Today's Message Index:
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1. 12:42 AM - Re: wing spars (John Anderson)
2. 03:47 AM - Re: wing spars (Noel Loveys)
3. 03:48 AM - Re: Heavily Corroded Wing Lift Struts - John (Jose M. Toro)
4. 04:31 AM - Re: Re: Gas Caps Leakage (Bradley M Webb)
5. 06:03 AM - Re: wing spars (cirrus10)
6. 06:05 AM - Re: wing spars bend or wing warp? (cirrus10)
7. 06:08 AM - Re: wing spars (cirrus10)
8. 06:09 AM - Re: wing spars (cirrus10)
9. 06:10 AM - Re: wing spars (cirrus10)
10. 06:34 AM - Re: wing spars (John Oakley)
11. 07:06 AM - Re: wing spars (John Oakley)
12. 07:40 AM - Re: wing spars (cirrus10)
13. 07:55 AM - Re: wing spars (Guy Buchanan)
14. 08:13 AM - Re: wing spars (John Oakley)
15. 08:43 AM - Re: wing spars (Rueb, Duane)
16. 08:51 AM - Re: Kitfox for sale (John Galt)
17. 09:06 AM - Re: wing spars (Hank)
18. 09:09 AM - Re: wing spars (Fox5flyer)
19. 09:57 AM - Re: wing spars (cirrus10)
20. 09:59 AM - Re: wing spars (cirrus10)
21. 10:00 AM - Re: wing spars (cirrus10)
22. 10:01 AM - Re: wing spars (cirrus10)
23. 10:02 AM - Re: wing spars (cirrus10)
24. 03:35 PM - Re: wing spars (Noel Loveys)
25. 04:19 PM - Re: wing spars (Dave G.)
26. 04:43 PM - Re: wing spars (cirrus10)
27. 04:48 PM - Re: wing spars (cirrus10)
28. 05:05 PM - Re: Type of Aircraft (Michael Logan)
29. 05:14 PM - Re: Re: Rotax 912 Xtra (Michael Logan)
30. 06:26 PM - Re: Demo ride in So. California? (rudderdancer)
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson" <janderson412@hotmail.com>
If the wing is built, could it have been done on an wrongly set up jig?? And
yes 1/4" over the full length doesn't seem much?? John A.
From: "John Oakley" <john@leptron.com>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: wing spars
Ed,
1/4 does not seem like much, is the wing covered, and how is the wash out.
if the wing is not covered you can take it out with the shrinking of the
fabric. You could take the spar out with heat but it does not seem like
much.
John Oakley
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cirrus10
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: wing spars
Actually, it's bowed on the shear of the insert, so it is up and down. The
wing was factory built. There is no actual damage, but a slow bow from one
end to the other.
What's the possibility of removing that spar with heat?
Regards,
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Liebmann
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 7:08 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: wing spars
Hi Ed,
As I read your note, as you look down the spar with the web vertical, the
bend goes either to the right or left depending.....is this correct?
Is the wing completely built?
Send digital pics to the list if ya can....
Ron N55KF
I am the second owner of a 6 in which the previous owner did very little
constructionwise, and am at the point of attaching the wings. One of wings
fore spars has a bend on the vertical (perpendicular to the shear of the
insert). It is a continuous bend from end to end, and is 3/16" - 1/4" at
the apex. I carefully inspected the rivets and glue joints on that spar and
see nothing unusual.
Problem? Do I need to replace the spar?
Thanks for any advice,
Ed
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Never heat structural aluminium! ..... Not and use it again.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cirrus10
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 11:04 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: wing spars
Actually, it's bowed on the shear of the insert, so it is up and down.
The
wing was factory built. There is no actual damage, but a slow bow from
one
end to the other.
What's the possibility of removing that spar with heat?
Regards,
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron <mailto:rliebmann@comcast.net> Liebmann
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 7:08 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: wing spars
Hi Ed,
As I read your note, as you look down the spar with the web vertical,
the
bend goes either to the right or left depending.....is this correct?
Is the wing completely built?
Send digital pics to the list if ya can....
Ron N55KF
I am the second owner of a 6 in which the previous owner did very little
constructionwise, and am at the point of attaching the wings. One of
wings
fore spars has a bend on the vertical (perpendicular to the shear of the
insert). It is a continuous bend from end to end, and is 3/16" - 1/4"
at
the apex. I carefully inspected the rivets and glue joints on that spar
and
see nothing unusual.
Problem? Do I need to replace the spar?
Thanks for any advice,
Ed
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| Subject: | Heavily Corroded Wing Lift Struts - John |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
John:
With different length lift struts, the difference in
height was obvious when wings were folded, about three
inches at wing tips. Like I mentioned in a previous
e-mail, it was incredible how nice this plane flew for
over a decade with these assymetries.
Thanks for your feedback!
Jos
--- John Oakley <john@leptron.com> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Oakley"
> <john@leptron.com>
>
>
> Jos,
> You are right, new inserts, longer, may take care of
> that problem, although
> the new attachments will probably over shadow the
> existing holes. The real
> problem is the vertical holes drilled in the spars
> at the fuselage
> attachment point. It may be easier to have the new
> struts made to order at
> the factory. John could use a little support anyway.
>
> My fuselage was out of square by about 3/8 inch and
> I set my attachments
> different on each side to make it up. The wings come
> together when I folded
> but are several inches different in height when out,
> you can see it if you
> look close. The plane in the air doesnt know a
> thing.
> John Oakley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On
> Behalf Of Jose M. Toro
> Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 7:44 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Heavily Corroded Wing Lift
> Struts - John
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro"
> <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
>
> John:
>
> If I move the attachments, I will have open holes
> corresponding to the original placement. I have
> considered to use inserts to compensate for the
> possible weakening, whose length may be most of the
> length of the spar.
>
> What do you think about this option?
>
> Jos
>
> --- John Oakley <john@leptron.com> wrote:
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Oakley"
> > <john@leptron.com>
> >
> > Jos Toro,
> > If you change the length of the wing struts, you
> > will affect the angle of
> > the bolt holes that were drilled in the spars at
> the
> > airframe mounting. Even
> > a little length will render the current spars
> > unusable or worse if you bow
> > them to fit, the spars may fail in flight. Also
> you
> > can not move the spar
> > connection for the lift struts with out weakening
> > the spars. Please consider
> > this .....
> >
> > Thanks, John Oakley
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| Subject: | Re: Gas Caps Leakage |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bradley M Webb" <bmwebb@cox.net>
RTV = Really Tough Vaseline 8-O
Bradley
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Rabbers
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 8:34 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Gas Caps Leakage
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Richard Rabbers" <rira1950@yahoo.com>
> What is RTV?
RTV = Room Temperature Vulcanizing
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "cirrus10" <cirrus10@qwest.net>
You're correct, parallel not perpendicular.
To remove the spar is the next question. Would you suggest heating the tube
and prying it away from the ribs? Thanks.
Regards,
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: "Guy Buchanan" <bnn@nethere.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 8:03 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: wing spars
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
>
> At 04:14 PM 8/29/2006, you wrote:
>>I am the second owner of a 6 in which the previous owner did very little
>>constructionwise, and am at the point of attaching the wings. One of
>>wings fore spars has a bend on the vertical (perpendicular to the shear of
>>the insert). It is a continuous bend from end to end, and is 3/16" - 1/4"
>>at the apex. I carefully inspected the rivets and glue joints on that
>>spar and see nothing unusual.
>>Problem? Do I need to replace the spar?
>
> Since you're at the point of attaching the wings that means they're
> assembled without strut fittings. It also means the bend must be vertical,
> (which you state,) since a horizontal bend would be evident in both spars.
> (The ribs should force the spars to be parallel, though it's certainly
> possible they were installed with a bow in the forward spar.) However, a
> vertical bend should be in the plane of the shear web of the insert, not
> perpendicular to it. The shear web should be a vertical "I" beam. Some
> clarification is required.
>
> Given the bend is vertical, and about 3/16 - 1/4", you then have almost
> 1/2 degree twist in the wing just due to the bend. If so, you may be able
> to trim the aircraft with the struts, but you're stall behavior will
> probably be less than desirable. Not to mention your aircraft will look
> like crap to the naked eye. (You'd be surprised how easy it is to see
> unnatural deformations.) I vote replace the spar. (I'd bend it back if the
> shear web weren't installed. There's too much of a risk of de-bonding the
> shear web with it installed.)
>
>
> Guy Buchanan
> K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: wing spars bend or wing warp? |
Ralph,
If you mean washout, then no. The front spar, I believe should be
straight. Thanks.
Regards,
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: Forfun3@aol.com
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 8:14 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: wing spars bend or wing warp?
I may be missing something, however is this describing the warp effect
of the wing build process, model five wings have a wing warp built in by
the process of setting up a jig while attaching ribs, if I am not
mistaken?
Ralph
In a message dated 8/29/2006 9:06:00 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
bnn@nethere.com writes:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
At 04:14 PM 8/29/2006, you wrote:
>I am the second owner of a 6 in which the previous owner did very
little
>constructionwise, and am at the point of attaching the wings. One
of
>wings fore spars has a bend on the vertical (perpendicular to the
shear of
>the insert). It is a continuous bend from end to end, and is 3/16"
- 1/4"
>at the apex. I carefully inspected the rivets and glue joints on
that
>spar and see nothing unusual.
>Problem? Do I need to replace the spar?
Since you're at the point of attaching the wings that means they're
assembled without strut fittings. It also means the bend must be
vertical,
(which you state,) since a horizontal bend would be evident in both
spars.
(The ribs should force the spars to be parallel, though it's
certainly
possible they were installed with a bow in the forward spar.)
However, a
vertical bend should be in the plane of the shear web of the insert,
not
perpendicular to it. The shear web should be a vertical "I" beam.
Some
clarification is required.
Given the bend is vertical, and about 3/16 - 1/4", you then have
almost 1/2
degree twist in the wing just due to the bend. If so, you may be
able to
trim the aircraft with the struts, but you're stall behavior will
probably
be less than desirable. Not to mention your aircraft will look like
crap to
the naked eye. (You'd be surprised how easy it is to see unnatural
deformations.) I vote replace the spar. (I'd bend it back if the
shear web
weren't installed. There's too much of a risk of de-bonding the
shear web
with it installed.)
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar. he
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John,
No, the leading edge is not on. I,ll try some clamping with the leading
edge, and see if I can get some of the bow out. Thanks.
Regards,
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: John Oakley
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 10:26 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: wing spars
Ed,
Is the leading edge on now? Removing and replacing this might fix the
problem. Don't panic yet, it does not seem bad.
John Oakley
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cirrus10
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 7:34 PM
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: wing spars
Actually, it's bowed on the shear of the insert, so it is up and down.
The wing was factory built. There is no actual damage, but a slow bow
from one end to the other.
What's the possibility of removing that spar with heat?
Regards,
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Liebmann
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 7:08 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: wing spars
Hi Ed,
As I read your note, as you look down the spar with the web
vertical, the bend goes either to the right or left depending.....is
this correct?
Is the wing completely built?
Send digital pics to the list if ya can....
Ron N55KF
I am the second owner of a 6 in which the previous owner did very
little constructionwise, and am at the point of attaching the wings.
One of wings fore spars has a bend on the vertical (perpendicular to the
shear of the insert). It is a continuous bend from end to end, and is
3/16" - 1/4" at the apex. I carefully inspected the rivets and glue
joints on that spar and see nothing unusual.
Problem? Do I need to replace the spar?
Thanks for any advice,
Ed
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "cirrus10" <cirrus10@qwest.net>
The wing was factory built, aand yes that is a possibility. Thanks.
Regards,
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Anderson" <janderson412@hotmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 1:40 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: wing spars
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson"
> <janderson412@hotmail.com>
>
>
> If the wing is built, could it have been done on an wrongly set up jig??
> And yes 1/4" over the full length doesn't seem much?? John A.
>
>
> From: "John Oakley" <john@leptron.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: wing spars
> Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 20:13:06 -0600
>
>
> Ed,
> 1/4 " does not seem like much, is the wing covered, and how is the wash
> out. if the wing is not covered you can take it out with the shrinking of
> the fabric. You could take the spar out with heat but it does not seem
> like much.
>
> John Oakley
>
>
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cirrus10
> Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 7:34 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: wing spars
>
> Actually, it's bowed on the shear of the insert, so it is up and down.
> The wing was factory built. There is no actual damage, but a slow bow
> from one end to the other.
> What's the possibility of removing that spar with heat?
>
> Regards,
> Ed
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ron Liebmann
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 7:08 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: wing spars
>
>
> Hi Ed,
> As I read your note, as you look down the spar with the web vertical, the
> bend goes either to the right or left depending.....is this correct?
> Is the wing completely built?
> Send digital pics to the list if ya can....
> Ron N55KF
>
> I am the second owner of a 6 in which the previous owner did very little
> constructionwise, and am at the point of attaching the wings. One of
> wings fore spars has a bend on the vertical (perpendicular to the shear of
> the insert). It is a continuous bend from end to end, and is 3/16" - 1/4"
> at the apex. I carefully inspected the rivets and glue joints on that
> spar and see nothing unusual.
> Problem? Do I need to replace the spar?
>
> Thanks for any advice,
> Ed
>
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Discover fun and games at @ http://xtramsn.co.nz/kids
>
>
>
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MessageNoel,
I meant for removal purposes, but that info is good to know,. Thanks.
Regards,
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: Noel Loveys
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 4:46 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: wing spars
Never heat structural aluminium! ..... Not and use it again.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cirrus10
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 11:04 PM
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: wing spars
Actually, it's bowed on the shear of the insert, so it is up and
down. The wing was factory built. There is no actual damage, but a
slow bow from one end to the other.
What's the possibility of removing that spar with heat?
Regards,
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Liebmann
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 7:08 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: wing spars
Hi Ed,
As I read your note, as you look down the spar with the web
vertical, the bend goes either to the right or left depending.....is
this correct?
Is the wing completely built?
Send digital pics to the list if ya can....
Ron N55KF
I am the second owner of a 6 in which the previous owner did
very little constructionwise, and am at the point of attaching the
wings. One of wings fore spars has a bend on the vertical
(perpendicular to the shear of the insert). It is a continuous bend
from end to end, and is 3/16" - 1/4" at the apex. I carefully inspected
the rivets and glue joints on that spar and see nothing unusual.
Problem? Do I need to replace the spar?
Thanks for any advice,
Ed
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Ed,
Lay the wing upside down to help remove the bow. Place the leading edge in
position, and then run continuous tape top and bottom of the leading edge.
Sorry if I am pushy, I built several of these guys and learned a bunch. (ok,
sometimes I think I am an expert) just slap me.
John Oakley
_____
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cirrus10
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 7:08 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: wing spars
John,
No, the leading edge is not on. I,ll try some clamping with the leading
edge, and see if I can get some of the bow out. Thanks.
Regards,
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: John Oakley <mailto:john@leptron.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 10:26 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: wing spars
Ed,
Is the leading edge on now? Removing and replacing this might fix the
problem. Don't panic yet, it does not seem bad.
John Oakley
_____
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cirrus10
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: wing spars
Actually, it's bowed on the shear of the insert, so it is up and down. The
wing was factory built. There is no actual damage, but a slow bow from one
end to the other.
What's the possibility of removing that spar with heat?
Regards,
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Liebmann <mailto:rliebmann@comcast.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 7:08 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: wing spars
Hi Ed,
As I read your note, as you look down the spar with the web vertical, the
bend goes either to the right or left depending.....is this correct?
Is the wing completely built?
Send digital pics to the list if ya can....
Ron N55KF
I am the second owner of a 6 in which the previous owner did very little
constructionwise, and am at the point of attaching the wings. One of wings
fore spars has a bend on the vertical (perpendicular to the shear of the
insert). It is a continuous bend from end to end, and is 3/16" - 1/4" at
the apex. I carefully inspected the rivets and glue joints on that spar and
see nothing unusual.
Problem? Do I need to replace the spar?
Thanks for any advice,
Ed
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Ed,
The stringers that hold the false ribs may hold the problem also, I assume
they are in.
John Oakley
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Oakley
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 7:39 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: wing spars
Ed,
Lay the wing upside down to help remove the bow. Place the leading edge in
position, and then run continuous tape top and bottom of the leading edge.
Sorry if I am pushy, I built several of these guys and learned a bunch. (ok,
sometimes I think I am an expert) just slap me.
John Oakley
_____
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cirrus10
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 7:08 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: wing spars
John,
No, the leading edge is not on. I,ll try some clamping with the leading
edge, and see if I can get some of the bow out. Thanks.
Regards,
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: John Oakley <mailto:john@leptron.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 10:26 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: wing spars
Ed,
Is the leading edge on now? Removing and replacing this might fix the
problem. Don't panic yet, it does not seem bad.
John Oakley
_____
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cirrus10
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: wing spars
Actually, it's bowed on the shear of the insert, so it is up and down. The
wing was factory built. There is no actual damage, but a slow bow from one
end to the other.
What's the possibility of removing that spar with heat?
Regards,
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Liebmann <mailto:rliebmann@comcast.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 7:08 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: wing spars
Hi Ed,
As I read your note, as you look down the spar with the web vertical, the
bend goes either to the right or left depending.....is this correct?
Is the wing completely built?
Send digital pics to the list if ya can....
Ron N55KF
I am the second owner of a 6 in which the previous owner did very little
constructionwise, and am at the point of attaching the wings. One of wings
fore spars has a bend on the vertical (perpendicular to the shear of the
insert). It is a continuous bend from end to end, and is 3/16" - 1/4" at
the apex. I carefully inspected the rivets and glue joints on that spar and
see nothing unusual.
Problem? Do I need to replace the spar?
Thanks for any advice,
Ed
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On the contrary John. I'm not into reinventing the wheel, and you're
expertise is always appreciated. The stringer is installed on the top
only. Thanks again.
Regards,
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: John Oakley
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 7:39 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: wing spars
Ed,
Lay the wing upside down to help remove the bow. Place the leading
edge in position, and then run continuous tape top and bottom of the
leading edge.
Sorry if I am pushy, I built several of these guys and learned a
bunch. (ok, sometimes I think I am an expert) just slap me.
John Oakley
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cirrus10
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 7:08 AM
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: wing spars
John,
No, the leading edge is not on. I,ll try some clamping with the
leading edge, and see if I can get some of the bow out. Thanks.
Regards,
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: John Oakley
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 10:26 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: wing spars
Ed,
Is the leading edge on now? Removing and replacing this might fix
the problem. Don't panic yet, it does not seem bad.
John Oakley
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cirrus10
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 7:34 PM
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: wing spars
Actually, it's bowed on the shear of the insert, so it is up and
down. The wing was factory built. There is no actual damage, but a
slow bow from one end to the other.
What's the possibility of removing that spar with heat?
Regards,
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Liebmann
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 7:08 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: wing spars
Hi Ed,
As I read your note, as you look down the spar with the web
vertical, the bend goes either to the right or left depending.....is
this correct?
Is the wing completely built?
Send digital pics to the list if ya can....
Ron N55KF
I am the second owner of a 6 in which the previous owner did
very little constructionwise, and am at the point of attaching the
wings. One of wings fore spars has a bend on the vertical
(perpendicular to the shear of the insert). It is a continuous bend
from end to end, and is 3/16" - 1/4" at the apex. I carefully inspected
the rivets and glue joints on that spar and see nothing unusual.
Problem? Do I need to replace the spar?
Thanks for any advice,
Ed
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
At 06:02 AM 8/30/2006, you wrote:
>To remove the spar is the next question. Would you suggest heating the tube
>and prying it away from the ribs?
You don't really heat the tube, just the adhesive where the ribs bond.
(Although if you're going to toss the tube you could just blow a torch down
the middle, get the tube nice and hot, and then pull it off in one shot. Neat.)
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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Hi Ed,
I think I have the whole picture now,
The area with the insert is not bowed permanently because the insert is
straight. So the problem was in jigging. The worse case scenario is taking
off the upper stringer and rigging the wing to re install the stringers and
leading edge. I have never seen a bent spar unless is damaged so no worry
there. Both Dan and Phil were both very careful in their selection and
inspection of materials. One more question, is the wood varnished?
John Oakley
_____
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cirrus10
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 8:40 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: wing spars
On the contrary John. I'm not into reinventing the wheel, and you're
expertise is always appreciated. The stringer is installed on the top only.
Thanks again.
Regards,
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: John Oakley <mailto:john@leptron.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 7:39 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: wing spars
Ed,
Lay the wing upside down to help remove the bow. Place the leading edge in
position, and then run continuous tape top and bottom of the leading edge.
Sorry if I am pushy, I built several of these guys and learned a bunch. (ok,
sometimes I think I am an expert) just slap me.
John Oakley
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rueb, Duane" <ruebd@skymail.csus.edu>
Gentlemen:
If you degrade an aircraft structural member by heating it,
please be sure it never gets into the hands of someone who may want to
use it for it's original purpose. None of us would want to ever be
'fooled' by assuming that a piece of aircraft metal is as marked if it
isn't.
This may seem trivial, but if you were fooled by assuming that a
piece of aircraft metal was in it's marked condition and then used it in
your baby, and then --- , well, you see what I mean. Either cut off the
heated (altered) portion or clearly mark the piece as altered and no
longer useable for aircraft construction.
Duane Rueb
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Guy
Buchanan
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 7:46 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: wing spars
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
At 06:02 AM 8/30/2006, you wrote:
>To remove the spar is the next question. Would you suggest heating the
tube
>and prying it away from the ribs?
You don't really heat the tube, just the adhesive where the ribs bond.
(Although if you're going to toss the tue you could just blow a torch
down
the middle, get the tube nice and hot, and then pull it off in one shot.
Neat.)
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Galt" <johngalt.0@gmail.com>
Mike:
Please send me the specifics as well. I already sent you an e-mail off list about
your kitfox for sale. Thanks!
-John johngalt.0 (at) gmail.com
--------
John Galt - johngalt.0 (@) gmail.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=58519#58519
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Hi,
My wings were factory built and when I was setting up to attach them
it became obvious that the front spar would have to be bent to have
the attachment pin pass vertically through the center of the spar. I
called the factory before continuing and was told not to bent the
spar at all but to drill off center. Looks odd but that is what they
told me to do. I am curious as to whether your spars have the correct
separation at the inboard end. Perhaps the previous owner introduced
a bend to correct the same sort of problem I had with my quick build
wings.
Hank
On Aug 29, 2006, at 6:14 PM, cirrus10 wrote:
> I am the second owner of a 6 in which the previous owner did very
> little constructionwise, and am at the point of attaching the
> wings. One of wings fore spars has a bend on the vertical
> (perpendicular to the shear of the insert). It is a continuous
> bend from end to end, and is 3/16" - 1/4" at the apex. I carefully
> inspected the rivets and glue joints on that spar and see nothing
> unusual.
> Problem? Do I need to replace the spar?
>
> Thanks for any advice,
> Ed
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
With that tiny bid of bend, it's probably just from the way it was glued and
I doubt it would ever cause any sort of problem or even be perceptible when
covered. As someone said, use the fabric shrinking to straighten it.
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: "cirrus10" <cirrus10@qwest.net>
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 9:02 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: wing spars
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "cirrus10" <cirrus10@qwest.net>
>
> You're correct, parallel not perpendicular.
> To remove the spar is the next question. Would you suggest heating the
tube
> and prying it away from the ribs? Thanks.
>
> Regards,
> Ed
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Guy Buchanan" <bnn@nethere.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 8:03 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: wing spars
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
> >
> > At 04:14 PM 8/29/2006, you wrote:
> >>I am the second owner of a 6 in which the previous owner did very little
> >>constructionwise, and am at the point of attaching the wings. One of
> >>wings fore spars has a bend on the vertical (perpendicular to the shear
of
> >>the insert). It is a continuous bend from end to end, and is 3/16" -
1/4"
> >>at the apex. I carefully inspected the rivets and glue joints on that
> >>spar and see nothing unusual.
> >>Problem? Do I need to replace the spar?
> >
> > Since you're at the point of attaching the wings that means they're
> > assembled without strut fittings. It also means the bend must be
vertical,
> > (which you state,) since a horizontal bend would be evident in both
spars.
> > (The ribs should force the spars to be parallel, though it's certainly
> > possible they were installed with a bow in the forward spar.) However, a
> > vertical bend should be in the plane of the shear web of the insert, not
> > perpendicular to it. The shear web should be a vertical "I" beam. Some
> > clarification is required.
> >
> > Given the bend is vertical, and about 3/16 - 1/4", you then have almost
> > 1/2 degree twist in the wing just due to the bend. If so, you may be
able
> > to trim the aircraft with the struts, but you're stall behavior will
> > probably be less than desirable. Not to mention your aircraft will look
> > like crap to the naked eye. (You'd be surprised how easy it is to see
> > unnatural deformations.) I vote replace the spar. (I'd bend it back if
the
> > shear web weren't installed. There's too much of a risk of de-bonding
the
> > shear web with it installed.)
> >
> >
> > Guy Buchanan
> > K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Hank,
One of the first measurements I made were the tube distances, and they
were both the same, 27.5" c to c.
Thanks.
Regards,
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: Hank
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 10:06 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: wing spars
Hi,
My wings were factory built and when I was setting up to attach them
it became obvious that the front spar would have to be bent to have the
attachment pin pass vertically through the center of the spar. I called
the factory before continuing and was told not to bent the spar at all
but to drill off center. Looks odd but that is what they told me to do.
I am curious as to whether your spars have the correct separation at the
inboard end. Perhaps the previous owner introduced a bend to correct the
same sort of problem I had with my quick build wings.
Hank
On Aug 29, 2006, at 6:14 PM, cirrus10 wrote:
I am the second owner of a 6 in which the previous owner did very
little constructionwise, and am at the point of attaching the wings.
One of wings fore spars has a bend on the vertical (perpendicular to the
shear of the insert). It is a continuous bend from end to end, and is
3/16" - 1/4" at the apex. I carefully inspected the rivets and glue
joints on that spar and see nothing unusual.
Problem? Do I need to replace the spar?
Thanks for any advice,
Ed
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "cirrus10" <cirrus10@qwest.net>
Thanks Duane, good advice.
Regards,
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rueb, Duane" <ruebd@skymail.csus.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 9:43 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: wing spars
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rueb, Duane" <ruebd@skymail.csus.edu>
>
> Gentlemen:
>
> If you degrade an aircraft structural member by heating it,
> please be sure it never gets into the hands of someone who may want to
> use it for it's original purpose. None of us would want to ever be
> 'fooled' by assuming that a piece of aircraft metal is as marked if it
> isn't.
> This may seem trivial, but if you were fooled by assuming that a
> piece of aircraft metal was in it's marked condition and then used it in
> your baby, and then --- , well, you see what I mean. Either cut off the
> heated (altered) portion or clearly mark the piece as altered and no
> longer useable for aircraft construction.
>
> Duane Rueb
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Guy
> Buchanan
> Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 7:46 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: wing spars
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
>
> At 06:02 AM 8/30/2006, you wrote:
>>To remove the spar is the next question. Would you suggest heating the
> tube
>>and prying it away from the ribs?
>
> You don't really heat the tube, just the adhesive where the ribs bond.
> (Although if you're going to toss the tue you could just blow a torch
> down
> the middle, get the tube nice and hot, and then pull it off in one shot.
> Neat.)
>
>
> Guy Buchanan
> K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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John,
No, not varnished. I will take your advice and reglue the stringer.
Regards,
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: John Oakley
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 9:18 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: wing spars
Hi Ed,
I think I have the whole picture now,
The area with the insert is not bowed permanently because the insert
is straight. So the problem was in jigging. The worse case scenario is
taking off the upper stringer and rigging the wing to re install the
stringers and leading edge. I have never seen a bent spar unless is
damaged so no worry there. Both Dan and Phil were both very careful in
their selection and inspection of materials. One more question, is the
wood varnished?
John Oakley
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cirrus10
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 8:40 AM
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: wing spars
On the contrary John. I'm not into reinventing the wheel, and you're
expertise is always appreciated. The stringer is installed on the top
only. Thanks again.
Regards,
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: John Oakley
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 7:39 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: wing spars
Ed,
Lay the wing upside down to help remove the bow. Place the leading
edge in position, and then run continuous tape top and bottom of the
leading edge.
Sorry if I am pushy, I built several of these guys and learned a
bunch. (ok, sometimes I think I am an expert) just slap me.
John Oakley
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "cirrus10" <cirrus10@qwest.net>
Thanks Deke.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 10:09 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: wing spars
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>
> With that tiny bid of bend, it's probably just from the way it was glued
> and
> I doubt it would ever cause any sort of problem or even be perceptible
> when
> covered. As someone said, use the fabric shrinking to straighten it.
> Deke
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "cirrus10" <cirrus10@qwest.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 9:02 AM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: wing spars
>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "cirrus10" <cirrus10@qwest.net>
>>
>> You're correct, parallel not perpendicular.
>> To remove the spar is the next question. Would you suggest heating the
> tube
>> and prying it away from the ribs? Thanks.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Ed
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Guy Buchanan" <bnn@nethere.com>
>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 8:03 PM
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: wing spars
>>
>>
>> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
>> >
>> > At 04:14 PM 8/29/2006, you wrote:
>> >>I am the second owner of a 6 in which the previous owner did very
>> >>little
>> >>constructionwise, and am at the point of attaching the wings. One of
>> >>wings fore spars has a bend on the vertical (perpendicular to the shear
> of
>> >>the insert). It is a continuous bend from end to end, and is 3/16" -
> 1/4"
>> >>at the apex. I carefully inspected the rivets and glue joints on that
>> >>spar and see nothing unusual.
>> >>Problem? Do I need to replace the spar?
>> >
>> > Since you're at the point of attaching the wings that means they're
>> > assembled without strut fittings. It also means the bend must be
> vertical,
>> > (which you state,) since a horizontal bend would be evident in both
> spars.
>> > (The ribs should force the spars to be parallel, though it's certainly
>> > possible they were installed with a bow in the forward spar.) However,
>> > a
>> > vertical bend should be in the plane of the shear web of the insert,
>> > not
>> > perpendicular to it. The shear web should be a vertical "I" beam. Some
>> > clarification is required.
>> >
>> > Given the bend is vertical, and about 3/16 - 1/4", you then have almost
>> > 1/2 degree twist in the wing just due to the bend. If so, you may be
> able
>> > to trim the aircraft with the struts, but you're stall behavior will
>> > probably be less than desirable. Not to mention your aircraft will look
>> > like crap to the naked eye. (You'd be surprised how easy it is to see
>> > unnatural deformations.) I vote replace the spar. (I'd bend it back if
> the
>> > shear web weren't installed. There's too much of a risk of de-bonding
> the
>> > shear web with it installed.)
>> >
>> >
>> > Guy Buchanan
>> > K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "cirrus10" <cirrus10@qwest.net>
Thanks Guy, good info.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Guy Buchanan" <bnn@nethere.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 8:46 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: wing spars
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
>
> At 06:02 AM 8/30/2006, you wrote:
>>To remove the spar is the next question. Would you suggest heating the
>>tube
>>and prying it away from the ribs?
>
> You don't really heat the tube, just the adhesive where the ribs bond.
> (Although if you're going to toss the tube you could just blow a torch
> down the middle, get the tube nice and hot, and then pull it off in one
> shot. Neat.)
>
>
> Guy Buchanan
> K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
>
>
>
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Sorry about that Ed As I got deeper into the thread this morning it
became
evident that you were trying to soften the epoxy to remove the ribs. I
just
got back to the 'puter tonight.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cirrus10
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 10:40 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: wing spars
Noel,
I meant for removal purposes, but that info is good to know,. Thanks.
Regards,
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: Noel <mailto:noelloveys@yahoo.ca> Loveys
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 4:46 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: wing spars
Never heat structural aluminium! ..... Not and use it again.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cirrus10
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 11:04 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: wing spars
Actually, it's bowed on the shear of the insert, so it is up and down.
The
wing was factory built. There is no actual damage, but a slow bow from
one
end to the other.
What's the possibility of removing that spar with heat?
Regards,
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron <mailto:rliebmann@comcast.net> Liebmann
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 7:08 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: wing spars
Hi Ed,
As I read your note, as you look down the spar with the web vertical,
the
bend goes either to the right or left depending.....is this correct?
Is the wing completely built?
Send digital pics to the list if ya can....
Ron N55KF
I am the second owner of a 6 in which the previous owner did very little
constructionwise, and am at the point of attaching the wings. One of
wings
fore spars has a bend on the vertical (perpendicular to the shear of the
insert). It is a continuous bend from end to end, and is 3/16" - 1/4"
at
the apex. I carefully inspected the rivets and glue joints on that spar
and
see nothing unusual.
Problem? Do I need to replace the spar?
Thanks for any advice,
Ed
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----- Original Message -----
From: Noel Loveys
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 7:34 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: wing spars
Sorry about that Ed As I got deeper into the thread this morning it
became evident that you were trying to soften the epoxy to remove the
ribs. I just got back to the 'puter tonight.
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Having just gone through the removing spars thing (rear in my case). The
Hysol currently used is far less sensitive to heat than the older 3M
material.
With my soldering gun and a cutting tip I could simply carve away the
3M, but the Hysol was a bear from beginning to end. I'm not sure I would
trouble to fix such a slight bow but I'd seek the advice of John McBean.
They've been very helpful with my questions. Now if only there were a
less costly way to ship a really long box between countries.
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MessageNot a problem. Just thanks to you and everyone else who has
emailed.
Regards,
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: Noel Loveys
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 4:34 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: wing spars
Sorry about that Ed As I got deeper into the thread this morning it
became evident that you were trying to soften the epoxy to remove the
ribs. I just got back to the 'puter tonight.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cirrus10
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 10:40 AM
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: wing spars
Noel,
I meant for removal purposes, but that info is good to know,.
Thanks.
Regards,
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: Noel Loveys
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 4:46 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: wing spars
Never heat structural aluminium! ..... Not and use it again.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cirrus10
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 11:04 PM
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: wing spars
Actually, it's bowed on the shear of the insert, so it is up and
down. The wing was factory built. There is no actual damage, but a
slow bow from one end to the other.
What's the possibility of removing that spar with heat?
Regards,
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Liebmann
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 7:08 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: wing spars
Hi Ed,
As I read your note, as you look down the spar with the web
vertical, the bend goes either to the right or left depending.....is
this correct?
Is the wing completely built?
Send digital pics to the list if ya can....
Ron N55KF
I am the second owner of a 6 in which the previous owner did
very little constructionwise, and am at the point of attaching the
wings. One of wings fore spars has a bend on the vertical
(perpendicular to the shear of the insert). It is a continuous bend
from end to end, and is 3/16" - 1/4" at the apex. I carefully inspected
the rivets and glue joints on that spar and see nothing unusual.
Problem? Do I need to replace the spar?
Thanks for any advice,
Ed
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MessageLucky for me that it's the leading edge spar. I think I will be
able to pry it as I'm using the heat. Thanks again for the help.
Regards,
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave G.
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 5:18 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: wing spars
----- Original Message -----
From: Noel Loveys
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 7:34 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: wing spars
Sorry about that Ed As I got deeper into the thread this morning it
became evident that you were trying to soften the epoxy to remove the
ribs. I just got back to the 'puter tonight.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
---
Having just gone through the removing spars thing (rear in my case).
The Hysol currently used is far less sensitive to heat than the older 3M
material.
With my soldering gun and a cutting tip I could simply carve away the
3M, but the Hysol was a bear from beginning to end. I'm not sure I would
trouble to fix such a slight bow but I'd seek the advice of John McBean.
They've been very helpful with my questions. Now if only there were a
less costly way to ship a really long box between countries.
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| Subject: | Type of Aircraft |
Series 5
EA81 140hp (RAM Performance) NSI CAP
Dogwood Airpark VA42 Fredericksburg, VA
Mike Logan
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kirkhull
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 10:37 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Type of Aircraft
How about adding your location as well?
Kirk with a classic VI powered by a stratus Subaru and located in Kansas
city Missouri / 0N0
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Smythe
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 9:05 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Type of Aircraft
Classic IV w/ 582 Gray Head. Tail Dragger
Don Smythe
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912 Xtra |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Michael Logan" <michael.logan@cox.net>
I have many friends that have that mod and they love it. The guy that
developed it is one of my neighbors in the airpark. He is kind of a jerk
but he did a real good job on the kit. His pulsar has been running the
912Xtra for many years and never a hiccup. They run it at full throttle all
the time without any problems.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dcsfoto
Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 9:54 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Rotax 912 Xtra
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "dcsfoto" <david@kelm.com>
anyone done this mod
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=57665#57665
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| Subject: | Re: Demo ride in So. California? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "rudderdancer" <jhenryhall@mac.com>
Thank you all for the info. I did do a search of the forum, but couldn't find
anything that would help.
I live in Victorville, CA which is in the high desert, same one Edwards AFB is
in.
I'll keep looking and if anyone knows of someone who's willing, I'll be glad to
pay expenses (gas, lunch). I do have an offer from Scott Patterson for sometime
in October.
Also, I'll be searching for a reasonably priced Kitfox or Avid, doesn't need to
be an award winner.
Regards,
Jack
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