkhull@sbcglobal.net>
>From a safety analyst, the ground loop is rarely fatal ( or even causes
minor injuries ). However they count as an accident and therefore show up
on the FAA stats that insurance companies use to compare risks. Also the
ins companies see ground loops as an additional risk they have to pay out on
for tail draggers that they don't have on a nose wheel. As for dangerous ,
only to the airplane and your pride.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michel
Verheughe
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 5:46 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Is a taildragger dangerous?
Dear fellow Kitfoxers,
Just as you thought the thread about tailwheel vs. tricyle had faded away
... here I am, on the same subject! :-)
Here is my thinking:
Yes, if I loose control when landing, I risk a ground loop that, if done
with enough speed, will damage the wing tip, the main gear, probably a
nose-down with prop strike, new crankshaft ... etc. But if you have already
several hundred landings on you plane, what are the chances of this
happening? Of course, you can be distracted, but so can you in your car and
end up on the opposite side of the road and in a front collision, which
would be worse for your health than a ground loop.
Then there is the problem of crosswind. I have landed in crosswind up to 12
knots and I know it's the limit because then, my plane windvanes at the
end, when the rudder is no longer effective. But that's not exactly a ground
loop, is it? The maximum you will ever windvane is 90 degrees and when
already going slow. Can that damage the plane?
So if taildragger insurances are higher because the risk is considered
higher, how exactly dangerous is a taildragger? Or is it simply overrated?
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Ignition switch question |
Don't forget you will want to be able to isolate the entire elect system
with out shutting off the engine. When I first wired my fox with a Subaru
installed , I set it up like a Cessna. The problem was the Cessna uses Mags
for the ignition so when I shut off the master on the fox it also shut off
the ignition . Not good.
_____
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave G.
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 9:57 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Ignition switch question
On my Kitfox as wired the output from the rectifier (582 with the original
rect) is wired directly to the positive battery bus with no cutoff. I want
to add a cutoff to completely isolate the battery. I've seen diagrams the
connect the rectifier output to the accessory terminal of the ignition
switch and there's no doubt this would accomplish my goal but I have some
doubt the ACS switch can take it. It also has the drawback that you cannot
isolate the rectifier without turning the ignition to off.
Motorcycles are commonly wired exactly as my aircraft is now, so perhaps
this is what most people do. So, whats the popular method?
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| Subject: | Ignition switch question |
This is how I hooked up a master switch for my Kitfox. The relay is not
a
starter relay (it would overheat) but the type of relay used in RVs for
the
extra battery. Just for the the way it looked my master switch is a
long
toggle with a red light in it of the type they use on tractor trailers.
The
light draws attention to the switch which can be a good thing if things
start to get real busy. The advantages of this hook up are; The high
current wiring is all outside the fire wall, the switch lead can be
fused at
the battery and the relay completely disconnects all power form the
battery
when the master switch is open.
The disadvantage is the 5 or 6 ounces the relay weighs.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave G.
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 12:27 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Ignition switch question
On my Kitfox as wired the output from the rectifier (582 with the
original
rect) is wired directly to the positive battery bus with no cutoff. I
want
to add a cutoff to completely isolate the battery. I've seen diagrams
the
connect the rectifier output to the accessory terminal of the ignition
switch and there's no doubt this would accomplish my goal but I have
some
doubt the ACS switch can take it. It also has the drawback that you
cannot
isolate the rectifier without turning the ignition to off.
Motorcycles are commonly wired exactly as my aircraft is now, so perhaps
this is what most people do. So, whats the popular method?
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| Subject: | Handheld Trancievers |
Another neat idea from a ham! I never thought of that because I
generally
only used the ducks portable.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Crowder
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 2:23 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Handheld Trancievers
Regarding handheld radios with rubber duckies, during my more active ham
radio days I was using a 2 meter radio and also a business band radio
that
used an adjoining frequency and as in aircraft when inside of a
automobile,
the effectiveness of the radios was greatly reduced. I purchased a
magnetic
antenna mount with attached antenna cable. One could attach an antenna
of
choice via a baronet coupling. I found that attaching the rubber duckie
antenna from the handheld was as good as any much longer antenna and
greatly
improved the radio performance when set a top the vehicle roof using the
magnetic mount.
With a aircraft, one could install a baronet compatible receptacle with
an
appropriate length cable to the inside of the aircraft and then when
needed,
attach it to the radio. The small rubber duckie antenna could when need
be
attached to the mount and would display a small profile for wind
resistance.
Jim Crowder
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Kitfox-Fuel Flow |
Gary I have taken apart Altimeters and moved the barometric pressure
gear one or two notches to adjust it to more accuarte setting.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Algate
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 10:33 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: RE: Kitfox-Fuel Flow
Thanks Don and Shane,
I think that you are both probably right and I am probably chasing red
herrings. As I am new to this plane I am probably just being over
critical. I knew my last Kitfox inside out and trusted it implicitly - I
guess I am just going to have to build up the same confidence level with
this one.
Another question - I found an adjustment for my VSI but not for the
altimeter - is there a user friendly way to adjust these or is it an
instrument technician job. My altimeter reads almost 600ft out !
Regards
Gary Algate
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Shane
Sather
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 9:51 AM
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: RE: Kitfox-Fuel Flow
Gary I notice the same difference on my Light 2 also but not to the
same extent. The pilot side always goes lower first. This has been noted
by many others too and I don't recall that there was any real solution
for this
Shane.
----- Original Message -----
From: Algate
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 7:11 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: RE: Kitfox-Fuel Flow
Good morning
I flew a short cross country on the weekend from Barrie to the UPAC
(Ultra Light Pilots Association Canada) convention near Waterloo (approx
100 miles).
My new acquisition performed great but I noticed that the pilot
side tank drained at almost twice the rate of the Passenger side. I have
heard stories that if you fly un-coordinated this can happen but I was
definitely flying straight and true.
When I landed I checked the fuel flow from the tank into the header
but it was excellent (I have a large puddle to prove it).
I have no valves in the system other than the main fuel shut off
under the panel and although I'm sure that both tanks would eventually
drain I really don't understand the variation. I have a low fuel warning
mounted on my header so I will do some circuits to see if the tank
drains completely before the other one starts to flow.
Do I have a problem or is it normal to see unequal fuel flow?
Regards
Gary Algate
Model 4 / Jab2200
=B7?~?=ED=B2,=DE=03g(??=D3M=D3Gq=A2z=C1=AE
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| Subject: | Ignition switch question |
Timely post, as I've just gone through the motions for this very thing. What
you want is to isolate the battery, and isolate the alternator separately.
This would require two solenoids. I got two continuous duty solenoids from a
golf cart shop, and wired them up according to this:
http://www.aeroelectric.com/DIY/DIY_Crowbar_OVP_F.pdf
Figure Z-24 is what you're after. Make sure you get CONTINUOUS DUTY
solenoids, not starter contactors.
Basically, the alternator goes through the solenoid to the loads, then to a
solenoid to the battery. The alternator solenoid is closed via an alternator
switch, and the battery solenoid is closed via the battery switch. My loads
(GPS, RADIO, EFIS, etc.) are on a bus that is powered by an "avionics"
master. It's really quite simple, and affords me the opportunity to isolate
whatever I need to if a problem occurs.
Consider this on your motor: The starter should be parallel to the
alternator. That is, if you need to shut down the alternator, don't kill the
starter, too. It's just in how you wire it up. Also, like the Geo, you have
an ECU, no? Don't kill the ECU power with the alternator switch. You need
juice to keep the motor running, but just disconnect the alternator to keep
the battery from frying.
Good luck,
Bradley
_____
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave G.
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 10:57 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Ignition switch question
On my Kitfox as wired the output from the rectifier (582 with the original
rect) is wired directly to the positive battery bus with no cutoff. I want
to add a cutoff to completely isolate the battery. I've seen diagrams the
connect the rectifier output to the accessory terminal of the ignition
switch and there's no doubt this would accomplish my goal but I have some
doubt the ACS switch can take it. It also has the drawback that you cannot
isolate the rectifier without turning the ignition to off.
Motorcycles are commonly wired exactly as my aircraft is now, so perhaps
this is what most people do. So, whats the popular method?
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| Subject: | Handheld Trancievers |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
The only problem I've had with my A24 was when my resistor plugs shorted
out.... Don't ask. The ignition noise was that high on transmit that 2000'
away from the tower antenna they still couldn't copy me. I could hear them
strength 5. Luckily the cleared me to leave the zone.
The last time I used the radio, with new plugs amongst other things, I was
strength 5 at 26 miles and 500'asl.
The VOR is a nice little feature for headings just remember the radials are
true and the compass is magnetic. I find my radial and then fly the compass
keeping everything on the ground "looking right". I also carry a GPS but to
be honest I think it takes the fun out of navigation and I tend to fixate on
it a little if it try to navigate by it alone. It's handy to document the
flight as it records position speed and altitude.
Now if they could add a mode "C" transponder to it.... ;^}
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Lynn Matteson
> Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 9:51 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Handheld Trancievers
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>
> I had one in my IV until I bought and installed the A200 panel-mount
> unit. The A24 worked fine for me, and none of my test pilots
> for the 40
> hours complained.
>
> Lynn
> On Sunday, August 20, 2006, at 09:20 AM, Dan Billingsley wrote:
>
> > Last December I purchased one of the Icom A-24 Nav Coms. I
> had used it
> > several times to monitor frequencies, yet I hadn't used it
> to transmit
> > until our radio went south on the way back from Oshkosh
> this year. The
> > receiving (voice)does ok, however, transmitting is a
> different story.
> > I couldn't raise anyone. I found that towers couldn't
> receive me until
> > I was direct line of sight and within2 miles. My $50
> walkie talkies
> > beat the heck out of that!
> >
> > I wasn't impressed with the Nav end of it either. I have
> tried it on
> > several occasions flying to and from VOR's and if I rated it on a
> > scale of 1-10 I would give it a 2. I certainly couldn't depend on
> > it.... If I did I would end up in Timbuktu.
> >
> > I sent the radio in to Icom believing that there was a problem with
> > it. I got it back with a note indicating that it checked
> out fine on
> > the bench and that I should always use a well charged
> battery...hmmm.
> > Sound advice, that is if I hadn't already tested it with a freshly
> > charged battery. Of course it didn't work any better after I got it
> > back.
> >
> > So I was wondering if anyone else has tried using this unit with
> > better success?
> > Dan B.
> > Mesa
> > Kitfox IV (building) 314DW
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tailwheel Tango |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
I saw a fellow in '64 at the first EAA fly in at Rockford Ill. Run the
length of a runway in, I think it was a P51, dragging a wheel he had
installed on the top of his rudder... Yep that's right he was inverted.
Note to self...... Don't ever get that bored!!
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> kitfoxmike
> Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 11:49 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Tailwheel Tango
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com>
>
> I agree, who cares, as long as I'm flying. I just mainly
> prefer a stick over a steering wheel. Hah Hah, lets start a
> new one now, sticks over wheels. I was flying my number two
> favorate machine this weekend, put 500 miles on her. The BMW
> R1100RT. Now that's a fun machine, should have a sticker on
> it that says, "I'm not going fast just flying low". I laugh
> at the motorcycles that have a third wheel, triks. Ooops!
> here we go again on that one. Some of you are trying to
> figure how to do wheel landings, try touching on the left
> wheel, then raise up a little and touch on the right wheel.
> Or come in and drag the tail wheel about 50 feet or so down
> the runway. THis is way cool also, breaks the bordom, if you
> have any, or if you just want to impress the tower people.
>
> --------
> kitfoxmike
> kitfox4 1200 912ul speedster
> http://www.frappr.com/kitfoxmike
> rv7 wingkit
> reserved 287RV
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=56063#56063
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Ignition switch question |
The Circuit diagram sent will allow the 582 to run quite well with the
master turned off. that was a consideration I took into mind when I
installed the relay. It is only a battery master.
Shutting off the ignition switch will kill the engine. It grounds out
the
mag coils.
The original builder of my 'Fox put a 20A reset able breaker on the line
between the charging circuit and the battery. 20 A is plenty as the
charging circuit is only rated at 16A. Also because the exciter coils
for
the mags are separate from the lighting coils ( charging circuitry ) the
charging circuits can be manually pulled if you notice an over voltage
on
the system . the operating voltage is 13.8V. so if the voltage goes
over
15V its time to consider turning off the lighting coils (pulling that
breaker), landing at the next convenient field and have the voltage
regulator looked at.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kirkhull
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 12:14 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Ignition switch question
Don't forget you will want to be able to isolate the entire elect system
with out shutting off the engine. When I first wired my fox with a
Subaru
installed , I set it up like a Cessna. The problem was the Cessna uses
Mags
for the ignition so when I shut off the master on the fox it also shut
off
the ignition . Not good.
_____
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave G.
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 9:57 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Ignition switch question
On my Kitfox as wired the output from the rectifier (582 with the
original
rect) is wired directly to the positive battery bus with no cutoff. I
want
to add a cutoff to completely isolate the battery. I've seen diagrams
the
connect the rectifier output to the accessory terminal of the ignition
switch and there's no doubt this would accomplish my goal but I have
some
doubt the ACS switch can take it. It also has the drawback that you
cannot
isolate the rectifier without turning the ignition to off.
Motorcycles are commonly wired exactly as my aircraft is now, so perhaps
this is what most people do. So, whats the popular method?
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Kitfox-Fuel Flow |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Sometimes it is just a difference in tank pressure
caused by a leaking cap gasket. The one that leaks
feeds slower. Mine leaked a lot once on a x-country
and one tank drained to 2.5 gal before the4 other
started feeding. I swapped caps and it went the other
way. Easy way to check - just swap caps.
Kurt S. S-5
--- Algate <algate@attglobal.net> wrote:
> Good morning
>
> I flew a short cross country on the weekend from
> Barrie to the UPAC (Ultra
> Light Pilots Association Canada) convention near
> Waterloo (approx 100
> miles).
>
>
>
> My new acquisition performed great but I noticed
> that the pilot side tank
> drained at almost twice the rate of the Passenger
> side. I have heard stories
> that if you fly un-coordinated this can happen but I
> was definitely flying
> straight and true.
>
>
>
> When I landed I checked the fuel flow from the tank
> into the header but it
> was excellent (I have a large puddle to prove it).
>
>
>
> I have no valves in the system other than the main
> fuel shut off under the
> panel and although I'm sure that both tanks would
> eventually drain I really
> don't understand the variation. I have a low fuel
> warning mounted on my
> header so I will do some circuits to see if the
> tank drains completely
> before the other one starts to flow.
>
>
>
> Do I have a problem or is it normal to see unequal
> fuel flow?
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> Gary Algate
>
> Model 4 / Jab2200
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| Subject: | Re: Tailwheel Tango |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "spudnuts" <martan@cstone.net>
I'll agree with that, I hate steering wheels!
As far as tailwheel, I didn't mean to start a holy war here, it was a serious question.
I've read every response and have another tailwheel lesson lined up
for this week.
It looks like for a bush plane, going into small rough strips, you can't beat a
tailwheel. It takes some extra skill, (quite a bit I'm finding!) but a nose
wheel plane just ain't gonna cut it. Period.
However, for a less skilled pilot (me) who is only going into paved strips and
perhaps the occasional finely manicured grass strip, a nose wheel is easier to
land and take off and has an edge in heavy cross winds. A bonus is the insurance
companies (who run everything with statistics) will give me a better rate
with a nose wheel.
I agree with the tailwheelers, (and the head CFI here at my flight school too)
that learning to fly tailwheel makes you a better pilot. No question about it!
Which is why I am taking tailwheel lessons and going after my endorsement.
Now, do I want a tailwheel airplane? Well, for my application, not really.
I'm on the east coast in middle virgina. The only grass strips around here are
private, but there are TONS of small town airports with paved strips, cheap gas
and courtesy cars, not far from a grocery store. Most have camping on the
field. I love weekend fly-camping. Often near some water with some fishing and
a boat rental thrown in. Beer and steak on the grill and a night in the tent.
Ahh. I just want to get in and out as easily as possible. The extra risk
of 'loosing it' just that once and doing a ground loop or weathervane into a
ditch just isn't worth it to me. But that's just me.
Someone said in one of the posts, it's your airplane, you fly it for you, no one
else. Or something like that. I think thats 100% the answer I was looking
for.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=56091#56091
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Kitfox-Fuel Flow |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
There should be a little screw next to the knob. When
you loosen the screw, the knob should pull out and
allow you to turn only the window and not the
altitude, or the other way around - I forget which.
After you get the 2 in sink, push the knob back in
being careful to reengage the gears and tighten the
screw. Mine was fussy about it, but I got it done.
Kurt S.
--- Dave <dave@cfisher.com> wrote:
> Gary I have taken apart Altimeters and moved the
> barometric pressure gear one or two notches to
> adjust it to more accuarte setting.
>
>
>
> Dave
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Algate
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 10:33 AM
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: RE: Kitfox-Fuel Flow
>
>
> Thanks Don and Shane,
>
>
>
> I think that you are both probably right and I am
> probably chasing red herrings. As I am new to this
> plane I am probably just being over critical. I knew
> my last Kitfox inside out and trusted it implicitly
> - I guess I am just going to have to build up the
> same confidence level with this one.
>
>
>
> Another question - I found an adjustment for my
> VSI but not for the altimeter - is there a user
> friendly way to adjust these or is it an instrument
> technician job. My altimeter reads almost 600ft out
> !
>
>
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> Gary Algate
>
>
>
>
>
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On
> Behalf Of Shane Sather
> Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 9:51 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: RE: Kitfox-Fuel Flow
>
>
>
> Gary I notice the same difference on my Light 2
> also but not to the same extent. The pilot side
> always goes lower first. This has been noted by many
> others too and I don't recall that there was any
> real solution for this
>
>
>
> Shane.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Algate
>
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>
> Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 7:11 AM
>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: RE: Kitfox-Fuel Flow
>
>
>
> Good morning
>
>
>
> I flew a short cross country on the weekend from
> Barrie to the UPAC (Ultra Light Pilots Association
> Canada) convention near Waterloo (approx 100 miles).
>
>
>
> My new acquisition performed great but I
> noticed that the pilot side tank drained at almost
> twice the rate of the Passenger side. I have heard
> stories that if you fly un-coordinated this can
> happen but I was definitely flying straight and
> true.
>
>
>
> When I landed I checked the fuel flow from the
> tank into the header but it was excellent (I have a
> large puddle to prove it).
>
>
>
> I have no valves in the system other than the
> main fuel shut off under the panel and although I'm
> sure that both tanks would eventually drain I really
> don't understand the variation. I have a low fuel
> warning mounted on my header so I will do some
> circuits to see if the tank drains completely
> before the other one starts to flow.
>
>
>
> Do I have a problem or is it normal to see
> unequal fuel flow?
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> Gary Algate
>
> Model 4 / Jab2200
>
>
>
>
>
> ?~?,g(??MGqz
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Ignition switch question |
----- Original Message -----
From: kirkhull
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 11:44 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Ignition switch question
Don't forget you will want to be able to isolate the entire elect system
with out shutting off the engine. When I first wired my fox with a
Subaru installed , I set it up like a Cessna. The problem was the
Cessna uses Mags for the ignition so when I shut off the master on the
fox it also shut off the ignition . Not good.
========
The 582 uses the ground leads from the mag sensor to shut down the
engine so losing electrical power should not be an issue. You're right
in supposing that I wish to be able to shut down the entire or partial
electrical system without affecting the engine. I will be replacing the
rectifier eventually with one that does not require a load so that I can
isolate the battery and still run electrics should it become nescessary.
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| Subject: | Re: Ethanol and wing tanks Ethanol and wing tanks |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
I always looked at octane ratings as just a number based on some math that
never mattered to me. Very much like proof numbers on your dark rum it has
some relationship to a percentage and more may be better depending on your
goal. Now, how do we keep either from destroying our tanks and plumbing!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 10:54 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Ethanol and wing tanks Ethanol and wing tanks
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
>
>> "The octane number assigned to a motor fuel has very little to do
>> with the actual chemical "octanes" in the fuel..."
>
> ** That is the reason that it is possible to have an octane rating of more
> than 100.
>
> Now about that Champagne.....:-)
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tailwheel Tango |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
Oh, there you go Mike! Starting another arguement. You know as well as I
that BMW stopped making decent bikes with the demise of the airhead. My old
R60 is a "proper" Beemer, it's even black with white pins just as they
should be.
----- Original Message -----
From: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 11:19 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Tailwheel Tango
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com>
>
> I agree, who cares, as long as I'm flying. I just mainly prefer a stick
> over a steering wheel. Hah Hah, lets start a new one now, sticks over
> wheels. I was flying my number two favorate machine this weekend, put 500
> miles on her. The BMW R1100RT. Now that's a fun machine, should have a
> sticker on it that says, "I'm not going fast just flying low". I laugh at
> the motorcycles that have a third wheel, triks. Ooops! here we go again
> on that one. Some of you are trying to figure how to do wheel landings,
> try touching on the left wheel, then raise up a little and touch on the
> right wheel. Or come in and drag the tail wheel about 50 feet or so down
> the runway. THis is way cool also, breaks the bordom, if you have any, or
> if you just want to impress the tower people.
>
> --------
> kitfoxmike
> kitfox4 1200 912ul speedster
> http://www.frappr.com/kitfoxmike
> rv7 wingkit
> reserved 287RV
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=56063#56063
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tailwheel Tango |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Spudnuts,
So me valid points there on the two differances.
I would like to add that soft fields are a bous for taildraggers as well.
And I don't really think that you will land a trigear Kitfox in 15 to 25
knot x winds and not in a taildragger. It is all about yaw control and you
fly either till it lands on one,two or three wheels and still maintain
control throughout your roll out.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "spudnuts" <martan@cstone.net>
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 11:46 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Tailwheel Tango
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "spudnuts" <martan@cstone.net>
>
> I'll agree with that, I hate steering wheels!
>
> As far as tailwheel, I didn't mean to start a holy war here, it was a
> serious question. I've read every response and have another tailwheel
> lesson lined up for this week.
>
> It looks like for a bush plane, going into small rough strips, you can't
> beat a tailwheel. It takes some extra skill, (quite a bit I'm finding!)
> but a nose wheel plane just ain't gonna cut it. Period.
>
> However, for a less skilled pilot (me) who is only going into paved strips
> and perhaps the occasional finely manicured grass strip, a nose wheel is
> easier to land and take off and has an edge in heavy cross winds. A bonus
> is the insurance companies (who run everything with statistics) will give
> me a better rate with a nose wheel.
>
> I agree with the tailwheelers, (and the head CFI here at my flight school
> too) that learning to fly tailwheel makes you a better pilot. No question
> about it! Which is why I am taking tailwheel lessons and going after my
> endorsement.
>
> Now, do I want a tailwheel airplane? Well, for my application, not
> really.
>
> I'm on the east coast in middle virgina. The only grass strips around
> here are private, but there are TONS of small town airports with paved
> strips, cheap gas and courtesy cars, not far from a grocery store. Most
> have camping on the field. I love weekend fly-camping. Often near some
> water with some fishing and a boat rental thrown in. Beer and steak on
> the grill and a night in the tent. Ahh. I just want to get in and out as
> easily as possible. The extra risk of 'loosing it' just that once and
> doing a ground loop or weathervane into a ditch just isn't worth it to me.
> But that's just me.
>
> Someone said in one of the posts, it's your airplane, you fly it for you,
> no one else. Or something like that. I think thats 100% the answer I was
> looking for.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=56091#56091
>
>
>
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| Subject: | RE: ALtimeter adjustment - was Fuel Flow |
Thanks for asking that Gary. I have the same issue with my altimeter. Seems like
I'm adjusting it constantly to the GPS. It's so far out of whack that barometric
pressure reading has vanished form Kollsman window. I tried removing the
little screw next to the Kollsman adjustment knob (figuring it was a calibration
screw) and spent the next hour putting the little parts back in that came shooting
out.
By the way. I've also experience pilot side tank emptying faster. I have noticed
that fuel cap on that side vents better than the other one. Don't know if
that's the cause or a tendency to fly left wing high. I'm going to swap caps and
see if it makes a diff.
Algate <algate@attglobal.net> wrote:
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w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } Thanks Don and Shane,
I think that you are both probably right and I am probably chasing red herrings.
As I am new to this plane I am probably just being over critical. I knew my
last Kitfox inside out and trusted it implicitly I guess I am just going to
have to build up the same confidence level with this one.
Another question I found an adjustment for my VSI but not for the altimeter
is there a user friendly way to adjust these or is it an instrument technician
job. My altimeter reads almost 600ft out !
Regards
Gary Algate
---------------------------------
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Shane Sather
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 9:51 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: RE: Kitfox-Fuel Flow
Gary I notice the same difference on my Light 2 also but not to the same extent.
The pilot side always goes lower first. This has been noted by many others
too and I don't recall that there was any real solution for this
Shane.
----- Original Message -----
From: Algate
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 7:11 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: RE: Kitfox-Fuel Flow
Good morning
I flew a short cross country on the weekend from Barrie to the UPAC (Ultra Light
Pilots Association Canada) convention near Waterloo (approx 100 miles).
My new acquisition performed great but I noticed that the pilot side tank drained
at almost twice the rate of the Passenger side. I have heard stories that
if you fly un-coordinated this can happen but I was definitely flying straight
and true.
When I landed I checked the fuel flow from the tank into the header but it was
excellent (I have a large puddle to prove it).
I have no valves in the system other than the main fuel shut off under the panel
and although Im sure that both tanks would eventually drain I really dont
understand the variation. I have a low fuel warning mounted on my header so I
will do some circuits to see if the tank drains completely before the other
one starts to flow.
Do I have a problem or is it normal to see unequal fuel flow?
Regards
Gary Algate
Model 4 / Jab2200
?~?,g(??MGqz
Marco Menezes
Model 2 582 N99KX
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| Subject: | RE: Kitfox-Fuel Flow |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
Thanks Dave and Kurt
I will take a look at it this evening and if I get stuck will drop you a
line. Also to others thanks for the info re fuel drain - as I recall the
gasket fit on one of the fuel caps was much tighter than the other. When I
noticed this I made myself a note to replace both but really didn't make the
connection between fuel flow.
On another matter are there any Kitfox pilots in the Ottawa area that might
be available for some flight training. I have a friend in Westport that
purchased C-IGVW that could do with some assistance?
Regards
Gary Algate
Model 4/Jab2200
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kurt schrader
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: RE: Kitfox-Fuel Flow
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
<smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
There should be a little screw next to the knob. When
you loosen the screw, the knob should pull out and
allow you to turn only the window and not the
altitude, or the other way around - I forget which.
After you get the 2 in sink, push the knob back in
being careful to reengage the gears and tighten the
screw. Mine was fussy about it, but I got it done.
Kurt S.
--- Dave <dave@cfisher.com> wrote:
> Gary I have taken apart Altimeters and moved the
> barometric pressure gear one or two notches to
> adjust it to more accuarte setting.
>
>
>
> Dave
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Algate
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 10:33 AM
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: RE: Kitfox-Fuel Flow
>
>
> Thanks Don and Shane,
>
>
>
> I think that you are both probably right and I am
> probably chasing red herrings. As I am new to this
> plane I am probably just being over critical. I knew
> my last Kitfox inside out and trusted it implicitly
> - I guess I am just going to have to build up the
> same confidence level with this one.
>
>
>
> Another question - I found an adjustment for my
> VSI but not for the altimeter - is there a user
> friendly way to adjust these or is it an instrument
> technician job. My altimeter reads almost 600ft out
> !
>
>
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> Gary Algate
>
>
>
>
>
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
>
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On
> Behalf Of Shane Sather
> Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 9:51 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: RE: Kitfox-Fuel Flow
>
>
>
> Gary I notice the same difference on my Light 2
> also but not to the same extent. The pilot side
> always goes lower first. This has been noted by many
> others too and I don't recall that there was any
> real solution for this
>
>
>
> Shane.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Algate
>
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>
> Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 7:11 AM
>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: RE: Kitfox-Fuel Flow
>
>
>
> Good morning
>
>
>
> I flew a short cross country on the weekend from
> Barrie to the UPAC (Ultra Light Pilots Association
> Canada) convention near Waterloo (approx 100 miles).
>
>
>
> My new acquisition performed great but I
> noticed that the pilot side tank drained at almost
> twice the rate of the Passenger side. I have heard
> stories that if you fly un-coordinated this can
> happen but I was definitely flying straight and
> true.
>
>
>
> When I landed I checked the fuel flow from the
> tank into the header but it was excellent (I have a
> large puddle to prove it).
>
>
>
> I have no valves in the system other than the
> main fuel shut off under the panel and although I'm
> sure that both tanks would eventually drain I really
> don't understand the variation. I have a low fuel
> warning mounted on my header so I will do some
> circuits to see if the tank drains completely
> before the other one starts to flow.
>
>
>
> Do I have a problem or is it normal to see
> unequal fuel flow?
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> Gary Algate
>
> Model 4 / Jab2200
>
>
>
>
>
> ?~?,g(??MGqz
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Kitfox-Fuel Flow |
Gary, check the sealing surface of the fuel tank necks for any nicks or
imperfections. Both tanks must seal perfectly or they will have unequal
pressure from the pitots. This will cause the fuel in one tank to be
pushed over to the other tank.
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: Algate
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 9:11 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: RE: Kitfox-Fuel Flow
Good morning
I flew a short cross country on the weekend from Barrie to the UPAC
(Ultra Light Pilots Association Canada) convention near Waterloo (approx
100 miles).
My new acquisition performed great but I noticed that the pilot side
tank drained at almost twice the rate of the Passenger side. I have
heard stories that if you fly un-coordinated this can happen but I was
definitely flying straight and true.
When I landed I checked the fuel flow from the tank into the header
but it was excellent (I have a large puddle to prove it).
I have no valves in the system other than the main fuel shut off under
the panel and although I'm sure that both tanks would eventually drain
I really don't understand the variation. I have a low fuel warning
mounted on my header so I will do some circuits to see if the tank
drains completely before the other one starts to flow.
Do I have a problem or is it normal to see unequal fuel flow?
Regards
Gary Algate
Model 4 / Jab2200
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 1:10 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Tailwheel Tango
> And I don't really think that you will land a trigear Kitfox in 15 to 25
> knot x winds and not in a taildragger. It is all about yaw control and
> you fly either till it lands on one,two or three wheels and still
> maintain control throughout your roll out.
>
>
> Dave
I had the misfortune to have to land in a stiff x-wind once in the 152 I
rent. It was gusty and oddly I never had time to figure out just what the
x-wind component was. I landed fast with the nose wheel well clear of the
ground and kept it off until speed was down. I suspect I used skills that
will help with the 'fox when I finally have it flying but I put my success
down to sheer dumb luck. If it hadn't been for the "sheer dumb" part I'd
never have flown that day!!
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| Subject: | RE: ALtimeter adjustment |
Some of you may remember a thread a couple of months ago regarding a mystery marker(bug)
that moved around the circumference of a old altimeter. While at OSH
I asked one of the intrument dealers there about it. Apparently, it is a pressure
altitude indicator used on (much) higher performance aircraft.
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com>
Thanks for asking that Gary. I have the same issue with my altimeter. Seems like
I'm adjusting it constantly to the GPS. It's so far out of whack that barometric
pressure reading has vanished form Kollsman window. I tried removing the
little screw next to the Kollsman adjustment knob (figuring it was a calibration
screw) and spent the next hour putting the little parts back in that came shooting
out.
By the way. I've also experience pilot side tank emptying faster. I have noticed
that fuel cap on that side vents better than the other one. Don't know if that's
the cause or a tendency to fly left wing high. I'm going to swap caps and
see if it makes a diff.
Algate <algate@attglobal.net> wrote:
Thanks Don and Shane,
I think that you are both probably right and I am probably chasing red herrings.
As I am new to this plane I am probably just being over critical. I knew my
last Kitfox inside out and trusted it implicitly I guess I am just going to have
to build up the same confidence level with this one.
Another question I found an adjustment for my VSI but not for the altimeter is
there a user friendly way to adjust these or is it an instrument technician
job. My altimeter reads almost 600ft out !
Regards
Gary Algate
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Shane Sather
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 9:51 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: RE: Kitfox-Fuel Flow
Gary I notice the same difference on my Light 2 also but not to the same extent.
The pilot side always goes lower first. This has been noted by many others too
and I don't recall that there was any real solution for this
Shane.
----- Original Message -----
From: Algate
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 7:11 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: RE: Kitfox-Fuel Flow
Good morning
I flew a short cross country on the weekend from Barrie to the UPAC (Ultra Light
Pilots Association Canada) convention near Waterloo (approx 100 miles).
My new acquisition performed great but I noticed that the pilot side tank drained
at almost twice the rate of the Passenger side. I have heard stories that
if you fly un-coordinated this can happen but I was definitely flying straight
and true.
When I landed I checked the fuel flow from the tank into the header but it was
excellent (I have a large puddle to prove it).
I have no valves in the system other than the main fuel shut off under the panel
and although Im sure that both tanks would eventually drain I really dont understand
the variation. I have a low fuel warning mounted on my header so I will
do some circuits to see if the tank drains completely before the other one
starts to flow.
Do I have a problem or is it normal to see unequal fuel flow?
Regards
Gary Algate
Model 4 / Jab2200
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<DIV>Some of you may remember a thread a couple of months ago regarding a mystery
marker(bug) that moved around the circumference of a old altimeter. While
at OSH I asked one of the intrument dealers there about it. Apparently,
it is a pressure altitude indicator used on (much) higher performance aircraft.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px
solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR>From: Marco Menezes
<msm_9949@yahoo.com> <BR>
<DIV>Thanks for asking that Gary. I have the same issue with my altimeter. Seems
like I'm adjusting it constantly to the GPS. It's so far out of whack that barometric
pressure reading has vanished form Kollsman window. I tried removing
the little screw next to the Kollsman adjustment knob (figuring it was a calibration
screw) and spent the next hour putting the little parts back in that came
shooting out.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>By the way. I've also experience pilot side tank emptying faster. I have noticed
that fuel cap on that side vents better than the other one. Don't know
if that's the cause or a tendency to fly left wing high. I'm going to swap
caps and see if it makes a diff. <BR><BR><B><I>Algate <algate@attglobal.net></I></B>
wrote:</DIV>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Thanks Don and Shane,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I think that you are both probably right
and I am probably chasing red herrings. As I am new to this plane I am probably
just being over critical. I knew my last Kitfox inside out and trusted it
implicitly I guess I am just going to have to build up the same confidence level
with this one.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Another question I found an adjustment
for my VSI but not for the altimeter is there a user friendly way to adjust
these or is it an instrument technician job. My altimeter reads almost 600ft
out !<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
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<DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
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<DIV class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:PersonName w:st="on">owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com</st1:PersonName> [mailto:<st1:PersonName w:st="on">owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com</st1:PersonName>] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B><st1:PersonName w:st="on">Shane Sather</st1:PersonName><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Monday, August 21, 2006 9:51 AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">kitfox-list@matronics.com</st1:PersonName><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: Kitfox-List: RE: Kitfox-Fuel Flow</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></DIV></DIV>
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face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:
Arial"> I notice the same difference on my Light 2 also but not to the
same extent. The pilot side always goes lower first. This has been noted by
many others too and I don't recall that there was any real solution for this</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold;
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Kitfox-Fuel Flow<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I flew a short cross country on the weekend
from <st1:City w:st="on">Barrie</st1:City> to the UPAC (Ultra Light Pilots
Association Canada) convention near <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Waterloo</st1:City></st1:place>
(approx 100 miles).<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
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<DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">My new acquisition performed great but
I noticed that the pilot side tank drained at almost twice the rate of
the Passenger side. I have heard stories that if you fly un-coordinated this can
happen but I was definitely flying straight and true.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">When I landed I checked the fuel flow
from the tank into the header but it was excellent (I have a large puddle to prove
it).<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I have no valves in the system other than
the main fuel shut off under the panel and although Im sure that both
tanks would eventually drain I really dont understand the variation. I have
a low fuel warning mounted on my header so I will do some circuits to see if the
tank drains completely before the other one starts to flow.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
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<DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Do I have a problem or is it normal to
see unequal fuel flow?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Yes, mystery solved,
Kurt S.
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--- kerrjohna@comcast.net wrote:
> Some of you may remember a thread a couple of months
> ago regarding a mystery marker(bug) that moved
> around the circumference of a old altimeter. While
> at OSH I asked one of the intrument dealers there
> about it. Apparently, it is a pressure altitude
> indicator used on (much) higher performance
> aircraft.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com>
Ok on a crosswind, you won't be landing crosswind over 15mph with a kitfox, why?
because you head into the wind and land so slow you can do it cross runway with
the taxi way as the runout. You might as well open the door and pick up any
FOD that might be out there as well.
--------
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kitfox4 1200 912ul speedster
http://www.frappr.com/kitfoxmike
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Yes, dont remove the altimeter screw. I did that
too. Just loosen. It takes a bit of jiggling to
disengage the gears and the same to get them
reengaged. I believe you set the altitude first, then
pull the knob to reset the window only, then push
while wiggling to reengage the gears and then tighten
the screw.
Kurt S.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com>
I would never adjust my vertical to the GPS, why it's not all that accurate. I
can fly around the larger airports and fall within 100ft., but if I leave the
area and fly lets say outside 25 miles from the airport, the veritical is 300ft
off. Another concern is where you are pulling the static port, under the dash
and the altimiter is off about 100, outside the plane is generally most accurate.
I've played between inside and outside and both vertical and airspeed
is affected a bunch.
--------
kitfoxmike
kitfox4 1200 912ul speedster
http://www.frappr.com/kitfoxmike
rv7 wingkit
reserved 287RV
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com>
Hay! any BMW is better than a Harley. Wooooops! I did it again.
--------
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kitfox4 1200 912ul speedster
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| Subject: | Re: Michigan Kitfoxers |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Thanks Casey. I added Richard to the list and sent it out to the members.
Deke
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "casey flynn" <buddgravey@hotmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2006 9:47 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Michigan Kitfoxers
> >>Information needed (everything is optional)
> >> name Richard Lidgard
> >> phone number- 574-586-3482
> >> address -72621 willow trail, Walkerton, In. 46574
> >> email address- buddgravey@hotmail.com
> >> type aircraft and info regarding state of completion, flying, hours,
> >>engine, prop, etc- kitfox model IV-1200 have about 350hrs on airframe
100
> >>on rebuilt subaru EA-81 It is swinging a warp drive ground adjustable
> >>prop. Just wish I could fly more too many arms in the fire. Maybe later
> >>this fall with any luck at all.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Torgeir Mortensen" <torgemor@online.no>
Ahh,. This is the one I've been waiting for.
15 mph is equal to 13 kts.
Nice topics.
Torgeir.
On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 20:39:54 +0200, kitfoxmike <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com>
>
> Ok on a crosswind, you won't be landing crosswind over 15mph with a
> kitfox, why? because you head into the wind and land so slow you can do
> it cross runway with the taxi way as the runout. You might as well open
> the door and pick up any FOD that might be out there as well.
>
> --------
> kitfoxmike
> kitfox4 1200 912ul speedster
> http://www.frappr.com/kitfoxmike
> rv7 wingkit
> reserved 287RV
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=56125#56125
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: ALtimeter adjustment |
Static port is on left fuse toward the tail. All other static instruments work
fine. I'm pretty sure altimeter just needs a little calibration.
do not archive
kitfoxmike <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kitfoxmike"
I would never adjust my vertical to the GPS, why it's not all that accurate. I
can fly around the larger airports and fall within 100ft., but if I leave the
area and fly lets say outside 25 miles from the airport, the veritical is 300ft
off. Another concern is where you are pulling the static port, under the dash
and the altimiter is off about 100, outside the plane is generally most accurate.
I've played between inside and outside and both vertical and airspeed is
affected a bunch.
--------
kitfoxmike
kitfox4 1200 912ul speedster
http://www.frappr.com/kitfoxmike
rv7 wingkit
reserved 287RV
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Marco Menezes
Model 2 582 N99KX
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| Subject: | Re: ALtimeter adjustment |
has anyone had a problem with the recommended location of the static port on a
Classic IV? On take off, altitude drops +/- 100 feet as I get near rotation speed.
John Kerr
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kitfoxmike"
>
> I would never adjust my vertical to the GPS, why it's not all that accurate.
I
> can fly around the larger airports and fall within 100ft., but if I leave the
> area and fly lets say outside 25 miles from the airport, the veritical is 300ft
> off. Another concern is where you are pulling the static port, under the dash
> and the altimiter is off about 100, outside the plane is generally most
> accurate. I've played between inside and outside and both vertical and airspeed
> is affected a bunch.
>
> --------
> kitfoxmike
> kitfox4 1200 912ul speedster
> http://www.frappr.com/kitfoxmike
> rv7 wingkit
> reserved 287RV
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=56129#56129
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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<DIV>has anyone had a problem with the recommended location of the static port
on a Classic IV? On take off, altitude drops +/- 100 feet as I get near
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<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR>From: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com> <BR><BR>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kitfoxmike" <KITFOXMIKE@YAHOO.COM><BR>> <BR>> I would never adjust my vertical to the GPS, why it's not all that accurate. I <BR>> can fly around the larger airports and fall within 100ft., but if I leave the <BR>> area and fly lets say outside 25 miles from the airport, the veritical is 300ft <BR>> off. Another concern is where you are pulling the static port, under the dash <BR>> and the altimiter is off about 100, outside the plane is generally most <BR>> accurate. I've played between inside and outside and both vertical and airspeed <BR>> is affected a bunch. <BR>> <BR>> -------- <BR>> kitfoxmike <BR>> kitfox4 1200 912ul speedster <BR>> http://www.frappr.com/kitfoxmike <BR>> rv7 wingkit <BR>>
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| Subject: | Ignition switch question |
Sorry, got my messages mixed. I thought you were running a Subie.
Bradley
_____
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bradley M Webb
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 11:10 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Ignition switch question
Timely post, as I've just gone through the motions for this very thing. What
you want is to isolate the battery, and isolate the alternator separately.
This would require two solenoids. I got two continuous duty solenoids from a
golf cart shop, and wired them up according to this:
http://www.aeroelectric.com/DIY/DIY_Crowbar_OVP_F.pdf
Figure Z-24 is what you're after. Make sure you get CONTINUOUS DUTY
solenoids, not starter contactors.
Basically, the alternator goes through the solenoid to the loads, then to a
solenoid to the battery. The alternator solenoid is closed via an alternator
switch, and the battery solenoid is closed via the battery switch. My loads
(GPS, RADIO, EFIS, etc.) are on a bus that is powered by an "avionics"
master. It's really quite simple, and affords me the opportunity to isolate
whatever I need to if a problem occurs.
Consider this on your motor: The starter should be parallel to the
alternator. That is, if you need to shut down the alternator, don't kill the
starter, too. It's just in how you wire it up. Also, like the Geo, you have
an ECU, no? Don't kill the ECU power with the alternator switch. You need
juice to keep the motor running, but just disconnect the alternator to keep
the battery from frying.
Good luck,
Bradley
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave G.
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 10:57 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Ignition switch question
On my Kitfox as wired the output from the rectifier (582 with the original
rect) is wired directly to the positive battery bus with no cutoff. I want
to add a cutoff to completely isolate the battery. I've seen diagrams the
connect the rectifier output to the accessory terminal of the ignition
switch and there's no doubt this would accomplish my goal but I have some
doubt the ACS switch can take it. It also has the drawback that you cannot
isolate the rectifier without turning the ignition to off.
Motorcycles are commonly wired exactly as my aircraft is now, so perhaps
this is what most people do. So, whats the popular method?
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| Subject: | Re: ALtimeter adjustment |
If your altitude changes from runway altitude during acceleration for
takeoff and rotation your static port is in a bad location. Ours is a dual port
system flushmounted on the fuselage just under each door just below where a
pilots hand would be if the arm was hung out the doors. The GPS altitude is not
accurate enough for legal altimeter settings and if you monitor it in a
stationary position you will notice it varies quite a bit. Here in Houston at 23
ft
msl it has varied a hundred feet or so If your altimeter is in error by plus
or minus 75 feet it should not be used.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
John, I went to the Homebuilders special dual fork. I like it.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Oakley" <john@leptron.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2006 11:43 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: tail wheel
> Hi Guys,
>
> While we are still on the tail wheel thing, I would like to say that the
> best single item I replaced in 1000 hours in fox's was the tail wheel. I
> went to a matco pneumatic wheel last year and can say that is as close to
> a
> easy and straight run out I have ever had. Any one else change things?
>
>
> John Oakley
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox in Thailand? |
I really don't think very much of the child sex trade.
On 8/19/06, WBL <aeromer@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: WBL <aeromer@ix.netcom.com>
>
> Is Michel Gordillo still on the Kitfox list? I believe that he landed in
> Thailand on his epic Madrid to Oshkosh flight in 1998 and connected with
> some Kitfox builders in South Asia. I have met Kitfoxers in many countries
> around the world. A Google search usually comes up with aircraft type
> clubs, etc. AeroMer N102KM (tail dragger with amphib floats in the near
> future)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Colin Durey <colin@ptclhk.com>
> >Sent: Aug 19, 2006 4:13 PM
> >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox in Thailand?
> >
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Colin Durey" <colin@ptclhk.com>
> >
> >Hi Guys!,
> >
> > I'm about to do a work stint in Thailand for the next couple of months
> >(there goes the building schedule), and was wondering if anyone knows of
> >any Kitfoxes flying in Thailand. If there are any there, I'd like to try
> >and make contact to see if I can both look over their a/c and, if
> >possible, do a bit of flying.
> >
> >
> >Regards
> >
> >Colin Durey
> >Sydney
> >+61-418-677073 (M)
> >+61-2-945466162 (F)
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | RE: ALtimeter adjustment |
Actually, mine was a bit more complicated. Instrument had to come out of the airplane.
The screw on face of instrument had to come out completely and the pin
it screwed into, disengaged from the knob post before the knob would pull out.
Pulling knob out while turning it moves the Kollsman window altimeter reading,
so set your known elevation first, then pull out knob and set altimeter.
Now, does anyone know how to calibrate an rpm gauge? I have an ACS cheapo that
reads 500 with the engine shut down.
kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
Yes, dont remove the altimeter screw. I did that
too. Just loosen. It takes a bit of jiggling to
disengage the gears and the same to get them
reengaged. I believe you set the altitude first, then
pull the knob to reset the window only, then push
while wiggling to reengage the gears and then tighten
the screw.
Kurt S.
__________________________________________________
Marco Menezes
Model 2 582 N99KX
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox for sale |
Hatemail for it being too cheap? Gezz... sounds like Karl Marx flies a
KitFox!
These losers need to realize that the market sets the price, not so
misguided love affair with what amounts to someones homebrew airplane. I've
seen these planes sell in the $10K-$12K range while the $20K+ ones sit on
the market for months and months.
Good luck
-John
On 8/18/06, Don Smythe <dosmythe@cox.net> wrote:
>
>
> To All,
> As you know, I advertised my 2000 Classic IV (582) for sale a couple
> weeks ago (on the list only) for $20K. So far I have received 7 off list
> responses. One of the folks just flew up today from NC to take a look and
> go for a test flight. We were up about 15 minutes cruising just shy of 90
> MPH @ 5800 and he decided he wanted something faster. So, my Classic IV is
> still on the market if anyone might be interested. Please feel free to pass
> the word to anyone not on the list and give them my email.
> I was asked last time, "Why was I selling". Answer, my interest have
> change to new and different things. I also received a couple hate mails
> (not really) for selling too cheap. I hate to sell things and when I decide
> to sell, I price it to sell now and not have to wait forever. That's just
> my way.
>
> Thanks,
> Don Smythe
> dosmythe@cox.net
>
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Kitfox-Fuel Flow |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Gary,
We discussed this on our trip and one guy suggested that the fuel flow has
to do with the vent on the right tank. His thinking is - and I sort of
agree with it - that the pitot on the fuel cap gives some pressure on the
left tank - thought to be 1 or so psi. The right tank is vented and the
pitot pressure on that tank is neutralized by the vent which tend to
pressurize the header tank rather than the wing tank.
The most significant thing, though, is that it is no problem unless you
don't like the assymetry.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 6:11 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: RE: Kitfox-Fuel Flow
> Good morning
>
>
> I flew a short cross country on the weekend from Barrie to the UPAC (Ultra
> Light Pilots Association Canada) convention near Waterloo (approx 100
> miles).
>
>
> My new acquisition performed great but I noticed that the pilot side tank
> drained at almost twice the rate of the Passenger side. I have heard
> stories
> that if you fly un-coordinated this can happen but I was definitely flying
> straight and true.
>
>
> When I landed I checked the fuel flow from the tank into the header but it
> was excellent (I have a large puddle to prove it).
>
>
> I have no valves in the system other than the main fuel shut off under the
> panel and although I'm sure that both tanks would eventually drain I
> really
> don't understand the variation. I have a low fuel warning mounted on my
> header so I will do some circuits to see if the tank drains completely
> before the other one starts to flow.
>
>
> Do I have a problem or is it normal to see unequal fuel flow?
>
>
> Regards
>
>
> Gary Algate
>
> Model 4 / Jab2200
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Ethanol and wing tanks Ethanol and |
wing tanks
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Michael,
At least the rest of us understand.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 6:54 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Ethanol and wing tanks Ethanol and wing tanks
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
>
>> "The octane number assigned to a motor fuel has very little to do
>> with the actual chemical "octanes" in the fuel..."
>
> ** That is the reason that it is possible to have an octane rating of more
> than 100.
>
> Now about that Champagne.....:-)
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Handheld Trancievers |
I had one for a back up. Made a little adaptor plate with a bulkhead
BNC, small hanger mount for the radio and a composite flute antenna
under the glare shield. Worked extremely well and also doubled for a VOR
since the antenna was a com/nav antenna. The radio has the switching
device built in so no need for any type of transfer device. Still have
the set up if anyone is interested.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Noel Loveys
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 8:02 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Handheld Trancievers
Another neat idea from a ham! I never thought of that because I
generally only used the ducks portable.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Crowder
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 2:23 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Handheld Trancievers
Regarding handheld radios with rubber duckies, during my more active ham
radio days I was using a 2 meter radio and also a business band radio
that used an adjoining frequency and as in aircraft when inside of a
automobile, the effectiveness of the radios was greatly reduced. I
purchased a magnetic antenna mount with attached antenna cable. One
could attach an antenna of choice via a baronet coupling. I found that
attaching the rubber duckie antenna from the handheld was as good as any
much longer antenna and greatly improved the radio performance when set
a top the vehicle roof using the magnetic mount.
With a aircraft, one could install a baronet compatible receptacle with
an appropriate length cable to the inside of the aircraft and then when
needed, attach it to the radio. The small rubber duckie antenna could
when need be attached to the mount and would display a small profile for
wind resistance.
Jim Crowder
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Kitfox-Fuel Flow |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Totally agree with Don. We had an interesting experience on our first Idaho
trip. Two of the pilots met up with the rest of us at Elk City. One of
those guys was all Ga Ga over his fuel flow and insisted that we take the
time to check out his system. The adult son of one of the regulars - a
mechanical type by profession - actually disassembled the fuel lines and
using a can, did a timed fuel flow test. The flow results were exactly the
same.
With all the Kitfoxes out there, I have never heard of an airplane sucking
air as one tank emptied and the other remained full. My last trip home from
the Utah fly-in and the 30 minute descent from the 10,000 ft Sierra crossing
to my home's 1300 ft. I saw six gallons on one tank and no fuel in the sight
gauge on the other and no blinks from a very sensitive low fuel sensor over
the header tank. And I was watching indeed as this is the unporting pitch
position on the old tanks.
With a properly constructed fuel system, it is simply nothing more than a
cosmetic phenomenon.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 6:59 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: RE: Kitfox-Fuel Flow
Gary,
That is a problem (or not) that has been discussed many times. One
thing that I have never seen is someone saying that one tank was
"completely" drained while the other still had lots of fuel. That would
make things real interesting. I have a feeling that this would never
happen. At some point, the full tank has to start feeding the header more
than the empty one?????? unless of course, one tank has a blockage.
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: Algate
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 9:11 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: RE: Kitfox-Fuel Flow
Good morning
I flew a short cross country on the weekend from Barrie to the UPAC (Ultra
Light Pilots Association Canada) convention near Waterloo (approx 100
miles).
My new acquisition performed great but I noticed that the pilot side tank
drained at almost twice the rate of the Passenger side. I have heard stories
that if you fly un-coordinated this can happen but I was definitely flying
straight and true.
When I landed I checked the fuel flow from the tank into the header but it
was excellent (I have a large puddle to prove it).
I have no valves in the system other than the main fuel shut off under the
panel and although I'm sure that both tanks would eventually drain I really
don't understand the variation. I have a low fuel warning mounted on my
header so I will do some circuits to see if the tank drains completely
before the other one starts to flow.
Do I have a problem or is it normal to see unequal fuel flow?
Regards
Gary Algate
Model 4 / Jab2200
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| Subject: | Re: Tailwheel Tango |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Good point mike. Another major benefit of a tailwheel is the water skiing
seen with the South African T-6s. We have a couple of guys that do that a
lot and the third wouldn't do it this trip as he was in a tri gear Rans
rather than in his tail wheel Rans. Following him, I could see his good
judgement, as in flying configuration his nose wheel was a couple of inches
below his mains. That might have made a rather spectacular video if he had
sunk the single out front before the mains.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 7:19 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Tailwheel Tango
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com>
>
> I agree, who cares, as long as I'm flying. I just mainly prefer a stick
> over a steering wheel. Hah Hah, lets start a new one now, sticks over
> wheels. I was flying my number two favorate machine this weekend, put 500
> miles on her. The BMW R1100RT. Now that's a fun machine, should have a
> sticker on it that says, "I'm not going fast just flying low". I laugh at
> the motorcycles that have a third wheel, triks. Ooops! here we go again
> on that one. Some of you are trying to figure how to do wheel landings,
> try touching on the left wheel, then raise up a little and touch on the
> right wheel. Or come in and drag the tail wheel about 50 feet or so down
> the runway. THis is way cool also, breaks the bordom, if you have any, or
> if you just want to impress the tower people.
>
> --------
> kitfoxmike
> kitfox4 1200 912ul speedster
> http://www.frappr.com/kitfoxmike
> rv7 wingkit
> reserved 287RV
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=56063#56063
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Kitfox-Fuel Flow |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Also, I have mud mud wasps lately making nests inside pitot tubes on gas
caps.
Try blowing through each preflight.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 4:46 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: RE: Kitfox-Fuel Flow
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Gary,
>
> We discussed this on our trip and one guy suggested that the fuel flow has
> to do with the vent on the right tank. His thinking is - and I sort of
> agree with it - that the pitot on the fuel cap gives some pressure on the
> left tank - thought to be 1 or so psi. The right tank is vented and the
> pitot pressure on that tank is neutralized by the vent which tend to
> pressurize the header tank rather than the wing tank.
>
> The most significant thing, though, is that it is no problem unless you
> don't like the assymetry.
>
> Lowell
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 6:11 AM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: RE: Kitfox-Fuel Flow
>
>
>> Good morning
>>
>>
>>
>> I flew a short cross country on the weekend from Barrie to the UPAC
>> (Ultra
>> Light Pilots Association Canada) convention near Waterloo (approx 100
>> miles).
>>
>>
>>
>> My new acquisition performed great but I noticed that the pilot side
>> tank
>> drained at almost twice the rate of the Passenger side. I have heard
>> stories
>> that if you fly un-coordinated this can happen but I was definitely
>> flying
>> straight and true.
>>
>>
>>
>> When I landed I checked the fuel flow from the tank into the header but
>> it
>> was excellent (I have a large puddle to prove it).
>>
>>
>>
>> I have no valves in the system other than the main fuel shut off under
>> the
>> panel and although I'm sure that both tanks would eventually drain I
>> really
>> don't understand the variation. I have a low fuel warning mounted on my
>> header so I will do some circuits to see if the tank drains completely
>> before the other one starts to flow.
>>
>>
>>
>> Do I have a problem or is it normal to see unequal fuel flow?
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>>
>>
>> Gary Algate
>>
>> Model 4 / Jab2200
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com>
About 750 hrs on the fox and I can't say I've done much to the tail wheel other
than look at it, day in and day out. Although I will say I need to be careful
with the tail at the big airport, seems the lights down the center and on the
sides like to give the tail wheel a good bounce if I hit one. My skill has
to come in so that I land just to the left of center about a foot and that puts
it just about right to miss both the light in the center and on the left. If
I hit the lights on the left they make the airplane move just a little hitting
the main wheel.
--------
kitfoxmike
kitfox4 1200 912ul speedster
http://www.frappr.com/kitfoxmike
rv7 wingkit
reserved 287RV
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Kitfox-Fuel Flow |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
I have removed the finger screens in both tanks, as well as the
quick-drains in each tank, per suggestions from this group. I stole an
idea from Bill Willyard (thanks, Bill) and used a quarter-turn shutoff
valve in each fuel line (8 inches down from the tanks) just ahead of an
in-line Purolator glass filter (now sold by NAPA) then down to my
header tank (thanks Deke) which acts as a gascolator. I use this as my
sump drain to check for water, contaminants, etc. One of these days
I'll use a suction gun to get right down to the bottom of the header
tank and see what has accumulated there. From the header tank I go
through another glass filter before the Facet pump and then onto the
Jabiru's mechanical pump.
Like you Gary, I have seen my tanks use a little more from one side
than the other, then it will change. Because I'm learning to fly, I am
practicing maneuvers, and probably doing more to one side than the
other on occasion. When I hangar the plane, I park it level, and the
next day the tanks are equal, as I leave the tank valves open and
things normalize overnight.
One of these days, I'll shut off the two feed lines and see how my
low-fuel warning system works....maybe while cruising right over the
airport. : )
Lynn
Kitfox IV Speedster...Jabiru 2200
On Monday, August 21, 2006, at 09:11 AM, Algate wrote:
> Good morning
>
>
>
> I flew a short cross country on the weekend from Barrie to the UPAC
> (Ultra Light Pilots Association Canada) convention near Waterloo
> (approx 100 miles).
>
>
>
> My new acquisition performed great but I noticed that the pilot side
> tank drained at almost twice the rate of the Passenger side. I have
> heard stories that if you fly un-coordinated this can happen but I was
> definitely flying straight and true.
>
>
>
> When I landed I checked the fuel flow from the tank into the header
> but it was excellent (I have a large puddle to prove it).
>
>
>
> I have no valves in the system other than the main fuel shut off under
> the panel and although Im sure that both tanks would eventually
> drain I really dont understand the variation. I have a low fuel
> warning mounted on my header so I will do some circuits to see if the
> tank drains completely before the other one starts to flow.
>
>
>
> Do I have a problem or is it normal to see unequal fuel flow?
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> Gary Algate
>
> Model 4 / Jab2200
>
>
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| Subject: | RE: Kitfox-Fuel Flow |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
Thanks Lowell
I wouldn't have even been concerned but my last plane had a single wing tank
and a 10 Gal Panel tank. I noticed on a few occasions that the fuel would
stop flowing from the wing if I used a lot of flap or carried out a long
descent with low wing tank. I could see this because I had a clear fuel line
but it was never an issue as I had a panel tank that I could easily see
remaining fuel level. I actually fitted a primer bulb between the wing tank
and panel tank which made it extremely easy to re-start the flow if the wing
tank ever un-ported.
With my new plane having dual wing tanks and a hidden header tank I have no
visual perception of what is going on so that is why I immediately fitted
the low fuel level sensor on the small header tank behind my seat and my
ensuing question re fuel flow.
With all of the responses it appears that my concerns are not that valid
Thanks again
Gary Algate
Model 4/Jab2400
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 4:46 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: RE: Kitfox-Fuel Flow
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Gary,
We discussed this on our trip and one guy suggested that the fuel flow has
to do with the vent on the right tank. His thinking is - and I sort of
agree with it - that the pitot on the fuel cap gives some pressure on the
left tank - thought to be 1 or so psi. The right tank is vented and the
pitot pressure on that tank is neutralized by the vent which tend to
pressurize the header tank rather than the wing tank.
The most significant thing, though, is that it is no problem unless you
don't like the assymetry.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 6:11 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: RE: Kitfox-Fuel Flow
> Good morning
>
>
> I flew a short cross country on the weekend from Barrie to the UPAC (Ultra
> Light Pilots Association Canada) convention near Waterloo (approx 100
> miles).
>
>
> My new acquisition performed great but I noticed that the pilot side tank
> drained at almost twice the rate of the Passenger side. I have heard
> stories
> that if you fly un-coordinated this can happen but I was definitely flying
> straight and true.
>
>
> When I landed I checked the fuel flow from the tank into the header but it
> was excellent (I have a large puddle to prove it).
>
>
> I have no valves in the system other than the main fuel shut off under the
> panel and although I'm sure that both tanks would eventually drain I
> really
> don't understand the variation. I have a low fuel warning mounted on my
> header so I will do some circuits to see if the tank drains completely
> before the other one starts to flow.
>
>
> Do I have a problem or is it normal to see unequal fuel flow?
>
>
> Regards
>
>
> Gary Algate
>
> Model 4 / Jab2200
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: ALtimeter adjustment |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com>
The only way I would mess with an my vertical is to set altimeter and then adjust
to known altitude on the ground. If there are any other problems, send the
unit in for repairs or replace. My static is where skystar put it in the plans.
I also have a transponder and my altitude is what shows on the radar. Well,
within 100ft. anyway. I don't care if it's that percise. But the main thing
is it doesn't vary while I'm flying. But the Gps does. Like I said earlier,
the Gps will loose out the farther I get away from the big airport. I think
either my Gps needs to be hooked to an external entenna, or the accuracy is
dropped as you get away from the big airports. You know, classC and classB
airports.
--------
kitfoxmike
kitfox4 1200 912ul speedster
http://www.frappr.com/kitfoxmike
rv7 wingkit
reserved 287RV
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Oakley" <john@leptron.com>
Lowell,
I also had my CAP rebuilt with the new hub last winter and it is much
smoother that ever. Works way better.
John
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
John, I went to the Homebuilders special dual fork. I like it.
> Hi Guys,
>
> While we are still on the tail wheel thing, I would like to say that the
> best single item I replaced in 1000 hours in fox's was the tail wheel. I
> went to a matco pneumatic wheel last year and can say that is as close to
> a
> easy and straight run out I have ever had. Any one else change things?
>
>
> John Oakley
>
>
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| Subject: | Kitfox in Thailand? |
What does this have to do with Kitfoxes?
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John Galt
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 3:38 PM
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox in Thailand?
I really don't think very much of the child sex trade.
On 8/19/06, WBL <aeromer@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: WBL <aeromer@ix.netcom.com >
Is Michel Gordillo still on the Kitfox list? I believe that he landed
in Thailand on his epic Madrid to Oshkosh flight in 1998 and connected with
some Kitfox builders in South Asia. I have met Kitfoxers in many countries
around the world. A Google search usually comes up with aircraft type
clubs, etc. AeroMer N102KM (tail dragger with amphib floats in the near
future)
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Oakley" <john@leptron.com>
Lowell,
The tail wheel you used was the one I really wanted, but, no one had them
when I bought. I am not unhappy with the matco though.
I am looking at buying a new set of mains and have seen some from Italy and
grove also, any one else try something different?
John
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
John, I went to the Homebuilders special dual fork. I like it.
Lowell
> Hi Guys,
>
> While we are still on the tail wheel thing, I would like to say that the
> best single item I replaced in 1000 hours in fox's was the tail wheel. I
> went to a matco pneumatic wheel last year and can say that is as close to
> a
> easy and straight run out I have ever had. Any one else change things?
>
>
> John Oakley
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Kitfox-Fuel Flow |
What about an equalizing "vent line" between the two tanks. That's what
my C-150 does, but it doesn't completely flow equally either, since the
Cessna vent is located in the Pilots tank ONLY. Were the Kitfoxes are
Vented using the fill cap on each tank, the cross flow vent ( above fuel
level) might improve this. What do you think??? Bob U.
----- Original Message -----
From: Shane Sather
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 8:51 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: RE: Kitfox-Fuel Flow
Gary I notice the same difference on my Light 2 also but not to the
same extent. The pilot side always goes lower first. This has been noted
by many others too and I don't recall that there was any real solution
for this
Shane.
----- Original Message -----
From: Algate
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 7:11 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: RE: Kitfox-Fuel Flow
Good morning
I flew a short cross country on the weekend from Barrie to the UPAC
(Ultra Light Pilots Association Canada) convention near Waterloo (approx
100 miles).
My new acquisition performed great but I noticed that the pilot
side tank drained at almost twice the rate of the Passenger side. I have
heard stories that if you fly un-coordinated this can happen but I was
definitely flying straight and true.
When I landed I checked the fuel flow from the tank into the header
but it was excellent (I have a large puddle to prove it).
I have no valves in the system other than the main fuel shut off
under the panel and although I'm sure that both tanks would eventually
drain I really don't understand the variation. I have a low fuel warning
mounted on my header so I will do some circuits to see if the tank
drains completely before the other one starts to flow.
Do I have a problem or is it normal to see unequal fuel flow?
Regards
Gary Algate
Model 4 / Jab2200
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This is not a kitfox, but if you love flying you will like these pictures.
The USA by air
Here is one mans journey from California to Oshkosh Wisconsin and back... A
nice trip. If you
love great photography and airplanes you found it! Go to:
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| Subject: | Re: Tailwheel Tango |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net>
The reason I flew my Model III as a tailwheel and will fly my Series 7 in tailwheel
configuration was confirmed by an incident my buddy had about a month ago
while landing at a realatively benign strip in the Idaho backcountry...he was
in his 182.
In short, he went into this strip (which he had been into numerous times before)
to camp with some friends and do some fishing. On Sunday they got up to fly
home and decided to walk the strip once before starting the takeoff roll. The
reason for the walk was to pickout all major gopher holes. They made a thourough
inspection and marked all major holes then began their taxi to the downwind
side of the strip. During this taxi, a hole that was not seen in the previous
inspection swallowed his nose wheel and he had a pretty major prop strike!
His 182 is still in the A&P's hanger and is going through a complete teardown
(he is consequently considering a full rebuild to 0-time the engine) and while
the insurance is covering a major part of it, it is still a major cost to
him in dollars and lost flying time.
I think the worst part of it is that he now will not go into these strips and has
lost some major utility of his airplane due to his fear of hitting another
unseen gopher hole. I have talked to him alot about it and he is confident that
had he been in my Fox or in any tailwheel, he would have either bounced through
the hole or at worst caught the wheel and turned him a bit (he was taxiing
at around 1 mph estimated).
I know of another fellow who tried a landing on the salt flats of the Great Salt
Lake and buried the nosewheel and had a prop strike (lucky he was travelling
very slowly or it would have likely flipped). I have landed countless times
on the soft sand and have not had a single problem.
There are definately pros and cons to each setup but for the type of flying I like
to do, the tailwheel is the only setup for me. I also like the challenge
of landing the tailwheel...I don't think it is harder, simply requires a bit more
attention and keeps you on your toes. I think pilots who have never landed
a tailwheel tend to overexaggerate the difficulties involved. I for one love
tailwheels!
Darin
Ex Model III flyer (Tailwheel)
Current Series 7 builder (of course tailwheel)
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| Subject: | Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you want ;-) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net>
I am currently building a Series 7 and started wondering if there are any other
builders located near Salt Lake City, Utah. Then I started wondering what the
general demographic of our group looked like (age wise). I figured this would
be a fun topic and I may get to now some of you better by putting it out there.
I will start with myself...I am 30 and have owned a Model III and am currently
building a Series 7 (almost finished with the Fuse).
If there are any of you that are located near Salt Lake City, Utah let me know,
I wouldn't mind some moral support/encouragement while building.
Darin
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you want ;-) |
51 yo, flying a Vixen
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you want ;-) |
62 flying a model II south east idaho
Dee
Do not achive
----- Original Message -----
From: Forfun3@aol.com<mailto:Forfun3@aol.com>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 6:33 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if
you want ;-)
51 yo, flying a Vixen
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List<http://www.matronics.com/N
avigator?Kitfox-List>
http://www.matronics.com/contribution<http://www.matronics.com/contributi
on>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you want ;-) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dave and Diane <ddsyverson@comcast.net>
Darin,
This is Dave S from Minnesnowta - my model 7 has its training wheel on the
front to hold up a Rotax 912ULS. I am figuring 3200 hours TBO on the Rotax
'cuz I paid for it twice.
Oh - that's right - looking for cronological data. Let's put it this way -
the reason I am working so diligently to get mine done is so I will be able
to use it before I gain so much maturity that all I can do is teach a class
on how to read bullalo chips up on the res'. Just multiply your cumulative
experience on this planet by two.... there you have it.
Dave S
Do Not Archive
On Monday 21 August 2006 7:23 pm, darinh wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net>
>
> I am currently building a Series 7 and started wondering if there are any
> other builders located near Salt Lake City, Utah. Then I started wondering
> what the general demographic of our group looked like (age wise). I
> figured this would be a fun topic and I may get to now some of you better
> by putting it out there.
>
> I will start with myself...I am 30 and have owned a Model III and am
> currently building a Series 7 (almost finished with the Fuse).
>
> If there are any of you that are located near Salt Lake City, Utah let me
> know, I wouldn't mind some moral support/encouragement while building.
>
> Darin
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=56191#56191
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you want ;-) |
Don Smythe 60+1 week and trying to sell out.
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Dee Young
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 9:07 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if
you want ;-)
62 flying a model II south east idaho
Dee
Do not achive
----- Original Message -----
From: Forfun3@aol.com
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 6:33 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if
you want ;-)
51 yo, flying a Vixen
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Great photos John. Thanks for sending the link.
Deke
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: John Oakley
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 7:56 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List:
This is not a kitfox, but if you love flying you will like these
pictures.
The USA by air
Here is one mans journey from California to Oshkosh Wisconsin and
back... A nice trip. If you
love great photography and airplanes you found it! Go to:
http://silvairehair2.home.comcast.net/072806
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Kitfox-Fuel Flow |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Bob,
I don't understand. Before I worry about fixes, I like to be able to
understand the problem. Can you explain the problem so I can understand it?
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@mcmsys.com>
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 4:58 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: RE: Kitfox-Fuel Flow
What about an equalizing "vent line" between the two tanks. That's what my
C-150 does, but it doesn't completely flow equally either, since the Cessna
vent is located in the Pilots tank ONLY. Were the Kitfoxes are Vented using
the fill cap on each tank, the cross flow vent ( above fuel level) might
improve this. What do you think??? Bob U.
----- Original Message -----
From: Shane Sather
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 8:51 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: RE: Kitfox-Fuel Flow
Gary I notice the same difference on my Light 2 also but not to the same
extent. The pilot side always goes lower first. This has been noted by many
others too and I don't recall that there was any real solution for this
Shane.
----- Original Message -----
From: Algate
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 7:11 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: RE: Kitfox-Fuel Flow
Good morning
I flew a short cross country on the weekend from Barrie to the UPAC
(Ultra Light Pilots Association Canada) convention near Waterloo (approx 100
miles).
My new acquisition performed great but I noticed that the pilot side
tank drained at almost twice the rate of the Passenger side. I have heard
stories that if you fly un-coordinated this can happen but I was definitely
flying straight and true.
When I landed I checked the fuel flow from the tank into the header but
it was excellent (I have a large puddle to prove it).
I have no valves in the system other than the main fuel shut off under
the panel and although I'm sure that both tanks would eventually drain I
really don't understand the variation. I have a low fuel warning mounted on
my header so I will do some circuits to see if the tank drains completely
before the other one starts to flow.
Do I have a problem or is it normal to see unequal fuel flow?
Regards
Gary Algate
Model 4 / Jab2200
>~?,g(-SMGqz1 jgr?z{?j)nW?ygSs?rsr{n?rf
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| Subject: | Re: Tailwheel Tango |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
This is a great reply in my opinion. I have 20 inch tires on my mains and
it would take a major gopher hole to swallow one of these puppies. At
Oshkosh two years ago there was one homebuilt that had similar tires on the
mains as well as the nose wheel. Major drag, I suspect.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net>
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 5:07 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Tailwheel Tango
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net>
>
> The reason I flew my Model III as a tailwheel and will fly my Series 7 in
> tailwheel configuration was confirmed by an incident my buddy had about a
> month ago while landing at a realatively benign strip in the Idaho
> backcountry...he was in his 182.
>
> In short, he went into this strip (which he had been into numerous times
> before) to camp with some friends and do some fishing. On Sunday they got
> up to fly home and decided to walk the strip once before starting the
> takeoff roll. The reason for the walk was to pickout all major gopher
> holes. They made a thourough inspection and marked all major holes then
> began their taxi to the downwind side of the strip. During this taxi, a
> hole that was not seen in the previous inspection swallowed his nose wheel
> and he had a pretty major prop strike! His 182 is still in the A&P's
> hanger and is going through a complete teardown (he is consequently
> considering a full rebuild to 0-time the engine) and while the insurance
> is covering a major part of it, it is still a major cost to him in dollars
> and lost flying time.
>
> I think the worst part of it is that he now will not go into these strips
> and has lost some major utility of his airplane due to his fear of hitting
> another unseen gopher hole. I have talked to him alot about it and he is
> confident that had he been in my Fox or in any tailwheel, he would have
> either bounced through the hole or at worst caught the wheel and turned
> him a bit (he was taxiing at around 1 mph estimated).
>
> I know of another fellow who tried a landing on the salt flats of the
> Great Salt Lake and buried the nosewheel and had a prop strike (lucky he
> was travelling very slowly or it would have likely flipped). I have
> landed countless times on the soft sand and have not had a single problem.
>
> There are definately pros and cons to each setup but for the type of
> flying I like to do, the tailwheel is the only setup for me. I also like
> the challenge of landing the tailwheel...I don't think it is harder,
> simply requires a bit more attention and keeps you on your toes. I think
> pilots who have never landed a tailwheel tend to overexaggerate the
> difficulties involved. I for one love tailwheels!
>
> Darin
> Ex Model III flyer (Tailwheel)
> Current Series 7 builder (of course tailwheel)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=56188#56188
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you want ;-) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Let's see, this is 2006, that makes my 65, I think.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net>
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 5:23 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you want
;-)
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net>
>
> I am currently building a Series 7 and started wondering if there are any
> other builders located near Salt Lake City, Utah. Then I started
> wondering what the general demographic of our group looked like (age
> wise). I figured this would be a fun topic and I may get to now some of
> you better by putting it out there.
>
> I will start with myself...I am 30 and have owned a Model III and am
> currently building a Series 7 (almost finished with the Fuse).
>
> If there are any of you that are located near Salt Lake City, Utah let me
> know, I wouldn't mind some moral support/encouragement while building.
>
> Darin
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=56191#56191
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax Service Bulletin Compliance |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Scott, go to the Rotax Owners Association website and do a search on your
serial number.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Patterson" <scott@lifeseeker.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 4:46 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Rotax Service Bulletin Compliance
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Scott Patterson <scott@lifeseeker.com>
>
> Fellow Kitfox Aviators,
>
> I'm purchasing a Model IV with a Rotax 912UL. Twenty-five service
> bulletins
> exist for that engine. What procedure did most of you follow to ensure
> compliance?
>
> I was intending to have a Rotax Airworthiness Representative inspect for
> compliance of all such repairs not specifically addressed in the engine
> logbook.
>
>
> --
>
> Scott Patterson
>
> S & P Brokerage, LLC
> 1339 Playa Azul, PO Box 2588
> Avalon, CA 90704
>
> 310-510-2392 Office
> 310-510-2371 Fax
> 310-433-7728 Cell
>
> scott@spbrokerage.com
>
>
> Check Out My Recently Published Novel:
>
> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1425937810
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you want ;-) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kirkhull" <kirkhull@sbcglobal.net>
Kirk hull 35, in Kansas city. I have a classic VI with a Subaru which will
fly again as soon as the engine gets but back together. It was still under
warranty so I sent it back to stratus
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of darinh
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 7:23 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you want
;-)
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net>
I am currently building a Series 7 and started wondering if there are any
other builders located near Salt Lake City, Utah. Then I started wondering
what the general demographic of our group looked like (age wise). I figured
this would be a fun topic and I may get to now some of you better by putting
it out there.
I will start with myself...I am 30 and have owned a Model III and am
currently building a Series 7 (almost finished with the Fuse).
If there are any of you that are located near Salt Lake City, Utah let me
know, I wouldn't mind some moral support/encouragement while building.
Darin
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=56191#56191
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Dave,
Thanks for the comment. I still hope to get the original video back from
the producer of that segment so I can put it on a DVD. By the way, if you
and your wife ever get to Cameron Park, I'll make room in the hangar for
your 7, crank up the BBQ, turn down the covers in the spare BR and we can
spend a day or two really getting acquainted.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave and Diane" <ddsyverson@comcast.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 3:26 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Lowell Etc
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dave and Diane <ddsyverson@comcast.net>
>
> Hey guys,
>
> This is just too cool not to say something!
>
> I have been out in the shed working on my Kitfox all day, (actually got
> something done too); then came in for supper.
>
> While the evening national news was rolling (OK - I multitask news and
> supper
> so I can get back on the 'fox), a segment came on about commuting by light
> aircraft including Cameron Park and with a Kitfox with comment by Lowell.
>
> Kitfox, national news, why not!!! (Yes, we even get national news in
> Minnesota)
>
> So Lowell, Now I know what you look like and .... with any luck at all I
> hope
> It won't be too long till I can get to some of the events and get
> acquainted
> with other Kitfoxers.
>
> My wife and I are planning on using our model 7 as much as possible for
> traveling the country when we get it done. We're pretty much good at
> sleeping
> in the desert or mountains on the ground for a couple weeks at a time -
> the
> Kitfox should be a good fit.
>
> Anyway - everyone out there still building like I am - I hope you had a
> chance
> to see the news segment - this is about as good as it gets for motivation
> to
> get the project done and get out there and fly.
>
> Just for the record - what people in this group are doing is pretty
> special.
>
> Dave S
> St Paul, MN
> M-7
>
> Do Not Archive
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tailwheel Tango |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kirkhull" <kirkhull@sbcglobal.net>
That reminds me of a sad story. About 2 months ago I was going to the EAA
chapter meeting at 3EX. When I arrived at the airport there was a nice
shiny new 205 being tied down. It had 25 hours total time. It left the
factory in Independence Kansas flew to Florida where it was based, a couple
of short hops then to Kansas City MO. For a business trip. The sad part
started with a bad landing and the disassembly of a runway light with the
prop. Apparently there was a lot of power being applied because the prop
hub broke leaving one blade barely hanging in the spinner. A new prop was
installed a few days later and the plane was ferried back to the factory in
Independence Ks. For a complete overhaul.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of darinh
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 7:08 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Tailwheel Tango
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net>
The reason I flew my Model III as a tailwheel and will fly my Series 7 in
tailwheel configuration was confirmed by an incident my buddy had about a
month ago while landing at a realatively benign strip in the Idaho
backcountry...he was in his 182.
In short, he went into this strip (which he had been into numerous times
before) to camp with some friends and do some fishing. On Sunday they got
up to fly home and decided to walk the strip once before starting the
takeoff roll. The reason for the walk was to pickout all major gopher
holes. They made a thourough inspection and marked all major holes then
began their taxi to the downwind side of the strip. During this taxi, a
hole that was not seen in the previous inspection swallowed his nose wheel
and he had a pretty major prop strike! His 182 is still in the A&P's hanger
and is going through a complete teardown (he is consequently considering a
full rebuild to 0-time the engine) and while the insurance is covering a
major part of it, it is still a major cost to him in dollars and lost flying
time.
I think the worst part of it is that he now will not go into these strips
and has lost some major utility of his airplane due to his fear of hitting
another unseen gopher hole. I have talked to him alot about it and he is
confident that had he been in my Fox or in any tailwheel, he would have
either bounced through the hole or at worst caught the wheel and turned him
a bit (he was taxiing at around 1 mph estimated).
I know of another fellow who tried a landing on the salt flats of the Great
Salt Lake and buried the nosewheel and had a prop strike (lucky he was
travelling very slowly or it would have likely flipped). I have landed
countless times on the soft sand and have not had a single problem.
There are definately pros and cons to each setup but for the type of flying
I like to do, the tailwheel is the only setup for me. I also like the
challenge of landing the tailwheel...I don't think it is harder, simply
requires a bit more attention and keeps you on your toes. I think pilots
who have never landed a tailwheel tend to overexaggerate the difficulties
involved. I for one love tailwheels!
Darin
Ex Model III flyer (Tailwheel)
Current Series 7 builder (of course tailwheel)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=56188#56188
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| Subject: | oil temps 912S/S-6 on floats revisited |
About two months ago I outlined an oil temp problem I was seeing in my newly float
equipped S-6 with 912S. I was flying 10-12mph slower at 105mph with the new
floats and began seeing redline temp (260F) with ambients over 80F.
Lockwood advised a larger (by about 75%) oil cooler they use for the turbo 914.
Kept it in the same below prop position. Temps went down to Yellow arc (240F)
at 85F, but back to 260F in the low 90's.
Talked to John McBean at Oshkosh and he had several suggestions:
The lower cowl outlet on the bottom of the S-6' cowl has a 5/8" flange (?for stiffness)
that he removes on the new Kitfox (uses a smaller and flatter stiffener
inside the cowling). I trimmed mine the same way and problem was completely
solved. Now see no higher than 220F on climbout in the low 90's. Throughout,
the cylinder head and water temps have been fine, but I did see a 10-15 degree
lower water temps with the cowl modified. It took both the larger cooler and
the modified cowl to get results.
The last step would have been to use John's large NACA duct on the bottom of the
cowl for independent cooling air, but that wasn't necessary. He attaches his
oil cooler to the front of the radiator below the engine, attached to the motor
mount with the the NACA duct plumbed directly to the cooler and radiator.
Fred
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you want ;-) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Wilson" <Wilson@REinfo.org>
56 in Huntsville, UT near Ogden
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net>
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 6:23 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you want
;-)
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net>
>
> I am currently building a Series 7 and started wondering if there are any
> other builders located near Salt Lake City, Utah. Then I started
> wondering what the general demographic of our group looked like (age
> wise). I figured this would be a fun topic and I may get to now some of
> you better by putting it out there.
>
> I will start with myself...I am 30 and have owned a Model III and am
> currently building a Series 7 (almost finished with the Fuse).
>
> If there are any of you that are located near Salt Lake City, Utah let me
> know, I wouldn't mind some moral support/encouragement while building.
>
> Darin
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=56191#56191
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you want ;-) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net>
This is a great list, isn't it? I see that most of us are close to the 60 year
young mark. Tell you the honest truth, I hope to still be flying when I am 60
(heart disease runs in the family). I guess I may be one of the youngest on
the list.
Dave,
You are in Huntsville? That is only about 30 minutes from me, I am in Kaysville.
Where are you based...Morgan or Ogden? Are you building or flying? Feel
free to reply off list if you want to.
Darin
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you want ;-) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Mo" <mo44d@comcast.net>
Will be 68 the 31st. Expect to receive my 7A around October 1st. from John
McBean and begin building.
Mo N831MF reserved.
----- Original Message -----
From: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net>
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 8:23 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you want
;-)
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net>
>
> I am currently building a Series 7 and started wondering if there are any
other builders located near Salt Lake City, Utah. Then I started wondering
what the general demographic of our group looked like (age wise). I figured
this would be a fun topic and I may get to now some of you better by putting
it out there.
>
> I will start with myself...I am 30 and have owned a Model III and am
currently building a Series 7 (almost finished with the Fuse).
>
> If there are any of you that are located near Salt Lake City, Utah let me
know, I wouldn't mind some moral support/encouragement while building.
>
> Darin
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=56191#56191
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Kitfox-Fuel Flow |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Rats! You outdid me Gary...now I have to get one of those 2400 Jabiru's
too! : ) (see your sig)
Lynn
do not archive
On Monday, August 21, 2006, at 05:27 PM, Algate wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
>
> Thanks Lowell
>
> I wouldn't have even been concerned but my last plane had a single
> wing tank
> and a 10 Gal Panel tank. I noticed on a few occasions that the fuel
> would
> stop flowing from the wing if I used a lot of flap or carried out a
> long
> descent with low wing tank. I could see this because I had a clear
> fuel line
> but it was never an issue as I had a panel tank that I could easily see
> remaining fuel level. I actually fitted a primer bulb between the wing
> tank
> and panel tank which made it extremely easy to re-start the flow if
> the wing
> tank ever un-ported.
>
>
> With my new plane having dual wing tanks and a hidden header tank I
> have no
> visual perception of what is going on so that is why I immediately
> fitted
> the low fuel level sensor on the small header tank behind my seat and
> my
> ensuing question re fuel flow.
>
> With all of the responses it appears that my concerns are not that
> valid
>
> Thanks again
>
> Gary Algate
> Model 4/Jab2400
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lowell
> Fitt
> Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 4:46 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: RE: Kitfox-Fuel Flow
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Gary,
>
> We discussed this on our trip and one guy suggested that the fuel flow
> has
> to do with the vent on the right tank. His thinking is - and I sort of
> agree with it - that the pitot on the fuel cap gives some pressure on
> the
> left tank - thought to be 1 or so psi. The right tank is vented and
> the
> pitot pressure on that tank is neutralized by the vent which tend to
> pressurize the header tank rather than the wing tank.
>
> The most significant thing, though, is that it is no problem unless you
> don't like the assymetry.
>
> Lowell
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 6:11 AM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: RE: Kitfox-Fuel Flow
>
>
>> Good morning
>>
>>
>>
>> I flew a short cross country on the weekend from Barrie to the UPAC
>> (Ultra
>> Light Pilots Association Canada) convention near Waterloo (approx 100
>> miles).
>>
>>
>>
>> My new acquisition performed great but I noticed that the pilot side
>> tank
>> drained at almost twice the rate of the Passenger side. I have heard
>> stories
>> that if you fly un-coordinated this can happen but I was definitely
>> flying
>> straight and true.
>>
>>
>>
>> When I landed I checked the fuel flow from the tank into the header
>> but it
>> was excellent (I have a large puddle to prove it).
>>
>>
>>
>> I have no valves in the system other than the main fuel shut off
>> under the
>> panel and although I'm sure that both tanks would eventually drain I
>> really
>> don't understand the variation. I have a low fuel warning mounted on
>> my
>> header so I will do some circuits to see if the tank drains
>> completely
>> before the other one starts to flow.
>>
>>
>>
>> Do I have a problem or is it normal to see unequal fuel flow?
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>>
>>
>> Gary Algate
>>
>> Model 4 / Jab2200
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you want ;-) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Lynn Matteson 69, going for a Sport Pilot cert. by age 70 (about 2
weeks for the Cert, and 2 mo. 'til the b'day.
Lynn
Yes, Cliff, this one is true. I double checked before hitting "send".
On Monday, August 21, 2006, at 09:32 PM, Don Smythe wrote:
> Don Smythe 60+1 week and trying to sell out.
>
> Do not archive
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dee Young
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 9:07 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if
> you want ;-)
>
> 62 flying a model II south east idaho
>
> Dee
>
> Do not achive
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Forfun3@aol.com
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 6:33 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if
> you want ;-)
>
> 51 yo, flying a Vixen
>
>
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| Subject: | Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you want ;-) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Oakley" <john@leptron.com>
Darin,
I am in Idaho Falls, but am dating a professor from Weber state. (a girl)
She lives in Morgan, and I have been flying my speedster into the Morgan
county airstrip. Cool place, narrow canyon, next to airspace, nasty winds,
short approach,one way or so they say. I love it..will be there on the
coming holiday , holler if you want visitors.
John
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Let's see, this is 2006, that makes my 65, I think.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net>
>
> I am currently building a Series 7 and started wondering if there are any
> other builders located near Salt Lake City, Utah. Then I started
> wondering what the general demographic of our group looked like (age
> wise). I figured this would be a fun topic and I may get to now some of
> you better by putting it out there.
>
> I will start with myself...I am 30 and have owned a Model III and am
> currently building a Series 7 (almost finished with the Fuse).
>
> If there are any of you that are located near Salt Lake City, Utah let me
> know, I wouldn't mind some moral support/encouragement while building.
>
> Darin
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| Subject: | RE: Kitfox-Fuel Flow |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Oakley" <john@leptron.com>
Ok guys, correct me if you can. Did we not decide many years ago to not
install the cross tub (vent) because the tanks were porting and caused
several ship to go down.
John Oakley
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Bob,
I don't understand. Before I worry about fixes, I like to be able to
understand the problem. Can you explain the problem so I can understand it?
Lowell
From: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@mcmsys.com>
What about an equalizing "vent line" between the two tanks. That's what my
C-150 does, but it doesn't completely flow equally either, since the Cessna
vent is located in the Pilots tank ONLY. Were the Kitfoxes are Vented using
the fill cap on each tank, the cross flow vent ( above fuel level) might
improve this. What do you think??? Bob U.
----- Original Message -----
From: Shane Sather
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 8:51 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: RE: Kitfox-Fuel Flow
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you want |
;-)
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "john perry" <eskflyer@lvcisp.com>
Hello fellers and ladies . A kitfoxer here in middle America where the age
of the owner is a young 38 . Hopefully flying forever .
Take care fly safe fly low fly slow
John Perry
N718PD Kitfox 2
582, c box 2:62-1
GSC / Ivo inflight
Going on floats soon
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