Today's Message Index:
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1. 12:02 AM - SV: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you want ;-) (Michel Verheughe)
2. 12:59 AM - Re: Ethanol and wing tanks Ethanol and wing tanks (Michael Gibbs)
3. 05:13 AM - Re: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you want ;-) (Algate)
4. 05:15 AM - Re: Re: Kitfox-Fuel Flow (Algate)
5. 05:30 AM - Re: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you want ;-) (Barry West)
6. 05:32 AM - Re: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you want ;-) (Ray McKinley)
7. 05:50 AM - Re: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you want ;-) (Lyle Persels)
8. 05:51 AM - Re: Re: ALtimeter adjustment (Noel Loveys)
9. 05:55 AM - Re: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you want ;-) (Richard Rabbers)
10. 06:04 AM - Re: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you want ;-) (Eric)
11. 06:08 AM - Re: Re: ALtimeter adjustment (Noel Loveys)
12. 06:23 AM - Re: Re: ALtimeter adjustment (Dave)
13. 06:28 AM - Re: Re: ALtimeter adjustment (Noel Loveys)
14. 06:36 AM - Re: Re: Kitfox-Fuel Flow (Noel Loveys)
15. 06:46 AM - Re: Re: Ethanol and wing tanks Ethanol and wing tanks (Noel Loveys)
16. 06:52 AM - Re: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you want ;-) (Noel Loveys)
17. 07:09 AM - Re: ALtimeter adjustment (kitfoxmike)
18. 07:17 AM - Re: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you want ;-) (Todd Leiss)
19. 07:27 AM - Re: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you want ;-) (Dan Billingsley)
20. 08:30 AM - Re: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you want ;-) (Kenneth and Alice Jones)
21. 08:47 AM - Re: SV: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you want ;-) (Fred Shiple)
22. 09:01 AM - Re: Re: ALtimeter adjustment (Noel Loveys)
23. 09:33 AM - Re: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you want ;-) (AMuller589@aol.com)
24. 09:36 AM - Re: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you want ;-) (Jose M. Toro)
25. 09:55 AM - Re: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you want ;-) (kitfoxmike)
26. 09:56 AM - Re: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you want ;-) (Michel Verheughe)
27. 10:13 AM - 125 HP Franklin 4A-235 on a Kitfox (Stan Bearup)
28. 10:16 AM - Re: Re: Kitfox-Fuel Flow (Bob Unternaehrer)
29. 10:18 AM - Re: tail wheel (Rueb, Duane)
30. 10:31 AM - Re: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you want ;-) (darinh)
31. 10:39 AM - Re: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you want ;-) (W Duke)
32. 10:42 AM - Re: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you want ;-) (Lowell Fitt)
33. 10:42 AM - Re: 125 HP Franklin 4A-235 on a Kitfox (W Duke)
34. 10:58 AM - : Kitfox-Fuel Flow (John Oakley)
35. 11:02 AM - Re: tail wheel (John Oakley)
36. 11:10 AM - Re: Re: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you want ;-) (Marco Menezes)
37. 11:17 AM - Re: Kitfox in Thailand? (John Galt)
38. 11:25 AM - Re: : Kitfox-Fuel Flow (John Oakley)
39. 11:46 AM - Inspiration. WAS: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (Michel Verheughe)
40. 12:15 PM - Re: Is a taildragger dangerous? (Michel Verheughe)
41. 12:57 PM - Re: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you want ;-) (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
42. 01:01 PM - Re: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you want ;-) (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
43. 01:03 PM - Re: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you want ;-) (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
44. 01:16 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you want ;-) (Lynn Matteson)
45. 01:19 PM - Re: Is a taildragger dangerous? (kitfoxmike)
46. 01:33 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox-Fuel Flow (Lynn Matteson)
47. 01:38 PM - Re: Re: ALtimeter adjustment (Lynn Matteson)
48. 01:51 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox-Fuel Flow (Lynn Matteson)
49. 02:20 PM - Re: Kitfox-Fuel Flow... ERROR recalled (Lynn Matteson)
50. 02:27 PM - Re: Cover and Finish (Randy Daughenbaugh)
51. 02:30 PM - Re: Is a taildragger dangerous? (kirkhull)
52. 03:02 PM - Re: Ignition switch question (Dave G.)
53. 03:02 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox-Fuel Flow... ERROR recalled (Torgeir Mortensen)
54. 03:16 PM - (re) build logbook. (Dave G.)
55. 03:23 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you want ;-) (matt msg.04.10.06.23:59:45.13974 msg.04.25.06.23:59:56.5132 msg.05.23.05.04:21:08.26754 msg.05.23.05.04:21:08.26790 msg.05.23.05.06:30:00.19402 msg.05.23.05.07:05:35.29938 msg.05.23.05.08:42:28.21575 msg.05.23.05.08:42:28.21582 msg.05.23.05.08:57:10.6698 msg.05.23.05.10:00:04.32377 msg.05.23.05.11:00:42.31353 msg.05.23.05.11:21:06.24674 msg.05.23.05.11:23:26.28832 msg.05.23.05.12:11:57.25083 msg.05.23.05.12:28:45.16902 msg.05.23.05.12:30:46.1343 msg.05.23.05.15:43:11.15724 msg.05.23.05.15:51:21.28004 msg.05.23.05.16:50:42.4473 msg.05.23.05.20:16:01.11220 msg.05.23.05.21:41:19.17147 msg.05.23.05.21:56:05.11810 msg.05.23.05.22:11:26.1600 msg.05.23.05.22:11:29.2888 msg.05.23.05.22:16:47.12967 msg.08.22.06.00:02:27.5467 msg.08.22.06.00:59:41.21218 msg.08.22.06.05:13:28.10644 msg.08.22.06.05:15:53.14279 msg.08.22.06.05:30:08.3044 msg.08.22.06.05:32:26.7356 msg.08.22.06.05:50:50.31241 msg.08.22.06.05:51:30.787 msg.08.22.06.05:55:55.9697 msg.08.22.06.06:04:16.20751 msg.08.22.06.06:08:28.29699 msg.08.22.06.06:23:28.19682 msg.08.22.06.06:28:11.26192 msg.08.22.06.06:36:10.4019 msg.08.22.06.06:46:13.21130 msg.08.22.06.06:52:41.29997 msg.08.22.06.07:09:10.22881 msg.08.22.06.07:17:38.3863 msg.08.22.06.07:27:17.19409 msg.08.22.06.08:30:59.10350 msg.08.22.06.08:47:29.3311 msg.08.22.06.09:01:02.20176 msg.08.22.06.09:33:04.30534 msg.08.22.06.09:36:34.4684 msg.08.22.06.09:55:56.5016 msg.08.22.06.09:56:55.7222 msg.08.22.06.10:13:56.32106 msg.08.22.06.10:16:08.3161 msg.08.22.06.10:18:10.6441 msg.08.22.06.10:31:16.26142 msg.08.22.06.10:39:21.4016 msg.08.22.06.10:42:14.7858 msg.08.22.06.10:42:52.9944 msg.08.22.06.10:58:51.2929 msg.08.22.06.11:02:03.8694 msg.08.22.06.11:10:04.21390 msg.08.22.06.11:17:24.2014 msg.08.22.06.11:25:19.13204 msg.08.22.06.11:46:10.5413 msg.08.22.06.12:15:52.13775 msg.08.22.06.12:57:28.533 msg.08.22.06.13:01:20.7221 msg.08.22.06.13:03:30.10417 msg.08.22.06.13:16:35.1849 msg.08.22.06.13:19:46.7368 msg.08.22.06.13:33:01.27563 msg.08.22.06.13:38:35.2614 msg.08.22.06.13:51:15.21033 msg.08.22.06.14:20:42.28987 msg.08.22.06.14:27:35.5921 msg.08.22.06.14:30:26.12145 msg.08.22.06.15:02:04.21870 msg.08.22.06.15:02:20.22669 msg.08.22.06.15:16:28.10661 msg.08.22.06.15:23:41.20897 msg.08.22.06.15:38:19.7047 msg.08.22.06.16:08:23.19343 msg.08.22.06.16:59:50.27327 msg.08.22.06.17:13:28.11767 msg.08.22.06.17:18:38.19243 msg.08.22.06.17:30:52.2449 msg.08.22.06.17:34:15.9504 msg.08.22.06.17:39:53.19856 msg.08.22.06.17:42:20.23420 msg.08.22.06.17:46:08.28881 msg.08.22.06.17:48:30.32169 msg.08.22.06.17:52:26.7616 msg.08.22.06.18:04:21.22762 msg.08.22.06.18:12:23.1950 msg.08.22.06.18:29:10.24811 msg.08.22.06.18:30:02.28603 msg.08.22.06.18:30:33.31043 msg.08.22.06.18:46:59.22964 msg.08.22.06.18:59:49.13082 msg.08.22.06.19:02:07.16786 msg.08.22.06.19:20:20.14238 msg.08.22.06.19:21:22.16391 msg.08.22.06.19:23:08.18736 msg.08.22.06.19:27:17.25115 msg.08.22.06.19:29:03.28332 msg.08.22.06.19:30:17.32083 msg.08.22.06.19:34:27.11423 msg.08.22.06.19:41:41.26873 msg.08.22.06.19:57:45.17387 msg.08.22.06.20:05:44.31996 msg.08.22.06.20:06:00.798 msg.08.22.06.20:07:38.4280 msg.08.22.06.20:08:05.6396 msg.08.22.06.20:17:49.19861 msg.08.22.06.20:20:49.24361 msg.09.11.05.23:59:51.9550 msg.10.21.05.23:59:54.30931 msg.10.26.05.23:59:24.19170 old_messages web_browse.day.0 web_browse.day.1 web_browse.day.2 web_browse.day.3 web_browse.day.4 web_browse.day.5 web_browse.day.6)
56. 03:38 PM - Re: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you want ;-) (John Oakley)
57. 04:08 PM - Re: Kitfox in Thailand? (Ted Palamarek)
58. 04:59 PM - Re: (re) build logbook. (Dave and Diane)
59. 05:13 PM - Re: Kitfox in Thailand? (mscotter)
60. 05:18 PM - Re: Kitfox in Thailand? (Don Smythe)
61. 05:30 PM - Re: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you want ;-) (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
62. 05:34 PM - Re: Re: ALtimeter adjustment (Noel Loveys)
63. 05:39 PM - Re: Ignition switch question (Noel Loveys)
64. 05:42 PM - Re: Is a taildragger dangerous? (AMuller589@aol.com)
65. 05:46 PM - Re: Re: ALtimeter adjustment (AMuller589@aol.com)
66. 05:48 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you want ;-) (skyflyte@comcast.net)
67. 05:52 PM - Re: Handheld Trancievers (Jack L Bell)
68. 06:04 PM - Re: Re: ALtimeter adjustment (Noel Loveys)
69. 06:12 PM - Re: Ignition switch question (Dave G.)
70. 06:29 PM - Re: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you want ;-) (Daniel Aller)
71. 06:30 PM - Re: Ignition switch question (Don Smythe)
72. 06:30 PM - Re: Cover and Finish (Stan Bearup)
73. 06:46 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you want ;-) (Lowell Fitt)
74. 06:59 PM - Re: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you want ;-) (neflyer48)
75. 07:02 PM - Idaho Back Country (Lowell Fitt)
76. 07:20 PM - Model 5, 6, 7 & Jabiru 3300 (Jim Crowder)
77. 07:21 PM - Font sizes (Lynn Matteson)
78. 07:23 PM - Re: Re: ALtimeter adjustment (Noel Loveys)
79. 07:27 PM - Re: Re: Handheld Trancievers (Noel Loveys)
80. 07:29 PM - Compass swing program - simple (Dave)
81. 07:30 PM - Re: Re: Handheld Trancievers (Noel Loveys)
82. 07:34 PM - Re: Idaho Back Country (John Oakley)
83. 07:41 PM - Re: Ignition switch question (Noel Loveys)
84. 07:57 PM - Re: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you want ;-) (kirkhull)
85. 08:05 PM - Re: Is a taildragger dangerous? (Andrew Matthaey)
86. 08:06 PM - Re: Re: Handheld Trancievers (Dan Billingsley)
87. 08:07 PM - Re: Re: Handheld Trancievers (Dan Billingsley)
88. 08:08 PM - Re: Cover and Finish (Fred Shiple)
89. 08:17 PM - Age (Rex Shaw)
90. 08:20 PM - Re: Is a taildragger dangerous? (Marco Menezes)
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| Subject: | Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you want |
;-)
Michel, 58 and half years old! :-)
While on an off-topic subject: I am one of the three members of our company's R&D
division. The two others are, a man called Kim, and a lady called Randi.
Now, in the US, Michelle and Kim would be ladies and Randy, a gentleman - just
the opposite! Incidentally, Michelle (the actual girl's name) is not very common
but Michel (the boy's name) is probably one of the most common ones for men
of my generation in French-speaking Belgium and France.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Ethanol and wing tanks Ethanol and wing tanks |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
Noel sez:
> > "The octane number assigned to a motor fuel has very little to do
> > with the actual chemical "octanes" in the fuel..."
>
>** That is the reason that it is possible to have an octane rating
>of more than 100.
>
>Now about that Champagne.....:-)
Sorry Noel, no champagne for you
<http://www.prime-mover.org/Engines/GArticles/octane.html>:
"Note that, technically, there is no such thing as an octane number
above 100. If you're at a party, avoid saying things like '110 octane
gasoline' because people will get up and walk away from you. You
should say, instead, 'a gasoline with a performance number of 110.'"
Lowell sez:
>At least the rest of us understand.
Thanks Lowell. :-)
Mike G.
N728KF
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| Subject: | Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you want |
;-)
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
Gary Algate
50yrs
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| Subject: | RE: Kitfox-Fuel Flow |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
Ah ha - At first I didn't understand but after close inspection I see you
picked up on the sudden growth of my 2200. By the end of the week I hope it
will grow up to a 3300 and then I will have something to bragg about.
Gary Algate
Model4/2400-1/2
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 11:42 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: RE: Kitfox-Fuel Flow
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Rats! You outdid me Gary...now I have to get one of those 2400 Jabiru's
too! : ) (see your sig)
Lynn
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On Monday, August 21, 2006, at 05:27 PM, Algate wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
>
> Thanks Lowell
>
> I wouldn't have even been concerned but my last plane had a single
> wing tank
> and a 10 Gal Panel tank. I noticed on a few occasions that the fuel
> would
> stop flowing from the wing if I used a lot of flap or carried out a
> long
> descent with low wing tank. I could see this because I had a clear
> fuel line
> but it was never an issue as I had a panel tank that I could easily see
> remaining fuel level. I actually fitted a primer bulb between the wing
> tank
> and panel tank which made it extremely easy to re-start the flow if
> the wing
> tank ever un-ported.
>
>
> With my new plane having dual wing tanks and a hidden header tank I
> have no
> visual perception of what is going on so that is why I immediately
> fitted
> the low fuel level sensor on the small header tank behind my seat and
> my
> ensuing question re fuel flow.
>
> With all of the responses it appears that my concerns are not that
> valid
>
> Thanks again
>
> Gary Algate
> Model 4/Jab2400
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lowell
> Fitt
> Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 4:46 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: RE: Kitfox-Fuel Flow
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Gary,
>
> We discussed this on our trip and one guy suggested that the fuel flow
> has
> to do with the vent on the right tank. His thinking is - and I sort of
> agree with it - that the pitot on the fuel cap gives some pressure on
> the
> left tank - thought to be 1 or so psi. The right tank is vented and
> the
> pitot pressure on that tank is neutralized by the vent which tend to
> pressurize the header tank rather than the wing tank.
>
> The most significant thing, though, is that it is no problem unless you
> don't like the assymetry.
>
> Lowell
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 6:11 AM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: RE: Kitfox-Fuel Flow
>
>
>> Good morning
>>
>>
>>
>> I flew a short cross country on the weekend from Barrie to the UPAC
>> (Ultra
>> Light Pilots Association Canada) convention near Waterloo (approx 100
>> miles).
>>
>>
>>
>> My new acquisition performed great but I noticed that the pilot side
>> tank
>> drained at almost twice the rate of the Passenger side. I have heard
>> stories
>> that if you fly un-coordinated this can happen but I was definitely
>> flying
>> straight and true.
>>
>>
>>
>> When I landed I checked the fuel flow from the tank into the header
>> but it
>> was excellent (I have a large puddle to prove it).
>>
>>
>>
>> I have no valves in the system other than the main fuel shut off
>> under the
>> panel and although I'm sure that both tanks would eventually drain I
>> really
>> don't understand the variation. I have a low fuel warning mounted on
>> my
>> header so I will do some circuits to see if the tank drains
>> completely
>> before the other one starts to flow.
>>
>>
>>
>> Do I have a problem or is it normal to see unequal fuel flow?
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>>
>>
>> Gary Algate
>>
>> Model 4 / Jab2200
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you want ;-) |
I'm 76 and have been flying my Model IV for 5 years. Four times to
Oshkosh from NW Arkansas.
Barry West
----- Original Message -----
From: Dee Young
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 8:07 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if
you want ;-)
62 flying a model II south east idaho
Dee
Do not achive
----- Original Message -----
From: Forfun3@aol.com
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 6:33 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if
you want ;-)
51 yo, flying a Vixen
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| Subject: | Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you want ;-) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ray McKinley" <ray_mckinley@evansinet.com>
I am 64 and am rebuilding a lite squared just like a series 4 have not
flown it yet but am getting close
Ray
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve
Wilson
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 8:19 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you
want ;-)
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Wilson" <Wilson@REinfo.org>
56 in Huntsville, UT near Ogden
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net>
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 6:23 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you
want
;-)
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net>
>
> I am currently building a Series 7 and started wondering if there are
any
> other builders located near Salt Lake City, Utah. Then I started
> wondering what the general demographic of our group looked like (age
> wise). I figured this would be a fun topic and I may get to now some
of
> you better by putting it out there.
>
> I will start with myself...I am 30 and have owned a Model III and am
> currently building a Series 7 (almost finished with the Fuse).
>
> If there are any of you that are located near Salt Lake City, Utah let
me
> know, I wouldn't mind some moral support/encouragement while building.
>
> Darin
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=56191#56191
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you want |
;-)
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lyle Persels <lpers@mchsi.com>
I'm 73, soon to be 74. I think I have the record so far. Any of you
younger dudes want to trade with me?
Lyle
On 08 22, 06, at 7:15 AM, Algate wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
>
> Gary Algate
> 50yrs
>
>
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| Subject: | RE: ALtimeter adjustment |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
Thanks for the reminder. I had been planning on resetting my Altimeter for
a long time now and never seemed to get around to it. While I was at it I
did the VSI the next step is a compass swing... Not too easy on floats.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> kurt schrader
> Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 4:24 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: RE: ALtimeter adjustment
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
> <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>
> Yes, dont remove the altimeter screw. I did that
> too. Just loosen. It takes a bit of jiggling to
> disengage the gears and the same to get them
> reengaged. I believe you set the altitude first, then
> pull the knob to reset the window only, then push
> while wiggling to reengage the gears and then tighten
> the screw.
>
> Kurt S.
>
> __________________________________________________
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Richard Rabbers" <rira1950@yahoo.com>
Age 56 (still feel ~ 50.... which felt like 40 or maybe 39.
Going over a model 1 w/ 618 Rotax - will be on Full Lotus floats.
[let's include location] Frappr is good but not all are on it.
Benton Harbor, MI.
--------
Richard in SW Michigan
Model 1 / 618 - full-lotus floats (restoration)
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you want ;-) |
I am 48, rebuilding a Mod. IV Speedster and doing a wide body mod and a
tricycle gear conversion while I am at it.
Eric
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry West
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 7:32 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if
you want ;-)
I'm 76 and have been flying my Model IV for 5 years. Four times to
Oshkosh from NW Arkansas.
Barry West
----- Original Message -----
From: Dee Young
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 8:07 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if
you want ;-)
62 flying a model II south east idaho
Dee
Do not achive
----- Original Message -----
From: Forfun3@aol.com
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 6:33 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie
if you want ;-)
51 yo, flying a Vixen
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| Subject: | RE: ALtimeter adjustment |
If the tach is mechanical then it's done by internally adjusting the
tension
on screws. Some have spring tension adjusters some have to replace the
springs. these units are lovely to look at but are quite heavy as are
the
drive cables etc. when new they are known to be quite accurate.
If it's early electrical it may have a variable resistor that can be
adjusted. On these meter type tachs you may also have to set the "0"
mark
on the face of the meter. Before fooling with any internal settings I
would
check on the zero set (it's a little screw at the base of the meter
hand)
first. disturbing any of the internal resistors will affect the
linearity
of the instrument. Ever calibrate a tach???? Me neither.
If the tach hand swings through an arc of more than 90deg. there may
also be
a gear network associated with the pointer. This is a place where
friction
can occur making the tach a bit sluggish. Lubricating those gears and
pivots is not recommended.
If the tach is digital it's probably right on but you may have to filter
noise off the tach line. Some times ignition noise on the tach input
line
can be read as extra pulses by the tach making it read high. Check the
archives for fixes. some have added resistors to the input line to
filter
out noise.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marco
Menezes
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 6:09 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: RE: ALtimeter adjustment
Actually, mine was a bit more complicated. Instrument had to come out of
the
airplane. The screw on face of instrument had to come out completely and
the
pin it screwed into, disengaged from the knob post before the knob would
pull out. Pulling knob out while turning it moves the Kollsman window
altimeter reading, so set your known elevation first, then pull out knob
and
set altimeter.
Now, does anyone know how to calibrate an rpm gauge? I have an ACS
cheapo
that reads 500 with the engine shut down.
kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
Yes, don=B4t remove the altimeter screw. I did that
too. Just loosen. It takes a bit of jiggling to
disengage the gears and the same to get
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| Subject: | Re: RE: ALtimeter adjustment |
MessageHi ,
On tachs- get a tiny tach. They have proven most accuarte as they
measure off the spark plug wire.
ACS tachs - I do not know but I do know that Rotax tachs can read
erractic as hell.
Dave
47 years old
582 IV
----- Original Message -----
From: Noel Loveys
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 9:07 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: RE: ALtimeter adjustment
If the tach is mechanical then it's done by internally adjusting the
tension on screws. Some have spring tension adjusters some have to
replace the springs. these units are lovely to look at but are quite
heavy as are the drive cables etc. when new they are known to be quite
accurate.
If it's early electrical it may have a variable resistor that can be
adjusted. On these meter type tachs you may also have to set the "0"
mark on the face of the meter. Before fooling with any internal
settings I would check on the zero set (it's a little screw at the base
of the meter hand) first. disturbing any of the internal resistors will
affect the linearity of the instrument. Ever calibrate a tach???? Me
neither.
If the tach hand swings through an arc of more than 90deg. there may
also be a gear network associated with the pointer. This is a place
where friction can occur making the tach a bit sluggish. Lubricating
those gears and pivots is not recommended.
If the tach is digital it's probably right on but you may have to
filter noise off the tach line. Some times ignition noise on the tach
input line can be read as extra pulses by the tach making it read high.
Check the archives for fixes. some have added resistors to the input
line to filter out noise.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marco
Menezes
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 6:09 PM
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: RE: ALtimeter adjustment
Actually, mine was a bit more complicated. Instrument had to come
out of the airplane. The screw on face of instrument had to come out
completely and the pin it screwed into, disengaged from the knob post
before the knob would pull out. Pulling knob out while turning it moves
the Kollsman window altimeter reading, so set your known elevation
first, then pull out knob and set altimeter.
Now, does anyone know how to calibrate an rpm gauge? I have an ACS
cheapo that reads 500 with the engine shut down.
kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
Yes, don=B4t remove the altimeter screw. I did that
too. Just loosen. It takes a bit of jiggling to
disengage the gears and the same to get
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
Be careful with the transponder altitude encoder.
The encoder is always set at 29.92 for IFR readings. That way all aircraft
encoders will read the same altitude in a given location. Well that's the
idea any way. When you get an altitude report form FSS they are reading
back to you the info your encoder has sent them mode "C".
At VFR altitudes deviations from 29.92"hg. Will give discrepancies in your
encoder info. A problem with this info is all it requires is for a partial
blockage of a static port to occur and the info reported to you by FSS will
be wrong.
If you subscribe to the GPS nav systems that airports are installing. Then
your altitude should be corrected for several miles around that airport.
Other than that I wouldn't trust it at all. GPS is a great system except it
is military controlled and we get dependant on it. For short distances I
love to fly VFR I have even navigated to an extent by the sun and got close
enough to see my destination.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> kitfoxmike
> Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 6:58 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: ALtimeter adjustment
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com>
>
> The only way I would mess with an my vertical is to set
> altimeter and then adjust to known altitude on the ground.
> If there are any other problems, send the unit in for repairs
> or replace. My static is where skystar put it in the plans.
> I also have a transponder and my altitude is what shows on
> the radar. Well, within 100ft. anyway. I don't care if it's
> that percise. But the main thing is it doesn't vary while
> I'm flying. But the Gps does. Like I said earlier, the Gps
> will loose out the farther I get away from the big airport.
> I think either my Gps needs to be hooked to an external
> entenna, or the accuracy is dropped as you get away from the
> big airports. You know, classC and classB airports.
>
> --------
> kitfoxmike
> kitfox4 1200 912ul speedster
> http://www.frappr.com/kitfoxmike
> rv7 wingkit
> reserved 287RV
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=56163#56163
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | RE: Kitfox-Fuel Flow |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
Why not tie the tail to a stand first (to level the plane) and do the test
on the ground first?
Noel
> One of these days, I'll shut off the two feed lines and see how my
> low-fuel warning system works....maybe while cruising right over the
> airport. : )
>
> Lynn
> Kitfox IV Speedster...Jabiru 2200
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| Subject: | Re: Ethanol and wing tanks Ethanol and wing tanks |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
No where in that piece did it say the octane number can't go above 100. It
did say it was an empirical measurement (based on observation or theory,
Concise Oxford Dictionary)
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Michael Gibbs
> Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 5:29 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Ethanol and wing tanks Ethanol and
> wing tanks
>
>
> Sorry Noel, no champagne for you
> <http://www.prime-mover.org/Engines/GArticles/octane.html>:
>
> "Note that, technically, there is no such thing as an octane number
> above 100. If you're at a party, avoid saying things like '110 octane
> gasoline' because people will get up and walk away from you. You
> should say, instead, 'a gasoline with a performance number of 110.'"
>
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| Subject: | Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you want |
;-)
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
56 in about two weeks. Loving Newfoundland.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Michel Verheughe
> Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 4:32 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: SV: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can
> lie if you want ;-)
>
>
> Michel, 58 and half years old! :-)
>
> While on an off-topic subject: I am one of the three members
> of our company's R&D division. The two others are, a man
> called Kim, and a lady called Randi.
> Now, in the US, Michelle and Kim would be ladies and Randy, a
> gentleman - just the opposite! Incidentally, Michelle (the
> actual girl's name) is not very common but Michel (the boy's
> name) is probably one of the most common ones for men of my
> generation in French-speaking Belgium and France.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
> do not archive
>
>
> <pre><b><font size=2 color="#000000" face="courier new,courier">
>
> ww.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List</a>
> ics.com/contribution</a>
>
> </b></font></pre>
>
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| Subject: | Re: ALtimeter adjustment |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com>
What's the big deal on altitude any way, I fly out the window, and if your going
into an off field (remote landing) landing you have no idea what the altitude
is, and that GPS should not be trusted for this, for reasons I mentioned earlier.
You need to know your altitude by looking out the window. The other day
I flew into such an air stip that my wife was sitting in the right seat holding
on and just figiting the whole way down. I cleared all trees by about 20ft.
but she couldn't take the closeness or the look of what I was doing. That's
where doing short landings at your airport comes in handy. You can judge your
height and if needed glance down at the altitude for reference to make yourself
better at it. As far as the encoder, I use that as a reference to prove
that the altitude indicator does not change, but the Gps will vary for reference,
if that makes sense. I never rely on the encoder for accuracy, just to show
that the altitude indicator isn't loosing accuracy through the flight. THat's
why you always give your altitude when getting clearance with atc, so that
things can be zero'd so to speak with the controller.
--------
kitfoxmike
kitfox4 1200 912ul speedster
http://www.frappr.com/kitfoxmike
rv7 wingkit
reserved 287RV
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| Subject: | Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you want |
;-)
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Todd Leiss" <tleiss@earthlink.net>
Todd Leiss, age 53, Merritt Island, Florida. Refreshing Model IV Speedster
912UL that was stored in a barn for 8 years.
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| Subject: | Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you want |
;-)
49 and building a model IV speedster, which used to be a lite squared that was
a tail dragger but is now a Tri Gear w/ Groves main spring yet now has added a
wide body mod and a built in baggage area and will be drug thru the air with
a 912s...got that? :>)
Dan , Mesa, AZ
Noel Loveys <noelloveys@yahoo.ca> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys"
56 in about two weeks. Loving Newfoundland.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Michel Verheughe
> Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 4:32 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: SV: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can
> lie if you want ;-)
>
>
> Michel, 58 and half years old! :-)
>
> While on an off-topic subject: I am one of the three members
> of our company's R&D division. The two others are, a man
> called Kim, and a lady called Randi.
> Now, in the US, Michelle and Kim would be ladies and Randy, a
> gentleman - just the opposite! Incidentally, Michelle (the
> actual girl's name) is not very common but Michel (the boy's
> name) is probably one of the most common ones for men of my
> generation in French-speaking Belgium and France.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
> do not archive
>
>
>
>
> ww.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List
> ics.com/contribution
>
>
>
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;-)
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kenneth and Alice Jones" <kmamjones@comcast.net>
68, building a Series 7 - Waynesboro, PA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 9:52 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you
want ;-)
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
>
> 56 in about two weeks. Loving Newfoundland.
>
> Noel
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>> Michel Verheughe
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 4:32 AM
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: SV: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can
>> lie if you want ;-)
>>
>>
>> Michel, 58 and half years old! :-)
>>
>> While on an off-topic subject: I am one of the three members
>> of our company's R&D division. The two others are, a man
>> called Kim, and a lady called Randi.
>> Now, in the US, Michelle and Kim would be ladies and Randy, a
>> gentleman - just the opposite! Incidentally, Michelle (the
>> actual girl's name) is not very common but Michel (the boy's
>> name) is probably one of the most common ones for men of my
>> generation in French-speaking Belgium and France.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Michel
>>
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>> <pre><b><font size=2 color="#000000" face="courier new,courier">
>>
>> ww.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List</a>
>> ics.com/contribution</a>
>>
>> </b></font></pre>
>>
>
>
>
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;-)
60
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| Subject: | RE: ALtimeter adjustment |
Good Idea...I did that last year! works great for me.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 10:53 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: RE: ALtimeter adjustment
Hi ,
On tachs- get a tiny tach. They have proven most accuarte as they
measure
off the spark plug wire.
ACS tachs - I do not know but I do know that Rotax tachs can read
erractic
as hell.
Dave
47 years old
582 IV
----- Original Message -----
From: Noel <mailto:noelloveys@yahoo.ca> Loveys
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 9:07 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: RE: ALtimeter adjustment
If the tach is mechanical then it's done by internally adjusting the
tension
on screws. Some have spring tension adjusters some have to replace the
springs. these units are lovely to look at but are quite heavy as are
the
drive cables etc. when new they are known to be quite accurate.
If it's early electrical it may have a variable resistor that can be
adjusted. On these meter type tachs you may also have to set the "0"
mark
on the face of the meter. Before fooling with any internal settings I
would
check on the zero set (it's a little screw at the base of the meter
hand)
first. disturbing any of the internal resistors will affect the
linearity
of the instrument. Ever calibrate a tach???? Me neither.
If the tach hand swings through an arc of more than 90deg. there may
also be
a gear network associated with the pointer. This is a place where
friction
can occur making the tach a bit sluggish. Lubricating those gears and
pivots is not recommended.
If the tach is digital it's probably right on but you may have to filter
noise off the tach line. Some times ignition noise on the tach input
line
can be read as extra pulses by the tach making it read high. Check the
archives for fixes. some have added resistors to the input line to
filter
out noise.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marco
Menezes
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 6:09 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: RE: ALtimeter adjustment
Actually, mine was a bit more complicated. Instrument had to come out of
the
airplane. The screw on face of instrument had to come out completely and
the
pin it screwed into, disengaged from the knob post before the knob would
pull out. Pulling knob out while turning it moves the Kollsman window
altimeter reading, so set your known elevation first, then pull out knob
and
set altimeter.
Now, does anyone know how to calibrate an rpm gauge? I have an ACS
cheapo
that reads 500 with the engine shut down.
kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
Yes, don=B4t remove the altimeter screw. I did that
too. Just loosen. It takes a bit of jiggling to
disengage the gears and the same to get
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you want ;-) |
I represent an 85 yr young, non-computer, builder Robert Harms who completed
his Series V last year and is taking lessons in it to renew his BFR.
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;-)
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
Will be 41 on 911. Since 2001, this day is not as
happy as it used to be...
__________________________________________________
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com>
Ok, I turned 49 yesterday, will be that age until I turn 59, then I'll be 59 until...
--------
kitfoxmike
kitfox4 1200 912ul speedster
http://www.frappr.com/kitfoxmike
rv7 wingkit
reserved 287RV
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;-)
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Is someone taking note of our ages to average it?
Gosh, when I think that, three years ago, when I started flying at 55,
I thought: My father was retired from the Belgium air force at 50, I
might already be too old to fly. Nice to see that ... I am only a kid
compared to some of us. It means: Possibly still many years ahead of
flying pleasure!
Cheers,
Michel
do not archive
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| Subject: | 125 HP Franklin 4A-235 on a Kitfox |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Stan Bearup" <bearup@ida.net>
Has anyone on this list had any experience with a Franklin 4A-235 engine on
a Kitfox, or know of anyone who has? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks a lot.
Stan Bearup
bearup@ida.net
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@mcmsys.com>
I haven't been on the list long so excuse. I really can't see how a vent
cross tube at the top of each tank could cause porting,,,which I assume you
mean what I'd call "unporting" or getting no fuel flow from the supply line,
at the bottom of each tank, to the header tank behind the seat. BUT if
you've been there and done that,,,,that's good enough for me. Bob U.
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Oakley" <john@leptron.com>
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 11:15 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: RE: Kitfox-Fuel Flow
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Oakley" <john@leptron.com>
>
> Ok guys, correct me if you can. Did we not decide many years ago to not
> install the cross tub (vent) because the tanks were porting and caused
> several ship to go down.
>
> John Oakley
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Bob,
>
> I don't understand. Before I worry about fixes, I like to be able to
> understand the problem. Can you explain the problem so I can understand
it?
>
> Lowell
> From: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@mcmsys.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>
>
> What about an equalizing "vent line" between the two tanks. That's what
my
> C-150 does, but it doesn't completely flow equally either, since the
Cessna
> vent is located in the Pilots tank ONLY. Were the Kitfoxes are Vented
using
>
> the fill cap on each tank, the cross flow vent ( above fuel level) might
> improve this. What do you think??? Bob U.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Shane Sather
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 8:51 AM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: RE: Kitfox-Fuel Flow
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rueb, Duane" <ruebd@skymail.csus.edu>
John:
I fly in and out of hard surfaced runways primarily, so am not
blessed with the forgiveness that grass can give, which usually allows
more side slip to the mains than does a rough asphalt, which is quite
grabby, and not inclined to give a pilot a break, or should I say it is
inclined to cause a break in the intended straight, forward path. I
have been thinking that a larger tailwheel rolling radius, together with
the resilience of a pneumatic tire that is not a continuous, hard edge,
could very well cause the whole system to have better manners.
Your thread is the first confirming input that I have had on
this topic, and I am encouraged by it. I assume that you previously
were using a smaller diameter, hard rubber tired assembly similar to
mine.
Thanks, Duane Rueb
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 1:20 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: tail wheel
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
John, I went to the Homebuilders special dual fork. I like it.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Oakley" <john@leptron.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2006 11:43 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: tail wheel
> Hi Guys,
>
> While we are still on the tail wheel thing, I would like to say that
the
> best single item I replaced in 1000 hours in fox's was the tail wheel.
I
> went to a matco pneumatic wheel last year and can say that is as close
to
> a
> easy and straight run out I have ever had. Any one else change things?
>
>
> John Oakley
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you want ;-) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net>
Michel and all,
I tallied up the responses so far and here are the results:
Average age: 56.8 years
Youngest: 30 years (thats me)
Oldest: 85 years
I gotta do something at work to keep me entertained [Wink]
Darin
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you want ;-) |
Maxwell Duke 37 yo. S6/TD/IO240 flying since April 2003.
darinh <gerns25@netscape.net> wrote: --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "darinh"
I am currently building a Series 7 and started wondering if there are any other
builders located near Salt Lake City, Utah. Then I started wondering what the
general demographic of our group looked like (age wise). I figured this would
be a fun topic and I may get to now some of you better by putting it out there.
I will start with myself...I am 30 and have owned a Model III and am currently
building a Series 7 (almost finished with the Fuse).
If there are any of you that are located near Salt Lake City, Utah let me know,
I wouldn't mind some moral support/encouragement while building.
Darin
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=56191#56191
Maxwell Duke
S6/IO240/Phase II Flight Testing
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you want |
;-)
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Michel,
I knew a man in Livermore, just west of here that at age 80 designed , built
and flew a 5/8th scale P-38. Because of engine choice and HP through the
prop it's perfromance was a disappointment. He then started another
project. He has been my inspiration.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel Verheughe" <michel@online.no>
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 9:56 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you
want ;-)
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
> Is someone taking note of our ages to average it?
> Gosh, when I think that, three years ago, when I started flying at 55, I
> thought: My father was retired from the Belgium air force at 50, I might
> already be too old to fly. Nice to see that ... I am only a kid compared
> to some of us. It means: Possibly still many years ahead of flying
> pleasure!
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
> do not archive
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 125 HP Franklin 4A-235 on a Kitfox |
Only thing I heard is 3rd hand at least. Not on a Fox either, but complaints of
oil leaks.
Maxwell S6/TD/IO240
Stan Bearup <bearup@ida.net> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Stan Bearup"
Has anyone on this list had any experience with a Franklin 4A-235 engine on
a Kitfox, or know of anyone who has? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks a lot.
Stan Bearup
bearup@ida.net
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| Subject: | : Kitfox-Fuel Flow |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Oakley" <john@leptron.com>
Bob,
We had several planes go down with full tanks. They were down do to fuel
starvation. At the time we (the list and the factory and I believe the faa
were in also) decided no cross drains were necessary, they were of no use.
We also decided that a vent from the header tank was bad as it would allow
the header to drain with out sucking from a wing tank. The wing tanks could
un-port in turns because of the loop needed to fold the wings. The factory
also quit using the wing tank shut offs under the rear deck, but , I have
never agreed with that. Many of us at the time installed the header vent
lines to a drain fitting under the fuse. But I find once vented it is now
necessary to re-vent air from header. Once a year, seems to be plenty. Many
of us installed a 12 volt booster pump under the seat. Now when sucking fuel
at the engine, or at the booster pump, fuel has to come from one wing or the
other.
-> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@mcmsys.com>
I haven't been on the list long so excuse. I really can't see how a vent
cross tube at the top of each tank could cause porting,,,which I assume you
mean what I'd call "unporting" or getting no fuel flow from the supply line,
at the bottom of each tank, to the header tank behind the seat. BUT if
you've been there and done that,,,,that's good enough for me. Bob U.
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Oakley" <john@leptron.com>
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 11:15 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: RE: Kitfox-Fuel Flow
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Oakley" <john@leptron.com>
>
> Ok guys, correct me if you can. Did we not decide many years ago to not
> install the cross tub (vent) because the tanks were porting and caused
> several ship to go down.
>
> John Oakley
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Bob,
>
> I don't understand. Before I worry about fixes, I like to be able to
> understand the problem. Can you explain the problem so I can understand
it?
>
> Lowell
> From: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@mcmsys.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>
>
> What about an equalizing "vent line" between the two tanks. That's what
my
> C-150 does, but it doesn't completely flow equally either, since the
Cessna
> vent is located in the Pilots tank ONLY. Were the Kitfoxes are Vented
using
>
> the fill cap on each tank, the cross flow vent ( above fuel level) might
> improve this. What do you think??? Bob U.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Shane Sather
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 8:51 AM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: RE: Kitfox-Fuel Flow
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Oakley" <john@leptron.com>
Duane,
My original tail wheel was the maule, yuk, I would never fly one again. My
matco looked funny when first installed but I sure do love it. You are right
about the larger and narrow tread.
john
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rueb, Duane
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 3:06 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: tail wheel
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rueb, Duane" <ruebd@skymail.csus.edu>
John:
I fly in and out of hard surfaced runways primarily, so am not
blessed with the forgiveness that grass can give, which usually allows
more side slip to the mains than does a rough asphalt, which is quite
grabby, and not inclined to give a pilot a break, or should I say it is
inclined to cause a break in the intended straight, forward path. I
have been thinking that a larger tailwheel rolling radius, together with
the resilience of a pneumatic tire that is not a continuous, hard edge,
could very well cause the whole system to have better manners.
Your thread is the first confirming input that I have had on
this topic, and I am encouraged by it. I assume that you previously
were using a smaller diameter, hard rubber tired assembly similar to
mine.
Thanks, Duane Rueb
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 1:20 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: tail wheel
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
John, I went to the Homebuilders special dual fork. I like it.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Oakley" <john@leptron.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2006 11:43 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: tail wheel
> Hi Guys,
>
> While we are still on the tail wheel thing, I would like to say that
the
> best single item I replaced in 1000 hours in fox's was the tail wheel.
I
> went to a matco pneumatic wheel last year and can say that is as close
to
> a
> easy and straight run out I have ever had. Any one else change things?
>
>
> John Oakley
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you want |
;-)
So I guess I won't throw off your average. I'm 56.9, test flying a model 2 with
582 gray head. After todays 1.8 hours, I've less than 3 to go before N99KX is
legal to fly anywhere.
do not archive
darinh <gerns25@netscape.net> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "darinh"
Michel and all,
I tallied up the responses so far and here are the results:
Average age: 56.8 years
Youngest: 30 years (thats me)
Oldest: 85 years
I gotta do something at work to keep me entertained [Wink]
Darin
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=56391#56391
Marco Menezes
Model 2 582 N99KX
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox in Thailand? |
Hello Lowell:
Yes, I am unhappy when I see people contributing to the child sex trade
industry. Doesn't matter to me if the party owns a kitfox or not! Kitfox
ownership is not a get out of jail free card.
I take it by the condescending tone of your message, those not willing
to overpay for a used Kitfox are not allowed on this list? Like it or not,
it is a buyer's market for airplanes, let alone experimentals. Doesn't
matter what you ask for a product, what matters is what the buyer is willing
to pay. It is a testament to feeble mindedness that someone would get hate
mail for pricing their kitfox "too low".
On 8/21/06, Lowell Fitt <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> John, Just curious, what is your interest in the Kitfox list. It doesn't
> seem that you have much knowledge regarding the airplane and your posts
> seem
> rather bitter in tone. Are you unhappy?
>
> Lowell
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Galt" <johngalt.0@gmail.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 1:37 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox in Thailand?
>
>
> >I really don't think very much of the child sex trade.
> >
> > On 8/19/06, WBL <aeromer@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: WBL <aeromer@ix.netcom.com>
> >>
> >> Is Michel Gordillo still on the Kitfox list? I believe that he landed
> in
> >> Thailand on his epic Madrid to Oshkosh flight in 1998 and connected
> with
> >> some Kitfox builders in South Asia. I have met Kitfoxers in many
> >> countries
> >> around the world. A Google search usually comes up with aircraft type
> >> clubs, etc. AeroMer N102KM (tail dragger with amphib floats in the
> near
> >> future)
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >From: Colin Durey <colin@ptclhk.com>
> >> >Sent: Aug 19, 2006 4:13 PM
> >> >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> >> >Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox in Thailand?
> >> >
> >> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Colin Durey" <colin@ptclhk.com>
> >> >
> >> >Hi Guys!,
> >> >
> >> > I'm about to do a work stint in Thailand for the next couple of
> months
> >> >(there goes the building schedule), and was wondering if anyone knows
> of
> >> >any Kitfoxes flying in Thailand. If there are any there, I'd like to
> try
> >> >and make contact to see if I can both look over their a/c and, if
> >> >possible, do a bit of flying.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Regards
> >> >
> >> >Colin Durey
> >> >Sydney
> >> >+61-418-677073 (M)
> >> >+61-2-945466162 (F)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | : Kitfox-Fuel Flow |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Oakley" <john@leptron.com>
I forgot to mention the planes that went down doe to fuel starvation, were
full of fuel.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Oakley
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 12:03 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: : Kitfox-Fuel Flow
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Oakley" <john@leptron.com>
Bob,
We had several planes go down with full tanks. They were down do to fuel
starvation. At the time we (the list and the factory and I believe the faa
were in also) decided no cross drains were necessary, they were of no use.
We also decided that a vent from the header tank was bad as it would allow
the header to drain with out sucking from a wing tank. The wing tanks could
un-port in turns because of the loop needed to fold the wings. The factory
also quit using the wing tank shut offs under the rear deck, but , I have
never agreed with that. Many of us at the time installed the header vent
lines to a drain fitting under the fuse. But I find once vented it is now
necessary to re-vent air from header. Once a year, seems to be plenty. Many
of us installed a 12 volt booster pump under the seat. Now when sucking fuel
at the engine, or at the booster pump, fuel has to come from one wing or the
other.
-> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@mcmsys.com>
I haven't been on the list long so excuse. I really can't see how a vent
cross tube at the top of each tank could cause porting,,,which I assume you
mean what I'd call "unporting" or getting no fuel flow from the supply line,
at the bottom of each tank, to the header tank behind the seat. BUT if
you've been there and done that,,,,that's good enough for me. Bob U.
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Oakley" <john@leptron.com>
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 11:15 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: RE: Kitfox-Fuel Flow
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Oakley" <john@leptron.com>
>
> Ok guys, correct me if you can. Did we not decide many years ago to not
> install the cross tub (vent) because the tanks were porting and caused
> several ship to go down.
>
> John Oakley
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Bob,
>
> I don't understand. Before I worry about fixes, I like to be able to
> understand the problem. Can you explain the problem so I can understand
it?
>
> Lowell
> From: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@mcmsys.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>
>
> What about an equalizing "vent line" between the two tanks. That's what
my
> C-150 does, but it doesn't completely flow equally either, since the
Cessna
> vent is located in the Pilots tank ONLY. Were the Kitfoxes are Vented
using
>
> the fill cap on each tank, the cross flow vent ( above fuel level) might
> improve this. What do you think??? Bob U.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Shane Sather
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 8:51 AM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: RE: Kitfox-Fuel Flow
>
>
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| Subject: | Inspiration. WAS: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
On Aug 22, 2006, at 7:41 PM, Lowell Fitt wrote:
> He then started another project. He has been my inspiration.
I understand, Lowell. We all need inspiration. The power of the example
is often underestimated. Much of my life philosophy has been from
meeting inspiring people.
The guy who inspired me to fly is a Swede called Jerker Berg. He is mid
60s, wheelchair user and trike pilot. He flies everywhere in Europe,
even did the Ultralight Tour de France!
http://www.nak.no/mikro/html/Galleri/Vektskift/jerker.html
Did I mention that I can't wait to meet you in September? :-)
Cheers,
Michel
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Is a taildragger dangerous? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
On Aug 21, 2006, at 4:34 PM, kirkhull wrote:
> However they count as an accident and therefore show up
> on the FAA stats that insurance companies use to compare risks.
Thank you. Yes, I know that nothing is more accurate than the insurance
companies statistics. Taildraggers cost more to insure. Forgive me for
not explaining better my enquiry. I'll try again:
1) Ground loop from bad landing in good weather condition. Is it a real
danger when you have several hundred landings on a plane you know well?
Will I, one day, loose control without apparent reason? I have heard of
two ground loops that needed much repairs (one Kitfox and one Avid
Flyer) around here. But they were both first-time pilots.
2) Ground loop from crosswind landing. How bad is it? Is there a risk
that the downwind wing touches the ground? My experience from marginal
crosswind landing is that I end up not parallel with the runway but
nothing much more, really. You can't do a full 360 ground loop because
of crosswind, can you? Won't the windvaneing effect keeps from rotating
more than into the wind?
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you want ;-) |
several 'Foxes in northern Utah but I believe I am the only one on the list.
John Kerr
Logan
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "darinh"
>
> I am currently building a Series 7 and started wondering if there are any other
> builders located near Salt Lake City, Utah. Then I started wondering what the
> general demographic of our group looked like (age wise). I figured this would
> be a fun topic and I may get to now some of you better by putting it out there.
>
> I will start with myself...I am 30 and have owned a Model III and am currently
> building a Series 7 (almost finished with the Fuse).
>
> If there are any of you that are located near Salt Lake City, Utah let me know,
> I wouldn't mind some moral support/encouragement while building.
>
> Darin
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=56191#56191
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
<html><body>
<DIV>several 'Foxes in northern Utah but I believe I am the only one on the list.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>John Kerr</DIV>
<DIV>Logan</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px
solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR>From: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net>
<BR><BR>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "darinh"
<GERNS25@NETSCAPE.NET><BR>> <BR>> I am currently building a Series
7 and started wondering if there are any other <BR>> builders located near
Salt Lake City, Utah. Then I started wondering what the <BR>> general demographic
of our group looked like (age wise). I figured this would <BR>> be
a fun topic and I may get to now some of you better by putting it out there.
<BR>> <BR>> I will start with myself...I am 30 and have owned a Model III
and am currently <BR>> building a Series 7 (almost finished with the Fuse).
<BR>> <BR>> If there are any of you that are located near Salt Lake
City, Utah let me know, <BR>> I wouldn't mind some moral support/encouragement
while building. <BR>> <BR>> Darin <BR>>
<BR>&g
some
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you want ;-) |
65 currently flying "Light Sport" Classic IV waiting for special issued medical,
nearly 6 months in the process.
Logan Ut
John Kerr
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Mo" <mo44d@comcast.net>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Mo"
>
> Will be 68 the 31st. Expect to receive my 7A around October 1st. from John
> McBean and begin building.
> Mo N831MF reserved.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "darinh"
> To:
> Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 8:23 PM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you want
> ;-)
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "darinh"
> >
> > I am currently building a Series 7 and started wondering if there are any
> other builders located near Salt Lake City, Utah. Then I started wondering
> what the general demographic of our group looked like (age wise). I figured
> this would be a fun topic and I may get to now some of you better by putting
> it out there.
> >
> > I will start with myself...I am 30 and have owned a Model III and am
> currently building a Series 7 (almost finished with the Fuse).
> >
> > If there are any of you that are located near Salt Lake City, Utah let me
> know, I wouldn't mind some moral support/encouragement while building.
> >
> > Darin
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=56191#56191
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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<DIV>65 currently flying "Light Sport" Classic IV waiting for special issued medical,
nearly 6 months in the process.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Logan Ut</DIV>
<DIV>John Kerr</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR>From: "Mo" <mo44d@comcast.net>
<BR><BR>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Mo" <MO44D@COMCAST.NET><BR>>
<BR>> Will be 68 the 31st. Expect to receive my 7A
around October 1st. from John <BR>> McBean and begin building. <BR>> Mo
N831MF reserved. <BR>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From: "darinh"
<GERNS25@NETSCAPE.NET><BR>> To: <KITFOX-LIST@MATRONICS.COM><BR>> Sent:
Monday, August 21, 2006 8:23 PM <BR>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Pilot/Builder
Age?? (you can lie if you want <BR>> ;-) <BR>> <BR>> <BR>>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "darinh" <GERNS25@NETSCAPE.NET><BR>>
> <BR>> > I am currently building a Series 7 and started wondering
if there are any <BR>> other builders located near Salt Lake City, Utah.
Then I started wondering <BR>> what the general d
emogra
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| Subject: | Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you want ;-) |
John Oakley, after all these years you are overflying Logan and not once have we
met up. I am about ready to do the valve check thing again.
John
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "John Oakley" <john@leptron.com>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Oakley"
>
> Darin,
> I am in Idaho Falls, but am dating a professor from Weber state. (a girl)
> She lives in Morgan, and I have been flying my speedster into the Morgan
> county airstrip. Cool place, narrow canyon, next to airspace, nasty winds,
> short approach,one way or so they say. I love it..will be there on the
> coming holiday , holler if you want visitors.
> John
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt"
>
> Let's see, this is 2006, that makes my 65, I think.
>
> Lowell
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "darinh"
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "darinh"
> >
> > I am currently building a Series 7 and started wondering if there are any
> > other builders located near Salt Lake City, Utah. Then I started
> > wondering what the general demographic of our group looked like (age
> > wise). I figured this would be a fun topic and I may get to now some of
> > you better by putting it out there.
> >
> > I will start with myself...I am 30 and have owned a Model III and am
> > currently building a Series 7 (almost finished with the Fuse).
> >
> > If there are any of you that are located near Salt Lake City, Utah let me
> > know, I wouldn't mind some moral support/encouragement while building.
> >
> > Darin
>
>
>
>
>
>
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<DIV>John Oakley, after all these years you are overflying Logan and not once have
we met up. I am about ready to do the valve check thing again.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>John</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR>From: "John Oakley"
<john@leptron.com> <BR><BR>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by:
"John Oakley" <JOHN@LEPTRON.COM><BR>> <BR>> Darin, <BR>> I am in Idaho
Falls, but am dating a professor from Weber state. (a girl) <BR>> She lives
in Morgan, and I have been flying my speedster into the Morgan <BR>> county
airstrip. Cool place, narrow canyon, next to airspace, nasty winds, <BR>>
short approach,one way or so they say. I love it..will be there on the <BR>>
coming holiday , holler if you want visitors. <BR>> John <BR>> <BR>>
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <LCFITT@SBCGLOBAL.NET><BR>>
<BR>> Let's see, this is 2006, that makes my 65, I think. <BR>>
<BR>> Lowell <BR>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From: "darinh"
<GERNS25@NETSCAPE.NET><BR>> <BR>> <BR>> &g
t; --&
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you want |
;-)
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
I hope you're still flying at 90, Darin....I'm nearly 70, with a 5-way
bypass in my history 5 yrs ago, and a family history to boot. Keep the
cholesterol down, and keep taking those walks...are you listening D?
(another D, Darin)
Lynn
On Monday, August 21, 2006, at 11:32 PM, darinh wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net>
>
> This is a great list, isn't it? I see that most of us are close to
> the 60 year young mark. Tell you the honest truth, I hope to still be
> flying when I am 60 (heart disease runs in the family). I guess I may
> be one of the youngest on the list.
>
> Dave,
>
> You are in Huntsville? That is only about 30 minutes from me, I am in
> Kaysville. Where are you based...Morgan or Ogden? Are you building
> or flying? Feel free to reply off list if you want to.
>
> Darin
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=56237#56237
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Is a taildragger dangerous? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com>
I've seen and had personaly, more trouble with: sheer winds, turbulance-left over
from bigger aircraft, and the famous whirlwinds. I've also had problems from
the landing lights in the runways at the bigger airports, like to throw you
around if your not on it good. I feel these things would cause a problem for
the triks as well, just that the mains are aft of CG so straightening out is
much easier, if you have to do anything at all. don't know, haven't flown a trik
kitfox. How about it you people that have triks? how do they responds when
thrown around?
--------
kitfoxmike
kitfox4 1200 912ul speedster
http://www.frappr.com/kitfoxmike
rv7 wingkit
reserved 287RV
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Kitfox-Fuel Flow |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
You must have one of those prototype Kitfox rubber expanding cowls. : )
Lynn
do not archive
On Tuesday, August 22, 2006, at 08:18 AM, Algate wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
>
> Ah ha - At first I didn't understand but after close inspection I see
> you
> picked up on the sudden growth of my 2200. By the end of the week I
> hope it
> will grow up to a 3300 and then I will have something to bragg about.
>
> Gary Algate
> Model4/2400-1/2
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn
> Matteson
> Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 11:42 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: RE: Kitfox-Fuel Flow
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>
> Rats! You outdid me Gary...now I have to get one of those 2400 Jabiru's
> too! : ) (see your sig)
>
> Lynn
> do not archive
> On Monday, August 21, 2006, at 05:27 PM, Algate wrote:
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
>>
>> Thanks Lowell
>>
>> I wouldn't have even been concerned but my last plane had a single
>> wing tank
>> and a 10 Gal Panel tank. I noticed on a few occasions that the fuel
>> would
>> stop flowing from the wing if I used a lot of flap or carried out a
>> long
>> descent with low wing tank. I could see this because I had a clear
>> fuel line
>> but it was never an issue as I had a panel tank that I could easily
>> see
>> remaining fuel level. I actually fitted a primer bulb between the wing
>> tank
>> and panel tank which made it extremely easy to re-start the flow if
>> the wing
>> tank ever un-ported.
>>
>>
>> With my new plane having dual wing tanks and a hidden header tank I
>> have no
>> visual perception of what is going on so that is why I immediately
>> fitted
>> the low fuel level sensor on the small header tank behind my seat and
>> my
>> ensuing question re fuel flow.
>>
>> With all of the responses it appears that my concerns are not that
>> valid
>>
>> Thanks again
>>
>> Gary Algate
>> Model 4/Jab2400
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lowell
>> Fitt
>> Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 4:46 PM
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: RE: Kitfox-Fuel Flow
>>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt"
>> <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>>
>> Gary,
>>
>> We discussed this on our trip and one guy suggested that the fuel flow
>> has
>> to do with the vent on the right tank. His thinking is - and I sort
>> of
>> agree with it - that the pitot on the fuel cap gives some pressure on
>> the
>> left tank - thought to be 1 or so psi. The right tank is vented and
>> the
>> pitot pressure on that tank is neutralized by the vent which tend to
>> pressurize the header tank rather than the wing tank.
>>
>> The most significant thing, though, is that it is no problem unless
>> you
>> don't like the assymetry.
>>
>> Lowell
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 6:11 AM
>> Subject: Kitfox-List: RE: Kitfox-Fuel Flow
>>
>>
>>> Good morning
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I flew a short cross country on the weekend from Barrie to the UPAC
>>> (Ultra
>>> Light Pilots Association Canada) convention near Waterloo (approx 100
>>> miles).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> My new acquisition performed great but I noticed that the pilot side
>>> tank
>>> drained at almost twice the rate of the Passenger side. I have heard
>>> stories
>>> that if you fly un-coordinated this can happen but I was definitely
>>> flying
>>> straight and true.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> When I landed I checked the fuel flow from the tank into the header
>>> but it
>>> was excellent (I have a large puddle to prove it).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have no valves in the system other than the main fuel shut off
>>> under the
>>> panel and although I'm sure that both tanks would eventually drain I
>>> really
>>> don't understand the variation. I have a low fuel warning mounted on
>>> my
>>> header so I will do some circuits to see if the tank drains
>>> completely
>>> before the other one starts to flow.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Do I have a problem or is it normal to see unequal fuel flow?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Gary Algate
>>>
>>> Model 4 / Jab2200
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: ALtimeter adjustment |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Noel-
I was advised to fly the plane, and align it with hedge rows....N-S and
E-W. I tried this last night, but some of the rows curved, so I'm not
sure how accurate this advice is. I first tried to set the compass
using the GPS, but was tracking wrong for this to work. If you set it
on the ground, how do you make sure the plane is exactly aligned with
the compass rose? And in your case, floats, ??????
Lynn
On Tuesday, August 22, 2006, at 08:51 AM, Noel Loveys wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
>
> Thanks for the reminder. I had been planning on resetting my
> Altimeter for
> a long time now and never seemed to get around to it. While I was at
> it I
> did the VSI the next step is a compass swing... Not too easy on floats.
>
> Noel
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>> kurt schrader
>> Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 4:24 PM
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: RE: ALtimeter adjustment
>>
>>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
>> <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>>
>> Yes, dont remove the altimeter screw. I did that
>> too. Just loosen. It takes a bit of jiggling to
>> disengage the gears and the same to get them
>> reengaged. I believe you set the altitude first, then
>> pull the knob to reset the window only, then push
>> while wiggling to reengage the gears and then tighten
>> the screw.
>>
>> Kurt S.
>>
>> __________________________________________________
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Kitfox-Fuel Flow |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Yeah, I suppose that would work, Noel...heck, just shutting off the
tanks before starting the engine would allow for the header tank to
supply the engine during warmup thereby lowering the header level and
actuating the low fuel switch. Good suggestion...I wouldn't even have
to level the plane actually...I could just taxi around warming the
engine and it would run the vent system out pretty quickly. My low fuel
canister (a Murle Williams product) is located in the clear vent line,
and I could watch it lower to the point of setting off the float switch
as it ran...much safer.
Lynn
On Tuesday, August 22, 2006, at 09:35 AM, Noel Loveys wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
>
> Why not tie the tail to a stand first (to level the plane) and do the
> test
> on the ground first?
>
> Noel
>
>> One of these days, I'll shut off the two feed lines and see how my
>> low-fuel warning system works....maybe while cruising right over the
>> airport. : )
>>
>> Lynn
>> Kitfox IV Speedster...Jabiru 2200
>
>
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| Subject: | RE: Kitfox-Fuel Flow... ERROR recalled |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>
Cliff pointed out the error in my message of yesterday where I said
that I had removed the finger screens from my model IV. He mailed me
directly, and I responded to him directly, but the message bounced back
to me. I've copied my reply to him below. I'm doing this because I
don't want to reprint his message to me, but I want the collective
group to understand that I was in error when I said that I removed the
screens...I had not, and neither should anyone.
> Cliff-
> You are absolutely correct regarding the finger screens, and now that
> I've had my afternoon nap and evening flight, I can say that I was
> wrong in stating that I removed the screens....I HAD NOT removed the
> screens, only the quick drains (per suggestions from this group). I
> must've been so quick to respond with some "words of wisdom" that I
> forgot what changes I had made.
> Thanks for correcting me and making me recall exactly what I did.
> Hell, I even recall telling my neighbor what the finger screens were
> for and how cleverly they could allow crud to pile up on them and
> still flow fuel.
>
> Geez, is there any way to add "archive, do not " to my earlier post?
>
> Kids, do not try this (removing finger screens) at home!!!
>
> (an embarrassed) Lynn
> p.s. I owe the "barefoot pilot" a pair of shoes for pointing that
> blunder out : )
>
On Monday, August 21, 2006, at 05:24 PM, Lynn Matteson wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>
> I have removed the finger screens in both tanks, as well as the
> quick-drains in each tank, per suggestions from this group. I stole an
> idea from Bill Willyard (thanks, Bill) and used a quarter-turn shutoff
> valve in each fuel line (8 inches down from the tanks) just ahead of
> an in-line Purolator glass filter (now sold by NAPA) then down to my
> header tank (thanks Deke) which acts as a gascolator. I use this as my
> sump drain to check for water, contaminants, etc. One of these days
> I'll use a suction gun to get right down to the bottom of the header
> tank and see what has accumulated there. From the header tank I go
> through another glass filter before the Facet pump and then onto the
> Jabiru's mechanical pump.
>
> Like you Gary, I have seen my tanks use a little more from one side
> than the other, then it will change. Because I'm learning to fly, I am
> practicing maneuvers, and probably doing more to one side than the
> other on occasion. When I hangar the plane, I park it level, and the
> next day the tanks are equal, as I leave the tank valves open and
> things normalize overnight.
>
> One of these days, I'll shut off the two feed lines and see how my
> low-fuel warning system works....maybe while cruising right over the
> airport. : )
>
> Lynn
> Kitfox IV Speedster...Jabiru 2200
>
> On Monday, August 21, 2006, at 09:11 AM, Algate wrote:
>
>> Good morning
>>
>>
>>
>> I flew a short cross country on the weekend from Barrie to the UPAC
>> (Ultra Light Pilots Association Canada) convention near Waterloo
>> (approx 100 miles).
>>
>>
>>
>> My new acquisition performed great but I noticed that the pilot side
>> tank drained at almost twice the rate of the Passenger side. I have
>> heard stories that if you fly un-coordinated this can happen but I
>> was definitely flying straight and true.
>>
>>
>>
>> When I landed I checked the fuel flow from the tank into the header
>> but it was excellent (I have a large puddle to prove it).
>>
>>
>>
>> I have no valves in the system other than the main fuel shut off
>> under the panel and although Im sure that both tanks would
>> eventually drain I really dont understand the variation. I have a
>> low fuel warning mounted on my header so I will do some circuits to
>> see if the tank drains completely before the other one starts to
>> flow.
>>
>>
>>
>> Do I have a problem or is it normal to see unequal fuel flow?
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>>
>>
>> Gary Algate
>>
>> Model 4 / Jab2200
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Cover and Finish |
The knock that I have heard about was a short service life. I would sure
like to hear from someone who has had it on their plane for a long time. 5
years? 10?
Randy
.
_____
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
kerrjohna@comcast.net
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 2:06 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Cover and Finish
Noel (the other one) of Blue Sky Aviation has used the product and even
represented them or a time but due to problems with the product or product
support brought him to the point of severing the relationship. The name
change may give a hint of previous problems.
The attractiveness of water cleanup may not compensate for other
shortcomings.
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Andy Fultz" <fultz@trip.net>
Has anybody on the list used, or do you know anybody that has used,
STEWART'S AIRCRAFT FINISHING SYSTEM
<http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714&grpId=4077554&grpspId=1600065618&msgId
=13258&stime=1153931815> to cover and finish their tube and fabric plane?
This system was formerly known as AIRCRAFT FINISHING SYSTEMS. Thanks.
Andy F.
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| Subject: | Is a taildragger dangerous? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kirkhull" <kirkhull@sbcglobal.net>
I have seen experienced pilots loose control on landing so the answer is
YES. However there is a reason, complacency. You must fly the plane until
it is stopped as for the X wind the same applies. You won't do a 360 but a
180 or more is possible due to inertia. However it is not likely. If you
keep your head in the game you won't have any problems.
Remember
Aviation in its self is not inherently dangerous, however it is very
unforgiving of any carelessness
I think that's the way that old saying goes
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michel
Verheughe
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 2:15 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Is a taildragger dangerous?
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
On Aug 21, 2006, at 4:34 PM, kirkhull wrote:
> However they count as an accident and therefore show up
> on the FAA stats that insurance companies use to compare risks.
Thank you. Yes, I know that nothing is more accurate than the insurance
companies statistics. Taildraggers cost more to insure. Forgive me for
not explaining better my enquiry. I'll try again:
1) Ground loop from bad landing in good weather condition. Is it a real
danger when you have several hundred landings on a plane you know well?
Will I, one day, loose control without apparent reason? I have heard of
two ground loops that needed much repairs (one Kitfox and one Avid
Flyer) around here. But they were both first-time pilots.
2) Ground loop from crosswind landing. How bad is it? Is there a risk
that the downwind wing touches the ground? My experience from marginal
crosswind landing is that I end up not parallel with the runway but
nothing much more, really. You can't do a full 360 ground loop because
of crosswind, can you? Won't the windvaneing effect keeps from rotating
more than into the wind?
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Ignition switch question |
MessageHi Noel, after evaluating this and a few other emails I've
decided that since I don't want to recut the panel for the Cessna dual
switch I'll simply add another fuse and a second master switch. It's the
simplest solution. So, I have a master switch for the rectifier to Pos
bus and a master for battery to Pos bus. I've already got a spare switch
position and a spare fuse position.
----- Original Message -----
From: Noel Loveys
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 11:51 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Ignition switch question
This is how I hooked up a master switch for my Kitfox. The relay is
not a starter relay (it would overheat) but the type of relay used in
RVs for the extra battery. Just for the the way it looked my master
switch is a long toggle with a red light in it of the type they use on
tractor trailers. The light draws attention to the switch which can be
a good thing if things start to get real busy. The advantages of this
hook up are; The high current wiring is all outside the fire wall, the
switch lead can be fused at the battery and the relay completely
disconnects all power form the battery when the master switch is open.
The disadvantage is the 5 or 6 ounces the relay weighs.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave G.
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 12:27 AM
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: Ignition switch question
On my Kitfox as wired the output from the rectifier (582 with the
original rect) is wired directly to the positive battery bus with no
cutoff. I want to add a cutoff to completely isolate the battery. I've
seen diagrams the connect the rectifier output to the accessory terminal
of the ignition switch and there's no doubt this would accomplish my
goal but I have some doubt the ACS switch can take it. It also has the
drawback that you cannot isolate the rectifier without turning the
ignition to off.
Motorcycles are commonly wired exactly as my aircraft is now, so
perhaps this is what most people do. So, whats the popular method?
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Kitfox-Fuel Flow... ERROR recalled |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Torgeir Mortensen" <torgemor@online.no>
Hi Lynn,
Just to say- I've started writing about this, (removing the first an most
important "barrier" in the fuel system is...)
Glad to hear that this was an error..
Torgeir
On Tue, 22 Aug 2006 23:21:53 +0200, Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>
>>
>
> Cliff pointed out the error in my message of yesterday where I said that
> I had removed the finger screens from my model IV. He mailed me
> directly, and I responded to him directly, but the message bounced back
> to me. I've copied my reply to him below. I'm doing this because I don't
> want to reprint his message to me, but I want the collective group to
> understand that I was in error when I said that I removed the
> screens...I had not, and neither should anyone.
>
>> Cliff-
>> You are absolutely correct regarding the finger screens, and now that
>> I've had my afternoon nap and evening flight, I can say that I was
>> wrong in stating that I removed the screens....I HAD NOT removed the
>> screens, only the quick drains (per suggestions from this group). I
>> must've been so quick to respond with some "words of wisdom" that I
>> forgot what changes I had made.
>> Thanks for correcting me and making me recall exactly what I did. Hell,
>> I even recall telling my neighbor what the finger screens were for and
>> how cleverly they could allow crud to pile up on them and still flow
>> fuel.
>>
>> Geez, is there any way to add "archive, do not " to my earlier post?
>>
>> Kids, do not try this (removing finger screens) at home!!!
>>
>> (an embarrassed) Lynn
>> p.s. I owe the "barefoot pilot" a pair of shoes for pointing that
>> blunder out : )
>>
>
> On Monday, August 21, 2006, at 05:24 PM, Lynn Matteson wrote:
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>>
>> I have removed the finger screens in both tanks, as well as the
>> quick-drains in each tank, per suggestions from this group. I stole an
>> idea from Bill Willyard (thanks, Bill) and used a quarter-turn shutoff
>> valve in each fuel line (8 inches down from the tanks) just ahead of an
>> in-line Purolator glass filter (now sold by NAPA) then down to my
>> header tank (thanks Deke) which acts as a gascolator. I use this as my
>> sump drain to check for water, contaminants, etc. One of these days
>> I'll use a suction gun to get right down to the bottom of the header
>> tank and see what has accumulated there. From the header tank I go
>> through another glass filter before the Facet pump and then onto the
>> Jabiru's mechanical pump.
>>
>> Like you Gary, I have seen my tanks use a little more from one side
>> than the other, then it will change. Because I'm learning to fly, I am
>> practicing maneuvers, and probably doing more to one side than the
>> other on occasion. When I hangar the plane, I park it level, and the
>> next day the tanks are equal, as I leave the tank valves open and
>> things normalize overnight.
>>
>> One of these days, I'll shut off the two feed lines and see how my
>> low-fuel warning system works....maybe while cruising right over the
>> airport. : )
>>
>> Lynn
>> Kitfox IV Speedster...Jabiru 2200
>>
>> On Monday, August 21, 2006, at 09:11 AM, Algate wrote:
>>
>>> Good morning
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I flew a short cross country on the weekend from Barrie to the UPAC
>>> (Ultra Light Pilots Association Canada) convention near Waterloo
>>> (approx 100 miles).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> My new acquisition performed great but I noticed that the pilot side
>>> tank drained at almost twice the rate of the Passenger side. I have
>>> heard stories that if you fly un-coordinated this can happen but I was
>>> definitely flying straight and true.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> When I landed I checked the fuel flow from the tank into the header
>>> but it was excellent (I have a large puddle to prove it).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have no valves in the system other than the main fuel shut off under
>>> the panel and although Im sure that both tanks would eventually
>>> drain I really dont understand the variation. I have a low fuel
>>> warning mounted on my header so I will do some circuits to see if the
>>> tank drains completely before the other one starts to flow.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Do I have a problem or is it normal to see unequal fuel flow?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Gary Algate
>>>
>>> Model 4 / Jab2200
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | (re) build logbook. |
On my rebuild project I have started to actually build parts instead of
removing and examining. I have no builders log so far and wondered what
type of logs are nescessary / desirable. When I got this plane I got all
the documentation from the original build but they don't add up to a
diary of the build so much as a collection of correspondance with other
builders, denney/skystar and such. If there was ever a "diary" type log
such as I've seen on the web. I don't have it.
Also missing after the damage is the logbook, so I'll have to start from
scratch as I rebuild.
What types of logs do people keep. What am I obligated to keep, what is
desirable to keep?
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you want |
;-)
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "*" <caseclosed66@hotmail.com>
Boy i'm close.. Just turned 32 last week!
Of course when did you start yours??
I also have a piper saratoga for those trips to sun-n-fun
greg
----- Original Message -----
From: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 1:30 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you
want ;-)
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net>
>
> Michel and all,
>
> I tallied up the responses so far and here are the results:
>
> Average age: 56.8 years
> Youngest: 30 years (thats me)
> Oldest: 85 years
>
> I gotta do something at work to keep me entertained [Wink]
>
> Darin
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=56391#56391
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you want ;-) |
John Kerr,
I know it is silly , I have been to your airport many times and never a fox
owner in sight. I know how to get to you hanger now. But good grief the
place has grown. I will be happy to loan you the tools again, no problem. By
the way, have you seen your old buddy lately,(Larry) he still owes me
coffee, hummm 7 years now. He may have to buy a breakfast roll to go with it
now.
John Oakley
_____
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
kerrjohna@comcast.net
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 2:03 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you
want ;-)
John Oakley, after all these years you are overflying Logan and not once
have we met up. I am about ready to do the valve check thing again.
John
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "John Oakley" <john@leptron.com>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Oakley"
>
> Darin,
> I am in Idaho Falls, but am dating a professor from Weber state. (a girl)
> She lives in Morgan, and I have been flying my speedster into the Morgan
> county airstrip. Cool place, narrow canyon, next to airspace, nasty winds,
> short approach,one way or so they say. I love it..will be there on the
> coming holiday , holler if you want visitors.
> John
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt"
>
> Let's see, this is 2006, that makes my 65, I think.
>
> Lowell
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "darinh"
>
>
> &g t; --& Email
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| Subject: | Kitfox in Thailand? |
John
I don't usually reply to statements such as yours. But I take offence to the
fact that you may be suggesting that because a lot of us own a Kitfox we
somehow contribute to what may be going on in Thailand. Innuendos such as
this have no place on this list and suggest you curtail any further comments
in this regard. That is my humble opinion.
Ted Palamarek
DO NOT ARCHIVE
_____
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Galt
Sent: August 22, 2006 12:17 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox in Thailand?
Hello Lowell:
Yes, I am unhappy when I see people contributing to the child sex trade
industry. Doesn't matter to me if the party owns a kitfox or not! Kitfox
ownership is not a get out of jail free card.
I take it by the condescending tone of your message, those not willing to
overpay for a used Kitfox are not allowed on this list? Like it or not, it
is a buyer's market for airplanes, let alone experimentals. Doesn't matter
what you ask for a product, what matters is what the buyer is willing to
pay. It is a testament to feeble mindedness that someone would get hate mail
for pricing their kitfox "too low".
On 8/21/06, Lowell Fitt <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
John, Just curious, what is your interest in the Kitfox list. It doesn't
seem that you have much knowledge regarding the airplane and your posts seem
rather bitter in tone. Are you unhappy?
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Galt" <johngalt.0@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 1:37 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox in Thailand?
>I really don't think very much of the child sex trade.
>
> On 8/19/06, WBL < aeromer@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: WBL <aeromer@ix.netcom.com>
>>
>> Is Michel Gordillo still on the Kitfox list? I believe that he landed in
>> Thailand on his epic Madrid to Oshkosh flight in 1998 and connected with
>> some Kitfox builders in South Asia. I have met Kitfoxers in many
>> countries
>> around the world. A Google search usually comes up with aircraft type
>> clubs, etc. AeroMer N102KM (tail dragger with amphib floats in the near
>> future)
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> >From: Colin Durey <colin@ptclhk.com>
>> >Sent: Aug 19, 2006 4:13 PM
>> >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> >Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox in Thailand?
>> >
>> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Colin Durey" < colin@ptclhk.com
<mailto:colin@ptclhk.com> >
>> >
>> >Hi Guys!,
>> >
>> > I'm about to do a work stint in Thailand for the next couple of months
>> >(there goes the building schedule), and was wondering if anyone knows of
>> >any Kitfoxes flying in Thailand. If there are any there, I'd like to try
>> >and make contact to see if I can both look over their a/c and, if
>> >possible, do a bit of flying.
>> >
>> >
>> >Regards
>> >
>> >Colin Durey
>> >Sydney
>> >+61-418-677073 (M)
>> >+61-2-945466162 (F)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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| Subject: | Re: (re) build logbook. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dave and Diane <ddsyverson@comcast.net>
Dave G,
A lot of folks just keep it simple with a spiral bound notebook or a steno pad
- I use a steno pad, the left side to indicate the date & time on task
(hours) so I can find it easily, then what I did on the right side. Its just
a cronological record. When I need more space - just get a second steno pad.
Bottom line - legal stuff, if a person has the following questions answered in
whatever format you use it will be just fine: What was done, the date it was
done and who did it. If you are the only one doing it - no big deal. If you
have someone else do something - worthy of making a note of it.
There is some merit to having a bound book, spiral or otherwise, because
nobody can accuse a person of taking pages out and putting other pages in
their place.
As far as what is desireable - I notate little tricks I figured out to do
certain tasks, any modifications from the kit, also classify each task as to
what sub-assembly I was working on (Fuse, wing, landing gear etc) - just
think about what you will want to know in the future when you want to look it
up. I do not believe in overdoing it - I want to build a plane, not a russian
novel.
OK,,,OK! I also put together a searchable database which I have everything
entered in. That way I can look stuff up (like how many hours I worked on the
left wing - or genuinely useful stuff like where I bought the left hand
hoochiframus used in fabricating a part for the trim bracket). In this case,
the logic of what I want to find is driving the structure of the database.
Sincerely,
Dave S
St Paul, MN
Do Not Archive
On Tuesday 22 August 2006 5:15 pm, Dave G. wrote:
> On my rebuild project I have started to actually build parts instead of
> removing and examining. I have no builders log so far and wondered what
>
> What types of logs do people keep. What am I obligated to keep, what is
> desirable to keep?
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| Subject: | Kitfox in Thailand? |
Listen buddy, you need to look more closely at the message that you
responded to, and then explain yourself and your comments. The
reference to
Thailand was about a kitfox builder working there and another builder
who
had traveled there. I (and others who have already replied) don=92t
appreciate your implication. Either explain yourself or refrain from
posting here again. =91Nuf said.
Do not archive.
_____
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Galt
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox in Thailand?
Hello Lowell:
Yes, I am unhappy when I see people contributing to the child sex trade
industry. Doesn't matter to me if the party owns a kitfox or not! Kitfox
ownership is not a get out of jail free card.
I take it by the condescending tone of your message, those not willing
to
overpay for a used Kitfox are not allowed on this list? Like it or not,
it
is a buyer's market for airplanes, let alone experimentals. Doesn't
matter
what you ask for a product, what matters is what the buyer is willing to
pay. It is a testament to feeble mindedness that someone would get hate
mail
for pricing their kitfox "too low".
On 8/21/06, Lowell Fitt <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
John, Just curious, what is your interest in the Kitfox list. It
doesn't
seem that you have much knowledge regarding the airplane and your posts
seem
rather bitter in tone. Are you unhappy?
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Galt" <johngalt.0@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 1:37 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox in Thailand?
>I really don't think very much of the child sex trade.
>
> On 8/19/06, WBL < aeromer@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: WBL <aeromer@ix.netcom.com>
>>
>> Is Michel Gordillo still on the Kitfox list? I believe that he
landed in
>> Thailand on his epic Madrid to Oshkosh flight in 1998 and connected
with
>> some Kitfox builders in South Asia. I have met Kitfoxers in many
>> countries
>> around the world. A Google search usually comes up with aircraft
type
>> clubs, etc. AeroMer N102KM (tail dragger with amphib floats in the
near
>> future)
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> >From: Colin Durey <colin@ptclhk.com>
>> >Sent: Aug 19, 2006 4:13 PM
>> >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> >Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox in Thailand?
>> >
>> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Colin Durey" < colin@ptclhk.com
<mailto:colin@ptclhk.com> >
>> >
>> >Hi Guys!,
>> >
>> > I'm about to do a work stint in Thailand for the next couple of
months
>> >(there goes the building schedule), and was wondering if anyone
knows of
>> >any Kitfoxes flying in Thailand. If there are any there, I'd like to
try
>> >and make contact to see if I can both look over their a/c and, if
>> >possible, do a bit of flying.
>> >
>> >
>> >Regards
>> >
>> >Colin Durey
>> >Sydney
>> >+61-418-677073 (M)
>> >+61-2-945466162 (F)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox in Thailand? |
John,
I've been on this list close to 11 years and have known Lowell for most
of them. I read your post and his. Why you compared child sex trade
and a Kitfox on this list, I'll never know. The second part of the post
talked about the price of a kitfox and not being allowed on the list. I
was very confused about it all. Also, Lowell's post did not sound
condescending. He basically only asked, What does this have to do with
a Kitfox? I started to ask the same question. Occasionally, we get into
a big peeing contest over some misunderstood comment or opinion. I hope
this is not the case.
Don Smythe
Hello Lowell:
<Doesn't matter to me if the party owns a kitfox or not! Kitfox
ownership is not a get out of jail free card.
I take it by the condescending tone of your message, those not willing
to overpay for a used Kitfox are not allowed on this list? Like it or
not, it is a buyer's market
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| Subject: | Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you want ;-) |
Larry and I still play golf 4-5 times a week when he is in town. He just resigned
as zoning administrator for Teton County which had him up there a couple of
times each month for 3-4 days. But like this week he is up there for Fire Commission
meetings today and some kind of family thing the rest of the week.
Sometime when you are coming through let me know and I will meet you to get the
tools from you.
Thanks
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "John Oakley" <john@leptron.com>
John Kerr,
I know it is silly , I have been to your airport many times and never a fox owner
in sight. I know how to get to you hanger now. But good grief the place has
grown. I will be happy to loan you the tools again, no problem. By the way,
have you seen your old buddy lately,(Larry) he still owes me coffee, hummm 7 years
now. He may have to buy a breakfast roll to go with it now.
John Oakley
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kerrjohna@comcast.net
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 2:03 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you want ;-)
John Oakley, after all these years you are overflying Logan and not once have we
met up. I am about ready to do the valve check thing again.
John
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "John Oakley" <john@leptron.com>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Oakley"
>
> Darin,
> I am in Idaho Falls, but am dating a professor from Weber state. (a girl)
> She lives in Morgan, and I have been flying my speedster into the Morgan
> county airstrip. Cool place, narrow canyon, next to airspace, nasty winds,
> short approach,one way or so they say. I love it..will be there on the
> coming holiday , holler if you want visitors.
> John
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt"
>
> Let's see, this is 2006, that makes my 65, I think.
>
> Lowell
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "darinh"
>
>
> &g t; --& Email
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just resigned as zoning administrator for Teton County which had him up there
a couple of times each month for 3-4 days. But like this week he is up there for
Fire Commission meetings today and some kind of family thing the rest of the
week.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Sometime when you are coming through let me know and I will meet you to get
the tools from you.</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt;
COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I know it is silly , I have been to your
airport many times and never a fox owner in sight. I know how to get to you hanger
now. But good grief the place has grown. I will be happy to loan you
the tools again, no problem. By the way, have you seen your old buddy lately,(Larry)
he still owes me coffee, hummm 7 years now. He may have to buy a breakfast
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>kerrjohna@comcast.net<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Tuesday, August 22, 2006 2:03 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:PersonName w:st="on">kitfox-list@matronics.com</st1:PersonName><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> RE: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you want ;-)</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Oakley" <BR><JOHN@LEPTRON.COM>>
<BR>> Darin, <BR>> I am in <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Idaho
Falls</st1:place></st1:City>, but am dating a professor from Weber state.
(a girl) <BR>> She lives in Morgan, and I have been flying my speedster into
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be there on the <BR>> coming holiday , holler if you want visitors. <BR>>
John <BR>> <BR>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt"
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
I forgot to mention alignment on wheels without a compass rose. Well you
are supposed to use a calibrated reference compass to set out a compass rose
before you start or use a reverse heading sighting compass to set the
heading of the plane. Head the plane North Mag, Zero the compass until the
card points North (zero deviation). Then turn the plane to the East and set
the compass E-W to read 90 degrees. Now turn the plane south and remove
ONLY HALF of the correction to make the compass read South. You guessed it
turn to the west and remove ONLY HALF the E-W correction that would make
the compass read West. Now turn the plane to the North again and read the
compass that reading is what is supposed to be on the compass correction
card. Keep turning the plane in 45 deg increments recording the compass
readings at each point. Prepare the compass correction card.
Points to remember....
If you use the special sighting compass (Also calibrated) that reads in
reverse be sure to "shoot" the plane's direction from more than 30' in front
of the plane.
The compass should be level while making the corrections and the readings.
You can either jack up the tail or just swivel the compass to do this. An
in dash installed compass will require you to raise the tail at each
direction.
Use a non ferrous screw driver to make the adjustments. (Thought I'd miss
that one didn't you.)
There is one sure way to tell that a compass swing has been done with the
sole use of a BIC pen. The for 0 deg, head 0deg is a real give away. (If
you are going to cook the books at least do it right.)
Engine should be running (over 1000rpm.) and normal in flight electrical
equipment should be turned on.
Nothing too difficult until you have to do it on floats.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Lynn Matteson
> Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 6:10 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: RE: ALtimeter adjustment
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>
> Noel-
> I was advised to fly the plane, and align it with hedge
> rows....N-S and
> E-W. I tried this last night, but some of the rows curved,
> so I'm not
> sure how accurate this advice is. I first tried to set the compass
> using the GPS, but was tracking wrong for this to work. If you set it
> on the ground, how do you make sure the plane is exactly aligned with
> the compass rose? And in your case, floats, ??????
>
> Lynn
>
> On Tuesday, August 22, 2006, at 08:51 AM, Noel Loveys wrote:
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys"
> <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
> >
> > Thanks for the reminder. I had been planning on resetting my
> > Altimeter for
> > a long time now and never seemed to get around to it.
> While I was at
> > it I
> > did the VSI the next step is a compass swing... Not too
> easy on floats.
> >
> > Noel
> >
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> >> kurt schrader
> >> Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 4:24 PM
> >> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> >> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: RE: ALtimeter adjustment
> >>
> >>
> >> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
> >> <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
> >>
> >> Yes, dont remove the altimeter screw. I did that
> >> too. Just loosen. It takes a bit of jiggling to
> >> disengage the gears and the same to get them
> >> reengaged. I believe you set the altitude first, then
> >> pull the knob to reset the window only, then push
> >> while wiggling to reengage the gears and then tighten
> >> the screw.
> >>
> >> Kurt S.
> >>
> >> __________________________________________________
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| Subject: | Ignition switch question |
A simple solution is to use a heavy 60-80A switch in the
panel.....but.....
then you have to bring high current through the fire wall.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave G.
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 7:30 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Ignition switch question
Hi Noel, after evaluating this and a few other emails I've decided that
since I don't want to recut the panel for the Cessna dual switch I'll
simply
add another fuse and a second master switch. It's the simplest solution.
So,
I have a master switch for the rectifier to Pos bus and a master for
battery
to Pos bus. I've already got a spare switch position and a spare fuse
position.
----- Original Message -----
From: Noel <mailto:noelloveys@yahoo.ca> Loveys
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 11:51 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Ignition switch question
This is how I hooked up a master switch for my Kitfox. The relay is not
a
starter relay (it would overheat) but the type of relay used in RVs for
the
extra battery. Just for the the way it looked my master switch is a
long
toggle with a red light in it of the type they use on tractor trailers.
The
light draws attention to the switch which can be a good thing if things
start to get real busy. The advantages of this hook up are; The high
current wiring is all outside the fire wall, the switch lead can be
fused at
the battery and the relay completely disconnects all power form the
battery
when the master switch is open.
The disadvantage is the 5 or 6 ounces the relay weighs.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave G.
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 12:27 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Ignition switch question
On my Kitfox as wired the output from the rectifier (582 with the
original
rect) is wired directly to the positive battery bus with no cutoff. I
want
to add a cutoff to completely isolate the battery. I've seen diagrams
the
connect the rectifier output to the accessory terminal of the ignition
switch and there's no doubt this would accomplish my goal but I have
some
doubt the ACS switch can take it. It also has the drawback that you
cannot
isolate the rectifier without turning the ignition to off.
Motorcycles are commonly wired exactly as my aircraft is now, so perhaps
this is what most people do. So, whats the popular method?
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| Subject: | Re: Is a taildragger dangerous? |
There are some old saying in flying:
RETRACTABLES: there are two kinds of pilots those who have landed gear up
and those who will.
TAILDRAGGERS:there are two kinds of pilots those who have ground looped and
those who will.
AMPHIBIANS: :there are two kinds of pilots those who have waterlanded gear
down and those who will.
WE fly what we need for the mission. Enjoy and be careful.
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| Subject: | Re: RE: ALtimeter adjustment |
compass swings: after the major headings are logged use the D.G. inflight to
calibrate the individual 10 deg if desired.
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you want |
;-)
OK, I hate to admit getting older, but I'm 62, a Kitfox pilot for 15 years, and
have yet to do a ground loop (that is YET!). I flew hang gliders, the very early
ultralights, then got a license in a C170, most of the training was in a
J-3, and owned a Maule. I have logged 1.0 hours in a nose dragger, which taught
me nothing about the correct way to take off and land. They are evil, stay
away from them, they will make you a lazy pilot!!!!!
Mike
Model II 490MC
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson
>
> I hope you're still flying at 90, Darin....I'm nearly 70, with a 5-way
> bypass in my history 5 yrs ago, and a family history to boot. Keep the
>
>
>
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<DIV>OK, I hate to admit getting older, but I'm 62, a Kitfox pilot for
15 years, and have yet to do a ground loop (that is YET!). I flew hang
gliders, the very early ultralights, then got a license in a C170, most of the
training was in a J-3, and owned a Maule. I have logged 1.0 hours in a
nose dragger, which taught me nothing about the correct way to take off and land.
They are evil, stay away from them, they will make you a lazy pilot!!!!!</DIV>
<DIV> Mike</DIV>
<DIV> Model II 490MC</DIV>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jack L Bell <jack@comconn.com>
Oddly- I recently donated my sporty's JD-200 to the local neighborhood around my
hangar,
and ended up purchasing an Icom A-24 on Ebay.
I thought I'd been "had"- the system would receive, but not transmit.
Whenver I attempted to transmit, I'd get a "low battery" indication..
and no-one could hear me. In, or out of the plane.
I stopped by the local ham supply store- and purchased the alkaline battery pack..
no difference. I, too, happen to be a ham (kc5cyb), and had an Icom VHF 2 meter,
close enough to allow swaps. When I use *that* rubber ducky- all was well*.
I could now be heard (except the alkaline pack still doesn't work right-
different problem?), at least for the first hour after a recharge, and then we're
back to null transmission. My next step is to rig a dipole inside the plane fuselage.
Given it all to do again, I'd buy the big, clunky, functional Sporty's SP-200..
Icom doesn't seem to be what it used to be, when I purchased my IC-2SAT.
$.02
Jack
KF 1(.5)
N79JW
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
To swing a compass properly on floats requires that you know the area you
are setting up in very well and that you have almost glassy water
conditions. You have to pick your headings and then while under way make
the compass adjustments. I suppose it could be done with an anchor attached
to the tail of the plane then use the rudder to set up directions. The
problem is you are supposed to line the aircraft up accurately and you are
supposed to operate the engine and in flight electrical equipment. The only
way I can see it being done is to have two persons doing the swing, one to
handle the plane and one to make the adjustments to the compass.
Now for the truth....
The decision on what is straight is subjective. Very few planes are
completely symmetrical. What the pilot perceives as straight is also
subjective and of course there is the whole question of parallax
correction..... The ability to hold a heading within a couple of degrees
on a magnetic compass in a noisy and some what busy or bumpy cockpit is
difficult. For most people if the compass points "more or less" north it's
ok. I know of pilots who have never even looked at their compass cards even
though there has to be a recent compass card on board here in Canada and a
compass swing is part of an annual inspection. I doubt they ever use their
compasses. Now with the advent of GPS....
The obvious short cut is to do the swing while the plane is on the trailer
of course you will have to accept some error. Unless you know of some one
who has a composite trailer.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Lynn Matteson
> Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 6:10 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: RE: ALtimeter adjustment
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>
> Noel-
> I was advised to fly the plane, and align it with hedge
> rows....N-S and
> E-W. I tried this last night, but some of the rows curved,
> so I'm not
> sure how accurate this advice is. I first tried to set the compass
> using the GPS, but was tracking wrong for this to work. If you set it
> on the ground, how do you make sure the plane is exactly aligned with
> the compass rose? And in your case, floats, ??????
>
> Lynn
>
> On Tuesday, August 22, 2006, at 08:51 AM, Noel Loveys wrote:
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys"
> <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
> >
> > Thanks for the reminder. I had been planning on resetting my
> > Altimeter for
> > a long time now and never seemed to get around to it.
> While I was at
> > it I
> > did the VSI the next step is a compass swing... Not too
> easy on floats.
> >
> > Noel
> >
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> >> kurt schrader
> >> Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 4:24 PM
> >> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> >> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: RE: ALtimeter adjustment
> >>
> >>
> >> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
> >> <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
> >>
> >> Yes, dont remove the altimeter screw. I did that
> >> too. Just loosen. It takes a bit of jiggling to
> >> disengage the gears and the same to get them
> >> reengaged. I believe you set the altitude first, then
> >> pull the knob to reset the window only, then push
> >> while wiggling to reengage the gears and then tighten
> >> the screw.
> >>
> >> Kurt S.
> >>
> >> __________________________________________________
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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MessageTrue enough. The high current side of starter solenoid will
remain live and on the far side of the firewall. None of the other
systems will require as much amperage.
----- Original Message -----
From: Noel Loveys
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 9:39 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Ignition switch question
A simple solution is to use a heavy 60-80A switch in the
panel.....but..... then you have to bring high current through the fire
wall.
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you want ;-) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Daniel Aller" <daller1@zoominternet.net>
68 Classic IV 114 hr Dan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mo" <mo44d@comcast.net>
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 11:41 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you
want ;-)
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Mo" <mo44d@comcast.net>
>
> Will be 68 the 31st. Expect to receive my 7A around October 1st. from
> John
> McBean and begin building.
> Mo N831MF reserved.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 8:23 PM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you want
> ;-)
>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net>
>>
>> I am currently building a Series 7 and started wondering if there are any
> other builders located near Salt Lake City, Utah. Then I started
> wondering
> what the general demographic of our group looked like (age wise). I
> figured
> this would be a fun topic and I may get to now some of you better by
> putting
> it out there.
>>
>> I will start with myself...I am 30 and have owned a Model III and am
> currently building a Series 7 (almost finished with the Fuse).
>>
>> If there are any of you that are located near Salt Lake City, Utah let me
> know, I wouldn't mind some moral support/encouragement while building.
>>
>> Darin
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=56191#56191
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Ignition switch question |
MessageI guess there are probably a million different ways to wire up a
Kitfox. One thing I did do as a precaution in case the master sol fails
in flight was to run a 12 ga. fused wire from the battery side of the
sol to the main 12 volt buss. This line goes to a hidden "emer" switch
so it can be activated just in case that sol fails. I can get all
electric power back to the main buss from the battery including the
charging circuit. One thing I can't do is "HIT" the engine starter
while bypassed. This would pop the breaker or melt the 12 ga wire.
BTW, I had to use this circuit recently.
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave G.
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 9:11 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Ignition switch question
True enough. The high current side of starter solenoid will remain
live and on the far side of the firewall. None of the other systems will
require as much amperage.
----- Original Message -----
From: Noel Loveys
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 9:39 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Ignition switch question
A simple solution is to use a heavy 60-80A switch in the
panel.....but..... then you have to bring high current through the fire
wall.
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| Subject: | Re: Cover and Finish |
The Piper clipper below was covered and painted in 1999 with AFS/Stewart
Systems.
Owned by Dan & Marjie Stewart
This airplane was restored by Dan & Doug Stewart in 1999.
Judged Best in Class Post War Classics Evergreen Antique Fly In 2001 &
2002
Judged Best Clipper
2002 Short Wing Piper Convention - Odessa, Texas
2001 Short Wing Piper Convention - Anchorage, Alaska
1999 Short Wing Piper Convention - Denver, Colorado
----- Original Message -----
From: Randy Daughenbaugh
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 3:27 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Cover and Finish
The knock that I have heard about was a short service life. I would
sure like to hear from someone who has had it on their plane for a long
time. 5 years? 10?
Randy
.
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
kerrjohna@comcast.net
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 2:06 PM
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Cover and Finish
Noel (the other one) of Blue Sky Aviation has used the product and
even represented them or a time but due to problems with the product or
product support brought him to the point of severing the relationship.
The name change may give a hint of previous problems.
The attractiveness of water cleanup may not compensate for other
shortcomings.
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Andy Fultz" <fultz@trip.net>
Has anybody on the list used, or do you know anybody that has
used, STEWART'S AIRCRAFT FINISHING SYSTEM to cover and finish their
tube and fabric plane? This system was formerly known as AIRCRAFT
FINISHING SYSTEMS. Thanks.
Andy F.
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you want |
;-)
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Hi Mike,
Your story is almost exactly like mine, but I took all training in a C-170B
that I partially owned, I have about 8 hours in a nose dragger and have 820
hours on my Model IV in 8 years. But, it took me three years longer
overall. No ground loops here either.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: <skyflyte@comcast.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 5:48 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you
want ;-)
> OK, I hate to admit getting older, but I'm 62, a Kitfox pilot for 15
> years, and have yet to do a ground loop (that is YET!). I flew hang
> gliders, the very early ultralights, then got a license in a C170, most of
> the training was in a J-3, and owned a Maule. I have logged 1.0 hours in
> a nose dragger, which taught me nothing about the correct way to take off
> and land. They are evil, stay away from them, they will make you a lazy
> pilot!!!!!
> Mike
> Model II 490MC
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson
>>
>> I hope you're still flying at 90, Darin....I'm nearly 70, with a 5-way
>> bypass in my history 5 yrs ago, and a family history to boot. Keep the
>
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you want ;-) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "neflyer48" <neflyer48@cableone.net>
Jerry Kohles Northeast Nebraska Model3 912UL 840 hrs. on plane, 58 years
on me.
Do not archive.
----- Original Message -----
From: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net>
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 7:23 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you want
;-)
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net>
>
> I am currently building a Series 7 and started wondering if there are any
> other builders located near Salt Lake City, Utah. Then I started
> wondering what the general demographic of our group looked like (age
> wise). I figured this would be a fun topic and I may get to now some of
> you better by putting it out there.
>
> I will start with myself...I am 30 and have owned a Model III and am
> currently building a Series 7 (almost finished with the Fuse).
>
> If there are any of you that are located near Salt Lake City, Utah let me
> know, I wouldn't mind some moral support/encouragement while building.
>
> Darin
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=56191#56191
>
>
> --
>
>
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| Subject: | Idaho Back Country |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
My apologies if this post surfaces again. I posted it early this morning
and am trying again as I will be out of town again, this time for two weeks.
A quick report on the Idaho trip.
The California contingent left at first light on the 17th, or close to first
light. AT 0530, Wray, (Model IV 912) got an early phone call telling us that
the two from Westover - Larry, (Model IV 912) and Ken (Rans S-6 912S) were
running a bit late. We got a heads-up at 6 that they were ready and we
taxied up to our runway which put us about 10 minutes behind them and as
usual it wasnt until Carson City - about an hour - that we made first
visual contact. This part of the trip is always a tough one as we are
Eastbound and as the sun rises it is right behind the compass, or should I
say right beside the compass.
This trip it was all business as our first night was to be at Smiley Creek
so we did not fly the Rye Patch Dam outflow at tree top level preferring to
make time to Winnemucca for a fuel stop. The FBO there is under new
management the last couple of years and it is a nice place with good people.
We are always remembered there even though we buy less than ten gallons of
fuel each. With four airplanes to fuel and the normal potty stops it is 45
minutes until we are off again for the stop at Caldwell for fuel and the
hook up with Mark (Model IV 912) from Caldwell, Danny (Model V 912 ULS) from
Tuskarora, and Hal (Rans S-7 912 UL with the high comp piston conversion)
from Elko. As we taxied into the fueling area we heard Mark making pattern
calls and he and Hal arrived from a local flight as we were fueling. Danny
was already tied down and fueled. The trip from Cameron Park to Caldwell put
just shy of 5 hours on the airplane and a bit more than 27 gallons through
the engine. For the bean counters, this was at close to 5500 rpm the whole
way with the first hour climbing from 1300 to 10,000 ft.
Now we were a flight of seven and off to Smiley Creek. This 7,100 ft
elevation airport is on the Salmon River in the middle of the Sawtooth
Mountains. http://www.ruralnetwork.net/~smileyck/airport.html This is one
nice grass strip. The State of Idaho provides a full time caretaker that
takes his business seriously. Showers and a nearby restaurant provides all
an air camper needs. We lined up in the tiedown area near a Bonanza and a
C-206 and others and pitched our tents. Night time temps were in the low 20s
with frost on the tents, windshields and wings by morning, but a little
sunshine in the AM took care of that and after a great breakfast at the
Lodge we were on our way.
Departing Smiley Creek airport, we fly low over the meandering Salmon River
practicing our tight turns as the river flows north. As we flying north, the
valley tightens into a canyon with the rim rising above us a thousand feet
or more with peaks to 10,000 ft. on either side. About 20 miles north of
Smiley Creek, still on the Salmon, the Stanley airport - grass and gravel -
marks the eastern turn of the river as it follows the canyon eastward
another 20 miles where the river again turns northward to Challis. Challis
is in more open country, grass land rather than timbered, with lots of
irrigated farmland touching the river's bank. Challis is a fuel stop where
we once again top off the tanks.
A note here, The Kitfoxes in the group have never used more than half their
fuel on any leg as the Rans airplanes have smaller tanks and the fuel
management is usually to their needs leaving the Kitfoxes with lots of
reserves. Discussing this design difference, we arrived at the conclusion
that the Kitfox is a western creation with lots of wide open spaces and the
Rans out of the Midwest with an airport around every corner, hence fuel and
lots of it is designed into the Kitfox.
Challis is a fun place for me as I once had a dental assistant who had grand
kids there on a farm near the river and trying to find it from the air is a
nice diversion.
We follow the Salmon northward from Challis about 35 miles, past Lemhi and
North Fork where the river turns westward where it will eventually merge
with the Snake a bit above Hells Canyon on its way to become part of the
Columbia River outflow. Twenty miles north of North Fork we fly over 6,900
ft. Gibbons pass where we enter the Bitter Root watershed and follow that
river to Hamilton where we will once again spend the night.
A friendly competition between two FBOs there gives us great fuel prices,
and a 24 hour FBO with computer, TV, hot showers and would you believe a
restaurant. Also enough lawn to pitch seven tents and courtesy cars to boot.
When we got there the restaurant was closed and we learned later that the
afternoon cook was the owners wife and she walked that day because as he
explained, she was divorcing him - at least that is the way he told it.
After tying down our airplanes, again on grass, we grabbed the courtesy cars
to try to find a restaurant in town where most of us got sick the last time
there. That time the flight was in reverse order and after eating there and
barfing all night from both ends we flew to Smiley Creek where those
affected did the rapid quick step to the johns as soon as the airplanes
rolled to a stop.
Anyway we found the restaurant and I ordered the same thing I had last time,
the 12 oz hamburger special with about a half pound of sauteed mushrooms.
Nearly too much to eat, but it got et. The next morning we had breakfast at
the FBOs restaurant as payback for the great nights sleep. No one got sick
this time and it was while there that we heard of the Polson Fly-in at a
great little airport on the southern edge of Flathead Lake near Polson,
Montana. This is a great fly-in. Lots of airplanes flown by common folk like
you and me. On registering we found that PICs got a free breakfast for their
trouble so by ten 0'clock we all had our second breakfast of the day. Good
too.
>From Polson it was across the mountains to the west to Thompson Falls
another fuel stop then to Elk River for the night.
http://terraserver-usa.com/image.aspx?T=1&S=12&Z=11&X=703&Y=6476&W=1 (you
may have to copy and paste this one.)
Elk River is a grass? strip with enough length to accommodate rather healthy
certified singles. We were the only ones there this day however and
proceeded immediately after tying down to walk the 100 yds to Huckleberry
Heaven for that legendary huckleberry milkshake. On a walk looking for a
cabin that was advertised to sleep 7 for forty bucks somewhere on E. 3rd
street we found the city park and seeing the grass under a couple of shady
trees, I knew where I belonged and that is where we spent the next hour
hangar talking and gossiping. (Larry and I were coming home early - we both
had family obligations - and it occurred to both of us that we would be fair
game for just such a lazy time under another tree after we left. We love
each other, but we all have done things that make us notorious in our own
right and anyone not able to defend himself - and sometimes even if he can -
is attack fodder) We never found the cabin, but we were able to get rooms in
town for $40 a night per two pilots with a bathroom down the hall so that
was the plan. Dinner was at the restaurant across the street that managed
the rooms. We all had rib eye steaks, fresh corn on the cob, - the farmer
came peddling the corn as we were killing time in the closed restaurant -
baked potato, and raspberry-rhubarb cobbler. All this, and it was a big
steak, for$12.00. With bulging bellies once again we went down to the
airport for our pajamas and settled into our rooms. That evening after the
air outside cooled a bit we hiked up the street to an old abandoned school.
It was huge, three stories with a bell tower and lots of gables. I guess
built when the logging industry was booming, but sadly in a very poor state
of preservation and a multimillion dollar project if anyone was interested.
A bit of history that will eventually fade from the scene.
Sleep was good and early the next morning I was in the shower expecting the
commotion to rouse everyone else, but as I walked back down the hall, I saw
Larry look up and wave and that was that for another hour. I was back in bed
shortly and got another wink or two between mental projects that always come
up during a long adventure like this. When we finally got everyone up it was
back to the restaurant for everyones usual breakfast and after packing the
airplanes it was a take off to the south. We made one low pass over the
airport with Larry and I continuing south and the others headed up to
Cavanaugh Bay on Priest lake. http://www.airnav.com/airport/66s
Some pictures: http://www.nwaac.com/flyout_cavanaugh_bay_2004.htm
For those old timers on the list it was to Cavanaugh Bay that John McBean
led a group after the 2005 Cameron Park fly-in. Larry and I didnt make it
this year, but the place deserves some recognition. It is one gorgeous
place. A fairway-like grass strip that you approach over the lake with one
tall pine right were it shouldnt be, but a long enough strip that the tree
really isnt a problem. Great grass for pitching a tent - last time there we
were told that our camp spot became a lake when it rained and it was raining
at the time - and a 50 yard walk to the lake and a great outdoor restaurant
right next to the runway threshold where we could eat good food while
watching the approaching traffic and the float planes coming and going. I
havent heard from any of the guys that stayed, but I know it isnt raining.
Their plan is to go to Port Hill where there is a neat grass strip that is a
POE with customs office. You have to see it to believe it..
While the guys were off to Cavanaugh Bay, Larry and I were navigating
between the fire fighting TFRs back to Caldwell. We had great skies on the
Eastern side of Idaho as we flew north and smoke after smoke as we headed
south on the western Side. We stayed in Caldwell for the night at Marks
house and at first light we were on our way home with a ten minute stop in
Winnemucca for fuel. We were home shortly after 1100 and it is great to be
home.
Lowell
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| Subject: | Model 5, 6, 7 & Jabiru 3300 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Crowder <jimlc@att.net>
Does anyone on the list have a Model 5, 6, or 7 and a Jabiru 3300? I
would very much like to know what the resulting ramp weight was with
the combo and hear what they thought of the package.
For that matter knowing the above about any Kitfox and that engine
would be helpful.
Jim Crowder
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Hey guys and gals, how about giving this old man a break and not use
those stinkin' little 10 size lettering that have been cropping up here
lately. For some reason, a lot of mail has been coming in using that
tiny, hard to read size. It doesn't cost any more to use a 12, and
these tired eyes would appreciate it. : )
And it's not just my reader, or my computer, as some messages contain
size 10, 12, and even 14 when quoting other posters.
Thanks,
Lynn
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| Subject: | RE: ALtimeter adjustment |
The work is in adjusting the four primary cardinal points
All you need is a DG and something to reference it to. Neat idea.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
AMuller589@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 10:15 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: RE: ALtimeter adjustment
compass swings: after the major headings are logged use the D.G.
inflight to
calibrate the individual 10 deg if desired.
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| Subject: | RE: Handheld Trancievers |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
There is something wrong there.... I'd send the A-24 back for testing. Mine
works great.
Noel
V01-PL
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Jack L Bell
> Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 10:22 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: RE: Handheld Trancievers
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jack L Bell <jack@comconn.com>
>
>
> Oddly- I recently donated my sporty's JD-200 to the local
> neighborhood around my hangar,
> and ended up purchasing an Icom A-24 on Ebay.
>
> I thought I'd been "had"- the system would receive, but not
> transmit.
> Whenver I attempted to transmit, I'd get a "low battery" indication..
> and no-one could hear me. In, or out of the plane.
>
> I stopped by the local ham supply store- and purchased the
> alkaline battery pack..
> no difference. I, too, happen to be a ham (kc5cyb), and had
> an Icom VHF 2 meter,
> close enough to allow swaps. When I use *that* rubber ducky-
> all was well*.
> I could now be heard (except the alkaline pack still doesn't
> work right-
> different problem?), at least for the first hour after a
> recharge, and then we're
> back to null transmission. My next step is to rig a dipole
> inside the plane fuselage.
>
>
> Given it all to do again, I'd buy the big, clunky, functional
> Sporty's SP-200..
> Icom doesn't seem to be what it used to be, when I purchased
> my IC-2SAT.
>
> $.02
> Jack
>
> KF 1(.5)
> N79JW
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Compass swing program - simple |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Ok Noel,
You want a compass swing course101?
Here you go http://cfisher.com/compass.htm
Go there and download that program and it will make you a nice little
compass deviation card that you can put your registration on and type in the
swing readings , then click print. Once you happy then put in sticky paper
into printer and you all set. I have used this time and time again on
homebuilts and imports from USA and Transport Canada has never questioned it
. But you are putting in the actual readings and it figures the correction
and prints it.
Now for swinging, we all know a compass rose will be best option but it has
been known to happen that some use roads as well that you "know the
headings on already. " GPS as well can give you a fairly close heading as
well. Not saying this is best way but it has been done.
As a matter of fact a runway that is eg runway 33 might actually have a
heading of 326 or 334 but rounded off to the nearest number. So when allot
will set their DG on the roll with runway heading they are actually up to 4
degrees off anyhow.
And for GPS altitude I usually find mine within less than 100 foot variation
with Altimeter, but I know when I cross Georgian bay for about 35 miles it
will at time jump on the GPS 200 to 800 foot and be erratic as heck. Once
over land again it seems fine. I have mine set on WAAS if that matters.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 9:02 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: RE: ALtimeter adjustment
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
To swing a compass properly on floats requires that you know the area you
are setting up in very well and that you have almost glassy water
conditions. You have to pick your headings and then while under way make
the compass adjustments. I suppose it could be done with an anchor attached
to the tail of the plane then use the rudder to set up directions. The
problem is you are supposed to line the aircraft up accurately and you are
supposed to operate the engine and in flight electrical equipment. The only
way I can see it being done is to have two persons doing the swing, one to
handle the plane and one to make the adjustments to the compass.
Now for the truth....
The decision on what is straight is subjective. Very few planes are
completely symmetrical. What the pilot perceives as straight is also
subjective and of course there is the whole question of parallax
correction..... The ability to hold a heading within a couple of degrees
on a magnetic compass in a noisy and some what busy or bumpy cockpit is
difficult. For most people if the compass points "more or less" north it's
ok. I know of pilots who have never even looked at their compass cards even
though there has to be a recent compass card on board here in Canada and a
compass swing is part of an annual inspection. I doubt they ever use their
compasses. Now with the advent of GPS....
The obvious short cut is to do the swing while the plane is on the trailer
of course you will have to accept some error. Unless you know of some one
who has a composite trailer.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Lynn Matteson
> Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 6:10 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: RE: ALtimeter adjustment
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>
> Noel-
> I was advised to fly the plane, and align it with hedge
> rows....N-S and
> E-W. I tried this last night, but some of the rows curved,
> so I'm not
> sure how accurate this advice is. I first tried to set the compass
> using the GPS, but was tracking wrong for this to work. If you set it
> on the ground, how do you make sure the plane is exactly aligned with
> the compass rose? And in your case, floats, ??????
>
> Lynn
>
> On Tuesday, August 22, 2006, at 08:51 AM, Noel Loveys wrote:
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys"
> <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
> >
> > Thanks for the reminder. I had been planning on resetting my
> > Altimeter for
> > a long time now and never seemed to get around to it.
> While I was at
> > it I
> > did the VSI the next step is a compass swing... Not too
> easy on floats.
> >
> > Noel
> >
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> >> kurt schrader
> >> Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 4:24 PM
> >> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> >> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: RE: ALtimeter adjustment
> >>
> >>
> >> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
> >> <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
> >>
> >> Yes, dont remove the altimeter screw. I did that
> >> too. Just loosen. It takes a bit of jiggling to
> >> disengage the gears and the same to get them
> >> reengaged. I believe you set the altitude first, then
> >> pull the knob to reset the window only, then push
> >> while wiggling to reengage the gears and then tighten
> >> the screw.
> >>
> >> Kurt S.
> >>
> >> __________________________________________________
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | RE: Handheld Trancievers |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
Oh yes remember to vertical polarize the dipole so you have an omni
directional transmission pattern.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Jack L Bell
> Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 10:22 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: RE: Handheld Trancievers
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jack L Bell <jack@comconn.com>
>
>
> Oddly- I recently donated my sporty's JD-200 to the local
> neighborhood around my hangar,
> and ended up purchasing an Icom A-24 on Ebay.
>
> I thought I'd been "had"- the system would receive, but not
> transmit.
> Whenver I attempted to transmit, I'd get a "low battery" indication..
> and no-one could hear me. In, or out of the plane.
>
> I stopped by the local ham supply store- and purchased the
> alkaline battery pack..
> no difference. I, too, happen to be a ham (kc5cyb), and had
> an Icom VHF 2 meter,
> close enough to allow swaps. When I use *that* rubber ducky-
> all was well*.
> I could now be heard (except the alkaline pack still doesn't
> work right-
> different problem?), at least for the first hour after a
> recharge, and then we're
> back to null transmission. My next step is to rig a dipole
> inside the plane fuselage.
>
>
> Given it all to do again, I'd buy the big, clunky, functional
> Sporty's SP-200..
> Icom doesn't seem to be what it used to be, when I purchased
> my IC-2SAT.
>
> $.02
> Jack
>
> KF 1(.5)
> N79JW
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Idaho Back Country |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Oakley" <john@leptron.com>
Ah Lowell,
You talk so pretty. I am sorry I missed you guys again this year.
John....see you soon.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 8:02 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Idaho Back Country
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
My apologies if this post surfaces again. I posted it early this morning
and am trying again as I will be out of town again, this time for two weeks.
A quick report on the Idaho trip.
The California contingent left at first light on the 17th, or close to first
light. AT 0530, Wray, (Model IV 912) got an early phone call telling us that
the two from Westover - Larry, (Model IV 912) and Ken (Rans S-6 912S) were
running a bit late. We got a heads-up at 6 that they were ready and we
taxied up to our runway which put us about 10 minutes behind them and as
usual it wasn't until Carson City - about an hour - that we made first
visual contact. This part of the trip is always a tough one as we are
Eastbound and as the sun rises it is right behind the compass, or should I
say right beside the compass.
This trip it was all business as our first night was to be at Smiley Creek
so we did not fly the Rye Patch Dam outflow at tree top level preferring to
make time to Winnemucca for a fuel stop. The FBO there is under new
management the last couple of years and it is a nice place with good people.
We are always remembered there even though we buy less than ten gallons of
fuel each. With four airplanes to fuel and the normal potty stops it is 45
minutes until we are off again for the stop at Caldwell for fuel and the
hook up with Mark (Model IV 912) from Caldwell, Danny (Model V 912 ULS) from
Tuskarora, and Hal (Rans S-7 912 UL with the high comp piston conversion)
from Elko. As we taxied into the fueling area we heard Mark making pattern
calls and he and Hal arrived from a local flight as we were fueling. Danny
was already tied down and fueled. The trip from Cameron Park to Caldwell put
just shy of 5 hours on the airplane and a bit more than 27 gallons through
the engine. For the bean counters, this was at close to 5500 rpm the whole
way with the first hour climbing from 1300 to 10,000 ft.
Now we were a flight of seven and off to Smiley Creek. This 7,100 ft
elevation airport is on the Salmon River in the middle of the Sawtooth
Mountains. http://www.ruralnetwork.net/~smileyck/airport.html This is one
nice grass strip. The State of Idaho provides a full time caretaker that
takes his business seriously. Showers and a nearby restaurant provides all
an air camper needs. We lined up in the tiedown area near a Bonanza and a
C-206 and others and pitched our tents. Night time temps were in the low 20s
with frost on the tents, windshields and wings by morning, but a little
sunshine in the AM took care of that and after a great breakfast at the
Lodge we were on our way.
Departing Smiley Creek airport, we fly low over the meandering Salmon River
practicing our tight turns as the river flows north. As we flying north, the
valley tightens into a canyon with the rim rising above us a thousand feet
or more with peaks to 10,000 ft. on either side. About 20 miles north of
Smiley Creek, still on the Salmon, the Stanley airport - grass and gravel -
marks the eastern turn of the river as it follows the canyon eastward
another 20 miles where the river again turns northward to Challis. Challis
is in more open country, grass land rather than timbered, with lots of
irrigated farmland touching the river's bank. Challis is a fuel stop where
we once again top off the tanks.
A note here, The Kitfoxes in the group have never used more than half their
fuel on any leg as the Rans airplanes have smaller tanks and the fuel
management is usually to their needs leaving the Kitfoxes with lots of
reserves. Discussing this design difference, we arrived at the conclusion
that the Kitfox is a western creation with lots of wide open spaces and the
Rans out of the Midwest with an airport around every corner, hence fuel and
lots of it is designed into the Kitfox.
Challis is a fun place for me as I once had a dental assistant who had grand
kids there on a farm near the river and trying to find it from the air is a
nice diversion.
We follow the Salmon northward from Challis about 35 miles, past Lemhi and
North Fork where the river turns westward where it will eventually merge
with the Snake a bit above Hells Canyon on it's way to become part of the
Columbia River outflow. Twenty miles north of North Fork we fly over 6,900
ft. Gibbons pass where we enter the Bitter Root watershed and follow that
river to Hamilton where we will once again spend the night.
A friendly competition between two FBOs there gives us great fuel prices,
and a 24 hour FBO with computer, TV, hot showers and would you believe a
restaurant. Also enough lawn to pitch seven tents and courtesy cars to boot.
When we got there the restaurant was closed and we learned later that the
afternoon cook was the owners wife and she walked that day because as he
explained, she was divorcing him - at least that is the way he told it.
After tying down our airplanes, again on grass, we grabbed the courtesy cars
to try to find a restaurant in town where most of us got sick the last time
there. That time the flight was in reverse order and after eating there and
barfing all night from both ends we flew to Smiley Creek where those
affected did the rapid quick step to the johns as soon as the airplanes
rolled to a stop.
Anyway we found the restaurant and I ordered the same thing I had last time,
the 12 oz hamburger special with about a half pound of sauteed mushrooms.
Nearly too much to eat, but it got et. The next morning we had breakfast at
the FBO's restaurant as payback for the great night's sleep. No one got sick
this time and it was while there that we heard of the Polson Fly-in at a
great little airport on the southern edge of Flathead Lake near Polson,
Montana. This is a great fly-in. Lots of airplanes flown by common folk like
you and me. On registering we found that PICs got a free breakfast for their
trouble so by ten 0'clock we all had our second breakfast of the day. Good
too.
>From Polson it was across the mountains to the west to Thompson Falls
another fuel stop then to Elk River for the night.
http://terraserver-usa.com/image.aspx?T=1&S=12&Z=11&X=703&Y=6476&W=1 (you
may have to copy and paste this one.)
Elk River is a grass? strip with enough length to accommodate rather healthy
certified singles. We were the only ones there this day however and
proceeded immediately after tying down to walk the 100 yds to Huckleberry
Heaven for that legendary huckleberry milkshake. On a walk looking for a
cabin that was advertised to sleep 7 for forty bucks somewhere on E. 3rd
street we found the city park and seeing the grass under a couple of shady
trees, I knew where I belonged and that is where we spent the next hour
hangar talking and gossiping. (Larry and I were coming home early - we both
had family obligations - and it occurred to both of us that we would be fair
game for just such a lazy time under another tree after we left. We love
each other, but we all have done things that make us notorious in our own
right and anyone not able to defend himself - and sometimes even if he can -
is attack fodder) We never found the cabin, but we were able to get rooms in
town for $40 a night per two pilots with a bathroom down the hall so that
was the plan. Dinner was at the restaurant across the street that managed
the rooms. We all had rib eye steaks, fresh corn on the cob, - the farmer
came peddling the corn as we were killing time in the closed restaurant -
baked potato, and raspberry-rhubarb cobbler. All this, and it was a big
steak, for$12.00. With bulging bellies once again we went down to the
airport for our pajamas and settled into our rooms. That evening after the
air outside cooled a bit we hiked up the street to an old abandoned school.
It was huge, three stories with a bell tower and lots of gables. I guess
built when the logging industry was booming, but sadly in a very poor state
of preservation and a multimillion dollar project if anyone was interested.
A bit of history that will eventually fade from the scene.
Sleep was good and early the next morning I was in the shower expecting the
commotion to rouse everyone else, but as I walked back down the hall, I saw
Larry look up and wave and that was that for another hour. I was back in bed
shortly and got another wink or two between mental projects that always come
up during a long adventure like this. When we finally got everyone up it was
back to the restaurant for everyone's usual breakfast and after packing the
airplanes it was a take off to the south. We made one low pass over the
airport with Larry and I continuing south and the others headed up to
Cavanaugh Bay on Priest lake. http://www.airnav.com/airport/66s
Some pictures: http://www.nwaac.com/flyout_cavanaugh_bay_2004.htm
For those old timers on the list it was to Cavanaugh Bay that John McBean
led a group after the 2005 Cameron Park fly-in. Larry and I didn't make it
this year, but the place deserves some recognition. It is one gorgeous
place. A fairway-like grass strip that you approach over the lake with one
tall pine right were it shouldn't be, but a long enough strip that the tree
really isn't a problem. Great grass for pitching a tent - last time there we
were told that our camp spot became a lake when it rained and it was raining
at the time - and a 50 yard walk to the lake and a great outdoor restaurant
right next to the runway threshold where we could eat good food while
watching the approaching traffic and the float planes coming and going. I
haven't heard from any of the guys that stayed, but I know it isn't raining.
Their plan is to go to Port Hill where there is a neat grass strip that is a
POE with customs office. You have to see it to believe it..
While the guys were off to Cavanaugh Bay, Larry and I were navigating
between the fire fighting TFRs back to Caldwell. We had great skies on the
Eastern side of Idaho as we flew north and smoke after smoke as we headed
south on the western Side. We stayed in Caldwell for the night at Mark's
house and at first light we were on our way home with a ten minute stop in
Winnemucca for fuel. We were home shortly after 1100 and it is great to be
home.
Lowell
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| Subject: | Ignition switch question |
I'm much luckier than that ... the only instrument that requires the 12V
is
my turn coordinator. Radios are on internal battery, as is the GPS.
Nav
lights and strobes are aux. and I haven't had a smoke in years. The
only
thing I'd miss would be the starter in case I'd need a restart.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Smythe
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 11:00 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Ignition switch question
I guess there are probably a million different ways to wire up a Kitfox.
One thing I did do as a precaution in case the master sol fails in
flight
was to run a 12 ga. fused wire from the battery side of the sol to the
main
12 volt buss. This line goes to a hidden "emer" switch so it can be
activated just in case that sol fails. I can get all electric power
back to
the main buss from the battery including the charging circuit. One
thing I
can't do is "HIT" the engine starter while bypassed. This would pop the
breaker or melt the 12 ga wire. BTW, I had to use this circuit
recently.
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave <mailto:occom@ns.sympatico.ca> G.
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 9:11 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Ignition switch question
True enough. The high current side of starter solenoid will remain live
and
on the far side of the firewall. None of the other systems will require
as
much amperage.
----- Original Message -----
From: Noel <mailto:noelloveys@yahoo.ca> Loveys
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 9:39 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Ignition switch question
A simple solution is to use a heavy 60-80A switch in the
panel.....but.....
then you have to bring high current through the fire wall.
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| Subject: | Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you want ;-) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kirkhull" <kirkhull@sbcglobal.net>
I'm just glad that I'm not the youngest guy in the room for a change.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of neflyer48
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 8:59 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you
want ;-)
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "neflyer48" <neflyer48@cableone.net>
Jerry Kohles Northeast Nebraska Model3 912UL 840 hrs. on plane, 58 years
on me.
Do not archive.
----- Original Message -----
From: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net>
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 7:23 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you want
;-)
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net>
>
> I am currently building a Series 7 and started wondering if there are any
> other builders located near Salt Lake City, Utah. Then I started
> wondering what the general demographic of our group looked like (age
> wise). I figured this would be a fun topic and I may get to now some of
> you better by putting it out there.
>
> I will start with myself...I am 30 and have owned a Model III and am
> currently building a Series 7 (almost finished with the Fuse).
>
> If there are any of you that are located near Salt Lake City, Utah let me
> know, I wouldn't mind some moral support/encouragement while building.
>
> Darin
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=56191#56191
>
>
> --
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Is a taildragger dangerous? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andrew Matthaey" <spaghettiohead@hotmail.com>
Taildraggers are not more dangerous - they will, however, be much less
forgiving to the complacent pilot...but no pilot is complacent, so we
shouldn't have a problem, right?? Bottom Line - if you are comfortable with
your stick/rudder skills then don't opt for the training wheel, just RESPECT
the a/c, it's limitations, and your limitations, and you will be perfectly
safe.
Also, windvaning (aka weathervaning) will only aggravate a groundloop
tendency, as the a/c wants to realign it's horizontal axis with the relative
wind...and this wind direction IS the direction you will groundloop in a
crosswind condition.
Andrew
KF3 - CFI/CFII/MEI in Progress
>From: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Is a taildragger dangerous?
>Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 21:14:47 +0200
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
>On Aug 21, 2006, at 4:34 PM, kirkhull wrote:
>>However they count as an accident and therefore show up
>>on the FAA stats that insurance companies use to compare risks.
>
>Thank you. Yes, I know that nothing is more accurate than the insurance
>companies statistics. Taildraggers cost more to insure. Forgive me for not
>explaining better my enquiry. I'll try again:
>
>1) Ground loop from bad landing in good weather condition. Is it a real
>danger when you have several hundred landings on a plane you know well?
>Will I, one day, loose control without apparent reason? I have heard of two
>ground loops that needed much repairs (one Kitfox and one Avid Flyer)
>around here. But they were both first-time pilots.
>
>2) Ground loop from crosswind landing. How bad is it? Is there a risk that
>the downwind wing touches the ground? My experience from marginal crosswind
>landing is that I end up not parallel with the runway but nothing much
>more, really. You can't do a full 360 ground loop because of crosswind, can
>you? Won't the windvaneing effect keeps from rotating more than into the
>wind?
>
>Cheers,
>Michel
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Handheld Trancievers |
Jack,
That is quite interesting...same thing going on here. I even stood outside my
car in direct line of sight to the tower and they didn't hear transmission. After
hearing this I wouldnt give two cents for another one. Thanks for the reply.
Dan B
Jack L Bell <jack@comconn.com> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jack L Bell
Oddly- I recently donated my sporty's JD-200 to the local neighborhood around my
hangar,
and ended up purchasing an Icom A-24 on Ebay.
I thought I'd been "had"- the system would receive, but not transmit.
Whenver I attempted to transmit, I'd get a "low battery" indication..
and no-one could hear me. In, or out of the plane.
I stopped by the local ham supply store- and purchased the alkaline battery pack..
no difference. I, too, happen to be a ham (kc5cyb), and had an Icom VHF 2 meter,
close enough to allow swaps. When I use *that* rubber ducky- all was well*.
I could now be heard (except the alkaline pack still doesn't work right-
different problem?), at least for the first hour after a recharge, and then we're
back to null transmission. My next step is to rig a dipole inside the plane fuselage.
Given it all to do again, I'd buy the big, clunky, functional Sporty's SP-200..
Icom doesn't seem to be what it used to be, when I purchased my IC-2SAT.
$.02
Jack
KF 1(.5)
N79JW
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| Subject: | RE: Handheld Trancievers |
Noel, I did send mine back and they said it checked out fine on the bench. Same
thing going on. Don't make sence.
Dan B.
Noel Loveys <noelloveys@yahoo.ca> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys"
There is something wrong there.... I'd send the A-24 back for testing. Mine
works great.
Noel
V01-PL
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Jack L Bell
> Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 10:22 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: RE: Handheld Trancievers
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jack L Bell
>
>
> Oddly- I recently donated my sporty's JD-200 to the local
> neighborhood around my hangar,
> and ended up purchasing an Icom A-24 on Ebay.
>
> I thought I'd been "had"- the system would receive, but not
> transmit.
> Whenver I attempted to transmit, I'd get a "low battery" indication..
> and no-one could hear me. In, or out of the plane.
>
> I stopped by the local ham supply store- and purchased the
> alkaline battery pack..
> no difference. I, too, happen to be a ham (kc5cyb), and had
> an Icom VHF 2 meter,
> close enough to allow swaps. When I use *that* rubber ducky-
> all was well*.
> I could now be heard (except the alkaline pack still doesn't
> work right-
> different problem?), at least for the first hour after a
> recharge, and then we're
> back to null transmission. My next step is to rig a dipole
> inside the plane fuselage.
>
>
> Given it all to do again, I'd buy the big, clunky, functional
> Sporty's SP-200..
> Icom doesn't seem to be what it used to be, when I purchased
> my IC-2SAT.
>
> $.02
> Jack
>
> KF 1(.5)
> N79JW
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cover and Finish |
I've only had it on my S-6 for 3 years, but I'm already disappointed with AFS'
durability. It scratches and abraids far too easily. The edges of defects have
to be touched up (sealed) promptly or they will begin to lift. Even after
cured it remains solvent senstive. Most cleaners safe with other finishes begin
to lift AFS.
Talk with Noel at Blue Sky to get his experiences with the product.
Fred
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Time: 08:34:35 PM PST US
From: "Mo" <mo44d@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Pilot/Builder Age?? (you can lie if you
want ;-)
Here's one from Australia. I'm 66 and my mate Don that flies my plane a
lot is 75. He actually owns a beautifull little 95-10 ultralight called
a Swing Wing. A one of we believe. Fully enclosed with magnificigant
seat. Rotax 277 running 6 litres/hour. VNE is 85 Knots and it easilly
cruises at 65 Knots.
Rex Shaw
Australia
Kitfox IV/582
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| Subject: | Is a taildragger dangerous? |
Sometimes experienced pilots lose control on takeoff too. Stuff happens, eh?
http://www.womeninaviation.com/ameliato.html
do not archive
kirkhull <kirkhull@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kirkhull"
I have seen experienced pilots loose control on landing so the answer is
YES. However there is a reason, complacency. You must fly the plane until
it is stopped as for the X wind the same applies. You won't do a 360 but a
180 or more is possible due to inertia. However it is not likely. If you
keep your head in the game you won't have any problems.
Remember
Aviation in its self is not inherently dangerous, however it is very
unforgiving of any carelessness
I think that's the way that old saying goes
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michel
Verheughe
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 2:15 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Is a taildragger dangerous?
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe
On Aug 21, 2006, at 4:34 PM, kirkhull wrote:
> However they count as an accident and therefore show up
> on the FAA stats that insurance companies use to compare risks.
Thank you. Yes, I know that nothing is more accurate than the insurance
companies statistics. Taildraggers cost more to insure. Forgive me for
not explaining better my enquiry. I'll try again:
1) Ground loop from bad landing in good weather condition. Is it a real
danger when you have several hundred landings on a plane you know well?
Will I, one day, loose control without apparent reason? I have heard of
two ground loops that needed much repairs (one Kitfox and one Avid
Flyer) around here. But they were both first-time pilots.
2) Ground loop from crosswind landing. How bad is it? Is there a risk
that the downwind wing touches the ground? My experience from marginal
crosswind landing is that I end up not parallel with the runway but
nothing much more, really. You can't do a full 360 ground loop because
of crosswind, can you? Won't the windvaneing effect keeps from rotating
more than into the wind?
Cheers,
Michel
Marco Menezes
Model 2 582 N99KX
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