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1. 04:28 AM - Re: Jabiru 2200 conversion (Mike Chaney)
2. 05:10 AM - Re: Jabiru 2200 conversion (Algate)
3. 03:13 PM - Fuel feed problem (Roger McConnell)
4. 05:17 PM - Re: Fuel feed problem (Torgeir Mortensen)
5. 05:40 PM - Bent Model IV for sale (willett)
6. 06:14 PM - KITFOX PARTS AND OTHER AIRCRAFT PARTS FOR SALE UPDATE: (wingsdown)
7. 06:26 PM - Re: Jabiru 2200 conversion (Malcolmbru@aol.com)
8. 06:52 PM - Re: Fuel feed problem (Guy Buchanan)
9. 07:22 PM - Re: Fuel feed problem (Roger McConnell)
10. 08:05 PM - Re: 912 ul compression? (John Banes)
11. 11:32 PM - Official Kitfox-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
12. 11:32 PM - Official Kitfox-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | Jabiru 2200 conversion |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mike Chaney <mdps_mc@SWOCA.NET>
I did this conversion on a Model IV. The cowling work is the most
difficult. I left the aft cowling pretty much the same except for a little
bit of work on the aft bottom cowling in the exhaust area. I had to extend
the round bump cowling about five inches and widen it by splitting the top
and bottom in half. This past winter I made a brand new bump cowling which
took considerable time but it does look really nice. I have a few pics on
the Jabiru USA website.
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Subject: Kitfox-List: Jabiru 2200 conversion
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "dcsfoto" <david@kelm.com>
I have a Rotax 912 14 yr old and want to swap to a 2200 Jabiru at overhaul
time.
Has anyone done this on a MIII round cowl ? how hard is it to do
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=58825#58825
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| Subject: | Jabiru 2200 conversion |
Hi
Here are a few photos of the cowl on my Model4 with Jab 2200.
The main changes on this installation relate to a bump on the Pass side
front cowl (about 4" x 2" to clear the No.1 rocker cover and cut outs in the
ring cowl to fit the inlets in the to ram air ducts. The rest of the front
opening is closed using clear lexan so that the cowling is not pressurized.
There is also additional opening and some aluminum fairings in the bottom of
the cowl to allow sufficient air flow through the cowl.
Like Michel my CHT and oil temps run on the low side of recommended
operating range.
If you would like more detailed photos I would be happy to send them off
line
Regards
Gary Algate
Model4 Jab2200
I have a Rotax 912 14 yr old and want to swap to a 2200 Jabiru at overhaul
time.
Has anyone done this on a MIII round cowl ? how hard is it to do
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| Subject: | Fuel feed problem |
I'm trying to understand if I have a problem or not. The fuel from the left
wing tank is being emptied before the fuel in the right tank even starts to
go down in my Model 7. Last week end after putting 5 gallons in each tank;
I notice that almost all the fuel had some how migrated over to the right
tank and only about two gallon was showing in the left. I made a couple of
steep turns to the left to try to get the fuel to run back over to the left
wing but nothing seems to happen. I'm really not too concerned about it I
just can't figure out why the fuel seem to migrate over to the right wing.
Even after the plane sits on level ground for several days the fuel still
will not equalize in each tank. Is it possible that the vent line from the
header tank to the right wing tank is pinched and only allowing fuel flow
from the left tank first? Will the fuel begin to flow from the right tank
after the left tank is completely empty? Opinions please.
Roger Mac
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel feed problem |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Torgeir Mortensen" <torgemor@online.no>
Hi Roger,
Very interesting report.
Over the years, the fuel system have been some modified. The latter was to
remove the wing valves. IMHO. -a wrong decision..
Well, the fact is that the "pitot" pressure from each wing tank might
"differ" some. Realizing this, it's easy to see that fuel might be
transported from "high" pressure side to "lo" pressure side. I.E. the
differential pressure will transferee fuel (via the header tank) to the
other tank.
OK., how could the pressure differ? The fact is - the wing profile might
be "slightly" different in the position where the "cap pitot" is located.
Second, the "cap pitot" might be slightly higher, a little bit more aft,
or a little bit forward of the "other" side -and this will make different
tank pressure.
Also -a well blocked tube "can" create such symptom, but seldom like this,
it's more like "not possible" to get fuel from that side situation.
If this problem is due to differential pressure, a ?cross vented? system
will solve the problem, -also the reinstallation of the wing tank valves
will cure such a problem!! Besides, if you park in a slope (the aircraft
is banked some), fuel will transfer and drain out via the lo wing side.
If you fly in rough airfield you?ll know....
Well, check your tank vents (tank pitot), also try to find that they are
in same relative position..
The best method to use is to measure the wing tank pressure, -I'm sure
they are different.
Well, first check your "pitot vent" and the cap gasket (very important as
this "outside" area of wing has lo pressure).
Ok., good luck.
Torgeir.
On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 00:09:27 +0200, Roger McConnell <rdmac@swbell.net>
wrote:
> I'm trying to understand if I have a problem or not. The fuel from the
> left
> wing tank is being emptied before the fuel in the right tank even starts
> to
> go down in my Model 7. Last week end after putting 5 gallons in each
> tank;
> I notice that almost all the fuel had some how migrated over to the right
> tank and only about two gallon was showing in the left. I made a couple
> of
> steep turns to the left to try to get the fuel to run back over to the
> left
> wing but nothing seems to happen. I'm really not too concerned about it I
> just can't figure out why the fuel seem to migrate over to the right
> wing.
> Even after the plane sits on level ground for several days the fuel still
> will not equalize in each tank. Is it possible that the vent line from
> the
> header tank to the right wing tank is pinched and only allowing fuel flow
> from the left tank first? Will the fuel begin to flow from the right tank
> after the left tank is completely empty? Opinions please.
>
>
> Roger Mac
>
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| Subject: | Bent Model IV for sale |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: willett <willett@bwn.net>
I have a Model IV with bent wings and fuselage for sale. NSI E81
engine in perfect condition as are radio, transponder, compass, VSI,
airspeed, interior, 5 gal custom aluminum header tank (behind seat) ,
battery, elt, grove landing gear (drilled for brake lines), maule
tailwheel, wheels, tires, brakes, doors, much more. In Colorado.
Any body on the list interested? Email off list for more info or
phone number if you want to talk.
Mike W
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| Subject: | KITFOX PARTS AND OTHER AIRCRAFT PARTS FOR SALE UPDATE: |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "wingsdown" <wingsdown@comcast.net>
KITFOX PARTS AND OTHER AIRCRAFT PARTS FOR SALE UPDATE: 090106
Custom air oil separators as seen on sportflight pic post $150.00
each......................both for 250
CAP 140 complete hub assembly for NSI redrive, may fit others, no blades
$1,500 OBO.............
E.I digital EGT instrument, no probe $180 each or both for
$300.00....................
Hand held radio Yaesu VXA-200. This was there top of the line model and
should be compared to same now, has altitude,density altitude,pressure
alt. Temp, VOR heading plus extra Nmhi battery and programming software
and cable, list was over $600.00 sell for $350.00....................
COM/nav antenna model VHF5-1 by AAE thin flat composite style list $125
sell for $85.00..................SOLD
Intercom by PS Engineering model PM1000II with digital cockpit record
option $300.00..................
Electric clock model MD-90 $60.00.....................
Electric servo/ jack screw assembly $500.00 OBO..................
Wheel pant left side only painted ready to mount or repaint
$50.00............
VDO gages:
2 1/8 tack , water temp,oil pressure, boost, large RPM 3 1/8 maybe 1/4,
EGT make offer..............
Cargo bay bag with aluminum custom fit bottom, no sagging. $95.00
.........................SOLD
Horizontal Stabilator faired strut braces pair $100.00.................
SOLD
Custom super trapp exhaust system. Will require the welding of a 3 bolt
flange to exhaust down pipe. $300.00 Pics on request....................
EA-81 turbo engine parts, blocks, engine mounts left and right, cranks,
rods, push rods, heads, cams, open price to be set, accepting
offers................
NSI alternator pulley New $60.00.......................
SS flight controls all factory parts available in excellent
condition....................
Carbon monoxide by coguardian. Plugs into lighter socket audible plus
digital level indicator. They have a web site. $99.00 ...............
Bendix/King fin type transponder antenna with ground plane plate
$50.00.....................
Airborne vacuum regulator valve model 2H3-23 #9AK FAA PMA list $728.00
in ACS catalog make offer..................
Airborne filter mount with filter best offer.............
Wood pistol grips modified one short on passenger PIC side regular
length with PTTs $50.00 both..................
Mr. Funnel large for water seperation funnel filling of fuel
$20.00...............
Remote PTT $5.00 with other purchse..............
Cessna dual vacuume gage with pop up no vac indicators can be used on
single system PN C668519-0101 $35.00............
Tire or tyre front Aero classic 11X4.00-5 8ply with new tube
$40.00......................
Cockpit light with flood or spot adjustment (model S1990) with red or
white light adjustment, with dim bright adjustment manufactured by
soderberg $55.00.......................
Landing light pulse unit. This is a CODE 3 unit model 700 which will
pulse or run steady, switch able $30.00. Beats the heck out of STC
units...........SOLD
Thanks so much
Rick
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru 2200 conversion |
the pics are cool BUT tell me more about the hanger. can I get one? mal
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel feed problem |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
At 05:16 PM 9/1/2006, you wrote:
>Realizing this, it's easy to see that fuel might be
>transported from "high" pressure side to "lo" pressure side. I.E. the
>differential pressure will transferee fuel (via the header tank) to the
>other tank.
I ran some numbers. If there's a 4 inch difference in surface height
between the two tanks, that corresponds to about 0.1 psi pressure head.
That pressure head corresponds to about 75 mph differential velocity
between the two pitot vents. In my case that would mean one pitot was
blocked completely! (Which we know would be a problem.) I'd guess you'd
never get more than 10% velocity variation between the two pitot.
(Remember, any variation would have to be extremely local, else you'd get a
lift variation between the two wings and subsequent roll.)
Since the tanks are about 60" apart, center to center, it takes about 1
degree of roll to generate 1" of pressure head. (That's about 7" difference
in wing-tip height.) You'd therefore have to fly around with 4 degrees of
roll, (28" at the tip,) to empty one tank. That's pretty extreme.
What does it all mean? I HAVE NO IDEA! (My tanks don't equalize either so
I'm trying to figure it out - for purely academic purposes, you understand.)
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Fuel feed problem |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Roger McConnell" <rdmac@swbell.net>
Torgeir,
Thanks for your comments. I will check the cap pitot/vents for
blockage and also for a bad cap gasket, but other than that I don't see how
I could have a pressure differential. They are identical and are located in
identical locations on each wing. If the problem persists, I may try folding
the right wing and checking the fitting where the vent tube from the header
tank attaches to the right tank. That fitting is straight and the tube has
to make a pretty sharp 90 degree bend and it maybe pinched going into that
fitting. I do have valves on each tank but they stay OPEN. I use a master
valve on the consol to shut off the fuel supply.....thanks again
Roger
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Torgeir
Mortensen
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 7:17 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fuel feed problem
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Torgeir Mortensen" <torgemor@online.no>
Hi Roger,
Very interesting report.
Over the years, the fuel system have been some modified. The latter was to
remove the wing valves. IMHO. -a wrong decision..
Well, the fact is that the "pitot" pressure from each wing tank might
"differ" some. Realizing this, it's easy to see that fuel might be
transported from "high" pressure side to "lo" pressure side. I.E. the
differential pressure will transferee fuel (via the header tank) to the
other tank.
OK., how could the pressure differ? The fact is - the wing profile might
be "slightly" different in the position where the "cap pitot" is located.
Second, the "cap pitot" might be slightly higher, a little bit more aft,
or a little bit forward of the "other" side -and this will make different
tank pressure.
Also -a well blocked tube "can" create such symptom, but seldom like this,
it's more like "not possible" to get fuel from that side situation.
If this problem is due to differential pressure, a ?cross vented? system
will solve the problem, -also the reinstallation of the wing tank valves
will cure such a problem!! Besides, if you park in a slope (the aircraft
is banked some), fuel will transfer and drain out via the lo wing side.
If you fly in rough airfield you?ll know....
Well, check your tank vents (tank pitot), also try to find that they are
in same relative position..
The best method to use is to measure the wing tank pressure, -I'm sure
they are different.
Well, first check your "pitot vent" and the cap gasket (very important as
this "outside" area of wing has lo pressure).
Ok., good luck.
Torgeir.
On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 00:09:27 +0200, Roger McConnell <rdmac@swbell.net>
wrote:
> I'm trying to understand if I have a problem or not. The fuel from the
> left
> wing tank is being emptied before the fuel in the right tank even starts
> to
> go down in my Model 7. Last week end after putting 5 gallons in each
> tank;
> I notice that almost all the fuel had some how migrated over to the right
> tank and only about two gallon was showing in the left. I made a couple
> of
> steep turns to the left to try to get the fuel to run back over to the
> left
> wing but nothing seems to happen. I'm really not too concerned about it I
> just can't figure out why the fuel seem to migrate over to the right
> wing.
> Even after the plane sits on level ground for several days the fuel still
> will not equalize in each tank. Is it possible that the vent line from
> the
> header tank to the right wing tank is pinched and only allowing fuel flow
> from the left tank first? Will the fuel begin to flow from the right tank
> after the left tank is completely empty? Opinions please.
>
>
> Roger Mac
>
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| Subject: | 912 ul compression? |
Hello Jay,
I had a similar experience. While hand propping the 912ULS prior to flight
I noticed no compression on one of the cylinders. I spoke to a mechanic at
Lockwood Aviation who said that occasionally an intake valve which has a
hydraulic lifter will not open while hand propping. However, once the engine
is rotated a sufficient speed the oil pressure in the lifter is restored and
the engine runs fine.
Regards,
John
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Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 10:03 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: 912 ul compression?
Question?
I was at the airport today to go over my Kitfox, and I rotated the prop in
the proper direction to pump up the oil. It has been a week so I like to
keep it up top.
The problem is, I noticed that the prop spun VERY easy, with not much
compression. It was 70 deg outside, and I get some sort of compresion
stroke probably on one or two clynders, other than that it used to be hard
to prop by hand all the way around. 140 hours TT. It starts and runs fine
and within temps, mags ok too.
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caused problems due to common things like "user is unknown", "mailbox
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I have a file of such things, that I typically use to contact you when
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*** Realtime Web Email List Browsing ***
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Recent messages posted to the Kitfox-List are also made available on
the Web for realtime browsing. Seven days worth of back postings are
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content. The Forums contain all of the same content available via the email
distribution and found on the various archive viewing formats such as the
List Browse, etc. Any posts on the web Forums will be cross posted to the
respective email List, and posts to the Email List will be cross posted to
the web Forums.
You may view all List content on the Forums without any special login.
If you wish to post a message via the Web Forum interface, however, you
will need to Register. This is a simple process that takes only a few
minutes. A link to the Registration page can be found at the top of the
main web Forums page. Note that registering on the Forum web site also
enables you to send email posts to the Lists as well. You will also need to
Subscribe to the respective Email List as described above to receive the
Email Distribution of the List, however.
The Matroincs Email List Web BBS Forums can be found at the following URL:
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The Wiki allows individuals to create web pages to contain useful information
for other users of the mailing lists and web site. Unlike an ordinary web page
where the content needs to be submitted to Matronics for inclusion, the Wiki
permits the users to construct their own pages and have them visible immediately.
While constructing pages for the Wiki is not difficult, some may not be
comfortable building pages. In that case, simply prepare the text and any
images and email it to:
wiki-support@matronics.com
One of the volunteers on that list will take your submission and construct
a Wiki page for you.
Often someone produces a particularly useful posting in email one one of the
Lists that would be of general interest. In that case Matronics may take that
post and convert it into a Wiki page.
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*** List Archives ***
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A file containing of all of the previous postings to the Kitfox-List is
available on line. The archive file information is available via the
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* Kitfox-List.FAQ
- Latest version of the Kitfox-List Frequently Asked Question
page (this document).
* Kitfox-Archive.digest.complete
- Complete file with most of the email header info removed and
page breaks inserted between messages.
* Kitfox-Archive.digest.vol-??
- Same as the file above, but broken up into small sections that
can more easily handled.
* Kitfox-Archive.digest.complete.zip
- Same as the Kitfox-Archive.digest.complete file above, but
in PKZIP format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
* Kitfox-Archive.digest.complete.Z
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UNIX compress format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
Download Via FTP
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The archive file is available via anonymous FTP from ftp.matronics.com
in the "/pub/Archives" directory. It is updated daily and can be found in
a number of formats as described above. (All filenames are case sensitive.)
ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives
Download Via Web
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The archives are also available via a web listing. These can be found
toward the bottom of the following web page:
http://www.matronics.com/archives
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*** Complete List Web Archive Browsing ***
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Email List Archive Browsing feature. With this utility, all messages
in the List are indexed, and individual sub-archives can be browsed.
http://www.matronics.com/archive/archive-index.cgi?Kitfox
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!! ==> Please including the following information with each submission:
1) Email Lists that they are related to.
2) Your Full Name.
3) Your Email Address.
4) One line Subject description.
5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic.
6-x) One-line Description of each photo or file
Prior to public availability of the files and photos, each will be scanned
for viruses. Please also note that the process of making the files and
photos available on the web site is a pseudo-manual process, and I try to
process them every few days.
Following the availability of the new Photoshare, an email message will be
sent to the Email Lists enumerated in 1) above indicating that the new
Share is available and what the direct URL to it is.
For a current list of available Photoshares, have a look at the Main
Index Page:
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
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A complete Matronics Email List Archive CD is available that contains
all of the archives since the beginning of each of the Lists. The archives
for all of the Lists are included on the CD along with a freeware search
engine written by a list member. The CD is burned the day you order it
and will contain archive received up to the last minute. They make
great gifts!
http://www.matronics.com/ArchiveCDROM
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Kitfox-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Kitfox-List in the manner described below may result
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Kitfox-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Kitfox-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Kitfox-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Kitfox-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Kitfox-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Kitfox-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Kitfox-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Kitfox-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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