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1. 05:23 AM - Heavily Corroded Wing Lift Struts - John McBean (Jose M. Toro)
2. 05:34 AM - Re: Gas Caps Leakage (Richard Rabbers)
3. 06:17 AM - Re: Re: Gas Caps Leakage (Fox5flyer)
4. 06:26 AM - Kitfox for Sale (mike@mikegibbard.com)
5. 06:28 AM - Re: Re: Gas Caps Leakage (Dave)
6. 06:31 AM - Re: model 3 tires (Dave)
7. 06:53 AM - Re: kitfox makes landing on hiway (kitfoxmike)
8. 07:30 AM - Re: Gas Caps Leakage - Gas Stain (Mike Ford)
9. 08:25 AM - Re: Demo ride in So. California? (Guy Buchanan)
10. 08:54 AM - Re: Kitfox for Sale (Dave)
11. 10:44 AM - AW: Heavily Corroded Wing Lift Struts (Werner Keiper)
12. 11:17 AM - Heavily Corroded Wing Lift Struts (John Oakley)
13. 11:45 AM - Re: AW: Heavily Corroded Wing Lift Struts (Jose M. Toro)
14. 01:38 PM - AW: AW: Heavily Corroded Wing Lift Struts (Werner Keiper)
15. 01:58 PM - Re: Demo ride in So. California? (WBL)
16. 04:15 PM - wing spars (cirrus10)
17. 05:04 PM - Re: wing spars (Don Pearsall)
18. 05:24 PM - Re: wing spars (Dave and Diane)
19. 06:08 PM - Re: wing spars (Ron Liebmann)
20. 06:30 PM - Re: wing spars (cirrus10)
21. 06:34 PM - Re: AW: AW: Heavily Corroded Wing Lift Struts (Jose M. Toro)
22. 06:34 PM - Re: wing spars (cirrus10)
23. 06:44 PM - Heavily Corroded Wing Lift Struts - John (Jose M. Toro)
24. 07:04 PM - Re: wing spars (Guy Buchanan)
25. 07:07 PM - Re: wing spars (John Oakley)
26. 07:15 PM - Re: wing spars bend or wing warp? (Forfun3@aol.com)
27. 07:37 PM - Re: Heavily Corroded Wing Lift Struts - John (John Oakley)
28. 09:21 PM - Re: wing spars (John Oakley)
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| Subject: | Heavily Corroded Wing Lift Struts - John McBean |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
John:
Can I adapt model IV wing lift struts to model II wing
by moving the attachment brackets?
Jose
--- Rex <gypsybee@copper.net> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Rex
> <gypsybee@copper.net>
>
> The model IV struts are longer than the model II
> since the bracket
> location is further out on the spar.. I could get
> you dimensions if you
> need them.
> Rex
> Colorado
>
>
> Bob Unternaehrer wrote:
>
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob
> Unternaehrer" <shilocom@mcmsys.com>
> >
> >The old ones I think, if my memory serves me right
> were 7/8" dia but were
> >smaller than the new ones for sure. Have NO idea
> if Mod IV struts fits the
> >MOD II. You would have to go to Kitfox for that.
> Bob U>
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> >-
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| Subject: | Re: Gas Caps Leakage |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Richard Rabbers" <rira1950@yahoo.com>
> What is RTV?
RTV = Room Temperature Vulcanizing
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Richard in SW Michigan
Model 1 / 618 - full-lotus floats (restoration)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=58179#58179
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| Subject: | Re: Gas Caps Leakage |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Also silicone caulking
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Rabbers" <rira1950@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 8:34 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Gas Caps Leakage
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Richard Rabbers" <rira1950@yahoo.com>
>
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> > What is RTV?
>
> RTV = Room Temperature Vulcanizing
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> Richard in SW Michigan
> Model 1 / 618 - full-lotus floats (restoration)
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=58179#58179
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I am selling my Kitfox for $16,000. Information for Airplane is on link
below. Also photos are included. It comes with skis, Trailer, and floats
not rigged.
http://mikegibbard.com/JimKolburg.pdf
Mike Gibbard
231-544-5241 Home Office
231-676-3788 Cell Phone
mike@mikegibbard.com
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| Subject: | Re: Gas Caps Leakage |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
just call it silcone.
:)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Rabbers" <rira1950@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 8:34 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Gas Caps Leakage
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Richard Rabbers" <rira1950@yahoo.com>
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>> What is RTV?
>
> RTV = Room Temperature Vulcanizing
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> Richard in SW Michigan
> Model 1 / 618 - full-lotus floats (restoration)
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=58179#58179
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| Subject: | Re: model 3 tires |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
John , Very good point there on the 2 ply tires.
If you are flying off paved mostly perhpas a golf cart style tire would fare
better plus they are still fairly tall and wide to give good flotation on
soft ground.
No cactus up here in Canada ;-0
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "john perry" <eskflyer@lvcisp.com>
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 10:21 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: model 3 tires
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "john perry" <eskflyer@lvcisp.com>
>
> all these tires are only 2 ply , which is why i like the kenda tire with
> the straight lug they deflect the stickers and catus and goat heads and
> such . I no longer have flats to deal with lol . also the 2 ply tires
> quickly wear out on pavement if doing alot of flying and your gear is not
> tracked right .
>
> Just my humble opinion and noone made me say these things .
> John Perry
> Kitfox 2 N718PDF
> fly safe fly low fly slow and have FUN
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 8:28 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: model 3 tires
>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
>>
>> http://www.mipowerparachute.com/Tires.html
>>
>> read that 40$ each
>>
>> no idea why you would mess around removing lugs.
>>
>> Also --seach out gold cart wheels 16.5 or 18.5 should work fine on 8 "
>> rim .
>>
>>
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "john perry" <eskflyer@lvcisp.com>
>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 8:28 PM
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: model 3 tires
>>
>>
>>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "john perry" <eskflyer@lvcisp.com>
>>>
>>> look at the Kenda tire 20x7x8 they are only 20. for each . I buy mine
>>> from rocky mountain atv
>>> www.rockymountainatvmc.com
>>> 1-800-336-5437
>>> they are great and with the lugs work wonderful they are not like the
>>> cheng shin original tires that are stripped of the lugs , by the way the
>>> cheng shin tires only cost 20. each and resell for 115. each when
>>> trimmed of the lugs .
>>>
>>> John Perry
>>> kitfox 2 N718PD
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "joe" <joe@arin.k12.pa.us>
>>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 8:19 AM
>>> Subject: Kitfox-List: model 3 tires
>>>
>>>
>>>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "joe" <joe@arin.k12.pa.us>
>>>>
>>>> Tractor supply has 20.00 x7.00 x8 tires for about $55.00 with knobs in
>>>> 6
>>>> rows around the tire. about 150 / 200 total. is there an easy way to
>>>> remove them?
>>>>
>>>> regards,
>>>>
>>>> Joe
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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| Subject: | Re: kitfox makes landing on hiway |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com>
Ya, but take note, he landed on the highway instead of landing in a field. I think
the story is way cool.
--------
kitfoxmike
kitfox4 1200 912ul speedster
http://www.frappr.com/kitfoxmike
rv7 wingkit
reserved 287RV
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=58201#58201
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| Subject: | RE: Gas Caps Leakage - Gas Stain |
I've been using 3M sharpshooter. It works amazingly well.
clemwehner <clemwehner@sbcglobal.net> wrote: --> Kitfox-List message posted by:
"clemwehner"
The subject of gas stains keeps coming up every few years on this list.
In the past, several members have said that fresh gasoline on a rag will
remove the stains. They've said to wipe it on the stain, then wipe it
off while it is still wet. Then clean the fabric with water. This sounds
counter-intuitive, but it supposedly works, though I haven't tried it.
In a similar situation, someone wrote on our office whiteboard with
permanent marker instead of a dry erase marker. Nothing would get it off
except tracing over the marks with a new permanent marker, then wiping
it off while it was still wet. Worked great. Kinda the same idea with
our gas stains.
Clem
Lawton, OK
KFIV, 912
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
mdps_mc@swoca.net
Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 9:44 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Gas Caps Leakage
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: mdps_mc@swoca.net
There was someone that said a mixture of diet mountian dew and I think
maybe baking soda. Sounds a bit strange but I never tried it. This
comment was made on this list. Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: "George Wells@adelphia.net"
To:kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: Gas Caps Leakage
On both of the past 2 KF's I have had, a 4 and a 5, when the tanks are
topped off the caps seep staining the wing with gas. I have tried new
caps but they still seep. Does anyone have a solution for this ??
Also what is good to clean the stain? I have tried all kinds of
cleaners.
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| Subject: | Re: Demo ride in So. California? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
At 10:46 PM 8/28/2006, you wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "rudderdancer" <jhenryhall@mac.com>
>
>Hi all,
>I have searched the forum but haven't found anything relating where a demo
>ride in a Kitfox might be found in So. California. I'm a former Stinson
>108-1 owner/pilot that is very interested in a Kitfox or Avid. If anyone
>can point me in the right direction to finding a demo ride, doesn't have
>to be for long, just around the patch will do, I would appreciated it.
Dang. If I had my 40 hours done I'd gladly come up and give you a ride. And
if my back would stop failing I'd be able to put on some more hours. and if...
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox for Sale |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Mike ,
Can you send me all specifics on your KF for sale
Dave
dave@cfisher.com
----- Original Message -----
From: <mike@mikegibbard.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 9:26 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox for Sale
>I am selling my Kitfox for $16,000. Information for Airplane is on link
> below. Also photos are included. It comes with skis, Trailer, and floats
> not rigged.
>
> http://mikegibbard.com/JimKolburg.pdf
>
> Mike Gibbard
> 231-544-5241 Home Office
> 231-676-3788 Cell Phone
> mike@mikegibbard.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Heavily Corroded Wing Lift Struts |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Werner Keiper" <Werner@Keiper-Koerdorf.de>
Hi Jos,
I have a Kitfox III and I am pretty sure they are the same than on Kitfox
II.
In Germany we had to make them stronger because some testing showed that
they were not strong enough and it was a weak point. Country regulation
asked for it.
So we replaced them with bigger tubes but they have the original lenght. If
you want I can meshure them and mail.
Have a nice day
Werner Keiper
Kitfox III Germany
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro"
> > <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
> > >
> > > Hi All:
> > >
> > > "My Kitfox" new owner is currently performing a
> > > complete restoration. He already applied sand
> > > blasting to the fuselage, and the applied an epoxy
> > > primer and a polyurethane coat. It is in good
> > shape.
> > >
> > >
> > > The wing lift struts however are a different
> > story.
> > > When he attempted to remove the bracket that
> > attachs
> > > the jury strut to the wing lift strut, he found
> > that
> > > the strut was heavily corroded. He said I'm lucky
> > to
> > > be alive. I flew this plane for the last time on
> > > December 2004, and then it was for one and a half
> > year
> > > on my backyard, exposed. This rust may have
> > developed
> > > during that time frame. I will never know.
> > >
> > > What really matters is that now I need a pair of
> > Wing
> > > Lift Struts and Jury struts for a Kitfox II. I
> > have
> > > some questions regarding my alternatives:
> > > - Could I adapt Model IV wing lift struts to a
> > model
> > > II?
> > > - Could I get a pair of Model II wing lift struts
> > and
> > > jury struts from John McBean/Kitfox LLC?
> > > - Do any of you have a pair of Model II wing lift
> > > struts in good shape for sale? Please not rust!!!
> > >
> > > Thanks for your support!!!
> > >
> > > Jos Toro
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > __________________________________________________
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > browse
> > Subscriptions page,
> > FAQ,
> > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List
> >
> > Web Forums!
> >
> >
> > Admin.
> >
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| Subject: | Heavily Corroded Wing Lift Struts |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Oakley" <john@leptron.com>
Jos Toro,
If you change the length of the wing struts, you will affect the angle of
the bolt holes that were drilled in the spars at the airframe mounting. Even
a little length will render the current spars unusable or worse if you bow
them to fit, the spars may fail in flight. Also you can not move the spar
connection for the lift struts with out weakening the spars. Please consider
this .....
Thanks, John Oakley
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| Subject: | Re: Heavily Corroded Wing Lift Struts |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
Werner:
Do you mean that you installed Model IV wing lift
struts to model III planes? Model II and model II
wings are the same.
I will appreciate if you send the measures. In
addition to the measure of the two main tubes, I need
the measure between the end of both tubes.
Thanks!
Jos
--- Werner Keiper <Werner@keiper-koerdorf.de> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Werner Keiper"
> <Werner@Keiper-Koerdorf.de>
>
> Hi Jos,
>
> I have a Kitfox III and I am pretty sure they are
> the same than on Kitfox
> II.
> In Germany we had to make them stronger because some
> testing showed that
> they were not strong enough and it was a weak point.
> Country regulation
> asked for it.
> So we replaced them with bigger tubes but they have
> the original lenght. If
> you want I can meshure them and mail.
>
> Have a nice day
>
> Werner Keiper
>
> Kitfox III Germany
>
>
> > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M.
> Toro"
> > > <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
> > > >
> > > > Hi All:
> > > >
> > > > "My Kitfox" new owner is currently performing
> a
> > > > complete restoration. He already applied sand
> > > > blasting to the fuselage, and the applied an
> epoxy
> > > > primer and a polyurethane coat. It is in good
> > > shape.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The wing lift struts however are a different
> > > story.
> > > > When he attempted to remove the bracket that
> > > attachs
> > > > the jury strut to the wing lift strut, he
> found
> > > that
> > > > the strut was heavily corroded. He said I'm
> lucky
> > > to
> > > > be alive. I flew this plane for the last time
> on
> > > > December 2004, and then it was for one and a
> half
> > > year
> > > > on my backyard, exposed. This rust may have
> > > developed
> > > > during that time frame. I will never know.
> > > >
> > > > What really matters is that now I need a pair
> of
> > > Wing
> > > > Lift Struts and Jury struts for a Kitfox II.
> I
> > > have
> > > > some questions regarding my alternatives:
> > > > - Could I adapt Model IV wing lift struts to a
> > > model
> > > > II?
> > > > - Could I get a pair of Model II wing lift
> struts
> > > and
> > > > jury struts from John McBean/Kitfox LLC?
> > > > - Do any of you have a pair of Model II wing
> lift
> > > > struts in good shape for sale? Please not
> rust!!!
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for your support!!!
> > > >
> > > > Jos Toro
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> __________________________________________________
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > browse
> > > Subscriptions page,
> > > FAQ,
> > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List
> > >
> > > Web Forums!
> > >
> > >
> > > Admin.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List
>
> Web Forums!
>
>
> Admin.
>
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>
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| Subject: | Heavily Corroded Wing Lift Struts |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Werner Keiper" <Werner@Keiper-Koerdorf.de>
Jos,
I mean that I have a modell III with modell III wing lift struts. These wing
lift struts are modified. We welded in stronger tubes.
I think that the size of modell II wing lift struts are the same on modell 3
and so you could use them for both models.
I will make on the weekend some measures.
Talk again
Werner
-----Ursprngliche Nachricht-----
Von: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] Im Auftrag von Jose M. Toro
Gesendet: Dienstag, 29. August 2006 20:45
An: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Betreff: Re: AW: Kitfox-List: Heavily Corroded Wing Lift Struts
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro"
--> <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
Werner:
Do you mean that you installed Model IV wing lift struts to model III
planes? Model II and model II wings are the same.
I will appreciate if you send the measures. In addition to the measure of
the two main tubes, I need the measure between the end of both tubes.
Thanks!
Jos
--- Werner Keiper <Werner@keiper-koerdorf.de> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Werner Keiper"
> <Werner@Keiper-Koerdorf.de>
>
> Hi Jos,
>
> I have a Kitfox III and I am pretty sure they are the same than on
> Kitfox II.
> In Germany we had to make them stronger because some testing showed
> that they were not strong enough and it was a weak point.
> Country regulation
> asked for it.
> So we replaced them with bigger tubes but they have the original
> lenght. If you want I can meshure them and mail.
>
> Have a nice day
>
> Werner Keiper
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| Subject: | Re: Demo ride in So. California? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: WBL <aeromer@ix.netcom.com>
What area of SoCal are you in? There are several Kitfoxes in the Ramona area NE
of San Diego. Also some instructors there who may have Kitfox contacts. There
were several threads on the list a few months back. Check the archive.
-----Original Message-----
>From: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
>Sent: Aug 29, 2006 8:21 AM
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Demo ride in So. California?
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
>
>At 10:46 PM 8/28/2006, you wrote:
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "rudderdancer" <jhenryhall@mac.com>
>>
>>Hi all,
>>I have searched the forum but haven't found anything relating where a demo
>>ride in a Kitfox might be found in So. California. I'm a former Stinson
>>108-1 owner/pilot that is very interested in a Kitfox or Avid. If anyone
>>can point me in the right direction to finding a demo ride, doesn't have
>>to be for long, just around the patch will do, I would appreciated it.
>
>Dang. If I had my 40 hours done I'd gladly come up and give you a ride. And
>if my back would stop failing I'd be able to put on some more hours. and if...
>
>
>Guy Buchanan
>K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
>
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I am the second owner of a 6 in which the previous owner did very little
constructionwise, and am at the point of attaching the wings. One of
wings fore spars has a bend on the vertical (perpendicular to the shear
of the insert). It is a continuous bend from end to end, and is 3/16" -
1/4" at the apex. I carefully inspected the rivets and glue joints on
that spar and see nothing unusual.
Problem? Do I need to replace the spar?
Thanks for any advice,
Ed
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Ed, I am having trouble visualizing what you are describing. Can you attach
a photo of the part you are talking about?
Don
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cirrus10
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 4:14 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: wing spars
I am the second owner of a 6 in which the previous owner did very little
constructionwise, and am at the point of attaching the wings. One of wings
fore spars has a bend on the vertical (perpendicular to the shear of the
insert). It is a continuous bend from end to end, and is 3/16" - 1/4" at
the apex. I carefully inspected the rivets and glue joints on that spar and
see nothing unusual.
Problem? Do I need to replace the spar?
Thanks for any advice,
Ed
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dave and Diane <ddsyverson@comcast.net>
Ed,
I am having a bit of difficulty visualizing where the damage is and what it
looks like.
Any chance you have a digital photo?
Tubular spars depend on their strength from their shape.
Any bend will change the overall strength of the tube and will quite likely
create a stress riser where a crack may start at some unknown time in the
future. You may no longer be at design strength. It also makes a difference
if it is in the middle of the spar, at the inboard attach point or on the
last quarter inch on the outboard end.
Do you have the construction manual? What does it say about evaluating the
condition of the spar tubes?
I threw away two spar tubes for my model 7 because I didn't like the scratches
(Radial scratches - 0.003 - 0.005" deep) and got new ones.
I may be a bit more conservative than some. I would be reluctant to advise
anyone to incorporate a damaged spar tube in the wing.
Knowing what the actual strength is on a damaged spar, is a real experiment -
too much of an experiment for me.
Sincerely,
Dave S
St Paul, MN
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On Tuesday 29 August 2006 6:14 pm, cirrus10 wrote:
> I am the second owner of a 6 in which the previous owner did very little
> constructionwise, and am at the point of attaching the wings. One of wings
> fore spars has a bend on the vertical (perpendicular to the shear of the
> insert). It is a continuous bend from end to end, and is 3/16" - 1/4" at
> the apex. I carefully inspected the rivets and glue joints on that spar
> and see nothing unusual. Problem? Do I need to replace the spar?
>
> Thanks for any advice,
> Ed
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Hi Ed,
As I read your note, as you look down the spar with the web vertical,
the bend goes either to the right or left depending.....is this correct?
Is the wing completely built?
Send digital pics to the list if ya can....
Ron N55KF
I am the second owner of a 6 in which the previous owner did very
little constructionwise, and am at the point of attaching the wings.
One of wings fore spars has a bend on the vertical (perpendicular to the
shear of the insert). It is a continuous bend from end to end, and is
3/16" - 1/4" at the apex. I carefully inspected the rivets and glue
joints on that spar and see nothing unusual.
Problem? Do I need to replace the spar?
Thanks for any advice,
Ed
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "cirrus10" <cirrus10@qwest.net>
Thanks Dave,
There is really no damage per se. It's more of a slight bow, no point along
the spar can I say is the beginning or the end of the bow. It's more like a
cue stick that is bowed continuously from one end to the other. The thing
is, that it is bowed on the shear of the insert.
Regards,
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave and Diane" <ddsyverson@comcast.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 5:34 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: wing spars
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dave and Diane <ddsyverson@comcast.net>
>
> Ed,
>
> I am having a bit of difficulty visualizing where the damage is and what
> it
> looks like.
>
> Any chance you have a digital photo?
>
> Tubular spars depend on their strength from their shape.
>
> Any bend will change the overall strength of the tube and will quite
> likely
> create a stress riser where a crack may start at some unknown time in the
> future. You may no longer be at design strength. It also makes a
> difference
> if it is in the middle of the spar, at the inboard attach point or on the
> last quarter inch on the outboard end.
>
> Do you have the construction manual? What does it say about evaluating the
> condition of the spar tubes?
>
> I threw away two spar tubes for my model 7 because I didn't like the
> scratches
> (Radial scratches - 0.003 - 0.005" deep) and got new ones.
>
> I may be a bit more conservative than some. I would be reluctant to
> advise
> anyone to incorporate a damaged spar tube in the wing.
>
> Knowing what the actual strength is on a damaged spar, is a real
> experiment -
> too much of an experiment for me.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Dave S
> St Paul, MN
>
> Do Not Archive
>
>
> On Tuesday 29 August 2006 6:14 pm, cirrus10 wrote:
>> I am the second owner of a 6 in which the previous owner did very little
>> constructionwise, and am at the point of attaching the wings. One of
>> wings
>> fore spars has a bend on the vertical (perpendicular to the shear of the
>> insert). It is a continuous bend from end to end, and is 3/16" - 1/4" at
>> the apex. I carefully inspected the rivets and glue joints on that spar
>> and see nothing unusual. Problem? Do I need to replace the spar?
>>
>> Thanks for any advice,
>> Ed
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Heavily Corroded Wing Lift Struts |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
Thanks Werner!
--- Werner Keiper <Werner@keiper-koerdorf.de> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Werner Keiper"
> <Werner@Keiper-Koerdorf.de>
>
> Jos,
>
> I mean that I have a modell III with modell III wing
> lift struts. These wing
> lift struts are modified. We welded in stronger
> tubes.
> I think that the size of modell II wing lift struts
> are the same on modell 3
> and so you could use them for both models.
> I will make on the weekend some measures.
>
> Talk again
>
> Werner
>
> -----Ursprngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] Im
> Auftrag von Jose M. Toro
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 29. August 2006 20:45
> An: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Betreff: Re: AW: Kitfox-List: Heavily Corroded Wing
> Lift Struts
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro"
> --> <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
>
> Werner:
>
> Do you mean that you installed Model IV wing lift
> struts to model III
> planes? Model II and model II wings are the same.
>
> I will appreciate if you send the measures. In
> addition to the measure of
> the two main tubes, I need the measure between the
> end of both tubes.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Jos
>
> --- Werner Keiper <Werner@keiper-koerdorf.de> wrote:
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Werner Keiper"
> > <Werner@Keiper-Koerdorf.de>
> >
> > Hi Jos,
> >
> > I have a Kitfox III and I am pretty sure they are
> the same than on
> > Kitfox II.
> > In Germany we had to make them stronger because
> some testing showed
> > that they were not strong enough and it was a weak
> point.
> > Country regulation
> > asked for it.
> > So we replaced them with bigger tubes but they
> have the original
> > lenght. If you want I can meshure them and mail.
> >
> > Have a nice day
> >
> > Werner Keiper
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List
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>
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Actually, it's bowed on the shear of the insert, so it is up and down.
The wing was factory built. There is no actual damage, but a slow bow
from one end to the other.
What's the possibility of removing that spar with heat?
Regards,
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Liebmann
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 7:08 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: wing spars
Hi Ed,
As I read your note, as you look down the spar with the web
vertical, the bend goes either to the right or left depending.....is
this correct?
Is the wing completely built?
Send digital pics to the list if ya can....
Ron N55KF
I am the second owner of a 6 in which the previous owner did very
little constructionwise, and am at the point of attaching the wings.
One of wings fore spars has a bend on the vertical (perpendicular to the
shear of the insert). It is a continuous bend from end to end, and is
3/16" - 1/4" at the apex. I carefully inspected the rivets and glue
joints on that spar and see nothing unusual.
Problem? Do I need to replace the spar?
Thanks for any advice,
Ed
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| Subject: | Heavily Corroded Wing Lift Struts - John |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
John:
If I move the attachments, I will have open holes
corresponding to the original placement. I have
considered to use inserts to compensate for the
possible weakening, whose length may be most of the
length of the spar.
What do you think about this option?
Jos
--- John Oakley <john@leptron.com> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Oakley"
> <john@leptron.com>
>
> Jos Toro,
> If you change the length of the wing struts, you
> will affect the angle of
> the bolt holes that were drilled in the spars at the
> airframe mounting. Even
> a little length will render the current spars
> unusable or worse if you bow
> them to fit, the spars may fail in flight. Also you
> can not move the spar
> connection for the lift struts with out weakening
> the spars. Please consider
> this .....
>
> Thanks, John Oakley
>
>
>
>
>
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List
>
> Web Forums!
>
>
> Admin.
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
At 04:14 PM 8/29/2006, you wrote:
>I am the second owner of a 6 in which the previous owner did very little
>constructionwise, and am at the point of attaching the wings. One of
>wings fore spars has a bend on the vertical (perpendicular to the shear of
>the insert). It is a continuous bend from end to end, and is 3/16" - 1/4"
>at the apex. I carefully inspected the rivets and glue joints on that
>spar and see nothing unusual.
>Problem? Do I need to replace the spar?
Since you're at the point of attaching the wings that means they're
assembled without strut fittings. It also means the bend must be vertical,
(which you state,) since a horizontal bend would be evident in both spars.
(The ribs should force the spars to be parallel, though it's certainly
possible they were installed with a bow in the forward spar.) However, a
vertical bend should be in the plane of the shear web of the insert, not
perpendicular to it. The shear web should be a vertical "I" beam. Some
clarification is required.
Given the bend is vertical, and about 3/16 - 1/4", you then have almost 1/2
degree twist in the wing just due to the bend. If so, you may be able to
trim the aircraft with the struts, but you're stall behavior will probably
be less than desirable. Not to mention your aircraft will look like crap to
the naked eye. (You'd be surprised how easy it is to see unnatural
deformations.) I vote replace the spar. (I'd bend it back if the shear web
weren't installed. There's too much of a risk of de-bonding the shear web
with it installed.)
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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Ed,
1/4 " does not seem like much, is the wing covered, and how is the wash out.
if the wing is not covered you can take it out with the shrinking of the
fabric. You could take the spar out with heat but it does not seem like
much.
John Oakley
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cirrus10
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: wing spars
Actually, it's bowed on the shear of the insert, so it is up and down. The
wing was factory built. There is no actual damage, but a slow bow from one
end to the other.
What's the possibility of removing that spar with heat?
Regards,
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Liebmann <mailto:rliebmann@comcast.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 7:08 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: wing spars
Hi Ed,
As I read your note, as you look down the spar with the web vertical, the
bend goes either to the right or left depending.....is this correct?
Is the wing completely built?
Send digital pics to the list if ya can....
Ron N55KF
I am the second owner of a 6 in which the previous owner did very little
constructionwise, and am at the point of attaching the wings. One of wings
fore spars has a bend on the vertical (perpendicular to the shear of the
insert). It is a continuous bend from end to end, and is 3/16" - 1/4" at
the apex. I carefully inspected the rivets and glue joints on that spar and
see nothing unusual.
Problem? Do I need to replace the spar?
Thanks for any advice,
Ed
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| Subject: | Re: wing spars bend or wing warp? |
I may be missing something, however is this describing the warp effect of
the wing build process, model five wings have a wing warp built in by the
process of setting up a jig while attaching ribs, if I am not mistaken?
Ralph
In a message dated 8/29/2006 9:06:00 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
bnn@nethere.com writes:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
At 04:14 PM 8/29/2006, you wrote:
>I am the second owner of a 6 in which the previous owner did very little
>constructionwise, and am at the point of attaching the wings. One of
>wings fore spars has a bend on the vertical (perpendicular to the shear of
>the insert). It is a continuous bend from end to end, and is 3/16" - 1/4"
>at the apex. I carefully inspected the rivets and glue joints on that
>spar and see nothing unusual.
>Problem? Do I need to replace the spar?
Since you're at the point of attaching the wings that means they're
assembled without strut fittings. It also means the bend must be vertical,
(which you state,) since a horizontal bend would be evident in both spars.
(The ribs should force the spars to be parallel, though it's certainly
possible they were installed with a bow in the forward spar.) However, a
vertical bend should be in the plane of the shear web of the insert, not
perpendicular to it. The shear web should be a vertical "I" beam. Some
clarification is required.
Given the bend is vertical, and about 3/16 - 1/4", you then have almost 1/2
degree twist in the wing just due to the bend. If so, you may be able to
trim the aircraft with the struts, but you're stall behavior will probably
be less than desirable. Not to mention your aircraft will look like crap to
the naked eye. (You'd be surprised how easy it is to see unnatural
deformations.) I vote replace the spar. (I'd bend it back if the shear web
weren't installed. There's too much of a risk of de-bonding the shear web
with it installed.)
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Heavily Corroded Wing Lift Struts - John |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Oakley" <john@leptron.com>
Jos,
You are right, new inserts, longer, may take care of that problem, although
the new attachments will probably over shadow the existing holes. The real
problem is the vertical holes drilled in the spars at the fuselage
attachment point. It may be easier to have the new struts made to order at
the factory. John could use a little support anyway.
My fuselage was out of square by about 3/8 inch and I set my attachments
different on each side to make it up. The wings come together when I folded
but are several inches different in height when out, you can see it if you
look close. The plane in the air doesnt know a thing.
John Oakley
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jose M. Toro
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 7:44 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Heavily Corroded Wing Lift Struts - John
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
John:
If I move the attachments, I will have open holes
corresponding to the original placement. I have
considered to use inserts to compensate for the
possible weakening, whose length may be most of the
length of the spar.
What do you think about this option?
Jos
--- John Oakley <john@leptron.com> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Oakley"
> <john@leptron.com>
>
> Jos Toro,
> If you change the length of the wing struts, you
> will affect the angle of
> the bolt holes that were drilled in the spars at the
> airframe mounting. Even
> a little length will render the current spars
> unusable or worse if you bow
> them to fit, the spars may fail in flight. Also you
> can not move the spar
> connection for the lift struts with out weakening
> the spars. Please consider
> this .....
>
> Thanks, John Oakley
>
>
>
>
>
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List
>
> Web Forums!
>
>
> Admin.
>
>
>
>
>
__________________________________________________
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Ed,
Is the leading edge on now? Removing and replacing this might fix the
problem. Don't panic yet, it does not seem bad.
John Oakley
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cirrus10
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: wing spars
Actually, it's bowed on the shear of the insert, so it is up and down. The
wing was factory built. There is no actual damage, but a slow bow from one
end to the other.
What's the possibility of removing that spar with heat?
Regards,
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Liebmann <mailto:rliebmann@comcast.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 7:08 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: wing spars
Hi Ed,
As I read your note, as you look down the spar with the web vertical, the
bend goes either to the right or left depending.....is this correct?
Is the wing completely built?
Send digital pics to the list if ya can....
Ron N55KF
I am the second owner of a 6 in which the previous owner did very little
constructionwise, and am at the point of attaching the wings. One of wings
fore spars has a bend on the vertical (perpendicular to the shear of the
insert). It is a continuous bend from end to end, and is 3/16" - 1/4" at
the apex. I carefully inspected the rivets and glue joints on that spar and
see nothing unusual.
Problem? Do I need to replace the spar?
Thanks for any advice,
Ed
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