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1. 04:36 AM - Re: 582 RPM Variation (Don Smythe)
2. 04:38 AM - Re: 582 RPM Variation (Torgeir Mortensen)
3. 04:54 AM - Re: Turtle deck vibration (Fox5flyer)
4. 05:04 AM - Re: Turtle deck vibration (Fox5flyer)
5. 05:15 AM - Re: Turtle deck vibration (Dave)
6. 05:41 AM - Re: Re: Kitfox Runs out of gas Please read on! (Noel Loveys)
7. 06:35 AM - Re: Re: Kitfox Runs out of gas Please read on! (Don Smythe)
8. 06:40 AM - Low level fuel indicators (HMDOUD)
9. 06:48 AM - Re: Re: Kitfox Runs out of gas Please read on! (Randy Daughenbaugh)
10. 06:56 AM - Polyfiber chemicals in Canada (Dave G.)
11. 07:09 AM - Question on oil (Dee Young)
12. 07:20 AM - Re: Polyfiber chemicals in Canada (Stan Bearup)
13. 07:30 AM - Re: Ethanol damage to fuel tanks ? (A Smith)
14. 07:46 AM - Re: Low level fuel indicators (PWilson)
15. 07:50 AM - Don's Lawnmower. (Dave G.)
16. 07:52 AM - Re: Polyfiber chemicals in Canada (Dave G.)
17. 08:18 AM - Re: Ethanol damage to fuel tanks ? (PWilson)
18. 08:18 AM - Re: Question on oil (PWilson)
19. 08:48 AM - Re: Re: Kitfox Runs out of gas Please read on! (Lowell Fitt)
20. 08:52 AM - Re: Polyfiber chemicals in Canada (Dave)
21. 08:55 AM - Re: Question on oil (Lowell Fitt)
22. 08:56 AM - Re: Polyfiber chemicals in Canada (Dave)
23. 10:01 AM - spark plugs (Glenn Horne)
24. 10:37 AM - Re: spark plugs (Dave)
25. 11:05 AM - Re: spark plugs (Dave G.)
26. 11:30 AM - Re: Recent purchase questions (Rex)
27. 11:37 AM - Re: Question on oil (Dee Young)
28. 01:19 PM - Kitfox and Fuel Starvation (Willem Huisman)
29. 01:57 PM - Re: Kitfox and Fuel Starvation (Don Smythe)
30. 01:58 PM - Re: Polyfiber chemicals in Canada (Donald STEVENSON)
31. 02:34 PM - Re: Kitfox and Fuel Starvation (Willem Huisman)
32. 02:43 PM - Re: spark plugs (Glenn Horne)
33. 02:49 PM - Re: Kitfox and Fuel Starvation (Fox5flyer)
34. 03:59 PM - Re: Kitfox and Fuel Starvation (Don Smythe)
35. 04:07 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox and Fuel Starvation (Don Smythe)
36. 05:11 PM - Re: Polyfiber chemicals in Canada (Noel Loveys)
37. 05:12 PM - Re: Polyfiber chemicals in Canada (Noel Loveys)
38. 05:44 PM - Re: Kitfox and Fuel Starvation (Dave)
39. 05:58 PM - Fuel starvation & Mike Harter (Fox5flyer)
40. 05:59 PM - Header Tank (dcsfoto)
41. 06:29 PM - RE/MAX of Midland, Michigan - Balloon Festival (Fox5flyer)
42. 06:35 PM - Re: spark plugs (Dave)
43. 07:05 PM - Synthetic oils (John Anderson)
44. 07:09 PM - Re: Kitfox and Fuel Starvation (John Anderson)
45. 07:21 PM - RE/MAX of Midland, Michigan - Balloon Festival (Rexster)
46. 07:22 PM - RE/MAX of Midland, Michigan - Balloon Festival (Rexster)
47. 07:39 PM - Re: Header Tank (kirkhull)
48. 08:02 PM - Re: Header Tank (Bradley M Webb)
49. 08:41 PM - Re: Header Tank (Ron Liebmann)
50. 08:55 PM - Re: Fuel starvation & Mike Harter (Les Chambers)
51. 09:12 PM - Re: 582 RPM Variation (Guy Buchanan)
52. 09:12 PM - Re: 582 RPM Variation (Guy Buchanan)
53. 10:33 PM - Re: Header Tank (flier)
54. 10:37 PM - Re: Header Tank (kurt schrader)
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| Subject: | Re: 582 RPM Variation |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
>>Make sure you don't have a slipping clutch like Don S.
>>had a while back. His was worse, but yours could be
>>just starting.
>
> Any idea how you check this?
Guy,
You need to pull the front cover off the "C" box (have new gasket
ready). There is a large nut in there that holds a cone shaped sleeve on a
shaft. Remove the nut and examine the sleeve for any signs of slipping
(scoring). Once you've done that, degrease it all and reassemble with a
special locktite and retorque nut to 250 ft lbs. (I think). There is a
Rotax bulletin that covers all this. My hardest part was finding a torque
wrench that would do 250 ft lbs. That was quite a hoss.
I always referred to my problem as "surging". What was happening was, I
would get up to about 4500 RPM's and the sleeve would slip. That caused the
prop to unload and the engine would rev to the outer limits. As soon as
this would happen, there would be a great amount of heat developed in the
sleeve and it would seize then the prop would be back in the picture and
RPM's would settle out. It was intermittent and in short burst. Appeared
to be surging.
Having said all that, I always have to stay on the throttle to maintain
my RPM's. I think a lot of it is just the way it is on a 582.
Don Smythe
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| Subject: | Re: 582 RPM Variation |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Torgeir Mortensen" <torgemor@online.no>
Hi Guy,
Yes you have to pull the aft. part of the engine to check this, however,
there is more to be checked before removing the engine.
Will the engine do the same at 5400 RPM, and at 6200 RPM?? If the
ignition "pick up" plate is become loose, this RPM fluctuating will occurs
(more or less) in the whole operating band.
Also, -since your AC is relatively new, is this something that shows up
all that sudden, or is this a problem that's been there since day one?
Just as an example, a fluctuating pressure inside the cowl can create
engine rpm changes, but rarely happen.
The carb. cross venting etc.
Try to isolate if this is fuel, ignition or prop. releated.
Good luck.
Torgeir.
On Sun, 10 Sep 2006 05:51:06 +0200, Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
>
> At 06:02 PM 9/9/2006, you wrote:
>> Make sure you don't have a slipping clutch like Don S.
>> had a while back. His was worse, but yours could be
>> just starting.
>
> Any idea how you check this?
>
>
>> Next guess is a lose timing adjustment. My old 2
>> cycle would handle a mixture problem better than a
>> timing problem.
>
> I assume you mean that the pick-ups are loose on their screws. I have to
> pull the back of the engine apart to look at these, don't I?
>
>
> Guy Buchanan
> K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
>
> Do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Turtle deck vibration |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Thanks for the feedback Dave. Do you have a url for Harrison Designs?
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 7:56 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Turtle deck vibration
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
>
> Deke ,
>
> I have a vibration at run up on turtle deck but nothing in flight. I
> have Vgs in shop but have not used yet.
> Kitfox IV works good now with full elevator authority and great slow
speed
> performance. But my Kitfox is about 550 lbs so the weight helps alot.
> I think I will try them some time as well. I have heard that a few vgs
> placed on the back of the windshield near the turtle deck will stop the
> vibrations.
>
> I have harrison designs ones here . You can get I think 100 of them for
?
> under 100$ ithink. Plus just try with 2 sided carpet tape.
>
> Dave
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| Subject: | Re: Turtle deck vibration |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Thanks Kurt. I definitely don't want to lose 5 kts, nor even 1 kt if I can
get away with it. However, I can probably live with one kt if it has a good
enough trade off. Lowering stall speed is always a good thing and making
the airplane more controllable close to stall is equally good. Actually my
S5 is pretty good at low speeds, but it's always better if I can gain a
little more without the top end loss. I know, there's almost always a trade
off somewhere. One just has to decide what one can live with.
Deke
From: "kurt schrader" <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
> Hi Deke,
> When I tested the VG's on my plane 2 years back, I
> found that the max speed varied a bit with position.
> Closer to the leading edge seemed to have no speed
> loss, while further back did cost a few knots. This
> is why I suggested a max of 6" back. My worst loss in
> max speed was about 5 knots on a further aft position.
>
> The VG stalls were much more controlled in that I
> could cross control or use considerable rudder and
> still fly the plane in the stall without uncontrolled
> fall off to a side. That alone made the VG's a good
> deal to me. If you inadvertently stall it, nothing
> real scarry happens and recovery is even easier than
> usual for a KF. It makes slow flight and short field
> work much more secure.
>
> Unfortunately I got no significant reduction in stall
> speed from them. I'll test again in the future with
> some enhanced elevator authority and see if that
> helps.
>
> But I wouldn't let any worry about cruise speed loss
> stop you. You can test several positions and use the
> one that works best without more than a knot
> difference in max speed.
>
> Now cleaning the wing.... that will be a little
> harder.
>
> Kurt S.
>
> --- Fox5flyer <morid@northland.lib.mi.us> wrote:
>
> .......I'd like to do the VGs across the whole
> > wing, but I'm concerned about the loss of speed.
> > That's about the only thing that's held me back.
> > Deke
>
> __________________________________________________
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Turtle deck vibration |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
http://www.landshorter.com/
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 7:53 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Turtle deck vibration
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>
> Thanks for the feedback Dave. Do you have a url for Harrison Designs?
> Deke
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 7:56 AM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Turtle deck vibration
>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
>>
>> Deke ,
>>
>> I have a vibration at run up on turtle deck but nothing in flight. I
>> have Vgs in shop but have not used yet.
>> Kitfox IV works good now with full elevator authority and great slow
> speed
>> performance. But my Kitfox is about 550 lbs so the weight helps alot.
>> I think I will try them some time as well. I have heard that a few vgs
>> placed on the back of the windshield near the turtle deck will stop the
>> vibrations.
>>
>> I have harrison designs ones here . You can get I think 100 of them for
> ?
>> under 100$ ithink. Plus just try with 2 sided carpet tape.
>>
>> Dave
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Runs out of gas Please read on! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
It is true that the 100LL is not a volatile as the MOGAS therefore won't
vapour lock as easily. Your riding mower has the tank in an enclosed area
directly over the engine where the gas can get very warm. The plane on the
other hand has the tanks in the wings and header remote form engine heat.
All I can think of is on my plane the vent form my header is connected to
the right wing tank if the right tank were to lose it's cap I could see how
both the right tank and the header could be siphoned very quickly. Once the
plane comes to a stop fuel form the left tank could then equalize making it
look as if there was fuel in all three tanks at the moment of a fuel outage.
I don't have a low fuel warning light on my header tank but I'm seriously
looking into it.
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Don Smythe
> Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 11:39 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox Runs out of gas Please read on!
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
>
> This might not apply but, is along the same subject line. I
> have a riding
> lawnmower and the fuel system is "similar" to a kitfox. That
> is, has a
> large tank above the engine and is gravity fed to the engine.
> Now, my
> lawnmower will run 1/2 of the fuel in the tank and then, go
> dead (out of
> fuel). This is observed by the completely empty inline fuel
> filter. It's
> not the vented cap because it happens with the cap off?????
> If I pull the
> tank side line off the filter, fuel again starts to flow from
> the tank,
> refills the filter and off she runs again??? It has to be
> some sort of
> vapor lock and wonder if some sort of similar situation could
> happen to a
> Kitfox system. BTW, the lawnmower will use the whole tank if
> filled with
> 100LL. 100LL tends not to vapor lock like autofuel. I spend
> hours and
> weeks testing my Fox fuel system to see what would conditions
> could cause
> flow restrictions etc. This lawnmower system has me stumped.
>
> Don Smythe
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Runs out of gas Please read on! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
I remember my old buddy Michael Harter (Rest his sole) took off twice not
once without a fuel cap. One time he left it way up in Eastern Canada and
it was mailed back to him from the airport (bent). I ended up giving him
both of mine (from my kit) since I used recessed fillers. I do not remember
him ever saying that he lost a significant amount of fuel??? On the trip to
Canada I seem to remember him having to purchase a replacement cap at the
auto store when he noticed the original missing.
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 8:40 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox Runs out of gas Please read on!
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
>
> It is true that the 100LL is not a volatile as the MOGAS therefore won't
> vapour lock as easily. Your riding mower has the tank in an enclosed area
> directly over the engine where the gas can get very warm. The plane on
> the
> other hand has the tanks in the wings and header remote form engine heat.
> All I can think of is on my plane the vent form my header is connected to
> the right wing tank if the right tank were to lose it's cap I could see
> how
> both the right tank and the header could be siphoned very quickly. Once
> the
> plane comes to a stop fuel form the left tank could then equalize making
> it
> look as if there was fuel in all three tanks at the moment of a fuel
> outage.
> I don't have a low fuel warning light on my header tank but I'm seriously
> looking into it.
>
> Noel
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>> Don Smythe
>> Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 11:39 AM
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox Runs out of gas Please read on!
>>
>>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe@cox.net>
>>
>> This might not apply but, is along the same subject line. I
>> have a riding
>> lawnmower and the fuel system is "similar" to a kitfox. That
>> is, has a
>> large tank above the engine and is gravity fed to the engine.
>> Now, my
>> lawnmower will run 1/2 of the fuel in the tank and then, go
>> dead (out of
>> fuel). This is observed by the completely empty inline fuel
>> filter. It's
>> not the vented cap because it happens with the cap off?????
>> If I pull the
>> tank side line off the filter, fuel again starts to flow from
>> the tank,
>> refills the filter and off she runs again??? It has to be
>> some sort of
>> vapor lock and wonder if some sort of similar situation could
>> happen to a
>> Kitfox system. BTW, the lawnmower will use the whole tank if
>> filled with
>> 100LL. 100LL tends not to vapor lock like autofuel. I spend
>> hours and
>> weeks testing my Fox fuel system to see what would conditions
>> could cause
>> flow restrictions etc. This lawnmower system has me stumped.
>>
>> Don Smythe
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Low level fuel indicators |
Thanks to you Kitfoxers, who sent emails concerning a low level fuel
indicator for my Kitfox 4, poly header tank. Below are several
suppliers of low level fuel indicators, that I'll pass on to the group,
for those folks wanting the low level fuel indicator. Awfully good
insurrance .............
www.blueskyaviation.net
http://www.murlewilliamsaviation.com
Wicks, ACS 6905-400 $20.60 Sensor
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Runs out of gas Please read on! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Noel,
I have to disagree with you a little bit on your assertion that BOTH the
header tank and the right wing tank would be emptied quickly if you lost the
cap on the right side.
In your scenario of losing the right cap, low pressure will start to pull
gas from the right tank. BUT, the header tank will not empty until all the
gas from the left tank is pulled through the header tank. Even then much of
the gas in the header tank will be available to the engine.
In the case of losing the left cap, it is possible that the "unported" vent
line in the right tank will clear of fuel quickly and thus let vapors go
into the header tank and push gas up the feed line to the left tank, it will
not empty the header tank since the vent is from the top of the header tank.
The right tank will keep feeding fuel to the header tank until the right
tank is empty. Then after you have burned the fuel left in the header tank,
it will get quiet. This, with your left tank possibly holding lots of fuel.
One thing to worry about in the case of losing either cap is that the lower
pressure in the fuel system makes vapor lock much more likely.
Randy - Now checking caps as part of preflight!
I agree with you that Don's lawn mower problem sounds like vapor lock.
.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Noel Loveys
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 6:41 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox Runs out of gas Please read on!
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
It is true that the 100LL is not a volatile as the MOGAS therefore won't
vapour lock as easily. Your riding mower has the tank in an enclosed area
directly over the engine where the gas can get very warm. The plane on the
other hand has the tanks in the wings and header remote form engine heat.
All I can think of is on my plane the vent form my header is connected to
the right wing tank if the right tank were to lose it's cap I could see how
both the right tank and the header could be siphoned very quickly. Once the
plane comes to a stop fuel form the left tank could then equalize making it
look as if there was fuel in all three tanks at the moment of a fuel outage.
I don't have a low fuel warning light on my header tank but I'm seriously
looking into it.
Noel
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| Subject: | Polyfiber chemicals in Canada |
I'll need to order soon, and I wondered where others have purchased. It
strikes me as the kind of stuff that won't travel across the border
well. Any experiences?
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Have been considering a change in oil. The engine is a four stroke air
cooled and manufacturer suggests using an Automotive type engine oil
meeting SAE SE grade or above. It also goes on to say MIL-L-46152B Spec.
is recommended??? I have been using Aero Shell 15W-50 since the engine
was new. Winter is coming and the Aero Shell is hard to turn the engine
in the cold. That is the reason I am considering the change. I have been
looking at the synthetics. I would very much appreciate your thoughts on
this matter.
Thanks
Dee Young
N345DY Model II
Do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: Polyfiber chemicals in Canada |
Dave,
Below are the Canadian distributors of PolyFiber supplies that I took
from the PolyFiber web site.
Stan
GOULET AlRCRAFT SUPPLY
59 Eagle Drive
Winnipeg, Manitoba
Canada R2R 1V4
204-783-8512
800-665-8662 (Canada only)
www.gouletaircraft.com
48 Airport Road
Edmonton, Alberta
Canada T5G 0W7
780-452-4242
THE AERO MART
6790 Davand Drive, Unit 7
Mississauga, Ontario
Canada L5T 2G5
905-565-0737
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave G.
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 7:56 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Polyfiber chemicals in Canada
I'll need to order soon, and I wondered where others have purchased.
It strikes me as the kind of stuff that won't travel across the border
well. Any experiences?
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| Subject: | Re: Ethanol damage to fuel tanks ? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "A Smith" <kitfox@ida.net>
I have had 3 boats. The fuel lines were why no fuel containing ethanol could
be used. Nothing was mentioned about the tank. I have not heard that ethanol
will harm fiberglass.
Albert
5TD
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| Subject: | Re: Low level fuel indicators |
And the low tech unit
http://www.wicksaircraft.com/catalog/product_search_results.php/search=ZndzLTE
~$30+ shipping
And the light
http://www.wicksaircraft.com/catalog/product_search_results.php/search=Z3ctMzI2
~$10+shipping
It does not flash nor is it an LED but a quick search will find yo a
flashing LED light.
Murle's unit is also good but plumbing is more complex and it costs
$95 + shipping
The Blue Sky site does not have an on line catalog?
Contact John
at <http://www.kitfoxaircraftllc.com/>www.kitfoxaircraftllc.com to
see if they sell the original Skystar unit which was optical and
required the header tank to be painted black.
Regards, Paul
=================
At 07:40 AM 9/10/2006, you wrote:
>Thanks to you Kitfoxers, who sent emails concerning a low level fuel
>indicator for my Kitfox 4, poly header tank. Below are several
>suppliers of low level fuel indicators, that I'll pass on to the
>group, for those folks wanting the low level fuel
>indicator. Awfully good insurrance .............
>
>
><http://www.blueskyaviation.net>www.blueskyaviation.net
>
>
>http://www.murlewilliamsaviation.com
>
>
>Wicks, ACS 6905-400 $20.60 Sensor
>
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| Subject: | Don's Lawnmower. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave G." <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
Don, not kifox related but if the system is strictly gravity, it sounds like
the float bowl vent might be plugged. If there's a place to vent any vapour
then gravity feed sytems can cope with a lot.
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| Subject: | Re: Polyfiber chemicals in Canada |
Thanks. I was actually looking for experiences with dealers. Neither of
those two have prices on their sites and I will have to call to get that
information. If others have had no trouble ordering in from the U.S.
that's also worth knowing.
----- Original Message -----
From: Stan Bearup
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Polyfiber chemicals in Canada
Dave,
Below are the Canadian distributors of PolyFiber supplies that I took
from the PolyFiber web site.
Stan
GOULET AlRCRAFT SUPPLY
59 Eagle Drive
Winnipeg, Manitoba
Canada R2R 1V4
204-783-8512
800-665-8662 (Canada only)
www.gouletaircraft.com
48 Airport Road
Edmonton, Alberta
Canada T5G 0W7
780-452-4242
THE AERO MART
6790 Davand Drive, Unit 7
Mississauga, Ontario
Canada L5T 2G5
905-565-0737
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave G.
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 7:56 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Polyfiber chemicals in Canada
I'll need to order soon, and I wondered where others have purchased.
It strikes me as the kind of stuff that won't travel across the border
well. Any experiences?
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| Subject: | Re: Ethanol damage to fuel tanks ? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: PWilson <pwmac@sisna.com>
Alcohol is a solvent and very few resins used in fuel tanks are
compatible. Maybe your boat tanks have been internally coated? Of
course the glass in not affected, just the resin that holds it all
together. Check the archives for many-many discussions on this issue.
Paul
=======================
At 08:30 AM 9/10/2006, you wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "A Smith" <kitfox@ida.net>
>
>I have had 3 boats. The fuel lines were why no fuel containing
>ethanol could be used. Nothing was mentioned about the tank. I have
>not heard that ethanol will harm fiberglass.
>Albert
>5TD
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| Subject: | Re: Question on oil |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: PWilson <pwmac@sisna.com>
What kind of engine?
15w50 is very heavy duty oil like I use in my diesel truck.
15w50 is used in air cooled airplane engines that run hot and have
significant oil thinning at the high temps.
What are your oil temps at the high end for a worst case senerio?
How does your oil temp look under the high temp situation?
Do you have a sealed RG battery?
In any event synthetic is better for high temps and cold cranking but
its use depends on the fuel you are using and how much you want to
spend for more frequent changes of the pricey oil.
Paul
================
At 08:08 AM 9/10/2006, you wrote:
>Have been considering a change in oil. The engine is a four stroke
>air cooled and manufacturer suggests using an Automotive type engine
>oil meeting SAE SE grade or above. It also goes on to say
>MIL-L-46152B Spec. is recommended??? I have been using Aero Shell
>15W-50 since the engine was new. Winter is coming and the Aero Shell
>is hard to turn the engine in the cold. That is the reason I am
>considering the change. I have been looking at the synthetics. I
>would very much appreciate your thoughts on this matter.
>
>Thanks
>
>Dee Young
>N345DY Model II
>
>
>Do not archive.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Runs out of gas Please read on! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Lots of theoretical stuff here, Why not a volunteer test pilot type to give
it a try :-).
Actually the scnerio presented would suggest to me - correct me if I am
misreading this - that the missing fuel cap (left tank as described) would
suck gas from the right tank (right tank being pressurized by the cap pito
pressure) and if I am reading this correctly, the first sign of missing fuel
would then be a drop in the sight gauge on the right tank.
When I flew the three hours with my right cap askew - only one tang
attached - the lost fuel came almost exclusively from the right tank,
sucking it to almost empty. The left tank showed some fuel loss as well,
but I typically burn preferentially from the left tank for the much
discussed unknown for sure reason. I would propose that the primary loss of
fuel would be due to the low pressure at the top of the wing near the filler
neck rather than any pressure generated from the forward facing vent on the
other fuel cap. At the time I was burning about 8 gallons in a three hour
run - throttled back.
Lowell
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 6:48 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox Runs out of gas Please read on!
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh"
> <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
>
> Noel,
> I have to disagree with you a little bit on your assertion that BOTH the
> header tank and the right wing tank would be emptied quickly if you lost
> the
> cap on the right side.
>
> In your scenario of losing the right cap, low pressure will start to pull
> gas from the right tank. BUT, the header tank will not empty until all
> the
> gas from the left tank is pulled through the header tank. Even then much
> of
> the gas in the header tank will be available to the engine.
>
> In the case of losing the left cap, it is possible that the "unported"
> vent
> line in the right tank will clear of fuel quickly and thus let vapors go
> into the header tank and push gas up the feed line to the left tank, it
> will
> not empty the header tank since the vent is from the top of the header
> tank.
> The right tank will keep feeding fuel to the header tank until the right
> tank is empty. Then after you have burned the fuel left in the header
> tank,
> it will get quiet. This, with your left tank possibly holding lots of
> fuel.
>
>
> One thing to worry about in the case of losing either cap is that the
> lower
> pressure in the fuel system makes vapor lock much more likely.
>
> Randy - Now checking caps as part of preflight!
>
> I agree with you that Don's lawn mower problem sounds like vapor lock.
>
>
> .
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Noel Loveys
> Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 6:41 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox Runs out of gas Please read on!
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
>
> It is true that the 100LL is not a volatile as the MOGAS therefore won't
> vapour lock as easily. Your riding mower has the tank in an enclosed area
> directly over the engine where the gas can get very warm. The plane on
> the
> other hand has the tanks in the wings and header remote form engine heat.
> All I can think of is on my plane the vent form my header is connected to
> the right wing tank if the right tank were to lose it's cap I could see
> how
> both the right tank and the header could be siphoned very quickly. Once
> the
> plane comes to a stop fuel form the left tank could then equalize making
> it
> look as if there was fuel in all three tanks at the moment of a fuel
> outage.
> I don't have a low fuel warning light on my header tank but I'm seriously
> looking into it.
>
> Noel
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Polyfiber chemicals in Canada |
Hi Dave ,
try
THE AERO MART
6790 Davand Drive, Unit 7
Mississauga, Ontario
Canada L5T 2G5
905-565-0737
Also , AircraftSpruce is coming to Toronto. I am not sure where or
when but it was scheduled for Sept 2006 I think . I no wonder Leavens
prices have dropped 30 to 40% i have notice in last 6 months :) ABOUT
TIME !!
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave G.
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 9:56 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Polyfiber chemicals in Canada
I'll need to order soon, and I wondered where others have purchased.
It strikes me as the kind of stuff that won't travel across the border
well. Any experiences?
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| Subject: | Re: Question on oil |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Dee,
The value in a full synthetic is the higher temps they can tolerate, the hit
is their inability to keep the lead residues in suspension. If you fly
strictly with car gas, the synthetic should be fine. If you occasionally
use 100LL then you might want to avoid synthetics. This from the Rotax oil
recommendation bulletin. The Rotax 912 series engines use the same oil in
the engine as well as the gear box so they recommend a motorcycle engine oil
with the gear additive. If your engine is similar, you might want to check
the Rotax owners association website for info.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dee Young" <henrysfork1@msn.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 7:08 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Question on oil
Have been considering a change in oil. The engine is a four stroke air
cooled and manufacturer suggests using an Automotive type engine oil meeting
SAE SE grade or above. It also goes on to say MIL-L-46152B Spec. is
recommended??? I have been using Aero Shell 15W-50 since the engine was new.
Winter is coming and the Aero Shell is hard to turn the engine in the cold.
That is the reason I am considering the change. I have been looking at the
synthetics. I would very much appreciate your thoughts on this matter.
Thanks
Dee Young
N345DY Model II
Do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: Polyfiber chemicals in Canada |
I just replied before seeing this message.
You will likely not get shipped from USA.
And you will most likely pay a hazardous shipping fee in Canada as well.
I jusdt got in 2 quarts of rand o bond from Leavens and had no haz fees
but it was just part of another order.
I find that US orders are sometimes mosre expensive after you pay
exchange and the huge broker fees that the carriwer dings you .
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave G.
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Polyfiber chemicals in Canada
Thanks. I was actually looking for experiences with dealers. Neither
of those two have prices on their sites and I will have to call to get
that information. If others have had no trouble ordering in from the
U.S. that's also worth knowing.
----- Original Message -----
From: Stan Bearup
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Polyfiber chemicals in Canada
Dave,
Below are the Canadian distributors of PolyFiber supplies that I
took from the PolyFiber web site.
Stan
GOULET AlRCRAFT SUPPLY
59 Eagle Drive
Winnipeg, Manitoba
Canada R2R 1V4
204-783-8512
800-665-8662 (Canada only)
www.gouletaircraft.com
48 Airport Road
Edmonton, Alberta
Canada T5G 0W7
780-452-4242
THE AERO MART
6790 Davand Drive, Unit 7
Mississauga, Ontario
Canada L5T 2G5
905-565-0737
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave G.
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 7:56 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Polyfiber chemicals in Canada
I'll need to order soon, and I wondered where others have
purchased. It strikes me as the kind of stuff that won't travel across
the border well. Any experiences?
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Glenn Horne here,
Can anyone on the list tell me the firing order of the 582 and the
spark plug gap? Have to see the FESDO tomorrow and need this.
Have the engine manual but don't seem to fine it in there.
GlennHorne
Suffolk, Va
Kitfox II 582.
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582 plug gap .018
only two cylinders so pick 1 -2 or 2 -1
Spark plugs BR8ES
----- Original Message -----
From: Glenn Horne
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 1:02 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: spark plugs
Glenn Horne here,
Can anyone on the list tell me the firing order of the 582 and the
spark plug gap? Have to see the FESDO tomorrow and need this.
Have the engine manual but don't seem to fine it in there.
GlennHorne
Suffolk, Va
Kitfox II 582.
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The spark plug gap is 0.5 mm or .02". The firing order is of course 1-2
on a two cylinder engine but in fact all plugs fire at the same time at
the top and bottom of each stroke.
----- Original Message -----
From: Glenn Horne
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 2:02 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: spark plugs
Glenn Horne here,
Can anyone on the list tell me the firing order of the 582 and the
spark plug gap? Have to see the FESDO tomorrow and need this.
Have the engine manual but don't seem to fine it in there.
GlennHorne
Suffolk, Va
Kitfox II 582.
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| Subject: | Re: Recent purchase questions |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Rex <gypsybee@copper.net>
I'm not sure how much I can help. I don't know for sure what
enhancements you might realize. Possible gross weight increase. I have a
model 2 which I bought as a repair project. I had to buy a new spar and
I got the model 4 wing instruction section of the builders manual with
the newer spar kit. The important difference of the model 4 is the
struts are longer than the model 2 (which I believe model 2 and 3 are
the same, I may be wrong). So you must build the spars to position the
internal "I" beam correctly for the struts you have. Model 3 struts or
model 4 struts?
I'm not at home so I can't get the reference dimensions for you.
Perhaps someone else could tell us how far from the root to the strut
bracket mounting bolt or the length of the model 3 or 4 struts. I could
supply either construction sections for both M2 or M4 spars and wings by
the end of the week.
Rex
Colorado
goinghawgwyld@ssctv.net wrote:
> I recently purchased a Kitfox III with a model 4 wing. What
> enhancements will this provide to me over the model 3 wing? This kit
> comes with a Rotax 912 80hp. What performance specs should I expect? I
> am looking forward to finishing this project. If there is anything
> else you feel I should know I would appreciate any input! Thanks again!
>
>
> Ken Schwartz
>
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| Subject: | Re: Question on oil |
I burn 100LL all the time so that takes car of the synthetic idea.
Thanks for the response Lowell
Dee
Do Not Archiv
----- Original Message -----
From: Lowell Fitt<mailto:lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 9:54 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Question on oil
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt"
<lcfitt@sbcglobal.net<mailto:lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>>
Dee,
The value in a full synthetic is the higher temps they can tolerate,
the hit
is their inability to keep the lead residues in suspension. If you
fly
strictly with car gas, the synthetic should be fine. If you
occasionally
use 100LL then you might want to avoid synthetics. This from the
Rotax oil
recommendation bulletin. The Rotax 912 series engines use the same
oil in
the engine as well as the gear box so they recommend a motorcycle
engine oil
with the gear additive. If your engine is similar, you might want to
check
the Rotax owners association website for info.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dee Young" <henrysfork1@msn.com<mailto:henrysfork1@msn.com>>
To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>>
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 7:08 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Question on oil
Have been considering a change in oil. The engine is a four stroke air
cooled and manufacturer suggests using an Automotive type engine oil
meeting
SAE SE grade or above. It also goes on to say MIL-L-46152B Spec. is
recommended??? I have been using Aero Shell 15W-50 since the engine
was new.
Winter is coming and the Aero Shell is hard to turn the engine in the
cold.
That is the reason I am considering the change. I have been looking at
the
synthetics. I would very much appreciate your thoughts on this matter.
Thanks
Dee Young
N345DY Model II
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| Subject: | Kitfox and Fuel Starvation |
Kitfox and Fuel starvation, happens real easily.
Not a contributor normally, but this one is important. I fly N77LR here in
Holland, after buying it from Leo in 2003.
Always check Fuel Caps carefully after Topping off.
Happened to when I bought my Kifox early on. If you screw on the Fuelcap
slightly wrong (don't latch both lips on Cap or forget it), only one side
of the fuelcap closes, rubber gasket does not seal, and now that side is
leaking air, not creating pressure inside the tank.
After take off the good side (other tank) is creating pressure, pushing all
fuel to the bad leaking side ( Now leaking fuel instade on air in a rapid
GPH).
You can notice real fast, since One tank is completely full (the bad one)
and the other side rushes empty ( the one creating air pressure).
It takes no more as 15 Min to empty more as one tank, so hurry and find an
airport.
Wim Huisman
N77LR
Holland
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox and Fuel Starvation |
Wim,
It sounds like this actually happened to you. Right?. As I said
before, my friend left his cap off twice and I don't remember him
talking about loosing excessive fuel. Just curious.
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: Willem Huisman
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 4:18 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox and Fuel Starvation
Kitfox and Fuel starvation, happens real easily.
Not a contributor normally, but this one is important. I fly N77LR
here in Holland, after buying it from Leo in 2003.
Always check Fuel Caps carefully after Topping off.
Happened to when I bought my Kifox early on. If you screw on the
Fuelcap slightly wrong (don't latch both lips on Cap or forget it),
only one side of the fuelcap closes, rubber gasket does not seal, and
now that side is leaking air, not creating pressure inside the tank.
After take off the good side (other tank) is creating pressure,
pushing all fuel to the bad leaking side ( Now leaking fuel instade on
air in a rapid GPH).
You can notice real fast, since One tank is completely full (the bad
one) and the other side rushes empty ( the one creating air pressure).
It takes no more as 15 Min to empty more as one tank, so hurry and
find an airport.
Wim Huisman
N77LR
Holland
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| Subject: | Re: Polyfiber chemicals in Canada |
----- Original Message ----
From: Dave G. <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 9:56:34 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Polyfiber chemicals in Canada
I'll need to order soon, and I wondered where others have purchased. It
strikes me as the kind of stuff that won't travel across the border well. Any
experiences?
Hi Dave, I checked prices at The Aero Mart in Mississauga and found them to
be quite a bit higher than Aircraft Spruce
in the US even after the money exchange, so I picked up the material stste side
and brought it back accross the border
myself. However as of this Sept A/S has a Canadian Mississauga branch you may wish
to check out.Good Luck, Don
Contact Aircraft Spruce Canada at (877)
795-2278 or (905) 795-2278 (These
phone numbers will be activated by September 1, 2006). The Company
website is www.aircraftspruce.ca and
orders can be placed on-line at the website.
Don Stevenson, Caledon, Ontario, Canada
M4/1200 Speedster 912UL
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox and Fuel Starvation |
Don,
It did happen to me , my Kitfox series V has Tubes on the fuelcaps creating
Airpressure inside the tanks,ensuring positive Fuelflow.
If 1 tube is (partially) occluded , the only thing happening is Uneven
pressure distribution, and uneven filling of tanks during flight.
If one cap leaks, or is missing , pressure created during level flight,
pushes Fuel from the Good Tank to the one that is leaking, emptying all your
gas.
Maybe speed , creating higher pressure could make a difference.
My Lycoming makes me fly 120MPH . I lost 10 Gallons in 15 Min.
Wim Huisman
On 9/10/06, Don Smythe <dosmythe@cox.net> wrote:
>
> Wim,
> It sounds like this actually happened to you. Right?. As I said
> before, my friend left his cap off twice and I don't remember him talking
> about loosing excessive fuel. Just curious.
>
> Don Smythe
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Willem Huisman <wimhuisman@gmail.com>
> *To:* kitfox-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Sunday, September 10, 2006 4:18 PM
> *Subject:* Kitfox-List: Kitfox and Fuel Starvation
>
>
> Kitfox and Fuel starvation, happens real easily.
> Not a contributor normally, but this one is important. I fly N77LR here
> in Holland, after buying it from Leo in 2003.
>
> Always check Fuel Caps carefully after Topping off.
>
> Happened to when I bought my Kifox early on. If you screw on the Fuelcap
> slightly wrong (don't latch both lips on Cap or forget it), only one side
> of the fuelcap closes, rubber gasket does not seal, and now that side is
> leaking air, not creating pressure inside the tank.
>
> After take off the good side (other tank) is creating pressure, pushing
> all fuel to the bad leaking side ( Now leaking fuel instade on air in a
> rapid GPH).
>
> You can notice real fast, since One tank is completely full (the bad
> one) and the other side rushes empty ( the one creating air pressure).
>
>
> It takes no more as 15 Min to empty more as one tank, so hurry and find an
> airport.
>
> Wim Huisman
> N77LR
> Holland
>
> *
>
> *
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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Thanks Dave.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave G.
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 2:04 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: spark plugs
The spark plug gap is 0.5 mm or .02". The firing order is of course
1-2 on a two cylinder engine but in fact all plugs fire at the same time
at the top and bottom of each stroke.
----- Original Message -----
From: Glenn Horne
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 2:02 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: spark plugs
Glenn Horne here,
Can anyone on the list tell me the firing order of the 582 and the
spark plug gap? Have to see the FESDO tomorrow and need this.
Have the engine manual but don't seem to fine it in there.
GlennHorne
Suffolk, Va
Kitfox II 582.
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox and Fuel Starvation |
Don, I've been watching this exchange and just to throw my 2 rubles in
here I'll add mine. After fueling I placed a cap on with only one tab
holding it and the pressure from the high side (tight cap) pushed the
fuel out of the loose cap very quickly. Fortunately the cap stayed
connected, but I lost about 5 gallons in less than the 15 minutes of
flight from when I took off, figured it out, and returned to base. I
now make rechecking the caps after refueling my last step. A simple
step of just reaching up and grabbing the pitot while giving it a twist
will tell you if it's on correctly or not.
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Smythe
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 4:57 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox and Fuel Starvation
Wim,
It sounds like this actually happened to you. Right?. As I said
before, my friend left his cap off twice and I don't remember him
talking about loosing excessive fuel. Just curious.
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: Willem Huisman
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 4:18 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox and Fuel Starvation
Kitfox and Fuel starvation, happens real easily.
Not a contributor normally, but this one is important. I fly N77LR
here in Holland, after buying it from Leo in 2003.
Always check Fuel Caps carefully after Topping off.
Happened to when I bought my Kifox early on. If you screw on the
Fuelcap slightly wrong (don't latch both lips on Cap or forget it),
only one side of the fuelcap closes, rubber gasket does not seal, and
now that side is leaking air, not creating pressure inside the tank.
After take off the good side (other tank) is creating pressure,
pushing all fuel to the bad leaking side ( Now leaking fuel instade on
air in a rapid GPH).
You can notice real fast, since One tank is completely full (the
bad one) and the other side rushes empty ( the one creating air
pressure).
It takes no more as 15 Min to empty more as one tank, so hurry and
find an airport.
Wim Huisman
N77LR
Holland
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox and Fuel Starvation |
Deke,
Well, I'm now convinced that a loose or missing cap can cause this.
I used to talk to Michael Harter every single morning on our Government
phone tie line and he never mentioned loosing any fuel. Based on that,
I had to question if the fuel would "really" siphon out. I guess it
will and maybe Michael just didn't talk about that part. It's too bad I
can't pick up the phone and yell at him like I used to.
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: Fox5flyer
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 5:49 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox and Fuel Starvation
Don, I've been watching this exchange and just to throw my 2 rubles in
here I'll add mine. After fueling I placed a cap on with only one tab
holding it and the pressure from the high side (tight cap) pushed the
fuel out of the loose cap very quickly. Fortunately the cap stayed
connected, but I lost about 5 gallons in less than the 15 minutes of
flight from when I took off, figured it out, and returned to base. I
now make rechecking the caps after refueling my last step. A simple
step of just reaching up and grabbing the pitot while giving it a twist
will tell you if it's on correctly or not.
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Smythe
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 4:57 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox and Fuel Starvation
Wim,
It sounds like this actually happened to you. Right?. As I said
before, my friend left his cap off twice and I don't remember him
talking about loosing excessive fuel. Just curious.
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: Willem Huisman
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 4:18 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox and Fuel Starvation
Kitfox and Fuel starvation, happens real easily.
Not a contributor normally, but this one is important. I fly
N77LR here in Holland, after buying it from Leo in 2003.
Always check Fuel Caps carefully after Topping off.
Happened to when I bought my Kifox early on. If you screw on the
Fuelcap slightly wrong (don't latch both lips on Cap or forget it),
only one side of the fuelcap closes, rubber gasket does not seal, and
now that side is leaking air, not creating pressure inside the tank.
After take off the good side (other tank) is creating pressure,
pushing all fuel to the bad leaking side ( Now leaking fuel instade on
air in a rapid GPH).
You can notice real fast, since One tank is completely full (the
bad one) and the other side rushes empty ( the one creating air
pressure).
It takes no more as 15 Min to empty more as one tank, so hurry and
find an airport.
Wim Huisman
N77LR
Holland
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox and Fuel Starvation |
Wim,
This is good news that might help the rest of us do a better check
on the fuel caps. I might have been misinformed about Michael Harters
missing cap episode.
I have recessed non vent caps on my tanks with "O" ring seals. They
don't leak and I don't have the problem with the little ears on the
standard caps not catching or sealing but, I could forget to screw them
in during refueling.
Thanks,
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: Willem Huisman
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 5:33 PM
Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox and Fuel Starvation
Don,
It did happen to me , my Kitfox series V has Tubes on the fuelcaps
creating Airpressure inside the
Wim Huisman
On 9/10/06, Don Smythe <dosmythe@cox.net> wrote:
Wim,
It sounds like this actually happened to you. Right?. As I said
before, my friend left his cap off twice and I don't remember him
talking about loosing excessive fuel. Just curious.
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: Willem Huisman
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 4:18 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox and Fuel Starvation
Kitfox and Fuel starvation, happens real easily.
Not a contributor normally, but this one is important. I fly
N77LR here in Holland, after buying it from Leo in 2003.
Always check Fuel Caps carefully after Topping off.
Happened to when I bought my Kifox early on. If you screw on the
Fuelcap slightly wrong (don't latch both lips on Cap or forget it),
only one side of the fuelcap closes, rubber gasket does not seal, and
now that side is leaking air, not creating pressure inside the tank.
After take off the good side (other tank) is creating pressure,
pushing all fuel to the bad leaking side ( Now leaking fuel instade on
air in a rapid GPH).
You can notice real fast, since One tank is completely full (the
bad one) and the other side rushes empty ( the one creating air
pressure).
It takes no more as 15 Min to empty more as one tank, so hurry and
find an airport.
Wim Huisman
N77LR
Holland
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| Subject: | Polyfiber chemicals in Canada |
Try Leavens or Avail
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Donald
STEVENSON
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Polyfiber chemicals in Canada
----- Original Message ----
From: Dave G. <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 9:56:34 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Polyfiber chemicals in Canada
I'll need to order soon, and I wondered where others have purchased. It
strikes me as the kind of stuff that won't travel across the border well.
Any experiences?
Hi Dave, I checked prices at The Aero Mart in Mississauga and found them to
be quite a bit higher than Aircraft Spruce
in the US even after the money exchange, so I picked up the material stste
side and brought it back accross the border
myself. However as of this Sept A/S has a Canadian Mississauga branch you
may wish to check out.Good Luck, Don
Contact Aircraft Spruce Canada at (877)
795-2278 or (905) 795-2278 (These
phone numbers will be activated by September 1, 2006). The Company
website is www.aircraftspruce.ca <http://www.aircraftspruce.ca/>
and
orders can be placed on-line at the website.
Don Stevenson, Caledon, Ontario, Canada
M4/1200 Speedster 912UL
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| Subject: | Polyfiber chemicals in Canada |
sorry that's Aviall
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Donald
STEVENSON
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Polyfiber chemicals in Canada
----- Original Message ----
From: Dave G. <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 9:56:34 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Polyfiber chemicals in Canada
I'll need to order soon, and I wondered where others have purchased. It
strikes me as the kind of stuff that won't travel across the border well.
Any experiences?
Hi Dave, I checked prices at The Aero Mart in Mississauga and found them to
be quite a bit higher than Aircraft Spruce
in the US even after the money exchange, so I picked up the material stste
side and brought it back accross the border
myself. However as of this Sept A/S has a Canadian Mississauga branch you
may wish to check out.Good Luck, Don
Contact Aircraft Spruce Canada at (877)
795-2278 or (905) 795-2278 (These
phone numbers will be activated by September 1, 2006). The Company
website is www.aircraftspruce.ca <http://www.aircraftspruce.ca/>
and
orders can be placed on-line at the website.
Don Stevenson, Caledon, Ontario, Canada
M4/1200 Speedster 912UL
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox and Fuel Starvation |
I have noticed in the last 10 hours or so of flying that my right wing
is getting a small fuel trail staining the top of the white wing from
the fuel filler neak area.
So today I blew into the the pitot tube after filling the tank and
noticed a little leak around the filler neck where it goes into wing.
I took some rand-o-bond superglue and put over top of the leak. I just
flew for 30 mins just tonight and no sign of leakage and the blow
test shows no leak .
Hopefully it is fixed now .
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Fox5flyer
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 5:49 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox and Fuel Starvation
Don, I've been watching this exchange and just to throw my 2 rubles in
here I'll add mine. After fueling I placed a cap on with only one tab
holding it and the pressure from the high side (tight cap) pushed the
fuel out of the loose cap very quickly. Fortunately the cap stayed
connected, but I lost about 5 gallons in less than the 15 minutes of
flight from when I took off, figured it out, and returned to base. I
now make rechecking the caps after refueling my last step. A simple
step of just reaching up and grabbing the pitot while giving it a twist
will tell you if it's on correctly or not.
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Smythe
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 4:57 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox and Fuel Starvation
Wim,
It sounds like this actually happened to you. Right?. As I said
before, my friend left his cap off twice and I don't remember him
talking about loosing excessive fuel. Just curious.
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: Willem Huisman
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 4:18 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox and Fuel Starvation
Kitfox and Fuel starvation, happens real easily.
Not a contributor normally, but this one is important. I fly
N77LR here in Holland, after buying it from Leo in 2003.
Always check Fuel Caps carefully after Topping off.
Happened to when I bought my Kifox early on. If you screw on the
Fuelcap slightly wrong (don't latch both lips on Cap or forget it),
only one side of the fuelcap closes, rubber gasket does not seal, and
now that side is leaking air, not creating pressure inside the tank.
After take off the good side (other tank) is creating pressure,
pushing all fuel to the bad leaking side ( Now leaking fuel instade on
air in a rapid GPH).
You can notice real fast, since One tank is completely full (the
bad one) and the other side rushes empty ( the one creating air
pressure).
It takes no more as 15 Min to empty more as one tank, so hurry and
find an airport.
Wim Huisman
N77LR
Holland
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| Subject: | Fuel starvation & Mike Harter |
Actually Don, I don't think it's siphoned out. There might be a
siphoning factor in it, but I believe that it's more being pushed out by
the opposite high pressure tank that's pushing it out. It's probably a
combination of both, hard to tell which one is dominant.
Mike was a great guy. He gave me a big head start when it came time to
wire my airplane by faxing me his well done schematics. Since we both
had NSI/CAP setups it really helped me greatly. As I recall, I was
about 1 year behind him with my completion and he had about 350 hours on
his when I made my first flight. He was a great asset to the list and
I still miss him.
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Smythe
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 6:58 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox and Fuel Starvation
Deke,
Well, I'm now convinced that a loose or missing cap can cause
this. I used to talk to Michael Harter every single morning on our
Government phone tie line and he never mentioned loosing any fuel.
Based on that, I had to question if the fuel would "really" siphon out.
I guess it will and maybe Michael just didn't talk about that part.
It's too bad I can't pick up the phone and yell at him like I used to.
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: Fox5flyer
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 5:49 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox and Fuel Starvation
Don, I've been watching this exchange and just to throw my 2 rubles
in here I'll add mine. After fueling I placed a cap on with only one
tab holding it and the pressure from the high side (tight cap) pushed
the fuel out of the loose cap very quickly. Fortunately the cap stayed
connected, but I lost about 5 gallons in less than the 15 minutes of
flight from when I took off, figured it out, and returned to base. I
now make rechecking the caps after refueling my last step. A simple
step of just reaching up and grabbing the pitot while giving it a twist
will tell you if it's on correctly or not.
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Smythe
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 4:57 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox and Fuel Starvation
Wim,
It sounds like this actually happened to you. Right?. As I
said before, my friend left his cap off twice and I don't remember him
talking about loosing excessive fuel. Just curious.
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: Willem Huisman
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 4:18 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox and Fuel Starvation
Kitfox and Fuel starvation, happens real easily.
Not a contributor normally, but this one is important. I fly
N77LR here in Holland, after buying it from Leo in 2003.
Always check Fuel Caps carefully after Topping off.
Happened to when I bought my Kifox early on. If you screw on the
Fuelcap slightly wrong (don't latch both lips on Cap or forget it),
only one side of the fuelcap closes, rubber gasket does not seal, and
now that side is leaking air, not creating pressure inside the tank.
After take off the good side (other tank) is creating pressure,
pushing all fuel to the bad leaking side ( Now leaking fuel instade on
air in a rapid GPH).
You can notice real fast, since One tank is completely full
(the bad one) and the other side rushes empty ( the one creating air
pressure).
It takes no more as 15 Min to empty more as one tank, so hurry
and find an airport.
Wim Huisman
N77LR
Holland
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "dcsfoto" <david@kelm.com>
Just got my first Kitfox a Model III. It is 14 years old and has no header tank.
I just got a used header tank from a model IV . my manual shows the header vent
hooked to a vent line in the right tank,my right tank has no vent hookup.
Do I need a vent line on my header tank?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=60857#60857
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| Subject: | RE/MAX of Midland, Michigan - Balloon Festival |
For those of you within commuting distance, weather permitting, this
will be an even worth attending. If you've never seen the "afterglow"
you've really been missing something.
Next Fri/Sat/Sun. The best part is that it's FREE. Just bring a can of
food for the Food Pantry of Midland.
Deke
http://www.remaxofmidland.com/balloonfest.cfm
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Dave,
582 plugs should be gapped .016 to .020 . I use .018 and if you gap
at the max gap setting you will not allow any margin for wear .
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave G.
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 2:04 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: spark plugs
The spark plug gap is 0.5 mm or .02". The firing order is of course
1-2 on a two cylinder engine but in fact all plugs fire at the same time
at the top and bottom of each stroke.
----- Original Message -----
From: Glenn Horne
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 2:02 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: spark plugs
Glenn Horne here,
Can anyone on the list tell me the firing order of the 582 and the
spark plug gap? Have to see the FESDO tomorrow and need this.
Have the engine manual but don't seem to fine it in there.
GlennHorne
Suffolk, Va
Kitfox II 582.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson" <janderson412@hotmail.com>
I've been told semi synthetic is ok with 100LL? Is this correct?
From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Question on oil
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Dee,
The value in a full synthetic is the higher temps they can tolerate, the hit
is their inability to keep the lead residues in suspension. If you fly
strictly with car gas, the syntheticsynthetic should be fine. If you
occasionally use 100LL then you might want to avoid synthetics. This from
the Rotax oil recommendation bulletin. The Rotax 912 series engines use the
same oil in the engine as well as the gear box so they recommend a
motorcycle engine oil with the gear additive. If your engine is similar,
you might want to check the Rotax owners association website for info.
Lowell
----- Original Message ----- From: "Dee Young" <henrysfork1@msn.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 7:08 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Question on oil
Have been considering a change in oil. The engine is a four stroke air
cooled and manufacturer suggests using an Automotive type engine oil meeting
SAE SE grade or above. It also goes on to say MIL-L-46152B Spec. is
recommended??? I have been using Aero Shell 15W-50 since the engine was new.
Winter is coming and the Aero Shell is hard to turn the engine in the cold.
That is the reason I am considering the change. I have been looking at the
synthetics. I would very much appreciate your thoughts on this matter.
Thanks
Dee Young
N345DY Model II
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox and Fuel Starvation |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Anderson" <janderson412@hotmail.com>
Yes, I guess the speed you fly has a baring here, lot more pressure at
100kts that at 80...??
From: "Willem Huisman" <wimhuisman@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox and Fuel Starvation
Don,
It did happen to me , my Kitfox series V has Tubes on the fuelcaps creating
Airpressure inside the tanks,ensuring positive Fuelflow.
If 1 tube is (partially) occluded , the only thing happening is Uneven
pressure distribution, and uneven filling of tanks during flight.
If one cap leaks, or is missing , pressure created during level flight,
pushes Fuel from the Good Tank to the one that is leaking, emptying all your
gas.
Maybe speed , creating higher pressure could make a difference.
My Lycoming makes me fly 120MPH . I lost 10 Gallons in 15 Min.
Wim Huisman
On 9/10/06, Don Smythe <dosmythe@cox.net> wrote:
>
> Wim,
> It sounds like this actually happened to you. Right?. As I said
>before, my friend left his cap off twice and I don't remember him talking
>about loosing excessive fuel. Just curious.
>
>Don Smythe
>
>----- Original Message -----
>*From:* Willem Huisman <wimhuisman@gmail.com>
>*To:* kitfox-list@matronics.com
>*Sent:* Sunday, September 10, 2006 4:18 PM
>*Subject:* Kitfox-List: Kitfox and Fuel Starvation
>
>
>Kitfox and Fuel starvation, happens real easily.
>Not a contributor normally, but this one is important. I fly N77LR here
>in Holland, after buying it from Leo in 2003.
>
>Always check Fuel Caps carefully after Topping off.
>
>Happened to when I bought my Kifox early on. If you screw on the Fuelcap
>slightly wrong (don't latch both lips on Cap or forget it), only one side
>of the fuelcap closes, rubber gasket does not seal, and now that side is
>leaking air, not creating pressure inside the tank.
>
>After take off the good side (other tank) is creating pressure, pushing
>all fuel to the bad leaking side ( Now leaking fuel instade on air in a
>rapid GPH).
>
>You can notice real fast, since One tank is completely full (the bad
>one) and the other side rushes empty ( the one creating air pressure).
>
>
>It takes no more as 15 Min to empty more as one tank, so hurry and find an
>airport.
>
>Wim Huisman
>N77LR
>Holland
>
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>
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>
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>
>*
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>
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| Subject: | RE/MAX of Midland, Michigan - Balloon Festival |
Deke,
Is this something we would want to fly the Foxes to or is the airspace
closed around there?
Rex in Southeast Michigan
-- "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us> wrote:
For those of you within commuting distance, weather permitting, this wil
l be an even worth attending. If you've never seen the "afterglow" you'
ve really been missing something. Next Fri/Sat/Sun. The best part is t
hat it's FREE. Just bring a can of food for the Food Pantry of Midland.
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| Subject: | RE/MAX of Midland, Michigan - Balloon Festival |
Deke,
Is this something we would want to fly the Foxes to or is the airspace
closed around there?
Rex in Southeast Michigan
-- "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us> wrote:
For those of you within commuting distance, weather permitting, this wil
l be an even worth attending. If you've never seen the "afterglow" you'
ve really been missing something. Next Fri/Sat/Sun. The best part is t
hat it's FREE. Just bring a can of food for the Food Pantry of Midland.
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<html><P>Deke,</P>
<P> Is this something we would want to fly the Foxes to or is the
airspace closed around there?</P>
<P>Rex in Southeast Michigan</P>
<P><BR><BR>-- "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>&nb
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Next Fri/Sat/Sun. The best part i
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kirkhull" <kirkhull@sbcglobal.net>
Yes or the tank will not fill up with fuel properly as the air will have no
way out of the tank.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dcsfoto
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 7:59 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Header Tank
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "dcsfoto" <david@kelm.com>
Just got my first Kitfox a Model III. It is 14 years old and has no header
tank. I just got a used header tank from a model IV . my manual shows the
header vent hooked to a vent line in the right tank,my right tank has no
vent hookup.
Do I need a vent line on my header tank?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=60857#60857
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bradley M Webb" <bmwebb@cox.net>
Yes, though I refer to it as a "purge" line.
My Model 2 has the line going to an ON-OFF valve, and vented overboard. If
my lo-fuel light in my header tank ever comes on, I simply open the valve
until it goes out. Positive pressure from the tank, and suction from the aft
facing vent tube fills the header quickly.
I highly recommend a similar system to you.
Bradley
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dcsfoto
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 8:59 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Header Tank
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "dcsfoto" <david@kelm.com>
Just got my first Kitfox a Model III. It is 14 years old and has no header
tank. I just got a used header tank from a model IV . my manual shows the
header vent hooked to a vent line in the right tank,my right tank has no
vent hookup.
Do I need a vent line on my header tank?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=60857#60857
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron Liebmann" <rliebmann@comcast.net>
When I built my Model 2 back in 1991 I installed a Facet fuel pump and fuel
pressure gauge just in case....Before each days flight I open the valve
between my header vent tube and the fuel return line that goes back up to my
right wing tank and I turn on the fuel pump. That purges any & all air from
the header tank. Then, with the pump still on, I shut that valve which then
pressurizes the lines to the carbs. My engine starts are always fast since I
have 3# of fuel pressure at the start.
I would never fly without the Facet and the pressure gauge.
Ron N55KF 582/C box
> Yes, though I refer to it as a "purge" line.
>
> My Model 2 has the line going to an ON-OFF valve, and vented overboard. If
> my lo-fuel light in my header tank ever comes on, I simply open the valve
> until it goes out. Positive pressure from the tank, and suction from the
> aft
> facing vent tube fills the header quickly.
>
> I highly recommend a similar system to you.
>
> Bradley
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel starvation & Mike Harter |
For you old-timers, here's a shot of Mike & Bruce Harrington and the
Ghost at the Factory Fly In, Caldwell, Aug 25, 2001. Several sad
events in the days & weeks afterward.
Les Chambers
----- Original Message -----
From: Fox5flyer
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 7:57 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Fuel starvation & Mike Harter
Mike was a great guy. He gave me a big head start when it came time
to wire my airplane by faxing me his well done schematics. Since we
both had NSI/CAP setups it really helped me greatly. As I recall, I was
about 1 year behind him with my completion and he had about 350 hours on
his when I made my first flight. He was a great asset to the list and
I still miss him.
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Smythe
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 6:58 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox and Fuel Starvation
Deke,
I used to talk to Michael Harter every single morning on our
Government phone tie line and he never mentioned loosing any fuel.
It's too bad I can't pick up the phone and yell at him like I used to.
Don Smythe
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| Subject: | Re: 582 RPM Variation |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
At 04:35 AM 9/10/2006, you wrote:
> I always referred to my problem as "surging". What was happening was, I
>would get up to about 4500 RPM's and the sleeve would slip. That caused the
>prop to unload and the engine would rev to the outer limits. As soon as
>this would happen, there would be a great amount of heat developed in the
>sleeve and it would seize then the prop would be back in the picture and
>RPM's would settle out. It was intermittent and in short burst. Appeared
>to be surging.
Thanks Don. This is definitely not my problem. My RPM's just seem to
wander. Also Bob Robertson torqued the C-box when he put on the clutch and
broke in the motor. I'm sure he got it right.
Thanks anyway, though, as it's good information.
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: 582 RPM Variation |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
At 04:39 AM 9/10/2006, you wrote:
>Will the engine do the same at 5400 RPM, and at 6200 RPM?? If the
>ignition "pick up" plate is become loose, this RPM fluctuating will occurs
>(more or less) in the whole operating band.
I think it's everywhere.
>Also, -since your AC is relatively new, is this something that shows up
>all that sudden, or is this a problem that's been there since day one?
I never notice a change. I think it's operated the same since I first
started it.
>Try to isolate if this is fuel, ignition or prop. releated.
I will. Thanks Torgeir.
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" <FLIER@sbcglobal.net>
The header has to vent to fill properly. You'll need
a vent.
Regards,
Ted
--- Original Message ---
From: "dcsfoto" <david@kelm.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Header Tank
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "dcsfoto"
<david@kelm.com>
>
>Just got my first Kitfox a Model III. It is 14 years
old and has no header tank. I just got a used header
tank from a model IV . my manual shows the header
vent hooked to a vent line in the right tank,my right
tank has no vent hookup.
>Do I need a vent line on my header tank?
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?
p=60857#60857
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
I agree, the header vent is essential.
I haven't done this, but it is an idea. You could "T"
off of the upper tank sight gauge port to a vent line
from the header, thus avoiding having to drill and lay
up a new tank port. Takes a little plumbing, but
should be easier???
Anyone think of a significant problem with this
approach? It is past my bedtime, by a few years. ;-)
Kurt S.
--- dcsfoto <david@kelm.com> wrote:
> Just got my first Kitfox a Model III. It is 14 years
> old and has no header tank. I just got a used header
> tank from a model IV . my manual shows the header
> vent hooked to a vent line in the right tank,my
> right tank has no vent hookup.
> Do I need a vent line on my header tank?
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