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1. 01:27 AM - Re: Is a taildragger dangerousIs a taildragger dangerous (Michael Gibbs)
2. 01:27 AM - Re: Insurance (Michael Gibbs)
3. 03:20 AM - (off topic) The experience of sailing. WAS: Is a taildragger dangerous? (Michel Verheughe)
4. 04:39 AM - Re: Re: Member Terminated (Brian Smith)
5. 04:51 AM - Grass strips (Fox5flyer)
6. 05:03 AM - Re: Insurance (Lynn Matteson)
7. 05:35 AM - Re: Re: Member Terminated (Fox5flyer)
8. 05:36 AM - Re: Re: Member Terminated (Don Smythe)
9. 05:44 AM - Re: Re: Member Terminated (Brian Smith)
10. 05:57 AM - Re: Re: Is a taildragger dangerousIs a taildragger dangerous (Clifford Begnaud)
11. 06:02 AM - (off-topic) 9/11 pilots. WAS: Member Terminated (Michel Verheughe)
12. 06:06 AM - Re: Re: Member Terminated (Don Smythe)
13. 06:16 AM - Kitfox for Sale (Don Smythe)
14. 06:16 AM - Re: Grass strips (Dave)
15. 06:22 AM - Re: Re: Is a taildragger dangerousIs a taildragger dangerous (Dave)
16. 06:24 AM - Mechanic near 35A? (wingnut)
17. 06:46 AM - Re: Re: Member Terminated (Ted Palamarek)
18. 06:50 AM - Need help turning a rough field into a nice grass strip (wingnut)
19. 06:54 AM - Re: Mechanic near 35A? (Brian Smith)
20. 06:55 AM - Re: Re: Is a taildragger dangerousIs a taildragger dangerous (Algate)
21. 06:56 AM - Re: Is a taildragger dangerousIs a taildragger dangerous (wingnut)
22. 06:59 AM - Re: Mechanic near 35A? (Don Smythe)
23. 07:00 AM - Re: Mechanic near 35A? (wingnut)
24. 07:00 AM - Re: Mechanic near 35A? (PWilson)
25. 07:02 AM - Re: Mechanic near 35A? (Jose M. Toro)
26. 07:08 AM - Re: (off-topic) 9/11 pilots. WAS: Member Terminated (Jose M. Toro)
27. 07:11 AM - Re: Re: Is a taildragger dangerousIs a taildragger dangerous (Noel Loveys)
28. 07:23 AM - Re: Re: Member Terminated (Jose M. Toro)
29. 07:35 AM - Re: Re: Member Terminated (Brian Smith)
30. 07:35 AM - Re: Need help turning a rough field into a nice grass strip (Algate)
31. 07:44 AM - Re: Need help turning a rough field into a nice grass strip (kitfoxmike)
32. 07:47 AM - Re: Member Terminated (kitfoxmike)
33. 07:55 AM - Re: Re: Member Terminated (Noel Loveys)
34. 07:59 AM - Re: Need help turning a rough field into a nice grass strip (wingnut)
35. 08:09 AM - (MA Stanard)
36. 08:11 AM - Re: Need help turning a rough field into a nice grass strip (Fox5flyer)
37. 08:27 AM - Re: Re: Member Terminated (Jose M. Toro)
38. 08:33 AM - Re: Re: Mechanic near 35A? (Jose M. Toro)
39. 08:37 AM - Re: FLOAT PLANE GROUP: CZECH FLOATS (John Marzulli)
40. 08:42 AM - Re: Re: Need help turning a rough field into a nice grass strip (Dave)
41. 08:43 AM - Re: Need help turning a rough field into a nice grass strip (wingnut)
42. 08:43 AM - (off-topic) Amsterdam-Schiphol intercept (Michel Verheughe)
43. 08:52 AM - Re: Mechanic near 35A? (wingnut)
44. 09:24 AM - Re: literary references (John Galt)
45. 09:26 AM - Re: Kitfox for sale (John Galt)
46. 09:48 AM - Poll (Michel Verheughe)
47. 10:07 AM - Re: Re: Need help turning a rough field into a nice grass strip (Algate)
48. 10:20 AM - Re: Re: Need help turning a rough field into a nice grass strip (Dave)
49. 10:25 AM - Re: Poll (Dave G.)
50. 10:26 AM - Re: (Mike Crutchlow)
51. 10:28 AM - Re: Poll (Dave G.)
52. 10:40 AM - Re: Grass strips (Lynn Matteson)
53. 10:52 AM - Re: (off topic) The experience of sailing. WAS: Is a taildragger (Richard Rabbers)
54. 10:52 AM - Re: Need help turning a rough field into a nice grass strip (wingnut)
55. 10:59 AM - Re: Mechanic near 35A? (Tony Clark)
56. 11:13 AM - Poll: Which plane, engine and gear configuration, please? (Michel)
57. 11:16 AM - Re: Poll: Which plane, engine and gear configuration, please? (kitfoxmike)
58. 11:19 AM - Poll: Which plane, engine and gear configuration, please? (Michel)
59. 11:24 AM - Poll: Which plane, engine and gear configuration, please? (Michel)
60. 11:26 AM - Re: Poll (Michel Verheughe)
61. 11:27 AM - Re: Poll (Richard Rabbers)
62. 11:27 AM - Re: Grass strips (kitfoxmike)
63. 11:49 AM - Re: Poll: Which plane, engine and gear configuration, please? (Scott Patterson)
64. 11:57 AM - Re: Re: Need help turning a rough field into a nice grass strip (Dave)
65. 11:59 AM - Re: Re: Grass strips (Dave)
66. 12:10 PM - Re: Grass strips (W Duke)
67. 12:14 PM - Re: (off topic) The experience of sailing (Michel Verheughe)
68. 12:15 PM - Re: Need help turning a rough field into a nice grass strip (wingnut)
69. 12:17 PM - Re: Poll: Which plane, engine and gear configuration, please? (Forfun3@aol.com)
70. 12:26 PM - Re: Re: Need help turning a rough field into a nice grass strip (Dave)
71. 12:29 PM - Re: Poll: Which plane, engine and gear configuration, please? (Ben-PA)
72. 12:37 PM - Re: Poll: Which plane, engine and gear configuration, please? (Algate)
73. 12:55 PM - Re: Re: Poll: Which plane, engine and gear configuration, please? (Michel Verheughe)
74. 01:13 PM - Re: Poll: Which plane, engine and gear configuration, please? (Lyle Persels)
75. 01:46 PM - Re: Re: Poll: Which plane, engine and gear configuration, please? (Jose M. Toro)
76. 01:48 PM - Poll: Which plane, engine and gear configuration, please? (Barry)
77. 02:17 PM - Re: Poll: Which plane, engine and gear configuration, please? (Nelson Goguen)
78. 03:26 PM - Re: Poll (QSS)
79. 03:47 PM - Re: (john perry)
80. 04:19 PM - Re: Poll: Which plane, engine and gear configuration, please? (Eric)
81. 04:28 PM - Re: (off topic) The experience of sailing (Richard Rabbers)
82. 04:52 PM - Re: (neflyer48)
83. 05:01 PM - Re: (John Anderson)
84. 05:13 PM - Re: (Dee Young)
85. 05:17 PM - Re: Poll: Which plane, engine and gear configuration, please? (eccles)
86. 05:39 PM - Re: Re: Poll: Which plane, engine and gear configuration, please? (Roger McConnell)
87. 05:40 PM - Re: Poll: Which plane, engine and gear configuration, please? (Steve Wilson)
88. 05:44 PM - (Rexster)
89. 05:52 PM - Re: Poll: Which plane, engine and gear configuration, please? (Fred Shiple)
90. 06:24 PM - Type of Aircraft (Glenn Horne)
91. 07:06 PM - Type of Aircraft (Don Smythe)
92. 07:11 PM - Re: Grass strips (morid@northland.lib.mi.us)
93. 07:28 PM - Re: Type of Aircraft (Eric)
94. 07:29 PM - Re: Poll: Which plane, engine and gear configuration, please? (Clem Nichols)
95. 07:30 PM - Weight (David Estapa)
96. 07:33 PM - Fw: Type of Aircraft (Ron Liebmann)
97. 07:35 PM - Re: Grass strips (Kenneth and Alice Jones)
98. 07:39 PM - Re: (kirkhull)
99. 07:40 PM - Re: Type of Aircraft (kirkhull)
100. 08:11 PM - Re: Re: Mechanic near 35A? (kirkhull)
101. 08:18 PM - Fw: malcolm Falcom ins web site (Malcolmbru@AOL.COM)
102. 09:07 PM - poll (Shane Sather)
103. 09:31 PM - Re: poll (Ted Palamarek)
104. 10:04 PM - Ignition system (QSS)
105. 10:04 PM - Kitfox in Thailand - Is it safe to come out now? (Colin Durey)
106. 11:39 PM - Re: Kitfox in Thailand - Is it safe to come out now? (QSS)
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| Subject: | Re: Is a taildragger dangerousIs a taildragger dangerous |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
Cliff sez:
>...maingear on the Tri is farther aft, this has the effect of
>raising the front end of the plane farther when the tail is all the
>way down.
You're right Cliff, I hadn't thought about that.
>...who cares if the Tri gear plane can brake harder than the TW
>plane, you could only do it on an improved runway and there isn't
>much need to do so there.
That all depends on what you are landing on. :-) There are lots of
hard-packed dirt runways here in the southwest that are very short.
The question was, though, why would a nose wheel 'fox take off and
land shorter. I simply offered some comments on why that might be
the case. Obviously it has everything to do with the situation and
the pilot's skills.
As for rough field operations, I would say the same is true: it
depends entirely on the situation. I've seen taildraggers ground
loop or flip over as a result of catching a main or two in a rut and
I've seen nose wheel 'foxes land on some impossibly nasty terrain and
vice versa. When you land on unimproved strips you are, in a sense,
rolling the dice.
Mike G.
N728KF
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
Scott sez:
>I just signed up with Avemco. 800-638-8440.
>$1,000,000 liability for $572/year. Model IV.
I'd like to point out something about the insurance policies many of
us have on our airplanes. If you read the fine print you may
discover that, although you have a million dollars in liability
coverage, it is limited to a fairly low value, typically $100,000,
per seat. In other words, if you smash into someone's house and
injure their child, the full million will be paid out. If, on the
other hand, the child was in the plane with you, it will only pay out
the one hundred thousand per seat.
This came into play when the medical expenses for the passenger who
was with me when I had my accident climbed above $100,000--it can
happen quite easily these days! Luckily for me, my insurance company
worked with my passenger to negotiate the medical expenses down below
the covered amount, otherwise I would have been personally liable for
the difference.
When the policy came up for renewal on my Piper Turbo Arrow this
time, we paid a little bit more for what is called "smooth coverage,"
i.e., a policy with no per-seat limits. In my opinion, if you fly
with passengers much, it's worth the extra few dollars.
Mike G.
N728KF
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| Subject: | (off topic) The experience of sailing. WAS: Is a taildragger |
dangerous?
> From: Richard Rabbers [rira1950@yahoo.com]
> The strength of the cold wind and resulting power of a sail is much greater
> than a warm tropical breeze.
Well ... yes and no, Richard. While colder, and therefore denser air, will put
more pressure on your sails, it will also on your anemometer and therefore, for
the same wind force reading, you will carry the same reefed sail, summer or
winter.
It is a common concept that the wind "hits harder" in the winter but it is attributed
to the general discomfort of feeling a cold wind, which indeed feels "harder."
In the temperate latitudes, the frequency of gale winds is largely higher in the
winter, though. But that is due to the fact that the difference between polar
and tropical air masses is greater in winter, because of the very short polar
day, in winter; vs. the very long one in summer.
This being said, I have never been carrying a wind measuring instrument in my sailboat
because, for me, there is only three wind forces: Not enough, enough and,
too much. That is very subjective and it should be. If I feel like reefing
down the main, or seek shelter in a harbour, it is because it blows "too much."
What is the actual wind speed in knots, doesn't matter. It may be that I feel
tired, start a cold, have a passenger I worry about, need a good night sleep.
All those are good enough reasons to say that the wind force is: too much.
But you are right to say that e.g. maritime radio communication helps once becoming
a pilot, Richard. There is very much similarity between ATC and VTS (vessel
traffic surveillance) and SAR is, anyway, common for the maritime and aviation
world, ... although I still have to see an aircraft calling pan-pan.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Member Terminated |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brian Smith" <bsmith3163@aol.com>
Jose, I hope that you are not really comparing this guy to the pilots that
lost their lives in the 9/11 tragedy. It was not their "flying judgements"
that caused these events to happen. Being an AA pilot, I lost friends that
day and I walked the platform over the site that only family members were
allowed to go to and there were way too many pictures of lost friends and
family to make this kind of statement lightly.
Brian
Do Not Archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jose M. Toro
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 9:44 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Member Terminated
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro"
--> <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
Don:
Thanks for your decision!!! If this person is really a pilot, and his
flying judgements are similar to his postings, then the sky is not anymore
as safe as it used to be. Any relation with the 911 pilots???
Jose
--- John Galt <johngalt.0@gmail.com> wrote:
> Talk about a hypocrite! All the accusations you make against me, yet
> it is your members who are full of hate. Shall I repost the other
> members message who wished me to die because I owned a piper cherokee?
>
> Mr. Pearsall, you are truly a sick and closed minded individial who
> supports the hate of your membership towards anyone who would question
> the kitfox purple koolaid.
>
> And take your head out of your ass. It is people like yourself and
> some of your list that condone the abuse of children during their sex
> vacations in Thailand that sicken me. I will not keep your dirty
> little secret that your list members hold.
>
> And not resubscribe to the list? The beauty of the internet is that
> you can change your e-mail address. I will now make it my mission to
> let all know what a sick bunch of preverts invest this kitfox list.
> You truly should be ashamed of yourself.
>
>
>
> On 8/24/06, Don Pearsall <donpearsall@comcast.net>
> wrote:
> >
> > Mr.. Galt,
> > You have been given many chances to be supportive
> and to contribute
> > positively to the Kitfox forum. We have over 400
> members who can manage to
> > do that with no controversy. You have chosen not
> to do so. Instead you
> > answer every post with some complaint about a
> member, and post bizarre
> > messages such as about child sex in Thailand.
> >
> > The last straw is this post where you publicly
> posted a member's private
> > message to you. That was a breach of
> confidentiality that we cannot
> > tolerate.
> >
> > Sorry it did not work out for you, but you are
> gone. Do not try to
> > re-subscribe.
> >
> > Don Pearsall
> > List Administrator
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> > *From:* owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:
> > owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf
> Of *John Galt
> > *Sent:* Thursday, August 24, 2006 3:25 PM
> > *To:* Rexster
> > *Subject:* Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox in Thailand?
> >
> >
> > Mesier Rexster:
> >
> > Well, judging by the amount of personal attacks I
> have recieved, including
> > your e-mail below, it doesn't seem like a friendly
> place... certainly not if
> > you disagree with anyone or question the
> collective.
> >
> > Still, I bet you do feel better after getting that
> off your chest, so we
> > might as well share that with everyone. Ahhhhh....
> much better, aye?
> >
> >
> > On 8/24/06, Rexster <runwayrex@juno.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > John,
> > >
> > > You're an interesting fellow. I'm curious
> about what your history is.
> > > Try to understand that I'm not getting on your
> case, but trying to
> > > understand you. It seems that all you want to do
> on the forum is argue and
> > > fight with people on what for the rest of us, is
> a friendly chat place. I'm
> > > sure that this lack of people skills transfers
> into the rest of your life
> > > and you probably have very few friends, if any.
> That's sad for someone to go
> > > through life like that. I'm surprised from the
> many people on the forum that
> > > are appalled by your comments that you continue
> to be nasty with almost all
> > > of your emails to the forum.
> > >
> > > Out of curiosity, there's a fellow from my
> high school graduating
> > > class who has completely alienated himself from
> the rest of the class with a
> > > similar attitude. Everybody shakes their heads
> in amazement at how nasty he
> > > is and why he chooses that lifestyle. It's sad
> to see him so miserable.
> > > There's no way to ask him as he's even less
> approachable than you are (I
> > > think). We feel badly for him and the lifestyle
> he chooses as I actually
> > > liked him during high school. We're all trying
> to figure out what makes him
> > > like that. The rest of us have had so much fun
> getting together and enjoying
> > > emails with each other over the years. Why would
> he choose to constantly be
> > > digging up things to argue about? You seem a bit
> more talkative so maybe you
> > > can give me some insight. Life is too short to
> be like that.
> > >
> > > One more question. I've noticed that both of
> you guys like to use long
> > > words that don't seem to come up in most
> people's conversations. I don't
> > > save any of the forum emails if they're not
> pertaining to Kitfoxes so I
> > > don't have examples to give you. The only one I
> remember (zealots)isn't that
> > > uncommon but you do tend to use pretty big and
> uncommon terms. The fellow
> > > from my high school class does the same thing.
> Any ideas here?
> > >
> > > I doubt that at this stage in your life that
> we'd be able to help you
> > > be a happier person, but my guess would be that
> if you talked to people on
> > > the forum with in a friendlier manner that you'd
> be more welcome. Keep in
> > > mind that I'm not trying to make you feel bad, I
> would just like to
> > > understand what makes you seem to enjoy haggling
> with people. Life can be so
> > > much more fun if you make friends instead.
> > >
> > > Please note that I'm sending this to you
> personally and not the entire
> > > Kitfox forum. Let's keep the personal stuff off
> of there. Good luck to you
> > > and I hope things get better for you.
> > >
> > > Rex in Michigan
> > >
> > > ---------- Forwarded Message ----------
> > > Guess you'll be quick to sell it with that
> attitude.
> > >
> > > On 8/24/06, Noel Loveys <noelloveys@yahoo.ca >
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Not even warm!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Noel
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > *From:* owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:
> > > > owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] *On
> Behalf Of *John Galt
> > > > *Sent:* Thursday, August 24, 2006 12:35 AM
> > > > *To:* kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > > > *Subject:* Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox in
> Thailand?
> > > >
> > > > Yeap, the other poster did not like my
> comment that it is a buyers
> > > > market out there, let alone for experimentals.
> Big money? You mean in the
> > > > $14K range?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 8/23/06, Noel Loveys < noelloveys@yahoo.ca
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Consider that some people, I'm one, who
> didn't figure out your
> > > > > original comment in relation pricing a
> plane. Consider also the ire, make
> > > > > that blind rage, the words "child sex
> trade", would invoke!
> > > > >
> > > > > Maybe it's time to close the book on this
> one.
> > > > >
> > > > > You can buy my model III-A 582"B" box w/ Ivo
> in flight three blade
> > > > > UL Aerocet floats and straight skis wheels
> if you want 'em..... Bring
> > > > > money..... Big MONEY!
> > > > >
> > > > > Noel
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > *From:*
> owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> > > > > owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] *On
> Behalf Of *John Galt
> > > > > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 23, 2006 10:16 PM
> > > > > *To:* kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > > > > *Subject:* Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox in
> Thailand?
> > > > >
> > > > > Gosh Rex, is it permissable to you if I
> look for Kitfoxes to buy or
> > > > > is even that frowned upon by the list
> crumogeons on here? Too bad you were
> > > > > not reading the thread, you would have
> figured out what I was talking
> > > > > about. I was objecting to the list zealots
> attacking a man (not me) for
> > > > > "pricing his kitfox too low". If anyone
> needs counseling, it is them. Or
> > > > > perhaps a one way ticket to Thailand.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 8/23/06, Rexster <runwayrex@juno.com >
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > John Galt,
> > > > >
> > > > > Have you checked into some good counseling
> in your area? Nobody on
> > > > > this list seems to have a clue how you have
> connected Kifox flyers with sex
> > > > > trade and/or religious zealots. I would
> guess that this issue isn't the only
> > > > > termoil you have going on in your head.
> Please stay off of this forum unless
> > > > > you're here for the intended purpose.
> > > > >
> > > > > Rex in Michigan
> > > > >
> > > > > -- "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net> wrote:
> > > > > *From:* John Galt <johngalt.0@gmail.com>
> > > > >
> > > > > I realize these religious zealots exist in
> any vocation, so it will
> > > > > not cool my interest in kitfoxes. My sole
> point is the market sets the
> > > > > price, not some over zealous evangelist, no
> matter how well intentioned they
> > > > > may be.
> > > > >
> > > > > RELIGIOUS ZEALOTS...........ZEALOUS
> EVANGELIST...
> > > > > I don't think I'll respond anymore to this.
> No telling what I'll
> > > > > hear next. Fly alone young man.
> > > > >
> > > > > Don Smythe
> > > > >
> > > > > *
> > > > > tronics.comics.com
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Good post Kirk. In my opinion, grass strips are much easier, more
forgiving, safer, and less apt to cause problems in crosswinds than paved
strips, especially with tail draggers. If the grass is wet it's even
better. Nothing daredevil about it. Yet, I've known several people who
have never landed on one because of hangar stories they've heard. Up here
in northern Michigan, that eliminates a lot of places to go. Reminds me of
the reasons some folks who won't use air traffic control.
Deke
S5 TD
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kirkhull" <kirkhull@sbcglobal.net>
>
> I have not landed the fox on grass yet but will as soon as the 40 are
done.
> Short strips are no place for test flights but I don't thank that a grass
> strip is unsafe and would almost argue the other way. I'm pretty sure
that
> everyone on the list would consider me safety consensus as I am a former
> Safety analyst for a major airline, And now in the insurance world
>
>
> --Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger
McConnell
> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 5:21 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Is a taildragger dangerousIs a taildragger
> dangerous
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Roger McConnell" <rdmac@swbell.net>
>
> Mike,
> Count me as one that lands 100% on asphalt or better still concrete.
> Sense I'm still flying the 40 hours off my plane; I haven't had or made
the
> push to try grass yet. I have landed on grass and enjoyed it very much,
just
> not in the Kitfox. I will some day but sense I'm a "lazy" pilot:) I
haven't
> gotten around to it yet. By the way you might consider me, too safety
> conscious.
>
> Roger Mac
> S7/912s (trigear)
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kitfoxmike
> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 12:04 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Is a taildragger dangerousIs a taildragger
> dangerous
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com>
>
> I think we need to have a poll as to how many of us actually land in a
rough
> off field. I don't. Currently 100% is ashphalt. Off field, or the
boonees
> landing is very risky and I concider most to be extrem flying. Am I the
> only one that takes safety seriously and determines yes or no to a landing
> site. Sure some of us are thinking, what if the engine quites. I say,
> that's not a normal.
>
> My definition of extrem is daredevil.
>
> --------
> kitfoxmike
> kitfox4 1200 912ul speedster
> http://www.frappr.com/kitfoxmike
> rv7 wingkit
> reserved 287RV
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=57025#57025
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
The way I've heard it is that once you are quoted a price for
insurance, that quote is fed out to all the insurance companies, and
they all will then "honor" that quote. In other words, you are locked
into that quote figure with all the insurers. I've heard this from
several sources...is it true?
Lynn
On Thursday, August 24, 2006, at 03:53 PM, Rexster wrote:
> With Falcon, I'm paying $969 for liability plus $30,000value of full
> coverage. I had checked with Avemco and they were much higher. Why not
> call both and compare for what you'd like.
>
> Rex in Michigan
>
> --ScottPatterson<scott@lifeseeker.com>wrote:
> -->Kitfox-
> Listmessagepostedby:ScottPatterson<scott@lifeseeker.com>
>
> IjustsignedupwithAvemco.800-638-8440.
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
I thought he was talking about the terrorist pilots.
Anyway, Mr. Galt is gone now so maybe it's time to put this topic to bed and
get on with something more appropriate to what this list is all about.
Thanks,
Deke
do not archive
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brian Smith" <bsmith3163@aol.com>
>
> Jose, I hope that you are not really comparing this guy to the pilots that
> lost their lives in the 9/11 tragedy. It was not their "flying
judgements"
> that caused these events to happen. Being an AA pilot, I lost friends
that
> day and I walked the platform over the site that only family members were
> allowed to go to and there were way too many pictures of lost friends and
> family to make this kind of statement lightly.
>
> Brian
>
> Do Not Archive
>
> Thanks for your decision!!! If this person is really a pilot, and his
> flying judgements are similar to his postings, then the sky is not anymore
> as safe as it used to be. Any relation with the 911 pilots???
>
> Jose
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
Brian,
I read that without any doubt in my mind that the pilot reference was to
the "Terrorist" who piloted the planes into the WTC.
Do Not Archive
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Smith" <bsmith3163@aol.com>
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 7:38 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Member Terminated
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brian Smith" <bsmith3163@aol.com>
>
> Jose, I hope that you are not really comparing this guy to the pilots that
> lost their lives in the 9/11 tragedy. It was not their "flying
> judgements"
> that caused these events to happen. Being an AA pilot, I lost friends
> that
> day and I walked the platform over the site that only family members were
> allowed to go to and there were way too many pictures of lost friends and
> family to make this kind of statement lightly.
>
> Brian
>
> Do Not Archive
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jose M. Toro
> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 9:44 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Member Terminated
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro"
> --> <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
>
> Don:
>
> Thanks for your decision!!! If this person is really a pilot, and his
> flying judgements are similar to his postings, then the sky is not anymore
> as safe as it used to be. Any relation with the 911 pilots???
>
> Jose
>
> --- John Galt <johngalt.0@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Talk about a hypocrite! All the accusations you make against me, yet
>> it is your members who are full of hate. Shall I repost the other
>> members message who wished me to die because I owned a piper cherokee?
>>
>> Mr. Pearsall, you are truly a sick and closed minded individial who
>> supports the hate of your membership towards anyone who would question
>> the kitfox purple koolaid.
>>
>> And take your head out of your ass. It is people like yourself and
>> some of your list that condone the abuse of children during their sex
>> vacations in Thailand that sicken me. I will not keep your dirty
>> little secret that your list members hold.
>>
>> And not resubscribe to the list? The beauty of the internet is that
>> you can change your e-mail address. I will now make it my mission to
>> let all know what a sick bunch of preverts invest this kitfox list.
>> You truly should be ashamed of yourself.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/24/06, Don Pearsall <donpearsall@comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Mr.. Galt,
>> > You have been given many chances to be supportive
>> and to contribute
>> > positively to the Kitfox forum. We have over 400
>> members who can manage to
>> > do that with no controversy. You have chosen not
>> to do so. Instead you
>> > answer every post with some complaint about a
>> member, and post bizarre
>> > messages such as about child sex in Thailand.
>> >
>> > The last straw is this post where you publicly
>> posted a member's private
>> > message to you. That was a breach of
>> confidentiality that we cannot
>> > tolerate.
>> >
>> > Sorry it did not work out for you, but you are
>> gone. Do not try to
>> > re-subscribe.
>> >
>> > Don Pearsall
>> > List Administrator
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------
>> > *From:* owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:
>> > owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf
>> Of *John Galt
>> > *Sent:* Thursday, August 24, 2006 3:25 PM
>> > *To:* Rexster
>> > *Subject:* Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox in Thailand?
>> >
>> >
>> > Mesier Rexster:
>> >
>> > Well, judging by the amount of personal attacks I
>> have recieved, including
>> > your e-mail below, it doesn't seem like a friendly
>> place... certainly not if
>> > you disagree with anyone or question the
>> collective.
>> >
>> > Still, I bet you do feel better after getting that
>> off your chest, so we
>> > might as well share that with everyone. Ahhhhh....
>> much better, aye?
>> >
>> >
>> > On 8/24/06, Rexster <runwayrex@juno.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > John,
>> > >
>> > > You're an interesting fellow. I'm curious
>> about what your history is.
>> > > Try to understand that I'm not getting on your
>> case, but trying to
>> > > understand you. It seems that all you want to do
>> on the forum is argue and
>> > > fight with people on what for the rest of us, is
>> a friendly chat place. I'm
>> > > sure that this lack of people skills transfers
>> into the rest of your life
>> > > and you probably have very few friends, if any.
>> That's sad for someone to go
>> > > through life like that. I'm surprised from the
>> many people on the forum that
>> > > are appalled by your comments that you continue
>> to be nasty with almost all
>> > > of your emails to the forum.
>> > >
>> > > Out of curiosity, there's a fellow from my
>> high school graduating
>> > > class who has completely alienated himself from
>> the rest of the class with a
>> > > similar attitude. Everybody shakes their heads
>> in amazement at how nasty he
>> > > is and why he chooses that lifestyle. It's sad
>> to see him so miserable.
>> > > There's no way to ask him as he's even less
>> approachable than you are (I
>> > > think). We feel badly for him and the lifestyle
>> he chooses as I actually
>> > > liked him during high school. We're all trying
>> to figure out what makes him
>> > > like that. The rest of us have had so much fun
>> getting together and enjoying
>> > > emails with each other over the years. Why would
>> he choose to constantly be
>> > > digging up things to argue about? You seem a bit
>> more talkative so maybe you
>> > > can give me some insight. Life is too short to
>> be like that.
>> > >
>> > > One more question. I've noticed that both of
>> you guys like to use long
>> > > words that don't seem to come up in most
>> people's conversations. I don't
>> > > save any of the forum emails if they're not
>> pertaining to Kitfoxes so I
>> > > don't have examples to give you. The only one I
>> remember (zealots)isn't that
>> > > uncommon but you do tend to use pretty big and
>> uncommon terms. The fellow
>> > > from my high school class does the same thing.
>> Any ideas here?
>> > >
>> > > I doubt that at this stage in your life that
>> we'd be able to help you
>> > > be a happier person, but my guess would be that
>> if you talked to people on
>> > > the forum with in a friendlier manner that you'd
>> be more welcome. Keep in
>> > > mind that I'm not trying to make you feel bad, I
>> would just like to
>> > > understand what makes you seem to enjoy haggling
>> with people. Life can be so
>> > > much more fun if you make friends instead.
>> > >
>> > > Please note that I'm sending this to you
>> personally and not the entire
>> > > Kitfox forum. Let's keep the personal stuff off
>> of there. Good luck to you
>> > > and I hope things get better for you.
>> > >
>> > > Rex in Michigan
>> > >
>> > > ---------- Forwarded Message ----------
>> > > Guess you'll be quick to sell it with that
>> attitude.
>> > >
>> > > On 8/24/06, Noel Loveys <noelloveys@yahoo.ca >
>> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > Not even warm!
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Noel
>> > > >
>> > > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > > *From:* owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:
>> > > > owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] *On
>> Behalf Of *John Galt
>> > > > *Sent:* Thursday, August 24, 2006 12:35 AM
>> > > > *To:* kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> > > > *Subject:* Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox in
>> Thailand?
>> > > >
>> > > > Yeap, the other poster did not like my
>> comment that it is a buyers
>> > > > market out there, let alone for experimentals.
>> Big money? You mean in the
>> > > > $14K range?
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > On 8/23/06, Noel Loveys < noelloveys@yahoo.ca
>> > wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > Consider that some people, I'm one, who
>> didn't figure out your
>> > > > > original comment in relation pricing a
>> plane. Consider also the ire, make
>> > > > > that blind rage, the words "child sex
>> trade", would invoke!
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Maybe it's time to close the book on this
>> one.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > You can buy my model III-A 582"B" box w/ Ivo
>> in flight three blade
>> > > > > UL Aerocet floats and straight skis wheels
>> if you want 'em..... Bring
>> > > > > money..... Big MONEY!
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Noel
>> > > > >
>> > > > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > > > *From:*
>> owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
>> > > > > owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] *On
>> Behalf Of *John Galt
>> > > > > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 23, 2006 10:16 PM
>> > > > > *To:* kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> > > > > *Subject:* Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox in
>> Thailand?
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Gosh Rex, is it permissable to you if I
>> look for Kitfoxes to buy or
>> > > > > is even that frowned upon by the list
>> crumogeons on here? Too bad you were
>> > > > > not reading the thread, you would have
>> figured out what I was talking
>> > > > > about. I was objecting to the list zealots
>> attacking a man (not me) for
>> > > > > "pricing his kitfox too low". If anyone
>> needs counseling, it is them. Or
>> > > > > perhaps a one way ticket to Thailand.
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > On 8/23/06, Rexster <runwayrex@juno.com >
>> wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > John Galt,
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Have you checked into some good counseling
>> in your area? Nobody on
>> > > > > this list seems to have a clue how you have
>> connected Kifox flyers with sex
>> > > > > trade and/or religious zealots. I would
>> guess that this issue isn't the only
>> > > > > termoil you have going on in your head.
>> Please stay off of this forum unless
>> > > > > you're here for the intended purpose.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Rex in Michigan
>> > > > >
>> > > > > -- "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net> wrote:
>> > > > > *From:* John Galt <johngalt.0@gmail.com>
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I realize these religious zealots exist in
>> any vocation, so it will
>> > > > > not cool my interest in kitfoxes. My sole
>> point is the market sets the
>> > > > > price, not some over zealous evangelist, no
>> matter how well intentioned they
>> > > > > may be.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > RELIGIOUS ZEALOTS...........ZEALOUS
>> EVANGELIST...
>> > > > > I don't think I'll respond anymore to this.
>> No telling what I'll
>> > > > > hear next. Fly alone young man.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Don Smythe
>> > > > >
>> > > > > *
>> > > > > tronics.comics.com
>> > > > > *
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > *
>> > > > >
>> > > > > *
>> > > > >
>> > > > > *
>> > > >
>> > > > *
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > *
>> > > >
>> > > > *
>> > > >
>> > > > *
>> > > >
>> > > > *
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > *
>> > >
>>
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> p://wiki.matronics.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution
>> > > *
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brian Smith" <bsmith3163@aol.com>
Ops. Then my mistake and my appologies. B.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Smythe
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 7:36 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Member Terminated
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
Brian,
I read that without any doubt in my mind that the pilot reference was to
the "Terrorist" who piloted the planes into the WTC.
Do Not Archive
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Smith" <bsmith3163@aol.com>
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 7:38 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Member Terminated
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brian Smith" <bsmith3163@aol.com>
>
> Jose, I hope that you are not really comparing this guy to the pilots that
> lost their lives in the 9/11 tragedy. It was not their "flying
> judgements"
> that caused these events to happen. Being an AA pilot, I lost friends
> that
> day and I walked the platform over the site that only family members were
> allowed to go to and there were way too many pictures of lost friends and
> family to make this kind of statement lightly.
>
> Brian
>
> Do Not Archive
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jose M. Toro
> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 9:44 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Member Terminated
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro"
> --> <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
>
> Don:
>
> Thanks for your decision!!! If this person is really a pilot, and his
> flying judgements are similar to his postings, then the sky is not anymore
> as safe as it used to be. Any relation with the 911 pilots???
>
> Jose
>
> --- John Galt <johngalt.0@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Talk about a hypocrite! All the accusations you make against me, yet
>> it is your members who are full of hate. Shall I repost the other
>> members message who wished me to die because I owned a piper cherokee?
>>
>> Mr. Pearsall, you are truly a sick and closed minded individial who
>> supports the hate of your membership towards anyone who would question
>> the kitfox purple koolaid.
>>
>> And take your head out of your ass. It is people like yourself and
>> some of your list that condone the abuse of children during their sex
>> vacations in Thailand that sicken me. I will not keep your dirty
>> little secret that your list members hold.
>>
>> And not resubscribe to the list? The beauty of the internet is that
>> you can change your e-mail address. I will now make it my mission to
>> let all know what a sick bunch of preverts invest this kitfox list.
>> You truly should be ashamed of yourself.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/24/06, Don Pearsall <donpearsall@comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Mr.. Galt,
>> > You have been given many chances to be supportive
>> and to contribute
>> > positively to the Kitfox forum. We have over 400
>> members who can manage to
>> > do that with no controversy. You have chosen not
>> to do so. Instead you
>> > answer every post with some complaint about a
>> member, and post bizarre
>> > messages such as about child sex in Thailand.
>> >
>> > The last straw is this post where you publicly
>> posted a member's private
>> > message to you. That was a breach of
>> confidentiality that we cannot
>> > tolerate.
>> >
>> > Sorry it did not work out for you, but you are
>> gone. Do not try to
>> > re-subscribe.
>> >
>> > Don Pearsall
>> > List Administrator
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------
>> > *From:* owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:
>> > owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf
>> Of *John Galt
>> > *Sent:* Thursday, August 24, 2006 3:25 PM
>> > *To:* Rexster
>> > *Subject:* Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox in Thailand?
>> >
>> >
>> > Mesier Rexster:
>> >
>> > Well, judging by the amount of personal attacks I
>> have recieved, including
>> > your e-mail below, it doesn't seem like a friendly
>> place... certainly not if
>> > you disagree with anyone or question the
>> collective.
>> >
>> > Still, I bet you do feel better after getting that
>> off your chest, so we
>> > might as well share that with everyone. Ahhhhh....
>> much better, aye?
>> >
>> >
>> > On 8/24/06, Rexster <runwayrex@juno.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > John,
>> > >
>> > > You're an interesting fellow. I'm curious
>> about what your history is.
>> > > Try to understand that I'm not getting on your
>> case, but trying to
>> > > understand you. It seems that all you want to do
>> on the forum is argue and
>> > > fight with people on what for the rest of us, is
>> a friendly chat place. I'm
>> > > sure that this lack of people skills transfers
>> into the rest of your life
>> > > and you probably have very few friends, if any.
>> That's sad for someone to go
>> > > through life like that. I'm surprised from the
>> many people on the forum that
>> > > are appalled by your comments that you continue
>> to be nasty with almost all
>> > > of your emails to the forum.
>> > >
>> > > Out of curiosity, there's a fellow from my
>> high school graduating
>> > > class who has completely alienated himself from
>> the rest of the class with a
>> > > similar attitude. Everybody shakes their heads
>> in amazement at how nasty he
>> > > is and why he chooses that lifestyle. It's sad
>> to see him so miserable.
>> > > There's no way to ask him as he's even less
>> approachable than you are (I
>> > > think). We feel badly for him and the lifestyle
>> he chooses as I actually
>> > > liked him during high school. We're all trying
>> to figure out what makes him
>> > > like that. The rest of us have had so much fun
>> getting together and enjoying
>> > > emails with each other over the years. Why would
>> he choose to constantly be
>> > > digging up things to argue about? You seem a bit
>> more talkative so maybe you
>> > > can give me some insight. Life is too short to
>> be like that.
>> > >
>> > > One more question. I've noticed that both of
>> you guys like to use long
>> > > words that don't seem to come up in most
>> people's conversations. I don't
>> > > save any of the forum emails if they're not
>> pertaining to Kitfoxes so I
>> > > don't have examples to give you. The only one I
>> remember (zealots)isn't that
>> > > uncommon but you do tend to use pretty big and
>> uncommon terms. The fellow
>> > > from my high school class does the same thing.
>> Any ideas here?
>> > >
>> > > I doubt that at this stage in your life that
>> we'd be able to help you
>> > > be a happier person, but my guess would be that
>> if you talked to people on
>> > > the forum with in a friendlier manner that you'd
>> be more welcome. Keep in
>> > > mind that I'm not trying to make you feel bad, I
>> would just like to
>> > > understand what makes you seem to enjoy haggling
>> with people. Life can be so
>> > > much more fun if you make friends instead.
>> > >
>> > > Please note that I'm sending this to you
>> personally and not the entire
>> > > Kitfox forum. Let's keep the personal stuff off
>> of there. Good luck to you
>> > > and I hope things get better for you.
>> > >
>> > > Rex in Michigan
>> > >
>> > > ---------- Forwarded Message ----------
>> > > Guess you'll be quick to sell it with that
>> attitude.
>> > >
>> > > On 8/24/06, Noel Loveys <noelloveys@yahoo.ca >
>> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > Not even warm!
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Noel
>> > > >
>> > > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > > *From:* owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:
>> > > > owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] *On
>> Behalf Of *John Galt
>> > > > *Sent:* Thursday, August 24, 2006 12:35 AM
>> > > > *To:* kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> > > > *Subject:* Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox in
>> Thailand?
>> > > >
>> > > > Yeap, the other poster did not like my
>> comment that it is a buyers
>> > > > market out there, let alone for experimentals.
>> Big money? You mean in the
>> > > > $14K range?
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > On 8/23/06, Noel Loveys < noelloveys@yahoo.ca
>> > wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > Consider that some people, I'm one, who
>> didn't figure out your
>> > > > > original comment in relation pricing a
>> plane. Consider also the ire, make
>> > > > > that blind rage, the words "child sex
>> trade", would invoke!
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Maybe it's time to close the book on this
>> one.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > You can buy my model III-A 582"B" box w/ Ivo
>> in flight three blade
>> > > > > UL Aerocet floats and straight skis wheels
>> if you want 'em..... Bring
>> > > > > money..... Big MONEY!
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Noel
>> > > > >
>> > > > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > > > *From:*
>> owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
>> > > > > owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] *On
>> Behalf Of *John Galt
>> > > > > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 23, 2006 10:16 PM
>> > > > > *To:* kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> > > > > *Subject:* Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox in
>> Thailand?
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Gosh Rex, is it permissable to you if I
>> look for Kitfoxes to buy or
>> > > > > is even that frowned upon by the list
>> crumogeons on here? Too bad you were
>> > > > > not reading the thread, you would have
>> figured out what I was talking
>> > > > > about. I was objecting to the list zealots
>> attacking a man (not me) for
>> > > > > "pricing his kitfox too low". If anyone
>> needs counseling, it is them. Or
>> > > > > perhaps a one way ticket to Thailand.
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > On 8/23/06, Rexster <runwayrex@juno.com >
>> wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > John Galt,
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Have you checked into some good counseling
>> in your area? Nobody on
>> > > > > this list seems to have a clue how you have
>> connected Kifox flyers with sex
>> > > > > trade and/or religious zealots. I would
>> guess that this issue isn't the only
>> > > > > termoil you have going on in your head.
>> Please stay off of this forum unless
>> > > > > you're here for the intended purpose.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Rex in Michigan
>> > > > >
>> > > > > -- "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net> wrote:
>> > > > > *From:* John Galt <johngalt.0@gmail.com>
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I realize these religious zealots exist in
>> any vocation, so it will
>> > > > > not cool my interest in kitfoxes. My sole
>> point is the market sets the
>> > > > > price, not some over zealous evangelist, no
>> matter how well intentioned they
>> > > > > may be.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > RELIGIOUS ZEALOTS...........ZEALOUS
>> EVANGELIST...
>> > > > > I don't think I'll respond anymore to this.
>> No telling what I'll
>> > > > > hear next. Fly alone young man.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Don Smythe
>> > > > >
>> > > > > *
>> > > > > tronics.comics.com
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| Subject: | Re: Is a taildragger dangerousIs a taildragger dangerous |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
Mike,
You are right about the short dirt strips... my apologies. In fact I have
landed on some of those. The Trigear plane has the potential to land shorter
for the same reason it can take off shorter, wing angle. However, on landing
in a TW plane you can get the angle needed to fully stall it, but you will
be touching the tailwheel down first. Not something I like doing on rough
landing spots.
I have no doubt that in the hands of skilled pilot a Tri gear plane can be
landed on some really rough spots, I just think that, in general, a TW plane
is a better platform for that kind of flying.
Rolling the dice?? Well, without the skills and/or without the proper
precautions, sure. But lots of practice in a tamer environment first with
lots of caution and good judgement, off aiport op's can reach an acceptable
level of risk. (note I didn't say safetly, there's no such thing, IMHO) I'm
sure you "drag" your landing spots first, from several directions. Then test
the surface to see how feels. This can go a long way toward minimizing the
risk.
Best Regards,
Cliff
Cliff sez:
>...maingear on the Tri is farther aft, this has the effect of
>raising the front end of the plane farther when the tail is all the
>way down.
You're right Cliff, I hadn't thought about that.
>...who cares if the Tri gear plane can brake harder than the TW
>plane, you could only do it on an improved runway and there isn't
>much need to do so there.
That all depends on what you are landing on. :-) There are lots of
hard-packed dirt runways here in the southwest that are very short.
The question was, though, why would a nose wheel 'fox take off and
land shorter. I simply offered some comments on why that might be
the case. Obviously it has everything to do with the situation and
the pilot's skills.
As for rough field operations, I would say the same is true: it
depends entirely on the situation. I've seen taildraggers ground
loop or flip over as a result of catching a main or two in a rut and
I've seen nose wheel 'foxes land on some impossibly nasty terrain and
vice versa. When you land on unimproved strips you are, in a sense,
rolling the dice.
Mike G.
N728KF
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| Subject: | (off-topic) 9/11 pilots. WAS: Member Terminated |
> From: Brian Smith [bsmith3163@aol.com]
> Jose, I hope that you are not really comparing this guy to the pilots that
> lost their lives in the 9/11 tragedy.
Brian, I know too well Jose to know that it is a regretable misunderstanding, he
was comparing John Galt, not to the actual pilots of the four planes, but to
the terrorists who took over (short-period pilots).
The entire world has nothing but compassion and respect for all the victims of
9/11, pilots, fire-fighters, civilians, and their families.
And the few who don't ... are not worth breathing our air on this planet.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Member Terminated |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
Now, that's what being a good list member is all about. Read something
wrong, make a boo boo and then come back with an apology. Good job Brian.
Don Smythe
Do Not Archive
End of Subject
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Smith" <bsmith3163@aol.com>
> Ops. Then my mistake and my appologies. B.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
Now that all the nasty stuff has left us, let's get back to some serious
Kitfox talk. Does anybody want to buy my Classic IV? I might could have
sold it to a previous list member but I have my limits. I've had 9 request
for information and gave 1 test ride so far.
Going once, Going twice, ------------
Don Smythe
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| Subject: | Re: Grass strips |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Deke, You are absoutly correct !!
Grass is alot easier that paved runways.
It should be part of every flight test.
When i did my priv license almost 26 years ago we trained from pavement but
also nearly every flight did soft field and short field operations.
Luckily we do have a few "licensed " grass strips nearby so I think that
made it legal with insurance regs.
I think it good training to be able to landing narrow strips as well like 40
feet or less. One never knows when a 2 lane road might be your only option
for a forced landing.
Practice will not make perfect but it helps you make good decisions at
critical moments.
Is there really folks that are not flying a Kitfox into grass for this
reason ? I can see if we wer all flying 421's or 310s or a Lear 35 into
grass but a fox not in a grass strip ?
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 7:51 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Grass strips
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>
> Good post Kirk. In my opinion, grass strips are much easier, more
> forgiving, safer, and less apt to cause problems in crosswinds than paved
> strips, especially with tail draggers. If the grass is wet it's even
> better. Nothing daredevil about it. Yet, I've known several people who
> have never landed on one because of hangar stories they've heard. Up here
> in northern Michigan, that eliminates a lot of places to go. Reminds me
> of
> the reasons some folks who won't use air traffic control.
> Deke
> S5 TD
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kirkhull" <kirkhull@sbcglobal.net>
>>
>> I have not landed the fox on grass yet but will as soon as the 40 are
> done.
>> Short strips are no place for test flights but I don't thank that a grass
>> strip is unsafe and would almost argue the other way. I'm pretty sure
> that
>> everyone on the list would consider me safety consensus as I am a former
>> Safety analyst for a major airline, And now in the insurance world
>>
>>
>> --Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger
> McConnell
>> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 5:21 PM
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Is a taildragger dangerousIs a taildragger
>> dangerous
>>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Roger McConnell" <rdmac@swbell.net>
>>
>> Mike,
>> Count me as one that lands 100% on asphalt or better still concrete.
>> Sense I'm still flying the 40 hours off my plane; I haven't had or made
> the
>> push to try grass yet. I have landed on grass and enjoyed it very much,
> just
>> not in the Kitfox. I will some day but sense I'm a "lazy" pilot:) I
> haven't
>> gotten around to it yet. By the way you might consider me, too safety
>> conscious.
>>
>> Roger Mac
>> S7/912s (trigear)
>> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kitfoxmike
>> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 12:04 PM
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Is a taildragger dangerousIs a taildragger
>> dangerous
>>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com>
>>
>> I think we need to have a poll as to how many of us actually land in a
> rough
>> off field. I don't. Currently 100% is ashphalt. Off field, or the
> boonees
>> landing is very risky and I concider most to be extrem flying. Am I the
>> only one that takes safety seriously and determines yes or no to a
>> landing
>> site. Sure some of us are thinking, what if the engine quites. I say,
>> that's not a normal.
>>
>> My definition of extrem is daredevil.
>>
>> --------
>> kitfoxmike
>> kitfox4 1200 912ul speedster
>> http://www.frappr.com/kitfoxmike
>> rv7 wingkit
>> reserved 287RV
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=57025#57025
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| Subject: | Re: Is a taildragger dangerousIs a taildragger dangerous |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Hi Noel,
For legal reasons and ongoing litigation I cannot disclose too much.
I will say it was a single engine landplane flying 1000 agl at cruise when
what seemed like a shotgoun went off in my face.
Windshield cracked and part departed as well as parts of the cowl and
spinner as well as one blade.
I was over a grass strip at the time but opted for a field that had a better
approach and longer.
Landing was un-eventful and plane was dismantled and loaded on trailer.
Luckily this was over a rural area and not over a city. I had just come
from a control zone and enroute to another.
ELT was turned off luckily or it would surely of gone off and then a report
would have to been filed.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 8:22 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Is a taildragger dangerousIs a taildragger
dangerous
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
>
>
> With a prop lost you have to be one of the luckiest guys around. I'm
> curious as to the type of plane and prop that was.... I'm not looking for
> brand names just general info.
>
> Noel
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave
>> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 2:55 PM
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Is a taildragger dangerousIs a
>> taildragger dangerous
>>
>>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
>>
>> I fly off grass 98% on wheels when no snow
>> I fly off 98 % skis when there is no snow and sometimes on
>> just grass with
>> skis.( straight skis only )
>> I fly off water and asphault and grass strips when on amphibs
>> I have practiced forced approaches since I started flying
>> over 25 years ago
>> and have had 4 forced landings.
>> - one engine failure - homebuilt
>> -one carb came loose and engine failed homebuilt
>> -one lost power on TO in 172 and deadstick back to airport
>> - one prop failure ( blade departed) and landed in field
>> with engine just
>> barely attached.
>>
>> all the above -- no damage to landing gear or anything other
>> that the last
>> prop failure where the windshield blew out and firewall got
>> partially torn
>> away from engine shaking around.
>>
>> moral of story is practice certainly helps in realtime.
>>
>> same story for spins -- if you cannot demostrate and be
>> proficient then just
>> a course in "awareness " does not necessarily cut it. How
>> many get killed
>> from stall/spin accidents yearly but only instructors need to
>> train for them
>> ?
>>
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com>
>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 1:03 PM
>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Is a taildragger dangerousIs a taildragger
>> dangerous
>>
>>
>> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kitfoxmike"
>> <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com>
>> >
>> > I think we need to have a poll as to how many of us
>> actually land in a
>> > rough off field. I don't. Currently 100% is ashphalt.
>> Off field, or the
>> > boonees landing is very risky and I concider most to be
>> extrem flying. Am
>> > I the only one that takes safety seriously and determines
>> yes or no to a
>> > landing site. Sure some of us are thinking, what if the
>> engine quites. I
>> > say, that's not a normal.
>> >
>> > My definition of extrem is daredevil.
>> >
>> > --------
>> > kitfoxmike
>> > kitfox4 1200 912ul speedster
>> > http://www.frappr.com/kitfoxmike
>> > rv7 wingkit
>> > reserved 287RV
>> >
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| Subject: | Mechanic near 35A? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
The fuel odor in my kitfox is getting worse. I suspect that it's the fuel lines
so I want to have them replaced with automotive lines. Only problem is that I'm
not the builder so, as I understand it, I'm not allowed to make this kind of
modification myself... Any thoughts?
Can someone point me to a good shop in the near 34A (no FBO at my airport). I need
something close because my pitch trim decided to stop working yesterday (it's
stuck in the landing configuration) so I'm giong to have to trailer it. I'm
so depressed...:-(
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=57217#57217
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| Subject: | Re: Member Terminated |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ted Palamarek" <temco@telusplanet.net>
Brian
I read that to mean the "So called pilots" that took over the plane and then
created the havoc and not the airline pilots.
Ted Palamarek
DO NOT ARCHIVE
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Smith
Sent: August 25, 2006 5:38 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Member Terminated
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brian Smith" <bsmith3163@aol.com>
Jose, I hope that you are not really comparing this guy to the pilots that
lost their lives in the 9/11 tragedy. It was not their "flying judgements"
that caused these events to happen. Being an AA pilot, I lost friends that
day and I walked the platform over the site that only family members were
allowed to go to and there were way too many pictures of lost friends and
family to make this kind of statement lightly.
Brian
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| Subject: | Need help turning a rough field into a nice grass strip |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
I own a bit of rough field that I'd like to turn into a nice grass strip. Anyone
out there have any experience doing this kind of thing? Ive talked to some of
the locals around here that do some grading but its a little out of their range
of experience. Someone suggested that I hire a motor grader but then another
guy pointed out that the first thing they do with a grader is push off all
the topsoil. When theyre done grading, youre left with huge piles of lumpy topsoil
to deal with that wont spread back onto the strip without making it lumpy
again. This route seems like overkill to me. The field is rough but its mostly
level so I was hoping that I could get it smooth without bringing in heavy equipment.
I thought about tilling about six inches and then smoothing it with
my tractor but Im sold that this would make the field to soft to use for years
Any thoughts?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=57223#57223
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| Subject: | Mechanic near 35A? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brian Smith" <bsmith3163@aol.com>
I found this on the EAA website:
"Condition Inspection
What is a Condition Inspection?
A condition inspection is the equivalent of an "annual" for a type
certificated aircraft. Although FAR Part 43 specifically states that it does
not apply to experimental airworthiness certificates, the operating
limitations on your homebuilt will include the following (or something
similar):
No person shall operate this aircraft unless within the preceding 12
calendar months it has had a condition inspection performed in accordance
with the scope and detail of appendix D to part 43, or other FAA-approved
programs, and found to be in a condition for safe operation. This inspection
will be recorded in the aircraft maintenance records. Condition inspections
shall be recorded in the aircraft maintenance records showing the following
or a similarly worded statement: "I certify that this aircraft has been
inspected on (insert date) in accordance with the scope and detail of
appendix D to part 43 and found to be in a condition for safe operation."
The entry will include the aircraft total time in service, and the name,
signature, certificate number, and type of certificate held by the
person performing the inspection.
See the condition inspection checklist for use in conducting annual
condition inspections.
Who can perform a Condition Inspection?
The inspection can be performed by any licensed A&P mechanic, an FAA
Approved Repair Station, or by the builder of the airplane provided the
builder obtains a "Repairman's Certificate" from the FAA. Note that unlike
an annual for a type certificated aircraft, the A&P mechanic does NOT have
to have his/her "Inspection Authorization".
Who can maintain a Homebuilt?
FAR Part 43 specifically states that the rules of that part do not apply to
amateur-built airplanes. Therefore, any maintenance on an experimental
airplane can be performed virtually by anyone regardless of credentials.
(This does not apply to the condition inspection previously discussed). Let
common sense be your guide as to what maintenance you conduct yourself."
The last paragraph holds what I believe to be the answer to your question.
I am new to this type of flying (experimental) so confirm this before you
act on it but I believe the owner may do all maintenance on his experimental
aircraft. If he is listed on the "Repairmans Certificate" then he can even
do the Annual Condition Inspection. If he is not the original builder and
he is not listed on the Repairmans Certificate, then he can not do the
Annual Condition Inspection. He then can have any A&P (one without a
Inspection Authorization is OK) do the annual.
Anyone else know this to be wrong or misleading?
Brian Smith
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of wingnut
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 8:24 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Mechanic near 35A?
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
The fuel odor in my kitfox is getting worse. I suspect that it's the fuel
lines so I want to have them replaced with automotive lines. Only problem is
that I'm not the builder so, as I understand it, I'm not allowed to make
this kind of modification myself... Any thoughts?
Can someone point me to a good shop in the near 34A (no FBO at my airport).
I need something close because my pitch trim decided to stop working
yesterday (it's stuck in the landing configuration) so I'm giong to have to
trailer it. I'm so depressed...:-(
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=57217#57217
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
Living in Northern Ontario means you have access to many off field landing
sites. As part of my basic training (Albeit from a certified Bush Pilot
instructor) some of the first things I learned were how to evaluate the
length and acceptability of any proposed landing site. As we often have to
land on relatively short lakes with high trees etc on the approach I was
taught to arrive high and side slip to landing so that you have plenty of
reserve energy in case of engine problems or for a go around if required.
Probably 80% of my landings are on short grass strips and 10% on various
fields and lakes. In winter I do a lot of ice fishing on remote lakes (skis)
and many of the better fishing sites offer higher levels of difficulty but
as long as you have practiced short field landings and departures I really
don't believe the risk is higher - it's just a matter of practice and
confidence.
That being said if I have any doubts about the suitability of the site ie)
obstacles or soft patches I give it a wide berth. I certainly don't take
risks I just use the attribute of the Kitfox in a way I think they were
designed.
I find myself concentrating a lot more when landing on tarmac than I do
approaching a small grass field.
Regards
Gary Algate
Model 4 /Jab2200
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of john perry
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 9:18 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Is a taildragger dangerousIs a taildragger
dangerous
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "john perry" <eskflyer@lvcisp.com>
If I see a creek bed or river bar or field strip big enough to get in and
out then i try it . That is what these planes are for short field and fun .
when you start talking safety try driving down the freeway and see how safe
you are . use good judgement and if you are secure in your abilities to get
into and out of short rough fields then by all meens DONT TRY IT . But if
you want to experience what the plane can really do then try it , you will
love it .
John flying safe flying low flying slow .
Kitfox 2 N718PD
582
gsc/ivo inflight
soon to be on floats
----- Original Message -----
From: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 12:03 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Is a taildragger dangerousIs a taildragger
dangerous
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com>
>
> I think we need to have a poll as to how many of us actually land in a
> rough off field. I don't. Currently 100% is ashphalt. Off field, or the
> boonees landing is very risky and I concider most to be extrem flying. Am
> I the only one that takes safety seriously and determines yes or no to a
> landing site. Sure some of us are thinking, what if the engine quites. I
> say, that's not a normal.
>
> My definition of extrem is daredevil.
>
> --------
> kitfoxmike
> kitfox4 1200 912ul speedster
> http://www.frappr.com/kitfoxmike
> rv7 wingkit
> reserved 287RV
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=57025#57025
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
> ELT was turned off luckily or it would surely of gone off and then a report would
have to been filed.
Is that such a bad thing?
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| Subject: | Re: Mechanic near 35A? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
Wingnut,
I might be off here but I "think" you can make the changes to your fuel
lines you just can't sign off the yearly conditional inspection. This might
not be the right attitude but nobody is ever going to know you changed the
fuel lines anyway. Besides, I don't think changing a fuel line would be
considered a major change any more than changing oil or spark plugs.
As far as the pitch trim goes, (this is just a thought) fabricate
another piece of linkage or screw the original one in/out to put the trim
tab back to zero and disable the servo until you can get to a spot for
further repairs. I rarely ever use my elevator trim.
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 9:23 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Mechanic near 35A?
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
>
> I want to have them replaced with automotive lines. Only problem is that
> I'm not the builder so, as I understand it, I'm not allowed to make this
> kind of modification myself... Any thoughts?
>
> my pitch trim decided to stop working yesterday (it's stuck in the
> landing configuration) so I'm giong to have to trailer it. I'm so
> depressed...:-(
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| Subject: | Re: Mechanic near 35A? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
> Therefore, any maintenance on an experimental
> airplane can be performed virtually by anyone regardless of credentials.
>
Hmm. That's something to chew on. I guess I'll wait until I can talk to a loca
A&P. Thanks for the heads up.
-Luis
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| Subject: | Re: Mechanic near 35A? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: PWilson <pwmac@sisna.com>
I never heard that the owner of an experimental cannot do his own
maint. or repairs. The only thing you cannot do if you did not build
the plane is the annual inspection. If you are confused about the
rules just ask the EAA and they will tell you what I said above. Just
follow the advice from the list members as to how to solve your leak.
Regards, Paul
============
At 07:23 AM 8/25/2006, you wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
>
>The fuel odor in my kitfox is getting worse. I suspect that it's the
>fuel lines so I want to have them replaced with automotive lines.
>Only problem is that I'm not the builder so, as I understand it, I'm
>not allowed to make this kind of modification myself... Any thoughts?
>
>Can someone point me to a good shop in the near 34A (no FBO at my
>airport). I need something close because my pitch trim decided to
>stop working yesterday (it's stuck in the landing configuration) so
>I'm giong to have to trailer it. I'm so depressed...:-(
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| Subject: | Re: Mechanic near 35A? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
"wingnut":
It is my understanding that you can do the lines
replacement and any other maintenance on your
experimental. What you can't do is to perform or sign
the annual condition inspection because you are not
the repairman.
Listers, if this information is incorrect, please
provide feedback for the benefit of all.
Regards!
Jose
--- wingnut <wingnut@spamarrest.com> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut"
> <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
>
> The fuel odor in my kitfox is getting worse. I
> suspect that it's the fuel lines so I want to have
> them replaced with automotive lines. Only problem is
> that I'm not the builder so, as I understand it, I'm
> not allowed to make this kind of modification
> myself... Any thoughts?
>
> Can someone point me to a good shop in the near 34A
> (no FBO at my airport). I need something close
> because my pitch trim decided to stop working
> yesterday (it's stuck in the landing configuration)
> so I'm giong to have to trailer it. I'm so
> depressed...:-(
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
>
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=57217#57217
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List
>
> Web Forums!
>
>
> Admin.
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: (off-topic) 9/11 pilots. WAS: Member Terminated |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
Brian, Michel and all the listers:
Sorry for the misunderstanding!!! English is not my
first language. Of course, I'm talking about the
terrorists pilot that took control of the planes and
their sick minds. My respect and symphaties to all
the persons that lost family members and close people
that terrible day.
Jose
--- Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> wrote:
> > From: Brian Smith [bsmith3163@aol.com]
> > Jose, I hope that you are not really comparing
> this guy to the pilots that
> > lost their lives in the 9/11 tragedy.
>
> Brian, I know too well Jose to know that it is a
> regretable misunderstanding, he was comparing John
> Galt, not to the actual pilots of the four planes,
> but to the terrorists who took over (short-period
> pilots).
>
> The entire world has nothing but compassion and
> respect for all the victims of 9/11, pilots,
> fire-fighters, civilians, and their families.
> And the few who don't ... are not worth breathing
> our air on this planet.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
> do not archive
>
>
> <pre><b><font size=2 color="#000000" face="courier
> new,courier">
>
>
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
>
>
> Web Forums!
>
>
> Admin.
>
>
>
> </b></font></pre>
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| Subject: | Re: Is a taildragger dangerousIs a taildragger dangerous |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
I changed out a ground adjustable wood prop last year. The company that
manufactured the prop gave it a five year 500 hr. which ever comes first
TBO. The prop was close to 15 yr. Being a coward at heart I decided to opt
for a new composite unit.
That was my reason for asking for a few more particulars.
I have intentionally not mentioned the names of the manufacturers here so
you won't, by accident, compromise any legal actions.
Thanx
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave
> Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 10:51 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Is a taildragger dangerousIs a
> taildragger dangerous
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
>
> Hi Noel,
>
> For legal reasons and ongoing litigation I cannot disclose too much.
> I will say it was a single engine landplane flying 1000 agl
> at cruise when
> what seemed like a shotgoun went off in my face.
> Windshield cracked and part departed as well as parts of the cowl and
> spinner as well as one blade.
>
> I was over a grass strip at the time but opted for a field
> that had a better
> approach and longer.
> Landing was un-eventful and plane was dismantled and loaded
> on trailer.
>
> Luckily this was over a rural area and not over a city. I
> had just come
> from a control zone and enroute to another.
> ELT was turned off luckily or it would surely of gone off and
> then a report
> would have to been filed.
>
> Dave
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 8:22 PM
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Is a taildragger dangerousIs a
> taildragger
> dangerous
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys"
> <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
> >
> >
> > With a prop lost you have to be one of the luckiest guys
> around. I'm
> > curious as to the type of plane and prop that was.... I'm
> not looking for
> > brand names just general info.
> >
> > Noel
> >
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave
> >> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 2:55 PM
> >> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> >> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Is a taildragger dangerousIs a
> >> taildragger dangerous
> >>
> >>
> >> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
> >>
> >> I fly off grass 98% on wheels when no snow
> >> I fly off 98 % skis when there is no snow and sometimes on
> >> just grass with
> >> skis.( straight skis only )
> >> I fly off water and asphault and grass strips when on amphibs
> >> I have practiced forced approaches since I started flying
> >> over 25 years ago
> >> and have had 4 forced landings.
> >> - one engine failure - homebuilt
> >> -one carb came loose and engine failed homebuilt
> >> -one lost power on TO in 172 and deadstick back to airport
> >> - one prop failure ( blade departed) and landed in field
> >> with engine just
> >> barely attached.
> >>
> >> all the above -- no damage to landing gear or anything other
> >> that the last
> >> prop failure where the windshield blew out and firewall got
> >> partially torn
> >> away from engine shaking around.
> >>
> >> moral of story is practice certainly helps in realtime.
> >>
> >> same story for spins -- if you cannot demostrate and be
> >> proficient then just
> >> a course in "awareness " does not necessarily cut it. How
> >> many get killed
> >> from stall/spin accidents yearly but only instructors need to
> >> train for them
> >> ?
> >>
> >>
> >> Dave
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com>
> >> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> >> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 1:03 PM
> >> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Is a taildragger dangerousIs a
> taildragger
> >> dangerous
> >>
> >>
> >> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kitfoxmike"
> >> <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com>
> >> >
> >> > I think we need to have a poll as to how many of us
> >> actually land in a
> >> > rough off field. I don't. Currently 100% is ashphalt.
> >> Off field, or the
> >> > boonees landing is very risky and I concider most to be
> >> extrem flying. Am
> >> > I the only one that takes safety seriously and determines
> >> yes or no to a
> >> > landing site. Sure some of us are thinking, what if the
> >> engine quites. I
> >> > say, that's not a normal.
> >> >
> >> > My definition of extrem is daredevil.
> >> >
> >> > --------
> >> > kitfoxmike
> >> > kitfox4 1200 912ul speedster
> >> > http://www.frappr.com/kitfoxmike
> >> > rv7 wingkit
> >> > reserved 287RV
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Read this topic online here:
> >> >
> >> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=57025#57025
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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| Subject: | Re: Member Terminated |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
Brian:
I sent my apologies for the misunderstanding in a
separate e-mail to the list.
I supposed it should have been terrible for your as a
professional pilot to do your first flight right after
those events. I can imagine the combination of
feelings, memories, and fear you had in your mind on
that first flight. It's so sad America and the World
had to face that experience.
Regards!
Jose
--- Brian Smith <bsmith3163@aol.com> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brian Smith"
> <bsmith3163@aol.com>
>
> Jose, I hope that you are not really comparing this
> guy to the pilots that
> lost their lives in the 9/11 tragedy. It was not
> their "flying judgements"
> that caused these events to happen. Being an AA
> pilot, I lost friends that
> day and I walked the platform over the site that
> only family members were
> allowed to go to and there were way too many
> pictures of lost friends and
> family to make this kind of statement lightly.
>
> Brian
>
> Do Not Archive
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On
> Behalf Of Jose M. Toro
> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 9:44 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Member Terminated
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro"
> --> <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
>
> Don:
>
> Thanks for your decision!!! If this person is
> really a pilot, and his
> flying judgements are similar to his postings, then
> the sky is not anymore
> as safe as it used to be. Any relation with the 911
> pilots???
>
> Jose
>
> --- John Galt <johngalt.0@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Talk about a hypocrite! All the accusations you
> make against me, yet
> > it is your members who are full of hate. Shall I
> repost the other
> > members message who wished me to die because I
> owned a piper cherokee?
> >
> > Mr. Pearsall, you are truly a sick and closed
> minded individial who
> > supports the hate of your membership towards
> anyone who would question
> > the kitfox purple koolaid.
> >
> > And take your head out of your ass. It is people
> like yourself and
> > some of your list that condone the abuse of
> children during their sex
> > vacations in Thailand that sicken me. I will not
> keep your dirty
> > little secret that your list members hold.
> >
> > And not resubscribe to the list? The beauty of the
> internet is that
> > you can change your e-mail address. I will now
> make it my mission to
> > let all know what a sick bunch of preverts invest
> this kitfox list.
> > You truly should be ashamed of yourself.
> >
> >
> >
> > On 8/24/06, Don Pearsall <donpearsall@comcast.net>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Mr.. Galt,
> > > You have been given many chances to be
> supportive
> > and to contribute
> > > positively to the Kitfox forum. We have over 400
> > members who can manage to
> > > do that with no controversy. You have chosen not
> > to do so. Instead you
> > > answer every post with some complaint about a
> > member, and post bizarre
> > > messages such as about child sex in Thailand.
> > >
> > > The last straw is this post where you publicly
> > posted a member's private
> > > message to you. That was a breach of
> > confidentiality that we cannot
> > > tolerate.
> > >
> > > Sorry it did not work out for you, but you are
> > gone. Do not try to
> > > re-subscribe.
> > >
> > > Don Pearsall
> > > List Administrator
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > > *From:* owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:
> > > owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] *On
> Behalf
> > Of *John Galt
> > > *Sent:* Thursday, August 24, 2006 3:25 PM
> > > *To:* Rexster
> > > *Subject:* Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox in Thailand?
> > >
> > >
> > > Mesier Rexster:
> > >
> > > Well, judging by the amount of personal attacks
> I
> > have recieved, including
> > > your e-mail below, it doesn't seem like a
> friendly
> > place... certainly not if
> > > you disagree with anyone or question the
> > collective.
> > >
> > > Still, I bet you do feel better after getting
> that
> > off your chest, so we
> > > might as well share that with everyone.
> Ahhhhh....
> > much better, aye?
> > >
> > >
> > > On 8/24/06, Rexster <runwayrex@juno.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > John,
> > > >
> > > > You're an interesting fellow. I'm curious
> > about what your history is.
> > > > Try to understand that I'm not getting on your
> > case, but trying to
> > > > understand you. It seems that all you want to
> do
> > on the forum is argue and
> > > > fight with people on what for the rest of us,
> is
> > a friendly chat place. I'm
> > > > sure that this lack of people skills transfers
> > into the rest of your life
> > > > and you probably have very few friends, if
> any.
> > That's sad for someone to go
> > > > through life like that. I'm surprised from the
> > many people on the forum that
> > > > are appalled by your comments that you
> continue
> > to be nasty with almost all
> > > > of your emails to the forum.
> > > >
> > > > Out of curiosity, there's a fellow from my
> > high school graduating
> > > > class who has completely alienated himself
> from
> > the rest of the class with a
> > > > similar attitude. Everybody shakes their heads
> > in amazement at how nasty he
> > > > is and why he chooses that lifestyle. It's sad
> > to see him so miserable.
> > > > There's no way to ask him as he's even less
> > approachable than you are (I
> > > > think). We feel badly for him and the
> lifestyle
> > he chooses as I actually
> > > > liked him during high school. We're all trying
> > to figure out what makes him
> > > > like that. The rest of us have had so much fun
> > getting together and enjoying
> > > > emails with each other over the years. Why
> would
> > he choose to constantly be
> > > > digging up things to argue about? You seem a
> bit
> > more talkative so maybe you
> > > > can give me some insight. Life is too short to
> > be like that.
> > > >
> > > > One more question. I've noticed that both of
> > you guys like to use long
> > > > words that don't seem to come up in most
> > people's conversations. I don't
> > > > save any of the forum emails if they're not
> > pertaining to Kitfoxes so I
> > > > don't have examples to give you. The only one
> I
> > remember (zealots)isn't that
> > > > uncommon but you do tend to use pretty big
> and
> > uncommon terms. The fellow
> > > > from my high school class does the same thing.
> > Any ideas here?
> > > >
> > > > I doubt that at this stage in your life that
> > we'd be able to help you
> > > > be a happier person, but my guess would be
> that
> > if you talked to people on
> > > > the forum with in a friendlier manner that
> you'd
> > be more welcome. Keep in
> > > > mind that I'm not trying to make you feel bad,
> I
> > would just like to
> > > > understand what makes you seem to enjoy
> haggling
> > with people. Life can be so
> > > > much more fun if you make friends instead.
> > > >
> > > > Please note that I'm sending this to you
> > personally and not the entire
> > > > Kitfox forum. Let's keep the personal stuff
> off
> > of there. Good luck to you
> > > > and I hope things get better for you.
> > > >
> > > > Rex in Michigan
> > > >
> > > > ---------- Forwarded Message ----------
> > > > Guess you'll be quick to sell it with that
> > attitude.
> > > >
> > > > On 8/24/06, Noel Loveys <noelloveys@yahoo.ca >
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Not even warm!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Noel
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > *From:*
> owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:
> > > > > owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] *On
> > Behalf Of *John Galt
> > > > > *Sent:* Thursday, August 24, 2006 12:35 AM
> > > > > *To:* kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > > > > *Subject:* Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox in
> > Thailand?
> > > > >
> > > > > Yeap, the other poster did not like my
> > comment that it is a buyers
> > > > > market out there, let alone for
> experimentals.
> > Big money? You mean in the
> > > > > $14K range?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 8/23/06, Noel Loveys <
> noelloveys@yahoo.ca
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Consider that some people, I'm one, who
> > didn't figure out your
> > > > > > original comment in relation pricing a
> > plane. Consider also the ire, make
> > > > > > that blind rage, the words "child sex
> > trade", would invoke!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Maybe it's time to close the book on this
> > one.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You can buy my model III-A 582"B" box w/
> Ivo
> > in flight three blade
> > > > > > UL Aerocet floats and straight skis wheels
> > if you want 'em..... Bring
> > > > > > money..... Big MONEY!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Noel
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > *From:*
> > owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> > > > > > owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]
> *On
> > Behalf Of *John Galt
> > > > > > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 23, 2006 10:16
> PM
> > > > > > *To:* kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > > > > > *Subject:* Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox in
> > Thailand?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Gosh Rex, is it permissable to you if I
> > look for Kitfoxes to buy or
> > > > > > is even that frowned upon by the list
> > crumogeons on here? Too bad you were
> > > > > > not reading the thread, you would have
> > figured out what I was talking
> > > > > > about. I was objecting to the list zealots
> > attacking a man (not me) for
> > > > > > "pricing his kitfox too low". If anyone
> > needs counseling, it is them. Or
> > > > > > perhaps a one way ticket to Thailand.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 8/23/06, Rexster <runwayrex@juno.com
> >
> > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > John Galt,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Have you checked into some good
> counseling
> > in your area? Nobody on
> > > > > > this list seems to have a clue how you
> have
> > connected Kifox flyers with sex
> > > > > > trade and/or religious zealots. I would
> > guess that this issue isn't the only
> > > > > > termoil you have going on in your head.
> > Please stay off of this forum unless
> > > > > > you're here for the intended purpose.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Rex in Michigan
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -- "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net> wrote:
> > > > > > *From:* John Galt <johngalt.0@gmail.com>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I realize these religious zealots exist in
> > any vocation, so it will
> > > > > > not cool my interest in kitfoxes. My sole
> > point is the market sets the
> > > > > > price, not some over zealous evangelist,
> no
> > matter how well intentioned they
> > > > > > may be.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > RELIGIOUS ZEALOTS...........ZEALOUS
> > EVANGELIST...
> > > > > > I don't think I'll respond anymore to
> this.
> > No telling what I'll
> > > > > > hear next. Fly alone young man.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Don Smythe
> > > > > >
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brian Smith" <bsmith3163@aol.com>
No problems. I guess that I am a little punchy in the morning. Good day
and good flying. B.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jose M. Toro
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 9:22 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Member Terminated
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro"
--> <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
Brian:
I sent my apologies for the misunderstanding in a separate e-mail to the
list.
I supposed it should have been terrible for your as a professional pilot to
do your first flight right after those events. I can imagine the
combination of feelings, memories, and fear you had in your mind on that
first flight. It's so sad America and the World had to face that
experience.
Regards!
Jose
--- Brian Smith <bsmith3163@aol.com> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brian Smith"
> <bsmith3163@aol.com>
>
> Jose, I hope that you are not really comparing this guy to the pilots
> that lost their lives in the 9/11 tragedy. It was not their "flying
> judgements"
> that caused these events to happen. Being an AA pilot, I lost friends
> that day and I walked the platform over the site that only family
> members were allowed to go to and there were way too many pictures of
> lost friends and family to make this kind of statement lightly.
>
> Brian
>
> Do Not Archive
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jose M.
> Toro
> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 9:44 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Member Terminated
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro"
> --> <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
>
> Don:
>
> Thanks for your decision!!! If this person is really a pilot, and his
> flying judgements are similar to his postings, then the sky is not
> anymore as safe as it used to be. Any relation with the 911 pilots???
>
> Jose
>
> --- John Galt <johngalt.0@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Talk about a hypocrite! All the accusations you
> make against me, yet
> > it is your members who are full of hate. Shall I
> repost the other
> > members message who wished me to die because I
> owned a piper cherokee?
> >
> > Mr. Pearsall, you are truly a sick and closed
> minded individial who
> > supports the hate of your membership towards
> anyone who would question
> > the kitfox purple koolaid.
> >
> > And take your head out of your ass. It is people
> like yourself and
> > some of your list that condone the abuse of
> children during their sex
> > vacations in Thailand that sicken me. I will not
> keep your dirty
> > little secret that your list members hold.
> >
> > And not resubscribe to the list? The beauty of the
> internet is that
> > you can change your e-mail address. I will now
> make it my mission to
> > let all know what a sick bunch of preverts invest
> this kitfox list.
> > You truly should be ashamed of yourself.
> >
> >
> >
> > On 8/24/06, Don Pearsall <donpearsall@comcast.net>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Mr.. Galt,
> > > You have been given many chances to be
> supportive
> > and to contribute
> > > positively to the Kitfox forum. We have over 400
> > members who can manage to
> > > do that with no controversy. You have chosen not
> > to do so. Instead you
> > > answer every post with some complaint about a
> > member, and post bizarre
> > > messages such as about child sex in Thailand.
> > >
> > > The last straw is this post where you publicly
> > posted a member's private
> > > message to you. That was a breach of
> > confidentiality that we cannot
> > > tolerate.
> > >
> > > Sorry it did not work out for you, but you are
> > gone. Do not try to
> > > re-subscribe.
> > >
> > > Don Pearsall
> > > List Administrator
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > > *From:* owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:
> > > owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] *On
> Behalf
> > Of *John Galt
> > > *Sent:* Thursday, August 24, 2006 3:25 PM
> > > *To:* Rexster
> > > *Subject:* Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox in Thailand?
> > >
> > >
> > > Mesier Rexster:
> > >
> > > Well, judging by the amount of personal attacks
> I
> > have recieved, including
> > > your e-mail below, it doesn't seem like a
> friendly
> > place... certainly not if
> > > you disagree with anyone or question the
> > collective.
> > >
> > > Still, I bet you do feel better after getting
> that
> > off your chest, so we
> > > might as well share that with everyone.
> Ahhhhh....
> > much better, aye?
> > >
> > >
> > > On 8/24/06, Rexster <runwayrex@juno.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > John,
> > > >
> > > > You're an interesting fellow. I'm curious
> > about what your history is.
> > > > Try to understand that I'm not getting on your
> > case, but trying to
> > > > understand you. It seems that all you want to
> do
> > on the forum is argue and
> > > > fight with people on what for the rest of us,
> is
> > a friendly chat place. I'm
> > > > sure that this lack of people skills transfers
> > into the rest of your life
> > > > and you probably have very few friends, if
> any.
> > That's sad for someone to go
> > > > through life like that. I'm surprised from the
> > many people on the forum that
> > > > are appalled by your comments that you
> continue
> > to be nasty with almost all
> > > > of your emails to the forum.
> > > >
> > > > Out of curiosity, there's a fellow from my
> > high school graduating
> > > > class who has completely alienated himself
> from
> > the rest of the class with a
> > > > similar attitude. Everybody shakes their heads
> > in amazement at how nasty he
> > > > is and why he chooses that lifestyle. It's sad
> > to see him so miserable.
> > > > There's no way to ask him as he's even less
> > approachable than you are (I
> > > > think). We feel badly for him and the
> lifestyle
> > he chooses as I actually
> > > > liked him during high school. We're all trying
> > to figure out what makes him
> > > > like that. The rest of us have had so much fun
> > getting together and enjoying
> > > > emails with each other over the years. Why
> would
> > he choose to constantly be
> > > > digging up things to argue about? You seem a
> bit
> > more talkative so maybe you
> > > > can give me some insight. Life is too short to
> > be like that.
> > > >
> > > > One more question. I've noticed that both of
> > you guys like to use long
> > > > words that don't seem to come up in most
> > people's conversations. I don't
> > > > save any of the forum emails if they're not
> > pertaining to Kitfoxes so I
> > > > don't have examples to give you. The only one
> I
> > remember (zealots)isn't that
> > > > uncommon but you do tend to use pretty big
> and
> > uncommon terms. The fellow
> > > > from my high school class does the same thing.
> > Any ideas here?
> > > >
> > > > I doubt that at this stage in your life that
> > we'd be able to help you
> > > > be a happier person, but my guess would be
> that
> > if you talked to people on
> > > > the forum with in a friendlier manner that
> you'd
> > be more welcome. Keep in
> > > > mind that I'm not trying to make you feel bad,
> I
> > would just like to
> > > > understand what makes you seem to enjoy
> haggling
> > with people. Life can be so
> > > > much more fun if you make friends instead.
> > > >
> > > > Please note that I'm sending this to you
> > personally and not the entire
> > > > Kitfox forum. Let's keep the personal stuff
> off
> > of there. Good luck to you
> > > > and I hope things get better for you.
> > > >
> > > > Rex in Michigan
> > > >
> > > > ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Guess you'll be quick to
> > > > sell it with that
> > attitude.
> > > >
> > > > On 8/24/06, Noel Loveys <noelloveys@yahoo.ca >
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Not even warm!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Noel
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > *From:*
> owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:
> > > > > owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] *On
> > Behalf Of *John Galt
> > > > > *Sent:* Thursday, August 24, 2006 12:35 AM
> > > > > *To:* kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > > > > *Subject:* Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox in
> > Thailand?
> > > > >
> > > > > Yeap, the other poster did not like my
> > comment that it is a buyers
> > > > > market out there, let alone for
> experimentals.
> > Big money? You mean in the
> > > > > $14K range?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 8/23/06, Noel Loveys <
> noelloveys@yahoo.ca
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Consider that some people, I'm one, who
> > didn't figure out your
> > > > > > original comment in relation pricing a
> > plane. Consider also the ire, make
> > > > > > that blind rage, the words "child sex
> > trade", would invoke!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Maybe it's time to close the book on this
> > one.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You can buy my model III-A 582"B" box w/
> Ivo
> > in flight three blade
> > > > > > UL Aerocet floats and straight skis wheels
> > if you want 'em..... Bring
> > > > > > money..... Big MONEY!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Noel
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > *From:*
> > owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> > > > > > owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]
> *On
> > Behalf Of *John Galt
> > > > > > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 23, 2006 10:16
> PM
> > > > > > *To:* kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > > > > > *Subject:* Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox in
> > Thailand?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Gosh Rex, is it permissable to you if I
> > look for Kitfoxes to buy or
> > > > > > is even that frowned upon by the list
> > crumogeons on here? Too bad you were
> > > > > > not reading the thread, you would have
> > figured out what I was talking
> > > > > > about. I was objecting to the list zealots
> > attacking a man (not me) for
> > > > > > "pricing his kitfox too low". If anyone
> > needs counseling, it is them. Or
> > > > > > perhaps a one way ticket to Thailand.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 8/23/06, Rexster <runwayrex@juno.com
> >
> > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > John Galt,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Have you checked into some good
> counseling
> > in your area? Nobody on
> > > > > > this list seems to have a clue how you
> have
> > connected Kifox flyers with sex
> > > > > > trade and/or religious zealots. I would
> > guess that this issue isn't the only
> > > > > > termoil you have going on in your head.
> > Please stay off of this forum unless
> > > > > > you're here for the intended purpose.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Rex in Michigan
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -- "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net> wrote:
> > > > > > *From:* John Galt <johngalt.0@gmail.com>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I realize these religious zealots exist in
> > any vocation, so it will
> > > > > > not cool my interest in kitfoxes. My sole
> > point is the market sets the
> > > > > > price, not some over zealous evangelist,
> no
> > matter how well intentioned they
> > > > > > may be.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > RELIGIOUS ZEALOTS...........ZEALOUS
> > EVANGELIST...
> > > > > > I don't think I'll respond anymore to
> this.
> > No telling what I'll
> > > > > > hear next. Fly alone young man.
> > > > > >
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| Subject: | Need help turning a rough field into a nice grass strip |
I think a lot depends on climate and drainage. In N.Ontario most of the
privately developed strips are mounded so that during the thaw the strip
remains dry and useable in Spring. Even in the clay based soils this
still works - they basically move the soil to the centre if the strip
and then roll it to contour the desired run off. Once seeded they
continue to roll and after about two years they are perfect and useable
year round.
I have attached a photo of our strip and as you can see the approach is
interesting as you fly between two telephone poles on final (The wire
goes underground) but passengers can find this a little disconcerting
Gary Algate
Model 4
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of wingnut
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 9:50 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Need help turning a rough field into a nice grass
strip
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
I own a bit of rough field that I'd like to turn into a nice grass
strip. Anyone out there have any experience doing this kind of thing?
I=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2ve talked to some of the locals around here
that do some grading but it=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2s a little out of
their range of experience. Someone suggested that I hire a motor grader
but then another guy pointed out that the first thing they do with a
grader is push off all the topsoil. When they=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2re
done grading, you=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2re left with huge piles of
lumpy topsoil to deal with that won=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2t spread back
onto the strip without making it lumpy again. This route seems like
overkill to me. The field is rough but it=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2s
mostly level so I was hoping that I could get it smooth without bringing
in heavy equipment. I thought about tilling about six inches and then
smoothing it with my tractor but I=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2m sold that
this would make the field to soft to use for years=C3=A2=82=AC=C2
Any thoughts?
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| Subject: | Re: Need help turning a rough field into a nice grass strip |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com>
Looks like a very nice strip.
--------
kitfoxmike
kitfox4 1200 912ul speedster
http://www.frappr.com/kitfoxmike
rv7 wingkit
reserved 287RV
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| Subject: | Re: Member Terminated |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com>
Like most others I to didn't follow the thai thread until now. I just read through
it and was amazed on how it progressed. I can only say that this guy must
have something agains anybody that chooses to go into Thailand period. Anyway,
glad the guy is gone, seemed to have a loose screw.
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kitfox4 1200 912ul speedster
http://www.frappr.com/kitfoxmike
rv7 wingkit
reserved 287RV
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| Subject: | Re: Member Terminated |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
This is another case where the use of a phrase that is close to the humanity
of every one can cause an immediate ire. This is especially true if there
is any question at all in the readers mind there may be a distasteful
comment being made...
Just another case of "Open mouth - change feet"
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Ted Palamarek
> Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 11:15 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Member Terminated
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ted Palamarek"
> <temco@telusplanet.net>
>
> Brian
>
> I read that to mean the "So called pilots" that took over the
> plane and then
> created the havoc and not the airline pilots.
>
> Ted Palamarek
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Brian Smith
> Sent: August 25, 2006 5:38 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Member Terminated
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brian Smith" <bsmith3163@aol.com>
>
> Jose, I hope that you are not really comparing this guy to
> the pilots that
> lost their lives in the 9/11 tragedy. It was not their
> "flying judgements"
> that caused these events to happen. Being an AA pilot, I
> lost friends that
> day and I walked the platform over the site that only family
> members were
> allowed to go to and there were way too many pictures of lost
> friends and
> family to make this kind of statement lightly.
>
> Brian
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Need help turning a rough field into a nice grass strip |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
> they basically move the soil to the centre if the strip and then roll it to contour
the desired run off.
Don't have to worry about a thaw in SC but runoff from rain is an issue. When they
push the soil to the middle, do they scrape off the topsoil first? I was told
that once you dig up top soil, it has to be discarded because the grass roots
make it impossible to smooth out.
> Once seeded they continue to roll and after about two years they are perfect
and useable year round
So you couldn't use the field for two years?
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i would appreciate a poll of who has what engines that are currently
flying and how many actually have nose and tail wheels.
thanks,
mas
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| Subject: | Re: Need help turning a rough field into a nice grass strip |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
If you want a good strip plow it, disk it, drag it, plant it, and once the
grass is doing well, roll it. If you have access to a grader, crown it
slightly between disking and dragging.
Keep that top soil. Most of the work you can do yourself if you have the
tractor, etc.
Mine is just a hay field that was in pretty good shape so I just mowed and
rolled it.
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 9:49 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Need help turning a rough field into a nice grass
strip
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
>
> I own a bit of rough field that I'd like to turn into a nice grass strip.
Anyone out there have any experience doing this kind of thing? I?Tve talked
to some of the locals around here that do some grading but it?Ts a little
out of their range of experience. Someone suggested that I hire a motor
grader but then another guy pointed out that the first thing they do with a
grader is push off all the topsoil. When they?Tre done grading, you?Tre
left with huge piles of lumpy topsoil to deal with that won?Tt spread back
onto the strip without making it lumpy again. This route seems like overkill
to me. The field is rough but it?Ts mostly level so I was hoping that I
could get it smooth without bringing in heavy equipment. I thought about
tilling about six inches and then smoothing it with my tractor but I?Tm
sold that this would make the field to soft to use for years? Any
thoughts?
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=57223#57223
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| Subject: | Re: Member Terminated |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
You are absolutely right Noel!
Jose
--- Noel Loveys <noelloveys@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys"
> <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
>
> This is another case where the use of a phrase that
> is close to the humanity
> of every one can cause an immediate ire. This is
> especially true if there
> is any question at all in the readers mind there may
> be a distasteful
> comment being made...
>
> Just another case of "Open mouth - change feet"
>
> Noel
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On
> Behalf Of
> > Ted Palamarek
> > Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 11:15 AM
> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Member Terminated
> >
> >
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ted
> Palamarek"
> > <temco@telusplanet.net>
> >
> > Brian
> >
> > I read that to mean the "So called pilots" that
> took over the
> > plane and then
> > created the havoc and not the airline pilots.
> >
> > Ted Palamarek
> >
> > DO NOT ARCHIVE
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On
> Behalf Of
> > Brian Smith
> > Sent: August 25, 2006 5:38 AM
> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Member Terminated
> >
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Brian Smith"
> <bsmith3163@aol.com>
> >
> > Jose, I hope that you are not really comparing
> this guy to
> > the pilots that
> > lost their lives in the 9/11 tragedy. It was not
> their
> > "flying judgements"
> > that caused these events to happen. Being an AA
> pilot, I
> > lost friends that
> > day and I walked the platform over the site that
> only family
> > members were
> > allowed to go to and there were way too many
> pictures of lost
> > friends and
> > family to make this kind of statement lightly.
> >
> > Brian
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List
>
> Web Forums!
>
>
> Admin.
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Mechanic near 35A? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
Luis:
Another source for this information is the EAA web
site, www.eaa.org. I know this specific question is
answered in that site.
Jose
--- wingnut <wingnut@spamarrest.com> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut"
> <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
>
>
> > Therefore, any maintenance on an experimental
> > airplane can be performed virtually by anyone
> regardless of credentials.
> >
>
>
> Hmm. That's something to chew on. I guess I'll wait
> until I can talk to a loca A&P. Thanks for the heads
> up.
>
> -Luis
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
>
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=57228#57228
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List
>
> Web Forums!
>
>
> Admin.
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: FLOAT PLANE GROUP: CZECH FLOATS |
Actually, Chip Erwin posted on the Zenith list this week stating that CZAW
has developed a new series of floats that are not derived from the Zenair
series.
-John in Seattle ( 27 years old, but building a CH701 )
On 8/24/06, Malcolmbru@aol.com <Malcolmbru@aol.com> wrote:
>
> the check floats are the old zenair beefed up they where available as a
> kit at one time I am building a set now Murphy in Canada still makes a set
> as a kit about $6,000
> mal modil 2 582
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
--
John Marzulli
http://701Builder.blogspot.com/
"Flying a plane is no different than riding a bicycle... it's just a lot
harder to put baseball cards in the spokes.
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| Subject: | Re: Need help turning a rough field into a nice grass |
strip
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Hi,
I have 2 strips here.
One I cultivated and harrowed and seeded in fall and picked stones on every
walk down it .
Other one was in wheat with clover. In the fall, I ran the bush hog over it
and chopped it all up and then ran plug aeroator down it and overseeded and
the grass is good.
It is not as smooth as the one I first mentioned but it still better than
alot of grass strips and i get guys in with amphibs and they usualy comment
how smooth it is. .
I cut with a finished mower with a roller on the back and it gets better
every year. Worst time is on a dry year and the roller has little impact
except in spring.
And it does not hurt to keep grass a bit longer like 2 to 3 inches and get
lot of mulch on it from clippings to shelter the ground from evaporation of
the soil.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 10:58 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Need help turning a rough field into a nice grass
strip
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
>
>
>> they basically move the soil to the centre if the strip and then roll it
>> to contour the desired run off.
>
>
> Don't have to worry about a thaw in SC but runoff from rain is an issue.
> When they push the soil to the middle, do they scrape off the topsoil
> first? I was told that once you dig up top soil, it has to be discarded
> because the grass roots make it impossible to smooth out.
>
>
>> Once seeded they continue to roll and after about two years they are
>> perfect and useable year round
>
>
> So you couldn't use the field for two years?
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=57250#57250
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Need help turning a rough field into a nice grass strip |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
Deke:
What did you roll your field with? Was it one of those heavy duty jobs that you
drive?
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| Subject: | (off-topic) Amsterdam-Schiphol intercept |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
As you probably know, two days ago a Northwest airliner had to return
to Amsterdam - Schiphol, escorted by two Dutch F-16.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/08/23/schiphol/index.html
Here is the sound file of the communication between the pilots and
controllers:
http://home.online.no/~michel/tmp/Intercept.wav
Cheers,
Michel
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Mechanic near 35A? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
Thanks for the help guys. To be honest, I'm still a little nervous about pulling
fuel lines myself. I pulled the turtledeck last night and it looked like a somewhat
involved job. I just happened to discover the trim failure the same night
(maybe that was God's way of telling me to get an A&P :-) ). Then again,
it was night and the hangar lights weren't as helpfull as I would have liked.
I'll sneek out for lunch today and see if things look a little less scary in
daylight...
What's the best way to drain the fuel? Should I leave a little in the header tank?
-Luis
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| Subject: | Re: literary references |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Galt" <johngalt.0@gmail.com>
Marco:
I suspect this was lost on most of the list members, but very good find.
I wish you well and you are a credit to this list.
Regards,
John
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox for sale |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Galt" <johngalt.0@gmail.com>
Hey Don:
Do you have a weblink for your plane? Still a bit rich for my blood, but moving
in the right direction. I'm a cash buyer. Don't let the price fixers get you
down, it is the market that sets the price.
Regards,
John
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
On Aug 25, 2006, at 5:08 PM, MA Stanard wrote:
> i would appreciate a poll of who has what engines that are currently
> flying and how many actually have nose and tail wheels.
The proper way to do this is to go to the forum:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewforum.php?f=8
and start a new poll. But before that, one has to list all Kitfox
models and all engine types. I am not sure I can do that. Anyone else?
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Need help turning a rough field into a nice grass |
strip
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
Sorry for clarity of post. No the field can be basically used immediately
it's just that it improves year by year with rolling and mowing etc
Gary Algate
So you couldn't use the field for two years?
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| Subject: | Re: Need help turning a rough field into a nice grass |
strip
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Just for clarification .
I do not know why you would want to remove topsoil at all.
You want to plant into the topsoil.
If you are going to be raising the runway above the current level , then by
all means remove the top soil and use after your leveling and filling has
been done.
If you plant this fall you can fly off it when dry but it would be better to
wait for the grass to at least germinate so that you do not blow the loose
dirt and seed around.
You might also check into renting a brillion seeder which is a seed drill
for grass.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 10:58 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Need help turning a rough field into a nice grass
strip
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
>
>
>> they basically move the soil to the centre if the strip and then roll it
>> to contour the desired run off.
>
>
> Don't have to worry about a thaw in SC but runoff from rain is an issue.
> When they push the soil to the middle, do they scrape off the topsoil
> first? I was told that once you dig up top soil, it has to be discarded
> because the grass roots make it impossible to smooth out.
>
>
>> Once seeded they continue to roll and after about two years they are
>> perfect and useable year round
>
>
> So you couldn't use the field for two years?
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=57250#57250
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
Probably not, I'd half bet there's one flying somewhere with a Briggs and
Stratton. But it should be possible to list the majors, with a spot for
"other".
Bigs ones would be Rotax 912, 532, 582, Subaru, Jabiru. That likely covers
more than 95%.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel Verheughe" <michel@online.no>
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 1:48 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Poll
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
> On Aug 25, 2006, at 5:08 PM, MA Stanard wrote:
>> i would appreciate a poll of who has what engines that are currently
>> flying and how many actually have nose and tail wheels.
>
> The proper way to do this is to go to the forum:
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewforum.php?f=8
>
> and start a new poll. But before that, one has to list all Kitfox models
> and all engine types. I am not sure I can do that. Anyone else?
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
>
>
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Model II with 582 bluehead and a tailwheel.
Mike C.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of MA Stanard
Sent: August 25, 2006 11:08 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List:
i would appreciate a poll of who has what engines that are currently
flying and how many actually have nose and tail wheels.
thanks,
mas
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
> On Aug 25, 2006, at 5:08 PM, MA Stanard wrote:
>> i would appreciate a poll of who has what engines that are currently
>> flying and how many actually have nose and tail wheels.
>
I'm guessing none have nose and tail wheels, most people will manage to
choose one or the other. I have seen a picture of one with floats and a tail
wheel.
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| Subject: | Re: Grass strips |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Speaking of grass strips, Deke, what're the dimensions for yours and
the headings? Easier to get in and out than Howland?
Lynn
do not archive
On Friday, August 25, 2006, at 07:51 AM, Fox5flyer wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer"
> <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>
> Good post Kirk. In my opinion, grass strips are much easier, more
> forgiving, safer, and less apt to cause problems in crosswinds than
> paved
> strips, especially with tail draggers. If the grass is wet it's even
> better. Nothing daredevil about it. Yet, I've known several people
> who
> have never landed on one because of hangar stories they've heard. Up
> here
> in northern Michigan, that eliminates a lot of places to go. Reminds
> me of
> the reasons some folks who won't use air traffic control.
> Deke
> S5 TD
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kirkhull" <kirkhull@sbcglobal.net>
>>
>> I have not landed the fox on grass yet but will as soon as the 40 are
> done.
>> Short strips are no place for test flights but I don't thank that a
>> grass
>> strip is unsafe and would almost argue the other way. I'm pretty sure
> that
>> everyone on the list would consider me safety consensus as I am a
>> former
>> Safety analyst for a major airline, And now in the insurance world
>>
>>
>> --Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger
> McConnell
>> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 5:21 PM
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Is a taildragger dangerousIs a
>> taildragger
>> dangerous
>>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Roger McConnell"
>> <rdmac@swbell.net>
>>
>> Mike,
>> Count me as one that lands 100% on asphalt or better still concrete.
>> Sense I'm still flying the 40 hours off my plane; I haven't had or
>> made
> the
>> push to try grass yet. I have landed on grass and enjoyed it very
>> much,
> just
>> not in the Kitfox. I will some day but sense I'm a "lazy" pilot:) I
> haven't
>> gotten around to it yet. By the way you might consider me, too safety
>> conscious.
>>
>> Roger Mac
>> S7/912s (trigear)
>> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>> kitfoxmike
>> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 12:04 PM
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Is a taildragger dangerousIs a taildragger
>> dangerous
>>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com>
>>
>> I think we need to have a poll as to how many of us actually land in a
> rough
>> off field. I don't. Currently 100% is ashphalt. Off field, or the
> boonees
>> landing is very risky and I concider most to be extrem flying. Am I
>> the
>> only one that takes safety seriously and determines yes or no to a
>> landing
>> site. Sure some of us are thinking, what if the engine quites. I
>> say,
>> that's not a normal.
>>
>> My definition of extrem is daredevil.
>>
>> --------
>> kitfoxmike
>> kitfox4 1200 912ul speedster
>> http://www.frappr.com/kitfoxmike
>> rv7 wingkit
>> reserved 287RV
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=57025#57025
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: (off topic) The experience of sailing. WAS: Is a taildragger |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Richard Rabbers" <rira1950@yahoo.com>
> Michel sez > It is a common concept that the wind "hits harder" in the winter
but it is attributed to the general discomfort of feeling a cold wind, which
indeed feels "harder."
Michel,
I don't have an anemometer either. I was recalling a trip I made and... It was
probably my skin that was becoming harder as well as an icy crust on things and
frozen knots, etc. I always wondered how those northern sailors managed. I
don't want to know more. I'll do my best to avoid extreme cold while sailing.
I've not flown much in winter yet. I'd imagine that it's more difficult to carry
out 'normal' preparation for flight, etc. I've pretty much decided I'll begin
my KF flying in warmer months.
My last miserable sail (I pulled into the first port I could manage after the weather
turned cold... not quite like punching up 'nearest airport on the GPS)
was when I was sailing solo, going west 'around the horn' which I know considet
to be going up and around Michigan's Lower Peninsula too late in the year. The
wind speed continued to climb and it got colder and colder. I could hear on
the radio that freighters were prepping to 'hove-to' in sheltered water behind
islands in the straights... It started snowing. I finally made the harbor of
Cheboygan about 3 am.
I found out later that I had experienced the western edge of 'The Perfect Storm'.
This was in November 2001.
Other aspects of sailing that relate to flying are - preparation, planning, self
sufficiency, and also confidence building based on experience.
This shift in topic came from a comment by Dick, about kayaking and rudder peddle
experience.
I agree...... there are many experiences and many areas of knowledge that are related
to or can be applied to flight, working on, building planes, etc.
There is a wealth of knowledge represented by this group and its a pleasure to
continue to learn by participating.
Thanks to all!
Richard
PS - on the topic of dangerous configuration or risk, as experienced in float training,
and, anticipated in the future... I will feel very much at home on floats.
Do not achive
--------
Richard in SW Michigan
Model 1 / 618 - full-lotus floats (restoration)
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| Subject: | Re: Need help turning a rough field into a nice grass strip |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
> I do not know why you would want to remove topsoil at all.
I don't. I was informed by a local company that this is what they would have to
do to get it smooth. Their explanation is that, if they didn't, any dirt they
moved that had grass roots in it would be lumpy and they couldn't smooth it out.
I didn't like the idea myself but these guys are not experienced with runways.
> I cut with a finished mower with a roller on the back and it gets better every
year.
Are you talking about one of those big barrels that you fill with water? How did
you attach it to the mower deck? I was thinking I'd need to pick up one of those
but I wasn't sure how effective they were.
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i too had a fuel odor for a time and also couldn't determine the source. it ended
up being from stress cracks at the formed ends near the welds of the aluminum
wing fuel tanks. the cracks were so small that only minor discoloration from
fuel occurred, but you still got the odor in the cockpit from the wing roots.
the cracks were fortunately near the top of the tank and there was never any
measurable loss of fuel. (of couse, lighting up a cigarette in the closed cabin
would've been interesting) flying with the doors opened eliminated the odor
and kept me flying til time for the annual inspection, at which time the wings
were removed and slosh seal installed in both tanks. problem solved. finding
the problem took a lot of looking, smelling and shaking of the plane with
all the cowlings off and everything opened up for inspection. the stress cracks
only appeared in one tank, but i sealed them both just to be sure.
wingnut <wingnut@spamarrest.com> wrote: --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut"
The fuel odor in my kitfox is getting worse. I suspect that it's the fuel lines
so I want to have them replaced with automotive lines. Only problem is that I'm
not the builder so, as I understand it, I'm not allowed to make this kind of
modification myself... Any thoughts?
Can someone point me to a good shop in the near 34A (no FBO at my airport). I need
something close because my pitch trim decided to stop working yesterday (it's
stuck in the landing configuration) so I'm giong to have to trailer it. I'm
so depressed...:-(
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Michel" <michel@online.no>
Please, select which Kitfox model you have, which engine and if a tri-gear or tail-dragger.
Thank you,
Michel
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Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com>
this poll only lets you pick one entry.
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kitfox4 1200 912ul speedster
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Michel" <michel@online.no>
Here, we are listing the engines commonly used on Kitfoxes. Please select your
engine. Thanks,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Michel" <michel@online.no>
Finally, do you have a tri-gear or tail-dragger?
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
On Aug 25, 2006, at 7:25 PM, Dave G. wrote:
> Bigs ones would be Rotax 912, 532, 582, Subaru, Jabiru. That likely
> covers more than 95%.
Thanks Dave, here is the poll:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=57305#57305
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Richard Rabbers" <rira1950@yahoo.com>
Not currently flying but may as well include my 618.
While not common, I've heard of others
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Model 1 / 618 - full-lotus floats (restoration)
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| Subject: | Re: Grass strips |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com>
I never said landing on grass strips where for daredevils, but I believe some off
field flying is. I'm sure a lot of us know what these are. I will try and
describe some strips. On a side of a mountain where you land going up hill,
greater than 4% grade. Holes and rocks sure enough to knock out a landing gear,
if you where to take your 4X4 into them you wouldn't be able to drive through
them very well. 150ft. trees on the approach end of the strip and then less
than 1000ft length. Trees along the side of the runway, if you're off just
a little your in them. Or try a cliff of the side of the strip that goes up 3000ft.
that sujects you to cross winds and updrafts(yes you can argue that johnson
creek is that way, but you have to remember, this strip is 150ft. wide and
no trees). These are just some examples.
I will say I've seen some real good grass fields and I've landed on them, I agree,
grass is better than cement. Lot more forgiving. But there is a line to be
drawn on what ones are safe and the ones that are daredevil strips.
--------
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kitfox4 1200 912ul speedster
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Scott Patterson <scott@lifeseeker.com>
Kitfox IV. 912UL w/ Xtra Kit (10.5:1 compression ratio/93 HP).
Nosewheel.
Scott Patterson
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| Subject: | Re: Need help turning a rough field into a nice grass |
strip
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Mine finishing mower cuts 87 " and has 3 blades. It attaches to a 3 pt
hitch on Massey diesel tractor.
I made a hitch on the back of the mower to accept a drawbar type hitch with
a 3/4 " pin. My roller is only 5 feet but wieghts near 1000 lbs with water.
My neighbour has a better roller than I do and I would like to make one
like his.
It consists of a propane tank about 10 or 12 feet wide and diamter of about
30 to 36 " filled with water.
With the rounded ends you will not get any scalping on sharp corners.
I guess they were just talking about grading your proposed runway ?
How smooth or rough is your field now ?
----- Original Message -----
From: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 1:51 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Need help turning a rough field into a nice grass
strip
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
>
>
>> I do not know why you would want to remove topsoil at all.
>
>
> I don't. I was informed by a local company that this is what they would
> have to do to get it smooth. Their explanation is that, if they didn't,
> any dirt they moved that had grass roots in it would be lumpy and they
> couldn't smooth it out. I didn't like the idea myself but these guys are
> not experienced with runways.
>
>
>> I cut with a finished mower with a roller on the back and it gets better
>> every year.
>
> Are you talking about one of those big barrels that you fill with water?
> How did you attach it to the mower deck? I was thinking I'd need to pick
> up one of those but I wasn't sure how effective they were.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=57302#57302
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Grass strips |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Where I live we don't have any extreme strips like that. But we got lots of
water, lakes and rivers.
----- Original Message -----
From: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 2:27 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Grass strips
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com>
>
> I never said landing on grass strips where for daredevils, but I believe
> some off field flying is. I'm sure a lot of us know what these are. I
> will try and describe some strips. On a side of a mountain where you land
> going up hill, greater than 4% grade. Holes and rocks sure enough to
> knock out a landing gear, if you where to take your 4X4 into them you
> wouldn't be able to drive through them very well. 150ft. trees on the
> approach end of the strip and then less than 1000ft length. Trees along
> the side of the runway, if you're off just a little your in them. Or try
> a cliff of the side of the strip that goes up 3000ft. that sujects you to
> cross winds and updrafts(yes you can argue that johnson creek is that way,
> but you have to remember, this strip is 150ft. wide and no trees). These
> are just some examples.
>
> I will say I've seen some real good grass fields and I've landed on them,
> I agree, grass is better than cement. Lot more forgiving. But there is a
> line to be drawn on what ones are safe and the ones that are daredevil
> strips.
>
> --------
> kitfoxmike
> kitfox4 1200 912ul speedster
> http://www.frappr.com/kitfoxmike
> rv7 wingkit
> reserved 287RV
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Grass strips |
I live on a grass strip and think everyone should fly from them. One caveat that
did not occur to me despite 200 or more dry grass strip landings, however,
is this: When wet, the grass is very slick. I was landing early one perfect
morning and the dew had not yet evaporated. I touched down on the 1000ft strip
at my Dad's house and applied a little brake as usual. No appreciable deceration.
Out of the corner of my eye I noticed the main gear was locked. I stopped
in plenty of time and with more respect for wet grass.
Maxwell S6/TW/IO240
Fox5flyer <morid@northland.lib.mi.us> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer"
Good post Kirk. In my opinion, grass strips are much easier, more
forgiving, safer, and less apt to cause problems in crosswinds than paved
strips, especially with tail draggers. If the grass is wet it's even
better. Nothing daredevil about it. Yet, I've known several people who
have never landed on one because of hangar stories they've heard. Up here
in northern Michigan, that eliminates a lot of places to go. Reminds me of
the reasons some folks who won't use air traffic control.
Deke
S5 TD
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kirkhull"
>
> I have not landed the fox on grass yet but will as soon as the 40 are
done.
> Short strips are no place for test flights but I don't thank that a grass
> strip is unsafe and would almost argue the other way. I'm pretty sure
that
> everyone on the list would consider me safety consensus as I am a former
> Safety analyst for a major airline, And now in the insurance world
>
>
> --Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger
McConnell
> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 5:21 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Is a taildragger dangerousIs a taildragger
> dangerous
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Roger McConnell"
>
> Mike,
> Count me as one that lands 100% on asphalt or better still concrete.
> Sense I'm still flying the 40 hours off my plane; I haven't had or made
the
> push to try grass yet. I have landed on grass and enjoyed it very much,
just
> not in the Kitfox. I will some day but sense I'm a "lazy" pilot:) I
haven't
> gotten around to it yet. By the way you might consider me, too safety
> conscious.
>
> Roger Mac
> S7/912s (trigear)
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kitfoxmike
> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 12:04 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Is a taildragger dangerousIs a taildragger
> dangerous
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kitfoxmike"
>
> I think we need to have a poll as to how many of us actually land in a
rough
> off field. I don't. Currently 100% is ashphalt. Off field, or the
boonees
> landing is very risky and I concider most to be extrem flying. Am I the
> only one that takes safety seriously and determines yes or no to a landing
> site. Sure some of us are thinking, what if the engine quites. I say,
> that's not a normal.
>
> My definition of extrem is daredevil.
>
> --------
> kitfoxmike
> kitfox4 1200 912ul speedster
> http://www.frappr.com/kitfoxmike
> rv7 wingkit
> reserved 287RV
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
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| Subject: | Re: (off topic) The experience of sailing |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
On Aug 25, 2006, at 7:51 PM, Richard Rabbers wrote:
> I had experienced the western edge of 'The Perfect Storm'. This was in
> November 2001
... T ... Th ... The Perfect Storm, Richard? ? ?
Fellow pilots, sorry this is off-topic, you don't have to read it but I
MUST write it:
Richard, you have certainly seen the movie "The Perfect Storm,"
so-called "Based on a true story," of the storm of October 1991, when
the name was invented by a meteorologist. In the movie, a fishing
vessel leaves harbour ... to never return. The entire movie is based on
... no witnesses and Hollywood calls it "based on a true story!" Ok,
let's move on.
In the movie, you see a yacht with its skipper and two female
passengers on their way to Bermuda. Hearing about the storm, the
skipper decides to go for deep water and ride the storm there, rather
than in the shallow waters of Bermuda, something that worries the
passengers. Later, the ship goes into a B2-knock-down (mast under the
water) and the two women want to call for help. The skipper refuses,
they call anyway and the US Coast Guards come to their rescue with two
helicopters and a cutter.
That is a true story. I even got a photo of the real sailboat, taken by
the Coast Guards and given to me by Bob Makowsky, a Coast Guard pilot
stationed in Puerto Rico. ( I used it in a training module on SAR).
Where I get very angry is when the movie shows the two female
passengers as the "right" people and the skipper as a fool.
It is true that any sailor with a bit of sense shall seek deep water in
a storm. Look at all the wrecks around Bermuda! It is true that only
the skipper (a.k.a. Ship Master, the equivalent of PIC) can send a
Mayday signal. Those women had no authority to do so. The result of
which: a servicemen lost his life, while the sailboat was still
floating the day after and was even towed to harbour by a passing
vessel. So, Hollywood is wrong!
This being said, the super warm and humid air from the Gulf, meeting
the super cool and dry polar air ... then passing over the shallow
water of the Great Banks, yes, it can create freak waves as the one
shown in the movie. And such a single wave was registered from a
meteorological buoy on the Banks.
BTW, I have also been sailing single-handed in snow. Brrrrr! The most
horrible wet and cold moment in my life!
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
> I guess they were just talking about grading your proposed runway ?
That's correct.
> How smooth or rough is your field now ?
With the tundra tires on my kitfox now, I coul'd probably use it as is but I imagine
that it would wear the airplane after a while and wouldn't be much fun.
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| Subject: | Re: Poll: Which plane, engine and gear configuration, please? |
Model 5 Vixen, lycoming 235, trigear
Ralph Boling
Kirksville, MO, KIRK
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| Subject: | Re: Need help turning a rough field into a nice grass |
strip
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
If the field is usuable now I would do as little as possible but remove
rocks and fill in the holes if not alot.
If too many possbily follow Deke's reco and work it up.
If it got solid ground cover you wil have to disc it and cultivate and
harrow at least.
You might have to plough it first depending on how the disc works.
The more you work it , the more rocks you will be picking over the next year
or two.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 3:15 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Need help turning a rough field into a nice grass
strip
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
>
>
>> I guess they were just talking about grading your proposed runway ?
>
>
> That's correct.
>
>
>> How smooth or rough is your field now ?
>
>
> With the tundra tires on my kitfox now, I coul'd probably use it as is but
> I imagine that it would wear the airplane after a while and wouldn't be
> much fun.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=57322#57322
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ben-PA" <ben@gmpexpress.net>
Michel, I think you need to add the certified engines also. Thanks for the polls.
Ben
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| Subject: | Poll: Which plane, engine and gear configuration, please? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
Gary Algate
Model 4
Taildragger
Jabiru 2200
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please?
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
On Aug 25, 2006, at 9:28 PM, Ben-PA wrote:
> Michel, I think you need to add the certified engines also. Thanks for
> the polls.
Yes and I forgot the Kitfox Lite too. Unfortunatey, while I can now
edit the text, I can't edit the poll. Maybe the administrator can.
Don Pearsall, can do, please?
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lyle Persels" <lpers@mchsi.com>
Model IV
Rotax 912UL
Tailwheel
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please?
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
Jose Toro
Kitfox II
Taildragger
582 "gray" head
Will sign the bill of sale, soon. However, the new
owner already started a complete restoration, and will
keep the same configuration. Will certainly miss it!
--- Lyle Persels <lpers@mchsi.com> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lyle Persels"
> <lpers@mchsi.com>
>
> Model IV
> Rotax 912UL
> Tailwheel
>
>
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>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Barry" <barryhuston@adelphia.net>
Kitfox Model IV
912UL 80 hp
Tri-Gear Conversion from TW this winter
N20577
Lake Ossipee, NH
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michel
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 2:13 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Poll: Which plane, engine and gear configuration,
please?
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Michel" <michel@online.no>
Please, select which Kitfox model you have, which engine and if a tri-gear
or tail-dragger.
Thank you,
Michel
--------
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Nelson Goguen" <mino2@verizon.net>
Series 5 vixen
912S
nose wheel
N. Central Massachusetts
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel" <michel@online.no>
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 2:19 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Poll: Which plane, engine and gear configuration,
please?
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Michel" <michel@online.no>
>
> Here, we are listing the engines commonly used on Kitfoxes. Please select
> your engine. Thanks,
>
> Michel
>
> --------
> Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=57308#57308
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "QSS" <msm@byterocky.net>
Graeme Toft (Australia)
Model 1V 1200, tail dragger with NSI subaru
Regards
Graeme ----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 3:28 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Poll
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
>
>
>> On Aug 25, 2006, at 5:08 PM, MA Stanard wrote:
>>> i would appreciate a poll of who has what engines that are currently
>>> flying and how many actually have nose and tail wheels.
>>
>
> I'm guessing none have nose and tail wheels, most people will manage to
> choose one or the other. I have seen a picture of one with floats and a
> tail wheel.
>
>
> --
>
>
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John Perry
kitfox 2 N718PD
582 / c box 2:62-1
gsc/ivo in flight
taildragger soon to be on floats
38 years young and gaining
----- Original Message -----
From: MA Stanard
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 10:08 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List:
i would appreciate a poll of who has what engines that are currently
flying and how many actually have nose and tail wheels.
thanks,
mas
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Eric" <iworonko@cox.net>
Scott,
what is this Xtra Kit and where do I get one?
Eric
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Patterson" <scott@lifeseeker.com>
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 1:48 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Poll: Which plane, engine and gear configuration,
please?
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Scott Patterson <scott@lifeseeker.com>
>
> Kitfox IV. 912UL w/ Xtra Kit (10.5:1 compression ratio/93 HP). Nosewheel.
>
> Scott Patterson
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: (off topic) The experience of sailing |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Richard Rabbers" <rira1950@yahoo.com>
> .. T ... Th ... The Perfect Storm, Richard? ? ?
Right Michel, it was late October. I arrived at my destination in November heading
out again after things warmed up a bit.
Yes, I've seen the movie. I didn't hear of or connect 'my' weather until much later
in reading about the weather that fed the 'Perfect Storm'. I was clearly
on the fringe.
A couple other sailing stories your message brings to mind...
The sailboat near Bermuda you mention, reminds me of a delivery an old(long ago,
not age) girlfriend made. Male skipper and two female crew.
They were south of Bermuda - weather came up. I knew only one on board. I was
told that the skipper was concerned, but maybe inexperienced, didn't manage the
boat too well and demanded the crew stay below with him. I didn't know the boat,
and for many other response can't comment on that approach other than things
didn't work out all that well. They rolled and then pitch-poled, lost part
of their rig and waterlogged the motor. They were eventually able to get a tow
to the Carolinas.
Another friend was part of a delivery crew on a sailboat owned by well known American
newscaster 'Walter Cronkite'. This boat ran into bad weather north of Bermuda,
rolled, and lost their deck stepped rig. Walter was able to initiate a
rescue and tow.
To a comment you made a while back about 'staying with the ship' I agree completely.
I once salvaged a 60 foot steel hull sailboat that had been abandoned by
it's owner 3 weeks prior.
We're still at sea... Sorry for this long message.. but ..... memories surface
and connections are made.
Someone may ask if a load of ping-pong balls would have boosted the confidence
of the owner. Nope, I don't think so. Beyond containment of the balls, it would
be pretty tough to add enough buoyancy to float a displacement hull with tons
of lead for a keel. This particular owner should not have attempted the trip
without experienced help. Sadly it's not uncommon for boaters to head out....
a good radio is their number one, and often only safety device. This guy (the
equivalent of a 2 hour pilot, fired a hired skipper in Nassau, Bahamas. He managed
to clear the Bahamas on his way to the USVI, but ... one thing led to another
and he 'used his emergency device (radio) to call a passing freighter to
request assistance. ... This is a true story and could be a movie :), he dropped
his sails, was unable to start his engine... the tow boats drifted together
- he was dismasted. (main mast stood to the lower spreaders, deck stepped mizzen,
gone.)
Now on to insurance topic. [this could/would NEVER happened to a pilot] - He boarded
the freighter, called his insurance carrier Lloyds' of London for hours...
They finally told him to, or he heard, he was to stay on the freighter and
leave his boat behind. (3 weeks later, after hearing about this incident and
hoping a pilot friend would come along, (yes an airplane pilot) having gotten
positions from passing freighters, we banded resources together and - got lucky...
found her rolling along east of the northern Bahamas.
- I've got to stop this story.... it's not over but would be too long. I learned
to fly a couple years after this.
Anyway... what topic are we on? Oh, the sea.
A variation of ping-pong balls - I've heard of a concept where an inflatable tube
is installed inside the hull below the deck, which could be inflated with hope
of keeping the boat at the surface of the sea, but only an option for a very
light hull. (would work for a plane if you could manage to keep from popping
the air chamber along with keeping the weight down.
Back to the sea.
99.9% of the time the sea is a wondrous place. Thankfully only about .1% of the
time.... other words would be used to describe it.
Smooth sailing / safe flying
Richard
Do not archive
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=57366#57366
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Model 3 912UL Taildragger
----- Original Message -----
From: MA Stanard
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 10:08 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List:
i would appreciate a poll of who has what engines that are currently
flying and how many actually have nose and tail wheels.
thanks,
mas
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson" <janderson412@hotmail.com>
Series 5. Subaru EA81 Turbo EFI Tail Dragger
From: "MA Stanard" <cgod@cebridge.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List:
i would appreciate a poll of who has what engines that are currently flying
and how many actually have nose and tail wheels.
thanks,
mas
_________________________________________________________________
Read the latest Hollywood gossip @ http://xtramsn.co.nz/entertainment
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox-List: |
Model II - KFM 112 tail dragger
Dee
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| Subject: | Poll: Which plane, engine and gear configuration, please? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "eccles" <eccles@chartermi.net>
Steve Eccles
Model V
Tail dragger
Continental 0-200
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Algate
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 2:41 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Poll: Which plane, engine and gear
configuration, please?
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
Gary Algate
Model 4
Taildragger
Jabiru 2200
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please?
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Roger McConnell" <rdmac@swbell.net>
Roger McConnell
Model 7 on trigear with Rotax 912uls GSC prop.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=57337#57337
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| Subject: | Re: Poll: Which plane, engine and gear configuration, please? |
Model I, 912A (Certified Aircraft Engine) Tailwheel being converted to
nose wheel.
Steve Wilson
----- Original Message -----
From: Forfun3@aol.com
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 1:17 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Poll: Which plane, engine and gear
configuration, please?
Model 5 Vixen, lycoming 235, trigear
Ralph Boling
Kirksville, MO, KIRK
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912ULModel 3Tail draggerRex in Michigan
<html><PRE><B><FONT face="courier new,courier" color=#000000 size=
2>912UL</FONT></B></PRE><PRE><B><FONT face="courier new,courier" color
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Series 6
912S
tail-dragger (floats summer)
Fred Shiple
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| Subject: | Type of Aircraft |
Model II 582 Gray head
taildragger
Glenn Horne Suffolk, VA
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Classic IV w/ 582 Gray Head. Tail Dragger
Don Smythe
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| Subject: | Re: Grass strips |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: morid@northland.lib.mi.us
Hi Lynn. I'm not home right now, but my two strips are 1600 and 1220,
intersecting with the windsock at the vertex. The 1600 is east/west with no
obstacles and the 1220 is north/south with obstacles both ends. The 1220 is a
bit of a challenge, especially dropping down over the wires landing to the
north. I generally use it for takeoff if winds are calm and generally use the
long one for landing. Then again, it all depends on the wind.
I'll send a photo when I get home on Sunday or Monday.
Deke
>
> Speaking of grass strips, Deke, what're the dimensions for yours and
> the headings? Easier to get in and out than Howland?
>
> Lynn
> do not archive
> On Friday, August 25, 2006, at 07:51 AM, Fox5flyer wrote:
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer"
> > <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
> >
> > Good post Kirk. In my opinion, grass strips are much easier, more
> > forgiving, safer, and less apt to cause problems in crosswinds than
> > paved
> > strips, especially with tail draggers. If the grass is wet it's even
> > better. Nothing daredevil about it. Yet, I've known several people
> > who
> > have never landed on one because of hangar stories they've heard. Up
> > here
> > in northern Michigan, that eliminates a lot of places to go. Reminds
> > me of
> > the reasons some folks who won't use air traffic control.
> > Deke
> > S5 TD
> >
> >> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kirkhull" <kirkhull@sbcglobal.net>
> >>
> >> I have not landed the fox on grass yet but will as soon as the 40 are
> > done.
> >> Short strips are no place for test flights but I don't thank that a
> >> grass
> >> strip is unsafe and would almost argue the other way. I'm pretty sure
> > that
> >> everyone on the list would consider me safety consensus as I am a
> >> former
> >> Safety analyst for a major airline, And now in the insurance world
> >>
> >>
> >> --Original Message-----
> >> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger
> > McConnell
> >> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 5:21 PM
> >> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> >> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Is a taildragger dangerousIs a
> >> taildragger
> >> dangerous
> >>
> >> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Roger McConnell"
> >> <rdmac@swbell.net>
> >>
> >> Mike,
> >> Count me as one that lands 100% on asphalt or better still concrete.
> >> Sense I'm still flying the 40 hours off my plane; I haven't had or
> >> made
> > the
> >> push to try grass yet. I have landed on grass and enjoyed it very
> >> much,
> > just
> >> not in the Kitfox. I will some day but sense I'm a "lazy" pilot:) I
> > haven't
> >> gotten around to it yet. By the way you might consider me, too safety
> >> conscious.
> >>
> >> Roger Mac
> >> S7/912s (trigear)
> >> DO NOT ARCHIVE
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> >> kitfoxmike
> >> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 12:04 PM
> >> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> >> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Is a taildragger dangerousIs a taildragger
> >> dangerous
> >>
> >> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com>
> >>
> >> I think we need to have a poll as to how many of us actually land in a
> > rough
> >> off field. I don't. Currently 100% is ashphalt. Off field, or the
> > boonees
> >> landing is very risky and I concider most to be extrem flying. Am I
> >> the
> >> only one that takes safety seriously and determines yes or no to a
> >> landing
> >> site. Sure some of us are thinking, what if the engine quites. I
> >> say,
> >> that's not a normal.
> >>
> >> My definition of extrem is daredevil.
> >>
> >> --------
> >> kitfoxmike
> >> kitfox4 1200 912ul speedster
> >> http://www.frappr.com/kitfoxmike
> >> rv7 wingkit
> >> reserved 287RV
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Read this topic online here:
> >>
> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=57025#57025
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Mod. IV Speedster 912UL, tail dragger being converted to nose dragger
Eric
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Smythe
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 9:05 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Type of Aircraft
Classic IV w/ 582 Gray Head. Tail Dragger
Don Smythe
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clem Nichols" <cnichols@scrtc.com>
Clem Nichols
Model IV 1200
NSI Subaru EA81
Taildragger
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=57409#57409
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: David Estapa <davestapa@juno.com>
I recently had my 5 signed off. I did my weight and balance using a set
of scales and came up with a total weight of 868 lbs. That is what is
listed on my weight & balance (which the DAR took a copy)and also on the
data plate. I later found out there was reason to suspect the scales.
Last night weighed the airplane on a set of calibrated scales and came up
with 833 lbs. My question is there anything I need to do other than carry
the revised W&B in the airplane. What about the data plate?
David Estapa
Woodstock, GA
S5TD N97DE
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| Subject: | Type of Aircraft |
From:Ron Liebmann
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 9:29 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Type of Aircraft
Model II 582 Gray head
taildragger
Ron Liebmann Near Chicago
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kenneth and Alice Jones" <kmamjones@comcast.net>
Series 7, under construction, 912S, tailwheel
Ken Jones - South Central PA
----- Original Message -----
From: <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 10:11 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Grass strips
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: morid@northland.lib.mi.us
>
> Hi Lynn. I'm not home right now, but my two strips are 1600 and 1220,
> intersecting with the windsock at the vertex. The 1600 is east/west with
> no
> obstacles and the 1220 is north/south with obstacles both ends. The 1220
> is a
> bit of a challenge, especially dropping down over the wires landing to the
> north. I generally use it for takeoff if winds are calm and generally use
> the
> long one for landing. Then again, it all depends on the wind.
> I'll send a photo when I get home on Sunday or Monday.
> Deke
>
>>
>> Speaking of grass strips, Deke, what're the dimensions for yours and
>> the headings? Easier to get in and out than Howland?
>>
>> Lynn
>> do not archive
>> On Friday, August 25, 2006, at 07:51 AM, Fox5flyer wrote:
>>
>> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer"
>> > <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>> >
>> > Good post Kirk. In my opinion, grass strips are much easier, more
>> > forgiving, safer, and less apt to cause problems in crosswinds than
>> > paved
>> > strips, especially with tail draggers. If the grass is wet it's even
>> > better. Nothing daredevil about it. Yet, I've known several people
>> > who
>> > have never landed on one because of hangar stories they've heard. Up
>> > here
>> > in northern Michigan, that eliminates a lot of places to go. Reminds
>> > me of
>> > the reasons some folks who won't use air traffic control.
>> > Deke
>> > S5 TD
>> >
>> >> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kirkhull" <kirkhull@sbcglobal.net>
>> >>
>> >> I have not landed the fox on grass yet but will as soon as the 40 are
>> > done.
>> >> Short strips are no place for test flights but I don't thank that a
>> >> grass
>> >> strip is unsafe and would almost argue the other way. I'm pretty sure
>> > that
>> >> everyone on the list would consider me safety consensus as I am a
>> >> former
>> >> Safety analyst for a major airline, And now in the insurance world
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --Original Message-----
>> >> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>> >> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger
>> > McConnell
>> >> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 5:21 PM
>> >> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> >> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Is a taildragger dangerousIs a
>> >> taildragger
>> >> dangerous
>> >>
>> >> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Roger McConnell"
>> >> <rdmac@swbell.net>
>> >>
>> >> Mike,
>> >> Count me as one that lands 100% on asphalt or better still concrete.
>> >> Sense I'm still flying the 40 hours off my plane; I haven't had or
>> >> made
>> > the
>> >> push to try grass yet. I have landed on grass and enjoyed it very
>> >> much,
>> > just
>> >> not in the Kitfox. I will some day but sense I'm a "lazy" pilot:) I
>> > haven't
>> >> gotten around to it yet. By the way you might consider me, too safety
>> >> conscious.
>> >>
>> >> Roger Mac
>> >> S7/912s (trigear)
>> >> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>> >> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>> >> kitfoxmike
>> >> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 12:04 PM
>> >> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> >> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Is a taildragger dangerousIs a taildragger
>> >> dangerous
>> >>
>> >> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com>
>> >>
>> >> I think we need to have a poll as to how many of us actually land in a
>> > rough
>> >> off field. I don't. Currently 100% is ashphalt. Off field, or the
>> > boonees
>> >> landing is very risky and I concider most to be extrem flying. Am I
>> >> the
>> >> only one that takes safety seriously and determines yes or no to a
>> >> landing
>> >> site. Sure some of us are thinking, what if the engine quites. I
>> >> say,
>> >> that's not a normal.
>> >>
>> >> My definition of extrem is daredevil.
>> >>
>> >> --------
>> >> kitfoxmike
>> >> kitfox4 1200 912ul speedster
>> >> http://www.frappr.com/kitfoxmike
>> >> rv7 wingkit
>> >> reserved 287RV
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Read this topic online here:
>> >>
>> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=57025#57025
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
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Classic VI with a stratus Subaru and a tail wheel
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of john perry
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 5:47 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List:
John Perry
kitfox 2 N718PD
582 / c box 2:62-1
gsc/ivo in flight
taildragger soon to be on floats
38 years young and gaining
----- Original Message -----
From: MA Stanard <mailto:cgod@cebridge.net>
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 10:08 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List:
i would appreciate a poll of who has what engines that are currently flying
and how many actually have nose and tail wheels.
thanks,
mas
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| Subject: | Type of Aircraft |
How about adding your location as well?
Kirk with a classic VI powered by a stratus Subaru and located in Kansas
city Missouri / 0N0
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Smythe
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 9:05 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Type of Aircraft
Classic IV w/ 582 Gray Head. Tail Dragger
Don Smythe
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| Subject: | Re: Mechanic near 35A? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kirkhull" <kirkhull@sbcglobal.net>
Maintenance on a homebuilt can only be done by an A&P or a person holding a
repairmans cert for that plane. Aka the builder. Not just anybody can do
the maintenance
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jose M. Toro
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Mechanic near 35A?
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
Luis:
Another source for this information is the EAA web
site, www.eaa.org. I know this specific question is
answered in that site.
Jose
--- wingnut <wingnut@spamarrest.com> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingnut"
> <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
>
>
> > Therefore, any maintenance on an experimental
> > airplane can be performed virtually by anyone
> regardless of credentials.
> >
>
>
> Hmm. That's something to chew on. I guess I'll wait
> until I can talk to a loca A&P. Thanks for the heads
> up.
>
> -Luis
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
>
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=57228#57228
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List
>
> Web Forums!
>
>
> Admin.
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Fwd: malcolm Falcom ins web site |
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Shane Sather" <shanesather@netkaster.ca>
Shane Sather
Light squared
912s
full lotus floats
Nunavut, Canada
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ted Palamarek" <temco@telusplanet.net>
Shane
Are you still up at CamBay on Victoria Island?? I'll be up there on Wed
night next week.
Ted
Edmonton
DO NOT ARCHIVE
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Shane Sather
Sent: August 25, 2006 10:06 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: poll
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Shane Sather" <shanesather@netkaster.ca>
Shane Sather
Light squared
912s
full lotus floats
Nunavut, Canada
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HI Guys, I seem to have a real problem with the ignition CDI's on my
NSI. I have absolutely no spark at all and suspect that both black boxes
have finally succumbed to the salt water they were sitting in for
several hours when we had our unscheduled swim at Christmas time.. Has
anyone ever changed these CDI ignition systems to a conventional
distributor and coil?. I have heard that the traditional Subaru
distributor can be retro fitted with dual points. If this is correct it
might be a sensible alternative for me to consider due to the NSI
replacement CDI's being no longer available. My engine is the standard
NSI EA 81 non turbo and there is still provision on the engine to fit a
distributor. Any comments would be appreciated as I don't want to be out
of the air for another 6 months. Im just starting to have fun again.
Thanks guys.
Regards
Graeme
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| Subject: | Kitfox in Thailand - Is it safe to come out now? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Colin Durey" <colin@ptclhk.com>
Hi guys,
I'm the one who asked what I thought was a simple question " Does anyone
know of any Fitfoxes flying in Thailand?"
I'm absolutley gobsmacked at the exchanges that have gone on over this,
and hope that its all died down now. However, my original question still
stands, as I've only seen one message (an exchange between two other list
members)that gives any indication as whether there is or not. So, if
anyone does know, could they please tell me?
Regards
Colin Durey
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox in Thailand - Is it safe to come out now? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "QSS" <msm@byterocky.net>
Hi Colin, you cant go to Thailand, youv'e got a plane to build by the end of
September. so you can come on our run to Cape York. When I was their last we
noticed the same strip that some one else mentioned. It is on the Bangkok
side of Pattaya. If you do a search on the Pacific Flyer web site I think
they ran an article some time back on ultraligths in that area. Might turn
up something. Also I need a VSI. Are you in business yet??.
Cheers
Graeme ----- Original Message -----
From: "Colin Durey" <colin@ptclhk.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 3:04 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox in Thailand - Is it safe to come out now?
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Colin Durey" <colin@ptclhk.com>
>
> Hi guys,
>
> I'm the one who asked what I thought was a simple question " Does anyone
> know of any Fitfoxes flying in Thailand?"
>
> I'm absolutley gobsmacked at the exchanges that have gone on over this,
> and hope that its all died down now. However, my original question still
> stands, as I've only seen one message (an exchange between two other list
> members)that gives any indication as whether there is or not. So, if
> anyone does know, could they please tell me?
>
>
> Regards
>
> Colin Durey
>
>
> --
>
>
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